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Game 85: Yankees at Indians

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Jul 06, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (51-33)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF

RHP Phil Hughes (0-1, 13.94)
Hughes vs. Indians

INDIANS (45-39)
Michael Brantley LF
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Travis Hafner DH
Carlos Santana C
Grady Sizemore CF
Orlando Cabrera 2B
Lonnie Chisenhall 3B
Matt LaPorta 1B
Austin Kearns RF

RHP Justin Masterson (6-6, 2.85)
Masterson vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 7:10 p.m., YES Network and ESPN

WEATHER: Most clouds we’ve seen in Cleveland this week, but still a nice day. As far as weather goes, it’s been tough to top these three games.

UMPIRES: HP Marty Foster, 1B Bill Welke, 2B Mike Estabrook, 3B Jeff Nelson

JUST GRANDY: Curtis Granderson has four home runs in his past four games, and he has five home runs in six games against the Indians this season. His 25 homers are the most for a Yankees center fielder since Bernie Williams finished with 26 in in 2001.

HOME AWAY FROM HOME: Derek Jeter is a career .364 hitter at Progressive Field, his highest batting average at any ballpark where he’s played at least 15 games. It’s also the highest batting average in this park since it opened in 1994.

ON THIS DATE: On July 6, 1933 the first all-star game was held at Comiskey Park where Babe Ruth hit the first home run — a two-run homer off Bill Hallahan — helping the American League to a 4-2 win. Lefty Gomez pitched three scoreless innings for the AL.

UPDATE, 7:18 p.m.: Nice at-bat by Brantley to draw a walk. Hughes showing a 92 mph fastball. Just went 93 on a single by Cabrera.

UPDATE, 7:22 p.m.: Hughes’ velocity is significantly better, but he’s allowed a walk and two singles to the first three batters. It’s a 1-0 Indians lead, and Hughes hasn’t gotten an out.

UPDATE, 7:31 p.m.: It’ll be interesting to see what Hughes does the rest of the way. His fastball was consistently 92-93 in the first inning, but the Indians hit him pretty hard. It’s 2-0 Cleveland.

UPDATE, 7:53 p.m.: Hughes pitched around a leadoff single in the second to leave the runner stranded. His fastball is still around 92, but he’s already approaching 50 pitches.

UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Jeter is 0-for-2 with a strikeout and a pretty well hit fly out to center.

UPDATE, 8:23 p.m.: Nice play by Sizemore to rob Swisher of extra bases. Doesn’t look like it would have gone out, but still a nice catch. It’s still 2-0 Indians in the top of the fifth. Masterson looks nasty.

UPDATE, 8:44 p.m.: It’s been a bit of a high-wire act, but Hughes is through five innings, still having allowed just the two runs. He was still throwing 92 mph in the fifth inning, so obviously the arm strength has come a long way, but the Yankees are still trailing 2-0.

UPDATE, 8:56 p.m.: Hughes is finished for the night. He threw 87 pitches, 57 for strikes. He’s handed a 2-0 deficit to Luis Ayala in the bottom of the sixth.

UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: Runners are starting to appreciated Gardner’s arm. That’s Austin Kearns at third. He had a pretty good idea what Gardner was capable of in that situation. Here comes Boone Logan needing to get Travis Hafner to get out of trouble in the sixth.

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772 Responses to “Game 85: Yankees at Indians”

  1. Joe from Long Island July 6th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Go, Philip!

    Catch you all later.

  2. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Go Yanks! Go Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughes! No more than 3 hits, Jetes!

  3. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    This is one game where a good outing by Hughes is more important than a win.

  4. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!! Let’s Go HUUUUUUUUGHES!!!!

  5. Salliedogs7 July 6th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Go Phil. Go Yanks. Welcome back. Go Jeter.

  6. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    That pitch was unhittable.

  7. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Was that the HBO cameraman walking with Jeter?

  8. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    6 pitch AB are ok.

  9. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    masterson has stupid movement on his pitches..

  10. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    I tell ya….I sure am glad Theo is a genious and traded Masterson away…..he’s pretty nasty. Those 3 pitches Jeter swung at were unhittable.

  11. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Is it just me or does it seem like we’ve been hitting against sub 4 era pitchers for a month now?

  12. kd July 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    wow. they gave up that kid for a year and a half of vmart?

  13. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Theo doesn’t make small mistakes.

  14. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    That was a Kevin Brown in his prime sinker on that 3rd one to Derek…..96 with crazy movement.

  15. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Oh no Hughes sucks! Oh wow Hughes is great! I’ve got it covered.

  16. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Masterson is the worst possible matchup for Jeter.

    The LHB in the lineup need to take advantage of Masterson’s huge platoon split.

  17. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    “Masterson is the worst possible matchup for Jeter.”

    Yup.

  18. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Blake-

    Most of the pitches to jeter were out of the strike zone.

    Sure wish Tex had the talent to go the other way against the shift.

  19. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    LGY,

    He really is…..even in his.prime he struggled with guys like this. I wanted him to play tonight but it is a tough matchup…

  20. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Trader,

    Yea but it don’t look like it out of his hand…..those things dove off a table.

  21. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    lets play a game called squeeze the strike zone.

  22. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Brantley didn’t even flinch when Hughes dropped the curve and change in there.

  23. AldotheApache July 6th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
    Masterson is the worst possible matchup for Jeter.

    ————————-

    If my new app, Bill James Baseball IQ, is to be believed …

    Jeter enters the game 5 for 12, .417, vs Masterson. Small sample …

  24. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    well this hasn’t started off good for Phil..

  25. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Curve too lollypoppy so far. ….20 mph is too much differential

  26. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    That was a batting practice pitch.

  27. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    A DP wouldn’t suck.

  28. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    That was a strike.

  29. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Again, Hafner didn’t even flinch.

    Just followed the curve all the way.

  30. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Hughes wasn’t throwing the loopy curve in the minors.

  31. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    different month same Hughes

  32. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Where was Jeter playing on that hit?

  33. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    What he does in inning 1 is meaningless. If he’s going to be a factor than its innings 5-7 that matter. This to me looks like 2nd half Hughes. Unable to finish off hitters.

  34. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Oh please, his velo is 3 to 4 mph higher.

  35. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    amazing that we took Nova out for this dreck. Still can’t put away guys at 0 and 2

  36. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    This is gonna be a long night.. That’s what happens when you throw up in the zone.. Phil’s not commanding his pitches. 14 pitches and no outs already.

  37. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Bad location…..

  38. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    hughes needs to go at least 5 innings…

  39. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Hafner hits against the shift

  40. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Can someone share with me what the gun has him at?

  41. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    14.81 ERA now….YIKES ! :-(

  42. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    error….

  43. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Terrible throw.

  44. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Awesome start.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Lots of expected dumb comments after 16 pitches.

  46. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    That’s the last thing Hughes needed.

    Dammit Martin.

  47. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Strikeout

  48. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    ugh

  49. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    The April hughes is back. Tell me Nova isn’t better.

  50. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    gun has hughes at 92-93

  51. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    That was a great curve ball.

  52. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Nice job Martin. Can’t believe I get to see this on ESPN and see this garbage.

  53. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    topping out at 93mph

  54. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    What the hell Martin?

  55. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Now, that was a major league curveball.

  56. longtime July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Hughes is toast in NY can u say Ian Kennedy

  57. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    SoS 92-93

  58. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Ugh…..that was a better hook though. He threw it harder.

  59. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    15.19 ERA….where is Igawa when you need him? (JOKE!!!)

  60. cs in la July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    One inning does not a game make.

  61. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    This is way more like 2H2010 Hughes than 2011 April Hughes.

  62. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Lots of dumb comments?

    He looks exactly the same out there as he did in April. By the third or 4th inning if he makes it that long his velocity will be down to 90

  63. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    I guess it’s too much to ask that some of you give him more than 4 or 5 batters before writing him off.

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Great change up.

  65. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Repost:
    SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    mel,
    You can never have too much pitching. You can always find room for a top notch pitcher.
    ============================

    You know—that isn’t literally true. It possible to have too much of any good thing, yes, even pitching. Too much is too much: At some point diminishing returns start to kick in. Right now, it looks like the Yanks are about 6 or 7 deep in terms of starting pitchers for a limited number rotation slots. How are you going to get them enough starts, when even slots/starts in the minor leagues are limited? We just sent down a promising prospect, who had been performing well, because we didn’t have room for him on the big club. I guess that you can always find a slot for another pitcher, but at some point, it will mean dropping another guy. This kind of trade is only worth it if the alternative is demonstrably better than the incumbent.

  66. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    He’s throwing 92-93mph wich right now is the most important thing.

  67. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    nice

  68. cs in la July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Longtime, dont be a jerk. Hughes has 17 pitches. Calm down.

  69. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    He needs to be 76-78 with the curve…..about a 15 mph difference……not 72-73…

  70. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Phil looks fine.

    I see the idiot brigade is out today.

    I’m encouraged.

  71. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    which

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Trip you don’t know what you are talking about.

  73. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Good good change.

  74. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    hughes will be fine..its his first major league start back….let him adjust..

  75. PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    This bum needs to earn a job, period.

    Make him earn it, and see if he has it. OK, take the loss tonight, and then send the bum down for awhile. Make him perform in triple A–he’s earned nothing. MLB is full of can’t miss phenoms who flame out–are we seeing one here?

    Bring back the 8-4 pitcher you stashed in AAA to bring this bum up.

  76. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Geez. 3-2 on every hitter. Can he get a friggin K.

  77. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    nice change

  78. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Really?

    He is throwing batting practice out there

  79. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Don’t feed the animals. Ignore them.

  80. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    “This bum needs to earn a job, period.”

    A bum? Your life must really suck.

  81. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan,

    totally agree

  82. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    All of his pitches are up in the zone.

  83. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Triple we must be watching a different game.

  84. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    You guys must set the bar really low if you think he is pitching well

  85. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    they are just hitting everything he throws. almost 30 pitches already.

  86. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Good play Gardy. His stuff looks better…needs to figure out how to sequence it now.and.locate better.

  87. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    This bum needs to earn a job, period.

    Make him earn it, and see if he has it. OK, take the loss tonight, and then send the bum down for awhile. Make him perform in triple A–he’s earned nothing. MLB is full of can’t miss phenoms who flame out–are we seeing one here?

    ========================
    MLB is full of can’t mss phenoms that flame out??? Really?

  88. longtime July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Say good night Dick

  89. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    WCYF,

    So he is pitching well in your mind?

  90. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    I’m not upset bc I knew phil would not be lights out..its his first start back.. I believe he will be better…. He can settle down and regroup..

  91. sunny615 July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Just readjusting to ML hitters again. He’ll settle down. Man are the natives restless.

  92. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Finally someone talks to Hughes

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    It’s his first game back, his velocity is fine, he’s thrown a couple of very good curve balls and change ups. Stop expecting Roy Halladay.

  94. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    His curveball looks god.

  95. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Phil looks just like I remember him…

    Looks like the guy who decided he didn’t need another turn at SWB is not the right guy to ask.

  96. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Rust never sleeps

  97. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Terrible cutter……Im almost to the point of thinking he just needs to scrap that pitch because he gets beat on it way too much and its just not that good.

  98. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Wow, see this is going to be an issue. Phil has absolutely NO leeway with fans, none at all. He has to be perfect, apparently

  99. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    You can tell his curveball is bad this inning just from watching the hitters.

    They are sitting back on it and recognizing it basically right out of his hand.

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Trip – I don’t think anyone expected him to be super sharp after a layoff like he had. You need to look at his stuff.

  101. filthy slider July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I hope Ivan Nova is sitting by his phone, it should be ringing any minute now.

  102. cs in la July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Man, this is a joke. You all have zero patience.

  103. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    “Im almost to the point of thinking he just needs to scrap that pitch because he gets beat on it way too much and its just not that good.”

    To LH hitters.

  104. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Really?

    He is throwing batting practice out there
    ——————

    Don’t you think that it’s a bit soon to pass judgment?

  105. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    He threw one good curveball that inning.

    Nice and tight to Santana.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    LGY you don’t know what you are talking about.

  107. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Now that he’s got this inning out of the way. It’ll be smooth sailing from here on.

  108. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    That’s fine right there.

    I predict he adjusts and tosses 5 innings of 2 or 3 run ball.

    I’d take that given that his stuff looks pretty good.

  109. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    I expected an adjustment period. The PC is high, but whatever.

  110. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    32 pitches nice grab by cano to save another rn

  111. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Woo Hoo….ERA down to 14.29 and only needed 32 pitches to get out of first inning and we are only down 2-0 WOO HOO !!!! LOL :-)

  112. Brock July 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Looks like same old Hughes…gets 2 strikes then has trouble putting guys away.

  113. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I’ll take just 2 runs though for his first inning back…a lot involved…nerves…lack of feel…confidence,,,etc.

    Let’s get him 5 innings and get him out for next time. Can’t wait to see the effect Rothschild has on him going forward

  114. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I think that Hughes did fine, and he managed to keep a lid on the damage. After his shaky start, I’ll be happy if he gives us 5 innings of 4-run ball.

  115. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I already feel bad for Phil – I almost wish he had stayed in the minors if he’s going to be taking this much grief already.

  116. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    It’s the same crap with Hughes. He gets to 2 strikes and can’t put anyone way. I don’t understand why the yanks rushed him back to the majors. He should be in AAA working on his secondary pitches. Every out was hit extremely hard.

  117. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    LGY you don’t know what you are talking about.

    ——-

    Then explain to me why he had one swing and miss on his curveball that inning?

  118. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    It’s just amazing the animosity towards him – bum?

  119. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Rich,

    Yea he can throw it to lefties but even then it flattens out and he doesn’t always get in inside enough. He needs a pitch to miss bats with…..I think it can be his curveball but he is going to have to throw it harder…..like high 70s

  120. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I already feel bad for Phil – I almost wish he had stayed in the minors if he’s going to be taking this much grief already.
    =================

    Why? He had to go through this sooner or later. He’ll be okay :)

  121. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Couple bad starts and people will be screaming Hughes to the pen!!

  122. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    It’s ONE inning – ONE. Does he get ANY rope at all?

  123. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    “He threw one good curveball that inning.”

    I believe it was also the hardest one at 76 mph.

  124. beedogs July 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Get rid of Spil Poos, bring back Nova!

  125. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    “It’s the same crap with Hughes. He gets to 2 strikes and can’t put anyone way. I don’t understand why the yanks rushed him back to the majors. He should be in AAA working on his secondary pitches. Every out was hit extremely hard.”

    ______________________________________________

    And if Jeter isn’t positioned ridiculously for Hafner he gets a double play and probably is out of that inning with no runs.

    I’m not making a whole lot out of the results in this start. This is much more about him maintaining velocity for 100 pitches and coming through the start unscathed and feeling good mentally and physically.

  126. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Ghost, this is really painful. I took a ton of crap for criticizing him, but I never ever got this personal – it’s mean spirited at this point.

  127. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    It’s the same crap with Hughes. He gets to 2 strikes and can’t put anyone way. I don’t understand why the yanks rushed him back to the majors. He should be in AAA working on his secondary pitches. Every out was hit extremely hard.
    ____
    Exactly why he is back in majors. Rothschild will help him figure out approach to closing the deal.

  128. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Who does Alex think he is Ichiro? Homerun or bust Arod!!

  129. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Boy that was a great swing by Alex. 2 runs was fortunate for the Yanks…..hopefully Phil settles in next innig.

  130. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    His fastball moved too much. I think that 1st at bat if it were any other pitcher Brantley would have chased the curveball for strike 3. But i think their plan was to let slow stuff go.

  131. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Blake – I think his use of the cutter and his focus on the cutter has actually hampered his other pitches. He was a better pitcher before the cutter became the topic of every hughes interview.

  132. PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Yes, we have zero patience.

    We have been waiting for this guy to break out for how long? Three years? Four years?

    First it was injury. Then starting after the ASB last year, it was simply pure suckage. This season, who knows?

    He was at his best pitching as the set up guy in 09. Maybe he needs to go back to that? I don’t know.

    What I do know is that 30 pitch innings just don’t get it done. Phil needs to be on an extremely short leash–maybe they should make him a reliever?

    My patience with this nonsense is at an end when they take a guy (Nova) who essentially developing game by game into a decent #3 or 4, and toss him back to triple A for this crap.

    Sorry, time to call a spade a spade.

  133. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Forget the pen – one more inning like this the rest of the season and people will be screaming to put Phil out of his misery

  134. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Wow, see this is going to be an issue. Phil has absolutely NO leeway with fans, none at all.

    ————————————————————————————-

    Well, he has no leeway with about 4 fans in here. Others seem to be giving him leeway.

  135. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    It would be really nice to put a three spot up here and give Phil a lead to work with.

  136. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    GC,

    They were playing Hafner to pull and double play depth.

  137. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Take advantage of the lucky break now

  138. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    why is Ricky Romero CY against the Yanks, but gives up bombs to Sox.

  139. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    That was rough. :(

  140. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Carlo,

    There is no evidence…..but I can’t argue with ya

  141. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Sick play by LaPorta

  142. Salliedogs7 July 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Need a hit here.

  143. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Works as a sacrifice.

  144. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Betsy,

    Most of them are just impatient. And of course, the negative crowd that checks in every time the Yanks fall behind has shown up. Pay them no mind–they’ll leave once the Yanks put up a few runs.

  145. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    could have been a tie game if that ball goes through

  146. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Boston just owns Romero.

    No idea why, but they crush him.

  147. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    could have been a tie game if that ball goes through…

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    LGY you don’t know what you are talking about.

    ——-

    Then explain to me why he had one swing and miss on his curveball that inning?

    **************

    That I have to explain it to you reinforces what I said originally. Read my posts on the page and you will understand.

  149. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Need to get at least 1 here.

  150. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Really? Phil’s first half last year blows Nova’s doors off. What were you saying about him at the ASB last year? It’s ok to have patience for Nova, but now you already want to condemn Phil to the pen?

  151. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Betsy,
    Im sure alot of this hate comes from expectations. Hughes was suppose to be the next Ace on this staff. The hype was through the roof. Imagine if Montero comes here and struggles. It will be the exact same story. Its front offices fault for over hyping their players. Im just glad he isnt throwing 80 mph fast balls. Thats a good sign.

  152. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Can’t wait for the ivan nova chants when hughes pitches at home. Maybe he should be in the minors. He had a good season in the pen and one good half season in the majors, maybe he’s just another over hyped prospect. Reality could be he’s just not that good. Even when he was good last year he had trouble putting guys away, would fall in love with his cutter and end up getting hammered

  153. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Then he should have been working out the kinks in the minors instead of up here during a pennant race?

  154. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Let’s go posada!!!!

  155. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Ghost, at this point I think the fans have turned on him – for good.

  156. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    That I have to explain it to you reinforces what I said originally. Read my posts on the page and you will understand.

    ——————

    What does any of that have to do with an assessment of Hughes’ curveball that inning?

  157. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Fail Posada! That was a huge out.

  158. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    You can throw away the score for tonight. The most important thing is getting Phil on track for the rest of the season.

    Remember, Rothschild really hasn’t worked yet with a healthy Hughes. I hope he will change his arsenal and can the cutter, change the curve, and emphasize the change

    I wonder if Red Sox wish they had this kid back…

  159. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    SoS,

    Ace? I would have settled for a number 3/ borderline 2 guy. I knew he would never be a number 1 guy

  160. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Just a single, Martin.

  161. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    LGY-

    Maybe it’s because Sox hit offspeed pitchers pretty well.

  162. PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Since when does Phil Hughes deserve leeway? What special thing has he done to earn himself leeway with the fans?

    I could see if the Yanks were desperate for a starter. They’re not right now. Why not leave Hughes in AAA until one of Garcia, Colon, or Nova spits the bit?

    Show us, Phil, that you are lights out in AAA.

    Sorry, but it’s been four years of fan coddling. It’s over for me. I hope he does well (like the first half of 10)–that means that the Yankees are doing well. I’m not holding my breath.

  163. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I believe in Hughes long term…..but I’ve said all along that Im not sure what he will be this year.

  164. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Yanks wasted all their hits yesterday

  165. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    SOS, yeah that’s part of it, but that would account for disappointment – not this resentment. Hypocrites.

  166. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Fangraphs doesn’t seem to have pitch value splits.

  167. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    Blake – I think his use of the cutter and his focus on the cutter has actually hampered his other pitches. He was a better pitcher before the cutter became the topic of every hughes interview.

    ========

    +1 Carlo

  168. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    LGY you don’t know what you are talking about.

    ——-

    Then explain to me why he had one swing and miss on his curveball that inning?

    **************

    That I have to explain it to you reinforces what I said originally. Read my posts on the page and you will understand.
    ==========================
    Translation: I’ve got nothing.

    Westy, I’m afraid that you may be overvaluing your little pearls of wisdom in assuming that others would be willing to go back and study them. If you have a point, why don’t you just make it, instead of telling folks that they don’t know what they’re talking about?

  169. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    It stinks to not score a run there. I wonder what happened to Martin’s bat.

  170. Bret The Hitman July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    In no part of his rehabilitation did we receive any word whatsoever of a third pitch in Hughes’ severely limited arsenal. Improved velocity is one thing but you need a full repertoire if you expect to avoid hitters sitting on a pitch. Hughes is predictable. If you can’t see that, you are in denial. He is 25…Doc Gooden was mowing down major league hitters as a 19 year old yet Hughes got more press than Doc did through his entire career including the cocaine stuff.

  171. PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    And no, Jesus Montero is what? 20? He needs a full season or so to see what he has. No turning on Montero–just like no turning on Hughes–for the first four years.

  172. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    The only thing Phil has really ever done is be the most hyped prospect before Montero was signed. I myself, spent alot of time praising this kid from the moment he went into the minors and I can’t help but feel disappointed up to this point what’s happened to him. It all started in Texas on that night of his potential no-no. Then the injury happened. It’s all written from there.

  173. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Wasnt Laporta a cant miss prospect? Hes batting 242 and in the 8th spot.

  174. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Ghost, at this point I think the fans have turned on him – for good.
    ====================
    I think that you are reading way too much into a small sample on a blog. The people who are ragging on him are the ones that pretty much only show up when the Yanks are losing.

  175. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Shut up DN troll.

  176. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
    SoS,

    Ace? I would have settled for a number 3/ borderline 2 guy. I knew he would never be a number 1 guy

    ———-

    anyone grounded in reality should see that, but prospect huggers and the casual fan who listens to the media hype about Boston/NYY prospects wouldn’t know any better. Justin Masterson was another big time ACE in the making according to the media.

  177. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan July 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
    Since when does Phil Hughes deserve leeway? What special thing has he done to earn himself leeway with the fans?

    I could see if the Yanks were desperate for a starter. They’re not right now. Why not leave Hughes in AAA until one of Garcia, Colon, or Nova spits the bit?

    Show us, Phil, that you are lights out in AAA.

    Sorry, but it’s been four years of fan coddling. It’s over for me. I hope he does well (like the first half of 10)–that means that the Yankees are doing well. I’m not holding my breath.
    ———————————————

    Each time he’s come back from injury. It’s not like he’s had 4 full years of pitching. I would understand if that were the case. We all thought this year would be a step back for him. But still pitch well. He just need to continue to pitch here.

  178. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Blake, I think he could be a decent middle of the rotation starter………but that’s all. That said, that’s still a productive pitcher. He might be better off someplace else, where another teams fans never followed him in the minors and are willing to accept him for what he is.

  179. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Can’t wait for the ivan nova chants when hughes pitches at home.

    ———————————————————————————

    That’s not gonna happen.

    They may boo but they’d never chant/taunt a player like Phil. The Yanks didn’t send down Cy Young.

  180. Bret The Hitman July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Hughes had a ML-ready slider in high school and they scrapped it and then he forgot how to throw it. They should send him back to high school level ball until he remembers.

  181. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Great tag (assuming he did).

  182. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Up and flat.

  183. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    The only thing Phil has really ever done is be the most hyped prospect before Montero was signed….

    —————-

    He won 18 games last year.

  184. m July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    All I remember from Kearns is one homerun, mediocre play, and a lot of ugly swings. :mad:

  185. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I agree that the cutter has hurt him, but the Yankees don’t seem to think so………… whenever I mentioned the cutter and how it’s not that good, people would continue to throw stats at me. It’s just not a great pitch for Phil – he gets killed on it.

  186. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Hughes’ ceiling is a number 2 guy at best. no matter what Cashman was spewing during the Johan trade talks. still better off taking a chance on him than damaged goods Johan Santana.

  187. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Shut up DN troll.
    ————————-

    You still have nothing.

  188. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Kearns helped Hughes out there.

  189. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Too many sidebars. Report the friggin game.

  190. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Betsy,

    The talent is still there.

    Great play by Tex.

  191. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    I agree that the cutter has hurt him, but the Yankees don’t seem to think so………… whenever I mentioned the cutter and how it’s not that good, people would continue to throw stats at me. It’s just not a great pitch for Phil – he gets killed on it.

    ———-

    its a good pitch just not worth throwing as much as he does.

  192. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    The wins are overrated, though. He won one game out of the pen and should have had a few less wins and a few more losses. All of a sudden Nova is this huge fan favorite who can do no wrong…….

  193. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    “Too many sidebars. Report the friggin game.”

    That’s YES, the worst production of the best product.

  194. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    He may have won 18 games last year, but the offense picked him up alot and he had a terrible 2nd half. He started out great. 11-2, but it went downhill from there to this point. I want him to succeed, but I think the Yankees ruined Hughes pitch selection and the whole babying thing with Joba and Phil. Look where they are in their careers?

  195. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
    Shut up DN troll.
    ————————-

    You still have nothing.

    *************

    I don’t need to repeat myself to placate idiots like you. Read the thread and you will see what I had to say about Hughes.

  196. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Blake, I don’t think he’s all that talented, that’s the thing. Some guys just do not develop and Phil really hasn’t….It doesn’t mean he can’t be a good pitcher – I just think that it won’t be here.

  197. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Nice recovery.

  198. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    better inning for phill.

  199. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Nice bounceback.

  200. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Good inning for Phil.

  201. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Nice job Phil stranding the leadoff guy.

  202. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Sounds like Jeter said some very nice things to Nunez…….that egomaniac

  203. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Very good curve ball to get a weak grounder. Sorry to disappoint the know-it-all’s out there.

  204. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    That was another good curveball.

    He had Asdrubal out in front on it as opposed to the other ones where the Indians hitters are just sitting back on it.

  205. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Not gonna lie, that Posada at bat is still aggravating me.

  206. yanks28 July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Does Phil Hughes have anything at all? Velocity’s one thing; it looks like his pitches have no movement, and he’s never been particularly good with his control. So what is that? AAAA stuff? Last year, he was awful in the second half and good in the first, but after watching him for several years, I’m thinking last year’s first half was fool’s gold. And I fear it’s pretty tough to win with who we’ve got at the bottom of the lineup. Martin’s been flat-out dreadful, and Posada, much as I’ve loved him over the years, is no DH.

  207. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Nice comeback inning for Hughes. But who knows what would have happened if Kearns didn’t bunt?

  208. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Maybe Phil’s new gameplan is to throw just one good curveball an inning.

    Baby steps.

  209. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I mean, he’s got talent, but really – at this point, he’s mostly just a name people know. That said, he can still be productive – but it seems that if he’s not an ace, he must be a complete bust.

  210. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t need to repeat myself to placate idiots like you. Read the thread and you will see what I had to say about Hughes.
    =========================
    No thanks. It’s not worth my time.

  211. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Russell Martin = league average catcher, great D, WEAK bat. Yankee fans have been spoiled by Posada (who’s defense was never as bad as it was made out to be and in his prime was actually quite good, except for throwing out runners which he was never great at except for 2 or 3 years)

  212. Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Hughes caught a big break from that inane sac bunt. But I’ll take it.

  213. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    On a positive note. Boston down 3-2 and Hughes was economical that inning.

  214. m July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Thanks to the Indians, Phil’s pitch count leveling off a bit. Much better inning there. Nerves are gone, now he can just pitch.

  215. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Great bounce-back inning there.

  216. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I still think he needed at least one or two more rehab starts – I believe the Yankees rushed him.

  217. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    That was another good curveball.

    He had Asdrubal out in front on it as opposed to the other ones where the Indians hitters are just sitting back on it.
    ——————————

    Which is weird because they all looked the same to me. I think for me it has to do with either what the hitter was expecting and or luck

  218. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I’m also looking forward to how Martin influences a healthy Hughes once they work together a little more.

  219. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Posada is another one i’m not sold on quite yet. He could go into another swoon. Older players take longer to come out of slumps. Let’s hope Jorge doesn’t.

  220. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    another giveaway and minor league moron play by Gardner.

  221. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Nice job Phil

  222. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Russell Martin = league average catcher, great D, WEAK bat. Yankee fans have been spoiled by Posada (who’s defense was never as bad as it was made out to be and in his prime was actually quite good, except for throwing out runners which he was never great at except for 2 or 3 years)
    —————–

    Po always had too many assed balls.

  223. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Betsy,

    Nobody is looking for him to be an ace. Instead we are looking for a 2/3 guy instead of Wang 2.0

  224. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Masterson reminds me of Scott Erickson in his prime…they have a nice little pitcher there.

  225. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    ” Yankee fans have been spoiled by Posada ”

    I don’t think most Yankee fans realize how good he was.

  226. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Which is weird because they all looked the same to me. I think for me it has to do with either what the hitter was expecting and or luck

    —————–

    He may be telegraphing his curveball with his arm action.

  227. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    How much longer can the Yankees tolerate Russell’s bat when they have a similarly inept offensive backup catcher?

    I don’t think very long. I could really see Montero making 2 starts a week in the second half if he keeps this up.

  228. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    If you’re gonna bunt with that speed, you gotta place it alot better than that Bret.

  229. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    2 quick outs for CY Masterson

  230. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    LGY, the first changeup to Sizemore was actually one of Hughes’ better ones.

  231. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Po always had too many assed balls.
    ____
    Preparation H should sponsor him.

  232. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    I still think he needed at least one or two more rehab starts – I believe the Yankees rushed him
    ——————————–

    That may be true. But then it’ll be August when he gets back to ML form.

  233. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t need to repeat myself to placate idiots like you. Read the thread and you will see what I had to say about Hughes.
    =========================
    No thanks. It’s not worth my time.

    ************
    Great! Than I can count on never hearing another bit of stupidity from you correct?

  234. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Masterson is a shoulder injury waiting to happen…..but he’s got nasty stuff to righties.

  235. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    “How much longer can the Yankees tolerate Russell’s bat when they have a similarly inept offensive backup catcher?”

    I have been repeatedly told, forever.

  236. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Which is weird because they all looked the same to me. I think for me it has to do with either what the hitter was expecting and or luck

    —————–

    He may be telegraphing his curveball with his arm action.
    ===================

    I think that they’re sitting on the fastball. I would like to see him try to pitch backwards a bit more.

  237. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Triple, read some of the comments here and tell me those are not really competely over the top.

  238. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Russell Martin = league average catcher, great D, WEAK bat. Yankee fans have been spoiled by Posada (who’s defense was never as bad as it was made out to be and in his prime was actually quite good, except for throwing out runners which he was never great at except for 2 or 3 years)
    —————–

    Po always had too many assed balls.

    ———————-

    fair enough, it was pretty bad early on and did get better, always did kind of linger though. still he got shafted when it came to getting credit for the work he’s done behind the plate.

  239. blake July 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Good swing by Jeter.

  240. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Masterson’s a good example of how you never know. He was mediocre with the Sox and now he looks very good – who really knows who’s going to turn out to be any good?

  241. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I thought the thing to do with a sinkerballer was to go the other way

  242. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t need to repeat myself to placate idiots like you. Read the thread and you will see what I had to say about Hughes.
    =========================
    No thanks. It’s not worth my time.

    ************
    Great! Than I can count on never hearing another bit of stupidity from you correct?
    ==================

    Yes, you can count on not hearing any stupidity from me. Sadly, I cannot say the same for you.

  243. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    If Phil’s name wasn’t Phil Hughes he would still be in the minors and Nova would be starting. Because he was a #1 pick and so highly thought of he was rushed back to the majors. I really think having him pitch out of the bullpen was a negative for him because he wasn’t able to work on his other pitches. His cutter, curveball and changeup are all average and it hurts him. When he gets to 2 strikes he doesn’t have any out pitch to go to.

  244. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Igotid, maybe……..

  245. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Captain Clutch,

    Phil’s not getting paid the minimum anymore. He’s going to pitch.

  246. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Let’s not keep making Nova into some superstar…………

  247. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Po always had too many assed balls.
    ____
    Preparation H should sponsor him.

    ********
    bojo,
    If that fails. There is always X LAX.

  248. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    ” He was mediocre with the Sox”

    He had a 147 ERA+ in 2008 in 88 IP, Betsy. That’s an excellent rookie season.

  249. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Jesus Montero is a joke defensively and has attitude problems to boot. Id rather stick with the solid defense with Martin and deal with his light bat and hold out for Romine/Sanchez.

    Montero is too big to be a catcher, his big frame will be a problem getting strike calls, for starters.

  250. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
    Masterson’s a good example of how you never know. He was mediocre with the Sox and now he looks very good – who really knows who’s going to turn out to be any good?
    ___
    He had nasty stuff setting up Papplebon in Boston. A great arm.

  251. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Po always had too many assed balls.
    ____
    Preparation H should sponsor him.

    ********
    bojo,
    If that fails. There is always X LAX.
    =================
    I’m a rotten typist, or that was a Freudian slip on my part :)

  252. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Terrible curveball.

  253. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Frozen Rope,

    Solid defense from Martin? Are we watching the same catcher?

    Does Mauer have the same problem getting strike calls?

  254. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Rich, didn’t he regress after that? I don’t recall him being that good……..either way, I recall when the Sox traded him that people here were annoyed that they got Martinez for basically nothing

  255. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Let’s not keep making Nova into some superstar…………
    ————-

    I’m not but his stuff is more advanced at this stage. When Hughes gets to 2 strikes he has to figure out a way to put guys away. He has already given up 2 hits in that count today.

  256. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    “Jesus Montero is a joke defensively and has attitude problems to boot. ”

    How many time.have you see him play?

  257. seconds July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Kind of expect a home run soon given up by Hughes.

  258. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    The 0-2 hits are just comical.

  259. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Theres no way a pitcher with a hard fastball like Hughes should be having batters sitting back on his curve like that. It needs to be harder, tighter.

  260. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Hughes is a number 1 guy…in the NL west.

  261. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    How many more starts does he get? 2? Can’t keep running this put here when Nova is waiting

  262. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I suspect Hughes is REALLY going to benefit from working more with Larry and Russell. He really needs help on closing out batters…they’ll figure something out

  263. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    “Montero is too big to be a catcher”

    He’s similar in size to Wieters and Mauer.

  264. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Big looper….

  265. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I’ve never seen a pitcher with 0-2 counts lose the batter in the end. Very frustrating

  266. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Yes, you can count on not hearing any stupidity from me.

    ************

    A lie already?

  267. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
    The 0-2 hits are just comical.
    =======
    that was going on since last year even when he was good in the first half. well i think last year it was just a bunch of 0-2 pitches getting fouled off.

  268. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    ———————–

    I agree. I think that Nova is a bit ahead of Phil at this stage, but I’m confident that Phil will figure it out. He’s a tough kid, and a good competitor.

  269. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Betsy

    Development usually isn’t linear. That’s why patience is so important.

  270. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    It’s a shame Hughes never developed a 3rd pitch

  271. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Theres no way a pitcher with a hard fastball like Hughes should be having batters sitting back on his curve like that. It needs to be harder, tighter.

    —————-

    I don’t understand it.

    That loopy curveball just doesn’t work with his arsenal.

  272. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
    “Montero is too big to be a catcher”

    He’s similar in size to Wieters and Mauer.

    ————

    yes the HEIGHT is similiar but Montero is wider and thicker.

  273. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Nice inning. Phil is rallying.

  274. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    JF, he was throwing the knucklecurve in the minors; not sure why Hughes is reverting to loopy curves.

    Atta boy, Phil.

  275. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Another good inning from Hughes.

  276. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Hopefully Rothschild will work on that curve…………it’s a huge key. Also, if he can’t get hitters out with 2 strikes, he’s never going to be anything as a starter……..he didn’t seem to have that issue as a reliever

  277. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    0-2 pitches would turn into 7 pitch at bats even when he did get them out as well

  278. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    “Theres no way a pitcher with a hard fastball like Hughes should be having batters sitting back on his curve like that. It needs to be harder, tighter.”

    Yes…..he’s giving hitters much too much time to see it. The one Hafner hit was 74 mph which is almost a 20 mph differential…….too much.

  279. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    “yes the HEIGHT is similiar but Montero is wider and thicker.”

    I think it will be as good defensively as Piazza and a very good hitter. This team desperately needs that.

  280. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    back to back good innings. He was getting the yips out in the 1st

  281. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Montero is more flexible this year compared to years past.

  282. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Runs…

  283. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    I got a feeling this team would be better off with Hughes in pen n Nova up.

  284. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    JF, he was throwing the knucklecurve in the minors; not sure why Hughes is reverting to loopy curves.

    He had a 1-7 tight power curve in AA, it was after he got a taste of big league spring training and Moose showed him the knucklecurve that he changed it, and hasn’t had a consistent curve since.

  285. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Glad we’re coming home tomorrow.

    What a troll’s nest this place is. Only losers who have never accomplished anything start having restless leg syndrome with a young pitcher who’s coming back off the DL.

  286. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    If hughes give us two more innings I’ll take it. 5/6 innings of 2run ball should boost phil a bit.. He’s settling down. the pitch count in the first inning killed him and that was due to nerves.

  287. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Rich, that’s why I don’t agree with the fans who want to toss Phil aside like he’s not worthy of development. Now perhaps he should spend a lot more time in the minors, but on the other hand, I’d like to see what Rothschild can do for him

  288. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    and those 7 pitch at bats would turn into 100 pitches by 5 innings.

  289. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Yes, you can count on not hearing any stupidity from me.

    ************

    A lie already?
    ————–
    That’s what you came up with in six minutes? Really?? You are slow-witted, aren’t you? You poor thing…

  290. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    5 hits and some loud outs in 3 innings aren’t want you want. But I think he’ll get there soon.

  291. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Hughes seems to have settled down.

  292. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    No one here has scouted Monteros defense. Trust the FO. relax. He’s 21

  293. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    “Rich, that’s why I don’t agree with the fans who want to toss Phil aside like he’s not worthy of development”

    Betsy, they’re idiots.

  294. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    I love Hughes and I know that everyone wants to see him do well also. But you have to be honest…..his secondary pitches are garbage. In AAA he would probably throw shut outs but they aren’t good enough pitches to get good major league hitters out. His curveball just hangs right over the plate.

  295. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    JAP, well said!

  296. Frozen Rope July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7078469 there’s a fine example of the problems montero’s size will pose. and the wieters/mauer size examples are the exceptions to the rule.

  297. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Trenton rained out. Betances pitches the 5PM game tomorrow; Heyer the second game.

  298. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Now we know why Tex is batting .240?

  299. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    We had this discussion on that curve in 2009 even – I remember CB and co. specifically talking about how odd it was that hitters were sitting on that curve…………It’s on Phil to develop it, but it’s also on the Yankees – they’ve done nothing to improve it at all.

  300. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Iv been told that size doesnt matter. Was I being lied to?

  301. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    WCYF,

    Sorry again to cut in, but please stop it you made your point, now please let the thread be, besides he’s not lying, can you really hear him?? because i can’t

  302. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Masterson’s stuff is nasty. Good thing the Sox traded him. Hughes better hold the Indians down because I don’t see the Yanks scoring a lot of runs tonight if he continues pitching like this.

  303. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Granderson and Gonzalez top 2 (in no particular order) in MVP so far. But the writers think HR number are so sexy.

  304. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    ” there’s a fine example of the problems montero’s size will pose. and the wieters/mauer size examples are the exceptions to the rule.”

    Montero will only br 27 when Tex’s contract is up. If C proves a problem he can move to 1B as he ages.

    But hey, if you want to focus on negatives, go for it.

  305. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Rich, I don’t want to overreact, but I had previously been inclined to think Phil should stay in the minors and now I’m wondering if that might be the best. I’m getting a bad feeling……

  306. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Bad feeling about this game or a bad feeling about his secondary pitches?

  307. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Masterson still has trouble against lefties but the reason he is having such a good year is because he is killing righties. Lefties hit near .300 off him (which they’ve always done) but he managed to cut 100 points of average against righties.

  308. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    m,

    Bautista says I object

  309. J. Alfred Prufrock July 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Ghost, SMFH :(

  310. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    WCYF,

    Sorry again to cut in, but please stop it you made your point, now please let the thread be, besides he’s not lying, can you really hear him?? because i can’t
    ————————–
    With all due respect, Luis, he hasn’t made his point; he’s just been tossing childish insults at people. It’s what passes for argumentation with this buffoon. OTH, I have made my point, and I’ll go back to ignoring him.

  311. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Yankees are terrible tonight offensively. Other than last nights game, the offense has gone innings before getting their first hit.

  312. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    JF,
    I remember Phil having a nasty curve when he came up(12-6). Did he alter it in his first or second year?

  313. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    JF,

    How many pitches outside of the strikezone are the Yankees swinging at today?

  314. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Right, put an all-star who was 18-8 and had some shoulder inflammation issues in the minors.

  315. Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    If Tex signs with Boston rather than NY, then Masterson is still pitching for Sox. That was a good sign for Yanks.

  316. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    I ignore Bautista as much as possible. :)

    But I’m cheering for him today!

  317. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Good Ghostwriter, Jose, Aldo, whoever you are pretending to be today, I can count on you to not comment to me anymore.

  318. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    If the rotation was short and they had Gordon starting I can understand bringing Hughes up. I don’t understand why they didn’t give him another 2 starts or so down there. It made no sense to rush him back up considering he has to work on his secondary pitches and he hasn’t pitched since April.

  319. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    “If Tex signs with Boston rather than NY, then Masterson is still pitching for Sox. That was a good sign for Yanks.”

    Who disputes that?

  320. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    M, this game is meaningless in the grand scheme of things – bad feeling just about any progress Phil may or may not have made. The curve has always been worrisome to me – they’ve got to fix that. I don’t know how you fix his issues with 2 strikes – maybe he’s just not all that aware on the mound, I don’t know.

  321. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    I remember Phil having a nasty curve when he came up(12-6). Did he alter it in his first or second year?

    He has changed it almost every year. Hard to keep track with what he is doing. He is a tinkerer. He has used like 4 changeup grips since 2007.

  322. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Romero inability to pitch well for the Red Sox is really annoying me right now.

  323. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    *against* the Red Sox

  324. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Maybe Colon can mentor Hughes a little bit. FB location and finishing off guys down 0-2 in the count.

  325. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Enough with this stupid cutter already!!! It’s an awful pitch for him!!!

  326. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Phil changed his grip when Mussina got his hands on him, but I don’t know what kind of curve he had in the minors. In 2009, he came to camp with a power curve………….then, I guess it disappeared when he went into the pen and he’s never rediscovered it.

  327. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    I think Hughes should go 4 seam, 2 seam, slider, split…….he’s tried everything else.

  328. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Great curve for a strike on Kearns.

  329. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I don’t know how you fix his issues with 2 strikes

    ========

    Maybe he could have ear plugs and blinders on. Get him to believe every pitch is a 0-0 count.

  330. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Ghost,

    Yes you are right, what i meant is that he said what he thought ( right or wrong is irrelevant), what i mind is he keeps harasing bloggers for no special reason, i’m just asking as politely as i can for him to give it a rest.

  331. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    The cutter is just a spinning bp fastball way too often.

  332. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Yeah, that Jeter has no range anymore does he?

  333. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Nice play by Jete!

  334. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Romero inability to pitch well for the Red Sox is really annoying me right now.

    Nice play, old man!

  335. Salliedogs7 July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Nice play by Jeter.

  336. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Great curve for a strike on Kearns.

    ————–

    It’s a get me over curve.

    The actual quality of the pitch wasn’t good.

  337. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Nice play

  338. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    cano’s arm strength is just sickening.

  339. Wang IS Taiwan July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Love watching Jete and Cano together.

  340. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Wow what a freakin turn by Cano…..he almost turned that….incredible.

  341. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    These Toronto pitchers just wilt when they play the sox. I’m sure Romero will go back to his normal self next outing

  342. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Romero inability to pitch well for the Red Sox is really annoying me right now.

    =========

    I believe you had it right the first time. He seems to be pitching well to liking of the red sox.

  343. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    “cano’s arm strength is just sickening.”

    He could play a great 3B if he had to.

  344. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Good grief Romero

  345. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Ghost,

    Didn’t mean to insult you in any way, if you fekt insulted please forgive me, it’s just that his act is very tiresome

  346. G-C July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Would people eat their words willingly if Phil manages to throw up 6 innings of 2 run ball?

  347. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    And – another good inning by Hughes.

  348. Salliedogs7 July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Phil settling down.

  349. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Luis,

    I do appreciate what you tried to do, but it’s pointless, and frankly quite unimportant–he has precious little to offer.

    Enough of that. How have you been?

  350. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    nova could’ve been pitching the same game. Problem is yankees are not hitting masterson…

  351. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Jerkface, and the Yankees keep allowing him to change – they need to come up with good grips for him on these pitches and stop encouraging him to change them. They tried the new cutter in ST – that didn’t work.

    Blake, slider and split? He probably won’t have a long career with those pitches.

  352. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    All things considered, Hughes’ pitch count looks great. In other news, Toronto sucks.

  353. RadioKev July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    Wow what a freakin turn by Cano…..he almost turned that….incredible.
    ———

    Just thinking that.

  354. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Phil’s gotten himself on a nice little roll.

  355. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Nice job hughes…..he’s finding a way so far.

  356. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Now I think a 2-seamer would be great, but who knows if it’s a pitch he can throw?

  357. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    m July 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    All things considered, Hughes’ pitch count looks great. In other news, Toronto sucks.
    :lol:

  358. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    “Would people eat their words willingly if Phil manages to throw up 6 innings of 2 run ball?”

    That would require some thoughtful reflection, so…

  359. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    rich, if that were jorge running, it would have been a dp…lol

  360. Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    “If Tex signs with Boston rather than NY, then Masterson is still pitching for Sox. That was a good sign for Yanks.”

    Who disputes that?

    ———————————————————

    It’s not directed to anyone, I’m just having a conversation with myself.

  361. SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    With the rough start and all. Hughes can very well go 6 only giving up 2. Not bad for any starter.

  362. JM July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Phil is keeping his team in the game…..The bats have to wake up. Masterson looks tough.

  363. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    When Hughes is on his game he has no-hit stuff. I still think he can be a CC, Halladay type pitcher. Worse case he’ll be an AJ type.

  364. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Ghost,

    Didn’t mean to insult you in any way, if you fekt insulted please forgive me, it’s just that his act is very tiresome
    —————–

    No, no, not at all! Why would I feel insulted?

  365. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Sizemore. :mad:

  366. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    @#$!

  367. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Romero needs a diaper when he pitches against the Sox

  368. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    One of those nights.

  369. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Swisher was robbed. Nice play by Sizemore.

  370. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    How annoying.

  371. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    I’m fine coming back from a litlle trip with the wife, and you?

    F!@## we have no luck tonight great catch right there

  372. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Looks like it’s gonna be that type of game for the Yankee batters

  373. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Swisher was robbed twice now.

  374. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Crap….

  375. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    6 innings, 2 runs? You sign up for that any time…………Phil is a work in progress, that’s to be sure………not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  376. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Posada just being a statue as usual.

  377. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Good play, but not as good as Kay made it seem.

  378. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    This is a joke that they are being shut down by this guy

  379. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    “Would people eat their words willingly if Phil manages to throw up 6 innings of 2 run ball?”

    That would require some thoughtful reflection, so…
    ——————-

    Most of them appear to have left, which is good enough for me.

  380. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    “Blake, slider and split? He probably won’t have a long career with those pitches.”

    i was half joking but why? Lincecum throws a split, so does Haren, so did Clemens. Clemens and Hughes have similar arm actions.

  381. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    SoS July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
    With the rough start and all. Hughes can very well go 6 only giving up 2. Not bad for any starter.
    ——
    at this pace he can go 8. But I’ll take 6

  382. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    it’s the arm angle that makes masterson so tough to hit

  383. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    If anything, Phil Hughes is good for LoHud business….Almost a games worth of hits already, down side they are mostly assine comments in nature

  384. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    That’s the approach Martin needs to take more often.

  385. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    we need to get masterson out of the game.

  386. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I just got back from a nice trip on Monday. I finally got to see Citifield–nice park.

  387. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Who cares if a slider/split could hurt Hughes arm? The goal is to get a good pitcher, not an average one that pitches for a long time. And there is never a guarantee that he would get injured from it, or not injured because he doesn’t throw it. A split/slider would probably compliment his fastball more.

    Hughes has yet to get a swinging fastball strike and has only 1 swinging strike on his curve today. Going forward he is going to need more. He is a power pitcher that should be striking people out. For a first major league game back its alright though.

  388. kd July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    folks, he had some rust. one bad inning and he’s been good since. you can’t expect mid season form. let’s try to keep some perspective

  389. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    “This is a joke that they are being shut down by this guy”

    not really….this isn’t some scrub….he’s pretty good.

  390. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Blake, I guess – how often do they throw it though? Is it really just their 3rd/4th pitch? With Phil, I think you imagine it to be more of a primary pitch………that would be hard on his arms. Roger also was very durable – except for those arm problems early in his career; Phil does not appear to be made that way.

  391. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    this ump is giving Masterson a lot of the corner pitches

  392. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Russell trying to do his Posada on the bases imitation. :(

  393. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Ugh Gardner.

  394. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Hughes only has two swinging strikes so far.

    He hasn’t given up a run since the first, but he needs to start missing some bats.

  395. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
    ————–

    Nice post.

  396. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Too bad Masterson has only thrown 73 pitches. They have to knock him out otherwise he is good for 7-8 innings.

  397. Carlos July 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Hughes needs to refine the pitches he’s throwing now.

    Adding another pitch won’t help.

  398. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Jerkface, ok, so we disagree…..and who’s to say that there is any guarantee that Phil would do any better with those pitches?

    One swinging strike on his FB ? That’s not exactly encouraging…………

  399. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Lincecum throws his a lot….he calls it a change up but it’s a split grip…..as JF said, he just needs a pitch he can miss bats with. It’s his first game back though

  400. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Is it true that the food is a lot better than YS??

  401. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Face

    Right.

    And it’s not like he is some super healthy pitcher anyway.

  402. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Feels to me like there is a better chance toronto wins tonight than we do. Game has been frustrating thus far.

    Strikeout that scores a run
    Posada whiffing when an out plates a run for us
    Laporta with a nice place on a swisher double
    Sizemore with a nice play on a swisher double

  403. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    I finally got to see Citifield–nice park.

    ———————————————-

    Isn’t it? I went for the first time as well. People talk about PNC and ATT in SF being special. Safeco as well. Citifield is up there IMO. It’s the location that brings it down a notch.

  404. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Ervin Santana, Edwin Jackson, Bud Norris, Michael Pineda, Bumgarner, Ogando, Lowe, lewis, Nolasco, Carpenter, Hanson, Zimmerman, Latos, Kershaw, Sabathia, Garcia, Garza, Anibal Sanchez, Kuroda all throw a slider 20%+ The first 5 guys throw them 30%+

    Lincecum throws his splitchange 23% of the time.

  405. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Hughes’s primary pitch is always going to be the fastball….it’s what he gets ahead with and he’s gotten ahead with it a lot tonight. He just needs something to either get that 3rd strike or to initiate weak contact with.

  406. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    By that I mean, his stuff can’t be that good if he’s not missing any bats…….his velocity is better, but where’s the life on his FB? It seems to still be missing

  407. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    that was a strike earlier for masterson

  408. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    “and who’s to say that there is any guarantee that Phil would do any better with those pitches?”

    It’s about keeping arm speed the same for every type of pitch. It’s easier with a fastball, slider, split combo.

  409. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    He can keep his curveball if he can get a league average swinging strike% on it. He doesn’t, so he needs to improve it or change it.

  410. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    benshpigel: Hughes according to pitch f/x data a) yet to generate swing/miss on FB and b) his avg FB velo has diminished every inning

  411. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose…………but I don’t see the Yankees going down that path

  412. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    I would think that Phil could regain the slider pretty quickly.

  413. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    How many times have they shown the replay of Asdrubal getting hurt?

  414. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    It’s not directed to anyone, I’m just having a conversation with myself.
    ++++++++++
    Did you agree?

  415. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    The truth of the matter is, on a really good pitching staff, hughes is a #4 or #5 starter. Fortunately, given the emergence of Colon and Garcia, that’s all we really need of Hughes right now.

  416. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Most pitchers see their velocity decrease as the innings go by……..Phil is not unusual.

    He’s also got an odd motion – that short-arming way he has of delivering the ball doesn’t look that smooth.

  417. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    K

  418. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    That was a pretty good cutter to Hafner there but it’s such a dangerous pitch if he doesn’t get it all the way in…..

  419. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Hafner looked like he was going to rage on the ump there.

  420. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Beautiful back door cutter for the k.

  421. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    They had a lot of choices. I thought that the food was good, but not particularly better than at YS. But they did have Brooklyn Lager at Citifield, and I don’t recall it being sold at YS.

  422. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Phil said once that he tried to throw the slider again after the Yankees gave him permission – and it wasn’t there for him at all.

  423. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Let’s keep in mind this is his first start in over 2 months…I do think he should have thrown a AAA game before the callup, but the club says Hughes your in the rotation….I think he’s looking good now and is getting stronger as the game moves forward

  424. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Hughes is throwing 25% cutters

  425. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Finally got a call for Hughes

  426. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Cutter on the black away….those were the best 2 cutters he’s thrown tonight. Threw one in a great spot under his hands and then a nice one on the black outside.

  427. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Beautiful back door cutter for the k.

    It was in the other batters box, but good on Hughes for taking advantage of a bad umpire.

  428. RS July 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    I think Carlos Pena is the most productive .220 hitter in baseball. Just saying

  429. randy l. July 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    “Who cares if a slider/split could hurt Hughes arm? The goal is to get a good pitcher, not an average one that pitches for a long time.”

    so you would burn a pitcher’s long career for a few good years ?typical management stooge.

    the problem with this thinking is the player makes the final decision. if he wants to pitch in a way to get 15 average years instead of three above average ones, that would be his choice not management’s.

  430. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    hughes might be tiring a bit…

  431. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Phil said once that he tried to throw the slider again after the Yankees gave him permission – and it wasn’t there for him at all.

    He went to it in 08 but it was just a cement mixer. He used it to steal strike 1, but it wasn’t legit.

  432. Triple Short of a Cycle July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    They have Blue Smoke and Shake Shack

  433. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Those 4 high and wide to santana look to me like a tired pitcher.

  434. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    A doubleplay ball would be nice here.

  435. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Hughes has only maxed out a 93

  436. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Hughes could be getting tired

  437. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    he’s starting to get tired.

  438. RMS July 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Worse case he’ll be an AJ type.

    —————————————————————————–
    Hughes will never be a head case with no heart like AJ.

  439. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Definitely tired.

  440. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Nice breaking ball

  441. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Arm is dragging…..gotta be careful here because the game is still well within reach and Hughes is getting tired.

  442. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Jerkface, so the point stands – that pitch isn’t just available to him whenever he wants it. Same with the curve…….The curve was taught to him in the Yankees’ system – maybe it just doesn’t come naturally to him.

  443. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Ayala up? Jeez.

  444. djsunyc July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    i like citifield alot – they’re out of town scoreboard is fantastic as well. they just need to bring those fences in – you play in the NL where the pitcher bats…why hurt offense more with those crazy dimensions?

  445. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Hughes has only maxed out a 93

    ***********

    That’s very good.

  446. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    IS this the longest Hughes has gone this season so far? I remember him going 4.1 one time

  447. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    That was a good slow curveball. They just have to figure out what pitches work for him and which don’t.

  448. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    RMS – as it looks right now, if someone asked him the following he’d have to think about it:

    “You can have aj burnetts career or u can have the career trajectory ur currently on and see where it goes”.

  449. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    He hasn’t generated a swing n miss. Thats a HUGE problem

  450. djsunyc July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    curious to see phil 3 or 4 starts from now. if he can’t keep his velocity up late in games, then he might be best served as a reliever for us for the postseason…

  451. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    How many pitches for Phil so far?

  452. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    so you would burn a pitcher’s long career for a few good years ?typical management stooge.

    the problem with this thinking is the player makes the final decision. if he wants to pitch in a way to get 15 average years instead of three above average ones, that would be his choice not management’s.

    Randy, you of all people should know the benefit of an out pitch. You should also know that players will take risks to improve their performance. Not many athletes that make it to the majors are satisfied with mediocrity. If Hughes doesn’t want to change his secondary pitch that is fine, but he isn’t going to be a Yankee for the rest of his career if that is the case. He can tighten up his curve, or use a split, or go back to the slider, whatever. He just needs to get a pitch that can get swinging strikes.

  453. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    It’s nice having Cone in the booth. Kind of balances what I’m reading here. :)

  454. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    I would agree that Hughes needs another pitch, if he is to become a true horse of the rotation, but have to be happy of the way he adjusted to the indians batters after that first inning, even if he only gives us five innings tonight.

  455. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    That’s very good.

    ———-

    Not for Hughes. He usually is able to get it up to 94 and occasionally 95.

    His fastball velo is still down.

  456. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    RMS July 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
    Worse case he’ll be an AJ type.

    —————————————————————————–
    Hughes will never be a head case with no heart like AJ
    ———————————

    I meant in terms of his record.

  457. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    He hasn’t generated a swing n miss. Thats a HUGE problem

    ************

    No it’s not. It’s his first start in a long while. He looks good.

  458. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    I’ll never forget when this dbag orlando cabrera homered in game 7 of 04 and stuck a knife in his back while rounding first for the crowd to see. Seeing him get drilled there makes me happy.

  459. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Take him out.

    This is the game.

  460. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Just hit Cabrera with his 85th pitch. Let’s get out of this, Phil.

  461. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    This should be his last batter

  462. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    He’s also got an odd motion – that short-arming way he has of delivering the ball doesn’t look that smooth.
    _______
    You just put your finger on why I have always felt uneasy about Hughes’ long-term value. I hate that arm motion…reminds me of Andy Hawkins…I just don’t have faith in it…

  463. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    93 is fine. The problem was when he was throwing 88. Stop expecting too much too soon.

  464. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    He is still at 92, so same as last outing as far as velo late. At 86 pitches, last time went 88.

  465. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    I would love to see Hughes come out, and throw a clean innning in the sixth. However, I suspect that his night is done. Here’s hoping that the guys can reward Phil with a few runs and the “W”: He pitched a good (not great) game for his first outing off the DL.

  466. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Excellent curve to get out of it.

  467. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    I think 85 Betsy

  468. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    good job by phill.. 5 innings of two run ball.. cant ask more for a pitcher that’s missed three months.

  469. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    93 is fine. The problem was when he was throwing 88. Stop expecting too much too soon.

    —————

    Too much too soon?

    Velocity should not be an issue for him, but it still is.

  470. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    But good for Phil…hope this gives him confidence for going forward.

  471. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Phil shaved nearly 3 full runs of his ERA, and that’s with 2 ER today.

    Let’s steal the momentum here.

  472. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    88 Betsy

  473. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Hughes held his velocity into an 80 pitch count, its not at his max but its ok. He didn’t get a swinging strike with his fastball which isn’t great, but that will only be a problem if it a persists.

  474. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    He only had 3 rehab starts – just not enough. I had mentioned a few days ago that the scouts that saw him last out felt he needed another start or two.

    Phil has never been able to maintain velocity – he’s always started losing a mile or two from the 3rd inning on

  475. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Good job. Now batting practice Ayala should start the 6th. It would be nice to not use him but the bullpen is still short with Mo not available.

  476. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Nice job there working out. He’s done though for the night I think. Pretty good first outing back….the stuff was much better than earlier in the year….hopefully will be more crisp and have better command in the next turn.

  477. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I want one more inning from Hughes. Go batter to batter.

  478. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Velocity should not be an issue for him, but it still is.

    ************

    No it’s not an issue. It is to you.

  479. randy l. July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    jerkface-

    i have an idea.

    how about hughes developing a secondary swing and miss pitch that doesn’t shorten his career ?

  480. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Pitches into and out off trouble……..m, David Cone must be watching a different game than ……I think he’s done a very good job considering he’s thrown what 14 innings before tonight since late April…..Really guys

  481. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Nice getting out of that inning, but gotta say with the way some of those balls were hit & if not for some great defense, this could be a lot worse. But we’re only down by 2.

  482. RMS July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    RMS – as it looks right now, if someone asked him the following he’d have to think about it:

    “You can have aj burnetts career or u can have the career trajectory ur currently on and see where it goes”.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    With all the talk about his great stuff, AJ is basically a .500 pitcher. He had 1 career year in his walk year.
    Hughes will be better than AJ.

  483. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I don’t think he should come out for the 6th. Forget the pitch count – he has not had an easy go of it. 86 pitches free and easy is one thing, but this outing wasn’t that

  484. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    We are coming back on this one

  485. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    93 is fine. The problem was when he was throwing 88. Stop expecting too much too soon.

    —————–

    So you think it’s ok that a 25 year old pitcher is still down a full MPH on his fastball?

    Last year he average 92.5 and was maxing out at either 94 or 95 in every start. Tonight he averaged 91.5 and maxed out at 93.

  486. RS July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    On the plus side, isn’t being down 2 runs one of those situations where Ayala actually pitches well?

  487. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I don’t think Phil’s arm strength is at 100%, at least I hope it’s not.

  488. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Bojo, and I always read about what great mechanics he had. I just don’t love that motion – he’s almost got a little hitch in there before he actually throws the ball. Andy Hawkins? I only remember him being brutal – don’t recall how he threw the ball, lol

  489. kd July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    pat m,

    you like what you see from phil? something to build on?

  490. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    how about hughes developing a secondary swing and miss pitch that doesn’t shorten his career ?

    I said that is fine, where did I say it wasn’t? I think something harder would serve him better, since his power pitcher routine isn’t being helped by a slow curve. I wish he’d go to the AA curve that was scouted at 82 mph and 1-7 in movement.

  491. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    93 is fine. The problem was when he was throwing 88. Stop expecting too much too soon.

    —————–

    So you think it’s ok that a 25 year old pitcher is still down a full MPH on his fastball?

    Last year he average 92.5 and was maxing out at either 94 or 95 in every start. Tonight he averaged 91.5 and maxed out at 93.
    ———————-

    It’s essentially spring training for him. What do you expect?

  492. blake July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Good AB Jeter….tough one to lay off.

  493. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Come on give Hughes a no decision at least

  494. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    great ab by jeter… he tried to get jetes with the pitch he struck him out with in the first.

  495. luis July 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Great at bat there from Jeter he laid of from that tough sinker in

  496. RS July 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    great AB by Jeter, especially getting the pitch count up. Try to scratch out one run here. Getting a HR off Masterson is probably a tall order

  497. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Yay, walk.

  498. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Last year he average 92.5 and was maxing out at either 94 or 95 in every start. Tonight he averaged 91.5 and maxed out at 93.

    **********

    Yes, I think that’s fine for a pitcher that had shoulder inflammation problems and who is making his first start in a long while.

    It’s all about command, not velocity.

  499. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Bojo,

    I can’t believe that you remembered AH. :lol: Talk about a name I was trying to forget!

  500. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    The way Hughes pitched tonight will be really concerning if it continues.

    Right now you just have to hope it is rust, but his stuff tonight is not going to cut it.

  501. djsunyc July 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    over his career, if managers pulled aj at the first sign of trouble in the 5th or 6th innings of games, how many games over .500 would he be?

  502. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    What did Cone say? Obviously not impressed from what I gather.

    LGY, 93 seems ok to me given that he’s only had 3 rehab starts. Cash said he was explosive last out – he wasn’t tonight. Of course he’s facing far greater hitters.

  503. Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
    93 is fine. The problem was when he was throwing 88. Stop expecting too much too soon.

    —————–

    So you think it’s ok that a 25 year old pitcher is still down a full MPH on his fastball?

    Last year he average 92.5 and was maxing out at either 94 or 95 in every start. Tonight he averaged 91.5 and maxed out at 93.

    ——————————————————

    What Hughes is going through is not uncommon for a lot of young pitchers. It’s the so-called year after effect.

  504. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    The scouts were split on whether Hughes needed another start. You yourself posted that.

    The Yankees knew they weren’t going to get 8 innings out of Hughes.

    If he can hold it to 2 ER and wake up feeling good tomorrow, then he did good. It’s not his fault we can’t get a rally against Masterson.

  505. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    come on…just poke it over the fence.

  506. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Man, he smoked it, and nothing.

  507. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I definitely wouldn’t let Hughes start the 6th inning. He hit 2 batters and walked a batter on 4 pitches..he is done.

  508. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    There are countless examples of pitchers struggling after their breakout years. Just look at Verlander.

  509. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    It’s essentially spring training for him. What do you expect?

    —————–

    His velocity was fine last year in his first start.

    I really didn’t think the Yankees were going to take Hughes off the DL until his velocity was fully back.

  510. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    M, that’s true……..

    I kind of agree with LGY about this, though – it’s ok for a first start, but no swings and misses basically tells me his FB is not quite ready for primetime……….and obviously we know about his curve.

  511. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I kind of want to send Phil back out to get a chance at the win. However, I think that he must be done for the night. He’ll have to settle for the moral victory.

  512. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Masterson dominating.

  513. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I thought the food at Citi was great. Apparently Danny Meyer’s a big Met fan and he hooked them up. Lot’s of high end stuff with decent pricing. I wanted to eat a lot more than I did but I wanted to go to downtown Flushing after.

  514. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Win or lose–Girardi and true fans have to be very happy with tonight. Hughes probably will gain a tick or 3 on his FB in the coming games, but he has shown he is healthy. Give Larry and Russell time to work with him, and they’ll figure out how to help him improve even more.

    But also we have to tip out caps to Masterson. He is becoming an Ace.

  515. m July 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Hughes is back on the horse. That can’t be discounted. That’s important to his development, too.

  516. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    LGY, they rushed him……..I firmly believe that.

    As to velocity, sure he would hit 94 early in games, but he never came close to sitting that – and he didn’t hit 95 THAT often. He’s really a guy that mostly throws 91-93………so the velocity is ok, but not the lack of life on it.

  517. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    LGY July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    It’s essentially spring training for him. What do you expect?

    —————–

    His velocity was fine last year in his first start.

    I really didn’t think the Yankees were going to take Hughes off the DL until his velocity was fully back.
    ———————-

    Fair enough. I personally would not have rushed it myself. I would have waited a couple more weeks… Still, he looked a lot better than he did in April.

  518. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    ……….and obviously we know about his curve.

    **********

    He threw some very good curve balls tonight, it had good sharper break to it.

  519. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
    Bojo,

    I can’t believe that you remembered AH. Talk about a name I was trying to forget!
    ___
    Yeah…me too….but truly, doesn’t that motion bring back nightmares?

  520. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    He threw some very good curve balls tonight, it had good sharper break to it.

    It was 74 mph with like 15 inches of break. The definition of a slow breaking ball. It pretty much wasn’t very good.

  521. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    I would have gone with one more inning, but I’m sure he wanted Phil to leave on a good note. And he definitely was tiring.

  522. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Glad he didn’t come out for the 6th…………

  523. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    So Hughes’ next start will be in 12 days?

  524. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Crap.. We can’t give up any more runs if we want to win this one.

  525. RSM July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    “There are countless examples of pitchers struggling after their breakout years. Just look at Verlander.”

    Cole Hamels is another example.
    I’ve always called it the Sophomore Slump.

  526. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Kearns is really annoying me. I am glad he picked this series to remember how to hit major league pitching. It’s obvious that the strike out artist wants revenge for being released.

  527. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    It was 74 mph with like 15 inches of break. The definition of a slow breaking ball. It pretty much wasn’t very good.

    *******************

    You’re wrong. Oh, by the way David Cone just agreed with my assessment.

  528. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    I don’t see the benefit of pushing him for the 6th when he was clearly gassed and didn’t have great stuff to begin with………

  529. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    kd….Considering how much pitching he’s done since the late days of April the Yanks are quite pleased…….Maybe no the LoHuders or some of the media but it really doesn’t matter what they think does it ????/

  530. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Krusty’s a convert? We’ll see what he says the next time we play on ESPN.

  531. kd July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    here’s where we miss joba. the drop off from the way he was throwing to alaya is huge

  532. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Igotid, the earliest I think he can pitch is 8 days from now. I don’t think that will do him any good – he’s usually not very good on extra long rest.

  533. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    My 530 posts and it’s only the 6th inning……

  534. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    I’m hoping this is just rust for Hughes. I’m also thinking they rushed him.

    The outs he got were hard hit balls at people in the outfield. He didn’t get a lot of weak swings.

  535. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    I don’t see the benefit of pushing him for the 6th when he was clearly gassed and didn’t have great stuff to begin with………
    ————————

    Nolan Ryan would have him go back out there.

  536. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    You’re wrong. Oh, by the way David Cone just agreed with my assessment.

    Sharp implies rapid change. His avg curve was 74 mph. He got 1 swinging strike on it all game. It wasn’t sharp or quality. He couldn’t freeze batters for a strike out, and even in pitchers counts guys were putting it in play hard.

    I could careless what David Cone said on a highlight that is supposed to be pumping up Hughes. He got a AAA batter out on a curve away, and he was still able to wait back on it and take it the other way.

    When he is getting 14-20% swinging strikes out on it like Beckett and Wainwright, and getting a 60% strike rate, then we can talk about how great it is.

  537. qiantom July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    If they think Hughes is done after 87 pitches, why bring him up? Let him pitch one more game in the minors.

  538. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    Igotid, the earliest I think he can pitch is 8 days from now. I don’t think that will do him any good – he’s usually not very good on extra long rest.
    ____________
    They’ll probably have him throw simulated games in that time…chance to work with Rothschild on two-strike strategy. Perhaps refine that curve if needed.

  539. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Igotid, I don’t mean this to be nasty, but I don’t care what Nolan Ryan would do. He was a freak of nature – and his theories have yet to be proven right (or wrong). Phil didn’t have all that much tonight and had to work very hard just to get through 5 with 2 runs allowed – why push him?

  540. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    I don’t see the benefit of pushing him for the 6th when he was clearly gassed and didn’t have great stuff to begin with………
    ————————

    Nolan Ryan would have him go back out there.
    ===================

    Let’s give it a couple of years before we follow Ryan’s lead. I still remember how Billy Martin burnt out that pitching staff in Oakland through overuse.

  541. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    Igotid, the earliest I think he can pitch is 8 days from now. I don’t think that will do him any good – he’s usually not very good on extra long rest.
    —————————————–

    I would hope gets he 2nd start back. I would also like him to get an inning or 2 of relief on Sunday. Just to keep him fresh for the reason you stated about the long rest.

  542. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Ha! Great read by Kearns.

  543. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    qiantom July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
    If they think Hughes is done after 87 pitches, why bring him up? Let him pitch one more game in the minors.
    ___
    Again, so he can work with Rothschild…more important than pitching in SWB

  544. kd July 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    gardner’s throw would have had him

  545. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Respecting Gritner’s arm.

  546. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Gardner is the best LF in MLB.

  547. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Not letting Hughes pitch the 6th was a good idea. Phil was done. He hit 2 batter & walked another on 4 pitches. They may not have scored, but the pitch were hard hit, just at someone. It could have gotten ugly.

  548. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Defensively…

  549. Betsy July 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Igotid, perhaps we’ll see that…..I wouldn’t mind that.

  550. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    qiantom July 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
    If they think Hughes is done after 87 pitches, why bring him up? Let him pitch one more game in the minors.
    ___
    Again, so he can work with Rothschild…more important than pitching in SWB
    ================

    And folks were probably swinging at that curveball of his at SWB. He did need Major League competition to shake off the rust. However, tonight convinced me that they should have waited another couple of weeks. the ASB should help.

  551. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Arod needs to show Logan his bank statement here.

  552. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    it’s pretty pathetic that the indians just stand there and take the HBP without even making an effort to move….

  553. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    lets play a game called hit the batter…

  554. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Purpose pitch? Hafner had great numbers against Boone….

  555. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Hello?! Is the next guy a righty? Logan’s tougher on righties anyway.

  556. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    That’s twice the Indian batters didn’t move on a hbp

  557. Phranchise July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    5 innings 2 runs in first game back against MLB hitters. It’s a starting point. The key issue was seeing his arm healthy which looked good. The movement on the fastball will come. His offspeed pitch really needs to be scraped. It just gets smoked. The curve looked good and tighter. As good as an offspeed. The cutter has left a bit since it was used in the pen. He used to throw a slider but doesn’t anymore. Get the cutter back which is a diffferent look on the fastball and that is three solid pitches as the cutter velocity is 88-90 91-93 on fastballs mid 70s curve.

  558. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    We get out of this its a big momentum change

  559. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Come on, Boooooooooooooooooooone

  560. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Logan way off tonight.

  561. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    arod!!!!!!!!!

  562. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    A-rod saved Boone’s bacon.

  563. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    A-Rod!!!!

  564. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    It’s embarrassing that Cashman doesn’t have another lefty here.

  565. Phranchise July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    AROD!!!!!

  566. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Un frreakin’ believable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  567. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Yess!!! AROD!!!!

  568. luis July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Arod!!!!

  569. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Boone will say it was a weak grounder to his grand kids…

  570. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Alex has been amazing in the field this season.

  571. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I would’ve taken a tired out Hughes over Ayala and boone

  572. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Jesus Christ, my heart stopped on that sloooow throw.

    Let’s get Phil off the hook, and get the win.

  573. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Great play by Arod! could be a game saver. Come on bats!!

  574. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    And people talk about moving A-Rod to DH. SMH

  575. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Boone will say it was a weak grounder to his grand kids…

    :lol:

  576. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Alex is winning a Gold Glove this season !

    Maybe not but it would be cool.

  577. Phranchise July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Embarassing Cashman doesn’t have another lefty? They signed Feliciano who won’t pitch, Marte out, every lefty they pick up goes down. How many teams have multiple lefties out of the pen? Plus Robertson typically wasn’t pitching the eigth and gets lefties just fine. They can always bullpen Manny at the end of the year if things don’t improve.

  578. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Masterson probably has 1 to 2 more innings left in his arm…This will be a tough one to come back on.

  579. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Phranchise July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Embarassing Cashman doesn’t have another lefty? They signed Feliciano who won’t pitch, Marte out, every lefty they pick up goes down. How many teams have multiple lefties out of the pen?
    ============
    NIce post.

  580. seconds July 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Home Run Powers -> Activate!

  581. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    “Embarassing Cashman doesn’t have another lefty?”

    Not really, good ones aren’t worth the price.

  582. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Alex is winning a Gold Glove this season !

    —————-

    He’s looked great this year.

  583. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Offense just isn’t there tonight. Cano quick first out. There’s a reason the team is hitting like .255

  584. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    It seems like Ayala and Logan take turns cleaning up each other’s messes and that’s the main reason they both have such low ERA’s

  585. luis July 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    have to get this masterson of the game

  586. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    I’d pitch run for Jorge here…stay out of DP..Nunez?

  587. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    What does it take to get one out of here

  588. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    dammit.. it sounded good off the bat.

  589. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    I’d pitch run for Jorge here…stay out of DP..Nunez?
    —————

    No we’ll still have another shot at it. It’s still too early to burn him.

  590. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    They have been hitting the ball pretty hard the last few innings and have nothing to show for it.

  591. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    It seems like Ayala and Logan take turns cleaning up each other’s messes and that’s the main reason they both have such low ERA’s

    Neither is trust worthy, which is why they have the lowest leverage index on the team

  592. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    BTW it was Swisher on first.

  593. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    i officially hate masterson..

  594. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Martin just kills them offensively.

  595. qiantom July 6th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Nova has a chance to be as good as Materson. Hughes is done.

  596. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Gardy leads off next inning. They’ll break through for a couple of runs off Masterson.

  597. luis July 6th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Somebody has to pick a fight with masterson to see if he gets ejected

  598. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    I think Masterson coming out for 8th too…typically has been going 100- 120 pitches per game.

  599. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    BTW it was Swisher on first.
    ____
    I know-I was jokingly saying we shouldn’t let Po run at all.

  600. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    I do have a good feeling about Gardner starting off the 8th though.

  601. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Yanks are still a bloop and a blast from tying this game

  602. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Hughes had an okay night if you go by the 2 runs. The arm strength is not all the way back. (will it ever be ?) Curve is too slow, command is still not there. Very few swing & misses. FB is straight. As much as he talked with confidence coming back, I really don’t think he is a “confident” pitcher. JMO, nothing else.

    On the other hand, Masterson looks quite good, and has pitched better than his record this yr.

  603. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    You just can’t do that and be relied on.

  604. m July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    :mad:

  605. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Martin just makes the defense so much better not to mention the pitching staff and that’s what wins games, now and in October

  606. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    That could be the game right there.

  607. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    well now a bloop, bloop and a blast

  608. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    NNOOOOOOOOGAN!

  609. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Pat

    Are you his agent? ;)

  610. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Logan sucks so much.

  611. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Martin just makes the defense so much better not to mention the pitching staff and that’s what wins games, now and in October

    —–

    Agreed

  612. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    “well now a bloop, bloop and a blast”

    sounds like an easy enough formula with Gardner, Jeter, and Granderson coming up next inning

  613. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Does Martin deserve credit for CC, Colon, or Garcia? I don’t think so.

    He’s a good part-time catcher unless he hits at least a little.

  614. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Martin just makes the defense so much better not to mention the pitching staff and that’s what wins games, now and in October

    One of the 3 indian runs was on a passed ball that Martin didn’t block :|

  615. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    The experience!

  616. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    I wouldn’t rule out Mitre being better than Ayala or Logan.

  617. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    You’re wrong. Oh, by the way David Cone just agreed with my assessment.

    ***************

    I could careless what David Cone said.

    *********

    LMAO!!!!!! You are really funny sometimes.

  618. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    “The Yankees have placed catcher Jesus Montero on the disabled list with that stiff back. This is a bit of a surprising move, considering Montero himself thought he’d be ready to play by the weekend.”

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=10899

  619. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Rich in NJ…..I got him the Yankee gig

  620. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    WTF is up with that?

  621. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    More trolling.

  622. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Can they sell the AJ-Martin combo to another team?

  623. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    My 9:32 comment was directed at yfeminista’s post.

    Pat

    I think he can help a lot in a reduced role.

  624. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    WTG, Derek!

  625. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Wow!

    How shallow was Kearns playing?

  626. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Three to go….

  627. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    That might have been out in Yankee Stadium, good swing.

  628. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Yeah, Jete! Let’s score the run here.

  629. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Why not give Martin some of the credit for Garcia? His ERA is over a full run lower than last year, and his entire game is fooling hitters. Part of being able to do that is having a clever pitch sequence.

    Colon and CC are easy enough to catch, but really, every single pitcher except Soriano in his small sample size is pitching to at least their career average, if not better. Burnett and Nova have both improved their arsenal of pitches (Burnett with the change-up, Nova with the slider/change). I think the pitchers have a lot of confidence in Martin, which probably counts for something given how fragile they can be mentally.

  630. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Jeter seems to be driving the ball with more authority.

  631. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    We need more on the field mics.

  632. luis July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Here we come

  633. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Martin needs a rest and should get himself removed from ASG.

    Looks like it’ll take the longball to win this game.

  634. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Gardner didn’t hold up his end of the deal there. Jeter did…Now Grandy drives him in

  635. Nick in SF July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Woo hoo! That gets me one more draw in the $3,000/3,000th hit contest that I will surely probably win! :grin:

  636. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Burnett and Nova have both improved their arsenal of pitches (Burnett with the change-up, Nova with the slider/ change).

    ——–

    Nova only throws FB-CB

  637. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Wow…hell of a play by Cabrera.

  638. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Give credit to the Indians…their fielders have been placed perfectly all game

  639. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Yankees got robbed all game

  640. igotid88 July 6th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Why couldn’t you be a little faster Tex

  641. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Nova also throws a slider and changeup.

  642. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    call the police..weve been robbed

  643. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Damn. The Indians have played beautifully tonight. They deserve the win.

  644. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    “Why not give Martin some of the credit for Garcia? ERA is over a full run lower than last year”

    His K/9 is only slightly better. His BB/9 is virtually the same.

    So what’s Martin doing?

  645. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    “Nova only throws FB-CB”

    Not true. He had at least one start in Baltimore where he was throwing either a change-up or slider, I can’t remember which. Girardi has mentioned numerous times how he’s trying to incorporate that third pitch.

  646. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Nova also throws a slider and changeup.

    ————-

    He only throws the change 8% of the time and the slider like never.

    He throws FB-CB 90% of the time.

  647. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Nova also throws a slider and changeup.

    He has them but they aren’t a big part of his arsenal. 10% combined on those 2. 90% on the fastball-curve. Thats fine though, most pitchers throw a change 5% of the time while breaking it in.

  648. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Not true. He had at least one start in Baltimore where he was throwing either a change-up or slider, I can’t remember which. Girardi has mentioned numerous times how he’s trying to incorporate that third pitch.

    ——————–

    He may be trying, but he rarely if ever actually does it.

  649. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Why not give Martin some of the credit for Garcia?

    ———————

    I think that Cervelli has caught Garcia at least a couple of times this year, if not more.

  650. umbrelladoc July 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    With most shortstops, the Yankees would have 1st and 3rd with one out, down 3-1.

  651. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Sergio, no walks!

  652. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    why mitre…why??? why cant he come in a throw stirkes????? WHY???

  653. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    What happened to Noesi?

  654. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    The Yankees pitching staff is collectively overachieving by anyone’s standards. You can give credit to Rothschild or to the coincidence that 12 guys are all putting together solid seasons at the same time, but I don’t think it’s fair to say Martin has had zero effect whatsoever.

  655. Benny Blanco July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    i’ve literally had it up to my ears with mitre..he’s no good. why do the yankees keep brining this bum back????

  656. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Might as well get all the sh–tty play out of the way before the Rays come into NY.

  657. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    It will be nice to release mitre again. That’s always the silver lining in acquiring him, a day will come where I can rejoice in his release.

  658. Nick in SF July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    ESPN is noting that Asdrubel Cabrera is the MLB leader in Web Gems, which I think is still considered a non-traditional stat.

  659. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Mitre looks like he needs more work…

  660. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Sergio, no walks and no hits!!

  661. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    now he tried to lean into a pitch….

  662. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    What happened to Noesi?

    —————–

    He’s the mop up man to the mop up man.

    The backup mop up man.

  663. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    I thought Sergio would have been more of a long relief guy. Not ‘game is still close’ guy.

  664. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    ==================
    I think that Rothschild and Martin have done a terrific job this year with the pitching staff, no doubt about it.

  665. blake July 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Jeter has hit the ball really hard twice tonight and got some lift against a really tough pitcher for him…..he also took a good walk. Good to see.

    It would be awesome if Mitre could at least give them a shot in the 9th and not let in 5 more runs here.

  666. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    LGY, he throws both pitches. The change he doesn’t need to throw a lot. The slider he has thrown progressively more often. He threw both in the minors and had 4 pitches there. You may not realize it is a slider because FG/Brooks probably calls it a cutter.

  667. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    I would not use Noesi down by 3 runs with only 1 inning to play. He should be brought in if the pitcher lasts 5 innings and the Yankees are up

  668. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
    I thought Sergio would have been more of a long relief guy. Not ‘game is still close’ guy.

    You forget he has pictures of Girardi in a manila envelope….

  669. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I wish they would bring Romine up to BU. Cervelli is of little use, but I love his spirit.

    Martin is reverting back to recent past with Dodgers. Blocks balls really well, not throwing great, and now is not hitting.

  670. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    yankeefem,

    He only throws the slider, cutter, whatever it is called 2% of the time.

    Which is really disappointing, because in ST it looked like he could be a strikeout pitch. But, he has basically abandoned it.

  671. LockDown July 6th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I say we trade Mitre for Bryce Harper & then get him back by paying some cash. :P

  672. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    As good as our RP has been, the weak links of the bunch just take turns being lousy.

  673. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Damn. another walk.

  674. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    The Yankees need another quality reliever soon. This group cannot wait to see if Soriano has anything left in that elbow this season.
    Also bring in a power corner OF, Cash.

  675. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Eh, say what u will about keeping this game at 3 but the truth is, we’re not getting any breaks on offense and it hasn’t felt like our night since the 2nd inning.

  676. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Nice 2-0 pitch.

  677. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Mitre is 5, maybe 6 new quality pitches in his arsenal from being a solid middle reliever.

  678. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    I wouldn’t really care about this game if Burnett didn’t blow the first game of the series.

    But with the Yankees down and Romero sucking ass against the Sox, this game is really annoying me.

  679. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    3 walks. F#C%!!!!

  680. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Wow…meat-tray really sucks like I remember.

  681. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    arlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Eh, say what u will about keeping this game at 3 but the truth is, we’re not getting any breaks on offense and it hasn’t felt like our night since the 2nd inning.
    ==========================

    That’s just about right !

  682. Chad Jennings July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    It’s a good thing Mitre is so popular or else people would probably be pretty frustrated with him right now!

  683. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    By pushing it out of a save situation the yankees will get to come back vs a lesser reliever. Mitre is a tactician.

  684. beedogs July 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I will be VERY surprised if Mitre isn’t released after this game.

  685. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    # Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Mitre is 5, maybe 6 new quality pitches in his arsenal from being a solid middle reliever.

    =====================

    Or 8 !

  686. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Noesi has thrown 10 pitches in the past week.

    He’s at his quota.

  687. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Yankees have given up this game!!

  688. kd July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    noeisi has to be a better option than this guy

  689. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Chad Jennings July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    It’s a good thing Mitre is so popular or else people would probably be pretty frustrated with him right now!
    ———–

    :lol: Good wone, Chad–I needed that!

  690. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    I know a lot of u would argue vehemently, but I have my reservations when it comes to calling Mitre a “true yankee”. I’m just not sure he’s earned it.

  691. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Noesi has thrown 10 pitches in the past week.

    Noesi is helping the team win. Somehow.

  692. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    don’t worry, well win this in the 9th….

  693. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Not a good inning for Joe’s favorite.

  694. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    The Yankee plan is to have Noesi’s arm disintegrate right before they trade him to the Mets for Beltran.

    Payback for Feliciano.

  695. Nick in SF July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Mitre Death Watch 4.50 could be in trouble if/when we see Sergio again. :evil:

  696. RS July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Suddenly the Yankees will be 1-3 in their last 4 games. This hot and cold offense is getting really annoying. What’s the point in scoring 10 runs a game for your ace, and shutting it down when other guys are on the mound?

    They need to split with TB at the very worst, and take 3 of 4 to end the first half on a good note.

  697. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    This is the pitcher that people wanted over Pendleton?

  698. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    don’t worry, well win this in the 9th….
    ——

    the law of averages says that some of these breaks have got to start going our way.

  699. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Noesi is helping the team win. Somehow.

    —————

    Maybe he has the intangible powers like Jeet.

  700. mick July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Cash is obsessed with garage sales.
    There is a reason Mitre was DFA’d

  701. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Mitre is a tactician
    —————————–
    Jerkface- LOL. Mitre is just plain Meat Tray, serving up his arsenal on a silver platter-no more,no less!!!

  702. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    This is the pitcher that people wanted over Pendleton?
    ___

    Would actually rather have Marte, Feliciano, Soriano and Joba…

  703. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    This is the pitcher that people wanted over Pendleton?
    ———

    He was good last year and had a solid ST. I think that he is worth taking a look at.

  704. I Am Winning July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Giving up 5 runs isn’t good by an stretch of the imagination, but if the offense would finally start scoring some runs we would be well ahead of the Red Sox.

    It’s odd how baseball works. CC needs the least amount of run support, yet he gets the most.

  705. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Suddenly the Yankees will be 1-3 in their last 4 games. This hot and cold offense is getting really annoying. What’s the point in scoring 10 runs a game for your ace, and shutting it down when other guys are on the mound?

    ——————

    They lost 2 of those games because Mo and AJ blew it.

  706. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    RS-

    Panic much?

  707. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Mitre – today’s eighth inning guy.

  708. mick July 6th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Will Arod ever homer again?

  709. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Cash is obsessed with garage sales.
    There is a reason Mitre was DFA’d

    __

    Worked with Colon and Garcia…

  710. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    I thought we were spared from ever seeing Mitre again. Hes awful. We don’t have better at Scranton? Hard to believe.

  711. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Good thing Sergio took us out of the game and rendered this rally meaningless.

  712. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    pendleton and mitre both suck.. the only absolute reason mitre can be on any team is for total mopup duty. asking him to get big outs is a farce………….

    hughes performance was not bad. the only problem was swings and misses.. not many swings and misses…..velocity was ok, 92 or 93 but hardly threw the high fastball and maybe 5 changeups…….

  713. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Hughes belongs in the pen. Nova should start. The pen needs the help. Seeing scrubs like mitre should be a wake up call

  714. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Yankees score 3 this inning and Hughes unfairly gets the loss and all Mitre gets is the scorn of this blog.

  715. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Does Mitre have the decency to begin packing now or does Joe have to waste his time telling him to do so?

  716. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Great job by the managers pet. It’s unfortunate that one bad inning by Noesi against the Reds put him in the dog house.

  717. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Pendleton has done a pretty good job for the few games he’s pitched. Mitre is pretty good….for the opposition batting averages.

  718. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I like Mitre as the last guy in the pen, better than Carlyle or Pendleton, but if he isn’t going to be used like it then its no good. Noesi should have been in the game in Mitre’s place.

  719. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Unbelievable that Swish only has one hit tonight.

    That should be his 3rd double of the night.

  720. Pat M. July 6th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    GB…..Meat tray does have great hair though……

  721. Jerkface July 6th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Pendleton has done a pretty good job for the few games he’s pitched.

    Pendleton walks more guys than he strikes out.

  722. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    No way do you put Hughes in the pen now…
    Remember Joba?

    Hughes needs to stay in the rotation and get back on track for the long term.

  723. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    make perez throw strikes. he can be wild…

  724. blake July 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I wish it were 3-1 right now :(

  725. Carlo July 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Nice to see some late fight. I’m sure it will fall short but I like the effort.

    “There’s a chance derek jeter can get another at bat, there’s a chance the yankees could come back”. thanks michael. I care about winning the game, but heck, if jeter gets hit 2998 that may get some people excited.

  726. mick July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Worked with Colon and Garcia…
    =====================
    It’s stop gap at best, will come back to bite you.
    Small sample size.

  727. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    I’m not as down on Mitre as some of you seem to be. However, it really does seem like a strange spot to take a look at a guy that was just DFA’d. I don’t understand that decision by Girardi.

  728. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Pendleton has done a pretty good job for the few games he’s pitched. Mitre is pretty good….for the opposition batting averages.

    —————

    What’s your deal with Pendleton?

    He sucks.

  729. umbrelladoc July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Brilliant tactics by Mitre. I think 2nd and 3rd, no out down 4 against Perez is better than down 3, bases empty.

  730. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    pendleton and mitre both are junk. pendleton throws 89, but his offspeed pitches are nothing.

    mitre throws 92 max but has terrible control

    they are 12th pitcher types……

    hughes will stay in the rotation and needs to build on this fair effort.

  731. blake July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    I liked the move to pick up Mitre but Cashman had to know that Giradi would probably have too much confidence in him and use him when he shouldn’t.

  732. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Yanks have to have a few “cheapies” in the pen to mop up because of all the high salaries.

    And do we ever pay the “price” for it !

  733. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Worked with Colon and Garcia…
    =====================
    It’s stop gap at best, will come back to bite you.
    Small sample size.

    ____

    That’s what going to the bargain basement is…. You don’t go there for a long term mainstay in a rotation..

  734. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Too bad the manager didn’t manage that inning like it was only 3-0. You would of thought it was 10-0 allowing garbage like Mitre to walk 3 batters and not take him out. Too bad this rally means nothing becuase of him.

  735. beedogs July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Game would be tied, if not for our OUTSTANDING BULLPEN.

  736. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    My Mitre Death Watch ceiling was vastly underestimated.

  737. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Shut me up, Martin.

  738. LGY July 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Game would be tied, if not for our OUTSTANDING BULLPEN.

    —————-

    Perez would have been in the game from the start if it was close.

  739. yankeefeminista July 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Come on, Brett.

  740. beedogs July 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    I wish they could give Mitre the L.

  741. Ghostwriter July 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Why not pindh-hit for Martin in that slot?

  742. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    “I liked the move to pick up Mitre but Cashman had to know that Giradi would probably have too much confidence in him and use him when he shouldn’t.”

    Confidence to use him, I get, blake, but the decision to keep him in when he had nothing is just nuts.

  743. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Yankees minus Mitre = tie game

  744. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    You would think Martin is a 40 homerun guy the way he swings for the fences in every at bat. I wonder what happened to that guy. He went from a .300 hitter to an automatic out.

  745. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Colon and Garcia actually have talent and were aces in their younger years. Mitre is the definition of mediocrity.

  746. Nilsson July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    There was a time in April when Martin looked like a beast.

    His game, offense specifically, has gone south. His OPS+ now is basically same as last years.

  747. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I hate you Sergio Mitre. Could of been a tied game, but no, he’s got to walk everyone in.

  748. ac1 July 6th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Yankees minus Mitre = tie game

    __

    doubtful.
    perez would have started the inning if it was 3-0

  749. Captain Clutch July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Game would be tied, if not for our OUTSTANDING BULLPEN.
    ——————

    Perez would of started the inning not the other guy if it was only 3-0. It would of been a totally different inning.

  750. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Gardner with a lousy game. Nice job Joe letting Mitre pitch tonight.

  751. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Brett reverting to previous unaggressive AB’s lately.

  752. 4 NYY July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Predictable Gardner ! Take

  753. Rich in NJ July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Gameday have that as a strike?

  754. BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    IMO Mitre needs more work to be effective. It is not easy to go long stretches without pitching, and then be sharp. He has shown me periods of effectiveness in past, and I prefer him over some of the other choices we have.

    Anyway, that’s the game. Tip your hat to Masterson.

  755. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    horrible game by gardner. did not get a ball out of the infield barely 1 to 2nd base.

    great get to hear michael kay and the chase for 3000 for a few more days.

    man he is a dope

  756. West Coast Yankee Fan July 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Gardner strikes out what a shocker. 0-4 and hitting .182 in his last 10 games.

  757. TheStraw July 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Clutch-

    “would have”

  758. mick July 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    You would think Martin is a 40 homerun guy the way he swings for the fences in every at bat. I wonder what happened to that guy.
    ======================
    What’s going to happen to Martin will be Montero.

  759. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    yep mitre with more work is the key. a 29 year old journeyman at best needs more consistent work. maybe they should pencil in serge as the 8th inning guy.

    girardi loves him for some unexplainable reason but the guy sucks.. milwaukee let him walk so gamel could dh 3 games that is all you need to know about the great mitre……..

  760. NYY fan in NH July 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    well a half game lead now and lost 3 out of last 4.

  761. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    doubtful.
    perez would have started the inning if it was 3-0

    ————————————————

    Not according to Mr. Spock. You can’t defy mathematics.

  762. umbrelladoc July 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Agreed, if Mitre had done his job, Perez would have been in the game. Still, Mitre should not be in close games. He’s the long man, extra innings, emergency starter guy.

  763. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Pendleton in his minimum time has an ERA just over 3 (5 runs in 14 innings). In 2 innings, Mitre has allowed 4 runs. Mitre has has 1 and a half seasons of decent and 4 and a half years of putrid. Yeah…he’s a keeper.

  764. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    When the Yankees are in a rain delay, do they show the BOS game on the JumboTron? No, they don’t – but apparently when BOS is in a rain delay, they put on the Yankees game. How pathetic is that?

  765. stuart a July 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    gardner still has a 30 point obp lead on the great derek and a 80 point higher slugging % then the great derek jeter.

    forgot to mention earlier the bloom is coming off the ayala rose. he is starting to revert to who he is and that is a journeyman relief pitcher who is wild………..

  766. lil m July 6th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Glad to see a little life in them in the 9th, too bad the bullpen couldn’t hold it at 2 or even 3. But at least this series is over and they’re coming back home. The loss on Monday was more disappointing than this one since they had that game won. Welcome back Phil and looking forward to the next start. Next stop: 3000 . . . and yes, Mitre has gorgeous hair ;)

  767. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Warren, Kontos, brackman give up all 7 runs in 7-5 loss against Buffalo. There is noone except Nova in AAA who can be counted on to produce in the majors.

    Trade for a reliever cashman.

  768. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    BoJo July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
    IMO Mitre needs more work to be effective. It is not easy to go long stretches without pitching, and then be sharp. He has shown me periods of effectiveness in past, and I prefer him over some of the other choices we have.

    Anyway, that’s the game. Tip your hat to Masterson.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    You’re kidding, right? He adds nothing to the team except a higher ERA Let him go to the independent leagues and work on it.

  769. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Kontos came in and gave up homers to the first two hitters he saw. Brackman, once again, gets the first 2 outs, then a walk, stolen base and a single for a run.

    Laird was the big bat with a 3-4 night with a double and 3 RBI.

  770. Ace July 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Thats a Mitre loss. Get him off this team

  771. WyoYankee July 6th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    I read lots of disparaging comments about Kennedy, Melancon etc….they then develop and get some experience and BAM they are gold. Mitre has had years to get better. Pendleton needs time and big league experience. I predict two years from now he will be blowing the likes of Mitre away.

  772. Don July 6th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Why do we have to see Mitre again? I thought he was gone for good.

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