Postgame notes: “He’s the King here”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jun 30, 2011 
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CC Sabathia tried to pass the credit to his catcher. After 7.2 shutout innings. After a career-high 13 strikeouts. After his eighth win in his past nine starts, Sabathia tried to give the credit to Francisco Cervelli’s game calling.
Not even Cervelli was buying it.
“He’s the King here,” Cervelli said. “I give the target.”
Sabathia certainly received the royal treatment when he walked off the mound in the eighth inning. He’s tied for the Major League lead in wins. He’s the first pitcher since Tom Seaver to win 11 games in each of his first 11 seasons. Today’s 13 strikeouts were the most by a Yankees starter since Roger Clemens in 2002, and the most by a Yankees lefty since David Wells in 1998. The crowd roared their appreciation through a Yankee Stadium ovation that lasted until Sabathia disappeared into the dugout.
“I always think that’s nice for a player to hear that,” Joe Girardi said. “That’s not the reason I pull a guy in the middle of an inning — his pitch count just got so high — but it’s nice to hear. He’s really appreciated here, not only by us but by the fans. It’s good for him to hear.”
Girardi called today’s start “brilliant.” Cervelli said Sabathia’s breaking ball was “unbelievable.” Mark Teixeira said it was the best he’d ever seen Sabathia.
Maybe it was over-the-top analysis of a friend and a teammate, but Sabathia seems to inspire that sort of reaction. After today’s start, he was an unannounced guest at Dave Robertson’s High Socks for Hope fundraiser at the Hard Rock Cafe. He managed to dominate his former Brewers teammates, then speak highly of them in postgame interviews. He was careful to pass credit to Cervelli.
“CC could spend a week on a team and you’d fall in love with his personality,” Girardi said. “That’s the type of guy he is… He hangs out with everyone, he’s not a guy who hangs with a couple guys. He’s a guy that seems to attract people. People want to be around him, which is important, because during the course of the season, everyone goes through tough times. This is a guy you know you can count on that’s going to be the same every day and will be there for you. That’s extremely important.”
There are a lot of easy-to-like players in this game, and there are a handful of truly great players in this game. Sabathia’s managed to be both, and it showed this afternoon.
Here’s the King himself.
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• Mark Teixeira laughed off the idea of career home run No. 300 being a major milestone. “Seeing what Alex did last year and then saying, ‘Oh man, I got 300. Great.’” Teixeira said. “He hit 600 last year, so it puts it in perspective. It makes you realize you’ve got a long way to go.”
• Of course, Teixeira now leads baseball with 25 home runs this season, and according to Elias he’s only the third player in baseball history to hit 25 in each of his first nine seasons, joining Eddie Matthews and Albert Pujols.
• Teixeira’s never had this many home runs before the all-star break.
• All 13 of Sabathia’s strikeouts were swinging. Why? “We just tried to follow the hitters, what they think,” Cervelli said. “Every time we think they’re looking for fastballs, we throw breaking balls, and we change a lot.”
• Sabathia’s take on the strikeouts: “Just making pitches with two strikes. Earlier this season, I was giving up a lot of 0-2 hits and 1-2 hits. Today, we made a lot of good pitches.”
• Is Sabathia anxious about whether he’ll make the all-star team? “I want to go to the Bahamas,” he said. “We’ll see what happens. I pitch Tuesday, then Sunday, so the way I’m scheduled, I probably wouldn’t pitch in the game anyway.”
• Sabathia wouldn’t say whether he’d attend the all-star game if he were selected but unavailable (by the way, he also wouldn’t comment on what he thought about a six-man rotation).
• Bad job by Cervelli to let the one strikeout pitch get past him. Nice job to convert it into an out anyway with a great throw to first. “I’m lucky,” Cervelli said. “That guy runs a lot, and I just grabbed the ball and throw.”
• Sergio Mitre got loose in the bullpen, mostly as a side session to get some work after not throwing in about a week. “Good to go tomorrow,” he said.
• Mitre said he hasn’t been told a specific role he’ll play. “Starters have a role, and other than Robby and Mo, everyone is just mix and match,” he said. “That’s what it looks like.”
• This was the Yankees third shutout and sixth series sweep of the season. The five-game winning streak is a season-high. The Yankees had a total of six series sweeps all last season.
• The Yankees stole four bases in a game for the sixth time this season, doubling last year’s total for four-steal games. They’ve stolen 12 straight bases without being caught.
• In his career, Cervelli is hitting .383 with two outs and runners in scoring position. “It makes me feel happy,” Cervelli said. “I’ve been working a lot with K-Long. I was struggling two weeks ago, and sometimes it’s hard, but you have to make adjustments an try to make everything simple.”
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Opt out or not add a couple of years and increase the total value of his deal. Keep him a Yankee until he calls it a career.
CC not commenting on the 6 man rotation question tells you all you need to know about how he feels about it.
How can there be a 6 man rotaion?
If they try it once and they all look good, Freddy will probably be sent to the pen as a backup starter when someone gets hurt.
I wouldn’t count on Hughes bursting back on to the scene but hope I am wrong.
Romine is back playing and playing well. It sure seems as if he needs AAA time, which isn’t happening with Montero there. I would not be surprised if Romine is the regular catcher for a number of years.
Jorge did not look very good from the right side today. That sure seems to open the door for part time DH and C work. I suspect they want to see him start hitting and that move will occur.
If anyone was ever in a better bargaining position than Sabathia vis-a-vis his opt out, I don’t know who that would be. The Yankees will pay.
The way Martin plays the game, his leadership , his catching abilities, make it seem unlikely Montero will get a crack up here for a long time.
Sorry to say , his greatest value might be in a trade.
Posada and Swisher have been carrying the team for most of June.
They are not bringing Montero up to be the righty DH.
If Chavez ever returns maybe Jones goes.
Crazy to think Nunez doesn’t get sent down to work on fielding.
Thinking we need his bat up here when we have the best hitting in baseball is ludicrous.
If anyone was ever in a better bargaining position than Sabathia vis-a-vis his opt out, I don’t know who that would be. The Yankees will pay
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CC when he originally signed this contract was in a better position and prob Tex that offseason as well. Tex had like a million teams after him.
Cliff Lee last year could qualify too.
If they do a 6 man rotation for awhile it will not affect CC. He’ll be kept on regular rest. You can guarantee that.
Chavez wouldn’t be replacing Jones because they play two different positions.
This place isn’t even a baseball blog anymore.
It’s a forum for sabremetricians and blowhards who think they are experts in baseball and don’t know how to carry on a dialogue.
Nunez adds more to the team than Pena which is why he’ll stay and Pena will go back down to Scranton.
Someone will have to go if Chavez returns.
It’s a forum for sabremetricians and blowhards who think they are experts in baseball and don’t know how to carry on a dialogue.
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That’s how it’s always been.
Pena’s glove is more important than Nunez bat.
He needs to play everyday and work on becoming consistent with his throws.
That’s how it’s always been.
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Since the change in registration we eliminated the imposters but also the personality.
With a lot of work, maybe someday I can be a sabremetrician blowhard.
G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
With a lot of work, maybe someday I can be a sabremetrician blowhard.
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It’s good to have a goal.
mick, there’s a lot less variety & novelty, I’ll grant you.
If they go to a 6 man for a turn or 2, you can be sure that Nova and Garcia will under the most pressure to succeed.
Hughes is a major factor, he is no guarantee.
mick,
I agree with you. If you have any kind of opinion that trends negative on this team or call things like you see them, you get blasted here now. Before people used to criticize Cashman and the players and debate with one another and use points to try to win their arguments. Now you’re just shouted down for expression opinions and thoughts here.
That said, the people who shout me down I’ve barely ever read their posts since they are so uninteresting.
What I’m hoping for is some more provocative posters who wear their hearts on their sleeve and stir discussion.
If everyone is supposed to post that the team is perfect, the players are sweet boys and there is nothing to debate here then this place is dead.
I’d rather see people stir it up with their points about the team and players then the stupid DN wars that have migrated here.
My 2 cents.
mick June 30th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Pena’s glove is more important than Nunez bat.
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If that was the case, Nunez wouldn’t have won the job in ST and Pena sent to Scranton.
Everyone in ST knew Pena had the better glove. Nothing has changed.
sabremetricians and blowhards are 2 different species.
both think they are always right but only one can back it up.
GLOve–
As I posted on prior thread, there is no DN war here. there is one poster who uses two accounts to attack others. He attacks me, or LGY, or Jerkface, or Rich, or Betsy or even Tommieingeorgia.
Please stop lumping us together. He attacks others to get attention…I try to avoid him as a waste of time.
Nunez is just a far better player than Pena. It’s that simple. There is a reason he is asked about when GM’s are talking deals with the Yankees. I’m not worried about his defense in the least – this is just a rough stretch.
Nunez had his shot and has been exposed, for now, as a horrible fielder.
It’s time to go down and work on it.
He is not instrumental to this teams success .
I don’t like people who think you can’t complain about anything. Factually supported complaining is what this country was founded on. So if you don’t like complaining, you probably hate this country.
It’s one thing to stir up legitimate arguments and quite another to stir up arguments that don’t have much basis to them.
I think Nunez stays up. His bat is much better and Girardi can give Arod & Jeter a day off and play Chavez and Nunez and not tank the offense.
As for the 6 man rotation, it doesn’t bother me. I think Colon, Nova, Garcia and Hughes can all benefit from the extra day rest here and there.
Girardi will only consider it to make sure Hughes is back and productive and worthy of taking someone’s spot. While Garcia and Nova will be pitching for their lives in the coming weeks, Hughes has to look good and have consistent stuff deep into the game for the team to jettison what has been working.
BoJo June 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
As I posted on prior thread, there is no DN war here. there is one poster who uses two accounts to attack others.
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The only problem is you are a liar. I have one screen name here. Period. I have also said repeatedly to have LoHud corroborate that. If I have more than one I will leave forever.
Got it? Prove it.
Bojo,
Didn’t realize it was one guy stirring up the pot like that. I check out when I see you guys fighting on here so I missed the posts.
Nunez will never be Omar Vizquel, but the pressure of replacing Jeter, even for a few weeks, has probably weighed on him. All things considered, I think he has done ok.
Look this blog was never a Mensa forum.
it’s a Yankee baseball blog.
it’s just that it has devolved into a immature group without any leadership.
I think Nunez has done very okay. I’m happy with the way he played. He didn’t cost the team anything and was part of a strong surge this team has made of late. He gets props from me for that.
What was more immature than Pete Abe’s inane, serial attacks on A-Rod?
# mick June 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Nunez had his shot and has been exposed, for now, as a horrible fielder.
It’s time to go down and work on it.
He is not instrumental to this teams success .
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Yeah, he kinda is. His struggles on defense aside, he’s played well in Jeter’s absence and the team continues to win without him.
Pena has had his issues with the glove at times as well and he swings the bat like it’s a wet newspaper.
Glad to see I haven’t missed much in the last couple of days.
GF,
If that shot is at me, I don’t get it. I legitimately have concerns about handing Hughes back his rotation spot and I value the work the 5 guys have done this season. I don’t think is an argument without basis.
Pete Abe was the leader here like him or not.
He policed this place and it was a better blog for that.
That is what I meant by leadership.
Oh, moderation. Yeah, that’s needed, but Pete was a transparent hypocrite.
Oh, moderation. Yeah, that’s needed, but Pete was a transparent hypocrite.
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who cares what he was, to me he was just another poster.
BS. The only time abraham pulled out his poice badge was on people that disagreed with him and he thought of as the enemy. He was and is as petty as anyone on here.
***police***
I nominate Betsy to be our new leader. She stirs discussion better than anybody on here.
betsy is too sensitive for these parts.
From June 14th-June 28th Nunez hit .295/.354/.409.
Unfortunately, he’s 0-7 the past 2 days but still has the Mets series to boost his numbers back up before Jeter gets back.
I definitely think his performance in Jeter’s absence has been a success.
G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Bojo,
Didn’t realize it was one guy stirring up the pot like that. I check out when I see you guys fighting on here so I missed the posts.
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Thanks–others like Blake and Tar watched and came to realize who the troll is. Check with them if you like.
# G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
GF,
If that shot is at me, I don’t get it. I legitimately have concerns about handing Hughes back his rotation spot and I value the work the 5 guys have done this season. I don’t think is an argument without basis.
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No, it wasn’t a shot at you at all. It had nothing to do with your Hughes argument.
I just don’t agree that making an argument without a legitimate point to support it is good for this forum.
People say stupid things on this blog all the time. It doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be challenged for said comments.
wait til Nuney throws one away in a big spot…
My deal with Hughes is that he’s become something more than just Yankees pitcher Phil Hughes. He’s become some sort of allegory for the future of the Yankees.
Did the Yankees stunt his development? I can’t really say. I guess if it works, it was the right way and if it doesn’t it was the wrong way.
yankeefeminista June 30th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Glad to see I haven’t missed much in the last couple of days.
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Evening, YankeeFem. How was the trenton game yesterday? A FRIEND was there yesterday, also. He/she was going to look for you but didn’t want to walk around and ask everyone if they were YankeeFem. I said that they should just look for the young lady pestering the scouts with the radar guns.
BoJo June 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Your same old garbage about WC or I using two accounts, I post as VY. Knock off your nonsense, it’s tiring and no one here wants to hear it. Loser.
This place is FAR better with Chad manning the helm. GB and Rich are dead on.
We’re talking about the same guy who hated A-Rod so much that he made perhaps the dumbest comment ever on this blog that the Yanks were a better team WITHOUT A-Rod based on their play in ST.
Nunez has been a great asset on the bases. I love his aggressive base running. I think he can play a role on team by cutting Jones and giving Nunez his time…but Pena to me is the better back up SS…especially for late inning replacement.
PeteAbe was Yankee hating Red Sox fanatic. Why not stir things up and attack Arod?
Tom,
I don’t feel the Yankees stunted Hughes development at all. I feel he has more of hand in it than people admit. In 2008 he was getting shelled in the early part of the season, kept telling the team he was fine and then finally admitted his ribs hurt him and he hit the DL for a long stint. According to many he injured himself in spring training or early in that regular season.
This season his arm didn’t feel right, but he kept denying it until the team DL’d him. Even when he was undergoing tests he was still saying his arm felt great. Then when they finally gave his the cortisone shot he admitted that his arm didn’t feel good from the get go.
If he knew his body better or was more forthcoming with the team with how he felt, he could have rehabbed this in the spring and been part of the team a month sooner.
The injuries and how he’s dealt with them are what’s gotten in the way of his development. Not the Yankees.
Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
My deal with Hughes is that he’s become something more than just Yankees pitcher Phil Hughes. He’s become some sort of allegory for the future of the Yankees.
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Great point. He IMO is just another asset that is part of the depth in pitching Cashman wanted to create. If he becomes an Ace, great…if a trade chip for a big piece, just as great. I agree that he must earn his starts, just like every other player.
When Eric Chavez is activated Pena is likely sent down.
When Soriano is activated Gordon is sent down.
When Hughes is activated it’s a decision with Ayala, Noesi, or Nova.
Greg Golson can be called up anytime and Andruw Jones DFA or given outright release.
Cashman may not need to go outside the organization at the 7/31 trading deadline and risk giving up too much for getting too little.
Nunez stays up…..if they were going to choose Pena over him then they would have done it out of ST.
Sabathia shows all the time why they have to bring him back or just extend him so he doesn’t use the opt out……they need to approach him and see where he is…..if he’s opting out then make it worth his while not to. It seems a lock that he would use the clause……but then again this is the same guy that threw on 3 days rest like every start down the stretch heading into free agency.
# mick June 30th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
PeteAbe was Yankee hating Red Sox fanatic. Why not stir things up and attack Arod?
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Real journalists are not supposed to let their personal biases get in the way of their reporting.
108 stitches June 30th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I don’t think we can send down Gordon or ayala…no more options. They will have to be DFA’d or traded.
I go with Nunez. He’s had problems in large part because he’s been asked to play a variety of positions. It’s also in his head a bit, I think, and that’s been contributing.
Joe and the coaches see this, as well as us. They made the calculated decision that they would rather have Nunez than Pena, in large part because of the other parts of Nunez’ game.
The kid needs to play to get better. Unfortunately, any utility infielder will not see much playing time, due to the high level that Alex, Jeter, and Robbie play at. Maybe 1-2 games per week, at different positions.
You need to take the good with the bad. That’s life. I go with Nunez over Pena.
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My hunch:
CC
Colon
Hughes
Burnett
Garcia
Rivera
Soriano
DRob
Wade
Logan
Mitre
Ayala or Gordon (fight for last slot)
Martin
Cervelli
Tex
Cano
Jeter
ARod
Chavez
Nunez
Gardner
Granderson
Swisher
Dickerson
Jones vs Golson vs Pena (I’d cut Jones and make Nunez the 5th OFer and use Pena as utility man)
Nova and Noesi go to SWB for more development. Using either in ling relief is a waste. Best to have them stretched out and ready in case of need.
# BoJo June 30th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Nunez has been a great asset on the bases. I love his aggressive base running. I think he can play a role on team by cutting Jones and giving Nunez his time…but Pena to me is the better back up SS…especially for late inning replacement.
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But Pena isn’t going to be a late inning replacement for Jeter, A-Rod, or Cano unless the game is out of hand one way or another.
I do think Cashman is going to make a big trade. I don’t know what it will be. But the upper minors is too full of pitching prospects and the team is going to have to trade some of them or risk losing them in the rule V draft.
He’ll make a deal to try to get value from guys he may lose after the season.
Disliking Rodriguez was one thing. He was hardly alone on here, but, his excuses were that because he used a tanning booth he was a phony and an exhibitionist because he was in Central Park WITH HIS FAMILY, and was getting sun with his shirt off. That must have been an unusual thing with only 1,000 people a day doing it….many of them males.
Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
You need to take the good with the bad. That’s life. I go with Nunez over Pena.
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When Chavez comes back, Nunez will get very little playing time…unless he is given Jones’ role. And if that happens, I would want Pena for back up SS.
“who cares what he was, to me he was just another poster.”
A really petty one who uknowingly played out his insecurities in almost every post.
Journalists is too all encompassing of a term. One should differentiate between a reporter like a beat writer; and an editorial writer.
Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
But Pena isn’t going to be a late inning replacement for Jeter, A-Rod, or Cano unless the game is out of hand one way or another.
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That’s EXACTLY the innings I am referring to.
“wait til Nuney throws one away in a big spot…”
Then remember the big hits that he already got in big spots.
G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I do think Cashman is going to make a big trade. I don’t know what it will be. But the upper minors is too full of pitching prospects and the team is going to have to trade some of them or risk losing them in the rule V draft.
He’ll make a deal to try to get value from guys he may lose after the season.
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If I were him, I would trade those who will be Rule 5 eligible for someone who is arbitration eligible…that we can make a deal with to offer arb and be denied.
Or, the other option is to package them in off-season for a deal not available now.
Joe In LI, I expect to see Nunez and the yankees make a deal with one of the Dominican teams to give Nunez a lot of outfield and shortstop play this winter. That was the plan last year, but, he got hurt and missed the majority of the winter season. Perhaps they can hook him up with Tony Pena’s team.
# BoJo June 30th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
But Pena isn’t going to be a late inning replacement for Jeter, A-Rod, or Cano unless the game is out of hand one way or another.
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That’s EXACTLY the innings I am referring to.
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When the game is out of hand then it doesn’t really matter who they stick in there. They aren’t going to keep a guy for something like that unless it’s September with expanded rosters.
They decided to keep Nunez over Pena is ST and I’d be willing to bet that’s what they’ll do yet again when Jeter returns.
G Love, that’s a good point about Hughes being less than forthright, to put it kindly, about his injuries. And that, most likely, is why he is where he is right now in terms of his development.
Pitching through pain is one thing, denying that the pain was there is something different. He should have, as you suggested, told the team he felt pain from the get-go.
Bojo,
I do think Cashman is laying in the weeds waiting to see if the Dodgers are open for business. If they are and payroll slashing is the name of the game, he’ll empty the system for some of their stars.
But, the Dodgers aren’t open for business when it comes to their stars.
Do we really know whether or not Hughes was forthright with Girardi/Cashman/Rothschild?
Warts and all, this is still the best blog on the Yankees. It is the first place I go for news and commentary on the team.
Cashman has done some of his best work this year.
GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
yankeefeminista June 30th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Glad to see I haven’t missed much in the last couple of days.
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Evening, YankeeFem. How was the trenton game yesterday? A FRIEND was there yesterday, also. He/she was going to look for you but didn’t want to walk around and ask everyone if they were YankeeFem. I said that they should just look for the young lady pestering the scouts with the radar guns.
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Evening, GB. The Trenton game was very good, indeed. Thanks for asking. I was within view of 3 radar guns, and therefore was able to record the velocity on every pitch Hughes threw with nary a pester. Just had to choose among the cornucopia of choices. Very good start for Hughes. Nice mix of pitches. Velocity sat 92-93 on FB to the very end, some nice cutters to lefties, tight curves, very nice start. Melky Mesa made a catch at the wall. One of Hughes’s 3 hits was a Mack misread. Lyerly didn’t miss a beat, moving up a level, hitting an opposite field single and a 2 run homer.
Some here mentioned watching the game. Was it televised?
Giuseppe Franco June 30th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
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I agree they will keep Nunez over Pena…I’m saying they should keep Pena over Jones. Gives JG the option to use either as needed.
They’ll add an OF in all likelihood.
Nunez will get work at second and short with a little late inning outfield play when jeter returns. Unless Martin’s bat picks up, they can’t afford to have Pena and Martin/Cervelli in the same line-up. Jeter will hit…maybe not .330, but he will hit and produce runs.
G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Bojo,
I do think Cashman is laying in the weeds waiting to see if the Dodgers are open for business. If they are and payroll slashing is the name of the game, he’ll empty the system for some of their stars.
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IIRC, you are out in LA and closer to this, but as I understand it, the court will appoint someone to sell the franchise if it is in bankruptcy. While I think one strategy would be to get ride of high cost players by selling them off for cash to pay debtors (which Selig might approve), it seem smore likely that the court appointed official will not move any assets…Thus no trades.
Now, they could send Nunez down and have him get more time in the OF so that he could play both INF and OF by August or so. His bat looks pretty good.
108 stitches June 30th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
When Eric Chavez is activated Pena is likely sent down.
When Soriano is activated Gordon is sent down.
When Hughes is activated it’s a decision with Ayala, Noesi, or Nova.
Greg Golson can be called up anytime and Andruw Jones DFA or given outright release.
Cashman may not need to go outside the organization at the 7/31 trading deadline and risk giving up too much for getting too little.
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Chavez in Pena out.
Hughes in Gordon out.
Noesi has apparently lost the long man role to Mitre. Who is getting to boot to accommodate Mitre ? And Colon ?
Nova has pitched well enough to keep his rotation spot imo.
Soriano appears to be the last one to come back based on his recovery time. Then who ?
Real journalists are not supposed to let their personal biases get in the way of their reporting.
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What does reporting have to do with being a blog antagonist?
Abe was playing Yankee purists in here and obviously it worked.
Surprised the intelligencia don’t see through his ploys.
Not.
Rich,
What we do know is Hughes was asked publicly how his arm felt all season when the results and velocity weren’t there and he kept saying the arm felt fine. Either he’s Bruce Willis in Unbreakable and doesn’t know how to recognize/feel pain (which is possible) or he doesn’t want to admit when something is hurting for other reasons.
He only admitted his arm didn’t feel right to the press after he had the cortisone shot. He could had that shot at the end of the spring and be pitching for us earlier this season.
GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Nunez will get work at second and short with a little late inning outfield play when jeter returns. Unless Martin’s bat picks up, they can’t afford to have Pena and Martin/Cervelli in the same line-up. Jeter will hit…maybe not .330, but he will hit and produce runs.
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What makes you certain that Martin’s slump wasn’t due to his back and toe problems, and that with rest, he can’t pick up where he left off in April?
Gardner
Granderson
Tex
Arod
Cano
Swisher
Posada
Martin
Jeter
Funny how that lineup looks just right.
Maybe sometime after #3000 if this current hot streak ends.
Those who were picking Pena over Nunez in ST were wrong then and they will be wrong again. Nunez is a significant prospect – Pena is a utily guy.
G. Love
Right. I’m merely raising the possibility that his discussions with the powers that be were more candid. If he was lying to them, then he is not nearly as mature as he is often given credit for being.
Bojo,
I live on the east coast. I work in LA, but I don’t have to live there. I just travel there for work from time to time so I don’t have a real pulse on the Dodger situation. I’ve tried to read the LA Times when out there and it’s horrible. I just know it’s a mess in Dodgerland and they are bouncing checks there already so if the name of the game becomes cut their financial obligations, Cashman will pounce.
Did Hughes definitively admit he was experiencing pain vs. fatigue? If so, link please.
G. Love June 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Bojo,
I live on the east coast.
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Wow! That’s a surprise! For some reason, I thought you were out there full time. But it sounds like you have the best of both worlds. I would prefer to live in NYC and only visit LA as well.
Rich,
It’s a fair point. Although, I think if Hughes told him his arm felt dead and didn’t feel right they would have sent him a lot sooner for some of the major tests than they did. The one thing I notice about the Yankees is when someone pulls something, they are in the MRI machine before you know it.
Since people are sensitive in here about throwing out the suggestion that Hughes lied about how he felt when asked, let’s just say it nicer and say he didn’t realize what he was feeling was something to be concerned about so he kept it to himself, lol.
Either way, with the ribs in 08 and this situation this year, he could have been in rehab/healing mode a lot sooner if he articulated how he felt better.
Sounds like a good time, YankeeFem. I didn’t see the link of a televised game yesterday, but, listened to it. I wonder if the jeter games will make the televised schedule. Bats are thumping again tonight. joseph with 3 hits, Johnson with 2 more hits. Romine and Mesa with a pair of hits. If he gets the strikeouts down, he’ll be a monster. That is one big kid with huge power. whitley just finished 2+ innings of shutout relief and Romanski with one shutout inning and will likely close it out. Unfortunately, Garrison had a rough 5 innings.
BTW–Joba also didn’t feel pain as much as others did for his elbow. Perhaps Joba and Phil just have high pain thresholds.
yankeefem,
He did. I read it. Let me see if I can find it. It’s in the article’s that were written immediately after he took the cortisone shot.
Can’t take the Hughes conspiracy theories.
Cue Betsy.
I’ll leave.
Martin hit about .195 for May and June. He wasn’t hurt for two months. A little homer happy, maybe.
Thanks, GLove.
The Dodgers bounced a $497 check today to an employee. The bankruptcy court holds the cards now.
GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Martin hit about .195 for May and June. He wasn’t hurt for two months. A little homer happy, maybe.
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I want to see a larger sample size before I classify him as a hitter.
From the NY Post;
Hughes was first diagnosed with a tired arm, then with inflammation of his right shoulder, which was treated with a cortisone shot.
Now he said he is putting all the problems behind him.
“I just kind of let it go,” Hughes said. “All I know is that I feel good now so it’s easier to deal with that. I’m feeling like myself. If I were struggling, it would be a lot harder to sleep at night.”
There’s another article where Cashman says right-hander Phil Hughes is feeling “significantly better” after a cortisone shot last Thursday for his ailing right shoulder.
Who cares what Martin hits. The pitchers and his teammates love him and he is a leader on this team, probably the toughest player we have.
He is the reason Montero is still in AAA.
I care if Martin hits. As I have said, having a HoF or near HoF catcher in Posada (because of his bat) was a major reason they wont five rings. The pitchers didn’t love him and it didn’t really matter.
btw, I think Jeter, A-Rod, and Tex are damn tough.
Martin hasn’t hit enough for you?
The guy is also a great catcher and AJ would be lost without him.
GB, love Joseph’s bat. 2B’s and BB’s. I wish he had a position. Melky M. is a dynamo. Swing can still be long though. I need to watch him bat more vs. breaking balls. However, I will see a lot of AB’s over the next couple of days. I will see Betances pitch tomorrow, and Jeter’s game on Saturday. In the latter game, I’m seeing Heyer pitch for the first time. First game where I won’t have to worry about being around radar guns. Every other game I have been to this year has been either Betances or Banuelos (except for the Hughes game).
“Surprised the intelligencia don’t see through his ploys.”
When you got through his ploys there was someone way too thin skinned to be dishing it out as much as he did because he doesn’t take it well when it comes back at him.
This was a post from Chad here on May 4 – there are tons of things posted by the Chad and the bloglords that refer to Hughes admitting he feels much better after the shot. I probably read most of it here that gave me the opinion he finally admitted his arm wasn’t feeling right after the shot.
“Brian Cashman just revealed that Phil Hughes had a cortisone injection on April 28. Hughes met with Dr. Ahmad today and has told the Yankees that his shoulder feels better since the shot.
Hughes never mentioned any pain in the past, and he hasn’t thrown, so I guess we have to assume that Hughes’ arm feeling “better” indicates that it feels stronger. Cashman said he wasn’t sure exactly what Hughes is feeling that’s different from before.
Dr. Ahmad is suggesting two additional weeks of rest before Hughes starts another throwing program.
“He believes that the shot is going to do the trick or has done the trick,” Cashman said.”
Martin has sucked offensively since April, so no, he hasn’t hit nearly enough.
From MLBTraderumors.com:
Royals GM Dayton Moore told MLB.com’s Dick Kaegel that any move the team makes before the trade deadline would be something “we felt would help us long term.” Kaegel notes that Jeff Francoeur, Melky Cabrera, Jeff Francis, and Bruce Chen are all candidates to move.
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I’d take Melky back for some of those Rule 5 kids we might lose anyway. Put him in place of Jones.
Martin has sucked offensively since April, so no, he hasn’t hit nearly enough.
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hasn’t hit enough to warrant him as the catcher?
GB @9:23 – thanks for that tidbit. Makes sense. I really think they hold onto Nunez, barring a blockbuster deal. He’s a pretty good backup plan for Jeter, as Jeter and his contract move on.
A guy can be jesus behind the plate but if he is hitting .190 he won’t be there long.
Disliking Rodriguez was one thing. He was hardly alone on here, but, his excuses were that because he used a tanning booth he was a phony and an exhibitionist because he was in Central Park WITH HIS FAMILY, and was getting sun with his shirt off. That must have been an unusual thing with only 1,000 people a day doing it….many of them males.
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If you are a star like Alex, you don’t take off your shirt to sun yourself. Not in NY in Central Park where you will be photographed. Ever seen Jeter do it? No, because he doesn’t want attention. Thankfully, Alex learned from that.
hasn’t hit enough to warrant him as the catcher?
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He hit .194 .309 .302 .612 from May 1st on. Thats not good enough. He can be as intangible as you think and thats still not good enough. Thats why I advocate for bringing Montero up. I think if they played him less he wouldn’t get so run down and a healthy martin is obviously an asset.
Alan Horne closes out the Trenton game by striking out the last hitter with a blazing fastball. He walked the first batter before closing it. 2nd save. Looks like a new closer in the making, if he stays healthy.
“hasn’t hit enough to warrant him as the catcher?”
He seems to wear down playing as often as he has. I think both he and Montero should split time, maybe 90 games for Martin and 70 games for Montero.
But if he hits like he has in May and June, he’s a BUC, meriting far less games.
I think Martin has done what they brought him in for…..which was to be better than Cervelli and to buy some more time for Montero. I’ve been happy with him….
But if he hits like he has in May and June, he’s a BUC, meriting far less games.
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I can see your point and it might be what Yankee brass are thinking, the season is still young.
GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Alan Horne closes out the Trenton game by striking out the last hitter with a blazing fastball. He walked the first batter before closing it. 2nd save. Looks like a new closer in the making, if he stays healthy.
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Good for him! I wish him well…
This is the greatest photo of any athlete ever taken.
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-con....._Jeter.jpg
Martin has struggled with the bat lately but he’s been banged up and I think that’s had something do do with it……he will probably settle in somewhere between his awesome start and his bad stretch the rest of the way……he does that and he will be fine.
GB, knock on wood. It would be great if Horne can finally stay healthy.
I think Martin has done what they brought him in for…..which was to be better than Cervelli and to buy some more time for Montero. I’ve been happy with him….
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Right, as a stopgap he is ok but not someone to commit to long term. I hope he starts hitting more in the 2nd half. Getting the ASB off will do him some good.
It would be pretty cool to see Alan Horne make it to the majors with the Yankees. That poor guy has been through the ringer. When you look at all the prospect rankings from the last decade his name was consistently near the top.
blake, or Martin’s being banged up will be the status quo. Especially if Girardi overplays him. The bat has to be productive. Or else one of our long time attributes becomes a detriment.
People here thought Gardner, Swisher, Posada, Logan, and other swere bad at some point or other. I think the Yankee management is more patient and believes Martin will bounce back and be able to play 120 games per season. The back and toe injuries (and whatever other ailments he may have had) hindered what looks to be a very good offensive catcher. I peg his potential (IMO) at 20 homers, 20 SBs,260/350 OBP, and a Gold Glove. And his defense is such a difference maker that I catch him as many games as he can take.
Another great day at the stadium. CC was amazing. What an ovation he got when he left. Lasted a long time. Nice to see/hear.
The wave, on the other hand, was annoying.
RMS June 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Disliking Rodriguez was one thing. He was hardly alone on here, but, his excuses were that because he used a tanning booth he was a phony and an exhibitionist because he was in Central Park WITH HIS FAMILY, and was getting sun with his shirt off. That must have been an unusual thing with only 1,000 people a day doing it….many of them males.
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If you are a star like Alex, you don’t take off your shirt to sun yourself. Not in NY in Central Park where you will be photographed. Ever seen Jeter do it? No, because he doesn’t want attention. Thankfully, Alex learned from that.
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He was on an off day and wqith wife and kids. He wasn’t bothered by the publicity, but, idiots like abraham was. Of couse, if he had done it, The Cousteau society would have been there to see if they couldn’t save the beached whale and try figuring how it got so far from the ocean.
Are you saying that Rodriguez isn’t afforded the same freedoms as others?
Thanks for the quote, G.Love. However, cortisone shots treat inflammation. Having a cortisone shot doesn’t necessarily indicate pain per se is present.
The body of work for Gardner, Swisher, and Posada being able to hit well are far, far larger than Martin’s.
Bojo,
If the Yankee management had the patience of fans (like myself) half the team would be DFA’d.
The Yankees are very patient and don’t overreact. Sometimes they get rewarded for it and sometimes they’re too patient.
In this case Posada, Swisher, Gardner have all rewarded the team for it’s patience with them. The three of them have helped drive the engine this past month.
Schilling talking about the Sox – Phillies series says the next big game for these teams is the All Star Game because it decides home field advantage for the World Series.
He also said that if he’s CC there’s no way he would opt out for more money.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
The body of work for Gardner, Swisher, and Posada being able to hit well are far, far larger than Martin’s.
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Martin won IIRC 2 Silver Slugger awards before he started partying too much. I think he has shown he can be a good offensive catcher.
“Martin won IIRC 2 Silver Slugger awards before he started partying too much. I think he has shown he can be a good offensive catcher.”
His OPS+ hasn’t been league average since 2008.
Jerkface June 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
A guy can be jesus behind the plate but if he is hitting .190 he won’t be there long.
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Only Jesus can be Jesus, and he would never hit only .190.
Until this season, but that’s only because of his unconscious April.
Those of us who defended A-Rod while dictator Abe continuously took cheap shots at him were labeled as A-Rod apologists.
Montero and Martin can really compliment each other, and they should get that going sooner rather than later.
YankeeFem, not sure what the plan is in trenton, but, looks like Whitley is getting the Robertson roll of 6th and 7th roll for now, with Romanski setting up. I guess that they’ll maybe shift it to them at the 7-8-9 innings. If there was room in the rotation, Romanski would be there. The bats are starting to come around, but, the defense at shortstop is a nightmare. Lyerly appears to be the new first baseman. Maybe it will help with him on defense to not be moving between the corners.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
“Martin won IIRC 2 Silver Slugger awards before he started partying too much. I think he has shown he can be a good offensive catcher.”
His OPS+ hasn’t been league average since 2008.
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Which was about when he started chasing Hollywood life.
yanksfem,
I think my interpretation is that post shots, Hughes admitted to the team his arm (specifically shoulder) felt a lot better. Either he wasn’t feeling pain in it or couldn’t recognize there was something not right early on or he knew his shoulder had something wrong with it but kept it to himself.
Either way with the way the ball was coming out of his hand this spring I wish they gave him that shot in March/early April. His return timetable would have been accelerated and he wouldn’t have opened the season in the rotation to poor results.
That said, if he’s healthy and can pitch deep into games with the stuff he showed early on last year he helps the team win without a doubt.
I just have fallen for the guys who Hughes is rumored to jettison from the rotation. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what Nova, Colon and Garcia have done this season and I’d hate to see any of those 3 slighted.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Montero and Martin can really compliment each other, and they should get that going sooner rather than later.
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I’m sure they have good reasons for letting him develop more…he’ll come up when he is ready.
“Which was about when he started chasing Hollywood life.”
May-June 2011:
.194 .309 .302 .612
He fell off the wagon hard this time…
Those of us who defended A-Rod while dictator Abe continuously took cheap shots at him were labeled as A-Rod apologists.
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The blog was better then and more people frequented it.
The guy was a Red Sox fan, god forbid one ever came here now, he/she would be crucified.
He was pushing your buttons and you responded with hate and he laughed.
“I’m sure they have good reasons for letting him develop more…he’ll come up when he is ready.”
Cash told Francesa that Montero would be the starting catcher if Martin went on the DL, and Newman told No Maas that Cervelli would be the starter.
It sounds fishy to me.
Hopefully they are showcasing Nunez to trade for Anibal.
Houston’s dropping a Texas size rock on the Rangers.
And the Yanks gained ground on the East, except for Boston. Pittsburgh really hurt Toronto this week.
Are you saying that Rodriguez isn’t afforded the same freedoms as others?
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I’m not saying that. I have lived in NYC for a great many years and the paparazzi are everywhere. So if a “star” does anything it will get on TV and in the papers. That was my point. And I think at that time Alex liked being noticed.
There’s reasons for the mass migration and it ain’t because Abraham left.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
“Which was about when he started chasing Hollywood life.”
May-June 2011:
.194 .309 .302 .612
He fell off the wagon hard this time…
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Or was playing hurt or slumping…again why I want a larger sample size before classifying him
The fixation on Alex was a result of reporters letting their so-called objectivity be clouded by their dislike for the player. When it came to Alex, there was no such thing as dispassionate reporting.
Abe would have hit back at the morons who caused people to leave.
People often talk about how intrusive the NY media is, but a few years ago, the press when to John Elway’s house during Halloween to see what kind of candy he was giving out. I can’t recall that level of scrutiny here.
Which was about when he started chasing Hollywood life.
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One thing you should know about Martin before believing the Hollywood lifestyle thing is that he has been a serial excuse maker in his career.
It’s one of the reasons Dodger management decided to part ways with him. Every time he has struggled I’m his career he has blamed it on something different.
One year he got too big so it was hurting his swing and the next year he lost too much weight so it sapped his power.
Whenever I think of Pete, I think of this post he directed at Giuseppe Franco:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-704410
“Or was playing hurt or slumping…again why I want a larger sample size before classifying him”
Yes, given his last few years it appears unlikely that he can catch 120 games.
I always felt that Pete Abe didn’t have the courage to go after A-Rod as obsessively and irrationally as he did if he wasn’t being reinforced by some people in the Yankees’ hierarchy.
GB
Whitley never had a set inning down here in Tampa. I don’t think they manage the bullpen like a big league bullpen down at this level just judging by who they bring in close games with men on base. The only who seems to have a defined role is Flannery who has assumed the closer role.
They’ve scheduled a DH for tomorrow unless it rains again. I’m hoping Quintana still gets the start in the first game and then ill get my first look at Mikey OBrien in the 2nd one. 14 innings of Slade Heathcott also makes me pray for no rain.
Peter Abraham March 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Giuseppe Franco:
If all I did was blandly report the news, my blog would have died in 2007. And I interpret being professional by working hard to bring you guys as much information as I can. I think having some fun is part of this blog both for me and most of the commenters.
evening, TY. What was the reason marshall was removed after 5 innings, yesterday? Pitch count?
Whitley is a lot like Robertson from what I can tell. Lots of pitches and multiple innings. Very surprised at how fast he’s moved up in one year.
I’d like to see quintana pitch, but, guess I’ll have to wait. You guys finally have some bats and arms down there, now, just pray for defense.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
“Or was playing hurt or slumping…again why I want a larger sample size before classifying him”
Yes, given his last few years it appears unlikely that he can catch 120 games.
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Rich–you know I respect you highly, enjoy your sense of humor, and your posts….but on this issue, we just see it entirely differently. Time as always will tell what happens…but I think Martin is our catcher for the future (3-4 years) at 120 games per year unless he has a significant drop off–which I don’t believe will happen. I see Montero as our Dh or trade bait. I think the FO will make the right call on this one…they have more info than we do.
# Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Whenever I think of Pete, I think of this post he directed at Giuseppe Franco:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200…..ent-704410
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Oh, the irony. He was so dead set on tearing A-Rod apart and trying to make me look stupid that he made perhaps the dumbest comment ever in the history of Lohud.
Unfortunately, Pete split before the 2009 postseason so I didn’t get the chance to remind him of said comments and rub his nose in it.
Was “part of the fun” being a hypocrit? he yammered on about Rodriguez’ steroids and completely downplayed giambi with the “he admitted and apologised” BS. The only reason the media like Giambi was because he bought the drinks and was the pipeline to the clubhouse. He was a snitch.
Off to bed for me–good night all.
“Or else one of our long time attributes becomes a detriment.”
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Yep. Up the middle offensive production has been the foundation for success of this team for..well..forever.
With Jeter declining it becomes even more important they get upper tier offense out of the catching position.
but I think Martin is our catcher for the future (3-4 years) at 120 games per year unless he has a significant drop off
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And the Yankees would love this scenario as they aren’t as high on Montero as most of you are and would love to deal him for a frontline pitcher and for Martin to succeed.
# mick June 30th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Peter Abraham March 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Giuseppe Franco:
If all I did was blandly report the news, my blog would have died in 2007. And I interpret being professional by working hard to bring you guys as much information as I can. I think having some fun is part of this blog both for me and most of the commenters.
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Chad Jennings says hi.
He doesn’t go out of his way to be a clown and the blog seems to be running as well as it ever did.
BoJo
Thanks, but trading Montero for someone not named Felix or a superstar offensive player in his mid-20s will make the Buhner for Phelps trade seem inspired.
This team has won five rings because they got great offensive numbers, relative to the rest of the league, at SS, C, and CF.
It seems likely that they aren’t getting that out of the SS position for the next two years. To give that up at C would be unbelievably misguided.
Martin to this point just isn’t good enough offensively to be a starting catcher for the NYY for very long.
GB, Trenton’s infield D could be better. Thank God that Suttle and not Lyerly is playing 3B. Pirela is a far cry from the days of Pena and Nunez. Luckily for the infield, with the Killer B’s around there are very few balls hit.
I haven’t seen any of the “new” Trenton bullpen, but likely will this weekend. I also may actually see more fielding plays in one game with Heyer pitching Saturday than I have most of the season while watching Betances and Banuelos.
Watching the Houston/Texas game. One asked what the state animal of Mass. was. The first thing that came to mind was, “Are trolls animals”?
Now Schilling just said Robertson has been the best reliever in the AL.
Smart man.
He doesn’t go out of his way to be a clown and the blog seems to be running as well as it ever did.
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Really?
Is that why the hits are 1/2 of what they used to be ?
G.Love, not sure what they will do with the rotation. However, it is a long season and pitching decisions have a way of solving themselves based on injuries and need. I love what Garcia has done; however, if Hughes’ velocity maintains and he can command his FB, he really does have to start. Colon and Nova need to stay in the rotation.
An .800 plus OPS catcher in this offensive environment would be a huge advantage….
Pete Abe was also petty enough to send crazy emails to those on the blog he didn’t like.
You’d never see Chad or Sam participating in that kind of crap.
If I recall, GB received several of them.
“Are trolls animals”?
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No. They are people who disagree with you.
Jeers, it is a no-brainer. Don’t give Schiller too much credit.
YankeeFem, Heyer is a ground ball machine. It’s a pity that he gets no more “respect” than he does. He gets completely overlooked, and I think Romanski will get that treatment, too.
Schilling, not Schiller. lol.
The hits may have decreased but it sure as hell isn’t because Pete is gone.
This team has won five rings because they got great offensive numbers, relative to the rest of the league, at SS, C, and CF.
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One last comment from me.
I think there are many paths to winning…I think pitching played a big role–then, now, and in the future…and I think defense can be huge too–bigger than back then. They can also get offense going forward from CF, and better output from 2B, LF, 1B, and 3B than they had back then. And certainly can get a bat at DH that they didn’t always have back then. They don’t necessarily need to follow the exact same formula.
Why do you think the hits are down?
GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
YankeeFem, Heyer is a ground ball machine. It’s a pity that he gets no more “respect” than he does. He gets completely overlooked, and I think Romanski will get that treatment, too.
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Isn’t it always the case with groundball pitchers though. Even ones as formidable as Wang once was. Guess Heyer is the best choice for Jeter’s first rehab game then. It will also be instructive to finally see Heyer pitch vs. watching him chart pitches.
Many good posters were driven off this place.
GF, I still have 15 emails. I kept them as souvenirs. Makes for fun reading on a slow night.
Many good posters were driven off this place.
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Why would posters leave if this place wasn’t going downhill?
BoJo
The value that Montero would have at C even if he is only Piazza-like defensively would be amazing, and especially while he is cost-controlled.
Martin isn’t in that universe.
YF, just call him Shill #2. Of course, the original Shill is Gammons and his “Gam Cam”.
# GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
GF, I still have 15 emails. I kept them as souvenirs. Makes for fun reading on a slow night.
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I can imagine. I’d actually like to read those someday. The guy just didn’t like it when people called him on his BS.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
BoJo
The value that Montero would have at C even if he is only Piazza-like defensively would be amazing, and especially while he is cost-controlled.
Martin isn’t in that universe.
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We disagree. I think Montero can bring his positive value to Dh role and not lose any value for bad defense. Martin can bring high value defensively, and still do fine at bat–at least as well as some of the DHs we had in past.
But hey–having different opinions makes the world go round. Pleasant chatting with you as always. Have a great night.
Speaking of Wang, sounds like first rehab start went well, and he will start his second rehab game for Hagerstown on Saturday.
People often talk about how intrusive the NY media is, but a few years ago, the press when to John Elway’s house during Halloween to see what kind of candy he was giving out. I can’t recall that level of scrutiny here.
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I think the difficulty with dealing with the media in NY is that they are so unforgiving and highly critical. It is more about being constantly scrutinized, so you need thick skin to deal with it.
I would think other cities feel more intrusive where athletes can’t even go to dinner without being hounded for autographs or pictures.
Rich in NJ June 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
BoJo
The value that Montero would have at C even if he is only Piazza-like defensively would be amazing, and especially while he is cost-controlled.
Martin isn’t in that universe.
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If Montero produces as we expect him to, completely agree.
Enough of this Hughes love.
The guy’s been babied by everyone for far too long. Ivan Nova–that’s right, Ivan Nova–is pitching better than Hughes right now. So is Freddy Garcia. So is Bartolo Colon.
One of them will break down by September. Hughes should get his chance then. Earn it for once. I’m sure he’ll be a good-great pitcher somewhere, but maybe not New York. He hasn’t pitched like an even mediocre ML starter for nearly a year.
The starting rotation is a strength of this team right now with Hughes out of the rotation. Why mess it up?
How ridiculous and infantile some here are — pontificating about Martin’s partying life in Los Angeles as if they know anything. The majority of athletes out here do exactly the same thing and Martin was no worse than any others. Many of the Lakers, Kings and Dodgers live in the beach communities, and they are out all the time doing what twenty something millionaires do.
YF, I’m really hoping the CMW makes it back to somewhere close to what he was.
LMAO. I had actually typed that I was pulling for him, but, luckily I realized it before hitting send.
GB
We are thinking of writing a letter to Brian Cashman asking if Eric Chavez can do his rehab down here to help out our gloveless 3rd baseman and give them some tips.
As for Marshall, he is quickly approaching his innings limit of 130. They want him to last the whole season so they put him on a 95 pitches or 5 innings plan. He was rolling so it definitely wasn’t pitch count. It was also a blowout which gives them time to give their other BP arms some work.
Quintana has been doing well, he kind of had a bump in the road his last game where he didn’t do well in his few innings but I’m hoping that’s a fluke, he’s been so good this year so far. He pitches multiple innings so I think he can go at least 4 tomorrow.
Marshall is a groundball machine as well. Those pitchers definitely rely heavily on good defense. The good thing with Segedin, despite the throwing errors is that he’s not afraid of the ball like Lyerly, he also isn’t above diving. I don’t think Lyerly ever got his uniform dirty.
PittsburghYankeeFan, shouldn’t you be off, locating Jagr? I hope he is going to Pitt.
As for Hughes, he has been injured, so how has he not “earned” it?
This blog is significantly better as a blog under Chad (and Sam). These guys put up a lot of quality posts, frequently, have a better coverage of the minors, and offer measured commence sense analysis of situations.
Say whatever you’d like about the comments section around here, but the actual meat of this blog (the stuff Chad controls) is top notch. The work is appreciated.
GF, the infatuation and almost stalking of Kim Jones was bordering on pathetic. I looked at who he follows on Twitter, just out of curiosity and the amount of Hollywood starlets that he follows is scary. I almost pray for their safety. Wonder how Ol’ Kim feels about being thrown over for Heidi?
The only thing that bothered me about some of the emails were the ones deriding my military service. That’s when I started getting personal on here with the public remarks to him.
How ridiculous and infantile some here are — pontificating about Martin’s partying life in Los Angeles as if they know anything. The majority of athletes out here do exactly the same thing and Martin was no worse than any others. Many of the Lakers, Kings and Dodgers live in the beach communities, and they are out all the time doing what twenty something millionaires do.
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Martin has spoken a bunch of times about his lifestyle in LA and claims that he was partying too much.
It is the reason he decided to live in Westchester instead of Manhattan.
Yes, I know he has, but so do many athletes. They all go out and perform and I would not equate any performance issues Martin had to partying. You see athletes all the time out very late drinking and partying.
PittsburghYankeeFan June 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Enough of this Hughes love.
The guy’s been babied by everyone for far too long. Ivan Nova–that’s right, Ivan Nova–is pitching better than Hughes right now. So is Freddy Garcia. So is Bartolo Colon.
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Who says? Phil Hughes 2010 season is better than Nova’s season thus far. Your memory must be a bit hazy.
Ivan Nova just has less expectations compared to Hughes. Hughes had a pretty good campaign for a first go around as a starter.
I wouldn’t either, but that is what Martin was selling this offseason as to the reason for his poor play with the Dodgers.
This was Martin in 2010 explaining his poor 2009 season:
At this time last year, Martin was about 25 pounds lighter, and he is convinced that led to his season-long power outage.
“I just didn’t have the weight behind me,” Martin said. “I think it just didn’t translate well into my offense. As far as using the weight, transferring weight to hit the ball, it kind of faded for me a little bit.”
http://articles.latimes.com/20.....-2010feb24
Who knows what to believe?
Believe me Kemp and Jeff Kent were far worse. Martin played too much. 155, 151, 143 games played three years in a row is just too much.
GB,
How are you doing tonight? You know I miss you and a few others, but the craziness isn’t worth my time. I do read Chad’s blog, but the quality of conversation in here is so bad at times I am amazed.
Same old stuff for days on end.
The last couple of weeks have been fun to watch and I only hope that it continues past the ASB.
Maybe it will be quiet over the holiday weekend and we can chat.
Yes, I know he has, but so do many athletes. They all go out and perform and I would not equate any performance issues Martin had to partying. You see athletes all the time out very late drinking and partying.
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Go ahead and disbelieve Martin himself on the matter, but then I find it quite ironic that you would then try and use Girardi’s public words on Ayala for anything. Ayala the 7th inning guy (if the yankees are ahead or down by 5 runs)
I guess you didn’t see LGY’s post at 11:07. Dismissed fool.
PeteAbe got into it with a Yankee fan today on Twitter.
Pete tweeted, “Fans in Philadelphia booing Drew. Get over it already, it was 1997.” A Yankee fan tweeted him and said “would that be similar to beat writers who no longer cover the Yankees but still bash A-Rod whenever they can?”
The “hillarity” then ensued with Pete telling the Tweeter he had no life and he was trolling him. The person said Pete then switched to private direct messages so no one else could see what he wrote and called him a “stoner who lacks intellect” among other things.
As I said earlier, way too thin skinned and defensive for someone who likes to talk as much trash as he does.
It appears that the trading season has started early. Oakland has traded Mark Ellis to the Rockies for a minor league pitcher and a player to be named later.
O’s send down Matusz.
O’s send down Matusz.
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Remember when the Blue Jays and Orioles had all that great young pitching?
I’d like to know how Martin’s hip labrum problem last year has anything to do with late night partying ? ?
I guess you didn’t see LGY’s post at 11:07. Dismissed fool.
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You didn’t understand the point of the post, which is to show that Martin makes a lot of different excuses. That is what he said in the 2009 offseason, this is what he said in the 2010 offseason:
“I had some distractions that maybe led me not to have that same drive that I’ve had in the past,” he said. “Really, that’s all it is, honestly. I didn’t train quite as–I trained hard, but before, nobody trained as hard as I did.”
Martin wouldn’t explain what those distractions were, though Steve Dilbeck of the Los Angeles Times notes that there was concern “in some quarters that Martin was too much the Hollywood party guy.” Also, there was the matter of his distracting girlfriend.
Martin, who turns 28 next month, insists that his problems/distractions/slack attitude are behind him and he is looking forward to joining the Yankees. He said he chose New York over his hometown Toronto Blue Jays because the Yankees have a better chance to win the World Series, but I think it’s because the Yankees have stars who can party, date starlets and play hard, all at the same time. Jeter, A-Rod and the gang can teach him much.
“I think I’ve got a lot to prove,” he said, “especially with the last couple years that I’ve had.” He’s right about that.
Badged.
The thing with great young pitching is there are often steps necessary and patience needed between young and great.
Good evening SAS. You and the others are missed here too. A lot of people know why you and the others left and it’s a real pity. Some of the funniest things were discussed on here but, the “Bert And Ernie” mittens and the off the wall stuff is what made this place fun. Good baseball talk certainly got it rolling, but, the other stuff gave the joint personality. The other BS and stalking is what caused the rest of the best to leave. Chad does put out a lot of info on here and is much appreciated.
Hope all is well in the S. home and with you. Are you still playing Fantesy Baseball, and what place are you in?
pat June 30th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
PeteAbe got into it with a Yankee fan today on Twitter.
Pete tweeted, “Fans in Philadelphia booing Drew. Get over it already, it was 1997.” A Yankee fan tweeted him and said “would that be similar to beat writers who no longer cover the Yankees but still bash A-Rod whenever they can?”
The “hillarity” then ensued with Pete telling the Tweeter he had no life and he was trolling him. The person said Pete then switched to private direct messages so no one else could see what he wrote and called him a “stoner who lacks intellect” among other things.
As I said earlier, way too thin skinned and defensive for someone who likes to talk as much trash as he does.
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pat, I swear that wasn’t me. I can’t vouch for GF, though.
“I can imagine. I’d actually like to read those someday. The guy just didn’t like it when people called him on his BS.”
I have a couple of really good ones myself.
For me this was the last straw. He really crossed the “Being a journalist” line by using this handle.
“ARoid’s Cousin “No Speaka Dee Ingles” February 17th, 2009 at 9:42 pm” At least 3 times that day he used that handle.
Mick who knows how many “hits” were generated by PA himself. NoMaas caught him doing that as well.
BTW–How do I know it was him–he used his full name in his post. Pete A would not get through the filter. DT was the one who later caught his slip up.
Good question…..
Ledger_Yankees Tonight’s bit of crowdsourcing: What jumps out at you as some of Jeter’s most memorable regular season hits?
Almost 3000 to choose from.
If we were playing Family Feud, the “Gehrig” hit would probably be #1 but what would be #2 thru #5?
GB,
I am 4-8, but I have learned a lot about how to do it. If I play next year, I will take a different tack. It’s fun though. I came in first overall last week. A good group of people play.
If we were playing Family Feud, the “Gehrig” hit would probably be #1 but what would be #2 thru #5?
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I wouldn’t put the Gehrig hit at #1. But I’d probably have a lot of more meaningless hits in my memory. Jeter’s walk off from when Varitek hit a solo shot off mariano to tie the game. Jeter taking schilling deep over the monster. Jeter’s 1 grand slam. Jeter’s first hit (which is only memorable in hindsight I guess), gehrig record breaker
SAS, you’ve got about the same record as the Florida Marlins. You should apply for the managing or GM job for next year.
As long as you enjoy it, that’s great. Are you real active or just stay with the same team?
I thought of the Grand Slam. Couldn’t remember a walk off.
Of Jeter’s regular season hits, his April 1996 home run in the snow storm in Cleveland on Opening Day off of dennis Martinez for his first career homer.
I guess the Jeffrey Maier hit doesn’t count, huh?
Stroke of Midnight November 1st 2001:
Might need to press replay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Soriano did this too to win a series game in 2001 at midnight
Wait 2 minutes if in EST and play the homerun
GB,
There are 14 teams so Mr Wonderful doesn’t just appear. I have learned to be active if my guys aren’t behaving the way I want them too, but they are usually not too many desirable players. Jeff Karstens saved my day today. The other thing that I found interesting is that just because a player has a high average that doesn’t make him the best player especially if he strikes out all the time. A single and a K are equal; no points in that. I have Jose Reyes on my team and he has been awesome lately…fingers crossed. Halladay is my best pitcher.
That whole Pete Abe rant back and forth with that Yankee fan played out on Twitter was pure entertainment. Great stuff.
Pete is such a dork…
“O’s send down Matusz.”
His name always reminded me of a wine we drank in hs.
Sounds reall good, SAS. I’ve never played, but, then, I’m not much into computer games and fantasy. A lot of people love it. I’m just not one of them. I still get the twins a couple of days a week, and then, I take 4 days to rest. The other days, I just waste. I’m getting ready for a new baby to spoil. I’m going to make this one really rotten. I’m getting plenty of practice.
Remember when the Blue Jays and Orioles had all that great young pitching?
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Remember when they were supposed to be dangerous foes not to underestimated? 9.5 12.5 games back
Don’t discount Baltimore, when Buck learns to focus his rage, cities will crumble.
GB,
Congrats on the new one. I am having another grandson around Labor Day. I don’t see mine 2 days a week. He has lots of planned time so it is tough.
I am going to call it a night. Talk to you soon.
Oh where oh where could my two-iron be . . .
Memorable Jeter regular season hits vs Boston:
1. From the ’06 five game Fenway sweep: slashed bases clearing double down right field line (Jeterian) that was key hit to comeback in the nightcap of the Friday doubleheader; went back to game chart to see why this one was so dramatic: two outs, 3-2 count, 8th pitch of at bat vs Timlin, increased win percentage from 24% to 66%.
2. From same series, Sunday night ESPN game: Yanks are down to last out, and on verge of wasting Melky on third with no out, as Papelbon has blown away Bernie and Damon. Jeter fists a blooper into right off Papelbon’s best fastball, game into extras, where Yanks win.
4. From four game August ’09 Stadium sweep: tie game 0-0, bottom 15th, Jeter leads off against the Sox “sensation” (Tazawa) making major league debut. Tazawa throws same perfect fastball on the hands and Jeter fists same blooper into right center. Two outs later, Alex delivers walkoff homer.
Jeter’s bloopers are all the more memorable because they drive Sox fans so creatively and profanely insane. Best time to read the SOSH board.
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Wow-no posts since 1:30 am!! Am I the only sucker who’s actually working today???
BTW, we are now officially in A.J. Burnett month
And apparently it’s Canada day, so happy Canada Day
I was just reading through the comments from last night…….I actually think that one of the main reasons the # of comments is down from the past is because registration has reduced the number of trolls. We still have some but they aren’t every other post like before……and those posts counted towards the total even though they were nonsense.
We have lost some good posters here due to other reasons and Im hoping they come back at some point……but IMO the blog is in better shape today than it was a year ago at this time. Chad does a fabulous job and I actually love the wide ranging opinions found here as long as they pertain to baseball or something else interesting. I miss Doreen, SJ and the others though and hope they return one day.
Beat those Muts!
Good morning Yankeefem and Erin:
Looks like Jeter will be playing in Trenton Sat and Sun with a trip to Cleveland for Mondays game. Wonder were he will bat if the Indians start a righty?
I watched the Trenton tv feed of Hughes from the 5th inning until relieved in the 7th with one out. Yankeefem-you were at the game-it looked like his curve was terrific and he was gettting batters out with it plus the high fastball strike. However in the 7th, pitching from the stretch, he seemed to lose his command. Did he look ready to start for the Yankees in Cleveland?
I thought we were down, but apparently not. Non GA, non-standing room Tickets for weekend Jeter games are being scalped on Stubhub for $95+, face is $10-$12. Luckily, I got my Saturday tix before they sold out. Seeing Betances tonight, and hoping he has better fastball command. Happy to miss the as usually overly hyped Subway Series.
Golden star to whoever can give me the artist who sang this lyric: ” Im gonna rock your body all the way…..gonna rock your body til Canada Day”
*as usual* overly hyped
Blake-
Is his first name the name of a city in Texas? Had to look it up. Sorry!
Good morning, YT et al. Hughes looked pretty close to mlb ready. Very good command. Most of his K’s were on 4 seamers in the 92-93 range.
Was there a live feed of the game, and what was the source? Is the game archived?
Trader,
Nah….hint. its not a real singer.
YF, I’m sorry to miss Yanks-Mets this time around, not because of the hype but because both teams are playing well & it should be a fun series. But miss tonight I will, since I too am seeing Dellin’s start.
During Hughes’ Trenton start, after a particularly impressive display by him of location to both sides of the plate, an old scout walked up to Betances, seated and charting pitches, put his arm around him and said: “If you can command that fastball of yours like that, you’re gonna make a lot of money in this game. A lahhht of money…”
I longed for a drum stick and cymbal to hit
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Morning Yankee Trader
Prufrock, lol. It is a good learning experience for Betances and Banuelos to see how effectively Hughes commands that FB. It is what both those boys need to work on.
Nobody gets the golden star…..I thought Erin would know for sure.
Yea Hughes looks ready for prime time to me.
Going to see Jete tomorrow also. Should be a mess at Waterfront early, but I’ll sneak in an hour & half of Yanks-Mets & still comfortably arrive to the ballpark.
Have a feeling once DJ gets into a rhythm, the time off is going to have the effect of a real tonic.
blake July 1st, 2011 at 8:54 am
Nobody gets the golden star?..I thought Erin would know for sure.
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blake-I’m totally stumped.
Blake, I know the artist is not Roger Doucet.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
Yea Hughes looks ready for prime time to me.
Going to see Jete tomorrow also.
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How cool!! Have a great time
Erin,
Robin Sparkles (on How I met your mother)….maybe you don’t watch that.
Blake-
Who but the paper cares if the # of hits is down ?
The real question is the quality of the posts not the sheer quantity.
Good people were driven off by the super stalker and the petty in-fighting. It had absolutely nothing to do with PA disappearing.
I do agree that he would not have stood for some of the BS that goes on here. The other side of that coin was his heavy-handedness and
Biases towards certain posters.
I appreciate what he got started here but personally I don’t miss him at all compared with Chad.
my 2 cents.
blake-that explains why I didn’t know. The only episode I’ve ever watched of How I Met Your Mother was the one where Swish was on.
Yankeefem-
I got the live feed from tomingeorgia.
tomingeorgia June 29th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Live TV from Trenton http://www.mamigoinc.com/thunder/
Erin,
Gotcha…..its hilarious though….you should watch that video. Its called” Let’s go to the Mall”.
Golden star to whoever can give me the artist who sang this lyric: ” Im gonna rock your body all the way…..gonna rock your body til Canada Day”
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Robin Sherbotsky?
MTU,
True…..I miss those.posters as well. But I think its also easy to forget how bad this place got there for awhile with the imposters and trolls……the game threads are still rough but I just haven’t seen as much of the every other post nonsense of late……maybe its because they are winning
New one ==>
“Robin Sherbotsky?”
Yes….stage name Robin Sparkles.
I read something where Betances seemed to be coming around on his aversion to pitching to contact. Can’t remember where it was, but that’s sort of why I’m not as concerned about his command as some big sticking point in terms of him having long range success.
It’s understandable that a kid with his stuff wants to make everybody whiff. I think what happens is he gets into this thing where he doesn’t rely on the natural movement he gets when he’s right & starts aiming outside (primarily where he misses) rather than letting the velo and life just take care of the trajectory that makes that thing dance out & up at the tail end & they’re swinging at air. That fastball that ends up up and away is devastating because it looks middle until it’s too late. That’s going to be a hallmark for Dellin & that’s what I haven’t seen of late.
When he was missing disastrously inside also in his last outing I saw, the worst I’ve seen from him. I hope he’s cleaned that up.
blake-that’s one of those shows that I feel like I should watch. I’ve had a number of people tell me it’s really good. I don’t know why I never started watching it.
New Post: Yankees rolling through interleague
Erin,
I understand……its hard to.start new shows…..it is good though
Let’s go to the Mall with Robin Sparkles:
http://www.myspace.com/video/m.....l/31224478
Very funny Blake