Jeter: “I would think it would be kind of fun”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2011 
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Derek Jeter is coming home. Tonight will be his first game in the Bronx since June 13, and unlike his last game at Yankee Stadium, he’ll be playing with a reasonable chance of reaching 3,000 hits.
“Our fans have always been pretty good when they have an opportunity to witness something that hasn’t been happening,” he said. “They care a lot about the history of this organization, so I anticipate them being pretty animated. I don’t know, but I would think it would be kind of fun.”
Jeter is going to play, Joe Girardi’s made that much clear. The new plan is to play Jeter until he gets No. 3,000, then the Yankees will think about resting him.
“There will be a lot of flash bulbs going off, I’m sure,” Girardi said. “I think it’s going to be great. People have anticipated this for a while. The countdown had started, so people are pretty excited. We are. I know we are, in the dugout, for him to get it done.”
Jeter’s swung the bat pretty well the past two days. He admitted that Monday’s game felt kind of like Opening Day, but he seems to have grown more comfortable in the short time he’s been back on a big league field. Last night he was the only Yankee to have a pretty good night against Justin Masterson.
“It’s not like I’m trying to do anything different,” he said, repeating his familiar phrase throughout this countdown. “It would be different if I was trying to hit home runs or something like that. In that sense, everything is pretty much the same.”
Here’s Jeter after last night’s game. Sorry, the audio’s not great.
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By the way, Rays manager Joe Maddon is thinking about No. 3,000. Earlier this week, Maddon tweeted that Jeter might reach the milestone against Tampa Bay, and the Yankees “can derive energy from it.” Maddon said he saw that happen, “when I saw Cal pass Gehrig.”
Associated Press photos
I hope it happens in front of the hometown crowd.
Odds are good.
Chad-
Good morning. Please look at the new blogger that has been inappropriately posting the last 20 minutes.
Trader,
Its prorated though …..theyd be taking on 15 or 16 million with those 2 guys and it would only be for the rest of the season. They might prefer that to trading away a good prospect in another deal…..
It’s getting very exciting now that he’s so close
jimbaumbach When Roger Clemens arrived at federal courthouse a few minutes ago, he was asked by security for his ID, just like everyone else entering.
Erin July 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am
YESKimJones On 9/9/09, Jeter needed 3 hits to tie Gehrig for most hits in Yankees history. He got them, off Rays’ Jeff Niemann. Niemann on mound tonite.
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That was the “old” Jeter. The new one gets two hits tonight and 1 tomorrow.
Jeter was swinging the bat better when he got hurt and the last 2 games have been very positive…..the fact that he was able to lift Masterson in the air hard twice was a good sign as to where his swing is……I thought is was great the things he said to Nunez that Kim Jones reported yesterday as well.
Chad-
Inquiring minds want to know.
Can you comment on why no one else has reported what Pedro Gomez reported last night regarding Hughes having a cyst removed from the area of his labrum back in April ?
Is his report accurate ?
Thanks in advance.
Trader, yes, I’d take an 8th inning guy that coulsspell Rivera on occassion over a bat. Not sure who it would be, though. Perhaps Mike Adams is that arm. Not sure bringing in Bell is the answer, though. He’s outstanding, but, a third closer and two out of position won’t work. I still think that Breslow and Ziegler would be a good comination to pick up, but, really, it comes right back to Soriano’s return. I really like Robertson and his strikeouts, but those walks could come back to bite him in the post season.
Kontos has a good fastball, but usually t’s straight as a string. With Brackman, the patience has to be wearing pretty thin.
Blake-
Jeter lifted Masterson ?
Wow. He’s even stronger than I thought.
Montero on the 7 day DL with a backside issue…..or was that back/side?
MTU,
Yes.
I sure am glad Theo the great traded that kid away.
Montero on the 7 day DL with a backside issue…..or was that back/side?
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Speaking of 7 day DL, did Heathcott come off it for 1 game, go 3 for 5, and then go back on? What’s up there?
Blake-
Same here. Maybe it’s Cleveland who “lifted” him. From the Sux.
Bronx Jeers-
Will you be at the game tomorrow?
Blake-
Still don’t see the Yankees taking on K-Rod. Are you comfortable with his split stats attached here?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7029/splits
blake July 7th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Jeter was swinging the bat better when he got hurt and the last 2 games have been very positive…..the fact that he was able to lift Masterson in the air hard twice was a good sign as to where his swing is……I thought is was great the things he said to Nunez that Kim Jones reported yesterday as well.
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How can that be so, Blake? The Dogs Of James say that Jeter is trash and beyond value.
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 1:44 am
“It’s strike 3 thats the hard one.”
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Maybe the dumbest comment that I have ever seen here.
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Yup its so dumb because every pitcher can just strike out whoever they want by throwing a strike on a batter that has 2 strikes.
Thats why Hughes, who goes 0-2 on everyone, strikes out 27 batters per 9.
Can you comment on why no one else has reported what Pedro Gomez reported last night regarding Hughes having a cyst removed from the area of his labrum back in April ?
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MTU,
It’s weird that this isn’t out there anywhere. Next we’ll hear that the surgery was performed in Dealy Plaza.
Either that or you were in the midst of a snake venom delirium when you were watching ESPN yesterday.
Trader,
I would go with Robertson or Logan against lefties……I like those numbers against righties though. I would rather have somebody else ……I just don’t.want to give up good prospects for relievers and I think they could maybe get KRod for just money.
Mell
Yes, Heathcott went 3-5 and hit the DL the next day. I was told that he was in the lineup in his second day with the Tampa Yankees but was a late scratch. He then missed 2 games of the doubleheader and a regular saturday game. I didn’t even see him in the dugout and normally whether they play or are on the DL they are in the dugout. They put him on the DL on Sunday. I heard he reaggervated his shoulder.
Erin July 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am
YESKimJones On 9/9/09, Jeter needed 3 hits to tie Gehrig for most hits in Yankees history. He got them, off Rays’ Jeff Niemann. Niemann on mound tonite.
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Hoping for some synchronicity tonight then!
Jeers-
But it seemed so real.
TY36:
Appreciate the info. Thanks.
“The Dogs of James” that sounds ominous
blake July 7th, 2011 at 9:18 am
?The Dogs of James? that sounds ominous
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I love that. lol
Yankee Trader,
I have tickets. If he gets three tonight then I may not be there.
tyanksfan36 July 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Mell
Yes, Heathcott went 3-5 and hit the DL the next day. I was told that he was in the lineup in his second day with the Tampa Yankees but was a late scratch. He then missed 2 games of the doubleheader and a regular saturday game. I didn’t even see him in the dugout and normally whether they play or are on the DL they are in the dugout. They put him on the DL on Sunday. I heard he reaggervated his shoulder.
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ty, thanks for that update (& Mell for raising). I am concerned as I’ve read HC keeps trying to “play through” his shoulder problems, & this would indicate same. What is the nature of his troubles? Any idea? Do we have something potentially chronic, here? Or did he just think he was OK & needs more rest? Is it strictly a “rest” thing? Thanks for any further info you might gather.
GB-
Breslow the lefty -lefties hitting .404. OPS-.995
Ziegler the righty-lefties hitting .444 OPS 1.052
Woohoo for Casey? How come there’s no Woohoo for Hassey?
If everyone would just get off Montero’s back, maybe it would be fine
jimbaumbach Day 2 of jury selection in Clemens trial officially underway, resuming with potential juror who was being interviewed when yesterday ended.
GB-
Grant Balfour instead??
Split stats:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....nt-balfour
MTU, twas nice to see a live Yankee game again last night.
https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/20110706?authkey=Gv1sRgCKGhiriZpv_-4wE
jimbaumbach Current potential juror being interviewed says she wants to be on jury “because it’s important to get things right.” She makes first cut.
Trader, there are no options because teams aren’t stripping their relief corps. Unless NYs are willing to cough up the money and talent for pitchers like Bell/Rodriguez/Adams, there’s really nothing else.
JCPD-
Nice to see you back posting again. from those great pics, it looks like Hughes worked on his stride to help generate the velocity!!
does anyone really know what to make of this year’s team yet? Wild hot and cold streaks at the plate, sparkling defense followed up by potentially game changing errors, Girardi pushing the right and then the wrong buttons in the bullpen…am I the only one that thinks the volatility is worse this year than past years?
oh, and I guess I can’t post without my obligatory expression of huge disappointment in Tex’s and Martin’s average.
Hughes was decent last night. I see no basis for a groundswell of Nova support. Hughes pitches similarly to many of Nova’s games. He didn’t pitch well enough to call off a hunt for a no. 2 starter, if one is remotely available.
Are the juror by juror updates really of value?
J.Alfred
Well as you know, Tampa is a black hole for information regarding why people hit the DL so I can’t really tell you anything unless I overhear or read it online. I have no clue what it up. I would think that if it wasn’t that serious then he would be standing on the rails of the dugout with everyone else at the games, including those on the DL(Neil Medchill for example was on the DL for 2 weeks and was always with the team in the dugout) I can try to dig around to see but since they’re on a road trip it will be kind of hard.
I can tell you though that if he did reaggravate his shoulder, he did it on his swings because he didn’t make any crazy plays in the field. I was under the assumption that he had been swinging the bat and was a batter in the sim game for Colon over at the minor league complex so I don’t know how it didn’t bother him sooner. Unless he rehurt himself throwing the ball from CF to the infield.
JCPD-
I was thinking of you being at the game last night.
I looked for ya’.
Thank you for sharing. You’ve successfully made the transition to Sports photography.
Glad you made it home safely.
JCPD,
Those AP photographers have nothing on you!
Were you in the 1st row?
GB7-
I’m not a big fan of Grant Balfour, but maybe the A’s are ready to dump this contract:
11:$3.75M, 12:$4M, 13:$4.5M club option ($0.35M buyout)
They probably wouldn’t mind unloading the remainder of the 6M owed Josh Willingham also.
Trader, there’s something about Balfour just doesn’t give me a lot of confidence. I’m probably wrong, but, just was never sure of him beyond a fastball that comes and goes.
GB-
He does have the virtue of being an Aussie.
Thanks YT. This place has just been too chaotic and tedious to sift through for me to spend too much time around here lately.
Bronx, I was in the 28th row.
nice pix JCPD…thanks for sharing
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am
GB-
He does have the virtue of being an Aussie.
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If I wanted Aussie imports, I’d choose Helen Reddy, Olivia Newton-John and Judith Durham and the Seekers.
austinmac-don’t worry, I’m not going to post every jury selection tweet. I realize it’s a pretty boring process. If one sticks out a bit, I post it.
I can tell you though that if he did reaggravate his shoulder, he did it on his swings because he didn’t make any crazy plays in the field. I was under the assumption that he had been swinging the bat and was a batter in the sim game for Colon over at the minor league complex so I don’t know how it didn’t bother him sooner. Unless he rehurt himself throwing the ball from CF to the infield.
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Thanks, ty. I hope this isn’t a Justin Upton type shoulder thing in the making.
Niemann vs Colon-like the Yankees in this one.
Hellickson vs Garcia- after seeing 95mph fastballs with movement, the rays might be offstride against garcia and his split finger.
Price vs AJ- tough matchup for Yankees but Yankees thrive in day games and against lefties, best in majors.
Shields vs CC- Ace vs Ace-Also a day game.
3 out of 4, but possibility of sweep if starters give us 7 quality innings.
Go Yankees!!!
GB-
I could see you making your “pitch” for them.
I’ll go with Elle McPherson.
Glad you enjoyed kate
YT-
Not to burst your bubble or anything but 2 of 4 is the most likely outcome.
Erin,
No post censorship from me. I can’t watch lawyer shows on TV either. Post for your and others pleasure.
I would prefer, however, you posting of the Yankees acquiring a great player for very little. Contact your sources and get on that please.
24 days until the 7/31 trading deadline. Opposed to other teams in races, the Yankees have resources in the system to fill needs.
If any of Soriano, Feliciano, or Marte return healthy then so much to the better.
Vineyard Yankee July 7th, 2011 at 1:28 am
REPOST:
Chad:
Can you please fill us in on the report made by Pedro Gomez during the ESPN broadcast tonight about Hughes having a procedure done in April to remove a cyst from his labrum.
I can’t recall you ever posting anything about this. Is that the root to Hughes being on the DL with his loss of velocity ?
Thanks in advance for sharing.
Elle Mcpherson, Abbie Cornish, Kylie Minogue.
Hugh Jackman for my wife.
As YT, I’ll trade one Jackman for 2 of the above.:)
The average percent of strike outs which are looking has been 25% for MLB for the past 5 years. Its a very passive outcome for a hitter, because to do it they have to already have taken 2 strikes and then not swing the bat to protect.
JCPD,
Oh yeah? 28th row? Well maybe you can FedEx me your camera for tomorrow’s game.
I think I can make out the laces on the ball that Cano missed.
Ummm..best Aussie clearly goes to Hugh Jackman.
austinmac- LOL I’ll do my best.
MTU-
OK, realist-which 2 games do the Yankees win? lol
I called Elle Mcpherson 1st!!
Hell Bronx, if I had the day off from work and a ticket, I’d drive down and meet you for the game.
For a second I thought you wanted to trade your wife for Hugh Jackman.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Bronx Jeers-
LMAO. No thanks!! I think I just pulled an “Obligatory” Oblique laughing too hard!!
‘because to do it they have to already have taken 2 strikes and then not swing the bat to protect’.
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‘Taking’ the first two strikes as well ? ? Foul balls and swinging strikes don’t count in your stat fantasy bible I guess ?
Gotta go. Have a great day all.
‘Taking’ the first two strikes as well ? ? Foul balls and swinging strikes don’t count in your stat fantasy bible I guess ?
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Useless strawman
No of course the batter can get strikes in multiple ways but its much more difficult to get strike 3 called. Not only is the batter actively trying to prevent that, but it has been proven that strike zones shrink with each strike called. (and expand with each ball called, umpires are silly).
YT-
To quote Yogi. The 2 that they don’t lose.
Elle is mine. She was designated for assignment and I claimed her off of waivers first.
Them’s the breaks.
The dogs are callin’. And no, I don’t mean my feet or the neighborhood cougars.
Yankees Among players with 75% of their games at shortstop, Jeter’s 479 doubles are 3rd most, behind Cal Ripken (603) and Joe Cronin (515). #DJ3K
Strawman ? Ok got that one. I guess when someone calls you for not writing you own post correctly (not writing what they really mean) they are a Strawman, whatever. Funny how you resort to name calling when you get corrected.
Your first post said:
‘because to do it they have to already have taken 2 strikes’…………….
‘Taking’ strikes (a pitch) means letting it go past, ‘called strikes’. Taking a pitch (strike) is not a swinging strike or a foul ball. A batter needs to swing to achieve a swinging strike or to foul a pitch off. You must have read the wrong chapter in your stat geek bible .
Irrelevant to the discussion.
What a tender scene it must have been back at the team’s hotel last night, with Joe Girardi gently consoling his favorite son, “Little Sergy”.
He doesn’t understand the game; nothing new. He foolishly thinks statistics are infallible when evaluating athletic performance. It’s sad.
How a batter gets strike 1 and strike 2 doesn’t matter in the argument. Its about how easy or hard it is for a pitcher to then catch a batter looking for strike 3. Which is very hard, given the rates.
Pitchers have thrown 110842 pitches in the AL this year. 31036 of them are called strikes. Only 2123 of those strikes were called strike 3.
so 6% of all called strikes come on strike 3. But its so easy right?
Of course it is when you get called for writing nonsense in your prior post and resort to childish analogies. After all you are the one who wrote it. Nuff said.
Your tactic of using vineyard yankee to try and derail a discussion you clearly didn’t think through, then showing up to try and dismiss it completely is very transparent. Especially when you’re clearly wrong. Unless you’d like to actually talk baseball and try and reason your way out of this. Tell me all about how strike 3 is easy to get.
West Coast Yankee Fan July 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
In the games that I watch there are called strikes and swinging strikes. Is there a new game to watch that I am unaware of ?
Imagine not being able to understand the human element in sports – just a computer.
Not even close to what is being discussed.
I’ll admit I have never been the biggest fan of Hughes, and may be a little more impatient with him than I am with other Yankees. Perhaps it is because his mechanics bring back bad memories of Andy Hawkins…or perhaps because I tire of the excuses. Whatever.
Anyway, I would love to see Cashman offer him, Nova, and Cujo to Oakland for either Brett or Gio. We’d get that second lefty in YS that is always so valuable, and go 3 strong in play-offs with CC, Colon, and Gio/Brett.
YESNetwork Field of Dreams 2 parody delivers big laughs: http://bit.ly/phi88q
Anyway, I would love to see Cashman offer him, Nova, and Cujo to Oakland for either Brett or Gio.
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Can’t do it for Anderson. That kid is made of glass. For Gonzalez? That’s a lot, but Gonzalez is turning out to be a pretty good LHP.
Blake
do u have a link to Jeet’s comments to Nuney according to Kim?
# BoJo July 7th, 2011 at 10:32 am
I’ll admit I have never been the biggest fan of Hughes, and may be a little more impatient with him than I am with other Yankees. Perhaps it is because his mechanics bring back bad memories of Andy Hawkins…or perhaps because I tire of the excuses. Whatever.
Anyway, I would love to see Cashman offer him, Nova, and Cujo to Oakland for either Brett or Gio. We’d get that second lefty in YS that is always so valuable, and go 3 strong in play-offs with CC, Colon, and Gio/Brett.
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I’ve never been the biggest fan of Hughes either. I’ve always been a Joba guy. Hopefully Phil can build on what he did last night. He was far from terrible but at the same time there are still things he has to work on.
I’m not sure Hughes has much trade value atm. He is coming back from injury and is already in arbitration.
Trade Nova and Hughes for a sack of onions.
They’re both worthless.
Everybody knows that.
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Pardon me but the discussion I brought up was about you post of ”taking pitches’ which is when I asked about fouls balls and swinging strikes.
Now you say WCYF is using me to derail a discussion ? I was on here way before WC was today so don’t start with your childish BS finger pointed. Using me, yeah right kiddo.
Just a rant….
Why are we demoting legit prospects like Schaeffer Hall a 23 LHP who made his AAA debut the other day and threw very well to make space on the roster for Buddy Carlysle a 33yr old AAAA journeyman reliever????
Why?!?!?!
Erin-
LOL! Great movie!
Pardon me but the discussion I brought up was about you post of ”taking pitches’ which is when I asked about fouls balls and swinging strikes.
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The sentence which I said about taking pitches was about the passivity of taking a called third strike, how the batter gets to strike 2 does not matter. Its a completely irrelevant nitpick. Neither you nor WCYF have yet to offer compelling evidence regarding the ease or difficulty of strike 3.
VY-
It appears we will not be getting an answer to the question ?
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 10:39 am
I’m not sure Hughes has much trade value atm. He is coming back from injury and is already in arbitration.
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Good points…but let Cashman figure it out–even if it takes a third team.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Does garlic come on the side with the onions ?
I just hope Jeter continues to drive the ball…
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Trade Nova and Hughes for a sack of onions.
They’re both worthless.
Everybody knows that.
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Gio is hardly a sack of onions.
VY-
Garlic is useful for fending off Warewolves.
That, and silver bullets are frequently needed around here.
“Neither you nor WCYF have yet to offer compelling evidence regarding the ease or difficulty of strike 3.”
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A nonsensical point.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am
It reminds of asking about DePaula several months ago. Maybe Chad is unaware or didn’t watch the ESPN broadcast last night.
I did to get a break from Michael Kay. Nomar was not a very good color guy.
Trade Nova and Hughes for a sack of onions.
They’re both worthless.
Everybody knows that.
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Hughes should just retire already, he’s terrible
Bojo-
I was just trying to be comical. I see I failed.
To answer your point though I would never give up both of those guys for Gio.
Way too much IMO.
Nomar is. But his only color is red. Unfortunately.
A nonsensical point.
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How so? You seem to think that ‘strike 3 is the hardest to get called’ is a stupid statement. Either its only stupid in its obviousness or you disagree. I’ve already shown how few called strikes are strike 3 (and of the 22259 PA which go to 2 strikes, only 10% end with a called third strike), so please expound upon your statement. So you either agree with me, or you should now tell me why I am so stupid for saying that getting a called third strike is more difficult than strike 1 and 2.
‘how the batter gets to strike 2 does not matter’.
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Except now you say that which you didn’t prior. You said ‘taking pitches’. Hey, you made a typo or a mistake so big deal, moving on………………
They both should retire. For chrissakes they’re both over 24. Ancient. They’re all washed up.
‘Hughes should just retire already, he’s terrible’
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Yeah, why did he even come off of the DL ? Now he screwed everything up in Yankeeland !
Despite what Cashman has said they have to at least consider the possibility that Hughes is best suited for bullpen work. It’s not a sin and he was tremendous in that role.
Nova to the rotation and Hughes to the pen is the cheapest most effective and probably significant addition(s) to the pitching staff they could make.
Jerkface your obsessive compulsion to view of the game through the prism of statistics is a disease. There is no point. You just don’t get it, you are not capable.
…to view the game
Dodging, transparent. Glad you agree with me that strike 3 is harder to get.
86-
I hope that is not what happens because that constitutes failure in some way and weakens the team overall (better to have two good young starters).
That said, I am sure they will consider it if Hughes does not progress.
But I think he will.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Silver bullets ? ? In cold silver cans with those blue mountain thingies on them ? ?
Fending off werewolves ? ? How do the ‘mops’ earn their keep ? ?
Or should I say, I hope he will.
Strike three–It seems obvious that strike three is the most difficult to get since batters are apt to take strike one and strike two. What is the controversy?
‘Dodging’……………………………
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Like taking pitches vs. swinging and missing or fouling them off……….LMAO !
VY-
The Mongeeze, as GB so aptly calls them, prefer snake.
Those silver bullets work too. Their action numbs rather than killing which is fine.
Strike three–It seems obvious that strike three is the most difficult to get since batters are apt to take strike one and strike two. What is the controversy?
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WCYF does not understand the obvious. Hiding behind some anti-stat meme when the original statement included none.
Trade Nova and Hughes for Brett Anderson? Wha???? Trade two young starting pitchers for one who is an under .500 pitcher who has always given up more hits than innings pitched.
Really bad idea.
did theyankees sign any international free agents during the july 2nd signing period?
thanks in advance!
Jonathan-
Yes. A guy named Andujar. plays 3rd. Theya are rumored to be interested in several others.
Bojo is on it like white on rice.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 11:01 am
I must have been misinformed I thought the ‘mops’ were multidimensional attack dogs. Werewolves, snakes, gophers, mailmen, deer, possum, the avon lady, bears, strange men, the fuller brush man, bigfoot, the milkman. The ‘mops’ don’t differentiate or do they ?
Trade two young starting pitchers for one who is an under .500 pitcher who has always given up more hits than innings pitched.
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God what a stat nerd
Trade Nova and Hughes for Brett Anderson? Wha???? Trade two young starting pitchers for one who is an under .500 pitcher who has always given up more hits than innings pitched.
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Gio Gonzalez has only given up more hits than innings pitched 1 season. Under in 08, 2010, and 2011. Nova has given up more hits than innings pitched in both years he has pitched.
Hughes would be a good fit for Oakland’s Coliseum, I’d probably do Nova+Hughes for Gio. Even though I hate Gio’s walk rate.
Joba_62 Here to see the boys and hopefully see Jete get his 3000 hit. Also check in with the drs and see my progress!
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Brown rice s the way to go.
VY-
They may be small but they have big hearts.
typo:….s/b: rice is the
VY-
Figer of speech.
JF-
You might but Cashman wouldn’t.
MTU:
I like ‘mops’ much better than Mongeeze. Much more character to go with their big hearts.
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Trade Nova and Hughes for Brett Anderson? Wha???? Trade two young starting pitchers for one who is an under .500 pitcher who has always given up more hits than innings pitched.
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Gio Gonzalez has only given up more hits than innings pitched 1 season. Under in 08, 2010, and 2011. Nova has given up more hits than innings pitched in both years he has pitched.
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Did I misread this ? Nova and Hughes for Anderson and then it goes into Gio ? ? Maybe I need some more coffee.
Patrick July 7th, 2011 at 11:10 am
God what a stat nerd
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There is a difference between basic statistics being used as an occasional guideline and an obsessive, never-ending reliance on mind-numbing metrics.
You might but Cashman wouldn’t.
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I think Cashman would too. Why wouldn’t he? Cashman would balk if he had to include a lot more than Nova+Hughes, but I could totally see him doing that swap.
VY-
I am at the mercy of GB’s naming conventions. It’s not my fault.
He just loves to insult them while “Killer”, who is morally bankrupt, just gets a pass.
It’s an unjust World out there is all I can say.
Did I misread this ?
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I misread it. I wouldn’t trade for Brett Anderson, too injury prone.
“Did I misread this ? Nova and Hughes for Anderson and then it goes into Gio ? ? Maybe I need some more coffee.”
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You didn’t misread anything. My comment was about Anderson.
If Nova and Hughes are so bad that they aren’t worth having around, why in the Hell would Oakland trade such a “world class pitching stud” and certain HOFer for them?
JF-
Because I think Cashman has more sense than that.
IMO he still believes in Hughes potential, and Nova has won 8 games in his 1st real season as a starter.
Gio is a good middle guy but by giving up those 2 you gain a lefty but lose a starter.
The jury is still out on Hughes. Nova has #3 upside if all goes well.
Bad deal at this point IMO.
I understand your knee jerk urge to troll and criticize – next time read Jerkface.
There is a difference between basic statistics being used as an occasional guideline and an obsessive, never-ending reliance on mind-numbing metrics.
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The difference is that the basic statistics you used are meaningless while the so-called “mind-numbing metrics” have actual significance. Thanks for trying
GB-
I think Hughes, Nova, and Banuelos is fairer for Gio.
Maybe Montero too.
I think Hughes, Nova, and Banuelos is fairer for Gio.
Maybe Montero too.
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Include Cano and we’ve got a deal
Hi –
Maybe I’m missing something, but why all the fascination with Gio Gonzalez? Is he the pitching version of David DeJesus?
Why would Cashman make that deal ? ? Throw away his young pitching that he has taken time to develop to add a middle of the rotation guy.
This would add to the log jam we already have in getting out own prospects to the ML’s. (Nova, Noesi, etc. etc. )
The difference is that the basic statistics you used are meaningless while the so-called ?mind-numbing metrics? have actual significance. Thanks for trying
+1. Trying to devalue the use of statistics in evaluationg a player is small minded. Why do you think GM’s, scouts, and everyone else uses them?
There is a difference between basic statistics being used as an occasional guideline and an obsessive, never-ending reliance on mind-numbing metrics.
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You mean Strike 3 isn’t the hardest one to get?
Erin would never forgive me if I included Cano so no deal.
-evaluating. Sorry.
Jerkface July 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Glad you cleared that up thanks.
Patrick July 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
There is a difference between basic statistics being used as an occasional guideline and an obsessive, never-ending reliance on mind-numbing metrics.
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The difference is that the basic statistics you used are meaningless while the so-called “mind-numbing metrics” have actual significance. Thanks for trying
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That’s your opinion and you are wrong. I’ll take a triple slash and know everything I need to.
jimbaumbach U.S. Postal worker who once worked at concessions at RFK Stadium has been cleared as potential juror. That makes 10 now; 16 to go. #clemens
Slow news day.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Erin would never forgive me if I included Cano so no deal.
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You are correct, sir.
Just got in from Cleveland. I naturally didn’t see last night’s ESPN broadcast. I never heard anything about a cyst in Hughes’ shoulder and don’t remember that ever being reported.
MTU July 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Well count me and my (5) ‘diggities dawgs’ as being in the ‘mops’ corner. Cute little buggers you got there.
That?s your opinion and you are wrong. I?ll take a triple slash and know everything I need to
Wow, you’re slow.
Howard July 7th, 2011 at 11:28 am
The difference is that the basic statistics you used are meaningless while the so-called ?mind-numbing metrics? have actual significance. Thanks for trying
+1. Trying to devalue the use of statistics in evaluationg a player is small minded. Why do you think GM’s, scouts, and everyone else uses them?
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It’s actually enlightened. No spreadsheet can replace a pair of trained and experienced human eyes. If that were the case, there would be no need for scouts at games.
That’s your opinion and you are wrong. I’ll take a triple slash and know everything I need to.
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No you’ll take pitcher win % and “know” everything you need to. lol…
Maybe I’m missing something, but why all the fascination with Gio Gonzalez? Is he the pitching version of David DeJesus?
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Gio is just as young as Nova and Hughes and pitching better than either. And he is a lefty. A lefty that strikes out hitters and generates groundballs. With a good fastball! Thats really valuable.
Chad:
Thanks for that update,. Pedro Gomez was the guy. Had me scratching my head after he said that, maybe you could ask around when time allows.
Thanks.
Chad-
Pedro Gomez said it on ESPN last night. Could you check into it please ? Check on his veracity ? I can’t imagine he’d say it on National TV if it weren’t true. If he is wrong he is quite the fool.
Thanks again.
“That?s your opinion and you are wrong. I?ll take a triple slash and know everything I need to”
Except park effects, league effects, run environment…
I wish I had remembered the game was on ESPN last night. That had to have been better than the Cleveland feed.
Per mlbtraderumors.com
The Mets are beginning to accept calls on Carlos Beltran, according to Kevin Kernan of the New York Post and ?people are calling? about the outfielder.
Mell July 7th, 2011 at 11:28 am
There is a difference between basic statistics being used as an occasional guideline and an obsessive, never-ending reliance on mind-numbing metrics.
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You mean Strike 3 isn’t the hardest one to get?
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LOL !
Brett Anderson is also a lefty that throws hard (though his fb was down this year and he died so theres that) that really limits his walks and gets a lot of ground balls, which would also be very valuable in Yankee Stadium.
Of the two I think Beane would probably be open to swapping Brett Anderson because of his injury proneness, but it’d be a risky deal on the Yankees behalf. He is also really young. Hughes+Nova for either of them is intriguing but probably too cheap.
Basically 2 young lefty pitchers with good stuff, who wouldn’t want them? Just depends on the cost (I wouldn’t trade Montero for either)
Joe, this is just as bad as Bret and his agonizing day after day rants and whines on the Dejesus for everybody trades. They’ve taken this BS to beyond boring. Thwo things you can count on in this world is Bojo yammering on about trading 4-6 players for Gonzales and The Dogs Of James trashing Jeter while trumpeting the vitues of Gardner and Mitre. It’s an every day, all day occurance.
Johnny Damon says hi.
He’s the perfect example for the use of advanced statistics.
Just what the Mets would love a bidding war for Beltran.
Let’s not enter the fray please. Let somebody else overpay.
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Patrick July 7th, 2011 at 11:32 am
No you’ll take pitcher win % and “know” everything you need to. lol…
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You have the wrong guy. I don’t think that.
Erin July 7th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Boy you said it. Those Cleveland guys are slow and droll. I get tired of Kay sometimes and like to get the different perspective from the other teams announcers or like last night ESPN.
GreenBeret7 July 7th, 2011 at 11:36 am
“….Two things you can count on in this world is Bojo yammering on about trading 4-6 players for Gonzales….”
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LMAO!
I honestly just walked in the door and turned on my computer. I’ve sent some emails, but my guess is the Yankees might not address the Hughes cyst thing until pregame today. That’s usually how they handle stuff like this. As far as I know, it’s never been reported until Gomez apparently said something last night.
What job other than President and professional athlete allows the public access to their salary and medical information?
I see that there’s another cur from the dog pound to add to the Dogs Of James pack/
‘(though his fb was down this year and he died so theres that)’
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Died ? ? What the f……… ? Is that a new term for being on the DL.
New Post: Pitching matchups vs. Rays
GreenBeret7 July 7th, 2011 at 11:36 am
“….Two things you can count on in this world is Bojo yammering on about trading 4-6 players for Gonzales….”
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OMG !……………LMAO!………….Too funny !
You have the wrong guy. I don’t think that.
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Dude you just quoted Brett Anderson’s win % like it meant something
Patrick July 7th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I think you are confusing WCYF and Jerkface,
I believe the stat he was misusing was ‘hits per 9′, but maybe its a package deal and he created a new advanced stat WIN%+H/9? Because hits per 9 by itself isn’t the sign of a bad pitcher.
Chad-
“As far as I know, it’s never been reported until Gomez apparently said something last night.”
And that is part of my point. Why not ? And how did he obtain that info. when no one else seems to have ?
Whatever light you are able to shed on it will be most appreciated. I understand you’re busy.
Thanks.
I am not confusing WCYF and Jerkface.
“Trade Nova and Hughes for Brett Anderson? Wha???? Trade two young starting pitchers for one who is an under .500 pitcher who has always given up more hits than innings pitched.
Really bad idea.”
I agree with the conclusion but quoting win rate as a reason? Fail
I believe the stat he was misusing was ‘hits per 9?, but maybe its a package deal and he created a new advanced stat WIN%+H/9? Because hits per 9 by itself isn’t the sign of a bad pitcher.
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Sounds like a Jim Bowden stat