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Is Sergio Mitre this year’s Chad Gaudin?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yesterday, just one day before coming the Yankee Stadium, the Brewers designated Sergio Mitre for assignment. Would the Yankees be interested?

Spring training opened with Mitre as a heavy favorite to win a long relief job in the Yankees bullpen, but Bartolo Colon was outstanding, and when the Yankees decided they might not have room for Mitre, they traded him to Milwaukee.* With the Brewers, he’s actually been pretty effective with a 3.27 ERA through 22 appearances. He’s pitched as many as three innings at a time.

With a placeholder already in the rotation, and a series of long relievers coming and going from the minor league system, would the Yankees prefer a guy who they already know and saw pitch pretty well last year? For all the grief he gets in the fan base, Mitre did have a 3.33 ERA, 1.09 WHIP and .223 opponents batting average last year.

The situation reminds me of Chad Gaudin. The Yankees released Gaudin last spring, but they remembered that he pitched well at the end of 2009, and when Gaudin was released by the Athletics in mid-May, the Yankees signed him five days later. He made 30 appearances for the Yankees, pitching in more games than Mitre and throwing more innings than Boone Logan, Chan-Ho Park, Ivan Nova or Kerry Wood.

Could Mitre fall into a similar situation?

* Wonder if Mitre would have made the Opening Day bullpen ahead of Luis Ayala had he stuck around.

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125 Responses to “Is Sergio Mitre this year’s Chad Gaudin?”

  1. Mike Ri June 28th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Could Mitre fall into a similar situation?

    -

    hope not ! we’re doing just fine without Meat Tray :-)

  2. 86w183 June 28th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    He’s certainly better than Buddy Caryle, Brian Gordon and Jeff Marquez. But I’d prefer to keep Noesi and Wade over him.

  3. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Whatever.

    Another lefty killer would be more useful.

    ;)

  4. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I just think we’re going to keep seeing older players and bad contracts.
    ———————————————————–

    Betsy

    The current threshold for luxury tax is 178M applied at this years end and paid next January. The Yankees are assessed at 40% over that limit. Who knows if it will be in place or if there will be an agreement on a salary cap, which big market teams like the Red Sox, Phillies and Yankees will certainly oppose.

    My point is, Cashman has been very careful in trying to maintain the salary structure, I beleive until the above issue is resolved. Of course he was overuled with the Soriano signing so who knows??

    Yankees valued at 1.7 billion in March 2011 by Forbes Magazine.

    Recent opening day salaries for Yankees:
    2011: $207,047,964

    2010: $213,359,389

    2009: $201,449,189

    2008: $209,081,577

  5. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    *believe*

  6. sunny615 June 28th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    I’d rather get Wood. But if it came down to Mitre or no Mitre, I’d go no Mitre and try a call up instead.

  7. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Morning all..

    Hey blake, quick question after reading that Newman interview.. I’m starting to wonder if some of the other posters on here aren’t right about Montero, and that the Yanks are actually starting to believe they may have better catching prospects in their system (ie: Murphy). My question to you, since you and MTU seem to agree with my opinion of Montero, is this: if we don’t see him by the end of the year, do we start to assume the Yanks are targeting another player to be our future catcher?

    I still think we see him this season, but I’m just curious to hear what you guys (blake, MTU, anyone else who feels like throwing their thoughts in) think it might mean if he isn’t in pinstripes at all this season.

  8. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Trade Igawa to Brewers for Mitre and LaTroy Hawkins!!

    Which of these two Yankee baseball relief signings were worse?
    LaTroy Hawkins
    Jose Veras

  9. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    YT-where is Veras pitching these days? I used to cringe whenever he would come into a game. #badmemories ;)

  10. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    LaTroy Hawkins….because it started a ridiculous debate over whether he was getting booed because he wore #21 or because he sucked (spoiler alert: it was because he sucked).

  11. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Shame-

    I think we’ll see Montero this season so I’m not going there.

    I do think the Yankees have other potentially viable guys to catch as evidenced by the Newman interview, i.e. Romine.

    He’s available for a stud pitcher but there do not seem to be any available so he probably remains a Yankee.

  12. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Newman also said that Montero was working very hard to imrove his defense at the expense of his offense, and that Montero needed to find a balance between the two.

    I’m concerned about the abuse Martin is getting behind the plate and the chance for injury. I would like to see Montero called up if he can get enough playing time. The only other catcher in the system available only for their defense is Molina and maybe Gil.

  13. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I’m more of the belief that Montero is working more on his defense than his offense. He’s not exactly the offensive slug that some think he is, and his defense is up markedly. The yanks seem to see Murphy as more of a Jim Leyritz type with versatility and a solid bat. Sanchez is probably 3 and a half to 4 years away. Romine and Montero will be the main catching staff. As Newman said, Romine would be in AAA with any other organization. It hurt both players that they spent two years paired together. Montero’s a bat that comes to an organization once about every ten years.

  14. Shame Spencer June 28th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    MTU – Yeah I didn’t really want my mind to wonder there either, as I’m on the same page as you re: Montero.

    I think I just come here too much lol, it makes me antsy.

  15. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Erin-Jose Veras pitching for the Pirates.

    WON/LOSS 1-2 ERA 2.94 K 38 Walks 16 Saves 1

  16. blake June 28th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Shame,

    I agree with others that we will see Montero by the end of the year….and even if we don’t they seem committed to keeping him behind the plate because that’s far and away where his value is the highest. Its hard to gauge where they really are regarding his evaluation there though….cashman says Montero is better than Cervelli but Newman says if they would have called him up when Martin was hurt that Cervelli would have played anyway……also Newman says they are “all hands on deck” for the big club and are willing to sacrifice Noesi’s development to win at the big league level…..seems they are more willing to do that with some guys than others.

    I think they want Montero to be the catcher of the future…..and are going to take that as far as they can go with it.

  17. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    YT-thanks for the info!

  18. blake June 28th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Girardi votes YES to Mitre!

  19. blake June 28th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Montero is hitting for average….his slash line looks similar to last year minus the SLG…..he’s just not hitting for power yet and seems to be still adjusting to all the slop they are throwing him. I can’t remember where he was at last year but around the deadline was when he went on a rampage.

  20. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Montero’s a bat comes to an organization once about every ten years.
    —————————————-
    GB-

    -When is the last time the Yankees had the power potential that Jesus Montero has in their minor league system? Was it the Mick, who came up at 19 and was a star immediately?

    Also, if his career as a catcher or 1B/DH are blocked as a Yankee, in your opinion, does he have the tools to play RF? Another Mike Stanton whose also a big boy!

  21. DocTodd June 28th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    If Meat Tray still has those photos of Girardi…….then expect to see him in pinstripes…

  22. blake June 28th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    If you’ve seen Montero hit… his swing tells you all you need to know. He keeps the bat in the zone a long time for a guy with his pop and he is able to swing very hard and stay on balance. He hits the ball to all fields with authority…..the reports are that he’s struggling with soft stuff away but from what I’ve seen once he adjusts to it that should play right into his strength.

  23. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Shame-

    Got to walk the Mops. Back in a while.

  24. DonCapone June 28th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Oh no, not this guy again. Did he break out the blackmail photos he has on Girardi again?

  25. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Good morning –

    1. Chad – nice compliment to Sam. It’s a shame what’s happened to the newspaper business when a top-notch writer and reporter gets discarded like that.

    2. Nice interview with Mark Newman. It explains the organization’s thinking on a few fronts.

    3. GB’s on target about the Yanks having to make some decisions about some of these pitchers, or lose them to Rule V. In general, I’d pass on a mediocre type like a Mitre, and look for more value, like a Matt Garza, if they decided on pitching. Use some of those AAA assets for a guy who can play at a high level, on a more consistent basis.

  26. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I think Montero had 15 homers and about 4o-45 RBI after their ASB last year and about a .350 average.

    People talk about him not playing well in ST, but, that was about 40 at bats and a .250 average. I’m sure that having 6 catchers splitting time didn’t give him a lot of game time. Howver, look at the 15 games he caught. Nothing wrong with his defense. 9 steal attempts, 4 caught. 1 error, 1 passed ball in 72 defensive innings. The rest of the catchers threw out 3 in 21 attempts.

  27. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Trader, power that stuck? Mantle and Pepitone. Prospects? Reuben Rivera, Tony Solita and Otto Velez, though Roger Repoz and Steve Whitacker were supposed to be the next Mantle and Maris.

  28. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Trader, Montero could possibly fill in the outfield, but, not sure he has the footspeed. On the otherhand, both Murphy and Romine could play anywher but short and center, though, they’d give it a crack. both could be Leyritz-Inge type players. People forget that Inge played in centerfield for detroit before Granderson was brought up.

  29. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 9:58 am

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  30. austinmac June 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Montero has not hit since April. Even then, April was a month without a walk, as I recall. The Yankees don’t think he is ready. I think that is quite clear. His year at SWB seems to confirm that. He is only throwing out 18% of baserunners, not hitting for power or even average of late. I am beginning to think Romine is the catcher of the future. I know that is blasphemy, but it may well be the reality.

    Prospects are iffy until they have a sustained period of success in the majors. A good example is Heyward of the Braves. He was considered a sure thing. He is hitting .227.

    I do not see a number two starter for the playoffs. Colon could be it if healthy, but is that something the Yankees should rely upon? Burnett is too up and down, and rarely has a shut down game. When did he last pitch 6+ shutout innings? The other Yankee pitchers have, but I don’t recall that for Burnett.

    Sanchez and Garza come with some risks, but what pitchers don’t? I say either one could be that no. 2 starter.

  31. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I’d definitely sign Mitre to a minor league deal or even bring him back for long relief and move Noesi to 7th inning. Mitre was pretty good when given work…low whip..threw strikes.

    I expect to see him here soon.

  32. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    RiverAveBlues From the tip box: Former Yankee Mark Melancon leads the Astros in both saves (6) and wins (5).

  33. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Heyward has been hurt…..I still consider him close to a sure thing.

  34. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 9:51 am
    Trader, power that stuck? Mantle and Pepitone. Prospects? Reuben Rivera, Tony Solita and Otto Velez, though Roger Repoz and Steve Whitacker were supposed to be the next Mantle and Maris.
    ____________
    Hensley Muelens, Drew Henson, Kevin Maas, Jackson Melian….prospects fail–a lot.

  35. pat June 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Good Sox/ Phils matchup tonight- Beckett vs. Lee

  36. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I expect a really tough game against Greinke tonight…he is pitching with something to prove to Cashman…Let’s see if he can pitch on the big stage (I think he can!)

  37. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    The Next 3 days is about the only time Id ever pull for the Phillies

  38. NYJim June 28th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I don’t know why people are so down on Mitre. He pretty much did his job, and, when he had the chance to throw fairly regularly, he was pretty good. I am not trying to make a case that he is the best guy out there, but he did make a strong case in Spring Trianing to be on the 25 man roster. Signing him to a minor league deal is a low cost, low risk move that might give some flexibility in the bullpen.

  39. upstate kate June 28th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    oh is this the highly vaunted WS match up?

  40. G. Love June 28th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Didn’t know Sam had left, but congrats to him for getting hired by the Times. I liked Sam. I hope it worked out to be a step up. It’s a tough market for any kind of a writer right now.

    This place has gotten so bad lately it’s becoming less and less a part of my day. That’s sad. Either you have to be a pollyanna fan/prospect hugger in here or you have to try to navigate the spillover from the Daily News civil wars.

    As for Mitre, I wouldn’t trade anything good for him. Offer them back Dickerson and do the deal over. Now that Swisher is hitting Dickerson won’t play here and Golson can fill that role in a pinch, plus you’re going to need the roster spot for Chavez soon-ish.

    Mitre’s not a necessity for this team.

    Getting back Colon, Chavez, Jeter, Soriano, maybe one of the LHP relievers and a truly better Hughes will be better than any deals this team can make going forward.

    Unless a great starting pitcher hits the market (and I don’t consider Bedard to be great) I would stay out of trading for anything other than a better RH option than Jones. And even that is a luxury as we could survive with him in that role. I think by the time the post season comes, Girardi will be committed to starting Gardner more against LHP than he has this season so that role is diminishing.

    Honestly, Arod (or Montero) should be DH against LHP and Nunez should play 3b on those days.

  41. Doc Iac June 28th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    The Next 3 days is about the only time Id ever pull for the Phillies

    ____

    agreed, and also against the mets

  42. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Bojo,

    That’s not the attitude to have…..I expect him to run screaming off the mound at the first boo. :)

  43. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Burnette could just as easily sue for non-support. 3 games that he pitched 7 or more innings and allowed 1 run. His record, 2 losses and one no-decision. he’s had two bad games and 3 not so hot games of allowing 4 runs and one that he allowed 5, of which only 2 were earned. One of the bad games was against Boston, but, hardly a shock. Sabathia is 0-3 and Colon and Garcia are 0-2. The only Boston win was Robertson.

  44. DocTodd June 28th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Brewers at home…29-11
    Brewers on road…..15-24

  45. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    On the good side, yankee hitters have hit all three Milwaukee starters pretty well over the years.

  46. Mike Ri June 28th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Sanchez and Garza come with some risks, but what pitchers don?t? I say either one could be that no. 2 starter.

    I agree !

  47. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Garcia and either Warren or Phelps for Matt Garza? We get someone who’s shown they can pitch in the AL East, and Cubs get a decent pitcher on a one-year contract, and a possible pitcher for the future.

  48. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Power that stuck! Will Montero stick, that’s the question?? :)

  49. Tom in N.J. June 28th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    The Yankees should look into signing this guy. He’s got a funky windup.:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......5&v=3

  50. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    From the Post article referenced before.

    “As for Liriano, an AL scout said, “His own organization doesn’t like him. He started Game 1 of the playoffs last year, and they never even talked about signing him long-term. That is because they bump heads about his style; they want contact, he wants strikeouts, and they know he is an injury waiting to happen. He has the stuff to hold a good team to one run in seven innings and the erratic style to give up six runs in two innings and the delivery to be on the DL 10 days after you get him. So what do you give up for that?”

    Trade Nova for Liriano! If you want contact Nova will give ya plenty of it.

  51. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    No Montero for pitching!! :mad:

    If the Yanks are looking for high end pitching shop Manny and Dellin.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Supposedly, the Nats are willing to trade Clippard this year…for a starting center fielder. Looks like Clippard will stay a Nat unless Tampa is willing to give up BJ Upton.

    We can all have a good laugh now.

  53. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “That is because they bump heads about his style; they want contact, he wants strikeouts”

    I want strikeouts!

  54. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Joe,

    Id do that but I think the Cubbies would want more than that for Garza….

  55. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    How do we know Liriano wouldn’t improve with an organization he doesn’t bump heads win and a pitching coach that actually pushes K’s?

  56. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    DRob30 Still a few tix available to hang out w me and @NickSwisher and some surprise guests on Thursday highsocksforhope.com/events

  57. Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    They traded 5 guys just to get Garza, doubt they’d turn around and dump him for 1.

  58. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 10:46 am

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  59. blake June 28th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Im thinking Garza would probably cost more along the lines of Romine, Nova, Heathcott…..something like that. It would take a strong package…..more than Id pay.

  60. upstate kate June 28th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Thanks guys…get my hopes up for Garza only to dash them :(

  61. Chip June 28th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    No Montero for pitching!!

    If the Yanks are looking for high end pitching shop Manny and Dellin.

    ————-

    According to the same scout who wrote about Liriano – people are starting to view Montero as a non-athlete who won’t last at catcher. At best a DH who is showing diminishing power in the minor leagues.

  62. 86w183 June 28th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    The “price” for Garza, like Sean Marshall would probably be eating Soriano’s contract. Considering Jorge and Swish have contracts up it wouldn’t be the end of the world… and it’s not my money!!

    But the bullpen is a larger need than the rotation right now… at least until Gordon gets another start. I still think Hughes and Colon will help this team… not as sure about Soriano, Feliciano or Mitre

  63. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I’m not sure I would do much more than that for Garza, not with Colon and Phil coming back. Not unless one of them failed.

  64. Chip June 28th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    As for Mitre – I don’t see why the Yankees wouldn’t bring him back. Girardi likes him and they’re certainly not adverse to bringing in the chum of the league and seeing who sticks. The question is whether Mitre would sign here or would he rather go somewhere that he’s going to get more playing time and a better shot at a rotation spot.

  65. Doc Iac June 28th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    we dont need garza,

    we dont need to trade young pitchin for old pitchin,

    and while i agree montero is NOT ready for the big leagues, the hate hes gettin makes me laugh,

    i also heard the scout who said montero was a non-athlete with diminishin power said hed be happy to take him off the yankees hands…

  66. Chip June 28th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Doc Iac June 28th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    we dont need garza,

    we dont need to trade young pitchin for old pitchin,

    and while i agree montero is NOT ready for the big leagues, the hate hes gettin makes me laugh,

    i also heard the scout who said montero was a non-athlete with diminishin power said hed be happy to take him off the yankees hands…
    ————

    Matt Garza is 28 – that’s not old.

    Montero’s not getting hate – he’s getting crticism, there’s a difference. And the criticism isn’t irrational – it’s based on performance/fact.

    Maybe Montero’s not playing well because he’s bored, who knows. All you can go on is what you see.

    And I’m sure the scout does have another agenda – but not every uber prospect turns out to be a good major leaguer.

  67. Doc Iac June 28th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    garza is not old, but hes not good ether, hes decent,

    im not buyin into the montero hype ether cause its all hype until he can prove it,

    and the bored comment makes him seem like a dirtbag, so i hope thats not his excuse,

    im just sayin people are bashin him like hes hittin .200 and hes not just 21 yrs old,

    hes hittin 290 and is still young, im sayin dont give up on him, but im not those ppl who say call him up he bored, call him up even thu hes under performin, im sayin give him time before throwin him away

  68. 86w183 June 28th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Montero has gotten too much praise and too much criticism…. such is the life of an elite prospect in the Yankees Universe

    Every team in baseball would be thrilled to have a kid with his potential…. but that’s all it is at this stage.

  69. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Chip June 28th, 2011 at 10:53 am
    LGY June 28th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    No Montero for pitching!!

    If the Yanks are looking for high end pitching shop Manny and Dellin.

    ————-

    According to the same scout who wrote about Liriano – people are starting to view Montero as a non-athlete who won’t last at catcher. At best a DH who is showing diminishing power in the minor leagues.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    How did you come to the conclusion that hte same scout made both comments? No scout from another team is going to pump up another teams’ players that they may want on their team. If they can’t stick a name to the “anonymous” scout…it didn’t get said. Especially with someone like Sherman.

  70. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Blake-

    “How do we know Liriano wouldn’t improve with an organization he doesn’t bump heads win and a pitching coach that actually pushes K’s?”

    I like your way of thinking.

    :)

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock June 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    NM actually asked really good questions of Newman. Good job by them.

    I wish though they had asked about Jo-Ram. Pretty clear Newman didn’t want Melancon dealt away. Me neither.

    Re Liriano, for me it all comes down to who they’d want for him. Forget about Garza, the Cubs gave up a lot for him & I wouldn’t, though I like him.

    Yea, Montero at age 21 has “diminished power”. Classic.

  72. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Mauer is working out at 1st. Will they need a catcher? Some package of Romine et al for Liriano and his baggage?

    Cardinals interested in both Heath Bell and Jason Bartlett of the Padres.

    From Joel Sherman in mlbtraderumors:

    Sherman of the New York Post dishes all kinds of Yankees rumors today; let’s check it out.

    •Yankees GM Brian Cashman admitted the team’s weakness is left-handed pitching, but says, “I can’t force it. I can’t make it happen if it is not there.” Another Yankees official said that a lefty would help, “But I don’t think it is live or die.”?? Sherman believes Wandy Rodriguez and Francisco Liriano might be the two best available southpaw starters, but both bring concerns. Relief-wise they could go for the Marlins’ Randy Choate or consider higher-priced names in August like Brian Fuentes and Mike Gonzalez.
    •In general, Cashman said he doesn’t think he can trade for a starter better than Bartolo Colon or Phil Hughes or a reliever better than Rafael Soriano, and all three could be back in July. According to Sherman, the Yankees “have shown no interest in high-cost veterans with dubious stuff such as the Brett Myers, Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Edwin Jackson, Livan Hernandez, and Jason Marquis.”
    •Hoping for the Yanks to acquire Jair Jurrjens or Derek Lowe? We’re not sure if either is available, but Sherman says “the Yankees’ policy has become pretty much to run away from Atlanta pitching after having successful Braves hurlers blow up on them.”
    •The Yankees would not offer an extension to Hiroki Kuroda, if the righty were to make that a condition of a trade. We know Kuroda will require some form of compensation.

  73. charlestonchew June 28th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I can’t wait for Hughes to be back. And Colon. Will we still have room for the Supernova? 6 man rotation, with CC and AJ going every 5?

    I’m waiting, every day, for a manager to break tradition and do something a little different, like bat Cano fourth or do a six man rotation for a bit. But stuff like that doesn’t seem like it will happen any time soon =).

  74. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    2 things the Newman interview shows very clearly :

    1) The Yankees are all about winning now (we already knew that).

    2) The Yankees see prospects differently than most of us do.

  75. Niblick June 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Let’s face it. This blog has turned into a hate factory. First it was Gardner, then Jeter, Jorge and Swish. And who can forget all the Phil hate? Now, I guess they’ve exhausted their collective capacity to hate the major leaguers, so it’s time to direct their hate to the minor leagues. Where better to start than a 21-year old in AAA who for some inexpicable reason isn’t hitting like Mickey Mantle yet?

  76. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Trader, don’t you think that the Twins are wishing for a do-over now on the Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps trade last year?

  77. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Mike Stanton was the only pitcher that played for the Braves prior to becoming a Yankee that was a help to the Yankees.

    No for Choate,Fuentes, Mike Gonzalez and Wandy[my elbow still hurts] Rodriguez.
    MAYBE for Liriano.

  78. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Liriano represents great “change of scenery ” potential to me….a guy with a lot of talent who doesn’t like where he is. That’s the type guy you like to try to buy low on if you can….all depends on whether the Twins would be realistic with their asking price……

  79. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    YT-

    “MAYBE for Liriano.”

    Yup. Depends on the cost. I wouldn’t give ‘em Romine for Liriano like Blake would.

  80. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Joba_62 Thanks to @delta for getting my sister and I back to my 2nd home. Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight!

  81. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    I said this winter that the Yanks shoukd offer Gardner to the Braves for Jair…..

  82. ac1 June 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    still want to see if the Mets are looking to unload Santana….

  83. Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Now, I guess they’ve exhausted their collective capacity to hate the major leaguers, so it’s time to direct their hate to the minor leagues.

    Why can’t THEY be more like YOU, and just direct all their hate at the world series winning manager?

  84. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Trader, don’t you think that the Twins are wishing for a do-over now on the Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps trade last year?

    ———————————————————-
    Considering they’re paying Capps 7.15M for something like 11 saves and 5 blown saves this year and Morneau is hurt, and backup 1st baseman Cuddyer is a FA, now that Mauer is working out at 1st-My answer is DEFINITELY11

  85. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    I would trade Romine for Liriano then cross my fingers and hope he stays healthy and can get Adrian Gonzalez out in October.

  86. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Matt Thornton please.

    C’mon Kenny you know you want one of our young AAA pitchers.

    ;)

  87. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Not me Blake.

    Romine is Montero insurance.

    ;)

  88. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Im not one to worry about the Red Sox…..but the Yankees rotation doesn’t match up well against their lineup after CC.

    You don’t force a trade or over pay for someone like Wandy Rodriguez…..but I would feel much better about their WS chances if they had another good Lefty in the rotation and bullpen…..JMO

  89. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    “I would feel much better about their WS chances if they had another good Lefty in the rotation and bullpen…..JMO”

    Me too partner. 1 of each.

  90. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    MTU,

    Martin is my Montero insurance :)

  91. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Mitre would be a very good pick-up.

  92. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    We probably could get Liriano for Nova or maybe Noesi-their types of pitchers…but I wouldn’t do the deal. I think Liriano has great talent, but will be blowing his shoulder out in future.

    Given that Santana looks like he is gone for rest of year, the only pitcher that interests me would be Zack Greinke…and I think he will show tonight that he can pitch in NY. I never bought that stuff about fragile psyche.

  93. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Blake-

    Martin may only be here 1 more season. Romine a lot longer.

    No guarantee with Jesus on the Catching front.

    Just a thought. Liriano too much of an injury risk to gamble moving Austin.

    We must have other things the Twins would consider ?

  94. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    The only real reason I wanted a lefty in rotation was to combat Boston…but the other way to look at it is if we acquire a pitcher, how have they done against the Boston hitters–including AGon and CC?

  95. Niblick June 28th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Jerk (and that is a most appropriate name): they should. He’s a terrible manager, and deserves every bit of criticism, scorn and hate directed at him.

  96. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    According to the same scout who wrote about Liriano –people are starting to view Montero as a non-athlete who won’t last at catcher. At best a DH who is showing diminishing power in the minor leagues.

    ——

    I really don’t care if Montero is a DH.

    They need his bat way more than he needs a position.

    I also can’t take a scout very serious that us concerned about Jesus Montero’s bat.

  97. ac1 June 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Given that Santana looks like he is gone for rest of year, the only pitcher that interests me would be Zack Greinke…and I think he will show tonight that he can pitch in NY. I never bought that stuff about fragile psyche.

    __

    Isn’t his ERA something like 5 in the NL Central?

  98. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Bojo,

    He can blow his.shoulder out in the future……I want him for now ;)

  99. 86w183 June 28th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    So the Yanks can’t trade for a starter with big time talent because they need insurance for the backup catcher to the backup catcher? That’s taking prospect hugging to a new level.

    The Twins have no catching prospects at all and a Romine led package just might get them Liriano.

  100. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I posted a list before of starting lefties likely available right now, due to contract issues or with teams out of the race and come up with these unappealing choices.

    Francis
    Davis
    Rodriguez
    Zito
    Gorzellany

    and maybe John Lannan and Paul Maholm[Pirates however are still in it to win it]

  101. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “I want him for now”

    Me too. But that is another reason I do not surrender too much for him.

    He may be a very short term solution.

    ;)

  102. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    MTU,

    True….but I think they have enough depth lower in the system to take the gamble on a chance to win this year. Not saying your take is wrong…..

  103. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    ac1 June 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Given that Santana looks like he is gone for rest of year, the only pitcher that interests me would be Zack Greinke…and I think he will show tonight that he can pitch in NY. I never bought that stuff about fragile psyche.

    __

    Isn’t his ERA something like 5 in the NL Central?
    __________
    He’s bored? (4.77)

  104. BoJo June 28th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Niblick June 28th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    Jerk (and that is a most appropriate name): they should. He’s a terrible manager, and deserves every bit of criticism, scorn and hate directed at him.
    _______

    JF was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. You blast others for hating, but do so yourself regularly.

  105. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Blake-
    We’ll see how important a lefty starter is against the Red Sox tonight and Thursday when they face two of the best in Lee and Hamels.

  106. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Liriano is the only starter I’ve heard mentioned that might be available that interests me…….

  107. ac1 June 28th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I dont get all the Greinke love….
    Not even about his social issues because i dont buy that, but he had one good year….
    Followed by a not good year and now he has an era near 5 in the NL.

  108. Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Niblick, your name is quite appropriate!!

  109. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    People were jumping off the Montero bandwagon in bunches this time last year as well.

    People have flavor of the month syndrome when it comes to prospects.

  110. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    From the Yankees GCL team.

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Adams has a double and Tyler Austin has his first professional HR (two-run bomb). Ravel Santana has also doubled. #yankees

    3-0 Yanks after four innings.

  111. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Gotta go. Till later.

  112. blake June 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Trader,

    True.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock June 28th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I don’t know how people can be adamant about a guy they don’t go to see.

    Then again, people saw Jorge Posada’s whole career & decided he should be replaced at DH, rather than assuming the obvious/logical – that he was adjusting to a completely new deal & his bat would come around, so maybe actually seeing Montero wouldn’t provide any useful information for those folks.

    I myself haven’t seen Montero with any consistency since Trenton, but no hack is going to sell that his bat is deficient. I am tired of relying on second-hand info on him currently though & need to find a window to get out to Scranton.

  114. REA in MI June 28th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Good morning.

    I am a daily reader but infrequent poster, wondering if the Yankee cognoscenti can help me out. I live within driving distance of Cleveland and plan to attend one of the NYY games there next week with my 2 sons. My options are Tuesday or Wednesday, and I’d like to them see the best Yankee team possible.

    Any ideas on who projects to start which game? With the off days, the rainout in Cincinnati, and occasionally skipping the 5th starter… I’ve lost track and can’t seem to figure out who will throw when.

    I know it’s an inexact science, but educated guesses are appreciated instead!

    Thanks.

  115. sunny615 June 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Keith Law write about the Future’s Game -
    one part was interesting:

    Al Messerschmidt/Getty Images
    Phillies prospect Jarred Cosart is one of many intriguing talents in this year’s Futures Game.

    When Major League Baseball announced the Futures Game rosters Sunday, many of the usual suspects were there, including seven of the top 10 prospects from my May 31 ranking update: Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Julio Teheran, Shelby Miller, Martin Perez, and Manny Machado. But the game also includes a number of prospects I haven’t seen in a while or at all, including these 10 guys who head the list of Futures Game participants I’m most excited to see.

    1. Jarred Cosart, RHP, Phillies (US): By all accounts, Cosart has one of the most electric arms of anyone in the minors, sitting 93-98 mph with a hammer curveball at 77-80. He’s a good athlete, but his delivery is still a little stiff. But his athleticism should make that easy to smooth out. Cosart would have pitched in last year’s game but was out with minor arm soreness that went away with time off.

    2. Matt Moore, LHP, Tampa Bay (US): He’s perhaps the best left-handed pitching prospect in baseball, with a fastball up to 97 and two above-average to plus secondary pitches in the curve and circle-change. Since last year’s All-Star Break, Moore has thrown 166.2 innings, struck out 237, and walked 47. And somehow, he seems to be flying under the radar relative to other top prospects, which has to be because he plays for Tampa Bay.

    3. James Paxton, LHP, Seattle (World/Canada): Paxton was a favorite of mine in the 2009 draft, didn’t sign with Toronto as a sandwich pick, fell to the fourth round in 2010, then didn’t sign with Seattle until this spring. Most pitchers who take that much time off look good in pre-draft stints in independent leagues but can’t maintain it once they sign, but Paxton has gone the other way, finding his old velocity and curveball and struggling more with feel and control.

    4. Matt Harvey, RHP, NY Mets (US): Harvey was the seventh pick in last year’s draft and came into pro ball boasting a plus fastball with good downhill plane and a solid-average or better changeup but struggled with both breaking balls. Reports this year have the breaking balls both improving but the changeup regressing — which would still leave him a three-pitch guy, plenty to be a frontline starter given the strength of his fastball. Harvey tore through high Single-A, which is what you’d expect a first-rounder drafted out of the ACC to do, and he has made one start in Double-A, giving up four runs and 11 baserunners in four-plus innings.

    5. Carlos Martinez, RHP, St. Louis (World/Dominican Republic): I’m not sure if there’s a more exciting starting pitching prospect in the minors, as Martinez has two plus-plus pitches, including a fastball up to 100 mph, and has been dominating low A this year. He was knocked around in his second start of the year, but in six starts since then he’s allowed just four runs in 32 innings (that’s a 1.13 ERA) with 10 walks and 42 strikeouts.

    6. Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Arizona (US): Skaggs was the player to be named later — just a few weeks later, as it turned out — in the trade that brought Dan Haren to Anaheim. Skaggs junked the slower of his two curveballs while he was with the Angels and has seen his velocity gradually creep up into the low-90s as his projectable frame has filled out.

    7. Henderson Alvarez, RHP, Toronto (World/Venezuela): My sleeper prospect for Toronto before the 2010 season, Alvarez has seen his velocity jump to the mid-90s, even touching 101 in a recent start although he’s not likely to do that often. He’s always had a plus changeup and plus control, but his fastball has gained a grade in each of the last two seasons.

    8. Jose Altuve, 2b, Houston (World/Venezuela): Altuve is generously listed at 5-foot-7, 170 pounds, and has one major baseball tool — his bat. He hit .408 in the high-A Cal League to start the year and is hitting .366 in Double-A, making a ton of contact albeit not walking much at either level. He’s surprisingly strong for his size and maxes out his power by getting his arms extended on almost every swing. But he’s fighting history — according to Baseball-Reference.com, only one player in the last 10 years who was listed at 5-foot-7 or below has qualified for the batting title: David Eckstein. I hope Altuve has enough heart.

    9, 10. Jurickson Profar, SS, Texas, and Jonathan Schoop, 3b, Baltimore (World/Curacao): Curacao has produced just a handful of big leaguers, led by right-hander Jair Jurrjens and outfielder Andruw Jones, but a fallow period there might have ended with these two very high-upside infielders. Profar is the true shortstop with incredible instincts, a great eye at the plate, and a plus arm, while Schoop has a similar arm and more power but is likely to end up at third or second base.

    Omissions

    Manny Banuelos, LHP, and Dellin Betances, RHP, NY Yankees: I have to assume MLB was turned down on both of these guys. Betances brings more power; Banuelos offers a better mix and a better delivery.

  116. sunny615 June 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    sorry – didn’t mean to post the whole article, just the last part…

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock June 28th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Matt Moore & Price will offer deadly tandem, though Moore has had command problems this year. I don’t know how under the radar he is, though. Seems people know he’s an elite LHP prospect.

    ///

    Stupid comment on Betances & Banuelos.

  118. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Just saw a clip of Davey Johnson. Somebody needs to tell him to get dentures that fit. Right now, he looks like one of the older members of the Osmond clan.

  119. Erin June 28th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    New Post: Pitching matchups vs. Brewers

    :arrow:

  120. Warning Track Power June 28th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Are there any YANKEES playing in the game??

  121. blake June 28th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Romine is…..

  122. bruceb June 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    We’ve spent our whole year so far talking about starting pitchers who could or could not help the Yankees…Liriano, Rodriguez, Zambrano, Lilly (his name seems to come up each and every year). But the plain truth is that with the possible exception of Liriano, none of these guys would significantly upgrade our team. And, in fact, with Colon and Hughes on the way back, we might actually have six starting pitchers to choose from shortly. The only thing Cashman should have on his radar is a genuine No. 2 starter (and, please God, not another A J Burnett). If no one fits the bill, then he should forget it and wait for one of the killer Bs to come through. I’m actually amazed at how well the Yanks are doing right now (touch wood). We’ve been caned by the Red Sox, suffered a number of frustrating defeats, yet here we are sitting half a game up on the Sox. That’s not to say we should rest on our laurels; we just shouldn’t be tempted into trading our best chips away for mediocre players. I don’t think it’s going to happen. Cashman seems to shop better at the dollar store than he does at Tiffany’s.

  123. vinny-b June 28th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    put me down for Mitre.

    even tho Trisha and myself are only living NYY fans who like him.

    he works fast, produces ground balls, and frankly shouldn’t have been cut my Milwaukee. Whatever, Milwaukee’s loss can be NYY’s gain.

    sign him.

    _

  124. Stottlemyre68 June 29th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I like Noesi and Ayala more than Mitre. I think many people underrate having people who can go long in the bullpen and overrate having RH/LH specialists. Your long man is especially valuable for extra inning games, because you don’t have to empty out your bullpen.

  125. hardwired7 June 29th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    test

    ;-)

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