Robertson is better than Soriano but the goal should be to get all 3 of those guys pitching well and that might mean throwing Soriano is a role where he’s happy……Robertson might be more valuable in his previous role anyway…..
Im not interested in placating him either…..but I am interested in him pitching well. A straight set up role probably isn’t as valuable as a fireman and weapon like how Robertson was used before…..all Im saying is that I would rather have 3 guys pitching well than 2 and one pouting.
I disagree. Having a guy in the 8th who you (almost) know can get the job done on a consistent basis is the 2nd most important relief role on the the team. If it wasn’t, Soriano wouldn’t want it so much.
Soriano should have to prove that he can pitch well before he is handed the 8th inning job again. Robertson has been outstanding and there is no reason to give that job to Soriano the second he comes back. Let him earn it.
Right on the spot, but still there is something else at play. look at how they adjusted to marcum, they started to wait for the change up and boom! . There is something intangible that you can’t messure ( luck, grityness, character, more energetic players on the field, a little of everything combined ). But true the pitching couldn’t overcome the injuries it sustained during last season. But in 2009 you always thought that the yankees could win every game , that’s the feeling i get this year.
On merit Robertson should set up because he’s been one of the best relievers in all of baseball……but Im trying to consider what might make the bullpen the best overall…..Soriano happy and pitching well makes it better…..if he’s not setting up will he do that? I hate thinking like that but you never know with that guy…..
I still hope the Yankees can acquire another quality relief picher, as I’m not confident Soriano will get thru the rest of this season without being shut down again. Ayala’s stats are great but he doesn’t instill confidence either.
I’m on the bandwagon for Padre Mike Adams who is rumored to be available.
It will be very interesting to see what the Yanks do with the rotation when Hughes comes back. I wonder if they will send Nova to the minors since he has more options. Colon definitely has a spot and they aren’t going to release Garcia so Nova seems like the odd one out.
Wonder what Hoyer would ask for though from the Yankees?
Mike Adams is making 2.535M. Maybe if the Yankees take on Ryan Ludwick and the remainder of his 6.775M contract that the Padres definitely want to unload, it might not cost too much in the way of prospects.
Trader, Not really a lot, though. Pendleton is a returned Rule 5 and although he’s been good where ever he been since Yankees signed him, really has no spot and could work out of Adams spot, Cervelli is…..well, Cervelli. One of the pitchers could move into their rotation, but, Scranton is getting crowded. Ludwick could help a few teams, but, not in that park, so pick him up…like Berkman last year. Only other possibility is Golson to SD and remove Mitchell/Phelps and find something they might want that isn’t stupid.
Mitre currently has the best ERA 3.27 of his career.
Vineyard Yankee June 29th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Yankee Trader June 29th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Nice that he has that 3.27 ERA…………in the NL. The AL East is a different story, if he gets the chance to pitch that is.
You implied that he couldn’t pitch well in the AL East and I pointed out that he did in fact do so last year.
Can’t you read ? I responded to YT who posted his ERA. The AL East is a different story in that most pitchers ERA’s are higher when they are in the AL East as opposed to the NL.
I implied nothing of the sort that ‘he couldn’t pitch in the AL East’, that is your interpretation only. I prefer Noesi to get the long man innings over Mitre. I hope Mitre’s stay is short lived and he gets the boot when Hughes and Soriano return.
I have watched Mitre plenty of times while he pitched for the Yankees the majority of the time he sucks. I don’t like him and hope he gets the boot when Hughes and Soriano return. I like what I have seen from Noesi and hope he gets the long relief innings.
Go lay your skewed stat crap on someone else Judy.
As far as I can tell, Mitre has had a bad month this year–actually 10 innings–otherwise he has been quite solid this year. I’m not sure why the Brewers gave up on him, but he has been great since 2010–his second year following TJ surgery. He is definitely worth a try. If Mitre works out, he could fill the role that Ramiro Mendoza used to for the Yanks–seventh inning, spot start, jack of all trades.
And frankly, I think that Noesi might be better off in the minors where he would get more regular work.
It really isn’t fair to judge Mitre from when he first got back after TJS. Now that he’s a couple of years removed, we probably see what he really is. And as a sinkerballer he IS the kind of pitcher that needs regular work. Problem is if he’s the long man that’s probably what concerns me most. He gets hammered when he’s too strong.
Gammons doesn’t make anything up about Boston. That is leaked from the front office to him about Lackey. They pulled a similar move with Lowell when there was word he would not waive the no trade clause when they wanted to dump him. That was supposed to remain private but Gammons leaked that Lowell would exercise the no trade and block the deal to Texas so they could hot box him into waiving it.
Don’t know if it’s meant to fire up Lackey, but I know Boston saves money if he goes under the knife. They tack an extra year onto the deal at league minimum or something ridiculous if Lackey has elbow surgery.
How Noesi is used reminds me that Newman’s comments in the No Maas interview were kind of contradictory.
SJK: Speaking of Noesi, do you agree with how he’s been handled this year? He had a great year in 2010, but he’s only pitched 19 innings this season. He goes quite a few days in between appearances. He’s basically stuck in the long relief role. What are your thoughts on that?
MN: Our thoughts are that we’re in an ‘all-hands on deck’ scenario. Our mission is to win games in New York. Our secondary mission is to develop championship-caliber players in our farm system. In the ideal situation, Noesi would be a starter in Scranton right now and be continuing his development. However, we have to return to that priority of winning in New York. In that regard, we are doing what we have to do at this moment. It may not be what any of us like to do, but it’s what we have to do.
Having Montero in NY would also seem to all fall into the “‘all-hands on deck’ scenario.’
Yet Newman said:
MN: Cervelli still would have caught every day because he knows the pitching staff. Joe wouldn’t use Montero, and there was no point using him as a backup to Cervelli.
However, Cash told Francesa that Montero would be called up to be the everyday catcher if Martin went on the DL.
Ayala is not good in high leverage spots and he gets hit hard by LHB. He is basically a ROOGY.
He is not a trustworthy high leverage reliever given his limitations.
I agree that Ayala doesn’t inspire confidence, and he should be limited to low-leverage situations. I also wouldn’t mind seeing the Yanks sell high on this guy before his ERA starts to climb as it almost inevitably must. However, I think that you are pushing the envelope with these stats–they are pretty much a textbook example of small sample stats. I think that you may have it backwards–Ayala has been tougher on lefties than on righties this year, if I’m not mistaken.
“Ayala’s become real important, he’d kind of taken Robby’s spot in the sixth, and now he’s going to be moved up to Robby’s spot in the seventh, so he’s become real important for us. He is a guy that has experience. He’s pitched in the back end of games, which I think is important. What we’ve seen from him is he has his good sinker, he comes in and throws strikes and he has a slider. He’s not afraid. He’s been through this before.”
I also wouldn’t mind seeing the Yanks sell high on this guy
This would be a good idea. Ayala has been mostly terrible in his career, and trading that kind of reliever is what smart teams do because of the volatility. Getting 20 goodish innings out of him should be reward enough for the Yankees.
Girardi also really likes AJ Burnett and Garcia and everyone of his players, whats the point? Ayala hasn’t gotten high leverage 7th inning spots recently. The one time he did Girardi pulled him after he failed to get out the 1 batter he faced. Ayala was the last spot in the bullpen out of spring training and the yankees should not have any loyalty to him. Trading him would be aces if they could get a buyer and something useful back.
Just need to look at Joaquin Benoit last year, 1 ERA in the AL east and now sporting a 4.6 in the Central. Reliever volatility.