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Postgame notes: “It’s hard to think about anything else”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From his spot in center field, Curtis Granderson has a perfect view of Bartolo Colon’s two-seamer. He’s not trying to hit it, and he’s not trying to catch it. He’s just watching it move.

“Even Gardner in left can see it,” Granderson said. “We’ll make hand gestures to each other about how much the ball is moving. It’s definitely moving a lot.”

Colon has a breaking ball and a changeup, but it’s that fastball that makes him so good. It’s the reason he gets so many strikeouts looking. He’s now thrown 13 consecutive scoreless innings, a stretch of dominance that extended to both sides of a DL stint.

“That happened to me before when I went to the DL,” he said. “Every time I come back, I pitch the same way.”

There have been plenty of chances to doubt Colon. There was reason to scoff at Brian Cashman for signing him this winter, and there was reason question whether he was fit enough for spring training, and there was reason to wonder whether he could take three weeks off and return to form without a single rehab start. But Colon just keeps doing the same thing, defying all expectation and pitching like a man in his prime.

“The way he’s been pitching for us all year long,” Nick Swisher said. “It’s hard to think about anything else.”

Here’s Joe Girardi’s postgame press conference.

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• Derek Jeter is finished in Trenton. He went 1-for-2 with a walk and a run. He started one double play and had to make at least one impressive, spinning play. I have to assume he came through the game just fine. Haven’t heard any different.

• As always, check with my old friend Mike Ashmore for a ton of Jeter notes from down in Trenton.

• Speaking of shortstops, you know all about Eduardo Nunez’s 7-for-8 the past two days. It turns out, his only out was caught by an old friend of his. Nunez has known Mets second baseman Justin Turner for a few years now, and in the sixth inning, Turner made a terrific play to rob Nunez on a line drive headed for the gap. “He told me, you can’t be 7-for-7,” Nunez said. “He’s my friend.”

• Biggest out of today’s game had to be Dillon Gee’s fifth-inning ground ball to third base. The Mets had loaded the bases, but Colon got the Mets starting pitcher to ground to Alex Rodriguez for an inning-ending double play. It was a scoreless game at the time. “That was very big for me and for the team,” Colon said. “Because the next inning, that’s when we started scoring runs.”

• Speaking of the Yankees offense, Colon got a bunt down and also went down swinging in his two plate appearances. “I enjoyed the bunt,” Colon said. “When I struck I started laughing a lot, but that’s what I always do. I enjoy the game.”

• Girardi said he had some advance notice that Colon might be this good. “They said he was really sharp on Monday,” Girardi said. “His velocity was good and the movement was good. He’s kind of surprised us all year long in a sense. We weren’t sure what we were going ot get out of him in spring training, and he just continued to pitch well and he did today.”

• A.J. Burnett, CC Sabathia and Ivan Nova are still scheduled to start the Cleveland series. “They’re still the probables,” Girardi said.

• By the way, Girardi said he’s not positive he’ll have an announcement about Phil Hughes tomorrow. That seems a little crazy since he’s on turn to start Monday, but that’s what Girardi said.

• For the second day in a row, the Yankees and Mets drew the largest ever crowd at Citi Field. They had 42,042 today. They had 42,020 last night.

• The Yankees are now 24-4 in day games. That’s an .857 winning percentage. They’re also on track for exactly 100 wins with a 50-31 record midway through the season.

• Nick Swisher’s eight-game hitting streak ended.

• Two more scoreless innings from Cory Wade. The Yankees really seem to have found something there. Russell Martin caught Wade when he had a 0.925 WHIP out of the Dodgers bullpen in 2008. “He looks like he’s even sharper now,” Martin said.

• Sergio Mitre made his season debut with the Yankees and gave up two runs in the ninth.

• Dominant pitching performances for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre tonight, as well. D.J. Mitchell pitched seven shutout innings in the first game of a double header, then George Kontos spot-started the second game and went four scoreless with no walks and five strikeouts. Keep an eye on both of them. Those would be legitimate long relief options if Mitre continues to struggle.

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251 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s hard to think about anything else””

  1. MTU July 2nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Bartolo Colon is what lightning in a very large bottle looks like.

    Damn he’s good.

    :)

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    TheStraw July 2nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    WCYF-

    Michael Jordan played numerous high stakes card games and gambled at golf in amounts equal to whatmis being reported for Alex. It is a media witch hunt, plain and simple.

    *********

    How can it be a witch hunt when nothing has happened? All it is is a couple of media reports and a perfunctory “we’ll look into it” by MLB. It’s not big deal at this point and if nothing untoward happened it will just fade away.

  3. PittsburghYankeeFan July 2nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Sergio Mitre has no role on this team whatsoever. When Hughes comes back, they should DFA him. Don’t give Girardi any chance to use this bum.

  4. PittsburghYankeeFan July 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    High stakes poker and ARod? And you guys wonder why nobody wants to post to this blog?

  5. MTU July 2nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    If Bartolo can stay healthy he and CC form a very formidable one two punch.

    Now if Hughes can just get it going again.

    ;)

  6. pat July 2nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    If MLB has a problem with someone gambling with now known Ponzi-schemers and guys playing high stakes poker, the Wilpons would no longer own the Mets and Bud would never let Einhorn invest in them.

    Glad to read it appears Derek came throuhg the game okay.

    Colon has been phenomenal but he has cartoon character looks that make me laugh just seeing him standing on the mound with a dead pan look.

  7. AldotheApache July 2nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan July 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    High stakes poker and ARod? And you guys wonder why nobody wants to post to this blog?

    ————————

    Only one poster going on and on about it. And that’s only because the Yankees are playing so well, he has nothing else to criticize about them.

  8. DocTodd July 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Looks like the Red Sox are once again enjoying themselves, feasting on the cream puffs (Astros) served by Uncle Bud Selig…

  9. RhapsodyInBlue July 2nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Lastros doing what they do best.

  10. m July 2nd, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I saw the Star Magazine in question. In the top right corner, they had a picture and caption of “Leo…poker…” I didn’t even pick it up to see what kind of “dirt” they had on Alex. Totally not interested!

    Yanquis Beisbol is what I want to read about. I want to hear about how awesome they are! They are playing so well. A win tomorrow takes them to another plateau…20 games over .500.

    I don’t get the big mystery surrounding Hughes. He’s obviously not pitching for the Yankees on Monday. Maybe trying to wedge him sometime? Deciding when to pitch him at Scranton?

  11. m July 2nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    And totally disgusted by the Astros. The Sox just lost 3 straight series to NL teams. They get closer, then give it back and then some. Ugh. Must be that Miles guy rolling over for his old team.

  12. 4time July 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Yesterday was the Lastro’s best chance to win the game… 4 run lead in the 7th, pitcher dominating and they lose. They will get swept.

  13. Jerkface July 2nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Yanquis Beisbol is what I want to read about. I want to hear about how awesome they are! They are playing so well. A win tomorrow takes them to another plateau…20 games over .500.

    I don’t get the big mystery surrounding Hughes. He’s obviously not pitching for the Yankees on Monday. Maybe trying to wedge him sometime? Deciding when to pitch him at Scranton?

    The Yankees are in a 7 game run, and I have to believe they’ll stretch it to 8 tomorrow with Garcia the flyball junkballer going against an impatient mets lineup in a cavernous ballpark. Too good a match up! Team is doing great. I think the Yankees are still deciding on Hughes. They probably want to see what happens on Sunday and then how everyone is feeling on Monday before deciding. Might be as simple as ‘well the bullpen got depleted on sunday so we’ll stay on turn.’ or vice versa ‘garcia threw a great game so we’ll go with hughes on monday since he’ll have backup.’ Or Colon is kind of sore so we’ll bump him back a day so we’ll throw Hughes on monday and push Colon back 1 day.

  14. Giuseppe Franco July 2nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    If the Red Sox were feasting on every cream puff, they wouldn’t be 8-1 against the Yanks but trailing them by 2.5 games in the AL East standings.

    If anything, they haven’t played well enough against the teams they should beat, which is why they are in 2nd place.

  15. m July 2nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    As long as we keep them in our rear-view mirror, it’s all good. :)

  16. MTU July 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Bartolo may look like a frog but he throws like a Prince.

    ;)

  17. DocTodd July 2nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I just can’t understand how the Red Sox got to play the Padres, Pirates and Astros…and yes I know, the Padres and Pirates won their series….but jeez, what a gift…..

  18. Jerkface July 2nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    If the Red Sox were feasting on every cream puff, they wouldn’t be 8-1 against the Yanks but trailing them by 2.5 games in the AL East standings.

    Red Sox are 40-33 against the rest of the Majors.

    Yankees are 49-23 against the rest of the majors.

    110 win pace against non red sox teams :twisted:

  19. blake July 2nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Season is now half over and the Yankees are officially on a 100 win pace. Colon is amazing….that’s about all you can say. Great job Nunez!

  20. DocTodd July 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Bartolo….the body of the Michelin man…..the right arm of a Greek god…..

  21. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    jerkface – I think that’s exactly the case with Phil. Why make a decision before you have to? There’s too many variables in play tonight. By Sunday night it will all be much more clear. That would leave Phil enough time to travel to get to Cleveland, if need be.

    My guess, just a guess, is that Phil gets one more start for Scranton, then starts for NYY on Saturday July 9th, against Tampa.

  22. DocTodd July 2nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Maybe the Astros will really help out the Sox by trading them one of their few good players for a bag of balls…like the
    Padres did..

  23. MTU July 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Our rotation is on autopilot right now.

    And it’s only gonna get stronger.

    :)

  24. m July 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Our interleague schedule wasn’t that tough either. And we didn’t face the best team in the NL like the Sox did.

    The goal in interleague was to make hay. Hoping to add another bale tomorrow. :)

  25. Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    The Red Sox lost 2 of 3 to both San Diego and Pittsburgh.

    The Yanks are indeed making hay.

    They play tomorrow, they win tomorrow, dassit!

    Good night, all. Back at it tomorrow.

  26. Jerkface July 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Our interleague schedule wasn’t that tough either. And we didn’t face the best team in the NL like the Sox did.

    Rockies and Brewers and Reds are no joke, but we did get 9 games vs the cubs and mets :)

  27. m July 2nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Took a look at Cot’s payroll obligation for the Sox. They have $127M committed to 12 players. I realize that it’s a pot/kettle/black thing, but they’re going to have to get very creative if they want to keep playing the poor small market team narrative.

    Also noticed that Buccholz gets a nice bump in each of the next 3 years. I guess his buyout escaped my mind.

  28. MTU July 2nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Have a good evening.

    Seeing the team play like it has of late makes for sweet dreams.

    :)

  29. m July 2nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Oh, and I can’t believe they ate the rest of Cameron’s salary. Was Cameron another Alex recommendation?

  30. blake July 2nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Saw Montero hit another dinger….he might be heating up.

  31. Robin July 2nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    I’m dreading Jeter’s return.

    He’s turned into a “cooler”.

  32. Doc Iac July 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    “Sergio Mitre made his season debut with the Yankees and gave up two runs in the ninth”

    ___

    no real surprise there

  33. pat July 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    NYDNInterNets Derek Jeter on A-Rod calling Jose Reyes the best player in the world: “He was just stating the obvious.” Damn.

    markpherrmann Jeter echoed A-Rod’s praise of Jeter. But when he was asked who’s the best player in ball, Jeter said, “As of now, Nunez”

    I believe it probably should be “Jeter echoed A-Rod’s praise of Reyes.” unless Derek is trying to Wally Pipp himself?

  34. Tar July 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Kershaw kind of getting lit up by the Angels. 6-0 4th.

    Go get him Cash while the price is good. :wink:

  35. pat July 2nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Record_Tara I asked Jeter if, in light of Nunez streak, he knows who Wally Pipp is. “I do,” he said. “That’s why I’ll be back Monday.”

  36. 4time July 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Twins lost again, blew a 3 run 9th inning lead to Brewers. Pretty soon, they can end this dream that they are ‘in the race’ and start giving us some of their players…

  37. RMS July 2nd, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    I love watching Colon pitch. Doesn’t waste time, gets the ball and fires it. Great #2 behind CC. Just hope he stays healthy. And if Hughes comes back strong, Yanks will have a solid #3.

  38. cs in la July 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Yes, it would be great to have SJ and CB back in here. And Trisha. Unfortunately, I think this place got too hot and combative for them – doesn’t need to be but a few hot heads and bridge jumpers ruined it for the rest of us.

    Chad, as someone suggested, maybe you could send them and invite them back? The site traffic would increase I bet, jut by having the insightful analysis in here.

  39. yanks 27 July 2nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    “Nunez is unbelievable,” said Alex Rodriguez, who recently made headlines for his lofty praise of Reyes. “He can easily be in eighth grade. I think all the Reyes talk I had, maybe he took it a little personal. He’s been incredible.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6733645

  40. yanks 27 July 2nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    YankeesWFAN Reality check: Nunez was 6 for 33 before Subway Series. Gardner 3 for last 30 in leadoff spot. #jetermania

  41. 4time July 2nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    “Nunez is unbelievable,” said Alex Rodriguez, who recently made headlines for his lofty praise of Reyes. “He can easily be in eighth grade.

    ———————-

    A 24 year old in 8th grade? Interesting.

  42. yanks 27 July 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    M_Marakovits
    Cashman: nunez filled in great but Jeter will be back in the lineup batting leadoff in CLE…

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan July 2nd, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    I have the feeling that the layoff will help Jeter; that in combination with the All-Star break. I think he will have a very good second half.

  44. Crawdaddy July 2nd, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    “I realize that it’s a pot/kettle/black thing, but they’re going to have to get very creative if they want to keep playing the poor small market team narrative.”

    I think they gave up that role after the Crawford and AGon contracts.

  45. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    They have their #2 if Colon remains healthy.

    If they add a bat, I want Beltran.

  46. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    “He’s turned into a “cooler”.”

    Good movie, but I doubt it.

  47. ron July 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Lets not fall in love with nunez just yet.

    Yes he had a few clutch hits but before todays game he had a .683 ops & that is after a 4-4 game yesterday that raised his ops 57 points.
    Also before yesterdays game his obp was a disgusting .281,ba .234,all while playing a bad ss.

  48. tyanksfan36 July 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
    They have their #2 if Colon remains healthy.

    ___

    isnt that the truth…lol

  49. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    “Also before yesterdays game his obp was a disgusting .281,ba .234,all while playing a bad ss.”

    Do you really expect a young player who gets sporadic playing time to hit the ground running? There’s a learning curve to surmount with the pressure of playing in NY, and being looked at as a potential replacement for a HOFer.

    Under the circumstances, he has done pretty well.

    .246 .294 .297 .592

    That’s Jeter’s splits v. RHP. Is that disgusting too?

  50. m July 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Haha. A lot of people would say ‘yes’, Rich.

    Hope Jeter brings his glove with him. Can’t wait.

  51. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I just think the word is, lets say unhelpful, m, and it demonstrates how hyper critical people are of Nunez, for no good reason, imo.

  52. yankeefeminista July 2nd, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I see the Saltimbanquito was his usual unhittable self in Flushing.

    In Trenton, Jeter looked fit and ready to go. Was there a feed of the game?

    Glad to see Cash acknowledging that Nunez may get some OF time, and that he will be more in the mix, giving both Jeter (and Cano, who Cash said doesn’t get rested enough. My complaint, exactly) a much needed blow. I like.

    I wish Cash would just announce the plan for Hughes.

  53. m July 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    People are also hyper-critical of Jeter as well. Their disgust with Jeter’s contract doesn’t allow them to fully appreciate him.

  54. tyanksfan36 July 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Yankeefem

    how was the game? and crowd. I bet it was a bit louder than usual. Crazy that 3 of the farm teams had walk off wins tonight. I am hoping they do a live feed of the game again tomorrow. Im thinking of bringing my laptop to the TY game so we can watch it.
    I also cant believe that Jeter didnt wear high socks. the rule breaker!

  55. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    m

    How are people hyper critical of Jeter? Does posting his splits v. RHP for the last year a half or suggesting that he bat 8th or 9th v. RHP qualify?

    Apart from that, I haven’t seen hyper critical posts from sane posters.

    To the contrary, most critical post I read repeatedly point out that he is a HoFer, perhaps the most important Yankee of the last 15 or so years, but that the team should come first.

  56. Betsy July 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Seriously, what are the Yankees doing? Just let Phil make a rehab start, one more, and then bring him up. What on earth is it with all this mystery? It’s not a big deal……….but they are making it into one.

  57. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    tyanks, game was good! I have never seen the place so packed, not even for Pettitte’s playoff start last year. Heyer’s contact pitching (as I figured it would) gave Jeter a lot of opportunities for fielding balls. He had a lot of spring in his step and favored nothing. Melky Mesa had his usual highlight catch. Did you watch the feed? I hope there is one tomorrow. I am sorry I am missing ManBan, but a person has to rest once in awhile. Especially with the Yanks coming back into town at the end of the week.

  58. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Rich, try sticking to facts. It must be Cash not Jeter that thinks the team shouldn’t come first. http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....nferences/

  59. pat July 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    They were brief but memorable conversations, and the Curve players who got to have the little chats with Derek Jeter will never forget them.
    It all started when Jeter stepped to the plate leading off the bottom of the first inning Saturday night for Trenton. The Yankee shortstop, captain and future Hall of Famer tapped Curve catcher Tony Sanchez on the shin guard and offered up a few words.

    “It was like you were talking to a god,” Sanchez said. “You grew up as a little kid watching him, and now he’s two feet away from me.” Sanchez recalled exactly what was said.

    “Verbatim,” he noted.

    “He first asked me, ‘How’s it going’ and said ‘good luck’ to me,” Sanchez said. “Then he said, ‘Take it easy on me today.’

    “I told him, ‘I will man. I’ll get you ready for that 3,000th hit. Just once you get it, just remember Tony Sanchez got you ready.’”

    http://www.altoonamirror.com/p.....ayers.html

  60. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am

    yf

    Reread what I said. I said “that the team should come first.”

    I didn’t say what Jeter or Cashman have said. I offered my opinion.

    So who isn’t sticking to the facts?

  61. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Yankeefem

    I didn’t get to see the feed, I was at the Tampa Yankees game. I was really happy that it didn’t get rained out or delayed. If the Thunder play a day game tomorrow before I head off to the TY game. I’m thinking/hoping that Nik Turley starts tomorrow. I’ve been looking forward to seeing him.

  62. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Rich, how is the team not coming first? By saying that you are implying that the player somehow has manipulated the manager and GM to play him instead of considering the interests of the team. That assumes that the player isn’t the best choice from the team/manager/GM’s perspective. However, that is your point of view. Not necessarily theirs. And obviously not Cash’s as per the above interview.

  63. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 am

    tyanks, did you see GCL? Trenton is playing a night game tomorrow. So, you won’t get to see it? Don’t they archive these feeds? I would love to see Turley pitch. I am still waiting on seeing Bryan Mitchell after the Tampa-Yanks series.

  64. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Delete second “?”

  65. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Yankeefem

    I did get to see the GCL play. When I got there at 10 they were already in the 4th. They were finishing the game that they didn’t finish from yesterday. There weren’t too many dazzling plays, the most difficult was a sharp grounder to the SS who fielded it cleanly and threw the runner out. The GCL yanks also turned a 5-4-3 DP but all the rest of the outs were routine. We didn’t stay for the second game because it started an hour later and we were already sunburnt after 2 hours. I could definitely tell the difference in level of play. The poor Braves 3rd baseman had a rough game in the field but he was joking as he came off the field all afternoon. David Adams looks like a major leaguer in the GCL he is so much more advanced a hitter than those guys.

  66. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 am

    yf

    My point is simply that in my opinion Jeter should not bat at the top of the lineup v. RHP given his OBP, and that if he wasn’t Derek Jeter, he would not be batting there.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 am

    But he is Derek Jeter.

  68. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    So your point is what? That he deserves deference even if he isn’t the best option to bat leadoff v. RHP?

  69. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 am
    yf

    My point is simply that in my opinion Jeter should not bat at the top of the lineup v. RHP given his OBP, and that if he wasn’t Derek Jeter, he would not be batting there.
    _______
    I have no problem with your stating your opinion. However, once you add in a comment like “the team comes first” that implies that the Yankees are somehow complicit and acting in a way that is consciously detrimental to the team.

  70. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    tyanks, was Rosario playing SS?

  71. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:43 am

    I knew the game was on FOX; however, I taped YES instead. :(

  72. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    “I have no problem with your stating your opinion. However, once you add in a comment like “the team comes first” that implies that the Yankees are somehow complicit and acting in a way that is consciously detrimental to the team.”

    Explain to me how it makes baseball sense to bat a player with a .294 OBP first or second.

    That’s not what I implied, it’s what you inferred. Perhaps because it reflects your bias?

  73. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Yankeefem

    Yes, Rosario was playing SS. I don’t know anything about him.

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    I don’t feel Jeter hurts the team.

  75. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Hurting the team. That’s a touchy feely subjective standard.

    I prefer facts.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Well your facts revolve only around statistics; my perspective considers intangibles such as leadership equally.

  77. Crawdaddy July 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Jeter has to pick up the pace if he wants to remain at the top of order beyond his 3000th hit.

  78. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am

    YF

    Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it.

    Pat

    That is a cool story about Tony-Thanks

    “Explain to me how it makes baseball sense to bat a player with a .294 OBP first or second.”

    Well I guess you are really not for Brett Gardner.

    Jeter batting first has a .336 OBP

    Gardner batting first has a .298 OBP

  79. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 am
    “I have no problem with your stating your opinion. However, once you add in a comment like “the team comes first” that implies that the Yankees are somehow complicit and acting in a way that is consciously detrimental to the team.”

    Explain to me how it makes baseball sense to bat a player with a .294 OBP first or second.

    That’s not what I implied, it’s what you inferred. Perhaps because it reflects your bias?
    __
    Rich, I don’t have a bias. I really do respect your opinions and other divergent opinions. I just find characterizations like “the team comes first” troubling. I don’t think anyone roots for the team to come second. Therefore, I consider a remark like that gratuitous. If I misinterpreted your intention, than let’s move on.

  80. Crawdaddy July 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Jeter has four weeks until August 1st, after that, all bets are off if he’s still struggling with the same OBP come that series in Chicago.

  81. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 am

    This is to crazy to debate. Statistics are facts. We aren’t talking about some advanced metric that is subject to question because of some artificial realism issue. This is OBP, a stat used by Branch Rickey.

    Intangibles? Nothing is more demeaning to Derek Jeter’s career than all the intangible bs. This is player who is going to the HoF because of his tangibles. But those tangibles aren’t there v. RHP anymore.

  82. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 am

    *then*

  83. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 am

    “Rich, I don’t have a bias. I really do respect your opinions and other divergent opinions. I just find characterizations like “the team comes first” troubling. I don’t think anyone roots for the team to come second. Therefore, I consider a remark like that gratuitous. If I misinterpreted your intention, than let’s move on.”

    I will ask the question one more time and then move on. Would another player on the team with his OBP v. RHP bat 1st or 2nd.

    I will now move on.

  84. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Rich, Jeter didn’t bat first vs. RHP at the beginning of the year. He won’t in the future if he isn’t successful and there is a better option. As for putting the team first, that is what the Yankees do.

  85. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    As for asking the question, you didn’t ask me. Therefore, I didn’t answer. Dandy. Let’s now move on.

  86. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:04 am

    I said 1st or 2nd.

  87. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am

    “I will ask the question one more time and then move on. Would another player on the team with his OBP v. RHP bat 1st or 2nd.”

    The answer is obvious…. No. Especially if it’s Brett Gardner and his worst .298 OBP leading off.

  88. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Rich, whom are you addressing?

  89. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:07 am

    I’ll give Jeter credit for this: (the media are idiots)

    Derek Jeter didn’t think Alex Rodriguez was making any waves on Friday when he called Jose Reyes “the world’s greatest player.”

    “How is that waves?” Jeter said after playing in his first rehab game for Double-A Trenton on Saturday night. “(Rodriguez) is probably right. (Reyes) is hitting .350 [on pace for] 30 triples. It’s pretty much stating the obvious. He’s playing as well now as I’ve ever seen him. I hope it continues, just not against us.”

  90. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 am

    “The answer is obvious…. No. Especially if it’s Brett Gardner and his worst .298 OBP leading off.”

    So you think that Gardner magically changes when he leads off and this his aggregate stats v. RHP are less important?

    “Rich, whom are you addressing?”

    Where?

  91. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Jeter’s stats should not be compared straight up with others. People are not all treated the same. A company might allow an employee who has been with the company for 20 years and has been a big part of their past success to come in later and not be held to the same account as a younger employee. He might offer leadership and experience and other qualities that have great value.

  92. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 am

    tyanks, Rosario I thought was more of a 2B with a plus arm, but arm/range didn’t play as well at short. How did he look?

    Any Chris Cabrera sightings/updates? He should be close to pitching in actual games. Newman was raving about his CB for someone so young. Sounds a bit like Viz at that age.

  93. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Rich

    How do you explain Gardner’s poor OBP batting 1st ?

  94. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Alex wasn’t making waves. Media are idiotic, tis true. All this Alex-Derek stuff is so yesterday. Who cared then? Who cares now?

  95. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Tar

    Are you talking about leading off a game or leading off an inning?

    My overall view is that it’s anomalous. That over time any player will put up the same slash lines no matter what he bats.

  96. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    what = where

  97. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    “People are not all treated the same.”

    And you call yourself a progressive.

  98. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Rich, you do tend not to address someone by handle, so it is hard sometimes to tell who you are responding to or asking a question of.

  99. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Yankeefem

    I only saw 2 pitcher today I think. Not quite sure right now who. Rosario looked good, like I said, I didn’t see any tough plays except a DP. I’m going again next Saturday and will hopefully see more. Tejada was catching and in my opinion he looked good back there.

  100. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    tyanks, we’ll take Chris Cabrera in SI, happily. Who pitched for GCL today?

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    “People are not all treated the same.”

    And you call yourself a progressive.

    **********

    Don’t be absurd. We’re talking about sports and business; we’re not talking about civil rights.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am
    “I will ask the question one more time and then move on. Would another player on the team with his OBP v. RHP bat 1st or 2nd.”

    The answer is obvious…. No. Especially if it’s Brett Gardner and his worst .298 OBP leading off.
    ///

    Tar, I think Gardner really is a better weapon in the nine spot. The numbers hitting leadoff don’t surprise me, really. Too much exposure for a guy who fattens up on soft pitching to get hot and tends to be overmatched by better pitching.

    But his numbers at leadoff really do make this whole crusade thing a bit silly.

  103. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:27 am

    “Don’t be absurd. We’re talking about sports and business; we’re not talking about civil rights.”

    “Well your facts revolve only around statistics;”

    I love irony.

  104. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:27 am

    “Are you talking about leading off a game or leading off an inning?”

    Rich

    Sorry. I was talking about batting in the first position.

    BTW Jeter’s stats in those two categories are pretty good no?

    I will repeat myself on this:

    I feel one of the strengths of this years team is to jump out to an early lead.

    As per Jerk 70% of the teams that are leading after 2 win. Jeters leading off a game stats are probably the best in baseball.

    Coincidently the Yankees lead all of baseball in scoring in the first inning.
    Yankees67
    Red Sox 50
    Cle

    Great SP- early lead- lock down Pen has led to a lot of success this year.

  105. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:27 am

    “Rich, you do tend not to address someone by handle, so it is hard sometimes to tell who you are responding to or asking a question of.”

    I’ll try to be more direct with you.

  106. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:28 am

    tyanks, Tejeda is supposed to have a plus arm and some pop. You see Daniel Lopez at all? He is supposed to be very toolsy with a lot of speed.

  107. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:29 am

    *Cleveland has scored 47 first inning runs. 20 less than the Yankees.*

  108. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am

    Rich, appreciated.

  109. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am

    Tar

    From my recollection, Jeter’s stats (perhaps only this season) are better to start the game and when he has a day off.

    I tend to view that as an anomaly, but if it isn’t, does he wear down too easily now?

    My view about lineup construction is that the goal is to get the best hitters on the team the most AB. Jeter isn’t one of them v. RHP.

    The Yankees have been great with Jeter out. Is batting order a reason? I don’t know, but as I said when I quoted someone above, I don’t think he will be a “cooler,” in fact, I think that is grossly unfair.

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am

    Rich there is nothing ironic in understanding you don’t have a clue what leadership is. I doubt you have ever run a business.

  111. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:35 am

    “Tar, I think Gardner really is a better weapon in the nine spot. The numbers hitting leadoff don’t surprise me, really.”

    ———–

    2010 batting 1st: .290 .412 .376

    His numbers leading off this season are an anomaly and primarily a result of his poor start to the season.

    Where you bat in the order doesn’t change who you are. Over the course of the season his leadoff numbers will fall in line with his talent level.

  112. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:35 am

    What is the guess regarding the Hughes plan? Why is Cash keeping things so close to the vest? I missed any Yankee coverage today because I was in Trenton. Any new info about the rotation, going forward?

  113. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Too much exposure for a guy who fattens up on soft pitching to get hot and tends to be overmatched by better pitching.

    —————–

    Do you have any facts to support this or how Gardner compares to other players vs better pitching?

  114. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:37 am

    The thing I will never understand is why people on this board (and Girardi) insist that Jeter and Gardner are the only options to leadoff.

    Don’t understand it at all.

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    They just haven’t made a decision yet as to Hughes Girardi said. They don’t feel there is a rush and I agree. They also wanted to see how Colon felt tomorrow; see if he was sore or not.

  116. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Gardner’s career #’s leading off: 274 AB .259/.344/.354

  117. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Sorry Toronto is in 2nd place with 53 but you get the point.

    They are kicking everybody’s butt in scoring early.

    “I tend to view that as an anomaly”

    he has unreal numbers leading off a game for his entire career!

    .353 .406 .517 .923

  118. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Yankeefem

    I saw Tejada double and Lopez single. The double probably could have been caught by a major leaguer or Melky Mesa but he sure did hit it hard.

    The pitchers I saw were reynaldo Polanco and Mike Gipson. Polanco did well but Gipson got into trouble in the 9th. He let a run score but got a timely DP to end the game.

  119. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    So much for a nightcap here….Rowdy bar

  120. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    “Rich there is nothing ironic in understanding you don’t have a clue what leadership is. I doubt you have ever run a business.”

    You’re a pisser. Keep it up.

  121. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:39 am

    LGY, I am assuming you no longer see Martin as a lead off. And who on this board ever insisted that Jeter and Girardi are the only options? Can’t recall anyone ever posting such a thing…

  122. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 am

    *Gardner* Definitely not Girardi as a lead off. lol.

  123. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 am

    I don’t see Martin as a starter anymore.

  124. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 am

    “Over the course of the season his leadoff numbers will fall in line with his talent level.”

    His talent level batting 1st or 9th?

  125. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Thanks, WC. I am thinking the whether or not Colon is sore part makes a lot of sense and will gauge where Phil slides in.

  126. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 am

    “.353 .406 .517 .923″

    Tar

    He has unreal numbers for his career:

    .312 .383 .449 .832

    That’s why the intangible bull is so idiotic.

    But he isn’t that player anymore v. RHP.

  127. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 am

    And who on this board ever insisted that Jeter and Girardi are the only options? Can’t recall anyone ever posting such a thing…

    —————-

    Every discussion about leadoff hitters revolve around comparing Jeter and Gardner. Every time the idea is mentioned about moving Jeter off leadoff those who defend keeping him there only mention Gardner. It’s implicit in the discussion generally.

    Additionally, others like Prufrock have said that the Yankees have no better option to leadoff because he doesn’t think Gardner should be there.

  128. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Pat M., depends on what you are drinking. Some here are mellowing out and others are doing shots.

  129. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:43 am

    YF!

    They have made a decision according to Cash, but they aren’t telling you or me:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ith-hughes

    NTAWWT

  130. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:44 am

    “But he isn’t that player anymore v. RHP”

    But that’s my point.. he is leading off a game.

    2011

    jeter

    .391 .472 .478 .950

  131. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:45 am

    His talent level batting 1st or 9th?

    ——————-

    How about his talent level batting 8th?

    .328 .432 .480 batting 8th.

    Maybe if the Yankees make Gardner the permanent 8 hole hitter he will become a 900 OPS player.

  132. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Gardner has a 1.000 1.000 1.000 batting 4th.

    They should get Alex out of the cleanup spot. Gardy is obviously a beast when he bats 4th.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Jeter had a nice first game today & Heyer provided him with a good workout at short.

    Made all five or six plays very smoothly, and his arm looked really sharp. Hit a ball through the hole between 3rd & short for his one hit and stung a pitch that the 1B made a diving catch on, otherwise would have been down the RF line for a 2B. BB’d the other time.

    Did not see him favoring one side when he ran or looking gingerly pulling up. Looks ready to go.

    The down time is going to pay off for him. Pretty funny Cashman interview on the subject of DJ not wanting to go on the DL.

    Cash was really relaxed & animated.

    Melky Mesa with another blow me away demonstration in the field. Two dead run underhand catches that just make you want to break pencils that he can’t hit a friggin’ breaking pitch. It seems downright unfair of the baseball gods to give that kid a power stroke and a glove from above, but no chance against even a garden variety curveball. Sigh.

  134. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Tar

    Then the logical extension of that line of reasoning is to PH after his first AB because he isn’t giving the team anything after that.

  135. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:49 am

    If they don’t want to move Alex out of the cleanup spot, they can bump Robbie from the 5 hole.

    Gardner hitting 5th: .500 .500 .500

    I can’t believe the Yankees are missing out on Gardner’s 4th, 5th, or 8th hole talents. They need to take advantage of those skills.

  136. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 1:50 am

    This might upset some here but I doubt very much that The NY Yankees will move Derek Jeter from the leadoff spot this season…..Granderson will hit 2nd and Gardner will hit 9th……Maybe a change is in store come March 2012 but it’s unlikely to occur this season….On that note I’ll buy a round for the bar and pay my tab

  137. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Swish batting first: 24 PA .278/.458/.389 5BB

  138. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Gardner batting 9th in his career: .237 .327 .325

    Gardner batting 9th this season: .230 .305 .392

    Uh oh! He can’t hit 1st or 9th!!!!

  139. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 am

    YF and J Alfred

    Thanks for those Trenton updates. I thought about you two today.

  140. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 am

    So Gardner in his career actually has better numbers leading off than he does batting 9th.

  141. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 am

    No Pat, I expect that. It doesn’t upset me, it merely perplexes me, but not a lot, because well, you know.

  142. LGY July 3rd, 2011 at 1:55 am

    Jeter batting 8th in his career

    .311 .386 .500

    That’s his best slash line of any spot in the lineup. The obvious conclusion is to bat Jeter 8th where his greatest talent is.

  143. m July 3rd, 2011 at 1:57 am

    Concerns about where Jeter bats really need to be taken up with Girardi personally.

    We are just passive observers here, and wishing something with all your heart doesn’t always work. ;)

  144. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 1:58 am

    Prufrock, Jeter looked very good. Melky Mesa can’t hit a Phillip Irwin breaking ball even when he knows it is coming. How many CB’s did Irwin throw him in a row? Maybe Mesa is out of rhythm since he was on the DL for so long, but sheesh. Those Jeter and Cashman interviews were so much better than the usual crap. Just a whole different vibe when mlb’ers come to AA.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 1:58 am

    Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 am
    YF and J Alfred

    Thanks for those Trenton updates. I thought about you two today.
    ///

    You’re welcome! The old boy looked pretty darn good.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 2:00 am

    yankfem, the trenton vibe, with the breeze coming in off the river, must be responsible! They also get away from people like Joel Sherman for a day or two ;)

  147. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Tar, thanks. It is always nice to see one of your players in a rehab game. Especially when he comes through it healthy. Did you watch the live stream? If so, how is the quality? Can someone inform as whether there is a feed tomorrow, and link?

  148. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:03 am

    Thanks for the link, Rich!

  149. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:05 am

    Except they did move Jeter from the lead off at the beginning of the year vs. RHP and it was a non-issue…

  150. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 2:05 am

    “Then the logical extension of that line of reasoning is to PH after his first AB because he isn’t giving the team anything after that.”

    Rich

    I would never characterize Jeter’s as “not giving the team anything after that first AB”.

    LGY

    You keep skirting the essential issues that I raised. I must say it’s not endearing you to me tonight.

    How about a subject change. Or even better good night all.

  151. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 am

    “Concerns about where Jeter bats really need to be taken up with Girardi personally.”

    You really think Girardi decided to bat Posada 9th one time and never again?

  152. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 am

    Doreen was at todays game alsoand indicated that Derek looked very smooth and moved well…….

  153. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:07 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 1:58 am
    Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 am
    YF and J Alfred

    Thanks for those Trenton updates. I thought about you two today.
    ///

    You’re welcome! The old boy looked pretty darn good.
    ______
    The old boy made some great plays and didn’t even need oxygen afterwards. ;)

  154. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 2:07 am

    Tar

    Based on that stats you posted and then working back to his aggregate stats, the math says he isn’t giving them much.

    I don’t get the big deal about batting order. The best players bat the highest. If Jeter should become the best v. RHP again move him back up.

  155. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Pat, yes Jeter looked very agile and didn’t favor the left leg at all.

  156. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 am
    “Concerns about where Jeter bats really need to be taken up with Girardi personally.”

    You really think Girardi decided to bat Posada 9th one time and never again.
    ________
    I still believe that that edict came from above Girardi.

  157. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 2:13 am

    The old boy made some great plays and didn’t even need oxygen afterwards.
    ///

    LOL. He kept pace with the youngens pretty well. It was like a day at the ballpark from another era. A kid near me kept screamin’ at him, he looked over & gave him a little “hi there, now calm down” friendly reprimand. Did seem like summers of yore.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Or even better good night all.
    ///

    Good one, Tar. I’m turning in myself. Night all.

  159. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2011 at 2:22 am

    YF

    Yup, and I think the decision to bat Jeter leadoff does as well.

    I’m out. GN

  160. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:22 am

    Good night!

  161. m July 3rd, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Rich,

    Do you (and others, to be fair) think that posting the same thing over and over will change things?

  162. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 2:27 am

    tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am
    Yankeefem

    I saw Tejada double and Lopez single. The double probably could have been caught by a major leaguer or Melky Mesa but he sure did hit it hard.

    The pitchers I saw were reynaldo Polanco and Mike Gipson. Polanco did well but Gipson got into trouble in the 9th. He let a run score but got a timely DP to end the game.
    ____
    Sorry, I missed this post. You are talking about Tejeda right? (with two “e’s”) Did you get to see Lopez’s speed at all?

  163. Rob_NY July 3rd, 2011 at 2:37 am

    Pat M.July 3rd, 2011 at 1:38 am
    So much for a nightcap here….Rowdy bar

    ——-

    Pointless argument, pointless argument, irrelevant tangent.

  164. pft2 July 3rd, 2011 at 3:03 am

    DocTodd. Could not help but notice you left out the Phillies. The Red Sox did have a weak interleague schedule, but the Yankees schedule was not really tough either (only 1 team over 500, the Brewers and the Red Sox played them too).

    No more NL cup cakes for either team after tommorow, but unlike the Yankees, the Red Sox are beating up AL East teams (18-9 thanks to the yankees) and did not do very well against the NL this year.

    It should be a good race the rest of the way if the Yankees can figure a way to beat the Red Sox and Rays. They have 4 games against the Rays to close out the 1st half while the Red Sox get the Orioles for 4.

    Not sure Jeter and Hughes coming back is going to help them keep winning though, although Nunez defense was pretty shaky, and Gardner has not done done well at leadoff in Jeters absence. Who do you bump to make room for Hughes with Colon back, Garcia, Nova? Going to a 6 man rotation could weaken the pen and mean less starts for Colon and CC.

  165. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 3:25 am

    pft2…..Young Master Hughes gets a start in Scranton as Cashman seeks a trade partner for Garcia…Who knows maybe there’s a GM out there who would take both Freddy as well as Andruw Jones for something more than a bag of candy coated peanuts……Other than the uncertainty of the bullpen, I think the club looks very good….Not fond of Cervelli necessarily and if Montero could sustain a bluechip level of play for a month or less now that it’s July 2nd then maybe we can expand the offerings………

  166. lounge lizard July 3rd, 2011 at 3:38 am

    In addition to the the Brewers, the Reds, Rockies and Mets were all over .500 at some point as of the time the Yankees played them. The only NL team not over .500 at any point when playing the Yanks was the Cubs, whom the Red Sox also got. If you do the arithmetic on the over-under .500 as of the outset of the respective NL series, the Red Sox had a clear benefit but did not take advantage.

  167. West Coast Yankee Fan July 3rd, 2011 at 3:59 am

    I don’t see the bullpen as uncertain. Barring injury, we have the top two relief pitchers in baseball in Mariano and Robertson. Logan has made a mechanical adjustment, dropping his arm angle which has resulted in a much more effective slider and curve ball to left-handed hitters and Ayala and Wade have been very good. Soriano is also on his way back and hopefully will contribute as well. Look at these numbers:

    Mariano: 1.69 ERA
    Robertson: 1.08 ERA
    Logan: 3.20 ERA
    Ayala: 1.38 ERA
    Wade: 0.00 ERA

  168. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 4:19 am

    WCYF…..Well you paint a portrayal of a sound bullpen….I still have reservations

  169. m July 3rd, 2011 at 4:20 am

    Sox gotta be kicking themselves for not taking advantage of interleague. Oh, well!

    Pen looks great, but Soriano will be back. I have no problem with him setting up, unless he sucks after his DL stint.

    Cervelli is actually playing better. He went through a rough stretch where he had the yips.

  170. m July 3rd, 2011 at 4:22 am

    What I mean to say is Soriano will upset the very sturdy apple cart.

  171. Pat M. July 3rd, 2011 at 4:51 am

    m….You’re in favor of leaving the club the way it is ??? no trades……I think we’ll know in a few weeks if this is the club we’re going to see come October

  172. m July 3rd, 2011 at 6:27 am

    We need:

    1) A “true” #2
    Bartolo Colon-check

    2) A RF with some pop
    Nick Swisher-check

    3) Setup guy?
    Soriano or Robertson-check

    4)Middle relief?
    Wade-check

    We could improve the bench. But that would be a small deal, probably a salary dump.

    We could use a lefty reliever, but you’ve got a better chance of winning the lottery.

    The team is not perfect, but they seem to be a good fit.

  173. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 am

    m-

    I wouldn’t mind 2 lefties.

    One for the rotation, and one for the pen.

    I think Liriano will be very available.

    Others may be.

    Jones should disappear along with Cervelli.

  174. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 7:58 am

    John Harper of the NYDN thinks it will be Nova who gets bumped out of the rotation when Hughes returns.

    Here’s the article :

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ation.html

    It will be interesting to see how the Yankees actually handle it.

  175. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    And here’s an article by Klapisch on what the Yankees might do at the TD :

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....dline.html

    Basically nothing. I doubt it.

    ;)

  176. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    New thread for the Early birds ==>

  177. comet July 3rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Pat M tell Doreen we miss her here and you. Other than WCYF things are not bad.

    Agree that Jeter will not be moved out the number one spot this year! Doubt it will happen next year either unless they trade or sign for someone else to fill the spot.

    Good to see you here again.

    C

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