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See a piece of history (maybe) (sort of)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

To be honest, I don’t really get this whole Fan Cave thing that Major League Baseball has going on — this in particular is certainly an odd promotion — but this also provides a pretty good explanation of the steps MLB has taken to assure that they properly mark and identify milestone baseballs. Here’s the announcement from MLB.

With Derek Jeter returning to the Yankee lineup and resuming his quest for 3,000 career hits, the MLB Fan Cave on Tuesday will be host to a dozen unique pieces of living history, one of which could wind up being the actual ball Jeter hits for number 3,000.

Twelve of the baseballs among those to be put into play once Jeter is at 2,999 career hits will be on display at the MLB Fan Cave on Tuesday afternoon for fans and members of the media.

Major League Baseball, through its Authentication Program, will deploy specially marked game-balls in order to accurately track the actual ball hit. These balls are regular game Rawlings balls selected at random that have a visible mark and a covert mark added to them. In conjunction with the home plate umpire these balls are sequenced into the game when the player attempting the milestone is at-bat. Once the milestone takes place the Authenticator will verify both the overt and covert marks and only then, if 100% assured of the balls’ authenticity, will they place a numbered tamper-proof hologram on the item.

WHAT: Twelve pre-marked MLB baseballs – one of which could be Derek Jeter’s 3,000th career hit

WHEN: Tuesday, July 5th, 3:00 – 6:00 pm – Fans allowed inside MLB Fan Cave to see balls and take photos

WHERE: MLB Fan Cave, 692 Broadway (corner of 4th and Broadway)

The MLB Fan Cave is a 15,000 square-foot location at 4th Street & Broadway (the site of the old Tower Records) in the heart of New York City’s Greenwich Village. Major League Baseball has transformed this venue into an exciting new hub mixing baseball with music, popular culture, media, interactive technology, and art.

 
 

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181 Responses to “See a piece of history (maybe) (sort of)”

  1. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    JimmyTraina Release says Minka will be interviewed. I’m shocked. RT @Ourand_SBJ HBO & MLB producing 1-hr special on Jeter’s quest for 3,000 hits.

  2. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    The fan cave would be cooler if it was in a real cave.

  3. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    What about this question. Jeter said yesterday that he mostly just watched the highlights of the games during his time on the DL.

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?

  4. pat July 5th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    I’m sure the powers that be at YES are thrilled they aren’t getting exclusive access to chronicling Derek’s milestone.

  5. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    LGY- Alex?

  6. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “. Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?”

    My guess is that none that had the option of hanging with Minka instead….

  7. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    File this one under ” who gives a crap about a baseball that may or not be a milestone ball in the not too distant future”

    And they might want to have more than 12 if you catch my drift.

  8. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I don’t get the fan-cave thing either. Is it a real fan constrained to watching every single game during the season? Really? He must be a total loser.

  9. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Erin,

    Alex seems like the obvious answer.

    What about Swish?

  10. Tom in N.J. July 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Didn’t Alex buy a T.V. and the MLB package for a bar in Colorado so he could watch the Yankees while he rehabbed his hip in ’09?

  11. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?

    ——————-

    Cervelli. And I dare anyone to contradict me.

  12. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    What about this question. Jeter said yesterday that he mostly just watched the highlights of the games during his time on the DL.

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?
    —————————————-

    I don’t know which ones would watch every game while on the DL, and I’m not sure what it would say about them if they did (or didn’t) watch every game. )I imagine that it probably would depress the hell out of Jeter to watch the games on TV, but this is pure speculation on my part.) What do you think it says?

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    “To be honest, I don’t really get this whole Fan Cave thing that Major League Baseball has going on.”

    ********

    I see it as a very insightful marketing strategy by Major League Baseball to target a younger, more contemporary demographic. The description above describes the mission well, “mixing baseball with music, popular culture, media, interactive technology, and art.” Baseball has been falling in popularity among younger people; basketball and soccer lead the way.

  14. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    My guess is that none that had the option of hanging with Minka instead….

    —————–

    If Minka was cool she would watch the games with him…in a Pinstriped bikini

  15. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Which Yankee players would watch every game (or nearly every game) while on the DL?

    ——————-

    Cervelli. And I dare anyone to contradict me.
    ===============

    Cervy does seem pretty gung ho and intense.

  16. austinmac July 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I imagine Jeter has seen plenty of Yankee games and feels no need to watch another in which he is not involved. He is a player and not a fan. I don’t care if he watches. Silly discussion.

  17. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Austin-

    Yes. No idea of knowing how other teams rank our players until a deal is actually struck.

    You’re right about the possibility of losing some of them to the Rule 5 if we don’t move some of them soon.

    Maybe K-Rod is just not worth it. If the Mets would eat a portion for a lesser prospect maybe he is ?

    I hope the Yankees can get a better idea on Soriano BEFORE the TD.

  18. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I imagine Jeter has seen plenty of Yankee games and feels no need to watch another in which he is not involved. He is a player and not a fan. I don’t care if he watches. Silly discussion.

    —————–

    I’m not trying to stir controversy. It was just a fun question.

    But to me this seems backwards. A player on the team should be a lot more invested than a fan.

  19. pat July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I get the fan cave thing more than I get the Minka thing. :wink:

  20. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Tom in N.J. July 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Didn?t Alex buy a T.V. and the MLB package for a bar in Colorado so he could watch the Yankees while he rehabbed his hip in ?09?

    ******************************

    Tom-I remember something about that.

  21. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Tom-I remember something about that.

    —————-

    Me too, but I can’t find a link.

    Alex is awesome.

  22. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    LGY,

    You win :)

  23. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    ….

    But to me this seems backwards. A player on the team should be a lot more invested than a fan.
    —————————————

    Which is why that their time might be better spent in the gym and doing reehab than watching games on TV. I don’t stop in at my job on my days off either…

  24. Hassey July 5th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I think the NYC Man Cave should have life size wax figures of all of Jeter’s girlfriends and hook-ups over the years

    Some of the guys in this chatroom that are in Manlove with Jete may get real jealous though

  25. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    pat July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I get the fan cave thing more than I get the Minka thing. :wink:
    ———-

    You must be joking :)

  26. sammiejohnson July 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    My guess is that none that had the option of hanging with Minka instead….

    —————–

    If Minka was cool she would watch the games with him…in a Pinstriped bikini

    ————–

    Or half of a Pinstriped bikini….

  27. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I think Alex will have to do something with baseball after he’s finished playing whether its ownership or whatever…..its just too much a part of him for him not to.

  28. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I work right next to the Fan Cave and mostly its empty with suit and tie types inside pointing at things and then pointing to other places but I did spot D.Rob outside there a couple weeks back so that was pretty cool.

    I’m still not sure I understand what this “event” really is, though. They have baseballs? That will be used in Yankee games? And there is nothing special about them other than they *might* end up being thrown at and hit by Jeter? Is that it? Fail.

  29. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    I imagine Jeter has seen plenty of Yankee games and feels no need to watch another in which he is not involved. He is a player and not a fan. I don’t care if he watches. Silly discussion.

    —————–

    I’m not trying to stir controversy. It was just a fun question.

    But to me this seems backwards. A player on the team should be a lot more invested than a fan.

    —————

    Yet we know that’s not true. After a tough, season ending loss fans will post and call into radio shows for days, if not weeks and months complaining about what the manager should have done differently or how can player X have not taken the bat off his shoulder and so on – players on the other hand may be bummed about the loss but they’ll go out to dinner, have a few laughs and move on by the time the lockers are cleaned up for the winter.

  30. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Jeter not watching games on TV should not be a real surprise. If you watch him in the dugout on days that he’s not playing, he looks like the most uncomfortable player there. Like he doesn’t know what to do. He burns as much energy just figiting on the bench as he does playing.

  31. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    To me, keeping up with the highlights and games while you’re on the DL is like one of us checking our work email when we’re home sick.

  32. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I work right next to the Fan Cave and mostly its empty with suit and tie types inside pointing at things and then pointing to other places but I did spot D.Rob outside there a couple weeks back so that was pretty cool.

    I’m still not sure I understand what this “event” really is, though. They have baseballs? That will be used in Yankee games? And there is nothing special about them other than they *might* end up being thrown at and hit by Jeter? Is that it? Fail.
    ———————

    Where is it?

    I just don’t see how anybody could relate to spending an entire year watcxhing every single ball game. It strikes me as an incredibly dumb marketing stunt.

  33. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    In an article about A-rod and Jeter, A-rod came over to Jeter’s apartment and hopped onto the couch, asking which channel the baseball games were on. Jeter stared blankfaced at A-rod and asked why he wanted to watch baseball? A-rod said he watches every game and was surprised Jeter didnt have the baseball package.

    Jeter may end up as an owner of a team someday, but A-rod is the more likely GM/Manager. Just wired differently. Jeter, in my opinion, is instinctual. Of course he works at stuff and practices but everything about him is instinct. A-rod does more intelligence gathering and onion peeling.

  34. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Must be a slow news day.

    :)

  35. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    MTU, did you see the answer to your question about Shaeffer Hall?

  36. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Whatever issues there are with Jeter at this point in his career, his tv viewing habits shouldn t be one of them.

    “Jeter may end up as an owner of a team someday, but A-rod is the more likely GM/Manager”

    They’d potentially make very good co-owners. Jeter can handle the business/public relations side, while A-Rod can supervise the nuts and bolts baseball decisions.

  37. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    In an article about A-rod and Jeter, A-rod came over to Jeter?s apartment and hopped onto the couch, asking which channel the baseball games were on. Jeter stared blankfaced at A-rod and asked why he wanted to watch baseball? A-rod said he watches every game and was surprised Jeter didnt have the baseball package.

    **************************
    wonder what they ended up watching. ;)

  38. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Ghostwriter – its on Broadway, and Waverly is the cross street I think.. either that or west 4th street, I can’t remember right now.

    I’d actually love to win a contest where I could quit my job and just watch baseball every day for more than half a year…but I could see how some might feel its overkill.

  39. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    In an article about A-rod and Jeter, A-rod came over to Jeter’s apartment and hopped onto the couch, asking which channel the baseball games were on. Jeter stared blankfaced at A-rod and asked why he wanted to watch baseball? A-rod said he watches every game and was surprised Jeter didnt have the baseball package.

    Jeter may end up as an owner of a team someday, but A-rod is the more likely GM/Manager. Just wired differently. Jeter, in my opinion, is instinctual. Of course he works at stuff and practices but everything about him is instinct. A-rod does more intelligence gathering and onion peeling.

    ——————–

    Unless Alex Rodriguez is seriously bored with his life ten years from now I do not see him signing up for the daily grind of front office life. He’ll have more money than he will know what to do with and won’t just hop into a GM’s chair.

    My guess is that he goes the route of Reggie and Tino as a “special advisor” so that he can stick around the game, maybe spend some time working with minor leaguers at the Tampa complex and do that sort of thing.

  40. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Verducci had an article about Jeter a couple of weeks ago. It was about his quest for 3,000 and just his approach to the game. He talked about how Jeter just tries to keep everything as simple as possible and not cloud his mind with extra stuff. He never has tinkered much with his swing and he picked his first wooden bat when he turned pro because the P72 looked the most like the aluminum he swung in high school……

    Alex is just totally different…..he’s changed subtle things in his set up at the plate 3 or 4 times just this season and is always tinkering and changing things.

  41. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    “wonder what they ended up watching. ”

    They probably surfed this blog and goofed on all of our idiotic posts (except for yours, Erin!!!!!!!!!!)

  42. pat July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    “You must be joking”

    No. I’m guessing hearing Minka interviewed about Derek reaching 3000 hits isn’t going to educate or inform med about much. Maybe she’ll prove me wrong but I doubt it.

  43. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    RiverAveBlues Brian Cashman was not a fan of those wacky Trenton Thunder uniforms Derek had to wear this weekend. http://bit.ly/kujLyr

  44. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Chip,

    MJ has all the money in the world and he couldn’t stay away from basketball…..he had to be involved with it somehow because that’s what he loves. Wouldn’t surprise me if Alex is.similar when he retires from playing.

  45. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    wonder what they ended up watching. ;)

    ——————

    The Muppets. Obviously.

  46. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    IMNSHO the people who fret over what Jeter watches when he’s on the DL are the same people who took issue with the fact that he wasn’t at Old Timers’ Day. Not shockingly, these same people also are more likely to believe that the clothes they wear or the order in which they eat their snacks while watching a game will impact its outcome.

  47. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Yes GB. Thanks.

    Another Pettitte type would be great.

    Good 4th ?

  48. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    ?wonder what they ended up watching. ?

    They probably surfed this blog and goofed on all of our idiotic posts (except for yours, Erin!!!!!!!!!!)

    ****************************

    :lol:

    thanks Rich

  49. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    Chip,

    MJ has all the money in the world and he couldn’t stay away from basketball…..he had to be involved with it somehow because that’s what he loves. Wouldn’t surprise me if Alex is.similar when he retires from playing.

    ————

    That’s a good point – but MJ is an owner – I could see Alex going that route – just not putting in the grind it takes to be a GM (or the years it would take to get there)

  50. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Which is why that their time might be better spent in the gym and doing reehab than watching games on TV. I don’t stop in at my job on my days off either…

    ——

    Your job isn’t available to watch on TV and I doubt the games interfered with his rehab time.

    I don’t care that Jeter didn’t watch and I wasn’t trying to criticize him, but tbh it does seem odd.

  51. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    WHERE: MLB Fan Cave, 692 Broadway (corner of 4th and Broadway)

    ————————————–

    Reading. It’s what’s good for ya!

  52. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    In an article about A-rod and Jeter, A-rod came over to Jeter’s apartment and hopped onto the couch, asking which channel the baseball games were on. Jeter stared blankfaced at A-rod and asked why he wanted to watch baseball? A-rod said he watches every game and was surprised Jeter didnt have the baseball package.

    Jeter may end up as an owner of a team someday, but A-rod is the more likely GM/Manager. Just wired differently. Jeter, in my opinion, is instinctual. Of course he works at stuff and practices but everything about him is instinct. A-rod does more intelligence gathering and onion peeling.

    ——————–

    Unless Alex Rodriguez is seriously bored with his life ten years from now I do not see him signing up for the daily grind of front office life. He’ll have more money than he will know what to do with and won’t just hop into a GM’s chair.

    My guess is that he goes the route of Reggie and Tino as a “special advisor” so that he can stick around the game, maybe spend some time working with minor leaguers at the Tampa complex and do that sort of thing.
    ————————-

    Alex just doesn’t seem to have much of a personality aside from baseball. I could totally see him in a FO job,obsessing over each little detail on a team. However, I don’t think that this suggests that he would be any good at being an executive.

  53. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Just like Jeter wasn’t watching the games on TV, his teammates weren’t sitting in the dugout going ‘I wish we had Jeter here.’ They were focused on winning.

  54. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    As a Yankees fan I love that the team is in 1st place, with the best record in the AL, and 2nd best in MLB.

    I don’t understand those that worry about each loss like it meant missing the PS.

    It appears the only fans that don’t think the Yankees are a very powerful, good baseball team, are their own fans.

    Fear not, we shall over come our injuries, our hitters are picking up the pace, and we were better equipped to deal with injuries than most other teams.

    When the RS have to deal with the injuries and lack of production, they lack the resources we have, so they will be more likely to experience a large down turn.

    Life is good, I’m a Yankees fan. :)

  55. Vineyard Yankee July 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    The ‘E’ Channel………..LOL.

  56. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    wonder what they ended up watching.

    ??????

    The Muppets. Obviously.

    *********************

    awesome. :D

  57. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Former Yankee outfielder Dion James’ kid is playing in his first pro game for Tampa Yanks (GCL). walked in first at bat and stole 2nd base. Bichette is 1-1 with a double and run scored.

  58. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “Alex just doesn’t seem to have much of a personality aside from baseball. ”

    Um, poker. Duh.

  59. bruceb July 5th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    AJ Burnett blew a 2-0 lead last night while Chris Capuano overcame a 2-0 deficit as the Mets beat the Dodgers 5-2. Burnett is 8-7 with a 4.12 ERA. Capuano is also 8-7 with a 4.19 ERA. Those stats are remarkably similar. The only difference is that Burnett is getting paid $16.5 mill a year on a five-year-contract while Capuano is on a basic $1.5 mill (that could rise to $3 mill with incentives) on a one-year deal. Conclusion: Burnett is a complete waste of money and the sooner the Yanks can offload him – even if they have to continue paying part of his wages – the better.

  60. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Vineyard Yankee July 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    The ?E? Channel???..LOL.

    *********************

    LOL For some reason, I can totally picture them sitting there watching an E! True Hollywood Story. ;)

  61. m July 5th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    You guys really want to get Derek out of the field. Dreaming up all kinds of scenarios. ;)

  62. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    For me, if there are 2 outs, and the game on the line, the batter I want up is either Granderson or Cano. Not taking anything away from other players, it’s just the fact these 2 players have the knack of coming up big in those type of situations, IMO.

  63. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Which is why that their time might be better spent in the gym and doing reehab than watching games on TV. I don’t stop in at my job on my days off either…

    ——

    Your job isn’t available to watch on TV and I doubt the games interfered with his rehab time.
    –>You don’t know what my job is.

    I don’t care that Jeter didn’t watch and I wasn’t trying to criticize him, but tbh it does seem odd.
    –> Opinions vary, I guess. It doesn’t seem odd to me that he would want to leave his work issues aside for awhile, and clear his mind.

  64. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
    Which is why that their time might be better spent in the gym and doing reehab than watching games on TV. I don’t stop in at my job on my days off either…

    ——

    Your job isn’t available to watch on TV and I doubt the games interfered with his rehab time.

    I don’t care that Jeter didn’t watch and I wasn’t trying to criticize him, but tbh it does seem odd.
    ———-

    Gee – you mean you think it’s possible that the Yankee training complex and perhaps Derek’s own gym have TVs in them like 90% of the gyms available to the public.

    The only time I’ve ever found it strange that someone involved in baseball didn’t watch the games was in Moneyball when Beane said that he turns off all the TVs and radios in the training room during games and works out because if he watched the games he would get so frustrated that he would storm into the dugout and curse out Art Howe.

  65. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    MTU, a solid 2 or a good 3 type, I’d think. Want to see more of him at AAA. He’s 23 and just his 3rd year in the pros. 243 innings, 40 walks, 177 strikeouts, 3.25 ERA, 41 starts, 18 wins and 11 losses. 19 homers allowed.

  66. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    In an article about A-rod and Jeter, A-rod came over to Jeter?s apartment and hopped onto the couch, asking which channel the baseball games were on. Jeter stared blankfaced at A-rod and asked why he wanted to watch baseball? A-rod said he watches every game and was surprised Jeter didnt have the baseball package.

    **************************
    wonder what they ended up watching.

    ———

    If Minka had the remote I’m guessing one of those wedding shows to try and move things along.

  67. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Al-

    Would you do anything before the TD ?

    If so, what would be the changes you would like to see ?

  68. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    The Fan Cave is really dumb.

    It’s basically right on NYU campus and no one in area cares about it.

    Everytime i walk past it you are not even allowed in.

    The whole thing seems like a waste of time and money

  69. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    GB7 -

    Where did this kid come from? It appears a SP with that ability would not have been under the radar this long.

  70. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    They got 2 phonies (a hollywood ‘actor’ and an orioles fan?) to be the fan cave people instead of grabbing some baseball people that already have an online presence. Fan cave wasn’t very well done by MLB.

  71. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    “It’s basically right on NYU campus”

    *nostalgia*

  72. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Gee –you mean you think it’s possible that the Yankee training complex and perhaps Derek’s own gym have TVs in them like 90% of the gyms available to the public

    ——

    :?:

  73. G-C July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Saying that Burnett is a “waste of money” is just wrong.

    John Lackey is a waste of money. AJ Burnett is not.

    Is he overpaid? Yep. Frustrating? Yep. Seem to have a propensity to always do something to turn a horrific start into a horror show? Yep.

    But when the season ends I’d put money on him putting up 200 innings of 110 ERA + ball. He has some improving to do if he’s going to meet that this year, but its improvement well within his reach. Its not worth 16 million dollars, but there really are a lot worse pitchers you could slot into a Yankee rotation than AJ Burnett.

  74. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    GB-

    Kid kinda came out of nowhere. Didn’t he ?

    Too bad Bleich injured himself. He had potential too.

    Not sure he’ll be the same again.

  75. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    They got 2 phonies (a hollywood ‘actor’ and an orioles fan?) to be the fan cave people instead of grabbing some baseball people that already have an online presence. Fan cave wasn’t very well done by MLB.

    —————-

    Wait, you mean Bud Selig would sign off on a bad idea? I’m shocked.

  76. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Chip
    Thank you for your 12:36 post. I chose the bottom of the 7th to walk my dog, figuring it was a good time as the Yankees had just scored. I forgot to caution AJ not to give the lead back. I have been worried since then that it was my fault.

  77. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    “Its not worth 16 million dollars, but there really are a lot worse pitchers you could slot into a Yankee rotation than AJ Burnett.”

    As long as he’s the #4 and you have a short leash when he struggles, he’s fine.

  78. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Gee –you mean you think it’s possible that the Yankee training complex and perhaps Derek’s own gym have TVs in them like 90% of the gyms available to the public

    ——

    I was agreeing with your sentiment that Derek’s TV watching would not interfere with his work out regime.

  79. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    G-C, totally agree

  80. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Chip
    Thank you for your 12:36 post. I chose the bottom of the 7th to walk my dog, figuring it was a good time as the Yankees had just scored. I forgot to caution AJ not to give the lead back. I have been worried since then that it was my fault.

    —————-

    No problem Kate – though next time it’s better to let the dog poop on the rug rather than take that risk.

  81. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    G-C

    Yes. Lackey is.

    :) :) :)

  82. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    AL, Hall was drafted in 2009 in the 25th round. About the same round as he was drafted 2 times before. He’s been really good for all 3 years, but, like Pettitte won’t “WOW” anyone until the end of the game. He should be getting more coverahe…like David Phelps, from Chad. They’re his homies. Hall from Independence, Mo. and Phelps from St. Louis.

  83. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    LGY – I know, its kinda sad too because at first I thought the public would have more access. Also kind of ironic they built it so close to a campus with no competitive sports teams to speak of lol, but I guess since they aren’t encouraging walking traffic inside it was a good fit.

  84. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    The problem with AJ’s contracts is opportunity costs. If they didn’t sign him, perhaps they could have had the money to sign Matt Holliday, who is a much better investment.

  85. Vineyard Yankee July 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Erin July 5th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    They would never tell. ARod was probably looking to see if he was on the show that day so he could say ‘Hey Jeet look at me’ when he came on the screen.

  86. LGY July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I was agreeing with your sentiment that Derek’s TV watching would not interfere with his work out regime

    —–

    Gotcha.

  87. blake July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    You mean you can’t just walk into the the fan cave whenever you want and reel in a giant turkey while sitting beside Nick Swisher?

  88. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    MTU, I’ve been watching Hall for a couple of years. As I said, can’t appreciate what he’s done until the game is over. A typical late blooming left hander? Possibly. As far as Bleich goes, he’s back to throwing in Extended Spring games. Hopefully, he can get in games this year. He’s a really good pitcher. Went to Stanford, but, grew up in Louisiana…always good fortune for the Yankees.

  89. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    GB-

    Since they’re homies from Mo. do they run around in Low rider tractors ?

    :)

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Selig and MLB are to be commended for attempting to reach out to a younger demographic. The Man Cave is just a small part of that effort, if it doesn’t work they will tweak the concept I would imagine. The fact people are talking about it is a start.Addressing baseball’s falling popularity among kids is the important issue here.

  91. stuart a July 5th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    watched the game this morning. aj was aj, the super tease..

    i have never seen a guy with that type of contract get such a pass from fans and media.

    newsflash the guy is stealing money and is a dope…. the guy gave a 3 run jack up to the 9th hitter after walking 2 guys after given a 2 run lead. usual the dope gets mad at Girardi for pulling him but no you get kay and the other dopes mentioning maybe he was tired.

    just because the guy is a joker does not mean he is not stealing his paycheck……………….

  92. G-C July 5th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Rich,

    This is true. But given his stuff and newfound health, I actually do not believe he’ll have a particularly difficult time aging. His changeup is a nasty enough pitch that as he loses a step or two on his fastball, increased usage of it could counteract that loss. I see him pitching at about this level for next year at least, and don’t think its a stretch to say that he could do it for the duration of his contract.

    Given what the Yankees had gone through with their pitching in both 2007 and 2008, his signing at the time a near necessity. Even go back to 2006. People here are aghast over the possibility of AJ Burnett starting a playoff game this year, but remember that in 2006 we had JARET WRIGHT countering a good Jeremy Bonderman in a decisive playoff game.

  93. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    WCYF – If thats what they were trying to do with the fan cave they built it by the wrong school. By a LONG shot.

  94. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    MTU July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    GB-

    Since they’re homies from Mo. do they run around in Low rider tractors ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not sure about Hall and Phelps, but. I can certainly see Chad riding around in bibbed overalls, straw hat and his Massey Fergeson tractor with a tape deck and listening to Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings.

  95. bruceb July 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    G-C July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    Saying that Burnett is a “waste of money” is just wrong.

    How can it be wrong when you have pitchers like Colon and Garcia giving you their heart and soul each and every outing for a fraction of what AJ earns? You could argue that he had a good outing last night and that Girardi simply left him in too long. But the fact remains that he was signed to be a No. 2 starter and the Yankees hoped that he was the type of pitcher who could hold on a two-run lead in the later innings of a game. Not to mention that one of the reasons they paid him the big bucks was his record against the Red Sox and I believe he is 0-8 against them as a Yankee. AJ reminds me of a thoroughbred racehorse who can only win on the bridle. If you touch him with the whip, he won’t got through with his effort.

  96. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    If MLB really wants to address baseball’s falling popularity w/ kids, they should have play off and WS games at an earlier time, so kids could actually watch the games. Even Sunday night baseball is on too late for a school night.

  97. tyanksfan36 July 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    GB

    I saw a lot of Hall last year. Nothing exceptional about him except he always kept them in the game. I think he might have even struck out Chase Utley when he did his rehab with Clearwater last year.

    Its good to hear he moved up so fast, I hope he has much success in AAA.

  98. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    They could also fund baseball leagues, say pay for the cost of equipment (which is more expensive than soccer) and renovate fields.

    I guess you can commend MLB for trying, but they have to also take the hit for doing it poorly. They should get more credit for their MLB twitter account which is actually funny (it used to not be, so someone changed it, I doubt it was selig)

  99. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    upstate kate – Good point. Also, they could trade in all their beer endorsement deals and replace them with Kool-Aid ads. (This is a secret wish I have along with having Bartolo Colon paint himself red and smash through a wall in the stadium yelling, ‘Ohhh YEAAA’)

  100. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Mike -

    First, I’d have to take a long hard the injury reports, and needs based on this report. Most likely I’d look for a top BP pitcher, and an OF bat (Beltran maybe). I’d have to look long and hard, regardless of $$$ at dealing with the Padres for BP help.

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    WCYF – If thats what they were trying to do with the fan cave they built it by the wrong school. By a LONG shot.

    ***************

    NYU isn’t a bastion of athleticism? Who knew?

  102. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Basically, you don’t reach out to a younger demographic by hiring 2 uninteresting people to write uninterestingly about the sport in a location that only people who already fans of baseball would know or care about.

  103. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    TY, Hall is just that. He just figures it out on the mound. He has a 90-92 MPH fastball, good change-up and very good curve and cutter. He’s a craftsman on the mound for someone so young.

  104. G-C July 5th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    “But the fact remains that he was signed to be a No. 2 starter and the Yankees hoped that he was the type of pitcher who could hold on a two-run lead in the later innings of a game.”

    _______________________________________________________

    This fact will remain for the next two years after this one. And its something we’ve known for a while. At some point people (including Girardi) will have to accept him for what he is, a good middle of the rotation starter getting paid at a level not commensurate with his ability.

    At this point I feel fortunate enough that the AJ of last year looks like an aberration.

  105. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    The problem with AJ’s contracts is opportunity costs. If they didn’t sign him, perhaps they could have had the money to sign Matt Holliday, who is a much better investment.
    ——————

    Or maybe they don’t win the WS in 2009 and decide that they need more pitching and sign John Lackey instead.

  106. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Lower ticket prices and funding some youth leagues would get MLB alot further with young people than a silly marketing campaign. I would be astonished if this fan cave thing actually engages more people,

  107. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Shame
    I love the Kool Aid idea…that would be perfect for Colon.

  108. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    WCYF – LOL, yeah and thanks to my stupid liberal arts education I can’t do math either. Imagine how confusing it is reading all the stat-head posts on this blog for a simple minded chick like myself..oh right..I’m a woman too.. hey maybe THATS why I can’t do math. Hmmph.. and all this time I’ve been blaming my schooling.

  109. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    upstate kate ? Good point. Also, they could trade in all their beer endorsement deals and replace them with Kool-Aid ads. (This is a secret wish I have along with having Bartolo Colon paint himself red and smash through a wall in the stadium yelling, ?Ohhh YEAAA?)

    *******************************

    :lol:

    epic.

  110. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    I went to Citi Field for the first time this past weekend.

    It’s so much better than new Yankee stadium it’s not even funny.

  111. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Thanks Al.

    The Yankees are apparently interested in Adams. Question is the price.

    By the way, JCPD was around this AM. He said he’s runnin’ down to Cleveland for Weds. game.

    I told him you were asking about him.

  112. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Basically, you don’t reach out to a younger demographic by hiring 2 uninteresting people to write uninterestingly about the sport in a location that only people who already fans of baseball would know or care about.

    ************

    As I said, it is part of an overall marketing strategy. If the Man Cave concept needs tweaking I am sure they will. They are undoubtedly doing focus group testing, etc.

  113. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    I do find it interesting that MLB has decided to try and promote baseball by having a glass room where you can watch a couple of people sit on a couch eating, watching tv and playing video games.

    So rather than encourage kids to go out and play the game they’re encouraging them to sit around and stuff their faces. Sure, that’s a good idea for a nation that is already overweight.

  114. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Really Jeers? What did you like about it?

  115. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    G-C

    It’s not the aging so much as the inconsistency, which has always been there, but the problem in the last couple of seasons is that FB velo has declined (94.2 in ’09 to 92.5 in ’11).

    So that makes it even more imperative that he locate and use his secondary pitches, which he is doing this season with his change (9.6% in ’11 from 3.1% in ’09).

    Is that enduring? Who knows, but it is a promising sign. I credit Rothschild.

    I wouldn’t have given AJ five years even if it meant not winning in 2009. I prefer a more long range plan in constructing a roster, and there are just too many variables with AJ.

    Again, as long as he’s your #4, he’s fine, but as was obvious again last night, when he appears to be losing it, he probably is, so get him out quickly.

  116. Nick in SF July 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    “Didn’t Alex buy a T.V. and the MLB package for a bar in Colorado so he could watch the Yankees while he rehabbed his hip in ’09?”

    That’s nothing, Kobe Bryant went to Colorado to rehab and ended up buying a $5 million ring!

  117. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    GB7 -

    Thanks for that info, I look forward to seeing him on my trip to SWB.

  118. Tom in N.J. July 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    “That’s nothing, Kobe Bryant went to Colorado to rehab and ended up buying a $5 million ring!”

    Oh. My. God.

    :lol:

  119. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    As I said, it is part of an overall marketing strategy. If the Man Cave concept needs tweaking I am sure they will. They are undoubtedly doing focus group testing, etc.

    This doesn’t change the fact that the fan cave sucks and doesn’t really serve a purpose right now. Which is why its so odd that you decided to take an oppositional stance against it while white knighting bud selig.

  120. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Nick in SF -

    Like Kobe, always on top of things. :)

  121. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    My problem with the Fan Cave is more of a general one. If you want to promote something – promote PLAYING THE GAME not sitting on your butt watching TV.

  122. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    “Or maybe they don’t win the WS in 2009 and decide that they need more pitching and sign John Lackey instead.”

    They’d probably have signed Lowe, but that’s sometimes the problem with deep pockets. You feel you need to spend on the best available, even if it would be better to have patience and wait for other opportunities or grow your own.

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Chip it is just one thing MLB is doing to promote the game, not the only thing. The Man Cave’s target audience is teens and twenty something’s. Younger kids are targeted differently.

    Here is some more information:

    http://www.sportsletter.org/sp.....lines.html

  124. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    The Always Epic campaign? Where the focus is Brian Wilson’s beard? Thats gonna get kids to play? Ok. MLB could be doing a better job.

  125. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    anytime, AL. don’t expect a “WOWZER”….More like a “how does he do it?” pitcher.

  126. blake July 5th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    What they really should have is the Saber Cave…..where you can learn to do the calculations that makes one a real fan :)

  127. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I apologize if this was already posted.

    The Yanks have signed 3rd base prospect Andujar for 750K.

    He was ranked in the top 50 of available prospects.

    Hope we get a few more.

  128. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    What they really should have is the Saber Cave…..where you can learn to do the calculations that makes one a real fan

    It would be difficult for passerbys to look into a room with no windows.

  129. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    GB7 -

    Results count for more than style.

  130. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    The Always Epic campaign? Where the focus is Brian Wilson?s beard?

    *****************************

    that beard seriously freaks me out.

  131. Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    # Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    My problem with the Fan Cave is more of a general one. If you want to promote something – promote PLAYING THE GAME not sitting on your butt watching TV.

    —————————————-

    Would it kill mlb to take the young stars of the game put them in commercials. I remember the one yrs ago with Jeter, A-rod, and Nomar.

  132. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    MTU -

    Where did he come from?

  133. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    It’s still a very odd promotion, and it makes no sense that MLB would exclude women from their target demographic. It seems like a bad idea, and a poorly executed one at that.

  134. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Really Jeers? What did you like about it?

    —————————————————————–

    IMO it’s just a “warmer” more inviting space. It’s the difference between red brick and grey concrete. There’s much more open public spaces and activities for children. The staff is friendly and efficient.

    The food could be the best I’ve seen in any stadium. Prices are better as well.

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Women are not the target audience.

  136. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    In all seriousness, it would be nice if MLB promoted the game to kids more, especially in areas where money is hard to come by. I know Gary Sheffield got mocked mercilessly, and he’s definitely not the most well spoken guy, but some of the points he was trying to make about minorities players in the league were actually very true.

  137. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Al-

    “Where did he come from?”

    Who are we talking about here ? Ya’ lost me. sorry.

  138. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    thanks Jeers…I am sure it is an improvement over Shea.

  139. Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    SN: Verdict reached in Casey Anthony trial.

    no news on what it is yet but a verdict has been reached

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    MLB has to promote the game to kids. Baseball’s popularity is dropping and that is a threat to the game in the long run. Drive by any park on a Saturday and tell me how many kids you see playing soccer as opposed to having a catch.

  141. Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Verdict to be read at 2:15

  142. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Women are not the target audience.
    —————————
    Ya’ think?

  143. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Wait, don’t the saber guys already live in a cave? Or is it in a basement?

  144. 86w183 July 5th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    I saw the Fan Cave proposal and briefly — VERY briefly considered applying just for grins.

    To me the biggest problem is you cannot watch 6-8 games at a time. They might have done better picking a blogger for each division or maybe even one per team. Hell even sitting through every game of any team would be grueling enough.

    They are not excluding females with this promotion, but it”s clearly more attractive to young men than any other demo

  145. MTU July 5th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Jeers-

    Citifield is a pitcher’s park. NYS is more of a hitter’s park.

    Too bad the Mets have neither.

    :(

  146. Jerkface July 5th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I saw the Fan Cave proposal and briefly — VERY briefly considered applying just for grins.

    I applied but I imagine my vulgar twitter account disqualified me, or they read my blog posts.

  147. Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    “SN: Verdict reached in Casey Anthony trial.”

    It was a fairly short deliberation given the length of the trial, which tends to be good for the prosecution, but who knows?

  148. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    In all seriousness, it would be nice if MLB promoted the game to kids more, especially in areas where money is hard to come by. I know Gary Sheffield got mocked mercilessly, and he’s definitely not the most well spoken guy, but some of the points he was trying to make about minorities players in the league were actually very true.
    ———————————-

    Absolutely. I think Sabathia’s efforts will do a hell of a lot more than this fan cave nonsense. Some more day games also would help, as well as lowering ticket prices for parents bringing kids out to the park. These are the kinds of things that will build loyalty and future fans.

  149. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Ravel Santana has hit his 3rd homer for Tampa Yanks (GCL)

  150. Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    # Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    “SN: Verdict reached in Casey Anthony trial.”

    It was a fairly short deliberation given the length of the trial, which tends to be good for the prosecution, but who knows?

    ———————————-

    Yea it was very quick no way around that.

  151. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    SN: Verdict reached in Casey Anthony trial.

    **************************
    wow, that was quick

  152. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    Wait, don’t the saber guys already live in a cave? Or is it in a basement?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Actually, in their own world.

  153. Against All Odds July 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    yep 10 hrs deliberation is quick

  154. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Is the goal to get more kids involved in playing the sport? Or to increase the fan base?
    Minor league games are a lot of fun for a reasonable price.

  155. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    MTU July 5th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Jeers-

    Citifield is a pitcher’s park. NYS is more of a hitter’s park.

    Too bad the Mets have neither.

    :(
    ————————

    I went to Citifield for the first time last weekend. I have to admit that they did a terrific job with the new park, and I really liked the proximity of the train station. As nice as it it is, I’ll still take Yankee Stadium (old or new) over Citifield. I also found it quite remarkable how they were able to migrate the smell of the men’s room from Shea Stadium to the new place :)

  156. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    A must read recent article in the Wall Street Journal on the subject matter we are discussing.

    http://online.wsj.com/article_.....DAyWj.html

  157. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    Chip it is just one thing MLB is doing to promote the game, not the only thing. The Man Cave’s target audience is teens and twenty something’s. Younger kids are targeted differently.

    Here is some more information:

    http://www.sportsletter.org/sp…..lines.html

    ———–

    That’s fair but it’s not like a 12 year old can’t see the fan cave…marketing is tricky – just because you’re gearing to a specific audience doesn’t mean that other audiences won’t see it.

  158. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Is the goal to get more kids involved in playing the sport? Or to increase the fan base?
    Minor league games are a lot of fun for a reasonable price.

    ***********

    Both — and the money and overwhelming fan and advertiser interest is in major league baseball.

  159. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Is the goal to get more kids involved in playing the sport? Or to increase the fan base?
    Minor league games are a lot of fun for a reasonable price.
    ————————–

    Good point. I always forget about minor league ball. I wonder what they do on the minor league levels to promote the game to youngsters…

  160. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Ghostwriter – Good point and Tex’s work has been great in the community as well. I think stuff like that promotes the game in the right way.

    And as far as women being the target audience… please… have you guys even seen the clothes they try to put is in to rep our teams? Disgraceful. (I know I know, “why do we need clothes at all?” I’ll just do the ribbing myself.)

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    That’s fair but it’s not like a 12 year old can’t see the fan cave…marketing is tricky – just because you’re gearing to a specific audience doesn’t mean that other audiences won’t see it.

    ********

    That’s true, but in vertical marketing efforts demographic segmentation and targeting is what’s important. There will always be some bleed effect as you say. For instance, a Clorox commercial may be designed to reach women by running on The View; but a certain number of men will see it as well due to the nature of TV.

  162. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I would love for MLB to do a Play 60 program like the NFL has where they encourage kids to just get out and play – play anything – just get the heck out from in front of the TV. Especially given when MLB is played. It’s tough in winter when the weather is cold and rainy or snowy and kids have homework and stuff like that – but the boys of summer should be encouraging kids to get outside while it’s sunny and nice and they have a break from school rather than just zoning out in front of a TV or playing with a Wii or XBox and considering that excercise.

    mini rant endith.

  163. Betsy July 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Rich, I’ll take the 2009 WS anytime……….and Lowe was horrible that year. Neither one was a particularly good option, but this is what happens when you don’t develop anything in your farm. Every year it seems we have no stability in our rotation – and it’s going to be the same next year. The scary thing is that because of this instability, we have no choice but to throw AJ out there (not that we have any choice anyway – no one would take him off our hands). He’s an ok pitcher, but not much more.

  164. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    MTU -

    Andujar is who I was asking you about, I can’t seem to find him in the top 50 prospects list.

  165. Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    WCYF – That article is interesting but I’d like to see more specific breakdowns in the statistics. I want to see the breakdowns for class/race/gender because my guess would be that the people leaving baseball behind are those that can afford the option of playing another sport. Meanwhile, you have entire cohorts of kids who already have very little access to baseball to begin with.

  166. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Ghost, every day at the minor league games, during every innig they have kid games and adult games with the adults acting like kids. There are promotions every day. Some of the best are by the son of “The Promotion King” Bill Veeck. Mike Veeck owns a good portion of a few minor League teams, including the Charleston Riverdogs. One included a Father’s Day promotion for free vasectomies, nuns giving massages during the games.

  167. Betsy July 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    What I can’t believe is Texeira is hitting .244…….He’s not the same complete hitter he was before coming here.

  168. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I think the important issues here are twofold.

    1. Recognize there is a problem; a declining interest in baseball by young kids.

    2. A multi-faceted, diverse, marketing effort to combat that. It’s all the things that have been discussed and more.

  169. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    That’s fair but it’s not like a 12 year old can’t see the fan cave…marketing is tricky – just because you’re gearing to a specific audience doesn’t mean that other audiences won’t see it.

    ********

    That’s true, but in vertical marketing efforts demographic segmentation and targeting is what’s important. There will always be some bleed effect as you say. For instance, a Clorox commercial may be designed to reach women by running on The View; but a certain number of men will see it as well due to the nature of TV.

    ————–

    Yeah but a Clorox commercial isn’t glorifying a behavior that men shouldn’t be doing.

    We don’t want kids zoning out and thinking that it’s great to just sit around stuffing their faces, watching TV and playing video games. We want them out and doing stuff. Kids who see the fan cave experience get the opposite message.

  170. Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    As nice as it it is, I?ll still take Yankee Stadium (old or new) over Citifield

    —————————————-

    Oh I’ll take old Yankee Stadium over anything. I actually like no frills parks. Even Oakland. But if there are going to be frills, you can do a lot better than what the Yanks built.

    There are so many prominent spaces in the new stadium that are off limits to most. I didn’t see that at Citifield. They’re there but they’re just not so front and center like in the Bronx.

  171. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Come on folks, AJ pitched well enough to win yesterday. If A-Rod or Gardner do their job and catch that pop up, he’s out of the inning winning 2-0, and it’s a whole different game.

  172. Ghostwriter July 5th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    And as far as women being the target audience… please… have you guys even seen the clothes they try to put is in to rep our teams? Disgraceful. (I know I know, “why do we need clothes at all?” I’ll just do the ribbing myself.
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    Heh. It just seems like a such a silly oversight. How hard would it have been for MLB to pick a guy and a girl for the fan cave? I don’t think that it would have saved the fan cave concept, but at least they wouldn’t have excluded women from the get-go.

  173. West Coast Yankee Fan July 5th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Shame Spencer July 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    WCYF – That article is interesting but I’d like to see more specific breakdowns in the statistics. I want to see the breakdowns for class/race/gender because my guess would be that the people leaving baseball behind are those that can afford the option of playing another sport. Meanwhile, you have entire cohorts of kids who already have very little access to baseball to begin with.

    ********

    A very good point that would be interesting to know. Basketball is currently number one in popularity among kids, soccer is second and baseball is third and dropping.

  174. Chip July 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Rich in NJ July 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    “Or maybe they don’t win the WS in 2009 and decide that they need more pitching and sign John Lackey instead.”

    They’d probably have signed Lowe, but that’s sometimes the problem with deep pockets. You feel you need to spend on the best available, even if it would be better to have patience and wait for other opportunities or grow your own.

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    Right – either way you’re likely not winding up with Matt Holliday – I think that Holliday was connected to Tex more than he was to AJ.

    As for the Yankees being impatient – that’s not a new thing. There are some fans who will say that it’s alright for the Yankees to take their time, maybe miss the playoffs once in a while, if they are building a strong team for the future. But that’s not who the Yankees have to reach out to. The Yankees have to reach out to the fans who shell out big money for tickets on a regular basis who demand that the Yankees put a winner on the field each and every year based on what they’re being charged for tickets.

    If you want to see what asking fans to be patient will get you in this town look at the empty seats in Citi Field.

  175. pat July 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Congratulations to he who shall not be named on accomplishing that which can not be mentioned!

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/b.....eWGaagZ5EO

  176. BIG AL July 5th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    If MLB wants more youth involved in baseball, then they should get more involved with the inner city kids baseball programs to generate more interest in the game.

    Its just too easy to pour that money into the DR and other places, and bring those youngsters into MLB, than make an all out effort to get American kids interested in staying with baseball as their favorite sport.

  177. GreenBeret7 July 5th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Bichette is 3-4 with a double, run scored and RBI

    Kuo is 3-3 with a homer, 2 runs scored and an RBI

    Justin James is 1-2 with a steal, walk and run scored

  178. upstate kate July 5th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I can only speak for my part of the world, where baseball is declining. Baseball is a spring sport that has lost out to lax, b/c the kids like to be active. The kids who play lax are generally, but not exclusively, the same ones who play soccer in the fall and hockey in the winter.

    We don’t have a minor league team nearby, but I can usually find one when we travel. They have all kinds of activities between innings to keep the kids excited, and the prices are very reasonable.

    And I think they are missing out by not targeting women.

  179. bruceb July 5th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    I went to Citi Field for the first time this past weekend.

    It’s so much better than new Yankee stadium it’s not even funny.

    Sad but true. It has a lot more character than the new Yankee Stadium, although they do need to bring the fences in. If A-Rod can’t hit one out to center field with his best swing then who can? Home runs are a big part of the game. For the amount of money they spent on it, Yankee Stadium is not the cathedral of baseball I’d hoped it would be.

  180. Bo knows July 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    And in the waddaya know group.

    Thanks to GB

    Gulf Coast League

    Bichette is two for three with a 2B

    Justin James is playing in his first game 1 for 2 so far and 1BB – son of Dion James, this year’s 13 rd draft pick, 6’5″ 230, ran track in HS. Errp

  181. Erin July 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    New Post: HBO preparing Jeter 3,000th-hit documentary

    :arrow:


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