No A-Rod, No Granderson, No Martin
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2011 
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Brett Gardner CF
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada DH
Andruw Jones LF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Francisco Cervelli C
Ramiro Pena 3B
I figured Alex would get the day off.
86w183,
needing the players approvals is in direct contradiction of the best interests in baseball clause.
Every other league in pro sports except for 1 league in Japan uses the DH
(reposted from last thread)
You have to bring back CC is he opts out. He’s an integral part of this team and one of it’s leaders now and in the future. The way we all loved how Andy mentored the younger guys the past few years, CC will have that role in the future. Not to mention he attracts free agents who aren’t just purely chasing dollars.
I agree with blake that the Yankees will be proactive when the season ends and just offer up an extension in lieu of opting out so he never has to say those words.
As for the Red Sox, as much as I hate them, I find it incredibly impressive that an All Star 1b and MVP candidate in Gonzalez took one for the team yesterday and walked out to RF to play to help his team get another bat in the lineup. I don’t know what they put in the water up there but they convince those guys to do things like that something many teams, including the Yankees, would never do. That would be akin to asking Tex to go play some 3b so the Yankees could sign Pujols or Fielder because they felt they needed more offense and wanted a rotation of 1b/3b/DH with one of those guys, Tex and Arod.
I’m actually very impressed that the Red Sox are able to get stars like Gonzalez and Youkilis change positions to help the team without fanfare or angst.
Erin,
I figured Alex and Martin would too as well but why Granderson? I just don’t understand why Girardi rests so many guys on the same day. Does any other manager do this?
Ouch.. Erin, that looks like a short line-up or a deep bench
This lineup is still better than 75% of mlb..and CC is on the mound
Is this lineup part of some new Bud Selig “Mercy Rule” policy?
o Hughes and Colon come back and the rotation looks like this:
CC
Colon
AJ
Hughes
Nova
Pen
Mo
DRob
Ayala
Logan
Wade
Garcia
That leaves Gordon. Noesi and Mitre. Do we carry 11 or 12 on the staff ? Noesi goes to SWB to be a SP the other 2 go where ? Then when ‘Sorry Soriano’ returns who goes barring an injury before then ? Wade ?
Triple Short —-
I’m aware that this bad experiment has grown like like kudzu, but that doesn’t mean its a good thing or the right thing.
I believe baseball is a better game with pitchers batting and the strategies that go along with it. No, I don’t like watching ineptitude at the plate, but it’s better than the alternative.
I don’t expect it to ever change.
Selig can NOT override with CBA using the “best interests” clause. If he could there would never be negotiations, labor disputes or anything else. He would have implemented drug testing on his own if he could have.
gregauman Derek Jeter wraps up workout in Tampa. “I’m ready to get out of here.” Heads to Trenton for games Sat/Sun, rejoins Yankees in Cleveland.
I don’t think Garcia would adjust well to a bullpen role. Colon is a better fit for the pen if it comes to that.
They’ll probably keep carrying 12 pitchers, through it is a waste of a roster spot unless you get 3 or 4 lousy starts in a row.
I believe baseball is a better game with pitchers batting and the strategies that go along with it. No, I don’t like watching ineptitude at the plate, but it’s better than the alternative.
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How is it better than the alternative? Pitchers hitting doesn’t add any strategy. It just increases the amount of button pushing moves managers do and takes the bat out of the hands of good hitters. Ohhhh a double switch, feel the excitement of NL baseball.
Perhaps Girardi feels that Sabathia is best equiped to control the other bats than other pitchers. They have no DH for the next 3 days and then 8 more games before the break.
These are the numbers off of Wolf.
http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1
Favorite player nickname of mine=John “Blue Moon” Odom
Brewer numbers against Sabathia
http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1
Sorry Arthie Latham wins: “The Freshest Man on Earth”
Held until Will Smith came along.
Sultan of Swat is an awesome nickname.
Why doesn’t Girardi just call the umpire from home and forfeit the game, so he can save on gas? He obviously put out a bucket and is playing htose that put the largest checks in the bucket…And Andruw Jones in LF!?!?!? I didn’t know JOnes could write such large checks!
We are officially DOOMED!
Triple-I’m actually not too surprised to see Granderson sit today. I figured this would be a big “rest” day. LOL And the Grandyman has played a lot lately.
I’m partial to the Colossus of Clout
enuff red sox love,
they did everything they could to get Fat Ass in the line up and still lost
The Mad Hungarian
High Pockets
The Wild Horse of the Osage
The Commerce Comet
86w183,
Deciding to take a pitcher out in the AL is a much bigger decision then in the NL where you follow a rule book more a less. Pinch hit for a pitcher later in a game when you are losing.
Selig would get sued if he tried to force the NL to adopt the DH and then it would be up to a judge. The next CBA negotiations would be interesting to watch but Selig could do it if he wanted to. Vincent tried to realign thr NL and move the Cubs and got sued and lost
Funny that no one has ever had the nick name “The Proctogist.” I guess that is a good thing,
I don’t dispute that players need rest. It’s a long season. But, why does Girardi rest so many guys on the same day? Why not space it out one Guy at a time?
Typo–you can figure it out.
Maybe I’m out of the loop but does Selig even want the DH in the NL? I thought he was a fan on NL baseball..
Erin,
Ok but then why not rest him on Monday or yesterday. Why does he rest half the team on 1 day?
I don’t dispute that players need rest. It’s a long season. But, why does Girardi rest so many guys on the same day? Why not space it out one Guy at a time?
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Play one game at 70% instead of 5 games at 90%?
Ol’ Tomato Face – Gabby Hartnett
Biscuit Pants – Lou Gehrig
The Schnozz – Ernie Lombardi
The Tall Tactician – Connie Mack
“Im actually very impressed that the Red Sox are able to get stars like Gonzalez and Youkilis change positions to help the team without fanfare or angst.”
To be fair….Alex changed positions in his prime to fit into a spot with the Yanks.
But yea …..I think the Yanks have to work something out with Sabathia right after the season…..just talk to him and see where he is. If he’s going to opt out then just extend him so no drama ensues.
heyman_sux,
Well that is a seperate issue. He prob wants to keep it the way it is but I was bringing up a point where people always say the NL owners would never go for it and my point was Selig doesn’t need there permission
Don Larsen was also called “Gooney Bird” by his teammates. Great name.
Triple-just think of it as they’ve got a really good bench today.
btw–Regarding Mitre–people forget he was coming off TJ surgery his first yer, and was much stronger his second year…which is why his numbers improved. I expect him to be here the rest of the year. He is a good pitcher with low WHIP and can eat up innings while keeping team in game if he gets enough work to keep sharp.
Plus, he knows the role and how to keep himself ready for it. He’s a keeper IMO.
Triple,
Gotcha, was j/w how the issue started. But the point it moot – which I should have known if it was somthing brought up on Kay’s show…
The name that the player hated most. “Cakes” – Jim Palmer
peep the red sox lineup, awesome
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Darnell McDonald, RF
3. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
4. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
5. Jason Varitek, C
6. Josh Reddick, LF
7. Drew Sutton, 3B
8. Marco Scutaro, SS
9. Jon Lester, P
Also, Id love to bring Wilson in at 3/30 or something like that …..but He’s gonna want more than that though and I don’t see the Yanks needs waranting going there .
what, is francona trying to lose that game?
Joe’s probably resting a lot of guys today because the Yanks already have the series won, with victories in the first two games, and because it’s a day game after a night game.
This AAA lineup can actually win this game. CC is pitching so that’s half the battle.
+1 Ed H.
Francona is really only sitting Youkolis. Ortiz doesn’t really count because unlike last night a lefty is pitching today
Jerkface June 30th, 2011 at 10:45 am
peep the red sox lineup, awesome
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Darnell McDonald, RF
3. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
4. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
5. Jason Varitek, C
6. Josh Reddick, LF
7. Drew Sutton, 3B
8. Marco Scutaro, SS
9. Jon Lester, P
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Wow now that is an awesome line-up…sure to score 20-30 runs today alone….man, they are invincible!
I would be very surprised if Wilson does not re-sign with the Rangers. He has succeeded therer and they have money. They will not let him get away.
Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am
what, is francona trying to lose that game?
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You have to take that back asap! That is a secret weapon only for our team!
and I just read the Youkolis is going for x rays on his foot and is sore so he really isn’t “resting” anyone today
RSM June 30th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I don’t dispute that players need rest. It’s a long season. But, why does Girardi rest so many guys on the same day? Why not space it out one Guy at a time?
Probably because he figures CC is going to throw a no-hitter. I guess it makes sense to rest your guys on the day when you reckon you’re going to need to score the fewest amount of runs.
Austinmac,
Yea that’s what Im expecting as well.
Doc Iac June 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am
enuff red sox love,
they did everything they could to get Fat Ass in the line up and still lost
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I think that nickname ranks up there!
I’ll be interested in seeing how Hamels pitches today after back stiffness last outing….
As long as Gardner leads off v. RHP, no complaints from me.
Or LHP with Jeter out.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am
As long as Gardner leads off v. RHP, no complaints from me.
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WHAT!?! Are you TRYING to jinx them?!?!?
Jack Curry tweet: “Kevin Long broke down success of Swisher, A-Rod and Posada 4 me. I’ll pass on the info to you on pregame with @BobLorenz and @KimJones.”
I just have right-brain damage!
One thing we’ve seen over the years is that anyone who replaces A-rod in the 4 spot pops off for a big game. Swisher, Cano, etc So I guess Cano will hit a HR or smash some doubles or something
I hate the Red Sox with a passion. I’m just impressed that they can somehow get players to switch to positions to help the team so easily.
Arod switched to 3b to become a Yankees. It was a deal breaker at the time.
I’ve seen the Red Sox switch Youkilis from 1b to 3b to LF at times and he doesn’t say a peep. With how Gonzalez so easily accepted playing RF I just would love to know how what kind of kool aid they are serving there.
We ask Jorge to bat 9th and he stages a walk out/sick out. The mere suggestion of Jeter moving in the order is met with fear of his reprisal (which I think is false by the way – they just have to ask him/tell him and he’ll do it).
I’m not criticizing our players as much as our management who is fearful of rocking boats here at times.
That said, I hate the Red Sox and I’m tickled that Gonzalez and Ortiz didn’t go crazy yesterday offensively and helped them win the game. Gammons would have written odes of epic poetry if the selfless Gonzalez led to a win like that. He would have had to dictate his article over the phone as his tears would ruin the parchment he writes on with his feather quill.
G. Love,
Thats bbecause the Yankee people care more about public perception then what is int he best interests of the team. Its what lead to Posada getting that 4th year because they thought the fallout would be too big in losing Torre and Posada in the same year
Red Sox are one Jon Lester forearm tendon away from falling out of pennant race….Beckett’s back seems to be troubling him a bit lately…guess they’ll be big players for acquiring studs like Carlos Z, Doug Davis, and other has-beens at trading deadline…
BoJo,
Where did you see Beckett was having issues with his back?
The two names to watch are Garza and Sanchez for the Yankees or the RS or some other team.
Youkilis’ move was truly an unselfish act. Gonzo playing RF one time is not significant.
Jorge’s pouting about # 9 in the order was unprofessional but it hardly overrides a career. Gardner and Swisher moved around in the OF and lineup to help the team. Tex has offered to play 3B.
There’s nothing special about the Red Sawx
Triple Short of a Cycle June 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am
BoJo,
Where did you see Beckett was having issues with his back?
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The Red Sox claimed in his two previous outings that he was battling “flu-like symptoms,” and in his most recent start, reports here were that heis fastball appeared flat…
Plus his history of back problems leads me to believe that there is something going on with it…I suspect he had an epi earlier, and they wear off…
AndrewMarchand Girardi says A-Rod and Granderson just getting days off.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The two names to watch are Garza and Sanchez for the Yankees or the RS or some other team.
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Sanchez to RS wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t think Yankees are getting any starters via trade (don’t need them).
I really liked what I saw with Schaeffer Hall in yesterday’s Trenton game…I think we might see him up at some point.
Which Sanchez? Giants or Marlins?
I think he means Anibal !
DanBarbarisi Joe girardi won’t rule out that Phil Hughes’ next start could be with the Yankees; bartolo colon very likely to start for yanks sat. Vs Mets
Youkalis came up as a 3rd baseman so him moving back there isn’t any sort of demotion though….it actually increases his value even though im not sure he can stay there long term.
JackCurryYES Today’s eye-popping Elias stat: Yankees are 22-4 in day games. Only team in last 50 yrs to win 22 of first 26 day tilts was 1998 Yankees.
I would give Hughes at start at SWB first…..there is no rush and it’ll give him a chance to build a little more stamina and refine things a little bit more.
Chipper Jones moving to left….
When God made Kevin Youklis, he piled a lot of heart into him, and then poured a whole lot of ugly on his face.
See you later during the game.
Bojo,
I haven’t seen anything lately with Beckett’s back, but Buchholz is stil lhave back complaints after trying to throw off a mound. They do not expect him back before the All Star break.
Don’t know if its been posted yet but there is a link to another Newman interview at RAB.
http://www.riveraveblues.com
Blake –
I’m kinda thinking ahead here . .but
Would you go after CJ Wilson next season ? and if so , how many years would you be willing to go ?
Remember that game a few years ago when Youk played LF against the Yanks, at YS?
I remember that game Tom, and IIRC he did not play particularly well.
blakeJune 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Youkalis came up as a 3rd baseman so him moving back there isn’t any sort of demotion though….it actually increases his value even though im not sure he can stay there long term.
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Since then he’s lost quickness afoot and some range of motion. Beltre’s glove has been missed. Give Youkilis another year or 2 and he’ll be a DH / part timer at 1st and 3rd.
Alex has more agility.
Any Yankee fan who follows the team knows we would benefit from adding a quality starting pitcher. We have no solid number two — no one knows if Garcia and Colon will remain injury free and effective for the remainder of the season — Hughes is an unknown right now and Burnett and Nova are who they are. As good as our pitching has been we are ranked 12th in MLB. the air.
Whether we find someone to acquire is going to be difficult, Cashman says he can’t and won’t, which is why I think we might.
I don’t mind giving players rest, but I don’t understand the idea of giving 3 of our starters a nights rest on the same day. Now, it hasn’t hurt us in the past week when he has done it, but if everyone is healthy, why not rest one person yesterday, one today, and one tomorrow? The bottom 4 of the lineup is absolutely dreadful.
108,
I agree…..they miss Beltre’s glove and I also think Youk is a future DH since 1B is taken.
Mike,
I think you have to see where the market is with Wilson……if its 3 years then Im interested, if its more than that Im not. I don’t think their need is great enough to warrant giving him an AJ Burnett type deal.
FoodRepub @Yankees All-Star catcher Jorge Posada helps launch Cinco Anillos sangria @JorgePosadaFndn. http://bit.ly/kcI6Fe
Newman’s comments at No Maas about Montero contradicted Cashman’s with Francesa.
Matt_Fortuna Brian Gordon donated his synthetic glove from his first #Yankees appearance (6/16 vs. Texas) to the Hall of Fame.
thanks Blake !
BoJo June 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am
See you later during the game.
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I can’t wait.
Yankees Checking in to today’s game? Check out Robertson’s party at the HRC after with CC, Russell, Boone and Nick … http://atmlb.com/l4sHIX
FoodRepub @Yankees All-Star catcher Jorge Posada helps launch Cinco Anillos sangria
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I want to go home and drink a bottle of that stuff right now.
Get plastered and help out Jorge’s foundation.
Bronx Jeers-
I’d rather see Posada plaster Wolf and help the Yankee Foudation with a pair of 3 run homers.
I like the sound of that GB
It’ll be interesting to see how Sabathia handles Braun and Fielder, since he’s never pitched against them. So far, Yankee pitchers have limited damage by them and McGeehee.
any better way of keepin track of the game on comp other than gameday? at work with no radio and i love the yankees so much i would even bare listenin to john and suzan if i had a radio
ConorTOrr Colon said the bullpen went well, he’s excited to be back. #yankees
it won’t help to read the posts. They piss and moan everytime a Yankee doesn’t get a hit or the Yankee pitcher gives up one.
ConorTOrr Nova said all he knows about Citi Field is that he watches games on TV and knows no one can hit the ball out. #yankees #mets
ConorTOrr Also, Girardi will explore all options (including 6-man rotation) when Colon, Hughes are both back. #yankees
A 6 man up to the all-star break wouldn’t be bad, they can figure it out over the break.
Erin, all Nova needs to do is keep Reyes off the bases and get Betran out. Pretty simple. I just don’t want Nova wearing out the outfielders chasing deep flies. Don’t want to see their backs because I already know their numbers.
***Beltran***
Legitimate question: Yankees have played so well Jeter went on DL. I know Nunez has not great, but Yanks have play better with Nunez in lineup.
I love lead-in to Sportscenter. ‘We’ll tell you how aggressive the Red Sox will be at trade deadline.’ Are there 29 other teams in major leagues, or is that dream?
Rodriguez spills his guts about his after-career aspirations. He wants to own a baseball team. It’ll be a real fight when Jeter and Rodriguez try to outbid each other for the best talent.
The Dodgers are in last place now……what a mess that is. That team doesn’t have last place talent.
The Yankees have played better since Jeter went out because Swisher, Posada, Gardner, Tex, and Cano have hit and because they have faced a lot of crappy pitching. Nunez has done a nice job but fundamentally he’s still an adventure at SS….he’s got the tools to be a good defender but he’s just not there yet.
Youkilis contract is up after next year, I would assume the Red Sox will not be bringing him back on any kind of big deal anyhow, and will probably pursue other players at that position.
Go hard after Hamels/Kemp in 2013
“Go hard after Hamels/Kemp in 2013″
Yup
GCL Yankees lead 1-0 after 1 inning. Bichette has a triple and run scored
blake June 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
The Dodgers are in last place now……what a mess that is. That team doesn’t have last place talent.
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Doesn’t speak well about our friend the manager. The off the field stuff shouldn’t affect the play that much if at all.
One thing I’ve noticed in the box scores is that Dante Jr walks a lot….that’s really nice Tk see in a 18 year that’s anxious to make an impression and prove he was worth that 1st round pick….I like that.
Alex has the financial edge.
I think Alex could manage. He may not be a Northwestern grad but he seems like an Einstein when it comes to baseball.
I think he’s done a great job this season as a leader on the team.
Days off are necessary. I had a feeling ARod would and Martin. Did not expect Granderson.
Good for them. Rest up and get ready for the weekend series.
Wcyf,
Yea but Im not sure how fair that is given everything that’s going on there……its not a great team anyway…..just not a last place team. They have some good players but also a ton of holes.
GB7,
Would Palmer have approved of “Cutey Pie”?
On another note, at espn’s boston site, there was a big article (which I didn’t read) about Theo not making any big moves at the deadline. The headline says “they made their big moves in the winter”. Adrian Gonzalez worked out. And Wheeler is dealing after coming off the DL, but otherwise how are those moves working out for ya? Is Jenks even on their team anymore?
Blake,
It’s disheartening to watch, but it must be extra painful for Nunez.
BryanHoch So what happens when Colon & Hughes come back? Perhaps a six-man rotation, Joe Girardi says. It’s something they’ll think about.
When Jamey Carroll is your team’s third best hitter, you’re in trouble.
m,
The good thing is that Nunez’s issues are all correctable…..its footwork and concetration mostly. He’ll improve and be pretty good I think…..but in the meantime Ill be glad to have DJ back out there.
Sounds like the Yankees might have a replacement for Jones.
The RS are in the process of releasing Cameron.
Bichette is probably advanced for his age with his training and pedigree. Access to all kinds of great instruction even beyond his father.
It will be interesting to see how he fares while advancing through the system.
As for the non-DH? I vote no. I have a feeling that most of the pitchers would say no, too. Of course that makes them wusses. But I like having the extra batter. I’m not even so much for the DH in both leagues, but definitely not for a non-DH MLB.
New Post w/pregame notes
Well, so much for the queston of power. Montero leads of the 2nd inning with a blast into the right center bullpen.