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Jeter: “I don’t try to prove anything to anyone”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter’s return from the disabled list has only intensified the debate about his value to the Yankees.

Jeter’s place in team history is indisputable, but his current place in the lineup and on the field has become open to discussion.

“I don’t try to prove anything to anyone,” Jeter said. “I try to help our team win. That’s what I’ve always tried to do. There’s constant questions. This isn’t the first year I’ve been asked questions. I’ve been asked questions last year, so it’s nothing new to me. I try not to pay attention to it. I try to improve.

“There are going to periods when you play well and periods when you play poorly. I’ll just try to go out there and be a little bit more consistent than I’ve been so far. I try to focus on positives, and I’m going to try to move forward. I can’t change anything that’s happened up until this point. I can just focus on the rest of this season.”

Jeter’s detractors will point to his diminished range at shortstop. His supporters will note that he rarely makes errors, and that Eduardo Nunez and Ramiro Pena — far more dynamic defenders — have combined for 15 errors.

Jeter’s detractors will point to his career lows in batting average and on-base percentage, and to the fact that his OBP is lower than every other Yankees regular. His supporters will note that Jeter’s been especially productive in the first inning, and that the Yankees best alternative in the leadoff spot — Brett Gardner — has been remarkably streaky, including a .261 on-base percentage in his last 12 games before Jeter’s return.

Jeter’s detractors will point to Nunez’s bat, speed and arm strength and say it’s time to begin the transition at shortstop. His supporters will note Nunez’s fielding errors and the fact he was hitting just .255/.309/.353 as Jeter’s replacement before those two huge games at Citi Field.

“You miss (Jeter)’s leadership,” Joe Girardi said. “You miss his consistency. What he does. His consistent personality on a daily basis. What he brings to your lineup. What he brings to your defense. You miss him. It’s not easy to replace someone like Derek Jeter.”

Jeter’s detractors will say Girardi is blindly throwing his faith behind an aging player who’s time has come and gone.

Jeter’s supporters will say Girardi is simply stating the obvious.

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194 Responses to “Jeter: “I don’t try to prove anything to anyone””

  1. Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    nicely written chad….As always :)

  2. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Great post Chad

  3. blake July 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I like knowing that when a routine ground ball is hit to SS it will be made into an out almost always.

    They do need to find playing time for Nunez though. Probably a day a week at 3B, a day a week at SS, and a day a week in the outfield….maybe an occasional day at 2b to give Cano a breather.

  4. Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I have a feeling that huges fastball will have extra velocity on it tommorrow bc he’ll be amped up.

  5. Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Hughes**

  6. blake July 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    With Jeter coming back I think its time to let Andrew go. Nunez can play outfield some and they could bring Dickerson back up if they need to. Nunez is a better RH bat off the bench and Jones is a wasted roster spot that could be used in a number of ways.

  7. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Ahhhh I do love the early morning posts…no player bashing…no fighting w/ other posters…all the intangibles :)

  8. jonathan p July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    jeters time has definately come and gone…as a YANKEE fan who is the better player now? eduardo nunez.
    who has a livlier bat? eduardo nunez
    who would i rather have on the team? eduardo nunez
    jeter should have never been given a 3 or 4 year contract.

  9. 86w183 July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Kate — Give it time

    I agree Nunez needs to play more going forward. Certainly he should get Anruw Jones’ at bats and possibly spell Swisher and Posada against lefties

  10. Keith--FL July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    For me its simple–Derek Jeter has been an awesome Yankee and has helped bring us 5 championships and he shud still be our starting SS 4-5 games a week; but he should not bat leadoff, he should bat 8 or 9 and he should be the captain and leader he is and tell Girardi that’s what he wants to do. This way the media knows it’s Jeters idea and we don’t have the media sharks circling!!

  11. blake July 5th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Trade market is getting ready to start to take form…..will be interesting as always.

  12. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Blake-

    Do you think the Yankees are gonna make a play for Adams, Bell, or K-Rod as insurance against soriano ?

    What would you offer ?

  13. Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    I still feel bad for nova… Its crazy that a pitcher who’s 8-4 had to be sent down. Only the yankees. …**sigh**He could easily be a number 3-4 starter on most major league teams right now.

  14. pat July 5th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Derek seems more grounded in the reality of the situation he finds himself in than those who root for him or comment on him lately.

    He’s not turning to sawdust at the rate some fans suggest he is but he is also not the necessary cog on and off the field for the Yankees that many in the media are still trying to portray him to be.

  15. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Benny
    I am surprised Nova was sent down before Phil even had the opportunity to pitch. At least this way he stays on a regular schedule. I have no doubt Nova will return at some point during the season.

  16. NYY fan in NH July 5th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    The fact that Jeter doesn’t drive the ball in the air, mainly grounders is alarming to me. I don’t mind him at SS, but the part of the order he hits should be adressed.

  17. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:25 am
    I still feel bad for nova

    *********************
    Benny-me too. Even though I suspected that would be the move they’d make, it still took me by surprise. I’m sure he’ll be back sooner or later though. :)

  18. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 9:25 am
    I still feel bad for nova… Its crazy that a pitcher who’s 8-4 had to be sent down. Only the yankees. …**sigh**He could easily be a number 3-4 starter on most major league teams right now.

    ———————————————————————————————

    Do you realize how much of a luxury it is for the Yankees to have that much pitching depth?

  19. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    MTU

    Would you really like to see Krod coming out of the pen for the Yankees?

    I don’t think I do.

  20. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    MY-

    What about Adams ? YT was all over that. Good against righties and lefties.

    Blake made a good point the other day. The pen is thin if the Yankees do not believe Soriano can hold up his end due to bad health.

    We have competition for Adams. He won’t come that cheap.

    What would give for him, if anything ?

  21. 86w183 July 5th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I’d be surprised if the Yanks don’t strengthen the pen — especially if they get the feeling Soriano won’t make it back. Hard to see the current pen getting 10 + outs in the post-season.

    Nova will be back rather soon I suspect. I think keeping him on a regular routine for the next two or three starts was preferable to making him a glorified long man out of a bullpen that rarely needs one.

  22. blake July 5th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    MTU,

    I think a lot depends on where they feel Soriano is. I would like to have Bell or Adams but if K Rod coukd be had for a lot less on the prospects end then I think id rather just do that …..maybe they could work a Beltran + Krod deal?

  23. blake July 5th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    If Im the Mets and a team offers to take both Beltran and Krod off my hands then im listening whether it’s the Yankees or not. I can’t think of many teams that would be willing to take KRod’s salary and he has a no trade. I would look into that if I were the Yanks as it shouldn’t cost much in prospects and could help them in two areas.

  24. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    As you pointed out Soriano is just one more injury away from being shut down for the season.

    I think the Yankees are very interested in Adams because he does well against both sides of the plate and he has another year of control.

    Problem is we have competition for his services. That means the price is higher.

    Who would you surrender for him ?

  25. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Blake-

    For example, would you give 1 of Warren, Phelps, Noesi, Mitchell ?

    I’m not sure I would.

    Maybe they’d even ask for Nova back. They had him in the rule V.

    I certainly wouldn’t surrender him for a reliever.

  26. 86w183 July 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Adams also makes $ 5 M less than Bell this year, which adds to his value.

    Would probably cost Nova or Noesi plus a lesser arm… that’s pretty steep for a set up guy

  27. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    86-

    It is. I wouldn’t let Nova go for that. Probably not Noesi either.

  28. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Gossip Break:

    http://tiny.cc/2a0tf

  29. randy l. July 5th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    jeter should do as he has always done and rise above the pettiness and focus on doing what he does.

    even addressing the criticism is a mistake.

    people like lgy/jerface on this blog and the assorted mobs of negativity off the blog aren’t worth responding to or even acknowledging they exist.

    focus on being good and on winning.

  30. NYY fan in NH July 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I don’t trust Soriano even if he comes back. I just feel that this guy’s heart isn’t in it with Yanks. I think he just took the money and won’t adjust. I hope i’m wrong, but I’d solidy the pen even more unless they find lightning in a bottle with DJ Mitchell or Kontos, but Adams would be a nice fit.

  31. joeman July 5th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    they better go looking for a closer just to cover their butt for now and get ready for no mo in their future…just saying

  32. blake July 5th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    MTU,

    All depends on where Soriano is and the cost. I hate giving up a lot for relievers……they burn you too often.

  33. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Chad you wrote a little something for both camps. Very fair indeed.

    I am an uanpologetic Jeter supporter and will be until it’s time for him to wrap up his great career. And I want him to make that call, not shortsighted, disgruntled “fans”. He will not ever be replaced no matter how young or quick the new shortstop is.

    I want to enjoy these final days we have with him. Simply put, he has brought Yankee fans hundreds of hours of sheer entertainment.

    GO JETE!

  34. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    randy

    Good to see you in a good mood this am.

    I’ve been wondering, Do you charge an extra tax on your customers that are RS fans?

    They probably leave the store feeling like you have a mask on and a gun in their back.

  35. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Hah! Thanks, Erin. Enjoyed that. My first thought was…”wait, how OLD IS she?”

    Cougar-lover indeed.

  36. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    This was an amazing sequence of posts:

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Ahhhh I do love the early morning posts…no player bashing…no fighting w/ other posters…all the intangibles :)

    jonathan p July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    jeters time has definately come and gone…as a YANKEE fan who is the better player now? eduardo nunez.

  37. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    A-rod, my man, what are you doing :(

  38. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Wang
    My sentiments exactly. I realize that Jeter at 37 is not the same player he was at 27, but he is still pretty darn good, and I want to enjoy him while I can.

  39. dan l July 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Jeter STINKS! He needs to retire!

  40. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Shame
    well at least there is no fighting between posters yet!

  41. vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Jeter is not good for the Yankees. he has become (inevitably perhaps) a me first player.

    It is obvious that the Yankees are a better team if Derek is a part time player. Sad that the chance for a World Series has to be compromised to sustain Derek’s inflated ego and the illusion that he is anything but a shadow of his former self.

  42. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Christie is beautiful, yes, but that’s like dating your mother. ugh…

  43. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Jeter’s greatest asset has been in bedding girls that are actually hot at a time when they are still hot.

  44. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 10:07 am
    Wang
    My sentiments exactly. I realize that Jeter at 37 is not the same player he was at 27, but he is still pretty darn good, and I want to enjoy him while I can.

    ~~~~~~~~~

    EXACTLY!! ;)

  45. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:06 am
    Hah! Thanks, Erin. Enjoyed that. My first thought was??wait, how OLD IS she??

    Cougar-lover indeed.

    ****************************

    Wang-yeah, that was my reaction too. :lol:

  46. dan l July 5th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Just flush the JETER down the john and be done with him forever! The bum need to be gone! I love making fun of the JETER! He sucks! A useless POS. He’s a HAS BEEN!

  47. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Hey, I wouldn’t mind, though, if Jete did bring back the bubble gum — just for ‘ol times sake. Loved the bubbles as he was motoring around the bases…

  48. Mike Ri July 5th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Tell us how you really feel dan I… goodness

  49. pat July 5th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “He will not ever be replaced no matter how young or quick the new shortstop is.”

    “Jeter STINKS! He needs to retire!”

    Opposite ends of the spectrum and both more reliant on heart than head.

  50. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    A) The “bench Jeter” stuff is nuts. Nunez had a couple of good games at the plate but he was an adventure in the field and like Chad said, didn’t really distinguish himself during the rest of the time he played. He’ll maybe become a good player but is he ready to take Derek’s spot? Nope. If anything, this season I can see him becoming a Ben Zobrist type for the Yankees where we see his name in the lineup at a bunch of different spots in the second half.

    B) The Nova move does make sense. Garcia’s pitching well and Nova in the pen would serve no purpose. I’m sure though that he’ll be back up at some point this season – there will be an injury, someone will be ineffective, baseball tends to take care of itself that way.

    C) as for the trade market, I just don’t see where the Yankees make an addition. The starter market is thin and overpriced, they don’t need a position player and if they want to upgrade the back up catcher spot they’ll do it from within. The pen is going to get deeper when Soriano comes back, maybe they pick up a fourth/fifth outfielder but that’s probably it.

  51. NYY fan in NH July 5th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Jeter’s decline has been going on for a year and 1/2 now. I can’t just give up on him, but this isn’t a fluke period that’s going on either. Yankees will make the best decision. Front office won’t take much longer on this difficult decision.

  52. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Lol, I feel like we’re being infiltrated again.

    I know I’m late to the party on this one, but what are people’s thoughts on Reyes being injured? Does it help or hurt the Mets?

    I see both sides.. but I think it ends up hurting them more. Reminds everyone that Reyes is injury prone. Something getting to .500 can apparently make people forget. (I still think its the biggest joke ever that people talk about the Mets playing themselves into contention but if I continue to type right now you’ll all end up with a War and Peace novel about my utter contempt for false narratives and basic stupidity.)

  53. charlestonchew July 5th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    The only part of the team the Yankees are likely to improve is the bench.

    Our pitching is solid – performing well beyond expectations and our lineup has been good. There is no realistic or worthy replacement for any of the regulars.

    We could, of course, get a lefty for the pen, but it’s not necessary.

  54. dan l July 5th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Jeter first fans make me want puke! I love making fun of them! I think Jeter stinks. He can not hit anymore at night or against right handed pitchers or against relievers. He is decent only on the short side of a platoon! JETER IS LOSING HIS EYESIGHT! He needs to go!

  55. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    pat,

    What are the odds the Yanks are going to find another first ballot HOFer to replace Jete? That’s why he will never be replaced. There are certain players that come along that make their mark in history. That’s what he’s done with his time in pinstripes. We see good players come and go all the time — but you can really do a comparison until their careers are over.

    I have no doubt that at some point the Yanks will have a good shortshop — perhaps even great one in Jeter’s spot. But let them play as many years as Jeter did with the same consistency, leadership and champships and then we can talk about how my statement is all heart.

    But I do understand your initial reaction to my statement. And yes, there was a ton of heart behind it. There’s a lot of common sense, as well. ;)

  56. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I want the Yankees to get another good reliever. Mike Adams or Heath Bell would be a crazy good pickup but probably too expensive, so I think they end up just waiting for Soriano. I’d like someone who can DH and play the OF that can hit. Maybe a starter if they can get an upgrade that doesn’t cost Montero or the B’s.

    The Yankees are in a kind of state where they don’t have any glaring weaknesses and almost everyone is producing at just a high enough level where you can’t sell a replacement coming in and taking over.

  57. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    NYY fan in NH July 5th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    Jeter’s decline has been going on for a year and 1/2 now. I can’t just give up on him, but this isn’t a fluke period that’s going on either. Yankees will make the best decision. Front office won’t take much longer on this difficult decision.

    ——————-

    Playing Devil’s Advocate:

    What, precisely, would/should the front office do?

    Derek’s in the first year of a 3 year deal for a large sum of money – do you DFA him and eat the contract (and the massive PR hit that would come along with it)

    Bench Derek – embarass the captain, a Yankee icon and the only Yankee in the team’s history to have 3,000 hits?

    Tell Derek quietly this winter that it is time for him to retire? What do you do when he says “no” or worse, what do you do when the story goes public?

  58. heyman_sux July 5th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Derek Jeter couldn’t hold Eduardo Nunez’ jock

  59. Wang IS Taiwan July 5th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I feel like GB right now with my typos. Please ignore. It’s late there and I’ve got a very early start tomorrow. Enjoy the day everyone!

  60. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Before dating Brinkley he has to kill Billy Joel and correctly answer the riddle of the sphinx.

  61. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    I’m disappointed to hear that Nova got sent down–I Had hoped that the Yanks would bring back Phil in the ‘pen until a slot opened up in the rotation. Still, the move makes plenty of sense, and the fact that it was such tough call is a great problem to have. Here’s hoping that Phil hits the ground running in his first start!

    I’m so over the Jeter thing. Everything has been said on the subject umpteen times. Yes, he appears to be in decline. No, he isn’t losing his sport in the lineup. Opining on it further–in either direction, pro or con– won’t change either of those facts. Let’s just root for him as Yankee fans…

  62. vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    “What, precisely, would/should the front office do?”

    Ask Jeter to reacquire the dignity and grace that have, until recently, been his trademark. he should gradually subside into a part time role, then retire.

  63. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Resisting urge to jump into a derek jeter conversation. Jeter should get 3000 and then ask to be dropped down against righties. Barring that Girardi should simply do it himself. Jeter hitting lower in the order vs RHP changes expectations for him. Hitting him first or second out of nostalgia puts undue burden on him and the team. And of course the whole AB thing.

    If you limit the amount of ABs jeter has against RHP while batting him first against LHP, it decreases the amount of PAs he has against RHP which will in turn bring his overall slash lines up. That means he will APPEAR to be better at the plate.

    Its win win.

  64. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
    I want the Yankees to get another good reliever. Mike Adams or Heath Bell would be a crazy good pickup but probably too expensive, so I think they end up just waiting for Soriano. I’d like someone who can DH and play the OF that can hit. Maybe a starter if they can get an upgrade that doesn’t cost Montero or the B’s.

    The Yankees are in a kind of state where they don’t have any glaring weaknesses and almost everyone is producing at just a high enough level where you can’t sell a replacement coming in and taking over.

    ———————

    I think with the set back to Eric Chavez you might see them pick up another bat for the bench – not sure who that guy would be – maybe a Brad Hawpe type.

    Juan Rivera’s available, but I don’t see him as any upgrade over Andruw Jones

    maybe Rick Ankiel when he comes off the DL?

  65. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Jeter, Teixiera, Posada, Swisher and Martin are all well below their career averages. They need to pick it up or some additional offensive help is needed, in my opinion.

    Again, I say Beltran can cover multiple OF and DH positions, and can hit from both sides. The Mets may think, as seemingly every team feels, they are in the race and can’t afford to ditch their fan base.

    The recent winning streak should not prevent the team from trying to improve by the TD. If they do not, they will, in my opinion, regret it because their competition will try to improve and they do have needs.

  66. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    Before dating Brinkley he has to kill Billy Joel and correctly answer the riddle of the sphinx.

    **************************

    :lol:

  67. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Resisting urge to jump into a derek jeter conversation. Jeter should get 3000 and then ask to be dropped down against righties.
    —————————————————–

    I fail to see how the pursuit of No. 3,000 is relevant here. I also don’t see why this decision is on Jeter. Girardi’s job is to manage the club. this includes setting the lineup. Jeter’s job is to salute and follow orders. The only indication that I’ve seen that Girardi or Jeter might not fulfill their respective roles is speculation on blogs.

  68. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Jeter, Teixiera, Posada, Swisher and Martin are all well below their career averages. They need to pick it up or some additional offensive help is needed, in my opinion.

    Again, I say Beltran can cover multiple OF and DH positions, and can hit from both sides. The Mets may think, as seemingly every team feels, they are in the race and can’t afford to ditch their fan base.

    The recent winning streak should not prevent the team from trying to improve by the TD. If they do not, they will, in my opinion, regret it because their competition will try to improve and they do have needs.

    —————–

    Beltran’s going to be very much in demand and thus very expensive and given the battle for PR I think that it would be pretty hard for the Yankees and Mets to find a match.

    Besides, who are you taking out of the lineup to find an everyday spot for Beltran?

  69. pat July 5th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Wang

    Derek may never be replaced by a young fast SS in your heart but on the field should be a different discusion.

    If Jeter was still playing like a 1st ballot HOFer there would be no issue.

    You would really want to see Derek playing SS, leading off and hitting .250 for years to come because at one time he used to play SS, lead off and not hit .250?

  70. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I said failing that Girardi should do it. But the Yankees treat Jeter differently. As some people think they should, so that may not happen.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock July 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    86w183 July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am
    Kate — Give it time

    I agree Nunez needs to play more going forward. Certainly he should get Anruw Jones’ at bats and possibly spell Swisher and Posada against lefties
    ///

    Swisher against lefties? He’s hitting .333/.438/.519. What more do we want? He’s been consistent batting righty, too.

  72. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Resisting urge to jump into a derek jeter conversation. Jeter should get 3000 and then ask to be dropped down against righties.
    —————————————————–

    I fail to see how the pursuit of No. 3,000 is relevant here. I also don’t see why this decision is on Jeter. Girardi’s job is to manage the club. this includes setting the lineup. Jeter’s job is to salute and follow orders. The only indication that I’ve seen that Girardi or Jeter might not fulfill their respective roles is speculation on blogs.

    ————————

    I also think that they’ll figure it out for themselves without the help of bloggers or columnists or “experts.”

    That said, those who think that Girardi can just walk in and move Jeter down in the lineup or to the bench without consequences because it is his job and Derek’s job is to do as he’s told have been playing too many video games and don’t understand how people actually work.

  73. heyman_sux July 5th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    I just dont understand the argument for dropping Jeter in the lineup. Has Gardner really been that much better? Or is this a case of fans complaining for the sake of complaining…since the Yanks ARE in first place, most of the lineup is producing, and the starting pitching has been pleasantly surprising?

  74. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    jimbaumbach Clemens pretrial hearing in 10 minute recess. Judge leaning toward not allowing Pettitte, Knoblauch, Stanton testifying about drug use.

  75. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Jeter, Teixiera, Posada, Swisher and Martin are all well below their career averages. They need to pick it up or some additional offensive help is needed, in my opinion.

    Again, I say Beltran can cover multiple OF and DH positions, and can hit from both sides. The Mets may think, as seemingly every team feels, they are in the race and can’t afford to ditch their fan base.

    The recent winning streak should not prevent the team from trying to improve by the TD. If they do not, they will, in my opinion, regret it because their competition will try to improve and they do have needs.

    —————–

    Beltran’s going to be very much in demand and thus very expensive and given the battle for PR I think that it would be pretty hard for the Yankees and Mets to find a match.

    Besides, who are you taking out of the lineup to find an everyday spot for Beltran?
    ====================

    I suspect that the only pickeups will be bench help and a bullpen arm. Swisher’s recent hot streak will probably forestall the Yanks making any kind of a move for another right field option. Swisher had my vote for a trip to the bench. However, I’m quite certain that I’m in a very small minority at this point. The team looks pretty well set to me.

  76. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:29 am
    Resisting urge to jump into a derek jeter conversation.
    ——————————————————————-

    Fixed.

  77. stuart a July 5th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    jeters obps is pathetic bat him 9th and end the discussion.

    the yanks owe him zippo. batting him 9th is best for the team why is that a blasphemous statement……………..

    the guy has zero extra base power………….

  78. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Resisting urge to jump into a derek jeter conversation

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    What willpower!!! What steely determination!!! You resisted all the way through 9 whole words. That’s a new record for you.

  79. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    jimbaumbach Rusty Hardin also says Debbie Clemens, Roger’s wife, will be called to testify. She won’t be allowed in courtroom for certain testimony.

    jimbaumbach Judge also says he is leaning toward not allowing jury to hear details of 2001 sexual assault investigation involving McNamee.

    jimbaumbach Judge also doesn’t think Laura Pettitte should testify, agreeing with defense issue is if Andy Pettitte misunderstood, not ‘misremembers’

    jimbaumbach As for Pettitte,Stanton,Knoblauch testimony, judge thinks that could lead jury to make guilty-by-association determination on Clemens.

  80. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Chip July 5th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    SNIP…

    That said, those who think that Girardi can just walk in and move Jeter down in the lineup or to the bench without consequences because it is his job and Derek’s job is to do as he’s told have been playing too many video games and don’t understand how people actually work.
    —————————–

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. I think that it’s fairly clear that Girardi won’t make a move unless it becomes absolutely necessary, because it will be a very difficult thing for everyone involved. Nevertheless, I harbor no illusions that Girardi won’t make the move if he thinks that it is absolutely necessary to help the Yankees win–he will do it in a second if he thinks that moving Jeter down in the order is the difference between winning and not winnning a WS.

  81. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Chip,

    I agree Beltran will be in demand, but he does have a full no-trade which allow him to have a big say where he goes. That likely limits it to a team in strong contention and not marginally contending.

    He could play for Gardner or Posada against a lefty or a righty. He could also play for Swisher. I recognize those are current Yankees, but Beltran is a clear upgrade over all of them. I don’t say it is likely, but I do say that is a good way to improve offensive production. They aren’t replacing any other regulars.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock July 5th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    For chrissake, Gardner is batting .147 in his last 10 games. They gave him the leadoff spot at the beginning of the season & he couldn’t stick.

    When they did so, it seems the whole “Jeter’s above the team” unrelenting paranoia didn’t apply. It didn’t apply then & it doesn’t now.

    They don’t have a suitable replacement.

    Gardner’s hitting .215/.298/.323 as a leadoff hitter. That’s not exactly compelling.

  83. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    GB7

    I see you survived the fireworks.

    I hope you sent them home with a good sugar high.

  84. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Hey GB
    How were the fireworks? And did you manage to get the twins sufficiently sticky?

  85. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    jinx MY you owe me a coke

  86. heyman_sux July 5th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Amen, Prufrock

  87. comet July 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Morning, GB, Kate and Erin!

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock July 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Hey Chad, you’re starting to sound like a broken record.

    & you just answered your own query.

    They don’t have anyone to replace the guy that’s going to be much better.

    He’s been back exactly one game after a long layoff.

    Have a nice day, all.

  89. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Gardner hit .290 .412 .376 .789 leadoff last year. He has a number of small samples at leadoff. Jeter has been poor against RHP for 1.5 seasons. Put guys at the top of the lineup that succeed against RHP. Jeter can still leadoff vs LHP. It has the added benefit of bringing up Jeter’s slash line because he won’t get as many ABs in his worst split.

  90. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    MTU and Kate….It was great. laughing and giggling and pointing at the show…

    and the kids enjoyed it too.

    Yeah, they had a great time, sticky, chocolatey, and sticking to the seats. Can’t imagine why their mommy said that I could never take them anywhere again without adult supervision. She relented when I pointed out that I didn’t give them any baked beans or chili. She thanked me for showing good sense…for once.

  91. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    kate

    I prefer Pepsi.

  92. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 5th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    They don’t have a suitable replacement.

    Gardner’s hitting .215/.298/.323 as a leadoff hitter. That’s not exactly compelling.

    ===============================
    In a way, this really gets to the crux of the matter. At the very least it highlights an important consideration, if not the only or most important one. Gardner hasn’t made the decision very difficult for Girardi. Choosing Gardner over Jeter would be a much tougher choice if he made a compelling case for himself on the field.

  93. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Morning Comet! :)

  94. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Good morning, Comet. Hope all is well in the northern USA for you and family.

  95. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Choosing Gardner over Jeter would be a much tougher choice if he made a compelling case for himself on the field.

    He hit .350 for 2 months. That should have been a compelling enough case, but some people are falling into the trap of thinking that Gardner suddenly forgets how to hit when he is batting first. He has shown aptitude at leadoff in other seasons.

  96. blake July 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Beltran can choose where he wants to go. If Cashman called them up and said Ill take both he and Krod off your hands…..pay all their salary and give you a B level pitching prospect then I think that would be hard to say no to no matted if its the Yankees or not. The Mets have to trade K Rod even if they give him away just to prevent his option from triggering.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock July 5th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    heyman_sux July 5th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Amen, Prufrock
    ///

    You know I don’t give a good goddamn who bats leaoff. But this idea that they’re oppressing Gardner from Rickey Henderson greatness with the ghost of Derek Jeter is getting silly stupid. If he had taken off there he’d be leading off. Look at the inconvenient numbers.

    LEt him rake as a leadoff hitter & there won’t be any issue. He hasn’t been able to do that. Or find someone worthy.

    Bye

  98. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Jeter has a .580 OPS vs RHP. Which means Gardner’s leadoff slash line is still better than Jeter’s RHP split.

  99. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    jimbaumbach As for Pettitte,Stanton,Knoblauch testimony, judge thinks that could lead jury to make guilty-by-association determination on Clemens.

    ———————

    This trial should be interesting. Kinda disappointed we might not get to see Knoblauch return to court with his kid in his arms again.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Give me a break with the Gardner crap. He is hitting .147 in his last ten games and if there is anything consistent to make book on, is that any stretch of decent hitting on his part will be followed up by a really poor one. That’s shouldn’t surprise anyone; that’s what one should expect from a career 260′s hitter.

  101. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Choosing Gardner over Jeter would be a much tougher choice if he made a compelling case for himself on the field.

    He hit .350 for 2 months. That should have been a compelling enough case, but some people are falling into the trap of thinking that Gardner suddenly forgets how to hit when he is batting first. He has shown aptitude at leadoff in other seasons.
    ==========================

    So, we’re supposed to dismiss Gardner’ performance at leadoff this year, because it’s drawn from a small sample, and rely on small samples from other seasons because…?

    I like Gardner better than Jeter at leadoff. However, Gardner has simply failed to capitalize+ on his opportunities to seize the job for himself.

  102. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    “But this idea that they’re oppressing Gardner from Rickey Henderson greatness with the ghost of Derek Jeter is getting silly stupid.”

    I thought it was Nunez’s greatness that’s getting repressed by the ghost of Derek Jeter…? Or maybe its Montero and we’re both wrong.

  103. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Give me a break with the Gardner crap. He is hitting .147 in his last ten games and if there is anything consistent to make book on, is that any stretch of decent hitting on his part will be followed up by a really poor one. That’s shouldn’t surprise anyone; that’s what one should expect from a career 260?s hitter.

    Sorry that Gardner has had 10 bad games after hitting .350 for 2 months. He had .270 and .277 in his 2 full seasons. ‘Career .260s hitter!!!’

  104. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    So, we’re supposed to dismiss Gardner’ performance at leadoff this year, because it’s drawn from a small sample, and rely on small samples from other seasons because…?

    The point is that you can’t just point at 50 PA this year and say ‘See! He can’t bat leadoff!’ when he has done well there in the very recent past. He didn’t get moved to leadoff after raking for 2 months straight. Maybe his leadoff splits look good when he is actually put in the position while hot instead of requiring an injury to Jeter. It sucks that Gardner basically started off terrible this year, but he was coming off wrist surgery. Its no surprise it took him time to adjust.

  105. comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Gb Hope all is well with you! I’m just across the river in the Great White North. Buy as much gas as possible across the river though.

    Thanks Erin. How do yo make the smiley faces?

  106. MaineYankee July 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    What this place turns into each day is an embarrasment as a Yankee fan.

    I’m out.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Sorry stat boy. It’s one of many poor ten game stretches. This isn’t the first time. Gardner’s lifetime batting average is .268; he’s hitting .267 this season. He is way too streaky and has not proven himself to to be a consistent hitter.

  108. G. Love July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    The worst thing that could happen to this team right now is that the return of Jeter coincides with a losing spell/streak that takes this team out of 1st by the all star break. The fall in the standings will be blamed on him both directly and indirectly since the team appeared to be so loose and playing so well in his absence. It will get very ugly. Not just in here, but in the media who will smell blood and put their feet on the front office to punish Jeter for coming back from the DL and the team hitting the skids.

    They need to go out and win this series and hold onto first place.

    While I don’t agree with how they handled the situation with the rotation, I do think that Jeter needed to be back at SS since at the very least his fielding wouldn’t have cost us Sunday’s game.

    Jeter won’t go to Girardi and say “bat me 9th, skip”. That would be akin to admitting he thinks it’s over.

    The front office has to put on their big boy pants with him if they think he’s hurting the team leading off.

    I wonder if they go into an offensive tailspin/losing streak does the front office take it out on Jeter and demote him in the order.

    I’d rather see the Yankees win a lot of games this week than see that whole drama play out. The team was rolling and playing loose. We don’t need to see Swisher/Texeira/etc back to pressing again every time they step up to plate.

  109. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I think it is a fair point that neither Gardner nor anyone else has demonstrated clear lead-off OBP ability. Gardner is up and down.

    Ultimately, lead-off probably only matters in the first inning. After that the odds are equal Gardner or Jeter will lead-off thereafter. I spend less time worrying about the order than about the production of each hitter.

    I think looking at the possible TD moves is far more interesting and important than whether Jeter hits first or last.

  110. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Comet-it’s a colon and then right parentheses (no space in between)

  111. blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Where people hit doesn’t matter that much. Jeter will hit leadoff until he gets 3,000…..then pretty soon afterwards if he doesn’t pick it up vs RHP he will be moved down there and continue to leadoff vs lefties and everyone can relax and stop worrying about it night and day.

  112. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    jimbaumbach Hearing over. Clemens is enjoying a nice stroll on DC streets, along with several cameras and reporters following. Wonder where we’re going?

  113. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Ultimately, lead-off probably only matters in the first inning. After that the odds are equal Gardner or Jeter will lead-off thereafter. I spend less time worrying about the order than about the production of each hitter.

    It matters in that the leadoff batter gets the most PA on the team, and giving the most PA to the guy that is the worst against RHP on the team is … not good. The Yankees can overcome it, but they could gain a slight edge by fixing that.

  114. G. Love July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Here’s my thoughts on lead off.

    Swisher is our best lead off guy against LHP hands down. He’s killing LHP and his on base skills make him a super hero in the lead off spot.

    Against RHP? We don’t have a clear cut candidate to lead off. That said, I think Gardner (at his best) is the one with the most tools to drive this offense against RHP. Still, we’ve seen his batting average drop from almost .300 to .260 in a blink of an eye.

    I still would lead Gardner off. When you catch his hot streak, it’s more productive than Jeter’s hot streak at this point in their respective careers and Gardner’s on base skills and speed trump Jeter at this point.

  115. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    G. Love July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    The worst thing that could happen to this team right now is that the return of Jeter coincides with a losing spell/streak that takes this team out of 1st by the all star break. The fall in the standings will be blamed on him both directly and indirectly since the team appeared to be so loose and playing so well in his absence.
    ================

    Spot on.

  116. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Hi Comet!

  117. blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Ironically the Yankees would maybe only have a 1 game losing streak right now if Jeter had played Sunday because he makes that play in the 10th against the Mets with his eyes closed.

  118. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Ultimately, lead-off probably only matters in the first inning. After that the odds are equal Gardner or Jeter will lead-off thereafter. I spend less time worrying about the order than about the production of each hitter.

    It matters in that the leadoff batter gets the most PA on the team, and giving the most PA to the guy that is the worst against RHP on the team is … not good. The Yankees can overcome it, but they could gain a slight edge by fixing that.
    ————————————-

    This is probably correct. If the Yanks miss the playoffs by a game, then you may have a legitimate gripe. Otherwise, this is all academic.

  119. comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Howdy Kate:)

  120. comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Erin what is a parentisis?

  121. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    So, we’re supposed to dismiss Gardner’ performance at leadoff this year, because it’s drawn from a small sample, and rely on small samples from other seasons because…?

    The point is that you can’t just point at 50 PA this year and say ‘See! He can’t bat leadoff!’ when he has done well there in the very recent past. He didn’t get moved to leadoff after raking for 2 months straight. Maybe his leadoff splits look good when he is actually put in the position while hot instead of requiring an injury to Jeter. It sucks that Gardner basically started off terrible this year, but he was coming off wrist surgery. Its no surprise it took him time to adjust.
    ——————————

    Fair points.

  122. G. Love July 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    blake,

    I said that in one of my posts. We win Sunday with Jeter at SS hands down.

    What would be problematic is if the offensive heroes of the past 3 weeks pick Jeter’s return to go back into their “pressing mode” where the team looks like they need Beltran and more to make the post season again.

  123. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    blake July 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Beltran can choose where he wants to go. If Cashman called them up and said Ill take both he and Krod off your hands…..pay all their salary and give you a B level pitching prospect then I think that would be hard to say no to no matted if its the Yankees or not. The Mets have to trade K Rod even if they give him away just to prevent his option from triggering.

    —————–

    I just don’t see it happening.

    I think Cashman is comfortable with Robertson setting up Mo and feels like he’s going to get a pitcher just as strong as K-Rod back with Soriano. If K-Rod was left handed, then it could be a discussion.

    I also think that with Swisher and Posada playing better that Cash is satsified with his starting lineup. A bench player is always a nice addition if you can find one at the right cost, but I think the cost, either in terms of dollars or prospects would be too high here.

    My guess is that if Beltran goes anywhere it would be to San Francisco.

    Maybe something smaller like:

    A couple of prospects to Washington for Tom Gorzelanny (move to the pen) and either Morse if they want a RH bat or Nix if they want a LH bat

  124. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    This is probably correct. If the Yanks miss the playoffs by a game, then you may have a legitimate gripe. Otherwise, this is all academic.

    Tossing any incremental changes aside because ‘its only 1 game’ can add up to more than 1 game :) Thats why the Yankees should make changes anywhere they can where they are able to.

  125. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Ugh. really hope that we don’t get K-Rod. I just can’t see rooting for that guy.

  126. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Ultimately, lead-off probably only matters in the first inning. After that the odds are equal Gardner or Jeter will lead-off thereafter. I spend less time worrying about the order than about the production of each hitter.

    It matters in that the leadoff batter gets the most PA on the team, and giving the most PA to the guy that is the worst against RHP on the team is … not good. The Yankees can overcome it, but they could gain a slight edge by fixing that.
    ———-

    In fairness Brett Gardner led off at least 2 innings in yesterday’s game. And I would rather have Jeter’s instincts on the bases than Gardner’s raw speed at this point.

  127. Benny Blanco July 5th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Great point Glove…Thats the last thing we need is a losing streak.

  128. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    In fairness Brett Gardner led off at least 2 innings in yesterday’s game. And I would rather have Jeter’s instincts on the bases than Gardner’s raw speed at this point.

    its not about leading off an inning, Chip. Its about getting more PAs. Brett Gardner does more with his PAs than Jeter does. Its why his OPS is higher. Jeter’s instincts on the bases don’t matter against RHP when he isn’t on base. Vs LHP Jeter brings more tangibles.

  129. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    GLove
    Just curious, if you put Swish/GGBG as lead-off, then where do you put Jeter? Being realistic, he is not going to be dropped to the bottom of the batting order. Granderson has done very well batting 2nd, and then comes the rest of your heavy hitters.

  130. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am
    Erin what is a parentisis?

    *********************

    comet-you almost did it in your post to kate-but there was no space between the end of her name and the colon

    (use the parentheses right above the 0 )

  131. blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    G. Love,

    True but if they do that then I think its more on them than Jeter.

    Chip,

    Im sure San Fran could use Beltran…..but he may not want to go there. I have no idea. The K Rod thing depends on Soriano…..and whether or not they feel he will contribute this year or not. They are good with Robertson setting up but if Soriano isn’t coming back then they coukd use another arm and Id rather give less prospects for K Rod than probably good ones for Bell or Adams. If Soriano comes back and is right then their bullpen needs are a lot less urgent.

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The odds of Jeter costing the Yankees a championship this year based on where he hits in the lineup is infinitesimally small. It’s a straw man and irrelevant.

    Pitching is what is going to determine if we win it all this year; the performance of the rotation and the pen. That should be obvious to any knowledgeable baseball fan.

    And for the record. I don’t care wha Jeter hits the rest of the year, if I am down to my final out in game seven, I want him at the plate above anyone else.

  133. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:04 am
    Gb Hope all is well with you! I’m just across the river in the Great White North. Buy as much gas as possible across the river though.

    Thanks Erin. How do yo make the smiley faces?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The easiest way to make a smiley face is to read some of these posts during the game and after a loss. They don’t have “guffaw” faces or “side-splitting” faces so smileys will have to do.

    A health warning from the American Medical Association: “Do not read while having sodas or any beverage in your mouth while reading. Spraying liquids on computer is dangerous to your health. Fire or electrical shock may occur.”

  134. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    upstate – I think Jeter will end up batting 7th long term. Maybe not this season but he’s not a bad guy to have up following some power hitters who usually are in the 5th and 6th spots. You’d like to see Cano continue to get protection in the 5th spot from someone like that, so I think Jeter fits at 7th or 8th. Then again, I also still think Granderson would be seeing better pitches behind Cano even though he’s done great in the 2 hole… eh, whatevs.

  135. comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Erin :)

  136. Mell July 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Being realistic, he is not going to be dropped to the bottom of the batting order

    ================================

    Being realistic, the bottom of the order is exactly where he should go. Maybe bat him 8th ahead of the even more offensively inept Russell Martin, but he really should be in the lower third of the order one way or another.

  137. comet July 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Thanks

  138. LockDown July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    It’s an interesting yet tumultuous time for Yankees fans. There seems to be a growing gap regarding opinions on a player’s decline and/or when or even “if” we should pave the way for the future.

    Both sides want what’s best for the team and are just seeing it from 2 different perspectives, but because it involves Jeter (at to some extent Posada) tempers grow.

    Nunez & even Montero add to the equation.

    Montero needs to play everyday. He can be BUC/DH, but with Posada at DH, it won’t work. For those who say let Montero play against LHP in DH instead of Posada… well, eventually there will be angry fans wondering why Posada is not playing everyday and how will he improve against LHP if Girardi never lets him hit against them.

    Same with Nunez in that he can’t take away from Posada’s DH. Also, Nunez needs to play a lot, but with Jeter at SS for the next 3,5 years, Nunez won’t get much practice at SS. Girardi’s going to have to figure this out, but it could require giving players more days off then they want in order to squeeze him in.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    Do they send Nunez back down to AAA so he can play everyday, so that 3 years from now he’ll be somewhat ready?

    Do they keep Nunez on the bench and play him in various positions (1X or on occasion 2X a week)?

    Do they trade him?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s quite a few teams that would love to have him at SS & have the patience to deal with his current defensive woes because he offers so much.

    I LOVE what Nunez brings, but if we can get a young stud like Kershaw, I would trade Nunez in a heartbeat. Especially seeing as how Nunez is not even an everyday player, he’s a bench guy for he next 3.5 years

  139. vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    It is not about Gardner, it is simply that Jeter is NOT a major league caliber player anymore. Look at the stats, he ranks at the bottom.

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    It is not about Gardner, it is simply that Jeter is NOT a major league caliber player anymore. Look at the stats, he ranks at the bottom.

    *************

    Stats are only a part of the story. Jeter brings things to the table that no other player in baseball can.

  141. Mell July 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Stats are only a part of the story. Jeter brings things to the table that no other player in baseball can.
    ================================

    Perhaps, but none of those things entitle him to the lead off spot in the lineup.

  142. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    It is not about Gardner, it is simply that Jeter is NOT a major league caliber player anymore. Look at the stats, he ranks at the bottom.
    ————————————-

    In which statistic does Jeter rank at the bottom?

  143. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Chip,

    Im sure San Fran could use Beltran…..but he may not want to go there. I have no idea. The K Rod thing depends on Soriano…..and whether or not they feel he will contribute this year or not. They are good with Robertson setting up but if Soriano isn’t coming back then they coukd use another arm and Id rather give less prospects for K Rod than probably good ones for Bell or Adams. If Soriano comes back and is right then their bullpen needs are a lot less urgent.

    ———————

    Blake -

    You’re right – he may not want to head out there.

    The other thing to think about is whether or not K-Rod would thrive or self destruct in a non-closer role.

    And that would be an obnoxious amount of money tied up in three relievers.

    Honestly, if the Yankees want to add another relief pitcher I would rather it was someone who is not currently serving as a closer – Tyler Clippard wouldn’t be awful. But I would focus more on LHRP

  144. vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Stats are only a part of the story. Jeter brings things to the table that no other player in baseball can
    #######
    he can do that from the bench, as a role player.

  145. vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    From J. Sherman column, NY Post.

    “in fact, is about steady failure: 155th out of 157 qualifiers in line-drive percentage, 152nd in extra-base hit percentage, 135th in OPS.”

  146. LockDown July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    What I like about having speed like Gardner batting leadoff is their ability to get themselves in scoring position. Gardner does get his fair share of walks.

    Looking at the beginning of the game last night:

    Jeter gets on due to error. He stays on 1B. Grandy walks, now men on 1s & 2nd… nobody steals…. Teix hits a long fly ball. They remain on 1st & 2nd.

    If you look over the course of the last couple of weeks, the yankees were much more agressive on the bases. Gardner’s base running has greatly improved and he was getting great jumps. The team was also double stealing.

    Gardner had manufactured runs through base running & I could easily see him at 3B when Teix hits the fly ball, which would have ended up as a sac fly.

    That’s the difference when you have someone like gardner ahead of Grandy & Teix. Gardner gets in scoring position & the combo of Granderson & Teix get him home.

  147. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    This sentence: “That should be obvious to any knowledgeable baseball fan.”

    followed by: “if I am down to my final out in game seven, I want him at the plate above anyone else.”

    is quite hysterical.

  148. Obed81 July 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Excellent post Chad.

  149. pat July 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    IPK on the fan vote ballot for final All star game slot.

    Not the most deserving but he gets my vote for old times sake (plus it also would keep Ethier off the field against the AL). :wink:

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    he can do that from the bench, as a role player.

    ************

    Then you do not fully understand the importance of on-field and clubhouse leadership and the Yankee culture.

  151. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Yay comet!! :)

  152. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    With right handed reliever Fernando Hernandez being released by the Yankees, look for more promotions to the Trenton and scranton rosters.

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    This sentence: “That should be obvious to any knowledgeable baseball fan.”

    followed by: “if I am down to my final out in game seven, I want him at the plate above anyone else.”

    is quite hysterical.

    **************

    I would bet you most any and all Yankee players would say the same thing.

  154. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    (plus it also would keep Ethier off the field against the AL).

    —-

    You want Ethier on the field!

    He’s terrible defensively :)

  155. pat July 5th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “Jeter brings things to the table that no other player in baseball can.”

    Hyperbole from the heart. What are those things?

  156. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I would bet you most any and all Yankee players would say the same thing.

    What they say and what they really think are another matter. I think most would say Jeter because its the polite thing to say. They might be thinking something completely different. Honestly I want players that would want themselves up in that situation.

  157. blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Chip,

    I hate giving up prospects for relievers so if they make a move for someone then a salary dump like K rod makes more sense to me than giving up players for some of these other guys…..that way if he bombs then you only lose money.

  158. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Blake-

    Any idea of when Soriano is due back ?

  159. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I would bet you most any and all Yankee players would say the same thing.

    ———-

    You don’t actually believe what you write but it’s entertaining nonetheless.

  160. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Man, thats an interesting question though….

    On this team, this season, if we were down to our last out in a game 7… I think I’d want Curtis up to bat. I don’t really know that anyone else would have me overly confident. Too many streaky players this season.

  161. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    I don’t see how the team can remotely rely on Chavez or Soriano at this point. Chavez is out as he always is. Soriano again has elbow problems, and he didn’t pitch well before he had them. I say it is as likely he will not pitch another inning this year as he will.

    A healthy Mo(say a prayer) and Robertson are certainly good as 8th and 9th inning guys, but what about days they aren’t available or days they need someone in the 6th and 7th? Ayala has never been very successful, and the rest are unproven. They need another reliable bullpen arm, preferably left handed but right handed if no good lefty is available.

    Nunez can handle backup IF with Swisher or Posada back up 1b. I still want another good bat that can play OF.

  162. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 11:49 am
    -=================

    Tex has been pretty consistent this year with men on base, and so he’d probably get my vote. Nevertheless, Granderson has been showing signs of developing into that kind of player. However, clutch-hitting is the big weakness on this Yankee club, which is why they’ve been prone to getting shut down this year.

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    pat July 5th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “Jeter brings things to the table that no other player in baseball can.”

    Hyperbole from the heart. What are those things?

    ***********

    Any manager of any business knows that is not hyperbole. Experience, leadership, the ability to teach with credibility, integrity, how to handle pressure and a myriad of small intangibles that send messages that resonate when observed by other players.

  164. pat July 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    PeteAbe New blog post: A trade proposal: Lackey for Zito

    No need for the link. The headline says it all.

  165. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    On this team, this season, if we were down to our last out in a game 7… I think I’d want Curtis up to bat. I don’t really know that anyone else would have me overly confident. Too many streaky players this season.

    ——————-

    Curtis, Cano, Alex, and Tex are the only guys who really merit consideration. Grandy is the obvious choice because he is destroying the ball this year.

    I’d prob say 1. Grandy 2. Cano 3. Alex 4. Tex

  166. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    On this team, this season, if we were down to our last out in a game 7… I think I’d want Curtis up to bat. I don’t really know that anyone else would have me overly confident. Too many streaky players this season.

    A-rod Cano Granderson Tex Gardner Swisher Posada Jeter Martin

  167. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Honestly I want players that would want themselves up in that situation.

    ————————————————-

    That’s probably most players.

    I wouldn’t want Andruw Jones up there. This I feel confident in.

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I would bet you most any and all Yankee players would say the same thing.

    ———-

    You don’t actually believe what you write but it’s entertaining nonetheless.

    ***********

    I absolutely 100 percent believe that. I would rather have Derek Jeter at bat in the ultimate pressure situation than anyone else on this team.

  169. heyman_sux July 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    How about trying to pry Kerry Wood as a rental for the remainder of the season? I’m not expecting him to be the ’10 lights-out version, but it probably wouldn’t cost much

  170. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    New Scranton left handed starter. Shaeffer Hall turned in an outstanding first AAA start last night. 6.1 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs, 0 walks, 3 strikeouts. 81 pitches, 54 strikes.

  171. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I wouldn’t want Andruw Jones up there. This I feel confident in.

    —————–

    What about in the on deck circle flashing a blinding smile to distract the pitcher?

  172. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Any manager of any business knows that is not hyperbole. Experience, leadership, the ability to teach with credibility, integrity, how to handle pressure and a myriad of small intangibles that send messages that resonate when observed by other players.

    Experience hasn’t helped Jeter get on base at a high level vs his toughest competition, or hit with RISP, and he can teach integrity and hard work while being a part time player. Most managers of a business know you need results.

  173. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    With regard to trading minor league starters, the Yankees have an abundance of upper level starters, many of whom will never start for the Yankees. I believe Warren, Mitchell and Phelps probably fall in that category. In my view, they can and should be dealt if they can bring a beneficial player, even a reliever. Otherwise, they are Rule 5 fodder.

  174. sammiejohnson July 5th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    That should be obvious to any knowledgeable baseball fan.

    ————————————-

    Thank goodness the rest of us have you here to tell us what a real “knowledgeable baseball fan” should know.

  175. pat July 5th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    “Experience, leadership, the ability to teach with credibility, integrity, how to handle pressure and a myriad of small intangibles that send messages that resonate when observed by other players.”

    There are a handful of guys in that clubhouse that bring the above stated traits to the table so saying no other player has them except Derek Jeter is hyperbole from the heart.

  176. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Austin-

    Soriano is definitely a big question mark.

    Even if he does return can he stay healthy ?

    K-Rod is expensive. Maybe we offer a lesser prospect and the Mets eat some of the money.

    Adams and Bell are gonna cost.

    Maybe we just get a guy like Choate to deal with lefties only.

    Unfortunately, I think you might be right about Chavez. The 2nd coming of Nick Johnson.

    What a pity. When the healthy the guy is a difference maker.

  177. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    I absolutely 100 percent believe that. I would rather have Derek Jeter at bat in the ultimate pressure situation than anyone else on this team.

    —————-

    You should really develop a better feel for the game.

  178. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Buchholz is going to see a back specialist. Seems like the one pitcher most compared to Hughes isn’t very dependable for the time being, either. Contrary to popular belief.

  179. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    vrsce July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    From J. Sherman column, NY Post.

    “in fact, is about steady failure: 155th out of 157 qualifiers in line-drive percentage, 152nd in extra-base hit percentage, 135th in OPS.”
    ==================

    Aside from the Sherman article, I couldn’t confirm any of those claims. Suffice it to say that Jeter is having a crappy year. He is OPS+ is 90, which makes him a below average hitter this year. It is a big stretch to go from those two observations to making the claim that he is no longer a legitimate big league player.

  180. blake July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    MTU,

    I have no.idea…..but is getting to the point where I am less confident he’s going to be able to be counted on for this year……without him they do need bulllpen help. Stinks that Joba got hurt.

  181. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    cgrand14 happy 60th birthday Goose Gossage!

  182. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    GB-

    Are you suggesting Hall for the pen ?

  183. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    RiverAveBlues RT @MLB_PR: News: @MLBProductions, @HBO & Derek Jeter teaming up for one hour all-access show on quest for 3K hits.

  184. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    That?s probably most players.

    I wouldn?t want Andruw Jones up there. This I feel confident in.

    **********************

    :lol:

  185. pat July 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    MLB_PR News: @MLBProductions, @HBO & Derek Jeter teaming up for one hour all-access show on quest for 3K hits. @YankeesPR

  186. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Any manager of any business knows that is not hyperbole. Experience, leadership, the ability to teach with credibility, integrity, how to handle pressure and a myriad of small intangibles that send messages that resonate when observed by other players.

    Experience hasn’t helped Jeter get on base at a high level vs his toughest competition, or hit with RISP, and he can teach integrity and hard work while being a part time player. Most managers of a business know you need results.

    *************

    And any good manager of a business understands that results come from leadership; which is often not quantifiable to those who unfortunately see the world only through the prism of statistical analysis.

  187. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I’d probably pick Granderson… but I agree with most of you that Alex, Tex, and Cano would be in the conversation. I think I tend to want Alex up in those spots because I’ve seen him do some incredible things in big moments but I’m always too nervous to actively root for him to end up in those positions because I know if he fails I’ll be reading about it for months.

  188. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Not in the least, MTU. He’s a Pettitte type starter and for the time being, the best lefty starter in the system. Not saying that he’s going to be Pettitte…just that is the type of pitcher he is.

  189. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    What about this question. Jeter said yesterday that he mostly just watched the highlights of the games during his time on the DL.

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?

  190. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    New Post: See a piece of history (maybe) (sort of)

    :arrow:

  191. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    What about in the on deck circle flashing a blinding smile to distract the pitcher?

    —————————————————

    What if the batter before him draws a walk?

    If he could flash that smile from the stands I’d feel better.

  192. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    MTU,

    I wonder if FRod still has the stuff to succeed. I have my doubts. He looks like a relieving version of Freddy Garcia. I am not sure that is worth millions of bucks.

    The Yankees have prospects to give. What I don’t know is how well they are perceived by other teams. I know we all think they are all sure fire MLB starters with all star games in theri future. Personally, I don’t see any of the AAA starters as high end players, but players with value to fill in the starting staffs of many teams.

  193. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    What about this question. Jeter said yesterday that he mostly just watched the highlights of the games during his time on the DL.

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?
    —————————————-

    I don’t know which ones would watch every game while on the DL, and I’m not sure what it would say about them if they did (or didn’t) watch every game. )I imagine that it probably would depress the hell out of Jeter to watch the games on TV, but this is pure speculation on my part.) What do you think it says?

  194. alvarofer July 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Of course he has nothing to prove, his contract is guaranteed.

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