Game 77: Yankees vs. Brewers
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Jun 28, 2011 
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YANKEES (45-31)
Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Russell Martin C
Eduardo Nunez SS
RHP Freddy Garcia (6-6, 3.30)
Garcia vs. Brewers
BREWERS (44-35)
Rickie Weeks 2B
Nyjer Morgan CF
Ryan Braun LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Casey McGehee 3B
Corey Hart RF
Mat Gamel DH
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Jonathan Lucroy C
RHP Zack Greinke (7-2, 4.77)
Greinke vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES Network / MLB Network
WEATHER: Pretty nice night here at Yankee Stadium. Little bit of a breeze blowing from right to left.
UMPIRES: HP Fieldin Culbreth, 1B Gary Cederstrom, 2B Adrian Johnson, 3B Alan Porter
ALL-STAR NUMBERS: Dave Robertson has a 1.15 ERA, the second lowest among all Major League pitchers with at least 30 innings pitches. Only Cleveland’s Rafael Perez (1.13) has a lower ERA. Robertson is averaging 1.6 strikeouts per inning.
SERIES WINS: The Yankees have won each of their past five series since June 10, going 12-4 in that stretch immediately after being swept at home by Boston. In those 16 games, the Yankees have averaged 5.81 runs and 9.81 hits. The pitching staff has a 3.29 ERA in that span.
HIP HIP: In his past 17 games — since June 5 — Jorge Posada is batting .420 with four doubles, two homers, eight RBI and a .455 on-base percentage. Before that, he was hitting .169 with six doubles, six homers and 17 RBI in 44 games.
ONE AWAY: Alex Rodriguez has at least one RBI in his past six games, one game shy of his career-long streak (which he’s accomplished four times, most recently in 2007).
UPDATE, 7:17 p.m.: Garcia wiggles out of trouble in the first, stranding runners at second and third.
UPDATE, 7:21 p.m.: I’ll say this much for Nyjer Morgan: That ball off Ramiro Pena’s chest followed by the throw into the dirt by Eduardo Nunez is still the worst play I’ve ever seen in professional baseball. Morgan’s stumble might be second, but that Pena/Nunez play was kind of hilarious. Anyway, it’s 2-0 Yankees in the first.
UPDATE, 7:58 p.m.: The Yankees are clobbering Greinke already. Capped by Nick Swisher’s three-run homer, the Yankees have scored five runs in the second inning and already have a 7-0 lead.
UPDATE, 8:08 p.m.: Greinke didn’t even come out for the third inning. The Brewers are already into their bullpen. This would be a good spot for Sergio Mitre, no?
UPDATE, 8:30 p.m.: As usual, terrific job by the scoreboard crew, showing a clip from Major League — “Juuuuuust a bit outside” — then cutting to Bob Uecker in the Brewers broadcast booth.
Meanwhile, the Brewers scratched out two runs in the fourth. Yankees now leading 7-2.
UPDATE, 9:53 p.m.: With an 11-2 Yankees lead, the Brewers have pulled Fielder and Weeks. It’s a blowout, and the Brewers are waved a white flag here in the seventh inning. The Yankees meanwhile, have Dickerson ready to hit for Granderson.
Go Freddy! Go Cliff Lee ! (I hate saying that)
Let’s go Yankees ! ! ! Take Greinke to the woodshed !
I hope both Lee and Beckett get hammered and the Phillies win in the 18th inning.
There are deals to be made.
You can get this right handed power hitter right now who is the active NL assists leader in LF.
Who is he???
Blake- I know you were thinking of him. Of course longevity has played a part in the # assists. It’s Carlos Lee!
Vineyard,
I don’t want to sign Liriano to a 10 year contract…..I just want to get him short term if its a fair price.
F***! Not Fieldin Culbreth! F’ing worthless umpire.
Trader,
El Cabillo! Eh….that would be a lot of cash to take on for a guy well past his prime.. He’s owed 19 million next year too….
5 pitch 1st inning for Lee
Jesus. I knew from the beginning that you couldn’t depend on Garcia. He’s already given up a hit.
Blake:
Gotcha, the rub their is a ‘fair’ price. Everyone seems to hold up The Yankees for more than players are worth. I responded to you on the prior thread.
vineyard,
its a fair point….who knows what they would ask for him but I just don’t see teams giving a whole lot for him…..we’ll find out soon enough because I do think he will be traded before July 31
If Cliff Lee is on, he’s going to tear through that Sox lineup. A guy like him can pitch around Gonzalez AND Youkilis with McDonald and Varitek batting 5th and 6th
Good job getting out of jam.
phew
Great job by Freddy doing what he does…..using hitters aggresiveness against them.
Hit , Hit batter, Wild pitch, Hanging sliders, Strikeout. I think I better close my eyes. Don’t know if I can take much more of this!! LOL
Greinke can’t pitch in NY!
We’ve seen Garcia struggle a bit in the first inning before. He has so many offspeed pitches that it takes a little while to figure out what’s working and what’s not, and where he has to make adjustments. When he gets through the first couple innings unscathed, he generally rolls through the rest of the game.
If he doesn’t get shelled early, there’s a good chance Garcia’s going to give you a quality start. The stats show that last year as well with the White Sox.
Yankees will now score this inning!!
I’ll take it…
wow what was that…..
We’ll take it.
will take it
247 BA makes me cringe……
nice job Tex…..that’s all we needed.
If I were Greinke I’m coming back into the dugout a pullng a Zambrano on Morgan. One needs to release hostility!!
nice hitting by alex…just slapped it..
Greinke read my lips- F Bomb
a shift for a righty…..that’s why you don’t do it….especially on a guy that can hit the ball the other way…..that was strange.
blake June 28th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Agreed. They should try their best to move him and get something for him. (Before his arm falls off)
Normally I hate those triples that are fielding mistakes, but if it gets Grandy a hit, I’m good.
great first inning by the yanks
I read somewhere that Greinke doesn’t talk to his teammates. That guy would never survive New York.
Questionable strikes
If my teammates played defense like that behind me when I was pitching, I wouldn’t talk to them either.
Despite the Brewers looking like the three stooges, they will be one of the last two teams standing the the National League (the Phillies being the other)
Who leads the Yankees this year with RISP and 2 outs?
I knew the Yankees would crush Greinke. He’s not long for this game.
banuelos has 3 K’s through 2 IP’s. no score in that game.
Good one, pat.
it’s fun watching hitters jump out in front of Freddy’s pitches and hit pop up after pop up
Morgan slipped but he didn’t track that ball correctly from the start.
Dom Brown just took Beckett deep 2-0 Phillies
Freddy !
Better inning from Freddie!
I forgot the Dodgers still owed Jones 11 million. No wonder he’s always smiling
I told you that garcia was aces, A CY Old candidate.
Garcia makes me really nervous when he pitches – so far so good keeping them off balance. It’s all about command with him and not making too many mistakes in the zone.
Liriano had surgery on his elbow, not shoulder, but he did have shoulder pain this year the twins blamed on Liriano not doing his offseason workouts. I’d trade for him and pray his elbow holds up until after the PS and go into the next year with my fingers crossed. Though any shoulder discomfort can be worrying.
UGH!!! Why can’t Nunez try working for walks?
Any of us would trade for him and keep our fingers crossed Jerk, the question is, what do you trade for him?
UGH!!! Why can’t Nunez try working for walks?
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If he did and added that dimension to his game it would make him a really great player. Good advice.
Brewers have a lot of beef at 1st and 3rd!.
hit Brett….
is it just me or are the yankees back to grinding out at bats? seems to me that the starters are not going as deep into games?
it’s a step in the right direction
good AB by Gardner so far
Montero is 0-1 but has thrown out a base stealer. He has taken two fouls to the mask so far, though.
Pretty classic PA by Gardner
great AB
Great AB by Gardner
Way to work the count. Don’t hit your hitting instructor.
Now double steal get him rattled
that’s twice Grandy has fouled it off his legs tonight
“is it just me or are the yankees back to grinding out at bats?”
I think with Swisher and Posada getting hot, the lineup is more lengthened. There’s no dead bat in the lineup anymore (maybe Martin?) so opposing pitchers have a tougher time working through it.
I don’t really see Gardner, Granderson, Tex, Arod, or Cano doing anything differently as far as their approach in ABs
let’s get a double steal here
Double steal
NICE
small ball
Yankees hit: .255 .336 .426 .762 in MAY
.272 .358 .449 .807 in June!
Same kind of patience, but the improved batting average means less outs which means more PAs which means more pitches thrown for the opposition. And I think maybe with Swisher/Posada/Gardner improving, they are having better PAs which leads to more pitches thrown.
Heads up double steal produces another run.
Tex rolled over that pitch so obviously on purpose. It’s weird how sac flies don’t affect your AVG but you still get an 0-fer for a “sac groundout”
i’m calling it. arod will hit the most rbi’s in the al this year
49 pitches already!
would have liked for Alex to go the other way with that strike. But walk is good.
Christ, is it still just the second inning?
Clutch hit.
Excellent
Nice way to hit with RISP!
rollins just stole a base on a pitchout. varitek has a terrible arm
Swishalicious!!!
Also excellent
Swisher is sooo hot
Poor Greinke in New York
It’s safe to say, Greinke can’t handle NY.. Nice smack Swish!!!
SWiSHAAAA
Greinke better stick to the NL
I almost feel sorry for Greinke
Swisher’s up to 10 homers already?
Sheesh
2 innings, 7 runs, 55 pitches….that’s offense, very impressive!
Greinke AKA Kenny Rogers.
56 pitches in 2 innings. the Yankees are doing well tonight with RISP and 2 outs.
Jerkface-
Who leads the Yankees with RISP and 2 outs?
Banuelos through 3 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 5 strikeouts
It’s a good thing Greinke doesn’t pitch in NY, he would be torn to shreds by the media & fans..
NEVER underestimate the power of the Lohud Reverse Curse!
Nice play ARod.
Praying for the rapture,
‘Cause it’s stranger getting stranger
And everything’s contagious
It’s the modern middle ages
I don’t want to see this place if the Yankees start losing once Jeter returns. It won’t be pretty.
lol Cliff Lee’s batting AVG is over 100 points higher than the Red Sox #5 hitter today
Who leads the Yankees with RISP and 2 outs?
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Nunez: .400 .500 .700 1.200
tex: .286 .444 .476 .921
cano: .276 .300 .552 .852
arod: .273 .407 .500 .907
WOODSHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow, that was quick… 2 innings
freddy has been solid to start this game. let’s see if he can go 7
Whats interesting about this interleague play tangent Michael Kay is on, the Yankees in the 2000s weren’t as good as the Rangers/Red Sox in Interleague. I forget where the cutoff was, but the Red Sox have really gotten fat off interleague play recently, where as the Yankees were merely pretty good.
No kidding.
Props to Russell Martin for using Ghostwriter by Rjd2 as his walkup music.
DocTodd June 28th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
ROFLMAO ! ! ! But remember he can pitch on the big stage in the bright lights.
No props to Russell Martin for being an automatic out these days.
Nunez took a walk!! yes
Gardner keeps piling up those GMRs! 2 more tonight so far.
I love Jeter, he’s been a great Yankee, but they really are not missing him…..
man milwaukee did not exactly help out grienke. the joke triple, the arod bleeder with the stupid alignment, the FC at 3rd.
martin is a auto out right now, lucky they did not sign him to a 3 year deal after 50 ab’s like our shrewd talent evaluators on this site wanted…
“I love Jeter, he’s been a great Yankee, but they really are not missing him…..”
On the field? No. But emotionally, I’m sure he is missed.
Kay is a complete idiot. Talking about Citifield and Comerica as being ‘triples ballparks’. It’s not the ball park, it’s where the hitter hits the ball and the circumstances after the hit ( off the wall, past the OF’er, an errant throw) as well as the speed of the runner and his base running abilities. Nitwit, Mo was right on with his comment about his head.
Doc,
This days Jeter is not missed, but career Jeter is
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Keep the bad vibes going people. I smell a Yankee blowout.
Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
In a nutshell are you saying the Yankees will be taking Greinke to the woodshed ? ?
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Not to too toot my own horn but….
Freddy Garcia vs the Red Sox = 11.4 ERA
Freddy Garcia vs Everyone Else = 2.52 ERA
“man milwaukee did not exactly help out grienke. the joke triple, the arod bleeder with the stupid alignment, the FC at 3rd.”
I have no sympathy for him. He begged to get out of KC. This is what he wanted.
martin is a auto out right now, lucky they did not sign him to a 3 year deal after 50 ab’s like our shrewd talent evaluators on this site wanted…
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They have him under control for next year whether Martin likes it or not
Nunez has 10 steals in 110PA
not bad at all
Jeter is a million ties more sure handed than Nunez, but the kid can hit and run….nice to have on the team ..
This nonsense about not stealing when you have a big lead is crap. It’s the player’s job to do whatever he can do to score runs. That includes stealing bases. The Yankees don’t have to stop scoring runs just because they have 7 and MIL has none. The game could be 15-0 and I’d still be in favor of stealing bases.
They have him under control for next year whether Martin likes it or not
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JF,
Do you still see him starting next year or being a backup helping Montero through his growing pains ala Girardi to Posada?
“Jeter is a million ties more sure handed than Nunez, but the kid can hit and run….nice to have on the team ..”
Nunez could be the starting SS on a lot of other teams. The Yankees are actually ruining his career by holding on to him and having him only be a backup.
Kay is a complete idiot. Talking about Citifield and Comerica as being ‘triples ballparks’. It’s not the ball park
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Ballpark outfield configuration helps with triples a lot. Some ballparks are simply too small to facilitate having a lot of triples. If you have a spacious ballpark with weird angles it will create triples thanks to the direction the ball will move off those walls.
Its no coincidence that the same parks tend to be in the same area for triples park factor year after year. Citi has been at 1.2+ since it opened. Just like Yankee Stadium inflates home runs and deflates triples.
Martin’s ice cold right now, but he’ll heat up. He’s shown more power in one month than he did any of last year. He’s healthy, just out of it. His final numbers will be pretty decent. He’s done a great job behind the plate – can’t complain there. For the price we paid? It’s a bit frustrating, but worth it.
Bearing in mind that Tex usually doesn’t catch fire till after the All-Star Break, the fact that he has 23 homers and a .890 OPS now makes me think he’ll have a monster season when its all said and done.
And A-Rod has bounced back wonderfully. His power will come too. Cano’s better than he’s been so far.
With Swisher and Posada hitting again, this lineup is in a pretty good place. Maybe Montero will add something later, but you stick by a guy like Posada. So far he’s rewarded their trust in him.
“Do you still see him starting next year or being a backup helping Montero through his growing pains ala Girardi to Posada?”
If the Yankees don’t have Montero as their starting catcher next season, they should just trade the guy. Enough already! Either he’s the catcher of the future or he isn’t.
4 steals in this game already
I can’t believe my eyes
Do you still see him starting next year or being a backup helping Montero through his growing pains ala Girardi to Posada?
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I want Montero here now backing up so next year he COULD start. Pretty much no way he can start without some play time now. So next year I’d start out with Martin as the starter and adjust play time accordingly. Romine can step in midyear/ASB if something happens.
Damned. This team can’t even play tack-on. No wonder they can’t win.
Montero hasn’t lit up AAA, and has had some maturity issues. I’d argue he isn’t quite ready yet, and the team doesn’t have a huge need anymore.
Laura – I Bleed Blue June 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
“Do you still see him starting next year or being a backup helping Montero through his growing pains ala Girardi to Posada?”
If the Yankees don’t have Montero as their starting catcher next season, they should just trade the guy. Enough already! Either he’s the catcher of the future or he isn’t.
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OR they could break in a 22 year old catcher slowly like they did with Po.
OR they could break in a 22 year old catcher slowly like they did with Po.
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They went too slow with Posada.
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Poor Zach.
Montero is really taking a beating behind the plate tonight. At least two fould off the mask, one off of the knee and one off of the shoulder.
Unless Greineke is hurt I think the Brewers manager took him out because he figures they can score 5-6 runs against Garcia. Garcia has gotten outs but his stuff hasn’t looked that great.
Garcia has gotten outs but his stuff hasn’t looked that great.
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This sums up Garcia.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
OR they could break in a 22 year old catcher slowly like they did with Po.
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They went too slow with Posada.
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Perhaps…my real point is that it is too early to make the call whether or not he is the catcher of the future. Typical Lohud board impatience.
“OR they could break in a 22 year old catcher slowly like they did with Po.”
I think he needs to come up as a late season guy just to get a taste of the bigs.
Who said Swisher couldn’t play the outfield? That was textbook.
Garcia getting drilled this inning.
Swisher has certainly played a decent right field this year.
That was a bad Gamble. Martin continues to play good D
“Perhaps…my real point is that it is too early to make the call whether or not he is the catcher of the future. Typical Lohud board impatience.”
I’m not being impatient. I just going by what I’ve read here and other places. Everyone says he’s the next best thing since sliced bread. If that’s true, I don’t get why he’s not starting. Maybe people have overpraised him.
Who said Swisher couldn’t play the outfield?
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Swisher has always been about average in RF, his defense is underrated. Its just his goofiness leads to some plays that look bad, and thats all anyone remembers.
Held them at 2 runs, I’ll take that
Girardi should have a short leash with Garcia tonight. With his “stuff” it could be 7-5 before you know it.
Laura – I Bleed Blue June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
“OR they could break in a 22 year old catcher slowly like they did with Po.”
I think he needs to come up as a late season guy just to get a taste of the bigs.
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Apparently the professionals paid to make that decision using internal evaluations disagree.
I’m not being impatient. I just going by what I’ve read here and other places. Everyone says he’s the next best thing since sliced bread. If that’s true, I don’t get why he’s not starting. Maybe people have overpraised him.
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He is young still. I think he should be called up this year if only to start getting him used to the big leagues. Sooner he is up the sooner he adjusts the sooner he becomes a staple of the lineup. The longer that is delayed the longer before he can really be a shot in the arm for the team. You play him now as a backup and maybe that pays off next year when he is called to step in and be a major contributor. With the age and streakiness of the players on this team it just makes sense.
LMAO…Cliff Lee opposite field drive to warning track to score runner from 3rd…3-0 Phillies
Beckett surrenders a sac fly to Cliff Lee. 3-0 Phils.
And he has a no hitter after 5
Laura–
As long as I can remember, Yankee prospects have always been over-hyped. It’s just good practice to do so, in order to get them as valuable as possible for trades.
Funny. Swisher missing the cutoff man actually led to an out. I don’t think Gamel tries for second with a less wild throw.
NEVER underestimate the power of the Lohud Reverse Curse!
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Now 7-2!! Hope I didnt jinx the reverse curse by premature tooting.
JF–
I would agree if his future role was simply DH…however, I really think Cashman and his crew believe that he has a chance to catch, and they want to give him as much time as possible to prepare for the big jump to the majors as a catcher. Letting him play everyday at SWB continues his development.
He’ll get his cup of coffee in September.
The Brewers are really advanced with shifts.
When Alex goes the other way it’s for power and in the air.
It’s the same thing with AGon. When he hits groundballs they are almost always pulled, despite being a hitter with oppo skills.
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
NEVER underestimate the power of the Lohud Reverse Curse!
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Now 7-2!! Hope I didnt jinx the reverse curse by premature tooting.
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You may have insulted the Lohud gods.
Swisher with the very loud F bomb.
Before or after July 31 on a Montero callup?
I say after.
BoJo..like Bye Bye Balboni, and Boom Boom Hensley Muelens?
Guess I’m not the only one who heard that F bomb from swish… Lucky those kids in the front row are New Yorkers.
If Montero isn’t called up this year it’s going to hurt Romine. Even Newman said that Romine should be in AAA right now but he can’t because Montero is there. Eventually Romine has to be moved up and can’t have Montero blocking him.
Banuelos, 5 innings, 5 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts, 1 homer allowed. 4 ground outs, 4 fly outs
Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Poor Zach.
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Imagine if we traded Montero for him and he came up with a performance like this one. He would never get out of his own locker.
DocTodd June 28th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
BoJo..like Bye Bye Balboni, and Boom Boom Hensley Muelens?
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We could probably list 20 without even sweating.
Someone should start warming up. Garcia isn’t fooling anyone the last 2 innings…
Can’t keep prospects down forever, the pipeline has to produce. Theres pretty much no way to keep Montero in the minors next year where it makes sense for the SYSTEM and if he is going to suddenly learn how to do it in 43 or less games to the end of the year then I think he can learn the same in the majors catching half as much in the MAJORS with 4 big time catchers helping him.
Are we sure the Yankees aren’t holding Montero so that they can include him in a trade at the deadline?
Are we sure the Yankees aren’t holding Montero so that they can include him in a trade at the deadline?
Word
Garcia’s margin for error is just so small.
85 games left, you could match Montero in 30 of them and he is only catching 13 less than he would in AAA.
Garcia gets 1 screaming liner back to him every game.
Someone should start warming up. Garcia isn’t fooling anyone the last 2 innings…
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Relax dude.
Just sit back and let The Chief work.
OUCH. Mets lead Detroit, 13-0 in the 5th inning
Garcia’s margin for error is just so small.
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LOL
I really hope they stop trading prospects so easily. The pitchers they’ve given away recently, like Kennedy, Melancon, and Coke, are guys the team could have used. Position player wise, I wish they hadn’t traded Tabata, but there isn’t really a spot for him right now. Jackson for Granderson I think has been a good swap. Hopefully Aroldys Vizcaino doesn’t become a dominant starter.
Fielder looks like he weighs more than CC.
# SoS June 28th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Before or after July 31 on a Montero callup?
I say after.
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neither…he will be traded
Honestly I don’t think Cashman would hestitate to trade Montero if he could get a player that he likes. I really think he sees him as a trade chip and nothing more. I obviously don’t think he would trade him for a #4 pitcher but if he could get a good #2 I definitely think Montero is gone. I don’t think the Yanks see a spot for him, especially after Cash said he wouldn’t bring him up to DH.
“Are we sure the Yankees aren’t holding Montero so that they can include him in a trade at the deadline?”
Trading him for who, exactly? They aren’t getting Felix.
“OUCH. Mets lead Detroit, 13-0 in the 5th inning”
I think Porcello started that game. Talk about prospects not panning out.
Garcia just took Braun to school.
Well, save the screaming liner, Garcia did a decent job pitching around that.
More runs!
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
UGH!!! Why can’t Nunez try working for walks?
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If he did and added that dimension to his game it would make him a really great player. Good advice.
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JOKE OF THE DAY !!!
LMAO !!! So, the guy leading the team in errors and hitting around .250 only needs to walk a little and he’s gonna be a great player ? In a hundred AB’s this year he’s oh soooo close to greatness ???
Your Jeter hatred is showing just a hair !!! All through Yankee land, Jeter is still considered the best all around SS they have in the system. Remember, no one his age has hit .300 since Appling in the 40′s. And he still plays an acceptable, if not better SS, and is one of the smarter players the Yanks have had in a long time.
I’m all for Nunez and hope he continues to get better. He has the tools, but is quite far off from being even considered a good player at this level. Not even a starter yet.
Advice for you : Don’t get too excited just yet !!!
Is this guy really sitting at yankee stadium with cheese on his head??!?!?! You have to be kidding me.
# Chris W June 28th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
“Are we sure the Yankees aren’t holding Montero so that they can include him in a trade at the deadline?”
Trading him for who, exactly? They aren’t getting Felix.
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want the SP in Fla and they want a young catcher
4 NYY, you’re so bizarre.
“want the SP in Fla and they want a young catcher”
Josh Johnson is hurt. And Anibal is an injury risk. Nolasco has regressed badly.
I have no idea what will happen with Montero; trade or no trade. But, I think this scenario is plausible:
1. The Yankees have concluded that Montero won’t be a very good major league catcher and that his bat will be very good — but not good enough to keep him if the right player is available.
2. They feel his value right now as a trade chip is very high and that bringing him up can only result in it diminishing if he underperforms.
3. They feel that with Martin, Romine, Sanchez, Murphy and Cervelli that Montero won’t be missed.
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
4 NYY, you’re so bizarre.
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The truth really gets to you doesn’t it ?
Sanchez is also a free agent in a year. Not worth Montero.
It would be nice to score some more runs
The truth really gets to you doesn’t it ?
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You just spent all game writing up a rant about Derek Jeter to an innocuous comment I made regarding Nunez which has nothing to do with Jeter. EVERY player should add plate discipline to their bag of tools.
The entire world doesn’t revolve around Jeter, as much as he wishes it would.
Banuelos out after 5 innings. 1-1 tie. Venditte pitching
# Chris W June 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“want the SP in Fla and they want a young catcher”
Josh Johnson is hurt. And Anibal is an injury risk. Nolasco has regressed badly.
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he threw almost 200 innings last year and on pace for 200 this year
You call that a JOKE OF THE DAY?
Not one blonde was even mentioned….
Any idea how many pitches Manny threw?
4NYY you are entitled to your opinion and in this case I think you are right. It’s a really ludicrous contention that if Nunez walked more, that he would be a “really great player”.
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Sanchez is also a free agent in a year. Not worth Montero.
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Montero is a prospect nothing else….has never faced pitching in a major league game
Montero is a prospect nothing else….has never faced pitching in a major league game
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So is any player before they make the majors, and many of them wouldn’t be traded for an NL pitcher under control for 1 year.
“he threw almost 200 innings last year and on pace for 200 this year”
Like Jerkface said, he’s a free agent likely to command a massive salary. I’m not convinced.
wcyf,
i think if the yankees though that montero couldn’t hack it at catcher, they would have him playing 1st in aaa and tell him to just concentrate on the bat. in fact, i would think they would have made that decision in aa. my guess is that they think he’ll be posada-esque and maybe shift him over to 1b when tex’s contract is out.
cashman said he was better than cervelli, effectively ruining trade value for francisco. they may let him start hitting and then call him up. or call him up if posada goes cold again
It’s a really ludicrous contention that if Nunez walked more, that he would be a “really great player”.
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Please find me all the short stops that get on base with a bit of power and a lot of speed that are currently playing baseball tia
If it’s Anibal straight up for Montero, I would think long and hard. But the Marlins will want more than that.
I don’t think Sanchez is a FA in 12
Too bad the Dodgers don’t have to have a garage sale
# Chris W June 28th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
If it’s Anibal straight up for Montero, I would think long and hard. But the Marlins will want more than that.
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yes they would
Maybe if Sanchez was a lefty.
Can’t trade for Anibal with Montero.
Use the pitching depth to get him or try selling them on Nunez.
I don’t think Sanchez is a FA in 12
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Free Agent after next year. Been in the majors since 2006.
That’s the thing. I’d trade Betances and somebody else for Montero. Like for like. But with an aging offense, I want Jesus’ bat around.
kd June 28th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
wcyf, i think if the yankees though that montero couldn’t hack it at catcher, they would have him playing 1st in aaa and tell him to just concentrate on the bat. in fact, i would think they would have made that decision in aa. my guess is that they think he’ll be posada-esque and maybe shift him over to 1b when tex’s contract is out.
cashman said he was better than cervelli, effectively ruining trade value for francisco. they may let him start hitting and then call him up. or call him up if posada goes cold again
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Good points. My post was speculative but I do think think plausible. The decision as to his catching ability may not have been made until recently. If they keep him I envision letting him work through things this year in SWB. He is up with the Yankees in 2012 backing up Martin and getting some at bats at DH.
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
I don’t think Sanchez is a FA in 12
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Free Agent after next year. Been in the majors since 2006.
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OK
Good throw by Swisher.
Swisher with the defense tonight!!
Swisher with everything tonight. Star of the game.
Another professional QUALITY start by Garcia.
Swish is really playing very good
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
The truth really gets to you doesn’t it ?
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You just spent all game writing up a rant about Derek Jeter to an innocuous comment I made regarding Nunez which has nothing to do with Jeter. EVERY player should add plate discipline to their bag of tools.
The entire world doesn’t revolve around Jeter, as much as he wishes it would.
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Just how do you know he thinks that way ? ( you couldn’t have possibly just made that up, could you? )
You’ve been ranting on Jeter the whole time he’s been out. What an idiot to do that !!!
Try denying that ! Innocent comment ? FUNNY !
And now that the team avg. is getting better, ( as I said was needed ) they have scored more and improved in just about all facets offensively, not just more ” PA’s.
Can’t wait till you’re boss of the Yanks, you’ll lead off with Tom Sabermetric !
SoS June 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
I never wanted him. Head case imo.
# Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Maybe if Sanchez was a lefty.
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would be nice
Banuelos with 93 pitches in his 5 innings.
Banuelos with 93 pitches in his 5 innings.
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Thanks
4 NYY June 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
I always enjoy a laugh here. Thanks.
he could fall apart tonight but how good is Lee
7.0 IP 81 pitch count 1 hit 0 runs
Gb,
Not very economical again
TEX MESSAGE!!
Another June homer by Tex…wait until he gets hot!
Just how do you know he thinks that way ? ( you couldn’t have possibly just made that up, could you? )
You’ve been ranting on Jeter the whole time he’s been out. What an idiot to do that !!!
Try denying that ! Innocent comment ? FUNNY !
And now that the team avg. is getting better, ( as I said was needed ) they have scored more and improved in just about all facets offensively, not just more ” PA’s.
Can’t wait till you’re boss of the Yanks, you’ll lead off with Tom Sabermetric !
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This is so crazy and hilarious. I want to respond point by point, but its too much. First of all, that jeter comment is obviously a joke designed to needle you. I have no idea what Jeter is thinking. I hope its about improving his hitting when he is healthy. Second, show me where I have been ‘ranting’ on Jeter since he has been out. Third, yes an innocent comment in response to GB7′s stupid comment. Third, the Yankees have been scoring LESS runs despite hitting 20 points higher than in April when they slugged .480 and hit .250.
Fourth, who is Tom Sabermetric? If he had a huge on base I’d lead off with him.
Whatever happens with Montero, at least he’s worth something. I’m far from the world’s biggest Cashman fan, but at least under his reign we have players like Montero, Banuelos and Betances and more in our system who have value. Before Cashman took charge in 2006 I think it was, the Yankees minor league player development was horrendous.
Bad math on my point by point, thirds in there twice. Oh well, points stand.
The stats
Yankees in June, 5.18 runs per game (not counting today which will help!)
Yankees in April, 5.58 runs per game
West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Everything ? ? Does that include after the game ?
They should take that kid out to protect his arm///
24 Home runs
Wow
VY I’m sure Swish will let you know with a tweet.
Tex is the king of hitting HRs when we are big by a lot. Not killing him for it because he has been good with RISP generally, but just saying…
4 NYY June 28th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
‘lead off with Tom Sabermetric’……………
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Is he in Rookie Ball or Single A ?
‘who is Tom Sabermetric?’
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IT’S YOU ! ! !
IT’S YOU ! ! !
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Player owners aren’t allowed by MLB. So I can’t be the owner / GM and then lead myself off. Sorry.
I would sign myself to a bazillion dollar a year contract then DFA myself so I dont have to actually play while collecting my huge paychecks.
Yanks78 June 28th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Tex is the king of hitting HRs when we are big by a lot. Not killing him for it because he has been good with RISP generally, but just saying…
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You are right and that’s a good example as to why why relying too much on statistics to make judgments makes little sense.
Lee 8 innings …2 hits ….no runs
Scarcely believing that Tex is the major league HR leader I had to look up Jose Bautista: .259 .394 .400 .794 in june. From the way he was going it seemed like he’d hit 100. Only 3 HRs all month.
Teix is the new Alex…
You are right and that’s a good example as to why why relying too much on statistics to make judgments makes little sense.
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Or we could look at the stats and realize that relying on memory is stupid. He has 3 Hrs (4 now) with a lead > 4 runs
Tie game: .347 .500 .773 1.273 10 HRs
Within 1: .261 .407 .572 .979 3 HRs
Within 2: .236 .364 .500 .864 1 HR
Within 3: .239 .355 .536 .891 6 HRs
Gee who do I want up to bat with the game tied… maybe the guy with the 1.273 OPS! Good players will get hits in garbage time, probably because they helped make it garbage time by being good players
Swisher really needs to reel in those F bombs.
Swisher really needs to reel in those F bombs.
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I’m surprised nobody drops any deadwood staples. I wonder if the umps would run players for especially atrocious language,.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
FTW
Think Texeria hits 50 this season ????
Laura – I Bleed Blue June 28th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Swisher really needs to reel in those F bombs.
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Tweet him and let him know your opinion.
Hip Hip
Stats have a factual bias.
Think Texeria hits 50 this season ????
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He is going to be over 25 by the ASB I think, so man it has to be a posibility!
Pat,
Last night Bobby Valentine
bet that he would get 52 or 54
I think we can call off the hounds now.
jenks hitting 98 on the gun
Your problem is two fold Jerkface. First of all you never admit when you are wrong. Today is a perfect example, your comment about Nunez was really dumb and instead of just owning up to that, you try to defend the indefensible. Second of all, your obsession with statistics blinds you to having a feel for the game. A friend of mine who is a pilot says the worst pilots he knows are those that depend too much on their instruments and charts and don’t allow their instincts and experience to guide them. Same concept.
joeman June 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
jenks hitting 98 on the gun
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And probably 320 on the scales….
# BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
joeman June 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
jenks hitting 98 on the gun
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And probably 320 on the scales….
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could be close
Is your feel for the game what led you to believe that Teixeira hits most of his HRs in garbage time?
Almost at the 1/2 way point……
“Tweet him and let him know your opinion.”
I actually don’t have a problem with the F word; it’s part of my vocabulary. That being said, that home plate mic is apparently extremely sensitive and I can see people complaining to the team about Swisher’s language. A team that won’t let you have long hair or a beard probably doesn’t want you cursing up a storm either. I’m surprised they haven’t made AJ cover up his tattoos.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Is your feel for the game what led you to believe that Teixeira hits most of his HRs in garbage time?
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I never made that statement. Why do you lie?
You’ve also yet to find me the SS’s that get on base, have speed and power, in baseball right now. Nunez hits for a high average and doesn’t walk alot, if he did walk more he would be really great. You don’t get that kind of production out of short stop. You understand positional scarcity right? Sorry that you backed a dumb dumb in an attempt to try and ‘get me’ or whatever and now you look bad
Surprising to see garcia out this soon, but, Noesi needs work
This could go either way. Garcia only at 76 pitches so why take him out? Then again, you’ve got a 9 run lead, why leave him in?
I never made that statement. Why do you lie?
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Tex is the king of hitting HRs when we are big by a lot. Not killing him for it because he has been good with RISP generally, but just saying…
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You are right and that’s a good example as to why why relying too much on statistics to make judgments makes little sense.
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He is ‘right’ that Tex is ‘the king of hitting HRs when we are big by a lot [sic]‘? Your feel for the game at work!
I’m surprised they haven’t made AJ cover up his tattoos.
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Maybe those tattoos that you see covered up some really obscene ones.
It could be the 28 minute last half inning.
When you take jabs at statistics, you should probably make sure the statistics back your jab. Ironic I know.
Garcia has been sitting for over 30 minutes.
It’s good to get Noesi back out there asap after his poor outing last time. Let him get his confidence back.
“Maybe those tattoos that you see covered up some really obscene ones”
LOL! Probably.
luis June 28th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Gb,
Not very economical again
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Not many deep counts, but, a lot of fouls. Gotta get the right handers out a little easier.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
FTW
cliff lee going for third consecutive..CG that guy is a beast!!!
Lee coming out to pitch the 9th..looking for the CG shutout
That’s the one bad thing about Old Timer’s Day – it really showcases how out of shape baseball players get once they leave the game.
Tino looked like he was swinging in slow motion.
Not your finest moment Jerkface. You sure like commenting on everyone else’s posts, but can’t handle it when you get called out on your inane crap can you?
If Nunez walked more he would be a really great player? Really now. Really great? Just as dumb as I’ve ever seen. Amazing.
lee is just throwing darts..
# Laura – I Bleed Blue June 28th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
That’s the one bad thing about Old Timer’s Day – it really showcases how out of shape baseball players get once they leave the game.
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lot of players aren’t in great shape even while they are playing
If Nunez walked more he would be a really great player?
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Yea, the best player EVER. cost controlled high contact, speedy, powerful, high on base short stops don’t grow on trees! Shouldn’t your feel for the game recognize that? Or is it too busy reconciling Garcia’s start?
Not many deep counts, but, a lot of fouls. Gotta get the right handers out a little easier.
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Maybe his change up is being picked very early?
The irony is killing me.
2 hitter by Lee
Westy you’re getting manhandled, tag in Vineyard.
With Lidge, then Contreras, and now Madson on the DL, the Phillies are lucky to have Halladay, Lee and Hamels give them innings.
Can you guys stop the fighting? Its getting kind of ridiculous.
Culver is 3-5 with 2 doubles, 2 runs scored and an RBI
Noesi has to be used more or he should be in AAA starting. He has good stuff and he is being wasted in mop up duty. It would be nice if he can be used in the 6th or 7th inning in a close game otherwise he is being wasted.
Noesi should probably stop hanging his breaking balls. But he doesn’t get a lot of work. He pitches on a starters schedule without the amount of innings to go along with it.
I think Girardi probably wanted Noesi to go 2 innings, maybe 3…but he probably only goes 1 now due to throwing so many pitches.
West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
FLT
# West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Your problem is two fold Jerkface. First of all you never admit when you are wrong. Today is a perfect example, your comment about Nunez was really dumb and instead of just owning up to that, you try to defend the indefensible. Second of all, your obsession with statistics blinds you to having a feel for the game. A friend of mine who is a pilot says the worst pilots he knows are those that depend too much on their instruments and charts and don’t allow their instincts and experience to guide them. Same concept.
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He’ll NEVER understand what you said ! But, Amen !!!
The “Know it all” of baseball just needs time to figure out when he making points that it’s 1,2,3,4.
Anyway, great game tonight and as a noted announcer likes to say : “See ya!”
Nice strikeout pitch,
TB now losing 2-1 Good.
Michael Kay is from the future apparently
Do I really need to say it > Naw…………………….
Aaargh, You spoke too soon MR. Kay.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
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you called it!
Not pretty but Noesi got the job done
4 NYY June 28th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I like your style, attitude as well.
Captain Clutch June 28th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Noesi has to be used more or he should be in AAA starting. He has good stuff and he is being wasted in mop up duty. It would be nice if he can be used in the 6th or 7th inning in a close game otherwise he is being wasted.
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I don’t think he is “being wasted in mop up duty.” Girardi wants to get him work so he is sharp for high leverage situations. He has earned valuable innings with his work so far.
33 pitches in the inning, but only 8 balls. Two tough at bats. Need a long inning by NY to give his a bit of rest. Either that, or it’s “Kitty” Carlyle time. Will he face Corey “Moss” Hart?
# Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
With Lidge, then Contreras, and now Madson on the DL, the Phillies are lucky to have Halladay, Lee and Hamels give them innings.
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combine 28-12 with a 2.88 era
don’t think he is “being wasted in mop up duty.” Girardi wants to get him work so he is sharp for high leverage situations. He has earned valuable innings with his work so far.
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He has pitched 4 times in 14 days
Captain Clutch June 28th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Noesi has to be used more or he should be in AAA starting. He has good stuff and he is being wasted in mop up duty. It would be nice if he can be used in the 6th or 7th inning in a close game otherwise he is being wasted.
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“Mop up” is a ridiculously negative outlook in his role. He’s getting some work right now, but he’s a pretty good insurance with garcia, nova, and burnett. Throwing quality innings is never a waste.
joeman-
Philly starters have when I last checked, 8 CG’s
“Mop up” is a ridiculously negative outlook in his role. He’s getting some work right now, but he’s a pretty good insurance with garcia, nova, and burnett. Throwing quality innings is never a waste.
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He barely pitches and they have another long man on the roster. Why have 2 long men? I’d put Noesi above Ayala in role. On the same tier as Cory Wade. And give him regular work.
Mo
Robertson
Wade/Noesi
Ayala
Logan
Carlyle
# Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
joeman-
Philly starters have when I last checked, 8 CG’s
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any kind of offense in the playoffs
Hawkins was a great Yankee. It’s nice to see him….
can’t believe Hamels is only 27..seems like he’s been around for a long while
If being humiliated by your stupidity is to your liking Jerk, party on.
I definitely see Mitre replacing Carlyle.
Hawkins was ill treated by Yankee fans.
Lee just carved up that lefty heavy Sox lineup tonight. Beckett didn’t look real sharp….ball was flat and up a lot.
Great game by the Yankees….lineup as a whole really has a nice approach at the plate right now and Garcia just did what he does best. Quality start machine…..he’s been like the perfect back end starter this year and has really pitched better than that at times.
I don’t really like how they are using Noesi either….he’s good enough to have a more prominent role or otherwise why is he even with the big club.
Here comes some obscure meaningless stat now…………………………………
Noesi is getting a taste of the major leagues what is the rush.
He barely pitches and they have another long man on the roster. Why have 2 long men? I’d put Noesi above Ayala in role. On the same tier as Cory Wade. And give him regular work.
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I’d say they want to hold on to him just in case someone hits a rough patch. Gordon, Nova, Garcia and Burnett are pitching fine but it would be shocking for any of them to go short in a game. Having a pitcher that can throw several good innings is valuable too.
Looks like the Phillies have enough offense to play the Giants again for the NL pennant. Both in top 4 in pitching ERA with Atlanta and San Diego.
# blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Lee just carved up that lefty heavy Sox lineup tonight. Beckett didn’t look real sharp….ball was flat and up a lot.
Great game by the Yankees….lineup as a whole really has a nice approach at the plate right now and Garcia just did what he does best. Quality start machine…..he’s been like the perfect back end starter this year and has really pitched better than that at times.
I don’t really like how they are using Noesi either….he’s good enough to have a more prominent role or otherwise why is he even with the big club.
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disadvantage when playing in a NL park and to boot against a LHSP with Ortiz sitting
Cory Wade makes Noesi unnecessary.
He should be down in AAA staying stretched out and developing as a starter. He’s a good prospect.
blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Lee just carved up that lefty heavy Sox lineup tonight. Beckett didn’t look real sharp….ball was flat and up a lot.\
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Sounds like the epi is wearing off.
“Noesi is getting a taste of the major leagues what is the rush.”
because he could be furthering his development pitching every 5th day at SWB if they are just going to pitch him in 11-2 games. Maybe they are planning on using him in higher leverage spots in the future and are just getting him some experience first….I don’t know.
LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Cory Wade makes Noesi unnecessary.
He should be down in AAA staying stretched out and developing as a starter. He’s a good prospect.
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Getting exposure to big league hitters is not a bad way to break in. Could list numerous examples.
“Sounds like the epi is wearing off.”
yea I don’t know….but tonight was some of the least crisp stuff he’s had this year that I’ve seen.
I’d say they want to hold on to him just in case someone hits a rough patch. Gordon, Nova, Garcia and Burnett are pitching fine but it would be shocking for any of them to go short in a game. Having a pitcher that can throw several good innings is valuable too.
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You’re right, having a pitcher that can throw several good innings is valuable, if they actually throw them. The circumstances for Noesi to come in are too specific in that scenario. The starter has to be shaky enough to take out and given up few enough runs that the game seems manageable so Noesi comes in. If not a mook like Marquez or Carlyle comes in. I just wanna see him pitch if he is up here. He has a lot of upside and isn’t really being given a fair shake to prove it.
Noesi would be the first guy from the minors to replace an injured starter and he is basically getting wasted in the pen in not even a prominent role. At least Hughes and Joba were frontline relievers in the pen.
Did anyone else hear that Hamels is having back problems…Could leave Phils with only 2 aces for play-offs.
Was not following the game for a while… Went to yahoo game day and it said kotsay batting and hawkins pitching… I was confused for a while as to whether the yanks got kotsay or did they trade for hawkins again… Then I realized it was again a stupid mistake by yahoo game day…
Braun, Fielder, and Weeks
Votto, Bruce, and Phillips
Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman
Are there any other teams in NL with 3 tougher outs than these players in NL Central.
blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
“Sounds like the epi is wearing off.”
yea I don’t know….but tonight was some of the least crisp stuff he’s had this year that I’ve seen.
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He supposedly had “flu” symptoms the last 2 starts…sounds like he is breaking down and they are hiding it.
Getting exposure to big league hitters is not a bad way to break in. Could list numerous examples.
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How is he going to break in when he barely pitches?
Are the Yankees going to hand him a rotation spot next season after throwing about 40 largely low leverage innings?
He still needs to develop as a starter and the Yankees do not have a good track record in recent years with breaking pitchers in by using them in the bullpen based on how Hughes and Joba have progressed.
Noesi is throwing 50+ pitches today, he isn’t getting high leverage innings any time soon he is gonna be on the shelf for 4 days.
Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Here comes some obscure meaningless stat now………………
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LMAO ! Your style “ain’t exactly hay” my friend !!! Gotta go now. Again, LMAO
Noesi has had a real workout in these two innings, but, he’s not getting hammered and he’s not wild. 48 pitches and 36 strikes.
The Sox need Beckett to be dominant pretty badly….they don’t have the depth to cover for him if he isn’t.
Is LMAO the West Coast Yankee Fan code for his alternate personalities?
# BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Did anyone else hear that Hamels is having back problems…Could leave Phils with only 2 aces for play-offs.
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last start on the 25th they let him pitch 8 innings….and hasn’t missed a start this year from what I see
GB – Kitty Carlyle? Moss Hart? You’re starting to sound like a real New Yorker….
Yea I don’t really get what they are doing….they bring him in to throw 50 meaningless pitches and now he can’t pitch for a few days. That’s not how they used Aceves if that’s what they are going for….
4 NYY June 28th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Later gator !
# blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
The Sox need Beckett to be dominant pretty badly….they don’t have the depth to cover for him if he isn’t.
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Bojo-
I think Hamels had back spasms in his June 15th start. Left after the 7th inning
Pitching Thursday
Noesi started last season in A+ ball.
He could have really benefited this season from spending a year in AAA and maybe making some spot starts for the Yanks.
He also could have built up his trade value which benefits the Yankess as well.
# Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Bojo-
I think Hamels had back spasms in his June 15th start. Left after the 7th inning
Pitching Thursday
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I just looked quick you could be right
Noesi is pitching enough. That’s the role they see him in right now, again, what the club needs takes precedence over any individual player’s development.
LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Getting exposure to big league hitters is not a bad way to break in. Could list numerous examples.
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How is he going to break in when he barely pitches?
Are the Yankees going to hand him a rotation spot next season after throwing about 40 largely low leverage innings?
He still needs to develop as a starter and the Yankees do not have a good track record in recent years with breaking pitchers in by using them in the bullpen based on how Hughes and Joba have progressed.
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Noesi is just another prospect amongst many pitchers that are coming up. He’ll be used to help the team win now, and get exposure to big leagues. If he has to be sent back next year to get more time or if he is traded is really not as important to the team as him helping them win now.
Again, this is part of the strategy of developing pitching depth….no one player is more important than winning. They are interchangeable parts.
All anyone did when complain about Mitre and Gaudin when they were in NY and now people want Mitre back. I’ve seen enough of him.
Noesi is pitching enough. That’s the role they see him in right now, again, what the club needs takes precedence over any individual player’s development.
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Anyone can pitch 2 innings in an 11-2 game, not anyone can make spot starts effectively or have rotational upside.
He also could have built up his trade value which benefits the Yankess as well.
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I don’t think his trade value has been negatively effected as more teams are actually seeing him right now and he’s showing he can be effective in the majors.
Have the Yankees ever won by 9 or more runs yet been out-hit by their opponent?
S Carolina might win CWS two years in a row..tough to do
Hamels pitched seven-plus innings, allowing just three hits and a walk in the 9-1 victory over the Florida Marlins at the Bank on Tuesday night. After giving up two hits and a run in the first inning, the lefty retired the next 17 he faced in which he allowed just three fair balls to go past the infield.
However, the strong winds and sub-seasonal temperatures mixed with the long innings in the dugout brought on by the Phillies’ offensive surge ended Hamels’ night prematurely. After walking Wes Helms to start the eighth inning, Hamels left the game with back tightness.
Man, have you ever heard the YES announcers suck up to anyone the way they’re sucking up to Girardi now? You’d think he was Connie Mack, Casey Stengel and Joe McCarthy all rolled up in one.
I don’t think his trade value has been negatively effected as more teams are actually seeing him right now and he’s showing he can be effective in the majors.
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It hasn’t been negatively affected. I’m talking about building up his value and making him a more valuable asset than he was coming into the season.
Yanks have no idea how to break in young starters or use young pitchers optimally
If they want to find another Aceves, find a guy in the farm who throws 4-5 pitches for strikes, with good control, who is polished.
GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
All anyone did when complain about Mitre and Gaudin when they were in NY and now people want Mitre back. I’ve seen enough of him.
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I’ve always liked him and thought he was undervalued.
Pena slowly raising his OPS to 450..
Typo–OBP
It hasn’t been negatively affected. I’m talking about building up his value and making him a more valuable asset than he was coming into the season.
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Sure, but I would still say that actually playing in the majors does more for his reputation and credibility than playing in AAA.
Noesi could be very valuable to this team as a spot starter.
The rotation carries high injury risk and I for one don’t really enjoy watching Brian Gordon make starts for this team.
Any schlub can pitch these low leverage innings.
Of the 3-Gaudin, Mitre and Moseley, Moseley has done well with the Padres with no run support.
I guess Swisher is a keeper now!!
“what the club needs takes precedence over any individual player’s development.”
it seems this is true for some players but not others…..otherwise Cervelli wouldn’t be on the team right now.
Noesi is only 24 years old. There is no rush to do anything with him. Right now, the Yankees like having him in the pen. He gives them multi-inning versatility, he can go anywhere from 1-6 innings and that’s valuable right now.
Wasn’t Gomez the “key” piece sent to the Twins in Santana deal?
There are players on the 40 man who can pitch garbage time, not many (or any) pitchers that can make a spot start. Its just a weird misallocation of resources. If they need a spot starter they’ll have to put someone on the 40. Noesi could have been starting and having lots of innings under his belt.
Failing that I’d wish he’d get more chances out of the pen than ayala/logan
Mitre is better than some of the guys they are carrying right now…..I really don’t care if they bring him back or not but he’s really not a terrible long man.
Wasn’t Gomez the “key” piece sent to the Twins in Santana deal?
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Gomez once robbed A-rod of a grand slam, so I’m sure the twins think they won that deal.
If you think that a 5 ERA and 1.4 homers every 9 innings as a yankee has value, I guess he does.
Mitre is better than Pendleton, Carslyle, Sanit, Marquez
blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
“what the club needs takes precedence over any individual player’s development.”
it seems this is true for some players but not others…..otherwise Cervelli wouldn’t be on the team right now.
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Cervelli backing up Martin seems to have worked out ok.
Tonight’s win will put the Yanks 15 games over for the first time this year….that’s a pretty good benchmark to get to before the break. 97 win pace.
Trenton box score
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_treaax_1
Gomez once robbed A-rod of a grand slam, so I’m sure the twins think they won that deal.
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As GB said earlier, now with Mauer working out at 1st, the Twins are regretting sending Wilson Ramos to the Nats for Matt Capps!!
“Cervelli backing up Martin seems to have worked out ok.”
eh….nobody has died so I guess that’s a plus…..but he hasn’t player very well.
Again, the team is 15 games over .500 and have won 13 of 17 despite numerous pitching injuries. Quibbling over minor roster details seems like a waste of time.
Cervelli backing up Martin seems to have worked out ok.
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Sub 600 OPS and no defense. The Yankees might be in first place despite Cervelli, but there is no telling how many more games they would win or lose with a better backup. Keeping bad players simply because they don’t APPEAR to be harming the effort isn’t good baseball.
Scranton got whacked, 9-2.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_noraaa_1
Freddy Garcia in the rotation seems to have worked out ok.
Again, the team is 15 games over .500 and have won 13 of 17 despite numerous pitching injuries. Quibbling over minor roster details seems like a waste of time.
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The team is really good. They are going to the playoffs. All there is to be argued about is minor quibbles and trade possibilities.
Mitre had a 3.33 Era with a 1.093 WHIP with the Yanks last year in 54 innings…..
For Staten Island, Mitchell got knocked around, but, Culver and Gumbs had good games, but the big bat was outfielder Shane brown with a 4-5 and a homer. 11-9 SI.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....8;did=milb
blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
“Cervelli backing up Martin seems to have worked out ok.”
eh….nobody has died so I guess that’s a plus…..but he hasn’t player very well.
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I think that there are reasons they don’t want to bring Montero up right now as discussed previously. I really don’t think Cervelli hurts us very much at all, not on this team, and I like some of what he has done in the clutch this year. He’s 3-4 with 7 RBI’s with the bases loaded and he’s 5-19 with 11 RBI’s with RISP.
He’s not David Ross but he’s ok.
Good night all. Good win and hope they saved some offense for tomorrow.
Jerkface–I’ll feel confident about the Yankees going to the playoffs when the Rays become sellers and/or the fat lady sings!
The key, like the Dos X’s commercial is for the Yankees to “stay healthy my friends.”
he still gives up too many homers for a reliever. Not gonna do cartwheels or pout if he returns, but, don’t see the need. I trust Noesi and Ayala more.
he still gives up too many homers for a reliever. Not gonna do cartwheels or pout if he returns, but, don’t see the need. I trust Noesi and Ayala more.
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He would replace Carlyle
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Tex is the king of hitting HRs when we are big by a lot. Not killing him for it because he has been good with RISP generally, but just saying…
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You are right and that’s a good example as to why why relying too much on statistics to make judgments makes little sense.
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Or we could look at the stats and realize that relying on memory is stupid. He has 3 Hrs (4 now) with a lead > 4 runs
Tie game: .347 .500 .773 1.273 10 HRs
Within 1: .261 .407 .572 .979 3 HRs
Within 2: .236 .364 .500 .864 1 HR
Within 3: .239 .355 .536 .891 6 HRs
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The irony is that the only way to corroborate the initial statement is with statistics. A totally dopey statement all the way around.
Noesi did not look good; 48 pitches in 2 innings. Pitches all over Hell’s half acre. He throws hard but lacks control. Send him back to AAA. He needs to be pitching every 5 days and get some more command. He needs to develop and being in MLB is not helping.