Pitching matchups vs. Brewers
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 28, 2011 
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Tonight
RHP Freddy Garcia (6-6, 3.30)
vs.
RHP Zack Greinke (7-2, 4.77)
7:05 p.m., YES Network / MLB Network
Wednesday
RHP A.J. Burnett (7-6, 4.15)
vs.
RHP Shaun Marcum (7-2, 2.95)
7:05 p.m., YES Network
Thursday
LHP CC Sabathia (10-4, 3.25)
vs.
RHP Randy Wolf (6-4, 3.20)
1:05 p.m., YES Network / MLB Network
First!
( remember the good ol days when people used to get angry at that)
No lefties means no bonehead lineups.
I think there is an error above.
If it’s the Randy Wolf I remember he’s a lefty.
Just read the positive story about Logan getting a pick me up from ARod.
Wolf is a lefty in a righty’s clothing?
WTP–Romine is Yankee in Futures Game. Montero went twice already so he is not eligible.
Blake-
I understand your POV on Liriano/Romine as well.
It’s more likely the Yankee POV than my take.
Guess we’ll see. The Yankees do have amazing depth at Catcher that’s for sure.
Last time I saw R. Wolf, he was a southpaw.
I don’t like Garcia against the Brew crew tonight, hope I am wrong.
http://Www.wimp.com/vegetablemarket/
Absolutely crazy
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bruceb June 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
We’ve spent our whole year so far talking about starting pitchers who could or could not help the Yankees…Liriano, Rodriguez, Zambrano, Lilly (his name seems to come up each and every year). But the plain truth is that with the possible exception of Liriano, none of these guys would significantly upgrade our team. And, in fact, with Colon and Hughes on the way back, we might actually have six starting pitchers to choose from shortly. The only thing Cashman should have on his radar is a genuine No. 2 starter (and, please God, not another A J Burnett). If no one fits the bill, then he should forget it and wait for one of the killer Bs to come through. I’m actually amazed at how well the Yanks are doing right now (touch wood). We’ve been caned by the Red Sox, suffered a number of frustrating defeats, yet here we are sitting half a game up on the Sox. That’s not to say we should rest on our laurels; we just shouldn’t be tempted into trading our best chips away for mediocre players. I don’t think it’s going to happen. Cashman seems to shop better at the dollar store than he does at Tiffany’s.
# Abe Peteraham June 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
http://Www.wimp.com/vegetablemarket/
Absolutely crazy
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Insane on so many levels
Greinke has had 2 bad starts this year that inflated hie stats. He gave up 6 earned runs when wind was blowing out at Wrigley…and 5 earned against Pirates when he was still working self back into shape…look at his gamelog and you will see he is getting back his old zip
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2011
Dangerous pitcher…hope we can wait him out…
WCYF-
I was going to write something similar earlier, but I held my tongue and tried to keep any post I wrote a positive rant.
Freddy does concern me. I can’t lie about that.
I thought Baseball america picked 2 guys from each organziation to go but that the teams didn’t have to let players go if they don’t want….probably why Banuelos or Betances aren’t going.
# Abe Peteraham June 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
http://Www.wimp.com/vegetablemarket/
Absolutely crazy
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Insane on so many levels
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LOL LOL unreal !
probably why Banuelos or Betances aren’t going.
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Thats what that omissions paragraph insinuated, that the Yankees denied the use of either guy. They chose only to send Romine.
A nice nice feature of tonite’s Sux/Phillies matchup is that they have to play in Philly.
Lee vs. Buckett
Should be a good one.
JF,
Yes….I think that’s what Law was saying. I did think that each team got 2 players though…..
Andruw, get your spikes sharpened and your bat pine tarred. Looks like Thursday will be your lucky day.
MTU,
Go Cliff! Its the WS preview right
wonder how.many times they’ll say that tonight.
Lee vs Buckett-
Let’s see how many Philly players are HBP tonight???
Beckett has been sick last 2 starts with “flu.” I wonder if that really was a need to get another shot for his back.
Blake-
As you said, one of the rare times I pull for Philadelphia.
Meanwhile we’ve got our hands full with Mr. Greinke. At least we’re home.
Phillies just took a hit. Ryan Madsen just went on the DL
Warning Track Power June 28th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
WCYF-I was going to write something similar earlier, but I held my tongue and tried to keep any post I wrote a positive rant. Freddy does concern me. I can’t lie about that.
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A junk-ball pitcher with little room for error if his command is off. He can’t throw the split finger every pitch. He’s done well this season; but against good hitting teams like the Brewers, balls could leave the field in a hurry.
GB-
Bummer.
Good morning everyone!
GB, thanks for that interview link. Very illuminating. Confirms what most of us were thinking on several fronts.
As for Liriano, I am not a fan. But reading that comment (with a grain of salt), he is definitely a change of scenery candidate. And the Yankees love them some strikeout power pitchers.
As for Mitre? I’m of the mind that fringe players aren’t that much better on subsequent tours of duty. Even when he was here, he was a roster clogger with no options left. In house options are more flexible, out of the system options need to be better than Mitre. Wasn’t that the measuring stick last season? “Is pitcher X better than Mitre?”
Yanks haven’t had a lot of issues with Greinke over the years. he’s 2-3 with a 5.27 ERA in 10 games (7starts). Yanks hitting .274.
I know this is a crazy question but coming from me it should be no surprise.
Let’s say the Yankees obtained Liriano but he didn’t work out in a SP role.
Here’s my question.
Would he be any good in relief as an emergency LOOGY ? Too wild ? Too expensive for that role ?
Totally crazy idea to consider ?
As for the Twins, again with a grain of salt, what were they thinking? Did they attempt to make Johan Santana a contact pitcher? It seems best to let the pitcher do what he knows best.
I’m tired of hearing how the Twins are the best at developing players.
GB-
Sounds good. I hope he doesn’t have an off night and pitch well.
My pleasure, Mel. Newman certainly didn’t color anything. He knew what the deal was in giving up Kennedy for Granderson. also admiiting that the team made a mistake with Clippard in not seeing him as a bullpenner.
Would Liriano be a good pickup if the Yankees used him in the bullpen (as a LOOGY)? I think that next season he is available for free agency so the Yankees could return him to the rotation and let him try “pitching for dollars”.
By the way, I AM NOT SUGGESTING including Banuelos, Betances, Montero or Romine in a deal for Liriano but anyone else at Scranton or Trenton should be expendable.
GB,
You seem to be on a brake, but thanks so much for the article with Randy Newman. It was most informative.
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Prince Fielder has been awesome this year. Other than Reyes he is my best every day player on my fantasy team. This series is not going to be be easy by any stretch of the imagination. Randy Wolf has been steady for the Brewers for a while now.
*break
MTU,
Yea I guess he could…..but if that happened then you’d have to consider it a failed trade. If they trade for Liriano then the hope would be he would be a good 2nd Lefty behind CC.
I know this is a crazy question but coming from me it should be no surprise.
Let’s say the Yankees obtained Liriano but he didn’t work out in a SP role.
Here’s my question.
Would he be any good in relief as an emergency LOOGY ? Too wild ? Too expensive for that role ?
Totally crazy idea to consider ?
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I’m sorry, but I didn’t see your post before I suggested the same thing. Its a good idea. The only sticking point might be thaqt Liriano might not want to be a reliever….nonetheless if he agreed to it the Yankees could promise to let him return to the rotation next year. If he has a big year next year he might be in line for a nice contract somewhere.
MTU, NYYs have hit all three starters well over the years, though the 7.20 ERA off of Wolf is just 2 games.. 10 runs (8 earned) in 10 innings.
If a player is smart, they’d take any role the Yankees offer. That’s if they know about the Canyon of Heroes thingy.
GB,
He was really blunt about winning takes priority over these kids. I mean, yeah, that’s what winning teams do, but he said it harshly in several different languages. He also pointed out that Montero was almost there, but not quite. Good to see that Montero’s defense has improved. An absolute requirement in my eyes.
As for Clippard, he wasn’t given enough chance, but that’s the Catch-22 that Newman talked openly about. And if they did put him in the bullpen, then someone would have whined about it.
Blake-
Understood. Just a fallback option in case.
GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Yanks haven?t had a lot of issues with Greinke over the years. he?s 2-3 with a 5.27 ERA in 10 games (7starts). Yanks hitting .274.
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I can’t even remember the last time they faced Greinke. It seems like it’s been a long time.
SAS June 28th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
GB,
You seem to be on a brake, but thanks so much for the article with Randy Newman. It was most informative.
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Prince Fielder has been awesome this year. Other than Reyes he is my best every day player on my fantasy team. This series is not going to be be easy by any stretch of the imagination. Randy Wolf has been steady for the Brewers for a while now.
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Good afternoon, SAS. Hope all is going well with you and hubby. You’re most welcome on the Newman article. Happy to post it.
MTU,
Yea I understand….and he would potentially have value in that role……just perhaps not enough to warrant what they would have had to give up to get him.
Is it really necessary to go through the same routine every time Garcia pitches.
Don’t like his chances tonight, but hope I’m wrong! OMG he gave up a run!! I knew it. He is not long for the rotation. Get him out of there. Hes lucky, he sucks, I hate him, panic!!
Game ends, Garcia ended up pitching well, rinse and repeat the next time he takes the hill.
M, they thought that Albaladejo would fit their needs as a power arm out of the pen, but, it just didn’t happen.
If you haven’t barfed this morning, here you go:
http://espn.go.com/boston/hot/?id=6711698
LGY-
The Yankees didnt face Greinke in 2010 or 2009 and in 2008 he pitched well.
http://Www.wimp/vegetablemarket/
Absolutely crazy
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Insane on so many levels
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Looks like bad Monty python or something.
CraZy for how small world is, stuff like this exists.
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LOL LOL unreal !
Erin, Greinke last pitched against the Yanks in 2008. He was 1-2 that season.
Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
The Yankees didnt face Greinke in 2010 or 2009 and in 2008 he pitched well.
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thank you sir.
I guess it hasn’t been too long.
Thanks GB!!
My favorite quote from Mark Newman:
“Pitchers are not starters or relievers…..In my personal view, we spend a lot of time and wasted energy on trying to prognosticate what a guy’s future role will be. Ultimately, the game will tell you. We went through that with Joba. There’s still people who want to argue that Joba should be a starter. It’s only an academic exercise now, but it seems to me that the game told us that he was a better reliever, even though he could start.”
Greinke’s career numbers against Yankee batters.
http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1
LGY June 28th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Is it really necessary to go through the same routine every time Garcia pitches.
Don’t like his chances tonight, but hope I’m wrong! OMG he gave up a run!! I knew it. He is not long for the rotation. Get him out of there. Hes lucky, he sucks, I hate him, panic!!
Game ends, Garcia ended up pitching well, rinse and repeat the next time he takes the hill.
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Difference here is the opposition.
The top of the Milwaukee lineup is as good as any in baseball – they could very easily turn the first inning into HR Derby against a soft tosser like Garcia.
Yankee Trader, I’m just able to get back to you know. I know what Cashman said about the farm, but it just seems to me that the farm is a throughline in which to trade whatever assets they have for proven players. I think Against all Odds has it right. The very few who appear to have Yankee-talent will be given a shot; the rest? Traded for veterans that will pay them well beyond their prime.
Yogi_Museum When Yogi was told he was on cover of this week’s SI in special “Where Are They Now” issue, he said, “What do you mean? I’m right here.”
Betsy as Newman corroborated, job number one is to win on the major league level and all efforts, decisions and evaluations are done to that end. Developing players is secondary; as it should be. I believe the Yankees evaluate each on their own merits; there is no umbrella policy that supersedes that.
Who were the last vets we signed not in their prime? Alex, CC, Tex, Granderson, AJ… all in their prime, correct? Not saying they’re pretty contracts but still..
Definitely not a fan of acquiring Liriano – for many reasons, not least of which is the change of scenery. I would never make a trade for that reason because it’s too much guesswork involved. In any case, he’s too much of a risk.
RiverAveBlues Intriguing name. RT @SI_JonHeyman: NYY like mike adams (0.65 whip), more than k-rod or maybe even heath bell. SD getting lots of calls, tho.
Shame, my point is that it’s clear that the kids will never really be given a chance with this team. No, I don’t expect a team full of homegrown players, but I also have no desire to see this team turn into a team full of expensive FA who we still have to pay at the end of their careers.
Seems like teams are a little more talkative about other teams players than they used to be. Ryan says F. Rodriguez isn’t any better than what they have and beltran gets hurt too much. Said when denying interest in those two in a trade.
People used to get fined and suspended for less than that.
For the prospect huggers:
Who is the last prospect that the Yankees moved who actually developed into anything really good? Mike Lowell? Eric Milton? Wily Mo Pena?
Jose Tabata might turn into something he’s only 22 – but right now I would say he’s a fairly average player.
Ian Kennedy is pitching well for Arizona but he was never a good fit here, he knew it, the Yankees knew it and most of the fans knew it.
Who else?
Maybe we fans need to accept that the people who get paid to evaluate the talent in the minor leagues and decide who is worth trading and who is worth holding onto have gotten to this point by being fairly good at what they do.
Are they going to get them all right? Nope. I would say that the deal for Nady and Marte is already a flop – but they are going to get a lot of them right too – like the Granderson deal. Curtis is having an All-Star (maybe MVP) start to his season while Austin Jackson is probably giving Jim Leyland thoughts about sending him back to AAA.
Erin, Mike Adams would have a lot more appeal to the Yanks than Bell would.
Blake-
With regard to a Liriano you hope for a best case scenario but it is also good to know that he might provide some value, however marginal, in another capacity.
It he wasn’t left-handed and didn’t work out as a starter he would be a total bust.
Maybe he doesn’t hold up well in a SP role but can hold up as a left reliever ala Joba ?
He is not likely to be a long-term solution with Banuelos coming along.
More of a temporary stopgap in my eyes.
If he does work out nothing wrong with having 3 quality lefties in our rotation. Right ?
There is no policy not to give kids a chance. Yankee kids get a chance all the time. Gardner, Cano, Joba, Hughes, Nova, Robertson, Noesi, Cervelli, Nunez and Pena, etc., all have gotten or are getting their shot to make an impact at the big league level with the Yankees.
Betsy – I think that was the trap we fell into in the 2000s but we’ve been making much better choices. Outside of the core 4 guys like Jeter, you aren’t going to see any big contracts handed to guys in their mid thirties. Alex and Tex for example will likely never sign another deal with the Yanks. Jeter is kind of the one-off. Once Posada retires after this year, the Yanks will really only have to worry about that “vet respect” when it comes to Jeter and Mo.. who may also be done after their contracts expire.
What will be interesting to see is how they handle Robbie in a couple years.
Betsy,
They all can’t play here. In Kennedy’s case we got a great CF with a reasonable contract in return.
And to see Karstens, Clippard, Melancon, and Kennedy thriving elsewhere means that we we can identify good prospects and develop them into good players.
And we’re seeing less trades than before. That’s a Cashman thing. He’s going with retreads instead of overpaying. When he says the market hasn’t developed or it’s going to be stupid ridiculous in terms of prospects, that means he’s not going to overpay.
Cash has done a great job since gaining control. I hope the Yankees can “convince” Cashman to come back. Not that I think he’s 50-50 as Olney says.
Shame Spencer June 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
“….Outside of the core 4 guys like Jeter, you aren’t going to see any big contracts handed to guys in their mid thirties”.
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They are going to exactly that with Sabathia when he opts out this fall.
sp – to do
All the Yankees numbers against Greinke were before his breakout season. I wouldn’t judge him while he was still learning his craft.
GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Erin, Mike Adams would have a lot more appeal to the Yanks than Bell would.
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Agreed.
I don’t think the Yankees want to pay a second closer not to close – they already are doing that with Soriano.
Plus it is sometimes a big risk to bring in a closer and ask him to be a non-closer (Gagne)
I would be concerned about putting too much faith in a pitcher who builds his numbers by calling PETCO home (see Scott Linebrink). That park can make a lot of pitchers confident and cover up a lot of mistakes. Take Adams (or anyone) from there and put him in a hitter friendly home park in a very powerful division and the ROI might decrease.
There’s a lot more parity in baseball this season. The traditional trade market might not develop with your cellar dwellers a stone’s throw away from division leads. The Twins might actually be one of the few obvious sellers.
Shame, however, if they want to win and that’s their priority, then they are not going to give kids a real chance because kids require that there be patience to deal with growing pains. The only reason the core 4 got their shot without any real pressure to win is because the team was sooo bad at the time.
M, I know – and I don’t regret giving up IPK (wouldn’t mind having him back, but I don’t regret his absence) and I defintely don’t spend any time on Clippard, Melancon etc…..However, picking a Gordon to start who, IMO, is a journeyman (when you’re compared by your GM to Karstens, Rasner, etc…, it’s not ideal) and is not going to ever be more than he already is, instead of an at least promising Noesi tells me that the Yankees will always prefer the mediocre veterans to the unknown youth. Now, it’s not like we have any real position prospects to speak of (besides the catchers), so maybe it doesn’t matter, but still….
We part ways on Cash – I used to be one of his biggest fans, but now I just want him gone. He might have been the right one to rebuild the farm, but I’m not sure he’s the right one to somehow find the right mix of veterans and youth on the big club.
“They are going to exactly that with Sabathia when he opts out this fall.”
Thats why I didn’t mention him along with Alex and Tex as being in their last contract with the Yanks. That being said, of all the players to go all in for, Sabathia has to be the guy. He’s basically the core. I’d rather have him than Lee anyway.
MOST Yankee prospects only going to get a very small window to demonstrate their ability.
That is the downside of the win now mentality. Most guys don’t just come to the Majors as fully formed players ready to compete at the highest level.
It takes time sometimes to make a fine wine. But not in Yankeeland.
There it is be ready to stand on your feet and run pretty much from day one.
It’s like the plains of Africa where the Predators will pick you off if you can’t fend for yourself quickly.
It a tough land out there in the AL East. Only the strong survive. And that’s the way the Yankees see it.
Seems to work for them. Over and over again. Who are we to argue with such success ?
Betsy,
I am shocked at your last statement! Really!
We definitely will part ways on that one. We’re just as good as Philly and Boston. It’s us 3 and nobody else. A good way to gauge a team is run differential, and we are tops in the category atm.
We have a good mix of veterans and youth. You yourself have praised the contributions of Colon and Garcia (really saving our season imo). We have players in their prime contributing. Homegrown players like Cano, Gardner, Robertson on the rise. His only mistake this year is keeping Jones around. Everyone else has stepped up.
I think of “giving the kids a chance” as situational and circumstantial. Some of our young guys have been given the chance as other posters have mentioned (Robbie, Gardner, Robertson, Joba, Nova, Hughes, etc).
I know people seem to feel that winning now has to be directly at odds with developing players, but I’ve just never seen the two as being mutually exclusive. Does it complicate matters to have to cater to both sides? Of course.. but I think they work in tandem more often than not.
I’ve always felt the best teams are those that can keep the magical 1/3 mix. 1/3 veterans, 1/3 prime players, and 1/3 young guys and rookies. We’ve been getting into that formula, and if we keep at it we’ll be able to see the fruits of the farm system riding down the Canyon of Heroes soon enough.
MTU, it might have worked in the past, but with all these teams developing superior talent (and look at our division), I don’t think the Yankees can keep doing business that way. They need to start developing their own pitching- and that means allowing for growing pains. There are not going to be young aces available for them to throw $$ at – teams are locking them up. If they ever develop position prospects, it can’t be sink or swim. If it is, then they have no call to complain when their prized FAs struggle at the end or near the ends of their contracts and they still have to pay as if they were in their prime.
Mike pushing Prince again
Developing players is one of the keys to winning.
The Yankees constantly fall into the trap of short term incremental gains outweighing long term success. It’s a shame how shortsighted they act year after year.
It is their downfall and one of the main reasons they have only won one World Series post Dynasty years.
Betsy,
You make a good point about developing our own pitching. However, someone wrote an article lately that no team has developed great pitching more than others over the last 20 years.
If someone could dig up the article, I’d appreciate it. It kinda burst the whole “the Twins are so good at developing starting pitching” bubble.
M, yep we’ll have to part ways. He’s not the man I want running the team in the future.
I didnt’ say we’re not good this year, but I do find it interesting that Blake made a comment about how our rotation doesn’t stack up against that of the Sox – meaning, in the playoffs – except for CC. So even though we are right there, we still know that the Sox are far better built for the playoffs than we are.
Where does Mike thing the Yankees will play Prince Fielder?
LGY, yes. I will admit they’ve had some bad luck with Phil, Joba and IPK. On the other hand, Cashman purposely drafted only pitching when he took over the farm and so the team is now paying for their lack of young talent in other areas. He’s admitted that he is no talent evaluator. I get that we have Oppenheimer, etc.., but who’s to say how long he or anyone else will be with the team? I’d like my GM to know his talent as well. I appreciate all that Cash did and has done for the team, but I’m ready for someone new.
Where does Mike thing the Yankees will play Prince Fielder?
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Probably DH
Betsy,
I respect that you want someone new as GM. Do you have anybody in mind?
M, I think overall the Yankees would rather go with veterans who are known, even if they are mediocre, than kids who are the great unknowns. They can’t live with any uncertainty.
They really have no choice to develop their own pitching unless they relish paying out contracts to AJ Burnett types all the time.
Ledger_Yankees The latest from The Daily Jeter (featuring Buntin’ Bartolo Colon): http://bit.ly/lpkyEx
Where does Mike thing the Yankees will play Prince Fielder?
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Pinch hitter.
I think there is a difference between developing pitchers and filling a temporary gap. Gordon fills a temporary gap, Phil and Colon will return. If one of them were done for the season, then bring up one of the youngsters and see what they can do, as w/ Nova.
Betsy-
The game is changing- again. It’s kind of like car styles to to me. They come and they go.
But there is rarely anything all that different just the normal cycles.
The Yankees have a terrific farm right now. They have to be smart about making the most of it.
I agree that they need to do a better job of developing their young pitchers, and I hope they will.
As far as Position players go it seems to be based on the perceived talent level.
The higher the cieling the greater the chance to prove themselves.
More iffy, or marginal players only get a small window. That seems rational enough to me.
The bottom line appears to be that most guys will fall to injury, or wind up as parts of trades to fill other needs. We will never be the Twins and do not need to be.
I don’t think the Yankees complain. Just their fans. They are the most successful sports franchise in the world.
They are worth a small fortune. Their formula seems to work quite well.
On the other hand, Cashman purposely drafted only pitching when he took over the farm and so the team is now paying for their lack of young talent in other areas
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How are they paying exactly?
Newman’s comments about Noesi and Joba are quite silly when evaluated through the context of how more valuable those guys are to the franchise in other roles.
He really sounds like someone annoyed at the heat the team gets for their development of pitchers and trying to rationalize poor decision making.
That he is even referencing fan preference demonstrates how wrong his frame of mind is on this issue.
M, no I don’t. I don’t even know who would be available. I get that it’s hard for me to say I want Cash out when I can’t even name a possible replacement. I also get that not everyone is cut out for NY. Cashman has handled that part of it (and dealing with the Steinbrenners) exceedingly well for the most part.
Just in case it’s not clear, I greatly appreciate how much the Yankees want to win and how much $$ they put into it – unlike some teams who just sit on their wallets and take in free $$ from the big market clubs.
Betsy,
What bad moves has Cashman done lately? Soriano and Jeter is not his doing. We just won the title 2 years ago and have only missed the playoffs once in 16 years. I for one am happy that Im complaining daily about the BUC and the 4th outfielder rather than our starting lineup. He should win GM of the year for the lightning in a bottle he caught with Garcia and Colon. Wonder boy tried it the other year with Penny and Smoltz and looked like an idiot.
The Yankees have a lot of kids in the system that teams want. The same can’t be said about boston and their boy genius’ talent hunts….unless he deals with San Diego.
Having the talent on the farm is one thing, but, that doesn’t mean that you unload them all because other GMs have yet to learn that Cashman won’t play games with them or allow them to play games. Right now, they have a lot of arms that appeal to teams, but, they want multiple arms and bats for next to nothing. Not happening.
Mell, they have no depth in the farm system…..and what are they going to do with Swisher? They’ll have to pick up his option – but I certainly would not sign him to a long-term deal. Cashman always said he tries to think a few steps ahead – ok, what now? Is Gardner our long-term LF? What are we going to do with RF? And this assumes that we re-sign Granderson, which is not guaranteed.
M, not every player that isn’t a potential stud is an iffy player, though. If we ever develop a position player who has the talent to be a very good/solid player in the majors for awhile, I don’t see any reason not to give him a chance.
I’m not saying we should be the Twins, but there is a happy medium somewhere.
I don’t even know who would be available.
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Omar Minaya is willing to provide his contact info if needed.
Later – back to work!
Betsy,
Fair enough. I guess I’m just shocked because this site used to be filled with “Cash must go” type of posters filling up space with such opinions.
But, nary a comment or complaint from them in a very long time.
As for the risky pitching they draft? I believe that part of the problem is that they draft in such an unfavorable position for almost 2 decades and there are few impact bats in each draft. And even fewer pan out.
We’ve also had players blocking positions, so I can see why they would go for the P&C jackpot.
I was a big Cash supporter and to a certain degree I still am… its some of his public comments over the past year that have had me scratching my head. At times I do like the little bit of bite he’s shown to the media.. its seemed like he’s enjoyed playing the villain a little. But other times … I dunno. Its almost seemed counter productive.
Other than Nova and Noesi, none of the arms have been in the system for more than 3 years and none have a complete season in AA and AAA combined. These aren’t players that came out of the top 10 or even top 20 picks in the draft. People are expecting to get the Prices, Strausburghs, Kershaws out of the tale end of the first or second round are going to be in for a shock. Same thing with the bats. I’d say that having a top 5 farm system along with an annual playoff contender is a pretty well run system.
GB-
Cashman has sent that message loud and clear in recent years, “We will not be fleeced just because we’re the Yankees.”
It might be good if the Levine’s of the world would keep their big fat noses out of Cashman’s business as promised so that he could just do his job.
Fortunately for us, our wants and needs are few, and unlike many other teams we have the talent to fill most spots from within.
You want to trade with the Yankees. Play fair or don’t play at all.
“Who is the last prospect that the Yankees moved who actually developed into anything really good? Mike Lowell? Eric Milton? Wily Mo Pena?”
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How many years did the Yankees completely ignore the farm system for?
Green Beret,
There seems to be an effort to draft more high school kids, too.
I revised my trade package for Erik Bedard. I originally overbid with Nova + Nunez + Noesi because I really think he’s a key piece to a deep playoff run and possibly a WS. We WILL need to get past the Red Sox and their lefties. Bedard or Liriano is a must-get. I think Bedard would be cheaper.
My offer would be Eduardo Nunez + Hector Noesi. I think that’s a slight overpay but it’s competitive enough to get Seattle to move. They really need to add some offense to their team and Nunez provides offensive potential at a tough position to fill. Noesi could step in and give them innings. Another offer might be Eduardo Nunez + Freddy Garcia. This gives them the ability to stay in the race.
Nunez would be a key to the deal…but I think we can fill his spot with Jeff Keppinger, a .300 hitter who provides far more reliable defense. Do you really want to see Nunez in the infield in a tight playoff game?
I sure don’t.
LGY June 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Developing players is one of the keys to winning.
The Yankees constantly fall into the trap of short term incremental gains outweighing long term success. It’s a shame how shortsighted they act year after year.
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And then they come out every yr stating that the farm is going to play a big role smh
Mell, they have no depth in the farm system…..and what are they going to do with Swisher? They’ll have to pick up his option – but I certainly would not sign him to a long-term deal. Cashman always said he tries to think a few steps ahead – ok, what now? Is Gardner our long-term LF? What are we going to do with RF? And this assumes that we re-sign Granderson, which is not guaranteed
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How’d they get Granderson? They dealt from a position of strength (pitching depth) to address a weakness. I agree that the postion player crop at this point is not especially dazzling, but I think that is at least in some part a result of where the Yankees typically select in the draft. Evan Longoria types simply aren’t there at #27-#30. Seems to me Cashman understands this and in the absence of great postion players being available when he picks, he’s built a pitching arsenal that has allowed him to both augment the big club when trouble arises AND trade to address areas that are not as strong as he’d like. Hard to find fault in this.
The GCL Yanks blow a late 4-0 lead and fall behind, tie it in the 9th and win it in the 10th
Final Box score
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How’d they get Granderson? They dealt from a position of strength (pitching depth) to address a weakness
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How was it a position of strength if two years later the rotation is CC-Colon-AJ-Garcia-Nova?
The Yankees should trade prospects they perceive as unlikely to provide significant help. These players may start on other teams but not championship teams. I would trade them for someone like Garza in a heartbeat. Garza is 27. So is Anibel Sanchez. These are young pitchers with proven success.
None of us really know how prospects are perceived by MLB teams. We praise evaluators we agree with and make fun of those we don’t. If any of us were truly qualified to make these assessments, we would probably be paid for our opinions rather than anonymously giving them of a blog. We rarely, if ever, see them. WE don’t time them, measure them or have any data or personal information the professionals do. Our ability to assess MLB players far outweighs our ability to evaluate and project minor league players.
The Yankees cannot sit back and do nothing. The Red Sox will aim to improve and they liekly will. They are said to want Cuddyer and they need a RH bat.
I think Adams would be a great addition. So would, in my opinion, Liriano, Danks(he will recover), Garza or Sanchez. Could we get them practically? I don’t have a clue, but great efforts should be made.
So, we would be better off with IPK in the rotation and Austin Jackson in the OF?
It seems to me this has been discussed before.
But the Yankees model has been and continues to be to try to gain a competitive advantage by being strong at the up the middle positions where other teams tend to be weakest, i.e. C, SS,2B, and CF.
That philosophy has served them very well over the years.
They are working on the pitching side of things. If they get that right it’s gonna be very scary for the rest of baseball.
I think they will.
So, we would be better off with IPK in the rotation and Austin Jackson in the OF?
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No, but the argument that they traded from depth doesn’t fly if a year later Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes are relief pitchers instead of starting pitchers.
The main problem with the Yankees is not trading away young players. Trades are fine esp for guys like Granderson.
The problem is the year after year panic moves that shift quality SP into relief roles, stalling their development, affecting their innings, and being put at risk for injury.
Why do I sometimes feel that the narrative on here is just not even remotely close to reality?… The Yanks are never going to have a team full of rookies who are all primed to be superstars. Maybe teams like Tampa or the Pirates can put something like that together after being god awful for a couple decades. Thats the only way to keep getting high end talent in the draft. And even then, its a lighting in a bottle scenario where you need to have all the pieces fall together at just the right time. Tampa’s window was open the past two seasons, and people were already predicting at the start of this year that the window had closed. They may be able to hang with us right now, even for this year, but I’m still pretty sure they’ll more closely resemble the Orioles more than the Yankees 2 more seasons down the road. As Derek pointed out, consistency is underrated. We have a pretty good mix of players right now. We’ve been adding guys like Joba, Phil, Robbie, Gardner, Melky, Robertson, Nova, etc over the years, and that isnt going to just stop. I understand why people get frustrated with the way we employ our prospects, I can be one of them and empathize, but we definitely give players a shot if the circumstances are right.
“No, but the argument that they traded from depth doesn’t fly if a year later Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes are relief pitchers instead of starting pitchers.”
…the year we won the World Series, you mean?
Sorry LGY, just had to.
How was it a position of strength if two years later the rotation is CC-Colon-AJ-Garcia-Nova?
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Hughes and Chamberlain were healthy and contributing when that move was made. Pettitte was still a member of the rotation. They were getting solid relief contributions from 10-1 Aceves, and Robertson.
This is why I LOVE the Yankees . In first place, looking to improve, still not running on all cylinders.
Go Yanks!
Yeah there is M. I suppose the hope is to develop them over the years and get them to NY while in their early 20s. Culverm Gumbs, and Williams are examples. They also have a lot of 20 year old pitchers that are coming along well. Because of their draft spots, they have to gamble on some injury-plagued pitchers, like brackman and Chamberlain. I still believe that Chamberlain will be a major player for years. Brackman’s stumble has me perplexed. His first game out of the pen this year, he was as nasty as any pitcher I’ve seen. All sliders. After that, the fastball and control disappeared.
As far as Hughes goes, he’ll be a damned fine pitcher for years. Injuries have stalled him over the years, but, this is the first arm injury of any sort. Others were freak occurances.
With the position players, beyond the beating the dead horse talk about Montero, Heathcott will be good. His biggest problem is that he plays with a football mentality. Running into walls, diving into the gaps and hard slides into the bags. The talent is not in question. They have bats, but, the fundamentals aren’t there because the coaches aren’t there in the lower levels.
The Sox definitely WILL do something and the Yankees definitely WILL face their potent lefty-heavy lineup.
My wish list:
LHP
Gio Gonzalez
John Danks
Erik Bedard
Francisco Liriano
RHP
Anibel Sanchez
Matt Garza
…the year we won the World Series, you mean?
Sorry LGY, just had to.
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Joba was a SP the year they won the WS!!
The key to winning the WS is having Joba as a starter! I knew it all along
LGY,
Okay, got you.
The Yankees chose to use Phil and Joba to fuel runs in the postseason rather than keep them in the minors to develop fully as starters. Because we all know that the Yankees couldn’t put up with their growing pains in the majors. Unfortunately, we, as fans, can’t have it all.
There is no way the Yankees would have had an OF including Gardner and AJax lst year.
A deal should benefit all the parties involved, and the Yankees/Tigers/D’backs trade did just that.
# LGY June 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
So, we would be better off with IPK in the rotation and Austin Jackson in the OF?
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No, but the argument that they traded from depth doesn’t fly if a year later Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes are relief pitchers instead of starting pitchers.
The main problem with the Yankees is not trading away young players. Trades are fine esp for guys like Granderson.
The problem is the year after year panic moves that shift quality SP into relief roles, stalling their development, affecting their innings, and being put at risk for injury.
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And then they are looking under every rock for a starting pitcher. It has worked out with Garcia and Colon so far but going forward you can’t always bank on that.
GB – I never understood that, but I’ve heard it a lot.. why is it we don’t think the coaches in our minors are very good? And as a follow up, why the hell aren’t they any good?! We really should be getting our players into a mold at A, AA, and AAA. Mold them to be patient hitters and good defensive players. All of them. From the beginning.
LHP
Gio Gonzalez – NOT happening
John Danks – Like him too, but on DL w/ oblique. May not even be back by dealine
Erik Bedard – If he’s healthy, he can help. You worry about his clock though. Almost 100 IP’s in the books for a guy who never thrown 200 and hasn’t even hit 100 since ’07
Francisco Liriano – Most likely of the lot, but could be some competition
Like both Garza and Sanchez, but cost will be significant.
I’m not a prospect hugger.
The only player in the system I really don’t want to see traded away is Montero. However, I actually have no problem trading Banuelos or Betances if they can package one of the guys for a legit frontline starter like Jered Weaver.
What I don’t want to see is them passing on a trade for a pitcher like Weaver because they are starry eyed about Manny and Dellin, a year later one or both of those guys are rushed to the majors to fill a hole in the bullpen, and a year after that they are dealing with innings issues in the rotation.
Not to mention them struggling when they make starts in the majors and then hearing all this nonsense about how they are built to be relievers like Joba was.
LGY – LOL I almost forgot he was a starter for half of that season. Maybe we can keep the Joba debate going for as long as he plays by continuing in that pattern. Start him till he gets injured, rehab, put him in the pen. Lets do the same for Hughes in reverse and get a full season out of the both of them combined. You know what…. I think we’re on to something
Worried about the Yankees future Starting rotation ?
Don’t.
Here’s some of the contenders:
Hughes
Nova
Noesi
Warren
Betances
Banuelos
Mitchell
That’s a lot of talent, and a lot of potential.
Did you ever notice how Austin Romine has never once been mentioned in leaks? We’ve heard Jesus Montero’s name linked numerous times in trade negotiations. Halladay, Lee, Lee again, Greinke, Soria.
Did you ever notice how Austin Romine has never once been mentioned in leaks? We’ve heard Jesus Montero’s name linked numerous times in trade negotiations. Halladay, Lee, Lee again, Greinke, Soria.
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Because Romine is not a good enough prospect to get the type of players the Yankees are interested in.
Shame,
Pat M., Randy and I have been questioning that for a couple of years. In the lower levels, they have a pitching coach, a manager and a hitting coach, abd that’s it. They have players on the coaching lines. No infield, outfield coaches and maybe two traveling coaches. NYY got lucky with their AAA hitting coach also being an AL All-star catcher to help Montero. Never understood the reason for having $100 mil worth of minor league talent and limited to no instruction. There has to be a lot of former players that didn’t make millions in need to a job. Good teachers of fundamentals at the lowest levels.
Who would you rather have A.Sanchez who has better numbers or Garza whos pitched in the AL East and has playoff experience?
GB-
It’s almost like you skimping on the maintenance on your Bentley.
Yanks recommended Romine for the futures game…..could be showcasing him…..not that he doesn’t deserve it because he’s having a pretty good season and he’s a good prospect.
MTU, among others, you can add Brett Marshall, Jairo heredia and Nik Turley, and Jose Ramirez.
SoS-
Wrong question.
We need a lefty.
Which lefty would you like ?
Liriano
Danks
Etc.
Stay focused.
Shame Spencer June 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Why do I sometimes feel that the narrative on here is just not even remotely close to reality?
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Because it’s usually not.
If one wants a dose of reality, interviews like the most recent one with Mark Newman will give one that. The farm system is there to support winning on the major league level, that’s it’s objective. They make pragmatic business decisions based on that goal. If it is felt a player can develop and fill a need on the big league club great; if they can be dealt to obtain other players that can fill a need, that’s what they do.
Emotionally based perspectives such as “give the young guys a shot,” or “they deserve a chance” are just not professional or commensurate with their goal.
GB-
Yes of course. And Bryan Mitchell and DePaula.
I just mentioned the guys who are at the higher levels and may be ready to help soon.
MTU,
I thought we had that problem solved inhouse? Igawa hello..
I would go Danks younger but I believe he got hurt this weekend.
I feel like Liriano is going to turn into a Dan Haren situation.
The Yankees won’t make a hard enough push to trade for him, he will go somewhere else and be really good, and then I’m going to have to be super annoyed for the next 2 years that Cash didn’t pull the trigger.
Don’t fool yourself about Romine not being good enough. His defense is just fine and he can hit as well as anyone. If teams want a catcher, they want Montero because the will only ask for the top talent. Romine will start somewhere, and like JR Murphy, extremely athletic.
GB – That’s so fascinating to me and I can’t begin to understand it. I think the Yanks have been pretty good at socializing the players into the Yankees Universe at the lower levels. They seem to treat A, AA, and AAA teams as Yankee teams regardless of what level they’re playing in. I like that. I think its actually very important to player development. But the idea that they’re lacking in the actual instructional areas… thats a bit scary. You’d think they’d want more talented coaches in AA and AAA especially. Hopefully thats a trend that starts soon. I’d love to feel like our minor league system was more of a pipeline than anything else.
SoS-
I think it’s something that will get resolved in time for the TD.
Sad part is that unless the Sox fall like a lead balloon over the next few weeks they are not likely to be sellers.
One can only hope.
P.S. I’ll take Thornton off their hands too if they like.
Austin Romine is a solid prospect. He is a top 5 Yankees prospect playing in the futures game.
Still, even if he supposedly is “not good enough” to help the Yankees fill needs, the Yankees often target role players in addition to “good players”.
Even with role players on the market, never once have we heard the Yankees leak Austin Romine’s name.
Please someone tell me again what Im missing with Lorianos numbers? 4.98? 61 ks 39 walks.
Just an observation.
Still, even if he supposedly is “not good enough” to help the Yankees fill needs, the Yankees often target role players in addition to “good players”.
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What role players have the Yankees targeted in the past 2-3 years?
SoS-
Potential.
Most scouts and evaluators think Romine has a good chance to be a starting catcher in the big leagues. That’s a valuable thing…..
Why do people care so much about how the Yanks’ rotation matches up against Boston?
They are 1-8 against them head-to-head this season and still ahead of them in the standings. All of this is happening with an injury riddled pitching staff no less.
Unless the Yanks are facing the Red Sox in the ALCS (and even then it’s still a crapshoot by nature) I don’t a fig how they match up against the Red Sox.
I believe the Yanks will win this division regardless.
MTU, they’re opening up the lower levels by moving pitchers like Romanski and Whitley to Trenton after less than two years.
Brett,
I wonder if that would be different if Montero had been dealt? Maybe having someone so highly ranked that plays the same position is keeping him in the shadows. If we didnt have Montero, he would be the next man in line.
Giuseppe Franco – Not only do I agree, but I also love your hair care products. Double points.
Blake, I would agree that most scouts rate Austin Romine as a potential starting catcher in the big leagues. Yet, never once have we heard his name leaked. The Yankees seem to be protecting this guy.
“Why do people care so much about how the Yanks’ rotation matches up against Boston?”
Because they are the two best teams in the AL and there is a fairly good chance they may play in the ALCS……at least for me that’s why.
Guiseppe Franco-post of the day
LGY, would you trade Austin Romine for a role player?
Bret,
I don’t think that matters much….
Just looked at Beckets era this year. 1.86 must be a miss print or hes getting some Ortiz shakes before starts.
LGY, would you trade Austin Romine for a role player?
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Gonna have to give me some examples of role players for me to be able to answer this question.
SoS,
If Jesus Montero gets dealt it might indicate Romine is untouchable. We’ve heard Montero’s name leaked many times so it seems like the Yankees are prepared to proceed with Austin Romine.
I agree with G. Love. I think the Yankees win the division, and anything could happen after that. Including no AL East teams in the ALCS. There are so many factors involved you could drive yourself crazy worrying about it.
We’ve heard Montero’s name leaked many times so it seems like the Yankees are prepared to proceed with Austin Romine.
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This is really bad logic.
Shame, if it was me hiring coaches at lower levels, I’d start by bringing in young players who had injuries end their careers and give them a chance to move up the ladder. These would be players/pitchers that had skills but never had the chance at big money. Young guys that are hungry and still love the game. I’d also bring in guys like Aaron Small and people who had to work hard to accomplish something.
Speaking of potential. Looking at the 2 young guns that came up at the same time in Hughes and Bungholz. Who ends up being the better pitcher when their career is over?
LGY, are you accusing the Yankees of NOT being prepared for life after Montero?
Keep your eyes and ears open for trade rumors involving Austin Romine.
Gotta run.
Montero’s name has “been leaked” in connection with two players…Halladay and Lee. Not exactly shopping him around.
GB-
Time for a plug for another kind of coach.
One that helps young pitchers to avoid injury, i.e. MM as the preventive injury pitching coach.
Just like taking out extra insurance on a prized possession.
Just read the nm article GB7 linked. You’ll see what the Yankees think of Romine. Newman says that it’s possible to go from AA to the majors. That he will be a starter on some team. And that he really should be at AAA. They just don’t want him and Montero on the same team.
And, yes, I think he is being protected. And that he is a plan B behind Montero. But, no, I don’t think Montero will be traded.
SoS-
He’s gone mainline with direct injections into his lower back.
# SoS June 28th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Speaking of potential. Looking at the 2 young guns that came up at the same time in Hughes and Bungholz. Who ends up being the better pitcher when their career is over?
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I would say Buchholz. He has had his share of ups and downs but I feel going forward he will be the better pitcher.
Realistically, if teams wanted to let the Halladays, Uptons, and Fernandez’s go, the Yankees could put together a very nice package that includes major league players and quality prospects.
Chip June 28th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
For the prospect huggers:
Who is the last prospect that the Yankees moved who actually developed into anything really good? Mike Lowell? Eric Milton? Wily Mo Pena?
Jose Tabata might turn into something he’s only 22 – but right now I would say he’s a fairly average player.
Ian Kennedy is pitching well for Arizona but he was never a good fit here, he knew it, the Yankees knew it and most of the fans knew it.
Who else?
Maybe we fans need to accept that the people who get paid to evaluate the talent in the minor leagues and decide who is worth trading and who is worth holding onto have gotten to this point by being fairly good at what they do.
Are they going to get them all right? Nope. I would say that the deal for Nady and Marte is already a flop – but they are going to get a lot of them right too – like the Granderson deal. Curtis is having an All-Star (maybe MVP) start to his season while Austin Jackson is probably giving Jim Leyland thoughts about sending him back to AAA.
Excellent post. You could add Jeff Karstens (2.66 ERA), Tyler Clippard (2.00) and Mark Melancon (3.11) to that list. All three are having good seasons so far in the NL – and we could probably use Kartsens in the rotation right now – but would they be success stories in the AL East? I seriously doubt it.
GB7,
I would bring in Shelley Duncan so he could teach kids how to slide hard into a bag and take someones hand right off when high fiving. Its the little things that are no longer taught these days.
And Bubba for bunting.
All this talk this year has been about Jeter getting to 3000. The countdown started from day 1. Well I think the attention should be on Mo instead. There are lots of players that have hit 3000. But Mo is on pace to break the all time save record and not one word about it. Hes at 20 and needs 22 more by years end. Does he get it? When will they start giving him some love? I say he breaks it this year.
MTU, I’d love to see Dr. Mike on retainer. Send every pitcher in the system to his winter classes in Zephyr Hills, Florida. send them there for two straight seasons. I’d also pay Long to move to Florida and run a winter hitting school for two weeks for each level. Complete with video instruction. Fielding and base running is really weak in the system, too. The best base running and outfield coach they had was Jose Cardenal. Others like Lee Mazzilli could be brought back.
GB-
Wouldn’t mind some more guest lecturers too. Like the Mick and the Rick to teach our boys
how to be thieves and bunt for base hits.
GB-
Sorry.
I forgot to say that I love your idea with Long.
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GB,
Not a bad idea. Wouldnt mind seeing a guy like Mussina go and help show kids how to actually PITCH. The guy went from throwing mid 90′s to 80′s late in his career and still dominate. So he would be able to know where each individual pitcher was coming from.
I think that henderson is under contract with Oakland, but, Raines is available after the independent leagues are over. He should be a ML coach somewhere….like NY….teach base running and bunting.
In two or three weeks the Yankees will have much more information on what they need. Colon, Hughes, Chavez and perhaps Soriano will attempt to return. Their successes or failures will be an important piece of the information puzzle.
I don’t really know why people are counting on Hughes. Were he on any other team, the bloggers on this board would point out his shortcomings and question marks. Right now, no one knows if Hughes will be a help or not. As has been pointed out, the first half Hughes would be a help while the second half Hughes should not replace Nova.
GB-
That would work. I’d even throw in a case my very best beer.
Sos, I don’t think you’ll ever see Mussina in a uniform again. Not sure that he even likes people. Would love to see Pettitte working for the team, though.
MTU June 28th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
GB-
That would work. I’d even throw in a case my very best beer.
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For Raines, or me and “Killer”?
All this talk this year has been about Jeter getting to 3000. The countdown started from day 1. Well I think the attention should be on Mo instead. There are lots of players that have hit 3000. But Mo is on pace to break the all time save record and not one word about it. Hes at 20 and needs 22 more by years end. Does he get it? When will they start giving him some love? I say he breaks it this year
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If SAVES weren’t such a painfully stupid stat, people may be a little more nuts about it. That said, Rivera is acknowledged everywhere, by everyone, as being the greatest ever in his role and a certain HOF’er. How much more love does he need?
Austin-
“I don’t really know why people are counting on Hughes.”
Because he has talent and has just been been rather unlucky.
I think the nature of this particular injury makes me an optimist.
Worst case scenario he winds up in the pen and dominates.
well Mo wanted to be announced as an old timer, but big head Kay wouldn’t do it, so I guess he needs just a bit more love
GB-
If Coors light strikes your fancy-both. Killer is on his own.
hughes should not be counted on…i said it even before spring traning that i worried more about him than burrent as a starter
You’d better have a tractor-trailer delivery here, MTU. Once a week. “Killer” will track you down and use your snake food as a snack.
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Maybe if they would give MO his own MO-K-O-S(king of saves)wrist band. Than all would be forgiven. Saves. The most under appreciated stat ever. Where would we be today without them? 22?
MTU,
I have no issue with people hoping Hughes will do well, but to have him replace pitchers that are pitching pretty effectively is questionable unless his rehab starts are impressive.
His last start wasn’t as he had the same problem he had the second half of last year. He couldn’t put batters away and they kept fouling off his fastball. Until they miss that pitch, he will struggle. He threw over 70 pitches is 3+ innings, not so much because of wildness, but because of lack of put away stuff. He hasn’t had it since last May.
I hope he gets it back, but again, they cannot rely upon it. They have to see it.
put me down for Mitre.
even tho Trisha and myself are only living NYY fans who like him.
he works fast, produces ground balls, and frankly shouldn’t have been cut my Milwaukee. Whatever, Milwaukee’s loss can be NYY’s gain.
sign him.
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I believe Mussina will be a guest ST instructor in the next year or two. This past ST on YES they mentioned how the NYY have invited Moose to ST whenever and for however long he wants to be there. Moose passed on the invite this year saying he wasn’t ready for that yet. But I bet he goes to Tampa soon.
GB-
Killer is nice fellow. He spends most of his time inebriated, or asleep though. I doubt he is doing very much tracking. Other than to the bathroom or the bed that is.
MY mops are like little mongooses. Way too quick for Killer even on his best days.
I’m not counting on Hughes or Soriano. But I have no problem putting them back in their original roles, at least initially. If they’re not pitching well, then they shouldn’t expect to keep their spots. Hughes, I know will do whatever the team needs him to do. Soriano? Situation is more delicate.
But to cast evil on Joe & Cash because they say they’re getting their spots back when they return is not operating in reality.
MTU,
Were you describing Killer or GB?
YankeesWFAN Derek Jeter ran bases in Tampa today, told the AP “?Feels good. I?m sure we?ll pick it up in the next couple days.?
YankeesWFAN Bartolo Colon practiced bunting today in Tampa, good indication he could start against the Mets this weekend.
Wouldn’t that be mongeese?
Don’t let “Killer’s” easy going ways fool you. He’s like lightning. No, not white lightning. He’s agile and if there’s beer involved, he’s deadly.
I wonder if ex-players get paid for being a ST instructor, or is it purely a volunteer thing?
JackCurryYES Spoke to Milw GM Melvin about Fielder’s free agency. Said Fielder/Brewers r focused on having big yr and will worry about FA after season.
Austin-
This is like a 2nd ST for Hughes. Everything about the way he pitches is gonna vary right now.
The thing is that the velocity is generally where it should be considering where he’s at in the rehab process, and most importantly, that he is healthy.
He is getting a feel for his 2ndary stuff again. Takes a little time.
He is still shaking off some of the rust and regaining confidence.
Once he gains sufficient arm strength and command again look out.
We will have a healthy, hungry and rested Hughes. That is a weapon.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Let him make a liar out of me if he wants to. Until then I’m in his corner.
since Tom in NJ is taking a summer break from his professor duties…the plural of mongoose is mongooses…sorry GB, but MTU is correct on that one
I wonder if the Yankees put Soriano as a 7th inning or earlier guy he would take offense to it and opt out of his contract come years end? If so, Im all for it.
Kate, i was trying to confuse MTU. If I get him thinking, “Killer” can sneak up on him a little easier.
Wouldn’t that be mongeese?
GB,
I guess they just had Huffy bicycles in your time.
The plural of mongoose is mongooses? That seems so lazy. All they did was add an “s”.
Nik Turley promoted from Charleston to Tampa and Ramirez is activated off of the DL Strong pitching staff in tampa.
I wonder if the Yankees put Soriano as a 7th inning or earlier guy he would take offense to it and opt out of his contract come years end?
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In what has, to this point, been a injury riddled, less than stellar year for Soriano, it’s sort of hard imagining him opting out of that deal. Things can change, but as of now I don’t envision any other team being prepared of pay $13M for his services in 2012.
The plural of mongoose is mongooses? That seems so lazy. All they did was add an “s”.
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If your going to be lazy about it then go all the way with it. They should have just kicked out the s and added a Z. mongooze.
MTU,
I am in his corner too. However, if it doesn’t go well I will point the finger at you for giving me unfilled hopes. Now that I think about it, I have had unfilled hopes once or twice before in my life. I wish you had been around to blame for those too.
Austin-
Killer, of course.
GB imbibes only occasionally.
By the way, I’d like your opinion on something.
Look at the picture of Killer below and tell me who’s right, GB or me ?
You’re a Lawyer I’ll accept your judgment. Does this dog look like he’s gonna track ?
https://picasaweb.google.com/cybermrb03/Killer?authkey=Gv1sRgCIK_uPfqktH9fw
Damned. George Kontos is dealin’ smoke in Scranton.
jnorris427 Josh Norris
Damn. In his last 10 outings, George Kontos has 25 SOs against 5 BBs. Just 14 hits in 22 1/3 IP. Impressive
Austin-
Somebody has to take the blame.
I have broad shoulders and a weak mind.
I’m the perfect fall guy.
GB-
Newman mentioned him in a + way in that article.
MTU June 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Only missing a Cuban cigar.
Kate-
Thank you for the rather spirited defense.
Us animal lovers need to stick together.
New Post: Lineup and injury updates
VY-
And a Panama hat.
MTU,
I can clearly say this dog is very remorseful, but will track down another beer in the near future.
vinny-b June 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Nothing like signing a guy we traded away. Might happen though cuz him and Girardi are old buddies apparently. If it was up to me…………….no Meat Tray.
MTU June 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
A pink Panama Hat and don’t forget the Raybans.
Stupid me.
It just hit me.
Why all this talk of beer ?
Then I remembered. We’re playin’ the Brewers.
Now i get it.
VY-
The Ukelelee and the Jimmy Buffet beach shirt.
Maybe “Killer” likes Margaritas instead of beer. Huh. Have to think about that one.
MTU June 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
With the gear we have outfitted him with I think more along the lines of the tropical pineapple drinks with the straw and little umbrella sticking out the top.