Pitching matchups vs. Jeter
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 07, 2011 
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Derek Jeter’s not a big scouting report guy. Apparently he never has been. Even three hits away from No. 3,000, Jeter left Cleveland last night with absolutely no idea which pitchers he was about to face during this four-game series against the Rays.
“I don’t look ahead,” he said. “I know we play Tampa. I’m not exactly sure who we face, in what order. We’ve got four games, so we see all of them pretty much. I learned a long time ago that you can get into trouble if you look too far ahead.”
Here’s how Jeter’s done against the four Rays starters he’ll be facing this series.
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Tonight: RHP Jeff Niemann
5-for-9 with two doubles, a walk and a strikout
.556/.600/.778
Niemann is a big guy with a fastball in the low 90s and a curveball that he throws pretty often. He’s made only nine starts this season because of a lower back strain.
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Friday: RHP Jeremy Hellickson
1-for-2 with no extra-base hits or strikeouts
.500/.500/.500
Obviously a pretty meaningless sample size against the Rays young right-hander. Hellickson has been awfully good in his first full season as a big league starter.
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Saturday: LHP David Price
6-for-26 with a home run, a double, five strikeouts and three walks
.240/.321/.400
One of the best left-handers in baseball, Price is an all-star — at the expense of CC Sabathia — and has pitched well, but the Yankees had some success when they faced him in May. Jeter went 0-for-3 that day.
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Sunday: RHP James Shields
17-for-54 with a double, a home run, a walk and eight strikeouts
.315/.327/.389
Shields has been tremendous this season, but he’s lost two in a row. Jeter’s had some success getting hits against him in the past, but the last time he faced Shields, Jeter struck out three times.
Pretty good numbers against those guys.
Since these pitchers are pretty young I assume they are recent, so they have more meaning than traditional career stats.
This morning some folks were asking about a report that Phil Hughes had a cyst removed from his right shoulder. I didn’t see it, but apparently it was reported on the ESPN broadcast last night that Hughes had the cyst removed in April.
Brian Cashman says it’s absolutely not true. He emailed a cut-and-dry three-word response.
“He did not.”
jerkface, thanks for the link to the joe pos story on jeter. he is a great writer. love to read him.
That’s why they call ESPN, BSPN.
Cashman rules
Thanks Chad.
Ideally he gets a hit a day to build up the tension/excitement
I just wish I didn’t have to listen to the Tampa Bay broadcasts… the whiniest guys on balls/strikes in the world
Thanks Chad.
I would like to see this Pedro Gomez report.
Still unsure if MTU was hallucinating or not.
Thanks Chad.
Why does that not surprise me re: ESPN??
I just wish I didn’t have to listen to the Tampa Bay broadcasts… the whiniest guys on balls/strikes in the world
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This is going to kill my enjoyment of Jeter’s 3000th hit!
4 games to get 3 hits? Seems like he has a great chance to do it.
Thanks Jerkface for the Joe Pos link.
Ideally, Jeter gets the 3000th hit for a walk-off win and they pie him while he is celebrated for the hit.
How much you want to bet Suzyn Waldman cries when Jeter gets his 3000th hit?
Ideally, Jeter gets the 3000th hit for a walk-off win and they pie him while he is celebrated for the hit.
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Ideally it will be a slow roller thats misplayed by the third baseman, and they have to wait for the official scorer to decide if its a hit. And then he changes it to an error the next inning so that we can get double celebrations!
“How much you want to bet Suzyn Waldman cries when Jeter gets his 3000th hit?”
Oh my goodness gracious.
Isn’t ‘Pedro Gomez’ spanish for ‘Peter Gammons’?
Haha. We all caught that on the broadcast. Of course no one in the production bothered to correct him. Pretty gross error.
I think there was a thought they might have to unbundle the vessels near the top of his ribcage. But it turned out there was no issue there.
It really was much easier following Barry Bonds around, huh, Pedro?
I knew ESPN didn’t get their facts straight – I was suspicious last night of that report.
The matchups are meaningless for me. All I know is that this is the most joyless pursuit of a record ……well, I guess Bonds’ was, but this is in 2nd place. All I hear and read about is how bad Jeter is now……how he doesn’t match up to 95% of the players on the career 3000 hit list (this was a thing on WFAN yesterday), etc…. Depressing.
That really depresses you, Betsy?
Tom in N.J. July 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Isn’t ‘Pedro Gomez’ spanish for ‘Peter Gammons’?
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They even look a bit alike….
If MTU was hallucinating I must have been too.
I have only been checking back in every hour or so, and at the risk of stirring up a hornets nest let me just say I am very happy to see nobody fighting on this post.
Kumbaya.
Betsy,
Look at this: http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/.....-3000-hits
(repost)
Meanwhile, where’s Nuney? If he’s healthy, as hot as he was, he needs to be playing somewhere.
Rich, what depresses me? Yeah, I get you are into being “realistic” – and that’s fine, but getting to 3000 hits is a serious accomplishment and there should be some joy involved. I don’t think it’s necessary to throw cold water on everything Jeter is or isn’t………
Isn’t ‘Pedro Gomez’ spanish for ‘Peter Gammons’?
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95% of 3,000 hit club would love to trade shoes with Derek Jeter.
TJQuinnESPN Before dismissed, pros juror got off this gem: “Even members of Congress lie to Congress and nobody prosecuted them.”
Tom, thanks for posting – I saw that yesterday and it was a nice read
Betsy
You said “Depressing.”
I was just wondering if you are really letting mediots get you down?
You should enjoy it and filter out the bs.
As for me, only my own interactions can get to me. I mean, Tot Mom is getting out next week and though I think it’s a miscarriage of justice, it has nothing to do with my life, so whatever.
Just harkening back to previous conversations, Phil isn’t being traded at this time – he just doesn’t have a lot of value. I don’t see why Oakland would trade Gio Gonzalez – unless they are just going to keep developing these guys and never even attempt to sign them.
As I think I read somewhere, Phil looked like a major league starter last night – as opposed to early in the year – but he looked like he did in the 2nd half. I think the Yankees will have patience with him as I believe they are committed to him…..I don’t think I can say the same for fans. I would just be happy, and I think the team would as well, if he’s solid.
Chad:
Thanks for the prompt followup on the ESPN report (BS). Must be great to have friends in high places. You da man !
That Posnanski article on Jeter is as good as it gets.
When I moved to Georgia, one of the things I missed least was WFAN. Now, Jersey pizza, good bread and open liquor stores on Sunday are completely different matters.
Anyone know how to get Pedro Gomez’ email ? ?
Rich, really a figure of speech. I don’t get depressed about it, but I just think it’s too bad that this isn’t being more celebrated. Even Jeter, who never reveals anything, has indicated that he can’t find a ton of joy in this because of all the negativity. I haven’t even read the papers recently – just have no interest in it – I guess I’m referring mostly to what I hear on sports radio.
I’m sure, though, that when the moment happens, it will be fantastic.
More celebrated? Ugh, terrible English, lol
Posnanski wrote an article on Jeter? I guess I can go check that out.
TJQuinnESPN Before dismissed, pros juror got off this gem: “Even members of Congress lie to Congress and nobody prosecuted them.”
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Like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 – Capt. Willard
Betsy
I think Jeter is finding plenty of joy no matter what he says. If he wasn’t able to filter out distractions, he never would have reached this level.
Bronx Jeers July 7th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
MTU is not hallucinating. I watched and saw Gomez on the ESPN broadcast last nite as well. ‘A cyst removed from his labrum in April’ he said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdtn0Z4o8cM
classic suzan
How on earth is Price an All Star and not CC – how many guys have a better ERA than Price? Shocking…
Would anyone be willing to support a petition to drop the idiotic Girardi pet-names?
For example…”Nuney”. “Al”. My personal fave: Cervy…
Vineyard Yankee,
There’s an ombudsman at the Espn site.
tomingeorgia – how do you survive there?
The nicknames are beyond obnoxious.
Anyone heard this ? ? From ESPN…..(BS-ESPN)
‘Though Rodriguez said his right knee is improving, there is a chance the issue might keep him from participating in Tuesday’s All-Star Game, New York Post reports. The report notes that Rodriguez originally tweaked his knee back on June 19 and hasn’t been running well since.
Rodriguez was spotted in the clubhouse Wednesday with an ice pack strapped to the knee, but there’s no talk of his availability leading up to the All-Star break being in jeopardy. If Rodriguez does pull out of Tuesday’s game, it presumably would be to simply rest his aches and pains, as he has also had some shoulder issues this season’.
Betsy
Jerkface posted a link to the Joe Pos article on the previous post…well worth the read.
I thought everybody in Georgia made their own moonshine?
Joe from LI,
It’s hard, but if you drive fifty miles, you can find a Greek-owned pizzeria and a real Italian bakery. As for liquor stores, plan ahead.
A-rod should pull out of the ASG.
Chad-
Thank you for digging into that for us.
Do you have any idea at all why Gomez would say that ?
A complete fabrication ? Misunderstood something somebody said ? Ran with a story w/o
fact checking with the Yankees ?
Actually, I find it kind of amazing if not true. He’s a lousy reporter at best and a complete fool and fraud at worst.
It’s either that, or Cashman is full of it. I’m gonna choose to believe Cashman.
What a joke of a reporter that guy is.
Bronx,
I don’t make my own, but I know where to get some prime stuff. Always impresses Yankee visitors!
Most ESPN ‘reporters’ aren’t reporters at all. They rarely scoop anything. I guess they are like ESPN re-tweeters.
If the ESPN report is accurate, Phil should have a scar of some sort, right? So reporters could probably see that.
Though Rodriguez said his right knee is improving, there is a chance the issue might keep him from participating in Tuesday’s All-Star Game, New York Post reports
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Saw something about that earlier today. I thought it looked like he was in a little pain as he was getting up after the play where Martin Cervelli’d the ball into left field.
I hope the Yankees get in touch with Gomez and set him straight.
Why not ask him to correct himself publicly ? What an absolute crock.
Hip, shoulder and knee. No wonder he hasnt hit a homerun in quite sometime. Im still hopeful he continues the 30 homerun 100 rbi record going. Do you guys think he will?
There is no point in playing in the game.
This article is pretty darn good too. I linked it on facebook and challenged all the haters to still hate on Jeter. And of course, they did.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6742913
I don’t make my own, but I know where to get some prime stuff. Always impresses Yankee visitors!
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Yankee visitors? Which ones!! I bet ya AJ sucks that stuff down like mother’s milk.
Kate, thanks! I’ll go read it – probably later tonight.
m July 7th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Vineyard Yankee,
There’s an ombudsman at the Espn site.
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Thanks, I will look into it.
heyman_sux July 7th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Would anyone be willing to support a petition to drop the idiotic Girardi pet-names?
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I was on-board until you said “pet-names”. Well, still on board, just not as excited.
VY-
If you get a response I would appreciate being kept in the loop.
Thanks.
I do think the Yankees last couple drafts have gone against concensus choices. Their top picks have elicited many comments of surprise. Time will tell if they are smart or not. It is way too soon to tell.
I do hope we hear more on international signings. Surely, they aren’t getting outbid on players they like, or are they?
jimbaumbach Current prospective juror being interviewed says he is a Nationals and Phillies fan. Prosecutor: ‘I guess that sets up conflicts some days.’
MTU:
Yes sir. No problemo.
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Erin:
You do all that twitter, facebook stuff rite ? Is Pedro Gomez on one of those ? If you wouldn’t mind checking it out.
Is it just me or does Mr. Gomez have some splainin’ to do ?
I was on-board until you said ?pet-names?. Well, still on board, just not as excited.
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It was part of an effort to be as corny as Girardi. Or Girardi-y
@pedrogomezESPN
Not a lot of action on it. Pedrogomez sucks
Pedro Gomez’ email:
fraud.dumbass@redsawxnation.espn.oops
Vineyard Yankee July 7th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Erin:
You do all that twitter, facebook stuff rite
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Just Twitter. But Jerkface beat me to posting his twitter address for you.
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We can all laugh about it but he should be called on it and forced to provide an explanation IMO.
I hope he does.
Maybe it will make some of those other tabloid clowns posing as journalists think twice.
I gotta run. I’ll catch you all later.
I thought Pedro Gomez’s only job was to camp out in Barry Bond’s yard.?
The New LoHud Common Enemy:
Pedro Gomez.
Hip Hip
that was a nice article too.
Thanks Erin. I don’t do the twitter thing.
That didn’t sound right did it ?
Vote against Pedro. Maybe Nepoleon can knock some sense into him.
(havnt read a word of it yet BTW)
Thanks for the Joe Pos article Jerkface. I’m all choked up now. Actually, I didn’t think I was all that psyched up for the 3K pursuit but now that I started reading this stuff I’m EXCITED!
The man deserves to be celebrated.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeter retired after this year… People in the know say that he is contemplating early retirement and moving on to stage 2. It’s all very hush but it is a possibility….
I gotta say I agree that Pedro Gomez is a chump for making up that story. But when I heard it I was in a weird way relieved, because it meant there was an actual explanation for Hughes’ struggles and dip in velocity. Without an explanation, I worry it will happen again.
What is stage 2? Does he separate from the main booster and ascend into the heavens?
Erin July 7th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
YESNetwork Derek Jeter should be celebrated in every way possible, writes Chris Shearn: http://bit.ly/pXofzl
I love that article.
My suggested Jose Reyes trade:
Detroit gets: Reyes, Angel Pagan and a relief pitcher (Izzy)
NYM get: Austin Jackson, Jhonny Peralta, Rick Porcello, and LHP Prospect Andy Oliver
For Detroit – the immediately upgrade their lineup significantly as well as their defense. The rotation takes a bit of a hit but Porcello has had a fairly blah season thus far. Re-signing Reyes might be tough – but they do have some significant money coming off with Ordonez and Guillen and Mike Illich is not afraid to open up the wallet.
The Mets get two young players they can plug into their lineup right away in Jackson and Porcello. Peralta is simply included to soften the money that would be going to Detroit, but even so the Mets can either play him at 3b until Wright gets back or let him and Ruben Tejada fight it out at SS. Oliver is a nice young pitcher who could probably go into their rotation now too…but next year for sure they would be looking at a rotation of Santana, Pelfrey, Niese, Porcello, Oliver with Dickey and Gee as options too and Mejia on the way. That’s a quick way to start rebuilding your team if you’re Sandy.
jackamir,
A year sooner than I expected. Iv been saying after next season if he continues to struggle at the plate. Hes too proud of an athlete and one of the biggest competitors to accept being mediocre. Do you have inside sources? He seems like a private person that doesnt reveal much to the outside. I cant imagine anyone knowing whats in his head but Minka and parents.
Talked to ESPN in Bristol, CT. They say they have no public emails to give out on any of their reporters. Getting direct information out of them is like pulling teeth. Probably would have had more success calling the FBI.
The only alternative is to write an actual letter to him at:
ESPN Inc.
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT 06010
Or send a general email to ESPN.com and it will be forwarded directly to him.
Pedro Gomez
Support@ESPN.go.com
Hes too proud of an athlete and one of the biggest competitors to accept being mediocre.
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This is the reasoning why I think he’d stick out his entire contract. He would just work tirelessly to stave off aging, refusing to give in.
JF,
If he ends up at the .260 range this year and next year it dips lower than that. I would say he would know the writings on the wall. I would imagine after a .260 2011 season, he would work his tail off to make sure it doesnt happen again. And in the case his hitting continued to decline, he would call it quits IMO.
Jeter may retire, but until any athlete leaves major money on the table, I never believe that they will, particularly because he wanted every last dollar in these past negotiations.
If he hits .260 and manages to score 100+ runs a season, will it matter?
Doubtful he’d leave 16mil a year or however much on the table if he’s still scoring at that level…
swbyankees SWB 1B Jorge Vazquez named as 1 of the 6 Triple-A All-Star reps to participate in the 2011 AAA All-Star HR Derby http://t.co/1fyZFBK
What else does Derek have to accomplish. Its all downhill from here. He could live off his name forever or become a baseball executive.. He has the right temperament and guarded personality that is needed.
Runs score is a team stat.
Reading some of those articles makes me remember that I was excited when Biggio got to 3000, even tho I didn’t really care about the Astros at all…it really is quite an accomplishment, especially to get them all while playing for the same team.
Chip,
If I’m the Mets I demand an all-prospect package from the Tigers so I would want an additional prospect in place of Peralta. If I’m trading my franchise player, I want to do as much rebuilding as possible because the team will sink in his absence as soon as he leaves – any place holder for the 2011 season will not be enough of an impact player to keep the Mets in it.
Rich,
He wanted every last dollar because he felt he was worth it. In his mind last year was a fluke and you couldnt blame him after the year he had in 09. But reality would sink in if it no longer was a glitch but a norm.
Barring a significant injury Derek Jeter is not retiring until the end of his contract.
Name for me, if you will, the last professional athlete to walk away in the middle of a multi-year; multi-million dollar contract because his performance slipped?
Sure, there have been players who left a couple of years before they had to (Andy, Moose, Barry Sanders) but those guys walked away after their contracts ran out. Jeter’s not some mythic figure, not some noble warrior who is going to walk away from his massive paydays because his play isn’t up to our standards. He still believes, and will continue to believe that he has contributions to make to this team and as long as he’s under contract he’s going to keep going out there every day to prove himself right and you wrong. And you know something – he’s 100% right.
He wanted a multi year deal – he’s not walking away until he finishes it out.
jackamir July 7th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeter retired after this year… People in the know say that he is contemplating early retirement and moving on to stage 2. It’s all very hush but it is a possibility
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And there’s a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you. No way he is thinking about retirement right now, mid-season in a pennant race, and no way anybody knows what he’s thinking that would let it leak.
Chip July 7th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Barring a significant injury Derek Jeter is not retiring until the end of his contract.
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agreed.
SoS
If it’s accepted CW that a player should get more if he performs well in his contract year, why isn’t the accepted CW that he should get less if he performs poorly, especially if he is entering his late 30s?
there was the guy who played for the Royals whose name escaped me at the moment
Bret -
I think with the money going back to Detroit the Mets are going to have to take some cash back. Perralta’s not a terrible player, nor is he exceptionally expensive; and the Mets can always spin him off somewhere else for a prospect down the line.
Getting three young prospect/players in Porcello, Jackson and Oliver is a pretty good haul for a player they’re going to have to sign to a major contract in 3 months or watch walk out the door.
Chip – Gil Meche.
Meche
Kate -
Brian Bannister?
In reality this team needs a new infusion of talent. They will contend but come up a bit short in the end. I have been a yankee fan for 60 yrs. & I watch every game but truthfully I don’t see them winning it all.
Chip July 7th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Gil Meche the pitcher for the Royals who left $ 12 plus million on the table because he said he couldn’t preform at a high enough level to earn his paycheck. I believe he even said he didn’t want to take the Royals’ money.
SoS and Hip Hip –
As I said, barring major injury.
Gil Meche’s back was garbage by the time he retired and continuing to play could have left him with significant issues going forward.
Derek Jeter is not Gil Meche. And its not as if the Yankees couldnt afford to eat a contract (i.e. Kei Igawa).
Meche retired in part bc his contract was crippling KC. And he sucked
Rich,
Not sure what CW mean. I think in Jeters case, it was the first year hes had his avg. drop that much and could argue his track record to get what he thought he deserved. He is/was a career .300 hitter and now a multiple gold glove winner with no competition at the shortstop position.
2010 was an aboration.
Jeter’s not going anywhere until the Yankees have somebody who is a better at SS than he is.
Maybe then he might consider retiring early. And no I don’t want Reyes.
VY -
Meche couldn’t play anymore. The back injuries knocked him out more than anything else.
If Derek was injured in such a way that the only role he could have was as a part time player (Meche’s only option was to pitch out of the pen at that stage) then I could see him walking away too…as I said, barring a major injury.
Jeter’s not going anywhere until the Yankees have somebody who is a better at SS than he is.
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How would they acquire or develop another SS if he’s still here?
Had Meche stuck around you’re talking about a guy who would have been pitching middle relief for a team going nowhere.
In Jeter’s case you’re talking about the everyday short stop of the Yankees. And yes, as long as he’s under contract Jeter is going to be the everyday short stop of the Yankees.
Rasheed Wallace.
yeah Meche was the guy…I overlooked your “barring major injury” part
Retiring with a lifetime BA over .300 and walking away on his own terms does sound like Jeter the Captain.
LGY July 7th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Jeter’s not going anywhere until the Yankees have somebody who is a better at SS than he is.
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How would they acquire or develop another SS if he’s still here?
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You can develop a player while another player is in the majors…happens quite often in fact.
This is nuts. There is no way Jeter retires before the end of this deal. It would surprise me if he didn’t exercise his fourth year. When all is said and done this is going to be one of the worst contracts handed out. I know some of you are going bonkers right now but that’s just the truth.
Jeter has been a great player for the Yankees. Hes been on great teams, accomplished a lot of things, and even been robbed of an MVP or two during his day. That doesn’t change what he is right now: a below replacement level baseball player. If you want to pay someone $15M to say the right things (“I am just trying to win games”), pat guys on the ass when they have a bad day, or get their uniform dirty then you’re insane.
Hip -
‘Sheed was a FA
I’m just playing around. I know actually naming a player who walked away was not your point, Chip.
You can develop a player while another player is in the majors…happens quite often in fact.
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How?
Playing once in a while like Nunez?
SoS
Common wisdom.
But his SLG was also down in 2008, which caused his OPS+ to be league average (102). Some people blamed injuries, but since it only returned in 2009 only to disappear again, who knows? SLG and AVG are in large part a function of hitting LD, and that has been a problem.
As for what he deserves, normally, that’s decided by the market, and since there were no other reported comparable offers (not even close) to what the Yankees offeredf Jeter, his view of what he deserves was unsupportable.
From Celticsblog.com:
“The Boston Celtics’ expected rebuilding began Thursday when veteran forward Rasheed Wallace officially decided to retire after 15 NBA seasons, a league source said.
Wallace signed a three-year, $18.9 million contract with Boston last summer, turning down offers from Orlando and San Antonio after the Celtics made a team-wide push to recruit him, sending Coach Doc Rivers, GM Danny Ainge and forwards Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Wallace’s home to ask him to play in Boston. He left more than $12 million on the table by opting to retire.”
Retiring with a lifetime BA over .300 and walking away on his own terms does sound like Jeter the Captain.
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Jeteresk
I just think he would know if hes hurting the team and has made plenty of money on his last contract to keep him hanging around if hes dragging down the team and hindering their success.
Jeters contract = 3 years 16 mil
Jeters name and reputation = PRICELESS
SoS…glad you’re feeling better today BTW
I think if Jeter’s numbers end up really bad at the end of the season again he will overhaul his swing and try a completely different approach.
He is not the type of guy to give up. He will always think until his last game that he can figure out a way to perform.
Jeter’s name and reputation are largely safe no matter how he finishes his career.
LGY July 7th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
You can develop a player while another player is in the majors…happens quite often in fact.
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How?
Playing once in a while like Nunez?
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Player doesn’t have to be developed playing in the majors. You develop a player until you feel he’s ready and then he replaces the guy in the majors.
For example the Brewers had Lyle Overbay at 1b, developed Prince Fielder in the minors and then when Fielder was ready to come up they moved Overbay.
The Yankees could develop a ss in the minors with an eye on him debuting in the majors when Derek’s contract runs out – might be what they’re doing with Montero/Posada.
Jeter retiring would be admitting defeat.
Have you ever heard him say anything even resembling a modicum of doubt in his ability?
Jeteresk
I just think he would know if hes hurting the team and has made plenty of money on his last contract to keep him hanging around if hes dragging down the team and hindering their success.
Jeters contract = 3 years 16 mil
Jeters name and reputation = PRICELESS
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The correct term is “Jeterian”
But no seriously, he’s not gonna leave the money. And it won’t matter because no one (except maybe Jeter) seriously thought he would even come close to putting up numbers worthy of the contract he received.
Chip,
Tar said that Jeter won’t retire until they have a SS better than him.
How will the Yankees know if this “developed” player is better than Jeter without playing everyday in the major leagues?
SoS
Playing when they had nothing left did not hurt the reputations of guys like Ripken, Gwynn or Maddux – just to name a few.
Or Mattingly for that matter.
LGY – excellent point.
LGY -
Well the notion that the Yankees are going to develop a SS better than Jeter is as silly as the notion that the closer who replaces Mo will be better than him – so let’s get that out of the way.
I’m just pointing out that the development of a player does not have to be done at the major league level.
LGY
Jeter will let you know.
They will likely trade for Jeter’s replacement.
Chip,
How is that silly?
The reference point is developing a player than what Jeter is *right now.* It has nothing to do with his past career.
And again, I was responding in the context of Tar’s post.
I guess a lot of you we not around as Cal R. played out his contract in his declining years…….Then again there wasn’t as many smart baseball forums back then…..
PeterBotte Apparently, Jeter is three away… from tying Tony Lazzeri for eighth place on the Yanks’ all-time RBI list. (Wait, that’s not it?)
The Met Dr. —–Reyes should sit out 3 weeks, sure the Mets fall out of the race and they can trade him before the deadline…. He’s healthy and they can plunder another teams best prospects…
LGY,
Thats why I give him until the end of the 2012 season. He will overhaul his swing and work his tail off. If that doesnt work, then what?
Erin,
Thanks. I guess that was one TMI moment that alot of people here wish it was never mentioned. It was like chalkboard scratching for men.
They will likely trade for Jeter?s replacement.
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Bingo.
It’s not as if Troy Tulowitski is coming up through the farm. If he is, its cause the Yankes tanked it for a few seasons and got lucky in the draft. But barring that, there is a lot of value in a SS who scores 100 runs a season. There’s no sense in removing that guy from the lineup unless you have a surefire thing in place
Chip
Rasheed had 1 more yr on his contract.
Pedro Gomez: “Did I say, ‘Cyst removed’? Oops, I meant, ‘Cavity filled’. Sorry about the confusion.”
If Nunez wasn’t a disaster in the field (something he has been his entire career) then I wouldn’t be opposed to him taking the reigns from Jeter. He has one or two less XBH and Jeter has 160 more at bats than him.
RiverAveBlues More Burnetts for everyone. RT @cheist: #NatsWTOP I am hearing the #Yankees have a stong interest in the #Nats Sean Burnett
have a cigar July 7th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Pedro Gomez: ?Did I say, ?Cyst removed?? Oops, I meant, ?Cavity filled?. Sorry about the confusion.?
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Do you think the Yanks would let Beltran go to the Red Sox? I think they are laying in the weeds and will make an offer for Beltran late and I hope Gardner goes in the package.
Chip July 7th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Bret -
I think with the money going back to Detroit the Mets are going to have to take some cash back.
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I don’t think you have to when you’re trading a franchise player wrapped up on an MVP rase and wearing a shortstop bow tie.
I think Jeter and Posada have spoiled us Yankee fans. Shortstop and catcher were never really offensive positions. Now we not only need replacements for those players. But ones that can hit for power and avg.
edit: wrapped up IN an MVP RACE
For all we know Jeter’s replacement may not even be in the organization right now. When Jeter’s contract is up the Yankees might well go out and acquire a Hanley Ramirez or Asdrubal Cabrera.
Maybe they sign some stud out of the Dominican or Cuba who shoots up the organizational depth chart.
In any case – Derek’s not retiring until the contract runs out. Speculating other is a waste of time…but it’s your time and I respect your right to waste it as you see fit.
Organic Chemistry summer crash course has fried my brain.
jimbaumbach “I’ve never received hate mail like I have since I started representing him,” Rusty Hardin said, pointing over to Roger Clemens.
Do you think the Yanks would let Beltran go to the Red Sox? I think they are laying in the weeds and will make an offer for Beltran late and I hope Gardner goes in the package.
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Why on earth would they trade Gardner for a couple months of Beltran?
jackamir….Boston needs pitching….GB, pool service has arrived sporting tangerine orange that must glow in the dark…..
Jackamir,
I hope the Yankees are laying in the weeds for Beltran. But, I doubt it.
SoS July 7th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I think Jeter and Posada have spoiled us Yankee fans. Shortstop and catcher were never really offensive positions. Now we not only need replacements for those players. But ones that can hit for power and avg.
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Absolutely. It’s no secret that the dynasty years were fueled by Jeter/Posada/Bernie. Up the middle production is something very few teams get – the one’s that do, are usually better for it
wacka,
Didnt Jeter have like a 100 errors early in his minor league years? Nunez problem is mostly his throwing not his fielding. As long as we dont have Knoblauch as his personal fielding coach. It can only get better.
better living thru chemistry, Bret?
Asdrubal Cabrerra becomes a FA at the end of 2013or 2014 IIRC. Trade target the year before he reaches FA status.
I RESPECT chemists but I don’t envy them. They end up drug company slaves or expert public servants. There seems to be no middle ground there.
I did General Chem, now Organic Chem. One more (BioChem) and I’m done with it.
WOOOHOOOO!!!
New Post w/lineup
“The Yankees have strong interest in Sean Burnett.” I get he is left-handed, but why? I prefer theyhave strong interest in someone good.
Re: Intl FA signings
No significant changes to report today in top 40 FAs….Yankees still have only signed 1. Cleveland, Cubs, Toronto have been very aggressive.
I’ll post list again when another top 40 signs.
Overall, very frustrating waiting for Yankees to make move.
Chip July 7th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Point being he could have hung around gone on the DL and milked the Royals out of $ 12 million as per his contract. At least he stood up and said he couldn’t do it anymore and said thanks see you all later.