Game 86: Yankees vs. Rays
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2011 
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Yankees lineup
1. Derek Jeter SS
2. Curtis Granderson CF
3. Mark Teixeira 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez 3B
5. Robinson Cano 2B
6. Nick Swisher RF
7. Jorge Posada DH
8. Russell Martin C
9. Brett Gardner LF
Bartolo Colon RHP
Rays lineup
1. Ben Zobrist 2B
2. Matt Joyce RF
3. Evan Longoria DH
4. Casey Kotchman 1B
5. B.J. Upton CF
6. John Jaso C
7. Sean Rodriguez 3B
8. Sam Fuld LF
9. Reid Brignac SS
Jeff Niemann RHP
TV/Time: YES/7:08
Umpires: Derryl Cousins HP, Jim Wolf 1B, Ron Kulpa 2B, Gary Cederstrom 3B
Weather: Mostly cloudy, 79 degrees
3,000 Watch: 2,997 and counting. Jeter is 5 for 9 with a walk lifetime vs. Niemann. No player has ever picked up his 3,000 hit against Tampa Bay. On Sept. 9, 2009, Jeter had three hits to tie Lou Gehrig’s franchise record of 2,721. All three hits came off Niemann.
Update, 7:16: One run in the first off Colon. Now Jeter’s first at-bat.
Update, 7:18: First pitch, lines a solid double to left-center. 2,998.
Update, 7:29: The Yankees strand Jeter at third and Teixeira at first.
Update, 7:48: Two outs, second and third, bottom of the second. Jeter’s turn.
Update, 7:49: Bouncer to third, side retired.
Update, 7:52: Zobrist solo shot to the right-center seats. It’s 2-0 in the third.
Update, 7:55: I know we’re all on Jeter watch, but the Colon watch has been hard on the eyes so far. B.J. Upton delivers an RBI single, and it’s 3-0.
Update, 8:06: It’s still 3-0 after three.
Update, 8:16: Colon has given up seven hits and four walks but somehow only three runs in his four innings.
Update, 8:27: Make that five runs. Upton sends a two-run shot to the left-field seats in the fifth.
Update, 8:37: Jeter is robbed of hit by Sean Rodriguez, who went down for a backhand stop by third and got up and threw The Captain out here in the fifth.
Update, 8:45: Colon is done with two outs and a man on first in the sixth. This was just his third bad start out of 12. Hector Noesi will take the ball.
Update, 8:48: Martin throws out Zobrist stealing to end the inning.
Update, 8:57: Cano a shot to the bleachers in right-center. Homer No. 15. It’s 5-1 in the sixth.
Update, 9:12: Jeter’s next at-bat is here after Gardner’s two-out single in the seventh.
Update, 9:17: Bouncer to short. Tonight doesn’t look like the night. 5-1, end of seven.
Update, 9:31: Niemann is out after 7 1-3 strong innings. Juan Cruz is in, one out, Mark Teixeira on first.
Update, 9:38: 5-1, end of eighth. The Yankees will have to go through five batters before Jeter is due up.
Update, 9:56: Kyle Farnsworth is on to try to close it out.
Update, 10:06: Jeter one more chance with runners at the corners and two outs.
Update, 10:09: Jeter bounces softly to third. Yankees lose, 5-1.
Rare tex miscue
i love Nick Swisher but he is not a good RF at all…wowzers that shoulda been held to a single…not a triple….maybe roll call is too distracting for these players
Go Colon. Go Yanks.
How about some jokes to liven this place up ! Go Yankees ! Bury the fishy’s.
Get Mitre up!
Bojo, we’re DOOMED!
Good Bojo is here to liven this place up. Go Yankees !
It’s amazing how Tampa always finds these scrubs to get career years out of them.
Colons era is 2.88, insane how well he’s pitched. Throwing Darts all day
I like those new lineup introductions.
2to go. Jeter!!!
yay Jeter
can’t wait to see him get to 3,000
Ok, what was up with the talking player intros?
And why couldn’t Swisher stop bebopping and scating????
If Jeter keeps doing that he can bat leadoff all he wants
Sweet Jeet!
Nice…now only 2 Jeterian hits away
I thought Derek hit all his balls on the ground.
I like pull power Jeter
Now let’s get this run in
Hitting the ball hard as of late……
Joe Madden is the kookiest manager ever
I love how Maddon thinks he is a genius
isnt tex tired of the super shift???
That is the stupiest shift i have ever seen.
hopefully the calf was the issue. he seems to be looking like the jeterian recently
I would love to trade Joe’s, Madden for Girardi. Go Yankees !
And then they walk him. Maddon is an idiot.
Maddon need a haircut, among other things.
And no, I do not need to be told that Maddon has forgotten more about hair styling than I will learn in a 100 lifetimes.
It’s really crazy to think that Granderson has 12 more HR than ARod, and we’re not even at the all-star break, and ARod hasn’t been on the DL or anything
Disappointing
lets play a game called strand DJ!
what the hell is with this team that they score a run from 3rd and less than 2 outs
It was obvious that the pitcher wanted to go after Arod and not Tex. The game plan is obviously to go up and in on these guys to make them uncomfortable. A little too close but nothing Maddon does surprises me, very unclassy guy.
RS July 7th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Power outage ? ? Call Con Edison ? ?
Captain Clutch July 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It was obvious that the pitcher wanted to go after Arod and not Tex. The game plan is obviously to go up and in on these guys to make them uncomfortable. A little too close but nothing Maddon does surprises me, very unclassy guy.
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I don’t gewt it: What’s wrong with pitching inside?
How many more wins would this team have if they could just learn how to put the ball in play with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out? It’s maddening how they cannot do that simple, fundamental thing.
Umpire not giving Colon anything inside
Rest In Peace, Dick Williams. The guy that was almost a Yankee manager until it was disallowed Bowie Kuhn and NY ended up with Bill Virdon as manager.
Watch out here…Jaso one of the best base running catchers I have ever seen….
Colon is going to have to battle tonight. The ump is squeezing him and his location isn’t as good as it usually is.
“Hitting the ball hard as of late……”
pat m-
i figured it was just a matter of time before jeter adjusted to aging and figured out a way to keep hitting.
i don’t think he’s over the hill by any means.
Can’t bring base runners in. Lineup is so constipated with r i s p. Also would like to see tex hit opposite the shift and stick it to these teams.
If he keeps throwing it inside he will eventually get that call.
Rays are a young team with great bat speed. Colon’s gonna have to whip out the slider or sinker. He’ll mow them down once he settles in
Nick in SF: “And why couldn’t Swisher stop bebopping and scating????”
Because he’s a step skipper. He skips Step 9!
randy l. July 7th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
“Hitting the ball hard as of late……”
pat m-
i figured it was just a matter of time before jeter adjusted to aging and figured out a way to keep hitting.
i don’t think he’s over the hill by any means.
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I agree. Jeter consistently hitting the ball with authority again would be a very welcome development.
Venditte blows Betabces’ win
Here comes small ball from the scrub lineup
It’s early, lot’s of time to get to ‘Paul Bunyan’ when his mechanics go south.
Bartolo will find a way.
Sweet! That should get the big guy going!
BoJo July 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Watch out here…Jaso one of the best base running catchers I have ever seen….
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John Wathen and Jason Kendall
GreenBeret7 July 7th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Did someone say that we are close to getting Gio Gonzales earlier today ? I can’t find anything about that in the news out here.
Cano and Jeter turn sweet double plays.
Gotta admit that i missed that in Jetes absence
The Rays are hitting the balls hard but good thing they are right at people
Tomorrow night’s Giants/Mets game will be called by Bob Costas and Al Michaels on MLB.
Swisher has horrible luck lately
Damn that was bad luck
Hard hit. Hopefully it falls in next time.
Swisher has hard luck.
Scranton ties the game at 2-2.Laird with an RBI double
bout time Martin got a big hit…. hope we score now
1 run’s not winning this game for TB
Like it going the other way.
It would be nice if we can actually turn these hits into runs.
Nacho girl was afraid.
Nice…They are hitting the ball hard so far. It’s only time before they get to him.
Good thing niemann gets that curve for a strike but Colon can’t get a 2 seamer in the same spot.
If the ump could give that inside call a strike, then Colon should get it too
Let’s Go Captain!!
come on GARDNER!!!!
Somewhere, somebody is jabbing his Gardner voodoo doll…
Gardner has to be kidding me. That was an awful pitch to swing at.
lmao god hes bad
Test. Comments are back folks.
Tex and A Rod are not the same great players they were. Derek getting slower, jorge showing his age as well, this team will be lucky to make the playoffs as it is constituted now vs better pitching teams tampa and boston- who always hit the snot out of the ball. Cashman has work to.do by the trade deadline or take big tome chances with an aging inconsistent lineup and pitching staff.
weird to watch a yankee game without the blog
Brownies – Wow, everyone comes back to THIS game thread after 2 hours, and you instantly hit us in the face with a mud pie. Nice job, pal!
what is with our feeble hitting….ridiculous (We were playing so well last week and now we are playing equally as bad this week)
This is like Clemens going for 300. The team lost so many games waiting for it to happen. Yanks were crusing. 1-2 soon to be 1-3 since Jeter came back, hope he gets 3000 soon.
Jeter needs to get his two hits so we can move on.
This is all happening because there were two threads about Mo bowing out of the All-Star game.
I don’t think that you can lay these losses on Jeter.
Girardi has to DH Arod 2 days a week from now on. I know that Girardi is scared to sit Posada but Arod definitely needs the rest. The all star break should definitely help him. You don’t see a lot of life in his legs or bat.
Ever since the Mets game, this team has played like a wet bag of crap.
I’ll blame Jeter anyway.
Jeter needs to get his hits, then become a spokesman for Mr Coffee.
Once Jeter gets his 3000th hit on some infield dribbler, they need to actually start playing to win games – and that means dropping Jeter to the bottom of the order.
It’s like they all playing tight waiting for it to happen.
The offense is inconsistent because it is no longer circular. There are too many dead spots on a nightly basis.
As Yankee fans we got used to see a circular lineup over the past 10 years which is why we are not used to this inconsistency the past two seasons.
Jeter led off the game with a double, and the Yanks failed to score him from second with no outs. The lack of clutch-hitting has been the Achilles heel of this team since Matsui, Damon, and Cabrera left.
The Sux have gone yard 6 times tonight.
As long as Martin/Jeter are in the lineup, there is no chance for it to be circular.
Tex and his .240 average is also getting very annoying.
Where the hell was that??
I can’t wait to play the orioles.
That was a perfect pitch. It would be nice if the Yanks got the same strike zone that Niemann did.
The other thing that tends to extend these losing streaks for the Yanks is Girardi’s unwillingness to shuffle the order around a bit when they are struggling to produce runs.
Last ten games:
Martin – .147
Gardner – .152
Teixeira – .205
Jeter – .225
Granderson – .226
Posada – .231
A-Rod’s slugging percentages since 2007:
.645 .573 .532 .506 .492
When was the last time the Yankees rallied in the later innings to win a game? Happened a lot in 2009 but I can’t recall too many occasions this year. They don’t seem to have much fight in them. Seven-game winning streak followed by 4 defeats in 5. Very disappointing.
As long as Martin/Jeter are in the lineup, there is no chance for it to be circular
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Basically right.
The Yankees were able to put together circular lineups because they were able to field teams with offense at offensively starved positions like SS and C.
Yanks need Nunez back.
It doesn’t help that no one at the game seems interested in anything other than Jeter’s at bats. You can hear a pin drop.
This team stopped manufacturing runs. During the streak, we were able to do that. Like, Bunt to get on base, steal, get into scoring position, sac fly by the big guns.
We had double steals. We were aggressive….
Now it’s back to wait for someone to move me from 1st to 2nd to 3rd to home….
The offense definitely needs another big or consistent bat. There are too many guys that just go with the flow and can’t carry them. The big bats are obviously Granderson, Tex, Arod and Cano. Tex and Cano have been very inconsistent. If those guys don’t get things going…they aren’t going. Everyone else is a hit here and there.
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A-Rod’s slugging percentages since 2007:
.645 .573 .532 .506 .492
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That’s not a surprise is it? He’s an aging player, more susceptible to injuries, slower to heal and with greatly reduced home run abilities. It’s not going to get better.
Why can’t the Sox play small ball?
dont worry I am sure they will come back and win this game
Hopefully Tex will work with Long over the ASB on hitting the other way against the shift.
maybe Cashman will make some moves soon to infuse some new blood into the pen and bench.
Here comes head case Farnsworth. Who of course is having a good year because of no attention or pressure in Devil Ray land.
here comes farnsworth to shove it to us again bc he couldnt get it done in a yankee uniform. so annoying.
“That’s not a surprise is it? He’s an aging player, more susceptible to injuries, slower to heal and with greatly reduced home run abilities. It’s not going to get better.”
He was on fire at the beginning of the season so he still has the talent. Clearly, something’s not right with him physically.
“It doesn’t help that no one at the game seems interested in anything other than Jeter’s at bats. You can hear a pin drop”
Seems like a common theme at NYS these days, unfortunately.
Noesci just showed me something tonight.
no farnsworth has no control issues..amazing!
You guys have short memories. Towards the end of his stay in pinstripes, Farnsworth was actually pitching well. That’s why he was so shocked when he got traded.
The circular lineup is why Posada’s career is so underrated and why Martin’s impact on this team has been so overstated.
A-Rod is 17th in the AL in Home Runs – 13th in RBI’s – 18th in SLG and 12th in OPS.
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here comes farnsworth to shove it to us again bc he couldnt get it done in a yankee uniform
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You mean like Austin swing at the air Kearns the other day
WCYF, no it’s not a surprise, i just think a lot of people don’t realize how big of a dropoff it’s been. i think it’s part of the reason why Teixeira has probably been told, your average doesn’t matter, we want you hitting home runs. and Curtis has been providing a lot of power so Alex’s decrease in slugging isn’t as magnified when you look at the whole team.
i just think it’s time he’s moved off the cleanup spot.
“Seems like a common theme at NYS these days, unfortunately.”
That’s because the rowdy fans can’t afford tickets.
Of course Swisher goes up there swinging for the fences
Looking like the Yankees trying to slug their way back into the game, in which case it’s over. Goodnight all.
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 7th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
“That’s not a surprise is it? He’s an aging player, more susceptible to injuries, slower to heal and with greatly reduced home run abilities. It’s not going to get better.”
He was on fire at the beginning of the season so he still has the talent. Clearly, something’s not right with him physically.
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He’s still slugging near .500. So, there basically isn’t a problem. He slugged nearly .600 in June. He’s just going through a bit of a homer drought.
I think Martin is going to bounce back. Yesterday he got a hit off the “unhittable” masterson & a double today.
another weak 1 2 3 inning. This team beat up on bad teams. They cant beat the good ones. Sox and TB own them
Jorgie, take the walk if he gives it to you.
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 7th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
“That’s not a surprise is it? He’s an aging player, more susceptible to injuries, slower to heal and with greatly reduced home run abilities. It’s not going to get better.”
He was on fire at the beginning of the season so he still has the talent. Clearly, something’s not right with him physically.
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Talent doesn’t usually disappear instantaneously, it’s often a gradual process. As to the physical ailments, aches and pains, it is just what I said. When you age you are more susceptible to injuries and are slower to heal.
It feels like the purpose of this game to give Jeter another opportunity at the plate.
“WCYF, no it’s not a surprise, i just think a lot of people don’t realize how big of a dropoff it’s been. i think it’s part of the reason why Teixeira has probably been told, your average doesn’t matter, we want you hitting home runs. and Curtis has been providing a lot of power so Alex’s decrease in slugging isn’t as magnified when you look at the whole team.”
You’re kidding, right? You actually think that someone on the Yankees told Tex that he doesn’t have to hit for average and to just concentrate on hitting HRs since Alex is injured and can’t do it? That is too funny. And extremely untrue.
Lets see double play by Martin or a weak fly ball?
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WCYF, no it’s not a surprise, i just think a lot of people don’t realize how big of a dropoff it’s been. i think it’s part of the reason why Teixeira has probably been told, your average doesn’t matter, we want you hitting home runs. and Curtis has been providing a lot of power so Alex’s decrease in slugging isn’t as magnified when you look at the whole team.
i just think it’s time he’s moved off the cleanup spot.
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Interesting thought I haven’t heard much of.
weak fly ball
How was that strike 2???
Ghostwriter July 7th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
He’s still slugging near .500. So, there basically isn’t a problem.
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Really? No problem? What don’t you understand about this slash line that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa posted? A-Rod’s slugging percentages since 2007:
.645 .573 .532 .506 .492
This ump is awful. Colon couldn’t get anything on the corner called a strike.
“i just think it’s time he’s moved off the cleanup spot.”
Alex will be moved out of the cleanup spot around the same time Jeter is moved out of the leadoff spot. In other words, don’t hold your breath.
Get it to Grandy
The A-Rod/Tex/Cano trio has underperformed. Tex has turned into an all or nothing hitter and Alex’s power has disappeared. Cano has been solid, but we were counting on him to be a beast. Martin/Jeter are basically black holes in the lineup. Both go extended periods of time with no extra base hits and weak ABs. I won’t kill Gardner because he is a #9 hitter, and if the other guys were performing up to their standards, Gardner’s slumps would be much more tolerable.
If I’m Cash, I keep all options open at the deadline though – starters, relievers, bats.
This has turned into a Jeter hit fest instead of hoping to win a game.
These people aren’t Yankee fans; their Jeter fans. They aren’t excited that the Yankees are mounting a mini-rally. They are just happy that Jeter gets another at bat.
Well, you guys are a disappointment. I come back and no change in score.
GW–Changed my mind about leaving Colon in. I think conventional wisdom is against it. In fact, 4 out of 5 doctors say an extended Colon is a bad thing.
gardner’s baserunning instincts are just an anomaly..
Can Kay shut up with this Derek gets another AB stuff??
Arod and Cano should flip in the lineup.
Jeter has to be himself and not try to do too much. It will obviously be hard until he gets 2 more hits.
ET July 7th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
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Call home
All of that for another groundout.
another weak grounder.. Ballgame. Yanks are now in a slump.
LGY….Circular lineup is a nice baseball cliche…However other than the 2009 season, when was this circular lineup The Yanks possessd ??? Dynasty clubs yes, but that offensive philosophy kind of went by the wayside with Giambi
Captain Clutch July 7th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Jeter has to be himself and not try to do too much
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Well, he did hit a nice DP ball.
Yanks sucking air. Maybe they work better without Jeter in the lineup!
2 years ago Jeter definitely beats that out
LGY….Circular lineup is a nice baseball cliche…However other than the 2009 season, when was this circular lineup The Yanks possessd ??? Dynasty clubs yes, but that offensive philosophy kind of went by the wayside with Giambi
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2007
“Jeter has to be himself and not try to do too much. It will obviously be hard until he gets 2 more hits.”
He is being himself. He got one hit and hit groundouts the rest of the night. How is that different from anything he’s been doing these last two years?
I think i’m gonna throw up after watching this offense. Another home loss. Redsox crushing Baltimore. Hello 2nd place!!
LGY….Circular lineup is a nice baseball cliche…However other than the 2009 season, when was this circular lineup The Yanks possessd ??? Dynasty clubs yes, but that offensive philosophy kind of went by the wayside with Giambi
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How did it go by the wayside with Giambi?
He was a beast offensively.
Yankees didn’t show up for Jeter’s party. Red Sox did show up though and NYY in second place.
Fitting way to end the game. Another Jeterian at bat. Three more years of this guy and I will have switched my affections from baseball to lacrosse. Bring back Eduardo!
Wasn’t Giambi a .330 hitter before he showed up in NY? He turned quickly into a .250 hitter with the Yankees. I see the same thing with Tex happening.
it will be better once Jeter gets 3000 and everyone can go back to just focusing on the games. hopefully, he’ll get a couple hits tomorrow, and the Yanks can get back to business.
Jeter needs to retire as soon as he hits 3000. This lineup can’t win with him at the top of it.
What a disappointing stretch of games – they’ve nearly given away their lead in their division. I know they couldn’t keep playing the way they were, but this is a lousy way to go into the break
Of course, cue the folks who think Jeter’s absence caused the Yankees to win and his presence has caused them to lose
As long as Martin keeps doing what he’s doing with the staff, I’m fine….How many lineups have great hitters one through 9?
Hmm, when the Sox dropped two of three to SD and then two of three to Pitt, we were a shoo in for the WS. Now we do basically the same thing and are fatally flawed. It is the peaks and valleys if a 162 game season, people.
The offense has been like this since 2002. They are constructed on power and big hits. They aren’t going to happen every night. If you want to root for a team that hits singles, root for the Cincinnati Reds.
We’ve fallen into this rather unsightly pattern: great road trip, then three ugly losses to the Red Sox; then that incredible run, and now four of five genuinely ugly losses.
The Jeter bashing has already begun – except that this streak started before he came back.
Save for CC’s game, seems like bad pitching and lackluster hitting, at the same time, all of a sudden.
But Jeter will get his 3000th, at home, we’ll sweep the next three and go into the break on a high note, shall we?
bruceb-
Lacrosse is ten times more exciting than 90% of baseball games.
Making this loss even worse was having to listen to Kay and Flash. They aren’t as bad as the ESPeeN announcers or Fox announcers, but it’s close.
Jeter needs to get this over…..get hit 3,000 , then retire and become the new spokesman for Mr Coffee..
It is never fun to watch your team lose 4 of 5 games, and drop behind the dastardly BoSux in the process. However, winning these next 3 games and going into the All-Star with that and the division lead is definitely possible, so let’s not lose faith!
They forced Hughes/Jeter back into prominent roles on the team at the expense of two contributing figures and now they are paying the price for it. They had a good thing going and they messed with it. I don’t see what the rush was to get those guys back in the fold when there was no need.
On another note, how much longer do we have to see Martin with his Molina-like bat?
As long as Martin keeps doing what he’s doing with the staff, I’m fine….How many lineups have great hitters one through 9?
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Martin doesn’t need to be great but at least average wouldn’t hurt.
He has basically been a Ramiro Pena esque auto out since April.
Kevin, great minds think alike ! LOL
heStraw July 7th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The offense has been like this since 2002. They are constructed on power and big hits. They aren’t going to happen every night. If you want to root for a team that hits singles, root for the Cincinnati Reds.
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If you go back to our recent win streaks over the past 3 weeks, the team was constructed to have BOTH. That’s what made it exciting to watch. We still had the sluggers, but we also had the small ballers (bunts, steals). We were able to tack on runs by manufacturing runs.
They are struggling to do that now.
Several of you suck ass…
Texeira has a career BA of 280 something…what is wrong with this dude?? He can’t be the shift to save his life…
LGY, I acknowledge that………..
Tex is a traditional slugger now with no ability to hit for average. Alex has gone into a huge power funk……..It’s an odd lineup.
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It is ridiculous to say that the team is now losing because Jeter returned, but I believe it is equally ridiculous to say that the lineup with Gardner or Swisher at the top and nunez at the bottom is not a more productive lineup than the one with Jeter leading off. Nunez, in my opinion, offers more offensively than Jeter right now. More pop, more speed, more patience. He has shortcomings defensively, but his offense makes the Yankee offense more dangerous.
I would have PH Nunez for Martin in the 9th.
Right now, Derek Jeter is a millstone round this team’s neck. That could be the case for another three years so I guess we better guess used to it.
I don’t think Jeter is a millstone at all. Is hit chase is a distraction, but that’s unavoidable.
They might be able to live with Martin’s light bat if they didn’t have Jeter in the lineup, Tex becoming an all or nothing hitter, Alex not hitting for power, the streakiness of everyone else, etc.
They can’t afford to carry Martin’s bat when most of the guys in front of him are not getting it done and he is the easiest to replace.
The offense is streaky. They’re all hitting below avg. It has nothing to do with Jeter. They’re just in a bad stretch.
Jeter provided as much offense as everyone else but Cano tonight.
G.Love said it perfectly the other day. The last thing this team needs was a losing streak when jeter returned. Not to say it would be his fault but the media would feed off of it…
Martin just isn’t a good enough hitter to start for the Bronx Bombers.
Jeter seeing that milestones and not people suck the air out of the room and take the focus off winning.
Girardi said on wfan today that he would like Jeter to get this over with asap. He said he does more interviews than he normally would. He talks to the media before and after every game and hbo video tapes every batting practice. The team has to put winning before Jeter and his hits, it seems like winning has become 2nd to the team. Enough with the interviews, distractions and win games.
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YankeesInk Hanging in interview room to await Jeter, not much to hear in clubhouse, I think.
YankeesInk HBO guys setting up directly to right of table as we wait.
He also made arguably the biggest out for the Yankees tonight…but let’s ignore that fact because it is Derek Jeter.
Dellin Betances, RHP: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 9, 6-1 GB/FB – 62 of 90 pitches were strikes (68.9%), and he was up as high as 98-99 at times … that might be coming off the stadium gone, so don’t read too much into it, but either way, fantastic start … great to see”
http://www.riveraveblues.com
98-99! That’s pretty awesome.
Frustrating game….Colon wasn’t sharp but they just didn’t hit against a guy that’s just really not that good….Niemann is fine but they should have scored a few.
3,000 comes tomorrow!
The problem with Martin is that we have no way to quantify how important he is the the rotation’s positive performance. He is now hitting .215-ish but may be a big reason for the Yankees superior record.
Posada, legacy aside, is the easiest to replace.
Rich, he’s plenty good enough to catch this staff and that’s all I care about.
Jeter’s chase is not a distraction at all – I don’t think they’ve gone into a funk because he’s getting closer.
Here’s how you test Martin’s inpact on the pitching staff…stop playing him so much.
Betsy
He stinks offensively.
Kay and Flaherty disagree with you.
And Curry.
The rest of the Yankees have stopped hitting the last two games…..yesterday wasn’t really their fault because Masterson was good……but that has nothing to do with Jeter.
I do think the hit chase is a distraction, but it’s more than that.
I think it was monday’s game in the 1st iining: Jeter gets on base, Grandy walks, Jeter doesn’t attempt a steal. Teix deep fly ball, Jeter still on 2nd…. If that was Gardner, him & Grandy probably would’ve done a double steal & Teix’s fly ball becomes a sac fly.
Jeter is really not that quick anymore. It changes the complexion of the game.
I don’t think we’re losing because of Jeter. But this lineup is not as good as the gardner/Swisher leadoff with Nunez lineup. It clearly can’t manufacture runs as easily.
btw, Even though it’s a distraction it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s why they are losing.
Why do so many people here feel the need to bash Jeter. He is certainly isn’t trying to decline on purpose. If you want to blame somebody for not addressing the team’s flaws either on or off the field, blame Cash or Girardi.
Bronx Jeers July 7th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Several of you suck ass…
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Please list names so we can send mints.
You’d have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see that the 3,000 chase is affecting the team. Once they get it over with, they will play better.
Martin definitely needs more days off. I don’t know if he is fatigued or this is basically what he is after his injuries the last 2 years. But catching everyday definitely won’t help him. He has done a good job behind the plate so that is good but he has to stop swinging for the fences all the time. Him and Swish both do that too often.
This team is just too old to play at a high level consistently.
Jeter is our captain. Haters have to get over themselves.
“This team is just too old to play at a high level consistently.”
They wouldn’t have the record they do if they weren’t consistent.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Here’s how you test Martin’s inpact on the pitching staff…stop playing him so much.
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So you like Cervelli better?
qiantom July 7th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
This team is just too old to play at a high level consistently.
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“So you like Cervelli better?”
I have said ad nauseum who want to share duties with Martin.
“Why do so many people here feel the need to bash Jeter.”
Here’s one way to look at it. Up until now, Jeter has been feeding Yankee fans caviar. Now, they feel like he’s feeding them spam. That requires an adjustment.
Rich, I don’t care if they disagree with me. I never agree with Kay anyway…….and I hardly ever listen to Flaherty to even have an opinion of him.
Well Laura, then you can color me all three of those. I have the blind covered with my glasses……..I don’t agree at all.
“I think it was monday’s game in the 1st iining: Jeter gets on base, Grandy walks, Jeter doesn’t attempt a steal. Teix deep fly ball, Jeter still on 2nd…. If that was Gardner, him & Grandy probably would’ve done a double steal & Teix’s fly ball becomes a sac fly.”
I think that’s a reach…..one thing is that they haven’t faced any crappy NL pitchers since Jeter came back. He’s been fine…..they weren’t going to keep up the pace they were playing forever.
So you like Cervelli better?
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If only we had a potential impact hitter in the minors. Or a potential impact 2 way player.
Furthermore, most of you would not even dare bash Mo the way you bash Jeter. But in case you haven’t noticed, he has slipped this year too (from cyborg to mere all star). This just in….it’s a team game. For the last few days, the whole team has sucked, except CC.
Angry Birds is more addicting than some illegal stuff.
LOL Rich, if they think Martin hasn’t done anything for this staff, then they’re clueless…….including Curry.
Betsy
k…..
Betsy
What? I think he stinks, not them.
I think that playing Martin so much up until this point was a mistake. The guy seems spent. He has essentially turned into Jose Molina, which isn’t such a bad thing considering what a good defensive catcher Molina is.
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Why do so many people here feel the need to bash Jeter?
Because he doesn’t earn his paycheck any more.
Laura-
I would classify it more as going from prime rib to a sirloin, but your point is well taken. But that should really make people appreciate what he has done even more.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
“So you like Cervelli better?”
I have said ad nauseum who want to share duties with Martin.
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I’m assuming you mean Montero?
When he has trouble hitting then what?
“Well Laura, then you can color me all three of those. I have the blind covered with my glasses……..I don’t agree at all.”
That’s fine. It’s a free country and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion….even though it’s wrong. Heeheehee!
“When he has trouble hitting then what?”
Over how large a sample size?
Montero will be up soon I think….probably early August
Despite all the distractions we’re in a virtual tie for first place. Can’t you people just enjoy it?
“Despite all the distractions we’re in a virtual tie for first place. Can’t you people just enjoy it?”
You must be new here. LOL!
“Can’t you people just enjoy it?”
Are you like really old?
“Because he doesn’t earn his paycheck any more.”
The most asinine comment I have ever read on this blog. All these guys are overpaid, but they also all work hard.
Five championships not good enough for you? I think his contract is fair given the circumstances and the way the negotiation played out.
People still think Jeter only gets paid for his baseball skills?
Yeah, I’m not used to the gloom and doom. Yeesh!
“Yeah, I’m not used to the gloom and doom. Yeesh!”
It’s dumb but you’ll live longer if you just ignore it.
I really think this team needs to transition. An influx of young players getting some playing time will help this team. Nunez & Montero. Even if this means Jeter & Posada get less playing time.
Martin needs days off & I think he’ll start hitting again. Let him take 2 of the next 3 days off or all 3 for that matter.
Girardi made the mistake of burning him in April, then the toe fracture came….
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
“When he has trouble hitting then what?”
Over how large a sample size?
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With the way this mob attacks probably not long.
I’m not as convinced as many here that he is ready yet.
Even though Martin isn’t hitting he still knows this staff and how to handle it.
I think he helped Hughs alot in that game last night.
I think that would be the biggest drawback to relying on Montero to much.
“All these guys are overpaid, but they also all work hard.”
Raul Mondesi is laughing somewhere.
Rich, you said Kay and Flaherty disagree with me…………and then Curry.
Laura, thank god I’m entitled…………..and that I’m apparently deaf, dumb and blind.
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Five championships not good enough for you? I think his contract is fair given the circumstances and the way the negotiation played out.
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Great post. Jeter’s contract was more than fair. What wasn’t fair was the deplorable way Yankee management disparaged him. Many Yankee fans unfortunately can’t recognize that they are privileged to watch one of the greatest baseball players ever to put on a uniform. That’s a shame.
Montero will be up when the Yankees think he’s ready, not because fans just really want to see him and can’t possibly wait.
Bronx Jeers July 7th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
People still think Jeter only gets paid for his baseball skills?
This is what happens when people only look at sabremetrics and stats and ignore someone’s value to the franchise as a whole and value to the team as a leader.
Betsy July 7th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Rich, you said Kay and Flaherty disagree with me…………and then Curry. Laura, thank god I’m entitled…………..and that I’m apparently deaf, dumb and blind.
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You’re neither deaf, dumb or blind, and you have every right to your opinion. But you happen to be wrong if you think this game was a normal one and that Jeter’s pursuit of 3,000 is not a major distraction for everyone involved.
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
This is what happens when people only look at sabremetrics and stats and ignore someone’s value to the franchise as a whole and value to the team as a leader.
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Another great post! Right on target!!
MY
See, I don’t care what the lowest common denominator thinks. Martin is playing too much and is wearing down (at least I hope that’s it), and most experts think Montero is ready offensively. It’s almost never easy for any prospect to acclimate himself to MLB, but sometimes you have to withstand a learning curve, and as bad as Martin is, it’s that time.
If Martin helped Hughes last night, we should be very afraid given how pedestrian Hughes’ stuff was.
Seriously, people want to give Martin credit for every good thing about the pitching, which I think is wrong. What about tonight? Colon was predictable. Is that Martin’s fault?
Maine, I don’t relish the idea of Montero catching this staff……..I’m very content with a defensive oriented catcher. Their lineup is supposed to be good enough, or maybe it’s not – they’re old in some areas and very quirky in others. Alex has suffered a power drain and Tex is now hitting in the .240′s, which is ridiculous.
I hope the Yanks are winning in their movie….
Ledger_Yankees Taped to clubhouse door: crumpled piece of paper from mlb reminding Yankees that Derek Jeter is wearing a mic.
I had a bad feeling that when Jeter and Hughes came back, this team would go into one of it’s patented slumps.
It has nothing to do with Jeter and Hughes as it does to the with the psyche of the rest of the team. You could just feel the changes coming were going to disrupt them. I don’t know why. I just had a sense this was coming.
They were rolling and putting Boston in the rear view and i just had a feeling that the minute the changes were made to the rotation and the everyday lineup they would slump.
Once the focus became Jeter’s chase and watching history I had real fear this team would just sit on it’s hands waiting to watch something historic instead of focusing on demolishing the opposition as they did for the past few weeks.
You can credit the opposing pitcher all you want, but this team went 14-4 vs. a lot of good pitching and was tearing up the league. Now all the batting averages are plummeting again.
To have a real sense of who this team is, is impossible. They streak and slump at such extreme levels. That’s who they are. It’s why they struggle in the post season if they aren’t all collectively hot.
That said, Swisher and Jeter bailed out Farnsworth in the 9th. He was going to walk the bases loaded, but they both went up there over aggressive.
I just hope this doesn’t turn into the lost weekend where Tampa almost catches us and Boston pulls away.
I pray to God Jeter gets it over with tomorrow night for his sake and the sake of the team’s focus.
That said, if this team is in it’s patented slump mode it’s going to be ugly at bat after ugly at bat until the ASB.
Get 3000 tomorrow night and go out and win a solid game. That’s the best thing the team can do tomorrow night.
And Nova sure has a lot to learn at AAA, huh? Anyone see his numbers tonight? Good on him for going down and showing the team he doesn’t belong down there.
“I’m apparently deaf, dumb and blind”
But, you sure play a mean pinball!
/windmillguitarstrum
WCYF-
For once, I agree with you. Well said. People will be sorry in three years when two of the most legendary Yankees of all time are no longer playing. They will tell their kids, you should have seen Jeter and Mo (and Jorge and Andy). Those guys were players….
Tom, FTW.
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
So you like Cervelli better?
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If only we had a potential impact hitter in the minors. Or a potential impact 2 way player.
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Key word in that phrase, “potential”.
So if he’s ready why haven’t they brought him up?
WC, I don’t care if you think I’m wrong – that’s your opinion. Let’s just all agree that we are all entitled. They are not losing because of Jeter’s streak – that’s how I feel. There is no proof that they are distracted – it’s pure speculation. I could be wrong, I could be right – we’ll never know.
I hear you, Rich in NJ. i’ll ignore the people who think 51-35 is something to b* and moan about. How sad!
Rich in NJ
I recall most experts were saying he wasn’t going to be a catcher.
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Bronx Jeers July 7th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
People still think Jeter only gets paid for his baseball skills?
This is what happens when people only look at sabremetrics and stats and ignore someone’s value to the franchise as a whole and value to the team as a leader.
What a load of baloney. Wish I got paid for what I did five years ago, rather than what I do now. And we’re really seeing his leadership skills right now, aren’t we? Three pathetic performances in four games since he returned. The guy is simply not good enough any more to be a leadoff hitter for a championship-chasing team. And if he was a true leader, he should have the good grace to accept that.
“So if he’s ready why haven’t they brought him up?”
Look how long they delayed with Posada.
If you read one of Sherman’s columns this week, they almost didn’t give Jeter a chance in 1996. Clyde King told George he wasn’t ready, and they considered trading Rivera for Felix Fermin.
Rich, how is it Martin’s fault that Phil had zippo? Johnny Bench can’t make a pitcher with crap stuff magically become great. If you’re going to be afraid of Phil’s performance, be afraid because Phil looked very mediocre at best, not because Martin couldn’t help him pitch better – there’s only so much a catcher can do.
“I recall most experts were saying he wasn’t going to be a catcher.”
MY
I can’t believe that he will be worse than Piazza.
Bruceb-
No one has asked him to bat anywhere else….
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Angry Birds is more addicting than some illegal stuff.
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I’m up to level 4!
It’s not speculation. When every member of the Yankees broadcast team and people who were at the game make the same observation it becomes much more credible an opinion than yours. They are around the games, they are at the stadium, they can see the crowd react, they talk to the players, they can sense the mood.
Betsy
Reread what was written
MY said: “I think he helped Hughs alot in that game last night.”
So I didn’t say he is the reason Phil was mediocre. I said I don’t see how he helped him.
“Laura, thank god I’m entitled…………..and that I’m apparently deaf, dumb and blind.”
You did see my smiley face, right?
Amen, TheStraw, He just has to get 3,000 behind him. The Hall of Fame awaits Jeter and Mo!
GLove, that’s pure speculation. Seriously – much as Phil struggled last year at times, he did pitch some very good games and even as late as the pennant race against the Sox and Rays. What, they got attached to Nova so much they now have a hard time dealing with Phil, a respected teammate in that clubhouse? Nova’s been good, but that’s about it.
Same thing about Jeter – pure speculation. The team is going into a slump because they are going into a slump. It happens.
BoJo July 7th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Angry Birds is more addicting than some illegal stuff.
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I’m up to level 4!
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Call me crazy, but I can’t stand Angry Birds. I think it’s stupid (probably because I’m no good at it).
Rich this is an exact quote:
If Martin helped Hughes last night, we should be very afraid given how pedestrian Hughes’ stuff was.
**To me, that’s implying that Martin’s help was not very significant. I’m not sure that he helped Phil, but if not, it’s because I don’t think Phil is all that great. Martin has sure helped the rest of the staff.
Laura
You’re crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rich in NJ
If you want to argue to argue thats fine.
If you don’t want to credit a veteran catcher with helping a young pitcher through a game I cant’ convince you otherwise.
The Yanks have to get a decent back up catcher. Girardi never gives Martin days off because he doesn’t want Cervelli and his dreadful defense playing often. Cervelli being so bad has made Martin into a shell of himself. It would be nice if they could get Romine up to AAA but with Montero there it won’t happen.
Yes, Betsy, in the sense that I don’t see how any one could say Martin really helped Hughes.
And yes, I don’t think Martin is very significant.
Bartolo had a 1.00 ERA in 4 strata prior to tonight. Like I said before, he was due for a clunker. Just too bad it had to be against the Rays.
Also, Rich, what experts think Montero is completely ready? It doesn’t matter, also – they don’t watch him on an every day basis. Clearly the Yankees don’t think he’s ready – Newman said as much – plus he’s had some issues. They had no problem promoting Heathcott based on some “he needs a challenge” theory – and he was doing lousy in low-A. Now we’re dealing not just with offense, but with having to deal with a staff – I don’t trust Montero right now to do that very well, certainly not as much as I do Martin. Let the other guys pick Martin up offensively……..
MY
I given Martin credit for framing pitches, blocking pitches in the dirt, and throwing runners out when pitchers give him a chance, because most bases are stolen on the pitcher, but not for making their stuff better.
This is what happens when people only look at sabremetrics and stats and ignore someone’s value to the franchise as a whole and value to the team as a leader.
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Well I doubt that guy’s a sabermetrician. It is naive to think that the value in these iconic players is limited to their athletic skill. Especially when it’s Derek Jeter and the Yankees.
Betsy
Why do you want to know what experts if it doesn’t matter?
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
“I recall most experts were saying he wasn’t going to be a catcher.”
MY
I can’t believe that he will be worse than Piazza.
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Is that your expert opinion?
Rich, no catcher is a miracle worker ………….but overall, Martin has done a fantastic job with the staff.
G. Love,
Great post. Couldn’t agree more. If you notice, whenever teams tinker with something good, things always seem to go backwards.
Nova 10 Ks in 7.2 IP tonight… good for him.
You’re right Rich – I don’t care. My point stands – whatever experts you’re referring to, don’t know as much about Montero as the Yankees.
Betsy
Whatever.
Days in first place
Yankees-59
Boston-21
So how is it that so many of you think this team sucks?
“Is that your expert opinion?”
Expert is a loaded word which suggests to me that you don’t give a %#@@ what I think, MY.
The Dynasty That Never Was
Before the Core Four, Three Hot-Shot Prospects in 1991 Were Supposed to Start the Yankees’ Reign
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....78604.html
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Days in first place
Yankees-59
Boston-21
So how is it that so many of you think this team sucks?
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They miss the forest for the trees.
Betsy,
First off all, everyone writing in here is speculating to a degree. We post our opinions and I disagree with you on this one. I could feel this coming.
The return of Jeter and Hughes were covered in the media ad nauseum and the team kept having to discuss it and anticipate it. I’ve watched this club enough to know that these kind of things rock their boat.
The sooner the 3000th hit is over with, the better. The team can move on to winning games again and HBO and all the extra media will disappear.
And I do think there is a nervousness as to whether Hughes is going to be good or not and did they make a mistake sending Nova down. Nova was a big part of the rotation and the clubhouse too. I think a lot of guys were upset when he was demoted and it changed the mood.
They’ll get over it, but I just had a bad feeling that this week was going to be rough and that was before I knew Mo’s elbow was hurting.
I hope they win tomorrow and Jeter gets his 3000th so the rest of the weekend can be back to baseball and the media can stop frothing to witness history and get everyone in uniform’s take on it. I think that stuff affects these guys and it’s not Jeter’s fault.
Yanks27-
That is why you do it before the All Star Break instead of in late July or early August.
Rich, I hope you don’t go to court and use “whatever” as your arguments, lol. I see I’ve ticked you off tonight – well, have a nice one anyway.
Rich in NJ
You’re missing the Point.
I’m refering to how he called the game.
Pitch selection.
Calling the right pitch to help Phil get out of a jam.
Tom
That’s how the name No Maas was conceived. He typified the futility of that era.
Straw, you have got to be kidding. Now if we criticize the team at all, it means we think they suck?
I don’t get ESPN. The say Boston has “reclaimed” first place. They’ve had it for 2 or 3 days all season. Big whoop!
MY
I think Phil’s stuff was so flat that he was lucky that he didn’t give up more runs.
Betsy
In court, people let me make a case. By saying you weren’t interested in what I had to say, you didn’t do that.
That’s why I said whatever. I don’t take any of this personally.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
“Is that your expert opinion?”
Expert is a loaded word which suggests to me that you don’t give a %#@@ what I think, MY.
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Betsy-
I wasn’t referring to you. I think your comments have been pretty accurate and free of absolutes.
Rich, I was 11 that year. I remember my dad saying, ‘It’s a shame that you’ll grow up thinking Mel Hall is a good baseball player.’
GLove, where was Nova last year in the first half when Phil dominated ? I know he was a big part of that team for 2009 and much of 2010 – while Nova was in AAA. This is silly- are we arguing who the team personally likes better? I find it hard to believe they’ve gotten so attached to a kid who’s pitched well, but not lights out, but no problem- we can agree to disagree. If that clubhouse’s mood changed because they got a teammate back, then that place has issues.
Well as I said, we’ll never know why the Yankees went into a slump now……we’ll just have to part ways. I really don’t think this team is good enough to just turn things on and off – well, Jeter has his 3000 hit and now we’ll be good again. They aren’t the 1998 Yankees.
Straw, I know you weren’t, but I wanted to stick up for those who expressed the frustration. This is what being a fan is. The people who really anger and annoy me are the ones who bashed Phil mercilessly last night………those folks have some problems.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
“So if he’s ready why haven’t they brought him up?”
Look how long they delayed with Posada.
If you read one of Sherman’s columns this week, they almost didn’t give Jeter a chance in 1996. Clyde King told George he wasn’t ready, and they considered trading Rivera for Felix Fermin.
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This is so typical of the Yankees it isn’t funny. Meanwhile, Carlos Santana is lousy behind the plate for the Indians, who are in first place any way with their faux catcher not hurting them, but helping them.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Laura
You’re crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not the first time I’ve been told that. Again, if I were better at AB, I’d probably like it better. It just annoys me that I’m given these little birds that I’m supposed to use to knock down big pieces of wood. I don’t get that.
Rich, I have no idea what you are talking about. When did I say I didn’t care what you had to say? However, whatever fits – we clearly don’t agree at all on Martin so going round and round is kind of pointless.
A fan leaned over a wall at the Rangers game to catch a ball and fell to his death. RIP.
Rich in NJ July 7th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
MY
I think Phil’s stuff was so flat that he was lucky that he didn’t give up more runs.
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But you don’t credit Martin for any of that?
I still think we need an impact bat. I want Beltran, he would be perfect in LF and make Gardner a part timer off the bench. He is so overrated and I really wish they would trade him while he still has a decent numbers. Posters stop drinking the Gardner kool-aid….He is average at best and not very offensively productive for a corner OF.
Betsy-
There is a difference between expressing frustration and saying a five time WS champion on the verge of 3,000 hits doesn’t earn his paycheck. That is just being a hater.
Betsy July 7th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Straw, I know you weren’t, but I wanted to stick up for those who expressed the frustration. This is what being a fan is. The people who really anger and annoy me are the ones who bashed Phil mercilessly last night………those folks have some problems.
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Come on Betsy you bash Hughes unmercifully. You are obsessed with him, that’s pretty much all you talk about, over and over and over. You can’t stand him, you think he’s terrible.
Straw, I would never say that. Personally I think fans are jealous of athletes and I pay no attention whenever they make such comments about their salaries. I don’t begrudge any $$$ an athlete makes.
can’t read thru this to know if it was mentioned but Nova got hit in the foot & reportedly limped his way off the field. Haven’t seen any update but sure hope the kid is OK after his whiz outing.
WC, you have no clue about the difference between criticizing and bashing, so I have absolutely NO interest in discussing this with you. Why don’t you go through my posts and tell me where I’ve ever said he was a bum? You are a pollyanna and can’t handle anyone thinking any Yankee isn’t the best. I don’t think Phil is very good, but I would never ever resort to personal insults like some people did last night. You see and read only what you want to, so you have a problem with me? LOL You wouldn’t be the first……oh well.
Oh, and don’t you try to psychoanalyze me by saying I’m obsessed. YOu want to play Freud? Take your dolls out of your closet and practice on them. Phil is a huge topic of conversation here and plenty of people have talked about him. Get over yourself.
jackamir July 7th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
I still think we need an impact bat. I want Beltran, he would be perfect in LF and make Gardner a part timer off the bench. He is so overrated and I really wish they would trade him while he still has a decent numbers. Posters stop drinking the Gardner kool-aid….He is average at best and not very offensively productive for a corner OF.
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Our impact bat is in Scranton.
Tough Betsy if you can’t take it don’t respond. You are totally obsessed with Hughes and your passive aggressive behavior doesn’t fool me. You feign indignation at some comments and spend 75% of your time bashing Hughes.
“Rich, how is it Martin’s fault that Phil had zippo?”
“Johnny Bench can’t make a pitcher with crap stuff magically become great.”
“If you’re going to be afraid of Phil’s performance, be afraid because Phil looked very mediocre at best”
Go peddle your hollow denials elsewhere.
Rich, no catcher is a miracle worker ………….but overall, Martin has done a fantastic job with the staff.
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How do we know that Martin has done a fantastic job with the staff?
Betsy, those doll references made me chuckle. Good stuff!!!! Did you ever get a new car?
I still think we need an impact bat. I want Beltran, he would be perfect in LF and make Gardner a part timer off the bench. He is so overrated and I really wish they would trade him while he still has a decent numbers. Posters stop drinking the Gardner kool-aid….He is average at best and not very offensively productive for a corner OF.
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What teams in MLB would Gardner not start for?
I don’t care what other teams have. I want the best for the Yankees and Gardner is an interchangable part. He is not what I want.
I don’t care what other teams have. I want the best for the Yankees and Gardner is an interchangable part. He is not what I want.
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Are we in kindergarten? I want what I want and I want it now?
You have repeatedly posted today that Gardner is a 4th OF. What teams have 3 OF better than Gardner?
Back up your statements with some facts.
Our impact bats are Tex, Granderson and Cano, followed by Arod, Swish, Martin, Posada and Jeter. This is based on RBIs this season.
My pleasant good night wishes do not seem to be working lately, so I’ll just say:
“Screw you, I’m going home.”
I passed kindergarten years ago.
Although I’d like to get one last game of kickball in before I croak.
Jeers,
I really need a red rubber kickball/dodgeball in my life again. I could carry it around and pelt people with it all day.
LGY-
I’ll give you that he is a MLB starter. However, I do believe he is largely an average player. He is a tremendous fielder, a somewhat talented but streaky and inconsistent hitter, a fast runner who steals bases and creates runs but often shows bad judgement in base running. He is coat controlled and as such an appealing option for a team. But I don’t believe he’ll ever be a player who can carry a team. He is a good complementary player.
I don’t think any of us think Gardner will carry a team. That said, if you get power out of your CF and RF, not to mention 2b, C and DH, you can afford to carry him and let him be part of the engine for the team.
But I don’t believe he’ll ever be a player who can carry a team. He is a good complementary player.
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Is he supposed to be anything more than that?
But I don’t believe he’ll ever be a player who can carry a team. He is a good complementary player.
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Most players in baseball can’t carry a team. He can definitely carry the team defensively though. And the Yankees are not married to him. I don’t think they would keep him around after team control is up.
G.Love-
Agreed. But I wish he would go back to being more agrressive at the plate as he was during his streak. It seems that he gets in trouble at the plate when he tries to work walks.
TheStraw, that’s a good wrap on Gardner. I say Keep him!
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
LGY-
I’ll give you that he is a MLB starter. However, I do believe he is largely an average player. He is a tremendous fielder, a somewhat talented but streaky and inconsistent hitter, a fast runner who steals bases and creates runs but often shows bad judgement in base running. He is coat controlled and as such an appealing option for a team. But I don’t believe he’ll ever be a player who can carry a team. He is a good complementary player.
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I think thatthis is a pretty fair assessment of Gardner. However, I don’t think that he’s anywhere near reaching his potential. I think that Gardner could develop into an .800-OPS player, which would make him a top-tier complementary player–not a guy who can carry a team, but a catalyst.
Gardner will become a problem if his offense dips below average production for the season. His elite defense + above average offense is what makes him a valuable piece of the team.
That is what the problem with Martin now. He is a very good defensive player be he is performing below average offensively and continuing to trend downward.
I remember a game called “European handball”
Smaller red rubber ball. Big hockey like goals. It was like soccer but you used your hands. Can’t remember if you had to dribble it or not.
18 RBI’s in 83 games, .260 BA. Corner OF is weak.
The Straw,
Absolutely. When Gardner goes up there patient and looking to get walked, that’s when the problem with the swing develops. Still, he’s playing brilliant defense and getting on base at a .350 clip. He’s a great piece for this team because he possesses a skill set that contrasts some of the other guys. I wouldn’t focus on him being the problem.
The streaky nature of our middle of the order and some of the other in their prime guys is the problem.
And Arod is hurt. Everyone can see it. When the poor guy has to run 1st to 3rd or 2nd to home he looks like he’s in tremendous pain. He needs to skip the all star game and get some rest/treatment. He looks very beat up to me.
18 RBIs but he hits .293 .382 .362 .744 with RISP. Its not his fault he plays behind slow runners like Posada, Martin, and Swisher.
Excuse me 86 games
jackamir July 7th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
18 RBI’s in 83 games, .260 BA. Corner OF is weak.
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Your point is weak. He bats ninth–behind guys that have been hitting .230, or so, for most of the season. How many RBIs do you think that he is supposed to have?
And for the record, I think Swish is better in the leadoff spot than either Jeter or Gardner. It seemed to make him more patient and pick his pitches.
He does have 43 runs. More than Jeter in less PA. More than Swisher, Posada, Martin etc. He can be a run creator if you put him in the right spot.
“Personally I think fans are jealous of athletes and I pay no attention whenever they make such comments about their salaries.”
Well said.
It is going to be an upward battle for Gardner all season because he got off to such an incredibly slow start coming back from wrist surgery and trying to adjust with a new swing.
He tore it up for 2 months in May and June, but because of his slow start any other slumps like he is currently in right now kill him.
By the end of the season his numbers should be good but he is going to have to really battle to keep his slash line up.
TheStraw July 7th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
And for the record, I think Swish is better in the leadoff spot than either Jeter or Gardner. It seemed to make him more patient and pick his pitches.
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Maybe against lefties.
Oh well, tomorrow is another day…..the Chief will set it right…
Could have something to do with the guy behind him which I think is invariably Granderson.
Walk Swish leading off and you could be looking at a 2-0 deficit before getting 1 out.
You don’t get the point. If we had an impact bat( Beltran as an example) we could bat Posada 8th & Martin 9th. Much more potent circular lineup.
Swisher has been hitting really well for a month and a half now. He is hitting the ball really hard even when he makes outs.
You don’t get the point. If we had an impact bat( Beltran as an example) we could bat Posada 8th & Martin 9th. Much more potent circular lineup.
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Is Beltran supposed to roam the expansive LF of Yankee Stadium?
And why would you take Gardner out of the lineup over Posada when Gardner has been the better hitter this season?
Right. Because the 7-hole is a big RBI slot. Thbe bottom line about
Gardner is that he gets on base, and he helps the club score runs. Pointing out his RBIS is totally beside the point.
BTW, with runners in scoring postions, Gardner is batting .293/.382/.362/.744. He doesn’t have many RBIs because he doesn’t get many chances with guys on base, not because he can’t produce.
Jeter, Posada, and Martin all have OPS+ below 100.
It doesn’t matter where you bat Posada or Martin. It’s not a circular lineup just because suddenly Martin was dropped from 8th to 9th if he still hits like crap.
That is the first thing I thought of but this is Posada last Yankee hurrah. You could sit Sado and really piss him off.
LGY July 8th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Jeter, Posada, and Martin all have OPS+ below 100.
It doesn’t matter where you bat Posada or Martin. It’s not a circular lineup just because suddenly Martin was dropped from 8th to 9th if he still hits like crap.
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Good point.
Garner’s having a better season than Carl Crawford and the Sox are the best team in the history of organized sport!
Bronx Jeers July 8th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Garner’s having a better season than Carl Crawford and the Sox are the best team in the history of organized sport!
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Martin is useful as an above average receiver. I can live with him also I think that an impact bat would protect Cano.
Crawford has almost twice Gardner’s RBI’s in less than 2/3 the PA. Not that I want Crawford and his salary.
Crawford has almost twice Gardner’s RBI’s in less than 2/3 the PA. Not that I want Crawford and his salary.
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Yet Crawford is only hitting .247/.263/.429 with RISP
Gardner has 3 hits with the bases loaded and yet only has 4 RBI. Even has a double! He is a victim of circumstance.
Yeah, The circumstance is he is unproductive….
Jerkface July 8th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Gardner has 3 hits with the bases loaded and yet only has 4 RBI. Even has a double! He is a victim of circumstance.
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Too funny!
jackamir July 8th, 2011 at 12:24 am
Yeah, The circumstance is he is unproductive….
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You really ought to follow your own advice, and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You have yet to offer a single fact that actually supports your argument in any substantive fashion. You don’t like the guy. Fine. I get it. However, that doesn’t make him unproductive.
G’night, all!
18 RBI’s. What am I making these numbers up. Jim Jones