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Gordon optioned

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Gordon was optioned to Triple-A to make room for Bartolo Colon. Joe Girardi said Gordon will pitch out of the rotation in the minors.

No further rotation decisions have been made.

“I want to get through today and see what happens today,” Girardi said.

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78 Responses to “Gordon optioned”

  1. LGY July 2nd, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Hmmm. Looks like Sherman is 0-1

  2. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Gordon was very unimpressive, but if this was their plan, Noesi should have gotten his starts.

  3. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Perhaps Noesi is their plan to back up Hughes’ first rebound start.

  4. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    GB ? I think you?re spot on target. Nova has shown he?s capable of succeeding at the same level as Garcia, and between the two, Garcia is the more expendable for the Yanks. While not a youngster, he?s a proven vet on a one-year contract. That?s very desirable.

    There are a number of targets whom Cash and the Yanks would be very interested in, starting pitchers and starting OFs. Later this month could be quite exciting. Garcia, Noesi (I think they?re really starting to believe in the longterm future of Ivan Nova), Cervelli, Warren, maybe even Swisher or Gardner?? (I think they hold onto Montero, Banuelos, Betances.)

  5. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Can’t argue with demoting Gordon. Noesi and Nova? I think there’s stuff happening that we have no idea of, stuff that involves lots and lots of cellphone calls and talent evaluations…..

  6. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    How about Freddy Garcia and Brett Gardner for Colby Rasmus?

  7. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    From the last thread:

    That has zero to do with this team and personnel. Martin has been spectacular behind the plate and has been adequate at the plate; he’s going through a slump, catchers take a beating. I credit much of our pitcher’s success to him – Nova’s start yesterday is a good example.
    __

    It has everything to do with roster construction going forward. Again, this team won in large part because they got stellar offense up the middle. They aren’t likely to get that from Jeter any more, so it would be dumb to depart from a winning formula when they have someone like Montero in the organization.

    Plus, Montero’s presence could keep Martin fresher and more productive.

    You keep saying what players on the team think. You know that they really want to do? Win. Having players like Montero make that far more likely than Martin can ever dream about.

  8. LGY July 2nd, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Nova to AAA for Hughes and Noesi to AAA for Soriano?

  9. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Soriano is really coming back at some point?

  10. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    And you would think Chavez died. What’s taking him so long?

  11. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Chavez wasn’t looking for a starting job for a reason.

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    “I don’t think Gordon has any options…so sending him down is DFAing him…I suspectt hey keep him and send Noesi down for Colon”

    *************

    Ooops.

  13. BoJo July 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I am really surprised that a guy who has been in the minors so long has any options left. Thought he would have had to have been DFA’d.

  14. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Joe,

    Not sure what a trade target for Cashman would be for a pitcher like Garcia. Not really major needs, unless it’s a lefty reliever, but, Logan seems to have a new delivery and it’s working. Looks like he’s dropped down and scaring the lefty hitters to where they aren’t willing to stand in the box against 94 MPH side armed lefties. It will be something to watch for against Gonzalez, Ortiz and Ellsbury, or Markakis. I’d be looking at a couple of future postion players in a deal.

  15. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    The Yankees need a number two to match up with the Phillies or Giants. I would target Billingsley or Carpenter.

  16. BoJo July 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    _______
    Trolling already? Trying to get attention? You certainly have shown your true colors last night. I think everyone here now truly understands what you are.

    Well–I have no intention of wasting time arguing with you. Go find someone else to troll.

  17. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Why trade a 36 year old pitcher having success and going out and picking up an injury prone 37 year old pitcher from the NL having a down year? Yeah….that makes sense.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Yawn.

  19. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    GB – Garcia would be part of a mutliplayer deal, I think. Something to fill a rotation for the rest of this year, and younger players to slot into their rotation in 2012 and beyond.

    Billingsley, Rasmus, maybe even Kemp. Who knows? Who suspected David Justice, or Curtis Granderson?

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    I didn’t say who I would deal, I said I think we would benefit from having a Billingsley or Carpenter.

  21. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Joe, yeah, a multi-player deal, but, WHO? Rasmus would be nice, but, with Pujols out, can’t see them trading offense. Carpenter makes little sense. Billingsley, I could see, but, can’t imagine them moving Kemp…maybe Ethier instead?

  22. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    GB – As far as Rasmus, it would be a real indication of LaRussa’s power within the organization. Everything indicates he can’t stand Rasmus. Beyond that, I have no clue. My point in bringing up David Justice’s name is that that deal was totally unexpected. And for Ricky Ledee? Totally unexpected.

  23. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    I’d like to see Cashman looking into Markakis. He’s too good to have lost his power bat. Gotta hope Angelos goes on an extended vacation and MacPhail traded Markakis to his grandfather’s old team.

  24. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    If the Yankees ever make a significant deal with the O’s hell would freeze over.

  25. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Joe,

    the Justice may have shocked the baseball world that year. And then turn around and trade justice two years later for a solid year of Robin Ventura. That Cashman’s a sneaky little bugger.

  26. kd July 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Rasmus would be a huge coup for cashman, sane for trading montero or manban. that guy might hit 40 hrs in yankee stadium

    does anyone understand why larussa can’t stand him? is he a punk or is it just a personality mismatch?

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Billingsley (saving Dodgers $35 million) and Ethier (saving Dodgers arbitration and a big bump from $9.5 million) . . . for Gardner, Nova, Noesi and Romine.

  28. 86w183 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Cannot imagine the Orioles moving Markakis, but he’s a helluva talent.

    Doesn’t look to me like the Yanks will do anything major, at least not until they are sure about Hughes and Colon. Chavez and Soriano will also be significant additions later this month.

    I’d love a major upgrade at back up catcher and 4th outfielder, but let’s remember they do have the best record in the league.

  29. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Bautista touches up Halladay for #26, a solo shot

  30. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    I suspect that if the Yankees make a significant trade, it will be because some other GM makes an offer that can’t be refused for one of their players/prospects, because the Yankees have so much depth.

  31. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    kd, in order for it to be a personality mismatch, LaRussa would first have to have a personality. He’s a jerk who thinks he invented baseball..

  32. 108 stitches July 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Still too soon to get serious about deals. Let’s see how Hughes continues to progress and how soon Soriano and Chavez are to returning. The sellers come forward around 7/20 and talks heat up.

  33. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    I like both Chad Billingsley and Colby Rasmus as well.

    If either can be had without giving up Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Romine or Sanchez, you squeeze that trigger with as much elf-climbing death grip as you can muster, Senor Cashman.

  34. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    The problem with Soriano/Chavez is that even if they return, I’m not sure you can count on them to remain, particularly Chavez.

  35. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    I think the issue with Rasmus is more of an issue between Rasmus’ father and LaRussa and LaRussa pegs Colby Rasmus as the closest target to hit.

  36. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    GB – that IS his personality.

  37. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Living in St. Louis, I’ve said for a while that I’d love to see Rasmus in pinstripes. The guy isn’t having a great year this year at the plate (he’s hitting about .260) and Cards fans really aren’t too fond of his defense in center. That being said, he’s a 5 tool player who is still only 24 years old. I wouldn’t trade a guy like Gardner for him but I’d stay on his radar. Jon Jay has kind of passed him in popularity here but Rasmus has much more upside. Just have to keep his father off of the internet. He constantly posts on a Cardinals message board about the club mishandling Colby. He’s hurting his son’s career imo.

  38. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    I’d love to have a word with his father on this message board. That would be hilarious.

  39. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Tyler, if you hold Gardner and trade for Rasmus, where do you play everyone in the OF?

  40. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    joe, if Rasum got away from LaRussa, I think you would see a progression from Rasmus like Cinncy has had in Jay Bruce.

  41. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Bret-

    He seriously posts all over Cardinals message boards. And it’s pretty obvious who he is, I don’t think his screen name might even have his name in it. He constantly talks about Larussa and how the club is not handling Colby right. Even said last year that they were turning him “into a Brett Gardner type hitter.” It’s a pretty funny situation.

  42. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Garcia gets tossed aside like he’s done nothing. I like him – he’s pitched great – and Joe, I don’t agree about Nova proving as much as Garcia. I don’t get this desire to trade Freddy, as if (a) Nova is a lock to be good in the 2nd half (see Phil, 2010) and (b) as if Freddy’s#s are flukish and (c) as if there is no benefit to having a rock solid veteran at the back of the rotation.

  43. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Rasmus is really a corner outfielder, but he is St. Louis’ best center field option.

  44. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Bret-

    I wouldn’t resign Swisher. I’d go Gardner-Granderson-Rasmus although that is a lefty heavy outfield which could be a problem.

  45. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Rasmus is really a corner outfielder, but he is St. Louis’ best center field option.
    ———————-

    Absolutely. I really don’t think he’s been as bad of a center fielder as Cards fans make him out to be but he came up with a lot of hype about his defense and hasn’t totally lived up to all of it. I would take him over Jon Jay any day. I think Jay is already peaking plus Rasmus is younger.

  46. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Rich, agreed about Gordon/Noesi. When Cashman compared Gordon to Rasner/Karstens/Moseley, that just made me really wonder. I mean, they obviously weren’t fooled by his minor league #s into thinking this guy could be a very good pitcher, so why they felt it was that important to not lose him is puzzling.

  47. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    GB – I prefer to think of O’Neill’s career after he left Piniella. Something like that is truly a “change of scenery” thing.

  48. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    garcia is a tire patch. Nova is more of the future than Garcia…and he’s no more of a lock to continue this pitching than Nova. Garcia and or Colon will move on after the season…Nova will be in NY.

  49. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Rasmus – Granderson – Kemp – Now that’s an OF to be proud of!

    (If LaRussa wants a Gardner type of player, well, that could be arranged.)

  50. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I wouldn’t hesitate to trade Gardner+ for Colby Rasmus but I’m bearish on Gardner as a long-term solution in LF and think Colby Rasmus is a better hitter.

  51. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Joe, a perfect anology. Piniella and O’Neill were like earth and water…together they made mud. That’s what you have in St. Louis.

  52. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Joe,

    That OF is totally gangsta.

    :lol:

  53. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Betsy

    I guess he was putting the most positive spin possible on it. I never liked Karstens and I don’t watch Pitt games, but I assume he refined his command, stopped being such a flyball pitcher, added a pitch, and/or is getting lucky.

    Just quickly looking at Fangraphs, his xFIP is 3.78, his BABIP is .238, and his LOB% is 86.7%, so it seems he has been lucky.

  54. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Rasmus – Granderson – Kemp – Now that’s an OF to be proud of!

    (If LaRussa wants a Gardner type of player, well, that could be arranged.)
    ————————–

    I was pretty down on Gardner for a while but he’s starting to win me over. He really gives the Yanks another dimension that they haven’t had for a while. I know Rasmus and Kemp can also run but most opposing managers really say that Gardner makes the Yanks extremely dangerous. I hate to trade him away when he’s still cheap. But Rasmus and Kemp might change my mind haha.

  55. LGY July 2nd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    garcia is a tire patch. Nova is more of the future than Garcia…and he’s no more of a lock to continue this pitching than Nova. Garcia and or Colon will move on after the season…Nova will be in NY.

    ——–

    Nova is much more likely the get traded than Garcia.

    Nova won’t be in Pinstripes for long.

  56. GreenBeret7 July 2nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Trade Gardner? Joe, that will bring down the wrath of Dog on you.

  57. BoJo July 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    The New York Times Co. has sold more than half its holdings in the Fenway Sports Group, which includes the BoSox, for $117MM, writes Beth Healy of The Boston Globe. Times Co. has recouped more than what the media company spent on its entire original investment. The purchasers of the shares were affiliates of existing partners, according to Sox owner John Henry.

    ________________
    No wonder they seemed to like the Red Sox so much

  58. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I’d imagine the Cards would ask for Gardner + Nova but the Yankees would try to steer them towards Gardner + Noesi for Rasmus.

  59. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Rich, I don’t think he was trying to be complimentary. I mean, I think his point was that Gordon’s stuff isn’t that good and he has pretty good command. Overall, the fuss over Gordon seems kind of silly now – but then it seemed that way at the time.

  60. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    And since Mark Newman said the Yankees main priority is to win, then I guess it will be Nova going to AAA. It’s like if Nova goes down there it’s the end of the world – he’ll never pitch in the majors again, lol

  61. kd July 2nd, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    gb, that’s hilarious.

    i hate ot say it, but gardner and noesi or phelps might be a really good package for rasmus.

    if his father is the issue, i’m sure a conversation with jeter and posada will temper his expectations.

    i think it’s far more likely to trade for him than kemp, whom i would prefer

  62. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    I would trade anyone on the team, rookie, old veteran, young veteran, fading icon, whatever if there is positional redundancy, and it makes the team better both long and short term, and it doesn’t kill their financial flexibility.

    The problem is that Gardner has qualities that are in short supply on this team.

  63. Kevin July 2nd, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Who’s out of rotation? Colon, Hughes, Nova or Garcia?

  64. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    If they grab Colby Rasmus now, they don’t have to bank on Kemp reaching free agency. It’s not a 100% guarantee due to the potential evaluations/decisions of new ownership. If you end up with both GREAT…but if Kemp re-ups, you have a solid LF and CF at least.

    If the Cards offer Colby Rasmus and insist on an overpay in return, let’s say, Gardner + Nova + Cervelli…could you turn them down and pass on Colby Rasmus?

  65. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    I think the guys at RAB need to calm down. One of them thinks it’s a fireable offense if Nova gets sent down when Phil comes up……….

  66. njsketch July 2nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    the yankees need to tailor their team for the post-season at the trade deadline. they need to think about what it would take to beat the red sox and phillies.

    in my estimation, that means a number 2 starter and lefty reliever. that’s it.

    if i’m cashman i look into those two components. let’s be honest, our rotation, as currently constructed is fine for the regular season, but not enough to match up against becket and lester or halladay and lee. colon may have been that person but his durability is a problem. burnett can blow up at any time and hughes’ post season in texas last year was a disaster.

  67. Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    NJsketch,

    Nice post. I can agree with that.

  68. Kevin July 2nd, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    I’d be fine with CC, Burnett, Colon, Hughes and Nova/Garcia, I don’t think any of them have the stuff to come out of the bullpen in a powerful role, Hughes is closest (while i don’t think he can reclaim his 09 form), all of these players deserve to play at the major league level.

    Colon has been their number 2 for brief moments and most of the time their number 3. Garcia has been mostly consistent. So what to do?

  69. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 2nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    If they grab Colby Rasmus now, they don’t have to bank on Kemp reaching free agency. It’s not a 100% guarantee due to the potential evaluations/decisions of new ownership. If you end up with both GREAT…but if Kemp re-ups, you have a solid LF and CF at least.

    If the Cards offer Colby Rasmus and insist on an overpay in return, let’s say, Gardner + Nova + Cervelli…could you turn them down and pass on Colby Rasmus?
    ————————

    First of all, I’d rather have Kemp than Rasmus. The Cards haven’t actually given any indication that Rasmus is even on the block. They don’t have any impact outfielders in their system. Rasmus is extremely talented but has not had a good season. He looked like he was improving last year but this year has been pretty disappointing.

  70. Unnamedsource July 2nd, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    As of about 1:45 p.m (Eastern) on July 2, 2011, the official website of the SWB Yankees is reporting that Carlos Silva has been released by the Yankees. Dan Brewer has gone back on the disabled list after a brief appearance last night. Silva was on the 7 day DL anyway. So the SWB Yankees have 23 players active until Gordon gets there.

  71. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “I think the guys at RAB need to calm down. One of them thinks it’s a fireable offense if Nova gets sent down when Phil comes up……….”

    If giving Soriano that contract doesn’t get you fired, nothing will.

  72. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    The Yanks are never going to put Hughes back in the bullpen. They view him (and rightly so) as a starter. Putting him in the ‘pen in ’09 was more of a situation that they had nobody else out there. The pen was weak and he was the easier answer. He will not throw another pitch in the ‘pen.

  73. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    “in my estimation, that means a number 2 starter and lefty reliever. that’s it.”

    Well, yeah, but the problem is that the cost is almost certainly prohibitively high.

  74. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Rich, what does that have to do with anything? I understand that some disagree about Nova being sent down/to pen and prefer Garcia or whomever, but to the extent that it’s fireable? His point was obviously that Nova may be as good or better than Phil and so Nova shouldn’t have to move to accomodate Phil.

    Tyler, the only way he’s going back to the pen is if he proves this year and next that he just can’t cut it in any way as a starter. If all he proves to be is a backend guy, that’s still more valuable than being in the pen. ON the other hand, if Phil is merely a backend guy, I guess I can see them sticking him in the pen until he becomes a FA because maybe a top reliever is better than a backend starter……….but that’s a long ways away IF it ever happens

  75. Daniel in Toronto July 2nd, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I am going to miss Brian Gordon so much. So many memories.

  76. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Betsy

    It was a joke…

  77. Bo knows July 2nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Yep, now that Cashman is built up this embarassment of pitching riches, now’s the time to fire him.

    It’s like Cashman is sitting there with an evil leprechaun smirk. “Let’s send down Nova”.

  78. Tyler July 2nd, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Betsy-

    I agree but they are going to give Hughes every possible chance to be a starter. The guy was 18-8 last year. No way they just throw him back into the pen especially with the pen being very good recently.

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