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The Yankees new Double-A shortstop

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 03, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Before today’s Subway Series finale gets underway, we’ll start the day with a few Associated Press images of Derek Jeter’s first rehab start with Trenton. The Yankees aren’t taking batting practice today and have already clinched a series win against the Mets.

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147 Responses to “The Yankees new Double-A shortstop”

  1. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Some great photos.

    :)

  2. Abe Peteraham July 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Ya, nice shots. Odd to see Jete in diff uni.

  3. AldotheApache July 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Whether the Yankees deal at the td is more a function of WHO is available and for how much in return. If they can upgrade the roster, they will. Simple as that.

    That said, it’s hard to believe they won’t be able to upgrade on Jones. Highly doubtful any lefty reliever will be available. Also, Mitre? Really?

  4. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    MTU,

    I am still with you on adding two lefties. They are on a great run, but I don’t want them to overlook this shortcoming. I would also like Beltran, but I don’t see that happening.

    Epstein says the Red Sox will try to improve at the TD. The Yankees should too despite their recent great run.

  5. Abe Peteraham July 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Probably smoothest ss Trenton has seen in forever.

  6. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Aldo-

    Good morning.

    The Yanks do not have to do much but I think something might pop up that could be of interest.

    Cashman works in mysterious ways. No more Yankee tax. That’s for sure.

    :)

  7. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Austin-

    They may stand pat on the pitching front.

    As Aldo said, it may just depend on who’s available and the cost.

    I do not know if the Yanks will kick the tires on Liriano but I’m pretty sure he’ll be on the block.

    Still hoping the WS fall out enough to make them sellers.

  8. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Austin-

    Would you do Romine plus Warren for Liriano ?

  9. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    The losses to the Red Sox happened forna reason. They are an extremely left handed hitting team and the Yankees are quite short on LHP. Frankly, I can’t imagine a LHRP will not be available. The price could be prohibitive.

    Their is, in my opinion, no Yankee tax. What we have seen is other teams seeing the Yankees immediate desperate desire to win and try to take advantage of it. I agree at this point they don’t have to act that way.

  10. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Austin-

    Guys like Randy Choate should be available.

    Guys like Thornton. Not so much.

    If Thornton were made available who would you offer for him ?

  11. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    MTU,

    I would if the Yankees think Montero is their catcher of the future. If they’re not, they need Romine. That is my slippery lawyer opinion. But, I would like Liriano for his upside, and he may be one who would benefit from the vets on the team.

  12. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Austin-

    I agree with that. If they don’t really think Jesus can stick at C then they probably would want to hang onto Romine.

    I was reading an article that had the opinion that Mauer will not be able to remain as the Twins C.

    If you believe that then they would find a guy like Romine very attractive I would think.

    Personally, I’m not sure I would surrender Romine for Liriano but that might be the price.

  13. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    MTU,

    I think Choate would be a good addition, but Thornton is a stud. I don’t see the White Sox as sellers I am afraid to say. They are charging back and are only about three games back.

    I don’t want to have to rely on Ayala and that bunch in critical times that always come. If no LHRP can be reasonably acquired, try to get Adams from the Padres. I wonder if we are seeing how the pen will pitch for then rest of the year or we are seeing a hot streak.

  14. pat July 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    No high socks? Fine him BIG for uniform violation.

  15. Vineyard Yankee July 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Thanks for the great pictures Chad. Any news on what kind of spread Jeet threw for his temporary teammates in Trenton ?

  16. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Austin-

    The easier thing for Cashman to do is to tweak the Roster.

    It will be much harder to make any sort of real splash and I’m not really sure we need to anyway.

    It’s gonna be interesting as always.

    I think the pen is overachieving a bit right now but if Soriano returns to form it won’t be.

    The back 3 would be as studly a group as one might ever see.

    ;)

  17. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Any thoughts on the Yankees going after Beltran? It appears the RS are looking for a major upgrade for RF. I’d hate to see them obtain Beltran, and add him to that batting order.

    I heard Feliciano was throwing soft toss, wonder if he could still be a late seaon addition, in time for the PS.

  18. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    MTU -

    If Soriano comes back strong, I’d prefer to see the Yanks add a bat to the roster, and go with 1 less pitcher in the BP.

  19. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Happy 4th Al.

    What does Beltran cost the Yankees ?

  20. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Big Al,

    If you look at an earlier morning post, I am all for Beltran. McCarver said the Sox are very interested in him. Recognizing McCarver is usually a know nothing, it still does concern me.

    I could find plenty of playing time for Beltran.

  21. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Mike -

    Very little. The sports writers all are in agreement the Mets would need to kick in quite a bit of his salary to move him. I think he’d cost some “B” level prospects at most, or less in prospects, and a willingness to take a larger portion of his salary.

  22. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Al-

    He’d be a rental. Right ?

    How much is he owed ?

  23. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:22 am

    I would offer Warren and a list of B level prospects tehy could pick one from while agreeing to pay most of his remaining salary.

  24. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:24 am

    austin -

    Agreed, I’d give him time in RF, and at DH.

    Yes, Posada has shown improvement, but, all too many times he stands there with the bat on his shoulder looking at strike 3.

    Get Beltran, move Jones, and it doesn’t look as if we can depend on Chavez to be a part of this team, so another good bat would be a plus.

  25. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Beltran’s contract expires this year so he is a rental. However, he is likely re-signable even with Boras as his agent.

  26. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Mike -

    He’s making $18.5M this year, so it would be pro-rated if we took the whole salary, which I doubt we would.

  27. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:27 am

    austin -

    IMO, you’d be offering too much. I’d say no to Warren being a part of that deal.

  28. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Austin/Al-

    I do not think I’d surrender the better of the B level pitchers for him(Warren, Phelps, Noesi).

    Maybe DJ Mitchell or Kontos, and the Mets would have to eat a significant portion of his remaining money.

  29. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am

    MTU -

    That’s my thinking as well.

  30. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Chavez cannot be counted on. I would not put him in any team equation. Nunez can be the 3B backup. Beltan still looks like he can hit to me. He could also play some LF with a lefty starting. Gardner does not hit them much and Beltran can still run reasonably well in the OF.

  31. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Al-

    That’s around 9 mill remaining. Even if the Mets ate half that’s around
    4.5 mill for a rental plus prospect(s).

    That’s a lot.

    Of course, if the Mets ate more they could possible get a better prospect.

  32. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Mike -

    Have you heard anything from our friend?

  33. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    BOS probably has eyes on Beltran. Didn’t they just cut Cameron?

  34. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Mike -

    The Mets are more interested in dumping salary at this point, so, a lower level prospect or 2 is all it should take. If Beltran stayed healthy, and performed well, maybe they don’t pickup Swisher’s option.

  35. ac1 July 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Chavez cannot be counted on. I would not put him in any team equation. Nunez can be the 3B backup. Beltan still looks like he can hit to me. He could also play some LF with a lefty starting. Gardner does not hit them much and Beltran can still run reasonably well in the OF.
    ___

    wait…
    some of you think that if we traded for beltran, he would back up brett gardner? really?
    Hate to break the news, but if we got Beltran at the deadline, Gardner would be the 4th OF for the rest of the year..

  36. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Phelps is hurt. Warren is not a top three starter per scouts. I doubt he will ever start for the Yankees. Trade may well be his best value. Noesi may or may not be a regular starter. You have to give to get and their will be competition. The one wild card is Beltran has a no trade and he could control where he can go.

    Since it is not my money, I would try to pay more salary for less prospects, but Alderson has said they want the reverse.

  37. Good Job Bad Job July 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Yanks have been in on Wandy Rodriquez apparently – trusted scout Tim Nearhing was on hand to see recent starts. Yankees are watching:

    4. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP, Astros – It’s no secret that he is being watched closely by the Yankees, who have sent a few people to watch some of his starts, including pro scout Tim Naehring, who just watched him pitch a shutout. While Rodriguez’s performance has been up and down, he shows signs of consistency that could land the Astros a bonanza at the deadline. Brett Myers also remains on the Yankees’ radar, but Myers has not had a very good season.

  38. ac1 July 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    And who cares about the Sox?
    Let them put another off season super team together, and then ESPN can say they will score 1200 runs and go 162-0, and then we can all have a good laugh when Theo decrees he will need to be active at the deadline to keep them from failing…

  39. Carlo July 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    AC – beltran would take more at bats away from Posada than he would Gardner.

  40. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Al-

    I haven’t heard much. He sent a few photos recently. He showed up here briefly the other day.

    That’s about it.

  41. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Laura -

    Yes, and the RS GM has said he intends to make a major upgrade in RF by trade DL. I’m sure they are taking a hard look at Beltran, and they have far less to offer than we do.

    Beltran has a unique no trade, he can say where he goes, and he’s always wanted to be a Yankee. I think we could re-sign him for about the same money it would cost us to pick up Swicher’s option.

  42. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Gammons said that the Sox couldn’t afford to add Beltran….that coukd just be him laying a cover for Theo though. Yanks should certainly look in to him as I think he could help quite a bit. He hits RHP very well and has pop vs LHP. Perfect rental.for the.rest of the season IMO

  43. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Carlo -

    And how is that a bad thing?

  44. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Beltran is, in my opinion, clearly more valuable than Gardner. However, Beltran could be a DH, RF and LF option. I would find him a spot virtually daily, but Gardner would still play a lot.

  45. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I wouldn’t give up any of the top guys for Wandy Rodriguez.

  46. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    The general thought on Wandy Rodriquez is would not do well in the AL East.

  47. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    No Brett Myers. He is not an upgrade over any of the Yankees top seven potential pitchers. Wandy may be, but I am uncertain how much of one.

  48. Good Job Bad Job July 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    blake July 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am
    Gammons said that the Sox couldn’t afford to add Beltran….that coukd just be him laying a cover for Theo though. Yanks should certainly look in to him as I think he could help quite a bit. He hits RHP very well and has pop vs LHP. Perfect rental.for the.rest of the season IMO

    *********

    Wilpon is too PR conscious – doubt they do anything to helps Yanks – even if Sandy comes to him with DePodesta and J.P. flanking him and begging him to sign off on the trade. Could it happen – anything is possible – but this is a guy very sensitive to the PR machine and having Beltran hit a walk off in October for the Yanks would be a disaster for him – why else has he turned his litigators into publicists so far and took to having an interview with Jeffrey Toobin.

  49. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Al-

    Do you think the Yankees would want to add that much payroll for a guy like Beltran ?

    I’m not sure they would. They might since it need only be a short-term thing.

    Would the Mets trade with us ? We might have competition.

  50. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 9:42 am

    If the Yankees get back healthy Chavez, Hughes and Soriano— they do not need to make any trades. (Although another lefty out of the pen would be nice.)

    Bring up Montero,and get everybody healthy is good enough for me.

  51. Carlo July 3rd, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Al – its not a bad thing at all. I was simply responding to the poster who said obtaining Beltran would make Gardner strictly a 4th outfielder.

  52. Good Job Bad Job July 3rd, 2011 at 9:43 am

    BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
    The general thought on Wandy Rodriquez is would not do well in the AL East.

    ***********

    Really only matters what Nearhing and his fellow peers in the Yankees organizations think. The Nearhing memo/e-mail to Eppler and Cashman may hold the answer – that plus how the pitching staff performs over the next month.

  53. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Mike -

    I think we both got the same E-mail with the pictures etc. I haven’t heard from him since he said he might join me in Scranton next month.

  54. ac1 July 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am

    No Wandy… i hope.
    Liriano seems to be the only one that may be available that most of us agree on.
    With Mauer not catching much anymore and the Twins need to power bats, they will surely ask for Montero.

    If the plan with hughes is to send Nova back to AAA, he may become a trade chip too…

    i think short of Liriano or a lefty in the pen (hopefully one of ours recovers), and maybe Beltran, what is there that would be better than what we have?

  55. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Al-

    Maybe the Lake swallowed him up ?

    :)

  56. Good Job Bad Job July 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Al-

    Do you think the Yankees would want to add that much payroll for a guy like Beltran ?

    I’m not sure they would. They might since it need only be a short-term thing.

    Would the Mets trade with us ? We might have competition.

    **********

    Yanks are flush with cash – Cashman has said so often – he has the money to spend with no Cliff Lee and/or Andy Pettitte on board (Soriano signing not withstanding). Money will not be an obstacle.

  57. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Carlo -

    Yeh, I understood that, I was just being facetious.

  58. ac1 July 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Al – its not a bad thing at all. I was simply responding to the poster who said obtaining Beltran would make Gardner strictly a 4th outfielder.

    ___

    Oddly i didnt even think about Posada…. You are right, he could DH too, so Gardner would get playing time. It’s just hard ‘right now’ to think of someone replacing swisher with the way he is hitting.

    That could even out, but right now, he is the hottest hitter on the team.

  59. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:46 am

    So here’s a nice haul at the TD :

    Liriano
    Beltran
    Choate

    :)

  60. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Mike -

    As I said earlier, Beltran has a unique contract, which will allow him to pick the team he’s traded to, and he can say no to any trade he doesn’t want, so yes, he could force the Mets to trade him to the Yankeess, if that’s what both sides want.

  61. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Nova for Liriano staright up would be a fair trade……doubt the twins will see it that way but he is perfect for what they want in their starters.

  62. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Who would Liriano replace in the Yankees rotation? Or is it more of thinking to obtain him for the pen.

  63. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Blake-

    I think they would want Romine more than Nova.

    Mauer is not likely to be their C long term.

  64. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Mike -

    Has Choate been healthy, he’s only pitched 14.2 innings this season?

  65. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    blake -

    The Twins will be looking for a catcher more than a pitcher, or perhaps both.

  66. austinmac July 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    MTU,

    After your 9:46 post I officially nominate you for acting, pretend GM. You are entitled to all the benefits that come with that position. Unfortunately, money is not among them.

  67. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Tar-

    CC
    Colon
    Liriano
    AJ
    Hughes/Garcia/Nova

    2 lefties. Balanced for our competition.

  68. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Tar -

    Good question. If we have too many pitchers when Hughes returns, who do we move at the trade DL? Perhaps we trade Freddy, and/or Nova.

  69. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    MTU,

    Im sure they would but he just doesn’t have that much value I don’t think……only to contenders with financial ability to.take a flyer on somebody. I would guess the Yankees and Rangers and maybe even the Red Sox.would be involved…….Nova would be a great fit for the Twins. I would love Tk add Liriano for the upside and because the hand he throws with but the Twins have to be realistic or no thanks……they can just keep him and trade him for nothing next year if they want to play hardball.

  70. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Austin-

    All of that might be doable as opposed to the usual Chip type trade proposals.

    Al-

    I just touched on Choate because of potential availability. Not sure about his health.

    I would love a guy like Thornton but he is not likely to be available.

    Lefty reliever would have to be at the top of Cashman’s to do list.

  71. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am

    So Lirano replaces one of Nova or Garcia.

    Beside being a lefty– I just don’t see that as a significant upgrade at all.

    Come post -season all those guys will be in the pen anyway.

    IMO (if you get him) it makes sense to put him in the pen for the remainder of this year. Next year you have a nice LH SP to work with.

    Otherwise I just don’t see the cost-benefit of that deal.

  72. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Mike -

    Since we’re making like crazy GM’s here, how about Noesi, Nova and 1 other prospect for Thornton?

  73. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Regarding Wandy Rodriguez. Few concerns: recent trip DL for elbow inflammation. worst ERA’s this year Phillies and Tampa Bay. very inconsistent-gets rocked by Rays then shuts out Rangers.
    look at his attached player profile with last months starts and split stats. Biggest negative is the contract especially what happens if traded!

    3 years/$34M (2011-13), plus 2014 club option

    11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    option may become guaranteed based on performance
    option becomes player option with trade

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....bLXCSFCLcF

    You could probably have the same concerns about Liriano

  74. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 am

    BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
    Mike -

    Has Choate been healthy, he’s only pitched 14.2 innings this season?

    ____

    Ill answer this because ive watched quite a few Marlins games this season. They are using Choate strictly as a lefty specialist. He comes in to face 1 or 2 left handed batters and they take him out.

  75. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Al-

    Way too much. But he just isn’t available right now.

    If we did offer that Williams would have to be nuts to turn that down.

    It would be completed in a heartbeat.

  76. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Tar-

    Liriano’s upside is higher than Garcia or Nova’s IMO.

    When he’s on he’s absolutely dominating.

    He threw a no-no this season.

  77. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Mike -

    Like I said – Crazy! I’m really glad I don’t have Cashman’s job, it’s a whole lot tougher than folks can imagine.

  78. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “Noesi, Nova and 1 other prospect for Thornton?”

    AL

    Thorton would be nice– but why trade-2 young cost controlled, somewhat high ceiling starting pitchers for a Relief pitcher?

    Cashman would have to feel that this is the last piece to put him over the top, to make that deal.

  79. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Al-

    Especially in the white hot glow of NYC.

    ;)

  80. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Good morning all:

    Another lefty in the pen would be nice, but not necessary. Look at what Beltran did switching to right handed against Rivera.

    The Yankees will have a glut of starters in SWB if Noesi[stretched to start]is sent. IMHO Nova will go to bullpen and is very effective at getting ground ball outs, a plus when coming in with runners on.

    Rather than overpaying Noesi AND Nova for Thornton if Michael Adams, who is rumored to be available now, who plays with the the Padres[minor league team to red Sox] go get him. He’s been one of the best relief pitcers for the last 4-5 years, walks are nil, and lefties and righties do squat against him, <.200 BA.

  81. Joe from Long Island July 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I’ve got stuff to do today- company coming over- but I will reiterate what I’ve said before. The only way I take Liriano, regardless of price, is if his arm has been checked out seven ways till Sunday.

  82. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:12 am

    OK YT.

    here’s the revised TD haul:

    Liriano
    Beltran
    Adams

    You happy now.

    :)

  83. Good Job Bad Job July 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Joe from Long Island July 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
    I’ve got stuff to do today- company coming over- but I will reiterate what I’ve said before. The only way I take Liriano, regardless of price, is if his arm has been checked out seven ways till Sunday.

    **********

    Let’s just hope the Yanks use a different evaluation process than the one they used before signing Feliciano.

  84. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Mike -

    I’ll pass on Thornton! He has a WHIP of 1.69, and BAA of .292. We’re better off with what we got. Choate is having a good season in FL, but his career numbers are not good. Let’s hope some how Feliciano comes back this season in time for the PS.

  85. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:14 am

    The sole reason I would have interest in Liriano is for the playoffs…..they don’t need him for the regular season. The rotation is fine for the 162 games marathon…..my concern is how it stacks up in a short series. I would like to aquire Liriano and try to get him pitching well by the start of the postseason…..

  86. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Al-

    Or Marte ?

    ;)

  87. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am

    MTU -

    Please step aside, YT has risen to the top of LoHud GM’s this morning.

  88. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Liriano, other than being left handed is a #7 on the Yankee list. Why would NYYs readed a young and healthy pitcher for a pitcher than isn’t pitching as well as anybody NY already has…not to mention that he can’t be depended on to stay reasonably healthy. That would give NY 2 pitchers and 3 that are best classified as a “hope and a prayer”. Add in the talent cost and money involved with somebody like Rodriguez will cost. Beltran replaces who? And at what cost? Sorry, no. Unless the new outfielder has a full-time spot, who goes? You don’t pay $9 mil for a platoon player for half a year,

    People complain on here on a daily basis that NY doesn’t have homegrown talent because they trade them off, and they finally get them and people want to move them out for an aging high priced player from another team.

  89. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “Liriano’s upside is higher than Garcia or Nova’s IMO’

    Talking about the future I agree. A nice young lefty is always good to have.

    This year (after watching Nova and Garcia) I think their upside as starters is at least equal to what I would expect from Liriano.

    I think he works for this team as a weapon out of the pen and a future starter.

  90. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Al-

    w/o hesiation. The pressure was getting to me anyway.

  91. BIG AL July 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Marte, does he still play baseball, or has he become a video game?

    Got to go, catch y’all later.

  92. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 am

    MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
    Tar-

    Liriano’s upside is higher than Garcia or Nova’s IMO.

    When he’s on he’s absolutely dominating.

    He threw a no-no this season.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s been “on” twice this year and he pitches in an airport.

  93. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    So my final answer is No for Wandy Rodriguez. Throw in Hunter Pence[fat chance] and I’m now thinking about that one.

    Maybe for Liriano
    DEFINITELY for Beltran if “The Price is Right.”
    Most definitely for Mike Adams-maybe offer less to take on Ludwicks remainder of his 6.7M contract. Adams is cost controlled thru 2012.

    Thinking small:
    4th OF’er Reed Johnson
    infielder Jamey Carroll

    both good contact hitters batting >.300

  94. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Do nothing.

    Trade no one.

    Make it an in-house upgrade year.

    :)

  95. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am

    “Do nothing.”

    Now your talking. :D

    I like this team- especially when healthy.

  96. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am

    GB-

    I think of him more like Blake does.

    To balance out the rotation for the playoffs, and also for future upside.

    Perhaps we can obtain him for less than we would think ?

    Worth a shot IMO.

  97. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    GB-

    One more thing. No wonder Liriano has been inconsistent.

    All that noise at the Airport had to have affected his concentration.

    He should try pitching at a baseball stadium next time.

    Much better.

    ;)

  98. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 am

    This is a promising trade deadline because Cashman has enough trade chips outside of the top prospects to fill needs. He shouldn’t have to sell the farm to acquire a #2 starter, a lefty reliever or a long-term upgrade in the outfield like Colby Rasmus. Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova, Hector Noesi, Adam Warren, Corban Joseph all have high trade value right now. Guys like Freddy Garcia have value to the many teams who need starters to make a playoff push. Francisco Cervelli has value simply due to the fact that teams need ML-ready catchers. Cashman can make a big splash without draining the best hitters and pitchers in the system. So this trade deadline should be exceptional to watch. Cashman has leverage. I can’t wait to see what he does with it.

  99. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Please step aside, YT has risen to the top of LoHud GM’s this morning.
    ——————————————————–

    Curses!!! Please don’t confuse me with Chip!!

    Realistically, with the way the bats and pitching are producing the Yankees currently could use some small changes.

    Another quality arm in the bullpen. Concerned that Soriano,comes back and with the slightest elbow twinge, gets himself shut down for the year.

    Don’t really need Beltran for what it will cost in $$$ and/or prospects.

  100. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am

    As long as It’s Yankee Trader and NOT Yankee Traitor I’m all for YT being named honorary LoHud GM.

    :)

  101. Joe from Long Island July 3rd, 2011 at 10:28 am

    GB, I’m with you. Enough of trading kids with upside for names that are past their primes.

  102. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    YT-

    If you want the job you DO have to rappel down the side of a building in your birthday suit though.

    Remember that.

    ;)

  103. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
    GB-

    I think of him more like Blake does.

    To balance out the rotation for the playoffs, and also for future upside.

    Perhaps we can obtain him for less than we would think ?

    Worth a shot IMO

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The Yanks already have position problems in the rotation. How does adding one just because he throws left handed help? He pitches in that cavern and still has trouble getting his ERA under 5. The worst pitcher in the NYY rotation is 3/4th of a run better.

  104. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    MTU-

    Aargh!!! I thought we were friends. I’d sooner be flogged then ever turncoat and become Yankee Traitor!! I’m this close to calling my associates in Philly! :)

  105. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    GB,

    For what he COULD do in the playoffs…..that’s the only reason. I get your viewpoint and it makes sense…….but I just think the current rotation lacks some frontline ability which is often what wins come playoff time. Liriano has real frontline ability……he’s in a bad environment for him with people who want him to pitch to contact. All Im saying is that Id be willing to deal for the chance that a change of scenery could get him going. Obbiosuly that means you don’t trade a ton for him…..

  106. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 am

    YT-

    Oh no. Not that. Calm down.

    :)

  107. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:33 am

    I think the Yankees have a lot of guys in their system with mid-back end rotation potential…..they can’t all be in the 3-5 spots. Unless they want the most seasoned AAA rotation in the minors then they are going to have to deal some of them at some point.

  108. Betsy July 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Blake, I just would not do that. I would not trade promising youngsters for a guy with Liriano’s injury history who isn’t a lock to be what you want him to be in the playoffs anyway. I don’t think our rotation really stacks up for the playoffs either, but I’d rather do nothing rather than make a bad trade.

  109. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 am

    YT-

    If you want the job you DO have to rappel down the side of a building in your birthday suit though.
    ——————————————————-
    If I’m picking the building I’m picking a ranch house!!

    Assistant to the assistant to Cahman-is that the job!

  110. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Liriano definitely has big game potential. Current stat samples aside, who do you want on the mound in a big playoff game against the Sox lineup, a guy like Nova who is still learning and is not a lefty or the guy who has playoff pitching experience and a swing-and-miss arsenal of pitches?

    It’s a serious question and I hope Cashman addresses it.

    Since Cashman has plenty of depth and trade value to piece together a package for a solid starting pitcher, he shouldn’t have to deal the top prospects in the system. That means I would not trade the best hitters (Montero + Romine) or the best pitchers (Banuelos + Betances).

  111. jpb173 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Does anyone know why the Yankees haven’t brought up Randy Flores (from Scranton) to be the second lefty out ofn the bullpen? Are his splits unfavorable to getting major league lefthand hitters out? It seems to me he would be more valuable to the Yankees than Sergio Mitre.

  112. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Stack this :

    CC
    Colon
    Hughes

    Against this:

    Doc
    Lee
    Hamels

    Or this:

    Lester
    Beckett
    Bucholz

    Looks close.

    Anything can happen in short series.

  113. Giuseppe Franco July 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I’m with Joe and GB on keeping the guys they’ve already got. I wouldn’t bet on a big trade for a starting pitcher unless something major happens with the health of the guys they’ve got now.

    They are riding a good wave. Might as well ride that wave as long as you can until it flattens out.

    Don’t mess with a good thing until it becomes necessary.

  114. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    GB,

    Because he was pretty darn good last year and because he’s shown this year that he can be dominant…..he doesn’t like it in Minnesota. I just think he could help them potentially for October and potentially help bridge the gap next year to Betances and Banuelos. Admittedly it would be an all potential move and may totally flame out ……but the risk coukd pay off and that’s why Id consider it if Minnesota will deal fairly.

  115. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Sorry, Blake, but, he hasn’t been “front line” this year other than a couple of games. What happens if NYYs trade for him by giving up Nova and Liriano goes down for the count? Or completely bombs? Seems like he’s been a miss in the post season anyway. Just not worth a shot in the dark. I prefer going with what’s on the roster.

  116. Giuseppe Franco July 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am

    By nature, the playoffs are a crapshoot anyways, so I’m not concerned with how this rotation stacks up against BOS, PHI, or the Bad News Bears for that matter.

  117. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Blake-

    We lose. GB wins.

    :(

  118. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “Current stat samples aside, who do you want on the mound in a big playoff game against the Sox lineup, a guy like Nova who is still learning and is not a lefty or the guy who has playoff pitching experience and a swing-and-miss arsenal of pitches?”

    What you are describing is an “out of the pen situation”.

    Nova ( or Liriano) wouldn’t be starting that game.

    CC
    AJ
    Bartolo
    Hughes- Garcia

  119. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I don’t think any front office in the league views the playoffs as enough of a crapshoot to resist the urge to try to manipulate the probabilities and percentages in your favor by putting the best possible product out on that playoff field according to what the scouts get paid to evaluate.

  120. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I understand the idea of why mess with a good thing…..but sometimes you have to look beyond how good a team is playing and consider the actual personnel. A lot depends on how Hughes looks when he comes back…..luckily they should have a sample of him before the deadline to see where he’s at.

  121. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Big concern as pointed out by GB is Liriano’s ERA this season at home-6.55 in that pitching friendly ballpark. Even, everyone’s favorite Yankee-Idle, has a 2.77 ERA at home.

  122. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Tar.

    Liriano would get the ball in Game 2 vs. the Sox. That’s a lefty lineup so you go CC-Liriano. It’s a ways away and anything can happen to any starter, positive or negative so it’s impossible to project with any certainty.

  123. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    The 2009 Yankee rotation didn’t stack up to The Angels or Philadelphia’s either. but seems like things tend to happen when the Yankee teams get annoyed. That’s when they do things that they aren’t supposed to still be able to do.

  124. MTU July 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 am

    I’ll think some more about all this while I’m out walkin’ the Mops.

    :)

  125. blake July 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 am

    “Sorry, Blake, but, he hasn’t been “front line” this year other than a couple of games. What happens if NYYs trade for him by giving up Nova and Liriano goes down for the count? Or completely bombs? Seems like he’s been a miss in the post season anyway. Just not worth a shot in the dark. I prefer going with what’s on the roster.”

    Insert Noesi who I think could be just as good or better anyway. Its a risk like I said but my point is that I think the Yankees have a few guys with Nova’s potential or even better.

  126. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am

    “I’m with Joe and GB on keeping the guys they’ve already got.”

    You can add my name to that side of the ledger.

    Liriano only makes sense to me as pen guy this year. And that cost is probably prohibitive.

  127. Giuseppe Franco July 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I don’t think any front office in the league views the playoffs as enough of a crapshoot to resist the urge to try to manipulate the probabilities and percentages in your favor by putting the best possible product out on that playoff field according to what the scouts get paid to evaluate.

    ———-

    You don’t fix what ain’t broken. And you also don’t force trades that just aren’t worth the risk, especially for a guy like Liriano (who isn’t really much of an upgrade, if any at all).

    Those two things are also taught in Front Office 101.

  128. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:46 am

    That’s just your opinion. The scouts may disagree.

  129. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Over Liriano’s career, Boston has nailed him for an 8 ERA and in Boston, it’s even worse…12.50. That’s beyond ugly.

  130. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Bret

    Barring an injury or complete meltdown- Joe is in now way going to pick Liriano’s name to start over AJ or Bartolo.

    Left handed doesn’t matter. heck he could be Venditte handed– it still wouldn’t matter.

  131. Yankee Trader July 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Still have 29 days to trade without needing to have the players pass thru waivers.

    Things will sort themselves out after evaluating Hughes, Soriano. Chavez, and others.

    The Yankees have a glut of pitching at AAA from which to deal.

  132. Giuseppe Franco July 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:46 am

    That’s just your opinion. The scouts may disagree.

    ———

    The scouts aren’t in charge of this team and they wouldn’t be the guy taking the risk. It would be Cashman.

  133. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    GB,

    Those numbers might be something the Yankees look at.

    Tar,

    It sounds like you don’t think Liriano is talented enough to pitch Game 2 over AJ or Colon. But like I said it depends on what happens down the stretch over a long period of time. AJ can be a gas can and Colon might not have the stamina/health to make it to that point. The idea is to upgrade Nova. The idea is to hope you get the best version of Liriano down the stretch. If Cashman can acquire him without parting with the guys I mentioned (Montero + Romine + Betances + Banuelos) I think he should do it.

  134. tyanksfan36 July 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Fausto Carmona hits the DL with a quad injury when running the bases. Darn interleague injuries.

    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe.....ans_t.html

  135. Tar July 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    “It sounds like you don’t think Liriano is talented enough to pitch Game 2 over AJ or Colon.’

    I don’t. More importantly I would bet the house that Giradi doesn’t.

    “The idea is to upgrade Nova.”

    Nova is not going to start in the post season. And right now Liriano is not an upgrade ( and a significant injury risk) over Nova. I say keep your own talent.

    Time for Brunch. Yummmmmmm

    Catch you all later.

  136. Giuseppe Franco July 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    If the Yanks are going to play BOS in the postseason, it wouldn’t be until the ALCS.

    Keep in mind, both teams have to get there first. And Boston hasn’t won a playoff game since 2008. They got swept in 2009 and finished in 3rd last season.

    You also have to remember that both teams may not even be able to set their rotation the way they want. It’s possible one team or the other has a tough ALDS and it goes 5 games.

    There’s too much unknown and too much baseball to be played on the field before we worry about who is going to pitch Game 2 and Game 3 in a fantasy scenario that may or may not even happen.

  137. Bret The Hitman July 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Tar,

    There are many scenarios that can play out where Nova may indeed to be called upon to make a playoff start.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Liriano would have to be exceedingly low risk in terms of what we’d give up for me to do it.

    But the lack of regard for him here is kind of crazy. A healthy Liriano, who at his best has 3 plus pitches to work with, with Rothschild guiding him to pitch to his strength – making guys whiff – & I daresay CC around to kick his a s s, if necessary, that would be some kind of upgrade.

    The risks are he gets out of whack mechanically & you worry about that slider being an injury risk as well as profit from it as a weapon to get hitters to whiff.

    A lot has to go right once you’ve acquired him to make it worthwhile, but if it goes right, you’ve got another stud for the rotation, & a lefty at that. He’s also signed only through 2012 I think, which would be better than getting hung up with something longer term contract. Manny & Dellin are arriving at some point in the near future.

  139. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Liriano’s ERA on the road is inflated by his poor April numbers. He has been pretty darn good in May and June. The good news is that his K/BB rates in June are similar to what he was doing last year: 3.86. He is also again getting swings and misses on his slider and the walks are down. When good, Liriano is very good. However, is he an injury risk, especially when he throws a slider so much? Yes. So, are you willing to play Russian roulette? Then the next question is what would Minnesota demand for him?

    Wang pitched in another rehab start yesterday. Go, Chien Ming! http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews.....1107030014

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I seem to recall Liriano shutting down Boston’s lineup with a big K performance last season.

    They’ve also added lefties that would probably have a tougher time with him than that RH dominant lineup they’ve been trotting out there the past few years.

  141. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Is it supposed to rain all day out in Flushing? It is pouring here in north central NJ.

  142. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Prufrock, Liriano had good numbers vs. Boston in 2010 season. But better away from Fenway.

  143. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    tyanks, as per my question last night, did you get a look at Daniel Lopez’s speed running the bases or in the OF?

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    When good, Liriano is very good. However, is he an injury risk, especially when he throws a slider so much? Yes. So, are you willing to play Russian roulette? Then the next question is what would Minnesota demand for him?
    ////

    Exactly YF. The Jekyll-Hyde factor would leave me loathe to give up Nova, since he appears ready to take the next step. What I would part with is the Phelps/Warren tier of pitching & have to see what position player(s) they’d want. Also depends on who’s competing with us for him & how that affects the price.

    I admit I’m stingy though. Keep your mitts off my Romines & Josephs (:hides under chair as untouchable list has reached embarrassing proportions :D)

  145. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 am

    tyanks, ugh, just posted about Chien Ming at virtually the same time you were posting about Carmona. I truly fear for the AL pitchers in these interleague games. I can’t even watch our pitcher AB’s except for CC’s. He is a different breed (um, beast). :)

  146. yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Pruf, hate to say it, but what they do with Romine may elucidate what they really think about Montero… Romine looks awfully good… & CoJo is my boy, but alas, one without a position. :(

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock July 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 am

    yankeefeminista July 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 am
    Prufrock, Liriano had good numbers vs. Boston in 2010 season. But better away from Fenway.
    ///

    No problem. We aren’t exactly the Twins offense & often make ourselves at home in Fenway at the plate. We can outslug those boys. Liriano & C just have to get out their best hitter (by far) & it’s under control ;).

    We get Liriano & he’s useful we have the prohibitively better pitching staff (already we’re better, but adding the second lefty who’s actually a really good one would seal the deal).

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