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Pregame notes: Colon on his way back to New York

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Bartolo Colon is on his way back to New York and will be evaluated by the Yankees tomorrow. After a four-inning simulated game on Monday, the Yankees believe there’s a chance Colon could be ready to pitch this weekend against the Mets.

“That’s what we have to evaluate,” Joe Girardi said. “Do we feel that he is ready? We’ll get a chance to look at him tomorrow and make that decision.”

Colon threw 60 pitches yesterday, then went through a series of drills — including bunting — today in Tampa. Girardi said he’s not concerned about hitting and running the bases putting Colon at greater risk of re-injuring his right hamstring. The injury happened in the first place when he was covering first base on a play that might happen in any park. As Girardi put it: “If he’s ready to go, there’s a chance he’s going to pitch.”

So why would Phil Hughes need a series of rehab starts, but Colon would need nothing more than a simulated game?

“He’s really only missed two starts,” Girardi said. “It’s not abnormal to skip a pitcher a start and then for him to come back and make the next start. You see that happen all the time, where a guy might pitch on 10 days rest. He did somewhat make a rehab start yesterday: 60 pitches, four innings for Bartolo. He said he felt great, and he could have went more. I believe him, because he was built up. I don’t think missing the two starts was really that much, because he was playing long-toss in that time and keeping his arm in shape. The concern for me is not his arm, it’s making sure his leg is healed. That, we’ll check out.”

• Derek Jeter took batting practice, fielded ground balls and ran the bases at about 50 or 60 percent effort today. Girardi said it’s “probably fair to say” that Jeter would need at least two rehab games before being ready to return. When he might be ready for a rehab assignment is still uncertain. “The one thing you have to see is you have to see him run at 100 percent,” Girardi said. “And you’ve got to see him recover and maybe do it a couple of days in a row before you possibly send him out on a rehab.”

• Will the schedule and 3,000 hits play into when Jeter is activated? “When he’s ready, that’s when we want him back,” Girardi said. “We can’t get caught up in scheduling and trying to get his 3,000 th hit at home. He’s a part of this club that we need, and when he’s ready, he’s ready. That’s the way we look at it.”

• Rafael Soriano played catch today — Girardi said he was pretty sure it was a regular long toss — and reported no problems.

• Update on Eric Chavez: “He’s just continuing to move along,” Girardi said. “He’s taking ground balls, he’s hitting and he’s lightly running. He’s still not where he needs to be, though.”

• Phil Hughes will make a Double-A rehab start tomorrow. It seems likely that he’ll need one more — Brian Cashman has said as much — and Girardi said he’s not sure whether Hughes could do enough tomorrow to show the Yankees he’s ready. “I can’t tell you that,” Girardi said. “I’m looking forward to his start to see how he does, I can tell you that, and to make a determination if we think he’s ready.”

• Talked to Jeff Marquez a little bit this afternoon. He was diagnosed with a very slight strain near his rotator cuff. He’s scheduled to start throwing in three days, and he’s not sure whether he’ll do that here or in Tampa.

• No change among the leaders in today’s latest American League all-star voting update. Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Russell Martin are still leading at their positions, and Curtis Granderson is comfortably in second place among outfielders.

BREWERS
Rickie Weeks 2B
Nyjer Morgan CF
Ryan Braun LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Casey McGehee 3B
Corey Hart RF
Mat Gamel DH
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Jonathan Lucroy C

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159 Responses to “Pregame notes: Colon on his way back to New York”

  1. BJK June 28th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Could turn out that the entire AL starting line-up is Yankees, Red Sox and Jose Bautista.

  2. SoS June 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    So they are remaking the movie WarGames, Mr. Mom, Robocop and Poltergiest. Which movie would you want them to remake?

    Im still waiting for Thundercats and He-man(dont count that awefull 80′s movie) to be made. Theyv already made Transformers and GI Joe. What are they waiting for?

  3. Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    I want to see them remake Cars

  4. SoS June 28th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    GUYS AND DOLLS, WEST SIDE STORY, SOUTH PACIFIC, that sort of thing.

    ========

    NSF,
    Watched West Side Story and South Pacific. Also the one with the guy in the white mask(cant remember the name a classic. Help me remember.). Must have seen over 20 plays. Maybe it had to do with it being the most expensive to watch and it being the prequel.

  5. Rich in NJ June 28th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    It’s pretty impressive that they have done so well without their #2 starter. The offense has really picked it up over the last couple of weeks.

  6. Tom in N.J. June 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Harry and the Hendersons is due for a remake…

  7. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Yanks vs. the Brewers.

    Might this be a WS preview? ;)

  8. Jerkface June 28th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I’d really like to see a franchise reboot of Avatar

  9. GreenBeret7 June 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry
    Today’s Elias eye-popping stat: In A-Rod’s last 10 plate apps with RISP, he’s 7 for 7 with 2 walks and a sac fly.

  10. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    So they are remaking the movie WarGames, Mr. Mom, Robocop and Poltergiest. Which movie would you want them to remake?

    ———————————————-
    Wouldn’t want to star in the remake of the original Poltergeist.
    1982: Dominique Dunn who played the older sister in the first Poltergeist movie was murdered by her ex-lover shortly after the film’s release (and no it wasn’t on set).
    1988: the young girl in all three movies was played by Heather O’Rourke. She died of a septic infection due to a bowel blockage that cause bacterial toxins to enter her system. Originally it was thought she had the flu, as all the early symptoms were the same. Within 24 hours, she died on the operating table while they tried to remove the blockage.

  11. SoS June 28th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    YT,
    Wasnt there a similar thing that happened with the original Exorcist cast?

  12. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Remake the Shining. Everytime I see his face[Jack Nicholson] I think of H-e-e-e-e-e-r-s Johnny!! Nightmares!!!

    You Tube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7JB68sLGY8

  13. BJK June 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    SoS June 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Im still waiting for Thundercats and He-man(dont count that awefull 80?s movie) to be made. Theyv already made Transformers and GI Joe. What are they waiting for?

    ———————————————————————-

    Thundercats is in development at Warner Bros. He-Man is in development at Columbia-Tristar.

    Most likely they are waiting for a good script with a budget that makes sense.

  14. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    SoS-

    I didn’t know that about the Exorcist. IMDb it.

    There were nine deaths associated with the film, among them were actor Jack McGowran who played Burke Dennings, Max von Sydow’s brother, Linda Blair’s grandfather, and a nightwatchman working on the set. However, the sheer number of people involved in the making of this film and the length of time it took to complete it made it more likely that some people connected with the film, however loosely, would die during its filming.

  15. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Rich-

    That’s a really good point and a cause for optimism going forward.

    If they get Bartolo, Hughes, Soriano, and Chavez back those are potentially big positives.

    In addition, We lose Jones for Golson and eventually bring up Jesus to replace Cervelli.

    That’s some pretty good upgrades w/o a single trade.

  16. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    YT-

    Let’s “REDRUM” the Brewers tonite.

    ;)

  17. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    BJK-

    Could turn out that the entire AL starting line-up is Yankees, Red Sox and Jose Bautista.

    ——————————–
    I hope that lineup trounces the NL in Phoenix to get homefield advantage for the Yankees in WS!!

  18. PRDENTIST June 28th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Glad that Colon is to be back soon. If Hughes gets healthy, put him in the pen in place of the Joba. It will help get his arm strength up and since his fastball decreases as the innings go by, then the pen is the right place for him right now. He can always step into the rotation if/when colon or garcia start getting hit hard in the second half.

  19. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I don’t get the need to rush Colon back – what’s the big deal if he makes one or two rehab starts ? Do we really want him to deal having to hit and run the bases against the Mets?

  20. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Phil is not going to the pen ………..for a million different reasons.

  21. Tank June 28th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    A bad start for Garcia tonight could seal his fate as Hughes is nearing his return

  22. PRDENTIST June 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy:

    Name 3 legit reasons!

  23. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    RedRum:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwK2jwqFfk

    MTU-

    Thanks alot for reminding me. Did the kid have dyslexia??

  24. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy-

    It’s not rushing him if the Drs. clear him to play. It means they beleive his injury is fully healed.

  25. Nick in SF June 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    SoS, it sounds like the ultimate musical for you would be a prequel of something that already exists… maybe a prequel musical adaptation of the show SMALL WONDER?

    http://www.kickmecomedy.com/re.....Wonder.jpg

  26. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    MTU, I just don’t need to see him in an NL park.

    You already know the reasons I suspect, PRDentist, but forget all that – Cashman has already said he’s going to be a starter.

  27. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    YT-

    No but he had a serious case of being “psychic”.

  28. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Betsy-

    Your concern is admirable. If they say he’s healed it’s good enough for me.

    We can sure use what he brings.

    :)

  29. SoS June 28th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    NSF,
    Now your just being ridiculous. If you would have said Alf then maybe.

  30. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Betsy,

    I know negativity is your cup of tea, but what makes you think they are rushing Colon back?

    He’s going to see their trainers/doctors tomorrow. The decision to start him this weekend isn’t etched in stone until after he’s evaluated by the people who know what they’re doing.

    Good grief.

  31. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Colon had a mild strain…..I think this recovery time is fairly normal for that sort of injury…..if he’s ready to go then he’s ready to go. Im hoping these 2 weeks off help his arm last all season..

  32. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    A bad start for Garcia tonight could seal his fate as Hughes is nearing his return

    ——

    Why didn’t a bad start from Nova on Sunday seal his fate?

  33. Joe from Long Island June 28th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    GF – hi. Hope you’re well tonight.

    I was only partly kidding about the game tonight being a possible WS preview. While I was in part motivated by various outlets referring to the Boston-Philly series as a preview, Yanks-Brewers is very possible. Brewers have a good team, with some solid pitching. That line-up isn’t bad either.

  34. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I still think the Yankees need another arm in the bullpen, even if Soriano comes back. I only trust RO and MO late in the season.

    I like MTU’s suggestion of Matt Thornton, if available. He was the best set-up reliever in AL if not all of baseball in 2009. Hughes was 2nd best IMO.

    I’m warming to Blake’s idea of Liriano, but only if we keep Betances, Bauelos and Montero.

    Definitely would like Jones gone and in the interim, either Golson, sho’s been hot lately or Parraz brought up, until they trade for another power right handed bat to complement Chavez.

  35. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    evaluated by the people who know what they’re doing. Good grief.

    ——

    The Yankee medical staff don’t exactly have a flawless track record.

    They make quite a few mistakes so it is reasonable to question them.

  36. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    GF, since you started your post off like that, I know you can’t possibly be expecting an answer and you’d be right.

  37. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    LGY, I don’t get this thing with Garcia – it’s like he has to audition every start even though he’s been great.

    Also, Phil is not that close. Given what CAshman said after his last start, he’s going to get at least 2 or 3 maybe 4, rehab starts.

  38. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    lol I missed that good grief, lol – now GF wants to play Charlie Brown. Cool!

  39. PRDENTIST June 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy, I know he is a starter and will be a good one but for right now, there is a need in the pen. With Joba and Sori and Feliciano out, Phil could be a big help. He was in the pen in 2009 and pitched very well.
    As long as Garcia and Colon are pitching well…..What would be your answer to what to do with Garica or Colon when Phil returns?

  40. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    LGY, GF’s responses to my posts are Pavlovian………

  41. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Trader,

    I wouldn’t even think about trading any of those guys for Liriano….I only want him on a fair deal.

    If the Mets decide to give KRod away just to avoid paying his option next year then Id take a look…..maybe figure out a package for he and Beltran. Only teams that would have interest in KRod would be contenders with well established closers …..he would have to set up to prevent the option kicking in.

  42. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    PRDentist, Colon is going back to the rotation. Someone else will have to go to the pen – I don’t pretend to know who it is. What I do know is that if the Yankees put Phil in the pen instead of leaving him to start – even in the minors – they might just as well leave him there permanently. At some point, a pitcher is either a starter or reliever – it’s ridiculous just to keep jerking them around. He has lots of things to work on as a starter – putting him in the pen won’t help with any of those. Since it’s not possible to develop in the majors and since that is what the minors are for, the argument for not putting Phil in the rotation is that he’d be best served in AAA. Outside of that, the Yankees, IMO, are not ready to say that he deserves to lose his spot because of injury.

  43. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    LGY,

    No medical staff is perfect anywhere. But they have the big expensive machines that take pictures and have Colon’s medical records at their disposal.

    That’s all stuff that none of us have access to.

  44. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Garcia’s ERA is almost a full run lower than Nova.

    If Newman’s comments about winning taking priority over development are to be taken serious at all, then there is no way you can pull Garcia over Nova from the rotation.

  45. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m sure your answer would have been something negative. That’s your thing, which I’ll never understand.

  46. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Hughes is not so close. He has to show he can get into and thru 7 innings and still maintain the velocity and location to get hitters out. Plus he needs a lot of work on his curve and change-up.

    I hope he comes back at least by 3rd week in April, so Cashman has enough time to evaluate him, and if need be trade for a starter before the trading deadline.

  47. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t think we have enough information right know to know who would go to the pen…..we have to see how Hughes looks and what happens between now and when that decision is made. My guess is if all 6 of them are healthy and pitching well that Garcia or Nova will be moved to the bullpen……but who knows right now. Hopefully they will have that problem in a couple of weeks.

  48. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    OOps July not April.

  49. BX33 June 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    When they trade Nova for Liriano, they have to bump Garcia from the rotation anyway.

    All honesty, they should move Burnett to the pen, but they won’t.

  50. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    That’s one more thing I took issue with re: Newman: his idea that pitchers are not either starters or relievers.It’s like he’s saying you can just develop pitching by throwing a kid into any role. He almost made it sound like Phil was a reliever who happened to do well as a starter in 2010. It’s beyond silly – IMO, kids should not be jerked around.

  51. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Tonight will be a good test for Garcia.

  52. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    The only starters whose places are pretty much assured are CC and AJ.

    If Colon, Garcia, or Nova falter they will eventually be replaced.

    When Hughes is ready he either replaces Freddy or Nova in the rotation whoever is deemed more fungible at the time assuming Bartolo keeps doing what he has.

    If Phil falters he gets removed.

    The Yankees are lucky to have these kinds of problems.

    As I’ve said before it will probably sort itself out based on performance, or lack thereof.

    Or another injury will decide it.

    That’s what depth is all about.

    Something our rivals to the North do not have.

    ;)

  53. SoS June 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    I hope he comes back at least by 3rd week in April, so Cashman has enough time to evaluate him

    =======

    Im not sure 10 months is enough time for Cash.

  54. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    I have no idea what your problem is Charlie Brown, but the fact that you came on here to pick a fight with me is asinine. You clearly have no interest in having a discussion with me, so all I will say is have a nice day!

  55. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Gordon will be the first casualty when Colon returns.

    The real debate will be who gets booted out of the rotation if/when Hughes returns.

    But that problem may resolve itself with an injury or whatever.

  56. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    No medical staff is perfect anywhere. But they have the big expensive machines that take pictures and have Colon’s medical records at their disposal. That’s all stuff that none of us have access to.

    ——

    That doesn’t really address Betsy’s comment. They can have all the info in the world and still screw this up.

    Being cautious with Colon reduces the risk, which is what Betsy would prefer to see. Considering there is no pressing need for Colon right now and the added risk of having the game in an NL park, I can’t say I disagree.

  57. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Trader, why does Phil have to show he can get through 7 innings. Is that his standard now? Most pitchers don’t do that. What he has to do is show that he can not lose 2 or 3 MPH after 2 or 3 innings. As to his curve and change, while I think he should stay down until he is able to get his curve to be a good pitch again, that’s not happening. I also wouldn’t hold my breath on the change- he’s never committed to it as even a decent 4th pitch.

  58. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    As MTU says…..the Red Sox would probably love to have 6 starters that could get guys out right now……they only have 3 and one is on the DL.

  59. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I’ve said ‘good grief’ a thousand times on this board in the past. And you guys have just noticed it for the first time today?

    Good grief.

  60. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    LGY, don’t you get it? It’s me that made the comment – you can’t argue with the guy.

  61. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    SoS-

    Thanks for correcting me. The hand is quicker than the eye. I did catch the errors of my ways immediately upon pushing submit!!! :)

  62. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Blake, you also said the Yankees rotation doesn’t match up with the Sox lineup…….and I think the implication is that the Sox rotation matches up very well with the Yankees lineup. So, despite them not having depth, their top 3 are very very good.

  63. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    I wish the Red Sox and Phillies could sweep each other somehow.

  64. 108 stitches June 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I wouldn’t count on Hughes until just before the All Star break and depending on where the team is in the standings. Until then, it won’t hurt to to see what his stamina and velocity is after a few more outings at AA and AAA as a true measure. If good, Nova is a candidate as a long man out of the bullpen.

  65. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t like how the Yanks current rotation matches up against Boston…..but Boston’s own rotation is very thin right now. They have a lot riding on Beckett’s back….pun intended. I didn’t mean I don’t think the Yanks coukd beat the Sox in a playoff series……because I think they coukd. I just think they coukd better there chances with another quality Lefty.

  66. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    How about this rotation ?

    CC
    Colon
    Liriano
    AJ
    Hughes/Garcia/Nova

    Looks good doesn’t it ?

    :) :)

  67. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    LGY,

    Again. Starting him this weekend isn’t etched in stone yet. They may decide to hold off on that – who knows.

    I’ve had my treatment screwed up by doctors too. It happens to almost everyone at some point in their lives. That doesn’t mean we know more about their medical fields than they do.

  68. BX33 June 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Red Sox and Philly are set up much better for a short series than a 162 game grind.

    We have the much better depth, but at the end of the day, all 3 teams are making the playoffs so our advantage over 162 is somewhat meaningless.

  69. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    BTW, hello Joe from LI. Doing great. Thanks for asking.

  70. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Blake, the Yankees definitely need another pitcher, but there really is no one out there…………..even Liriano has his risks. I don’t think he’s close to being a sure thing. This is what we go through every year with this team, in part because of their inability to develop pitching.

  71. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    MTU,

    If they were all healthy…..I would feel good about the going into October. Liriano could bust and be useless……but I think he would have a chance at being a difference maker and if Im making a trade I want the possibility of that chance or why even bother.

  72. Yanks78 June 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    In the playoffs, having a better 4th-6th starter doesn’t mean much

    Hughes coming back and pitching like he is capable of coils be huge, along with Colon continuing to do what he is doing. They still won’t match up with the other Big 3s, but it is far better than throwing out Garcia, AJ, or Nova in a playoff start. I’d still prefer if they got another starter, a la Liriano to take a flier on that could be huge in October.

  73. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    MTU, it looks ok, nothing great. Colon is not a sure thing to be as good as he has been and he’s a ? in the post-season. AJ is not very good and I don’t think Liriano is a sure thing. IMO, the Yankees need a LOT to go right to go deep in the playoffs if they make it

  74. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Betsy,

    Everyone has risks…..that’s why if you’re taking a risk you want the chance at a big reward.

  75. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    # Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    LGY, don’t you get it? It’s me that made the comment – you can’t argue with the guy.

    ————

    Whatever. Betsy is just happy someone actually agrees with her for a change.

  76. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    The reason that Colon is on his way back to NY is that he is not injured anymore. He will meet with Doctor’s and Trainer’s to get their final blessing before his start against the Mets this weekend.

  77. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    We don’t really know what Phil is capable of, so it’s up in the air as to how huge his return would be. If he makes it back it would be very good news, but he’s a big ? – not just in terms of whether he can hold up, but how good he would be.

  78. PRDENTIST June 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    I don’t believe that Phil is a kid anymore. This is his 5th year! A lot of things to work on???? His main problem was his lack of velocity on his fastball which messed up his other pitches effectiveness. Plus there have been many cases of a starter going to the pen to help the team out. I remember when Rags did it. He eventually turned into our closer, even after throwing a no hitter on the 4th of July as a starter. There have been many cases of pitchers working their way from the pen to start. phil has to show that his fastball is back in the 90′s

  79. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Betsy-

    If the Yankees want to make it into the playoffs they are going to need length from their starters in August and September, especially with the remaining schedule those months. Even thought the Yankee bullpen is currently sporting the best ERA in AL[I think that's correct], I don’t want to rely just on DRob and Mo and Soriano’s elbow, and the “rejuvenation” of Ayala and a host of rookies to be lights out from the 6th inning on.

    CC, Colon, and Garcia have shown they can give you innings.

  80. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    “IMO, the Yankees need a LOT to go right to go deep in the playoffs if they make it”

    who doesn’t though….

  81. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Blake, these things never work out for the Yankees and I still think that it’s not a good sign that MN won’t even try to re-sign him. I wouldn’t trade much for him.

  82. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Blake-

    With the kind of depth we have we might be able to keep all those guys fresh and healthy.

    I’m with you in thinking that maybe Rothschild would be a plus for Liriano.

    Honestly, I’m hoping that the Sox fall out somehow and we can make a blockbuster deal for Danks plus Thornton.

    That would be the dream deal for our circumstances.

  83. Yanks78 June 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    blake,

    Agree. Any trade for a starter needs to be for a boom or bust guy. We don’t need a solid reliable guy to slot in the middle. We have plenty of those types.

  84. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Blake, some teams need more to go right than others. The Yankees pitching doesn’t stack up as I think you agree and I don’t trust the offense ……….not in a short series especially. However, that’s moot because there is a long way to go and it’s way too early to be talking post-season

  85. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Betsy-

    Must be my rose-colored glasses. Looks great to me.

    ;)

  86. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The Yankees ultimate goal isn’t making the playoffs…..it’s winning the whole thing. They have a good chance to make the playoffs as they are……moves made should be with an eye towards the postseason

  87. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    YT, my point is only CC and a few other SP around baseball are guaranteed to give you at least 7 innings most times. Phil has to be able to get through at least 6. He’s not a guy that maintains his velocity – he always drops 1-2 MPH from the beginning to, say, the 4th inning. However, what we can’t have is the kind of drop off that we saw in his last rehab start……..

  88. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Looks pretty good. In a couple of years The Yankees and Giants should have some great SP to compare.

    NYY

    CC
    Manny
    Hughes
    Nova
    Betances

    SF Giants

    Timmy
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  89. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    MTU, I don’t think either of us are wearing rose or black colored glasses, I just think we don’t agree……..as the song goes, “there ain’t no good guy, there’ ain’t no bad guy, there’s only you and me and we just disagree”.

  90. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    PR, no he’s not a kid anymore, but yeah he has things to work on. In any case, he’s not going to the pen. If he does, it means the Yankees did a 180 degree turn

  91. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Yanks78,

    Agreed.

    Betsy,

    Liriano.doesn’t like Minnesota and they don’t like that he doesn’t want to pitch to contact…..that’s how they teach pitching…..its not a good fit for.him. I have no idea if it would help him or not but I do think its possible a fresh start with a team that thinks its ok to actually try and strike guys out would be good for him.

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Colon had a mild strain and he now is healed. What don’t people understand about that?

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  94. Giuseppe Franco June 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    # blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The Yankees ultimate goal isn’t making the playoffs…..it’s winning the whole thing. They have a good chance to make the playoffs as they are……moves made should be with an eye towards the postseason

    ———–

    In theory, you are correct. But they can’t make deals that just aren’t there. After the Lee and Pettitte snubs this offseason, they didn’t have many viable options on the market.

    However, Cashman is having a lot of good luck with retreads this season and I’m guessing we’ll probably see a few more get opportunities before the season is over.

  95. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Blake-

    The Red Sox hit lefties pretty well, as do the Yankees. A-Gon traditionally has had a .>300 BA against lefties. Youkilis, Scutaro, Pedroia and even Ortiz and jed Lowrie are all hitting close or well over .300 against lefties this year.

    However the Rays have no one close to a BA against lefties of .300. I can’t count them out until the fat lady sings, which I hope is soon!!

  96. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Blake, you could be right, but his injury history scares me

  97. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Colon had a mild strain and he now is healed. What don’t people understand about that?

    ——-

    Is this the same way Martin’s back strain was healed?

  98. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    ‘We don’t really know what Phil is capable of’……………….

    ================

    Capable of winning 18 games last year and being a lockdown 8th inning guys in the playoffs the year before. He hit a bump in the road earlier this year.

    Again, The Yankees won’t bring him back until he’s ready, which will be alot better than he was to start the year.

  99. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I think Mark Newman knows just a bit about his trade. His comments about pitchers being neither starters or relievers is right. I wonder if anyone had a cow when Mo was sent to the pen.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    . . . case in point, the Yankees sure were right about Joba.

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Colon had a mild strain and he now is healed. What don’t people understand about that?

    ——-

    Is this the same way Martin’s back strain was healed?

    ********

    Comparing a back issue for a catcher to a mild hammy strain is really dumb.

  102. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    AGon doesn’t hit for any power vs LHP. Also, he has a .369 BABIP vs lefties inflating his BA.

    He has a real weakness vs lefties.

  103. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Comparing a back issue for a catcher to a mild hammy strain is really dumb.

    —————-

    Elaborate.

  104. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    WC, well we’re just going to have to disagree…………and give me a break about Mo. Mo was not that good of a starter.

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Betsy neither was Joba in the Yankees opinion.

  106. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    typo: s/b……..8th inning guy

  107. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    VY-

    IMO the Giants will not be able to afford to keep all those guys.

    We can. Easily.

    Betsy-

    No problemo. Agree to disagree is fine with me.

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    No LGY – I’ll pass. If you don’t understand the difference between a back problem and a hamstring may I suggest Google.

  109. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    It’s amusing to read all the Liriano talk and the concerns about Hughes. Liriano is much more of an injury risk than Hughes as the last couple of years have shown.

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Ditto Betsy. Agree to disagree is fine.

  111. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    That also wasn’t the point., Mark Newman made it sound like you can just yank pitchers from starting to relieving and it’s no big deal. I don’t agree – just because he knows his job doesn’t mean he’s always right.

  112. MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

  113. Jeff in Canada June 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Besides the jersey he’s wearing, AGon has a weakness?

    First I’ve heard…

  114. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    No LGY – I’ll pass. If you don’t understand the difference between a back problem and a hamstring may I suggest Google.

    ————

    Amusing.

  115. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    GF,

    if nothing is there then nothing is there….they can’t force it….but if I were making a deal then that’s what I would try for. They need the chance of real upgrades or they need to just stay where they are. They are a good team…..they don’t need lateral moves or marginal upgrades.

    Trader,

    Yea….but traditionally Gonzalez and Ortiz have significant platoon spilts and Crawford can’t hit lefties at all. I just think their rotation is better suited for the regular season as it currently is…..doesn’t mean they couldn’t win in October with it…..its just not ideal.

  116. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    There are deals to be made.

    You can get this right handed power hitter right now who is the active NL assists leader in LF.

    Who is he???

  117. Betsy June 28th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    WC, absolutely – that’s what these boards are for.

    As for Joba, what they’ve said is they don’t think he can physically stand up to starting. Ironic as Phil has had nothing but injuries (granted most have been fluky) since he’s been here. If they don’t think he can stand up physically, that’s fine, but in terms of pure performance, they gave up on him too soon.

  118. LGY June 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Drew and Ellsbury are really bad vs LHP as well.

  119. blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    “It’s amusing to read all the Liriano talk and the concerns about Hughes. Liriano is much more of an injury risk than Hughes as the last couple of years have shown.”

    Liriano is left handed and hasn’t had to be shut down because he couldn’t break 90 mph this year. I’m a big Hughes fan and I still believe in him long term…..but I have no idea what he’s going to be the rest of this season and neither does anyone else.

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    That’s not what Newman said. I also think he believes his audience understands what the necessary preparation is to stretch someone out to start or to relieve. I can’t recall anyone that the Yankees shuttled back and forth between starter and relief pitcher precipitously for long periods of time.

  121. blake June 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Stupid MLB network is showing the red sox here :(

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan June 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    “……..I have no idea what he’s (Hughes) going to be the rest of this season and neither does anyone else.”

    **********

    Truer words were never spoken here.

  123. Yankee Trader June 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Blake-

    I’m all for a lefty also in the rotation. I wouldn’t be unhappy if the Yankees got Liriano, but I wouldn’t be jumping up and down like I was when I heard the Yankees traded for Cliff Lee.

  124. blake June 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Trader,

    oh no….I know that. It would be a flyer type deal….

  125. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    MTU June 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Once Zito (2013) and Rowand (2012) are gone in a couple of years they will have more flexibility. Bumgarner is only 21 and Wheeler is still in the minors.

    The Giants have a payroll this year of almost $ 120 mil. and like to BS everybody about how much their stadium debt is. Every team has debt, ownership will have to pony up to maintain what is successful for them. (Pitching)

  126. Vineyard Yankee June 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    blake June 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Liriano has had shoulder problems for several years including surgery. That’s a bigger risk imo than Hughes building up his arm strength.

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