Jeter’s shadow
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 08, 2011 
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Derek Jeter’s pursuit of No. 3,000 is casting a large shadow, obscuring the fact that the Yankees have dropped four of five and have fallen out of first, now trailing the Red Sox by a half game.
Jeter, the consummate win-first, team-first guy, said the mini skid is taking away something from the chase.
“Yeah, it is,” Jeter said. “We’ve been facing some tough pitchers these last few days. Guys step up when they play us, and especially there in Cleveland, a couple guys we’ve faced, they hadn’t thrown the ball well all year. And it doesn’t get any easier with Tampa. We’re playing two tough teams since I’ve been back, and hopefully (Friday) we can come out and score a few more runs.”
Joe Girardi doesn’t feel the 3,000 hoopla has been a distraction to his players.
“I think the guys are going about their business,” Girardi said.
Alex Rodriguez has gone 85 at-bats now without a homer, the longest single-season stretch in his career. He has sent up just 13, although he is batting .295 with 52 RBI. A-Rod turns 36 in 19 days.
Ys Guy,
You are taking credit for your prediction in July? The Braves are 3 games out
arod’s got 6/$189 left on his contract.
…just saying…
The Braves are 3 games out
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..and meeting the Phillies for 3 this weekend.
I agree with Girardi.
Jeter’s quest has nothing to do with the team playing like Sloths, and the pitching not doing it’s job.
if you were going to sign a 35 y/o guyto a 6 year contract and you thought he’d probably go 26 hr/ 100 rbi the first season, how much would you be willing to pay that guy?
AROD does not look like he has his normal bat speed. I think his leg(s) is likely the cause.
Teixiera is not hitting as expected, home runs aside. Jeter is aging, Martin is not hitting, Gardner is not hitting and Montero is currently out.
I believe the Yankees need an offensive addition and have believed that for some time.
Jeter’s quest has nothing to do with the team playing like Sloths, and the pitching not doing it’s job.
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Team’s lost 4 of 5 and in the four losses, the Yankees scored 3 runs twice, 2 runs, and 1 run. Definitely been some pitching failures the past few days, but their piece of the blame pie should be no bigger than the offense’s.
Finally someone in the media has the priorities correct, it’s not about Jeter the individual player, it’s a team sport and it’s about winning the WS, and right now the Yankees are playing like crap! They were on a nice roll with Nunez at SS and Gardner/Swisher leading off, Gordon and Hughes in the rotation, Mitre was still with the Brewers and Dickerson was on the bench, Now?…the whole focus is on a 37 over the hill SS and his individual hits recordm when he can barely hit the ball out of the infield….This whole drama is bringing this team down, and the reluctance of the Yankees to put the best team out on the field is disgusting. You reap what you sow, and right now don’t be surprised if the Yankees go on a long losing streak because they’re so anal retentive and short sighted and it’s all about me, me, me and making sure Jeter’s legacy is intact.
Never mind that $30 mil of the contract that you’re quoting is tied to home run target bonuses.
Sorry Gordon and Nova were in the rotation during their 14-4 roll.
Put a sock in it, Timmy. Your crap was old last night after the first post, let alone the same thing every 5 minutes. Jeter is not the reason for NY losing. It’s a team thing on offense.
Now, run along and you and Lassie go out and find some neighbors to annoy with your whining
MTU-I don’t think it’s fair to put it all on the pitching. The offense seems like it’s gone into another one of their slumbers the past few games.
tie the $30 mil to how often he ties his shoes, its still $30 M. but lets take that out of the equation and pretend he already earned the $30M he’s going to get, would you sign a 35 y/o player whos on pace to go 26/100 to a 6 yr/ $150M contract?
AROD does not look like he has his normal bat speed. I think his leg(s) is likely the cause
Maybe ARod should call Pujous to see what he did to rehab so fast?
RobinsonCano Good morning twitter, how is everyone today? I’m coming on live the Dan Patrick show at 9:35am EST
Grrr….naturally I’m stuck at work. If anyone listens, would you mind giving me a recap??
What Jeter’s quest for 3,000 does is it keeps him in the leadoff role #1, and #2 it keeps the better player Nunez on the bench. Jeter is not a leadoff hitter, period end of story, and Nunez while still shaky on routine defensive plays is the much, much better offensive player and having Jeter in the lineup keeps Nunez’s bat on the bench.
The NHL inserted netting in the corners of the rink to ward off pucks hit into the corners, above the plexiglass, AFTER a young girl was struck and killed by a puck to the head.
The Braves were sued by a woman who suffered a broken nose, when Andruw Jones tossed the last out of the inning into the OF bleachers.
The back of the ticket stub warns all fans that the clubs are not responsible, and that suit went nowhere.
It’s good to see we have a new resident moron. Somebody compared him to Larry but at least Larry hit the return key every now and then.
I particularly love the part when he calls the team “anal retentive”
Word of advice timmy? Try and not use the big boy terms so much. They make you look even dumber.
Hey if you’all are real Yankees fans and you’re ok with this team losing 4 out of 5 and soon to be swept by a much younger, more aggressive, better managed Rays team then more power to ya!
I didn’t put it ALL on the pitching. It’s been great overall.
Mell-
What about Mo’s blown save. It happens but isn’t that a pitching failure ?
And I agree the offense has been the problem more often than the pitching.
bERtIN, there should be a transcript of the Patrick show up on the internet shortly after the interview. When there is, I’ll try to locate it.
Until then, Cano will smile and talk about the tips on hitting and fielding fom Bert and Ernie.
timmyb72 July 8th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Finally someone in the media has the priorities correct, it’s not about Jeter the individual player, it’s a team sport and it’s about winning the WS, and right now the Yankees are playing like crap! They were on a nice roll with Nunez at SS and Gardner/Swisher leading off, Gordon and Hughes in the rotation, Mitre was still with the Brewers and Dickerson was on the bench, Now?…the whole focus is on a 37 over the hill SS and his individual hits recordm when he can barely hit the ball out of the infield….This whole drama is bringing this team down, and the reluctance of the Yankees to put the best team out on the field is disgusting. You reap what you sow, and right now don’t be surprised if the Yankees go on a long losing streak because they’re so anal retentive and short sighted and it’s all about me, me, me and making sure Jeter’s legacy is intact.
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Congratulations. That is the most incoherent load of crap that I have ever seen on this board, which is saying something.
If Tampa is so much better managed, so aggressive and younger than NY, why the Hell are they in 3rd place?
tie the $30 mil to how often he ties his shoes, its still $30 M. but lets take that out of the equation and pretend he already earned the $30M he?s going to get, would you sign a 35 y/o player whos on pace to go 26/100 to a 6 yr/ $150M contract?
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Nope, not likely. You sign him to whatever Paul Konerko is making
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am
bERtIN, there should be a transcript of the Patrick show up on the internet shortly after the interview. When there is, I?ll try to locate it.
Until then, Cano will smile and talk about the tips on hitting and fielding fom Bert and Ernie.
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Thank you GB!!
SamBorden NY Times: A hit for Jeter but little else http://nyti.ms/rdMblm
You’re most welcome, bERtIN. Rumor has it that Cano will be wearing his Bert mittens and Ernie cap on the show, He shows no favoritism.
konerko = 3/$37. what’s the other $120 M for?
By the way, Kudos to Nova for pitching a gem.
He’s taking the demotion in stride and doing exactly what he should to force the Yankees to bring him back.
Hughes better watch his back.
Nice to have the extra depth. Sooner or later he’ll be needed. The way he is pitching sooner would be better.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 9:30 am
You?re most welcome, bERtIN. Rumor has it that Cano will be wearing his Bert mittens and Ernie cap on the show, He shows no favoritism.
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I knew Cano was awesome.
timmyb72
“it’s all about me, me”
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This about sums you up.
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Ghostwriter July 8th, 2011 at 9:20 am
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 8:58 am
This fan from the stands thing is happening more and more often. At least 4 this year and two deaths. Is this something else for Congress to involve itself in?
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To do what? Repeal the laws of gravity? I don’t think so. The last thing that this situation requires is having some idiot politicians posturing over it. The country has much bigger problems than a couple of random deaths. Besides, there are plenty of product liability laws already on the books.
If this problem is endemic as you suggest, then the owners should take a look at it, and take whatever reasonable measures that they deem appropriate. Design flaws obviously should be addressed, and teams should be held accountable for their negligence. However, accidents happen; they are a part of life. It’s very sad, but these things do happen. The rest of us don’t need to be walking around plastic bubbles to avoid the remotest possibility of something bad happening, when a little common sense will do.
If Tampa is so much better managed, so aggressive and younger than NY, why the Hell are they in 3rd place?
Careful here. Not that I’m agreeing with him (though they obviously are younger and more agressive), but if we get swept here, we go into the break tied for 3rd place.
konerko is having a better year, btw, surrounded by overpaid bums like rios and dunn, he’s on pace for 24/128
SamBorden NY Times: A hit for Jeter but little else
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The Times? Well done, Sam. I wouldn’t use the NYT to house break a puppy, never mind read it on any kind of regular basis, but I will check in to read Sam. That’s great.
Baseball is not a sport for those who think a team is gonna win all 162 games in a season.
we go into the break tied for 3rd place
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2nd place, actually…….and they ain’t getting swept.
DP: Good morning Robby. How are things going with you and congrats on your All Star selection.
RC: Thank you Daniel and thank you to the fans…Especially to my best girl, Erin..another great Muppets fan. So few of us left in the world.
Mell-as far as I know Sam’s freelancing at the Times.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 9:35 am
DP: Good morning Robby. How are things going with you and congrats on your All Star selection.
RC: Thank you Daniel and thank you to the fans?Especially to my best girl, Erin..another great Muppets fan. So few of us left in the world.
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Best. Post. Ever.
“what’s the other $120 M for?”
“Combat Pay” for putting up with the fans in NY for 14 years.
Asked if he watches highlites.
Yes, because he wants to see what they are doing…especially Albert Pujols
Cashman is gonna do his level best to fix whatever may be perceived to ail the Yankees.
Of that I am certain.
something like 30 million people have attended mlb games so far this year. if you had 30 M people in helmets and knee pads in rubber rooms for 3 hours, a couple of them would die from something. its tragic but people die every day watching tv or putting on water for tea.
Erin:
Ah! Either way, nice to see him bounce right back off the mat.
Memorabilia from Jeter 3000 game. bat or batting gloves to hng in his house.
No issues with team’s use of homers
Doesn’t try to hit homers
Best 2nd baseman in the game…I like all of them. Says to let the media decide on who’s the best.
Last starting pitcher on Yanks you want to face….Sabathia. Sabathia says Cano
End of interview
Mell,
You prefer to read the Literary masterpiece known as the NY Post
No issues with team’s use of homers
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Did Patrick actually ask him that?
Yes, he did. Cano doesn’t think it’s an issue
Thanks again GB!!
konerko is having a better year, btw, surrounded by overpaid bums like rios and dunn, he?s on pace for 24/128
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Yea, what can you say…sometimes you get better value out of players. But GMs are still going to sign A-Rod over Konerko 99.999% of the time, contract aside. I guess the other $120mil was for the ’09 WS. Also, he’s a bigger fan draw and they needs to put butts in the seats at the Stadium.
Just speaking the truth, I know the truth hurts. You could see this all coming a mile away. The Yankees go on a nice 14-4 run, letting the kids play, letting Nunez stretch his legs a little, sure he boots routine ground balls sometimes and throws high to first base on occasion but his bat was smokin’, and his speed and ability to steal bases was on display, 10 SB’s in 115 games, = over 50 SB’s in a normal 600 AB season, when was the last time Jeter even sniffed 50 SB’s???? They let Nova show what he could do, 8 wins in less than a 1/2 a season, Gordon came up and while not overpowering showed that he can get major league hitters out, Swisher and Gardner were put in their proper order in the lineup, Swisher he of the .371 OBP and was one of the hottest hitters on the team, in the lead off spot he was able to get ab’s and able to be on base much, much more than Jeter who currenty has an OBP less then .320. When you have table setters that are actually able to get on base and then when they are on base able to steal 2nd, 3rd, it improves your stagnant team offense. It allows your team to manufacture runs and get ahead in the early innings and put pressure on the other team. Now with Jeter in the leadoff role feeling the pressure of his precious 3,000 hits, there’s no one on base ahead of Granderson, and Tex and A-Rod, so HR’s become solo HR’s, there’s already 1 out before Granderson and co. come to bat, it puts more pressure on them to produce and they swing at more pitches out of the strike zone, etc. And also with Nunez he could produce runs by himself, he is a HR threat, he hits balls hard, he is a doubles machine, he can drive in runners from the SS position. All Jeter does in an RBI situation is bounce out to the 2nd baseman, he doesn’t produce runs on his own, he’s not a HR threat anymore, he can’t steal bases anymore, he doesn’t have productive AB’s anymore, so he makes the offense much, much more stagnant. And because he leads off, it means that his terrible OBP is exposed more and he gets more AB’s per game that would have gone to Swisher or Gardner. I know that many so called Yankees fans are Jeter apologists even though he is robbing the Yankees blind by crying that he had to have a $25M/year salary so they ended up shelling out $17m/yr for a .250 hitter with no HR power and a .320 OBP and no speed, are you kidding me? Because of this bloated salary, your ticket prices are now higher, this team will lose more games because with this salary they have to play him even though the better SS is sitting on the bench, you pay more when you go to the ballpark because of this over rated, way overpaid player. People are so blinded by his what he did 5-10 yrs ago, hey he’s not that player anymore, just admit that he’s not a legit leadoff man and does not deserve to be playing over Nunez at this moment in their careers. If I was Jeter and I was an ethical, moral person after this 3,000 hits celebration, I would agree to allow Nunez to step in and be the SS and say I will be your mentor and help you achieve greatness like I did, it will be best for the team and better for the fans and I will take a huge salary cut because I know deep in my heart I am not the player that used to be and me in leadoff spot for a championship team is a big joke and I don’t want to be a joke anymore. Will we see that! Yeah fat chance, but it would be the right thing to do imo.
GB,
agree with your comments from earlier. It’s a terrible tragedy and baseball does seem to be reactive to this sort of thing.
Alex’s timing was way off last night…..he was late on everything. I think the team as a whole is a little tired right now….the break will hopefully energize them.
2nd place, actually??.and they ain?t getting swept
Okay, which one[s] do you feel they’ll win?
And you’re right, they’ll be ahead of tampa by a half game. My bad.
GB7,
here or listen to Trenton last night? RAB reported that Betances was touching 98/99 mph! He’s having a nice year….is he about ready to burst on the scene?
10 SB?s in 115 games, = over 50 SB?s in a normal 600 AB season,
Wow, you’re dumb.
Yes, he did. Cano doesn’t think it’s an issue
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What a dumbass question. I almost wish Cano responded with something like “Well Dan, it’s obvious that if we continue to hit homers at a historic pace, it will be detrimental to the team and our chances of winning will suffer greatly. Singles, Dan! Singles and sometimes doubles. That’s what this team needs. Singles and doubles will carry us to the promised land. Homers will not only destroy the Yankees, but also baseball and indeed society as a whole.
Ys Guy July 8th, 2011 at 9:20 am
tie the $30 mil to how often he ties his shoes, its still $30 M. but lets take that out of the equation and pretend he already earned the $30M he’s going to get, would you sign a 35 y/o player whos on pace to go 26/100 to a 6 yr/ $150M contract?
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NYYs are banking on those 6 targets bringing in $10 mil each in memorabilia, ticket and concessions sales, of which they get half. Rodriguez only gets the full $30 mil if he passes Bonds. It’s nothing more than a marketing ploy.
Maybe I’m way out in left field on this, but I always viewed Tampa as a bigger threat to the the Yanks than the Sox this year. I just don’t think that Boston has the pitching to keep them going over the long haul.
Nevertheless, if the Yanks can’t figure out a way to beat the Sox and the Rays, then they aren’t going anywhere this year. So far, the Sox are 21 and 10 in the AL East, while the Yanks are 13-13. To this point the Yanks are 1 and 2 against Tampa. Winning this series would be a great way for the Yanks to make a statement heading into the All Star beak.
timmy is the fried egg from the old anti-drug campaigns
I said during ST that the Braves would give the Phillies all they could handle this year and I still believe they will…..There rotation is solid and their pen is much better…..they get everybody healthy and add a CF like Span or somebody at the deadline and they could be better overall than the Phillies.
it is increadible to believe that anyone thinks nunez should be starting over jeter at this point, but that just goes to show you… i could just see that idiot booing mickey mantle as he came to the plate in 1968 and screaming that they should bench him. o well…
yes gm’s would sign arod over konerko, but not arod for $25+ per year at 6 years over Konerko for 3/$37. in fact, no team, Yankees included would sign or takeover the current arod (even with the $30 M “escalator” paid-out) contract today if he was available on waivers.
Some combination of Betances, Banuelos, Hughes, Nova, and Noesi would form a pretty good rotation along with CC in a few years, although I doubt that will happen.
Right now, Noesi has better swing and miss stuff than Hughes or Nova. I”m not saying that won’t change though.
And for those of you who might be interested I sent Pedro Gomez a letter.
Let’s see if I get a reply.
(And no it wasn’t a letter bomb)
I don’t think Tampa is that good….their rotation is pretty good but Shields is going to come back to earth in the second half and the rest of that team is only slightly above mediocrity.
I just don?t think that Boston has the pitching to keep them going over the long haul.
All healthy, if Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz are pitching, that team is way scarier than Tampa. Because, they’re going to hit good pitching, which Tampa often doesn’t.
Beckett is the key to them.
You think Tampa was a bigger threat because of hatred for Boston, not common sense. Any team that has Kyle Farnsworth and that hosh posh bullpen closing out young starters isn’t a bigger threat than Boston. So yeah, I’m saying left field.
Mell-
Ghostwriter July 8th, 2011 at 9:33 am
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The last thing that this situation requires is having some idiot politicians posturing over it. The country has much bigger problems than a couple of random deaths. If this problem is endemic as you suggest, then the owners should take a look at it, and take whatever reasonable measures that they deem appropriate.
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Wrong. This is exactly the role of government; to step in on behalf of public safety. Since when do we rely on wealthy corporations to do the right thing when it comes to safety issues? Oh that’s right, never. Not when the safety measures might cost them precious profits. Having the owners look at it? Right. Just like mine owners, oil companies and the airlines – deaths are just notes on a macabre actuarial table.
Bottom line this 1 win in 5 games will soon become more of the every week occurance than the exception now that the Yankees are blinded by how much a player makes as opposed to who the better players are and this blind loyalty to what you did in the past as opposed to what you are doing now and how are you contributing now to the success of this championship run as opposed to what you did 10 years ago.
Blake-
I would love for the Braves to overtake the Phils.
“Right now, Noesi has better swing and miss stuff than Hughes or Nova. I”m not saying that won’t change though”
if they are going to keep him in the bullpen then he has to be used more….he’s the 3rd best arm out there right now.
MTU-did you really? Good for you-I’ll be very interested to hear whether or not you get a reply.
timmyb72 July 8th, 2011 at 9:46 am
I don’t want to be a joke anymore. Will we see that! Yeah fat chance, but it would be the right thing to do imo.
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I hope that you realize that nobody read that little essay of yours. However, I did happen to catch the last couple of sentences, and found it sadly appropriate.
timmy is the fried egg from the old anti-drug campaigns
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I didn’t actually read that post, but for some odd reason, I was reminded of Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play….
I don?t think Tampa is that good?.their rotation is pretty good but Shields is going to come back to earth in the second half and the rest of that team is only slightly above mediocrity
That, and some of them had career first halves with the bat. Of course they’re going to come back. I’d rather play tampa every day of the week than Boston again.
Just speaking the truth, I know the truth hurts. You could see this all coming a mile away. The Yankees go on a nice 14-4 run, letting the kids play, letting Nunez stretch his legs a little, sure he boots routine ground balls sometimes and throws high to first base on occasion but his bat was smokin’, and his speed and ability to steal bases was on display, 10 SB’s in 115 AB’s = over 50 SB’s in a normal 600 AB season, when was the last time Jeter even sniffed 50 SB’s???? They let Nova show what he could do, 8 wins in less than a 1/2 a season, Gordon came up and while not overpowering showed that he can get major league hitters out, Swisher and Gardner were put in their proper order in the lineup, Swisher he of the .371 OBP and was one of the hottest hitters on the team, in the lead off spot he was able to get ab’s and able to be on base much, much more than Jeter who currenty has an OBP less then .320. When you have table setters that are actually able to get on base and then when they are on base able to steal 2nd, 3rd, it improves your stagnant team offense. It allows your team to manufacture runs and get ahead in the early innings and put pressure on the other team. Now with Jeter in the leadoff role feeling the pressure of his precious 3,000 hits, there’s no one on base ahead of Granderson, and Tex and A-Rod, so HR’s become solo HR’s, there’s already 1 out before Granderson and co. come to bat, it puts more pressure on them to produce and they swing at more pitches out of the strike zone, etc. And also with Nunez he could produce runs by himself, he is a HR threat, he hits balls hard, he is a doubles machine, he can drive in runners from the SS position. All Jeter does in an RBI situation is bounce out to the 2nd baseman, he doesn’t produce runs on his own, he’s not a HR threat anymore, he can’t steal bases anymore, he doesn’t have productive AB’s anymore, so he makes the offense much, much more stagnant. And because he leads off, it means that his terrible OBP is exposed more and he gets more AB’s per game that would have gone to Swisher or Gardner. I know that many so called Yankees fans are Jeter apologists even though he is robbing the Yankees blind by crying that he had to have a $25M/year salary so they ended up shelling out $17m/yr for a .250 hitter with no HR power and a .320 OBP and no speed, are you kidding me? Because of this bloated salary, your ticket prices are now higher, this team will lose more games because with this salary they have to play him even though the better SS is sitting on the bench, you pay more when you go to the ballpark because of this over rated, way overpaid player. People are so blinded by his what he did 5-10 yrs ago, hey he’s not that player anymore, just admit that he’s not a legit leadoff man and does not deserve to be playing over Nunez at this moment in their careers. If I was Jeter and I was an ethical, moral person after this 3,000 hits celebration, I would agree to allow Nunez to step in and be the SS and say I will be your mentor and help you achieve greatness like I did, it will be best for the team and better for the fans and I will take a huge salary cut because I know deep in my heart I am not the player that used to be and me in leadoff spot for a championship team is a big joke and I don’t want to be a joke anymore. Will we see that! Yeah fat chance, but it would be the right thing to do imo.
I will have to say Posada is the slowest runner and worst baserunner I have seen. I don’t think it would have changed the result of the game, but it was amazing Posada didn’t come close to going home on Martin’s double that rolled far back toward the infield. Of course, when Posada gets on base, I am just hopeful he doesn’t run into an out.
The guy didn’t do much to fall over the rail. You don’t know if he had a few beers and that maybe played a role.
And people stand there and beg for balls all game sometimes. I’m sure MLB is going to tell players no more ball tossing in the stands but that certainly won’t do anything to decease demand for those prized souvenirs. What they should be doing is giving them to kids by the boatload. Instead they’re nearly 20$ in stores. You can buy a pretty good football for that $$.
Have giveaway days. Maybe they don’t have to use the top of the line leather one but stamp it up like the real one and give them away. Then kids can say they got a real ball at a game.
Erin-
I’m not holding my breath.
Rich-
I like Noesi too.
blake
If they aren’t going to use Noesi more, Girardi is not nearly as smart as I think he is.
Blake, I listened to the Trenton games and Betances was sensational. Ready for AAA? Not yet, I don’t think so. Let him half the time to grow up. Same with Banuelos. They need to get deeper and on fewer pitches than they are right now. These guys haven’t really pitched a lot and they need to get to their innings limits of about 140-150, so they can move to NY by mid season next year without having to be pulled in the 4th or 5th innngs.
MTU,
Me too….they need another bat though. A CFer
Wow…is it gonna be this stuff all day, Timmyb72? Whos mind do you think you’re going to change here. We all see the problems, so what purpose are you serving here by regurgiatating stuff that’s not only factually incorrect, but mostly incoherent?
West Coast Yankee Fan July 8th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Ghostwriter July 8th, 2011 at 9:33 am
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The last thing that this situation requires is having some idiot politicians posturing over it. The country has much bigger problems than a couple of random deaths. If this problem is endemic as you suggest, then the owners should take a look at it, and take whatever reasonable measures that they deem appropriate.
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Wrong. This is exactly the role of government; to step in on behalf of public safety. Since when do we rely on wealthy corporations to do the right thing when it comes to safety issues? Oh that’s right, never. Not when the safety measures might cost them precious profits. Having the owners look at it? Right. Just like mine owners, oil companies and the airlines – deaths are just notes on a macabre actuarial table.
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Keep whaling away on those strawmen, westy.
Ys Guy – I get what you’re saying, I’m not sure if it’s coming across that I actually agree with you haha
certain dangers exsist in life. you can’t make a baseball stadium people-proof, not a corporation that owns it and not federal regulations. if that guy wasnt at the ballgame, he would have had the same chance of dying while driving, painting his house or even snoozing in the recliner with the game on. if you want the government to make life much safer for all americans write your congressman and tell them to outlaw cars, railroads and swimming pools as well as fried pork rinds and monte cristo sandwiches, (0r even those flimsy sandals that caused the guy in texas to slip and fall to his death), you’d be saving alot more lives than having congress legislate a ‘safer’ ballpark.
and believe me i’m more liberal than you are, but asking the goverment to fix baseball stadiums is crazy
GB,
yea I agree…..they both sounds like they are in that final stage of development where they have the tools they are just learning to use them and become more efficient with them.
Rich,
I really don’t get it…..he’s shown he can get guys out over and over and throw strikes. Maybe it’ll start to change soon…..
austinmac,
I love Jorge….he’s one of my favorites and I think he’s a HOFer….but he seriously might be the worst baserunner in MLB history…..he’s gotta be top 10.
Blake-
Then I hope they get one.
We should have gotten Jurrjens when we might have had the chance.
Ys Guy July 8th, 2011 at 10:03 am
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I enjoyed your posts on this subject. I thought that you got to the heart of the matter quite nicely.
MTU,
I don’t know if they would have ever traded Jair…..maybe they would have though. Gardner would be a great fit for them……offer him for Teheran
I think Tampa Bay will be in the race until the end. Their pitching will hold up in my opinion and Longoria is starting to hit. The Yankees need to continue to play near .600 ball.
Blake-
Noesi is suffering because of his versatility.
He’s being used as the new Aceves. Swiss Army knife even though he is from the Dominican.
Maybe it’s time the Yankees make some trades ?
blake July 8th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I love Jorge?.he?s one of my favorites and I think he?s a HOFer?.but he seriously might be the worst baserunner in MLB history?..he?s gotta be top 10.
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yeah, that about sums it up for me too.
Apologies if this was already posted……
DJ3K collection from Jordan Brands
http://www.nicekicks.com/2011/.....ollection/
SRTTPOFF is my new acronym.
Self Righteous To The Point Of Foolishness. Apply it as you see fit.
timmy,
You might want to acquaint yourself with the enter key. You make some valid points I actually share, but then like a bad Stephen King novel movie adaptation you go off the rails in the ending. Jeter is not giving money back, stepping down from SS or any of the fantasy scenarios you’ve created.
That said, I do believe his return to the team and the chase for 3000 is affecting the team’s psyche.
I also believe Arod has been playing injured for weeks and that is affecting the team’s production.
I had a feeling with all the roster moves over the weekend (Jeter, Hughes, etc) that the team would stutter before the break. They seem to play like this. When someone comes back in who is supposed to contribute something big it seems, to me, that the rest of the guys sit and wait and watch to see what will happen.
I hate to be a media conspiracy guy, but with all the constant press about Jeter and Hughes coming back, I felt that the minute they came back the team, just like the fans who read the rags, wanted to sit and see what would happen.
It’s a speed bump and they need to get over it tonight. The best thing that can happen tonight is Jeter gets his hits and they win the game so the media presence for things outside of the games deflates.
I imagine with HBO there they are walking all over the clubhouse interviewing Yankees asking them about Jeter. That stuff is distracting since these guys all want to be the one to say the thing that gets them in the documentary. They’re thinking about sound bites instead of at bats. The sooner the documentary guys and the extra press are gone the better.
Blake-
The time to have gotten Jurrjens was when he was injured. They might have considered it then. Would have taken some vision and a leap of faith.
Kimbrel is amazing.
Who is getting pulled from the rotation to put Noesi into there? What do you do with Nova, Hughes, Colon or Garcia? Are you going to give up the youth in order to keep the pitchers with more past than future?
Ghostwriter July 8th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I understand that was a little too intellectually coherent for you. Keep on plugging along, perhaps you can one day shed the cloak of mediocrity that defines you.
That story about the fan in Texas passing made me ill. I go to enough games to see people turn into a pack of raving lunatics every time a ball comes near them. I’ve seen guys in their 20′s plow into families who are seated and not chasing the ball to get a ball. Guys in their 20′s should be over the whole “I got a ball!” phase of their lives.
That said, it was an accident. I hope for Josh Hamilton’s sake he doesn’t take this on. It wasn’t his fault. The stadium design in that area is completely wrong having a 20 foot drop like that easily made if someone slips over.
The Rangers owe it to the little boy to financially provide for him what his Father could/would have and they owe it to the Dad’s memory to put up a net or something so the next time someone has an accident they stand a chance of surviving the fall.
I hope the Rangers are proactive and settle with the family quickly and this isn’t a court thing, but I’m sure lawyers are already salivating at repping that family and making thing into a long drawn out spectacle.
Either way, the whole incident made me sick last night.
Red shoes to honor Jeter?
I don’t get it.
Bernie Willams gave Posada a good run for his money for bad base running. All he had going for him was world class sprinter’s speed. He just had no idea of how to use it. Bernie ran like a sprinter…straight up.
“The New York Yankees have three scouts watching the Washington Nationals and Chicago Cubs as they look for bullpen and hitting help. It appears the Yankees may have some interest in Cubs left-handed reliever John Grabow as well as hitters such as Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano.”
Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth.....z1RWVWyeXz
G. Love July 8th, 2011 at 10:09 am
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I can’t believe that you actually read that post! You must have the patience of a saint
I don’t know if the quest for 3,00 is affecting the club or not. I suspect that a definitive answer is unknowable. I chalk it up to the fact that the Yanks were due to come back to earth a bit. It’s just too much to expect that the Yanks could sustain their furious pace over the last several weeks. Hopefully this slide will be short-lived, and they can close out the first half on a winning note.
Why would they want Ramirez or Soriano? Beltran!
Fans assume risk when they enter a stadium, but that doesn’t necessarily dispose of the issue. The question is whether or not it was foreseeable that a fan could possibly fall into the area where he fell, and whether or not reasonable measures were taken that could mitigate an injury.
Bernie was ot a smart base runner either. He pulled a lot of gaffs.
Bernie was ***not *** a
Baseball taking a back seat for a second.
I feel awful for the family of the man who died in Texas, especially his young son who was in the stands with him. Just a terrible tragedy.
I also hope that Josh Hamilton can forgive himself. From all accounts he was extremely distraught after the incident. He’ll have to live with the guilt that I’m sure he feels. He tossed a foul ball into the stands, hundreds of players have done it before and hundreds more will do it going forward, all without incident, and certainly he did nothing wrong, but I’m sure it’s eating him up inside.
I just hope that his support system is strong enough and prepared enough for what may come next. I truly hope that this doesn’t consume Hamilton and force him back to the dark place he was in before he sobered up.
“I chalk it up to the fact that the Yanks were due to come back to earth a bit.”
I agree. The Sux did the same thing after the won a bunch in a row. Played like Sh*t for a while.
Law of averages at work. Sucks when you’re on the wrong side of it.
“Red shoes to honor Jeter?”
High school color
Ghostwriter,
At first I thought everyone was harassing him for saying what some of us think, but then once I got into the madness of his diatribe I realized he was frothing at the mouth while typing. I don’t think he’s a troll but I can’t tell in this place anymore. I think he’s one of those fans who say what they think in the moment and just run with it to Mars. I hope he puts something in his mouth all day so he doesn’t bite his tongue.
Blake-
Ramirez has pop and plays 3rd. Maybe they are concerned about A-Rod’s health ?
MTU July 8th, 2011 at 10:20 am
“I chalk it up to the fact that the Yanks were due to come back to earth a bit.”
I agree. The Sux did the same thing after the won a bunch in a row. Played like Sh*t for a while.
Law of averages at work. Sucks when you’re on the wrong side of it.
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Exactly,
Which is why I wasn’t out of my mind over last night’s game. We would be fools to think Colon would go through the entire season without a stinker or two along the way. Even the best pitchers in the league don’t do that.
MTU July 8th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Blake-
Ramirez has pop and plays 3rd. Maybe they are concerned about A-Rod’s health ?
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If anything, my guess would be due dilligence.
MTU,
eh…I think that’d be a waste of resources though. THey have Nunez………
Ghostwriter-totally agree w/your 10:17 post.
Mo blew a save. AJ couldn’t stop the Kearns juggernaut. Masterson threw BB’s. Colon threw a stinker.
Off topic: for those interested in seeing the end of an era, http://www.nasa.gov has live streaming video from Cape Canaveral. Sad, so sad.
blake July 8th, 2011 at 10:24 am
MTU,
eh…I think that’d be a waste of resources though. THey have Nunez………
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Job of the front office is to always see if there are ways to improve the team. Who knows, maybe Cashman calls up the Cubs about one of their LHP and Hendry says, “Hey Brian, if you throw in another guy we’ll send you Aramis too” It would be nice for Cashman to have a report about how Ramirez is playing to reference before answering one way or the other.
Chip-
If no one minds I am going to call up Bartolo and request that he stink up the place against less meaningful teams.
Merely as a suggestion. I will then praise him to high heaven for what he has already given us.
Chip
One of your best post.
High school color
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Thanks. Didn’t read the fine print.
When I think of Derek Jeter I think of………..Kalamazoo Central High!!
I was up all night thinking about something that Straw said to me (and thinking of Garder’s terrible second inning AB), and I think Straw may have saved my life. He questioned my negativity, and I realized that he’s right…because of inflated slaries, I can no longer enjoy the ups and downs & ebb and flow of a full season. So, I’m cutting my addiction right here and right now.
Here is MY “Decision” – when you can’t enjoy it any longer, it’s time to call it quits. I’ll no longer be watching any games or posting here. The only way to cure an addiction is cold turkey. Say Good Bye to the Bad Guy. I appreciated yo guys trying to talk me off the ledge, but for me there is now only a ledge.
Blake-
Maybe they think Ramirez is more of a sure thing, and a better upgrade.
Nunez’s fielding so far leaves a lot to be desired.
Though the bat looks pretty good.
Definitely way cheaper. That’s for sure.
Chip,
true….I mean I wouldn’t mind having him I guess but they need other things more. It probably is due dilligence as you say.
Chip
About Hamilton.
In today’s post Tex said that opposing scouting has hurt his BA this year. Does anyone here agree or disagree with this assesment?
So, Hassey, who will you be coming back as to the board to stupid it up?
Maine – Thanks
Blake – I agree
MTU – Go with my blessing.
MTU,
Aramais would mean taking on 7 or 8 million…..he has a mutual option for next year. I guess maybe a DH/3B bat. I think Beltran makes more sense but his price tag might be higher though especially from the Mets.
Which is why I wasn?t out of my mind over last night?s game. We would be fools to think Colon would go through the entire season without a stinker or two along the way. Even the best pitchers in the league don?t do that.
I don’t expect him to continue at all. I have so little faith in his ability to keep this going. I keep waiting for the shoe to drop every start he makes. Call me cynical, but it is what it is with him. He’s better now than he was in his CY year, which should cause red flags with absolutely everyone.
Blake-
I have absolutely no idea what the Yankees will do but I know they will do something.
?..he has a mutual option for next year. I guess maybe a DH/3B bat.
This team knows ARod is rapidly approaching that time when he’s the platoon DH – full time. I actually think they’d have moved for a third baseman already if Jorge wasn’t on this team.
They aren’t trading for Ramirez. If they add a guy who can play the infield he needs to also be able to play SS.
RiverAveBlues Curtis Granderson is the biggest winner in the All Star Game bonus lottery, says @bizballmaury. http://bit.ly/rglurL
GB7
I hope you have plenty of ammo.
You seem to have more than one target today.
Naaah – just kidding. I’m too fired up about tonite’s shutout to call it quits. I’m just not sure who is going to get shutout.
Green Beret – “Stupid it up?” If you are sitting at home listening to minor league games on the radio, you’ve must have shell shock
Blake-
By the way, I haven’t been following but is Venters still good ?
A-Rod a platoon DH?
He looks to be playing the best 3B of his life to me this year.
Most rumors are misdirections or designed to raise a team’s leverage in another deal.
Curtis Granderson is the biggest winner in the All Star Game bonus lottery,
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Remember when he was shopping for sheets at Target? Maybe he can upgrade his bedding now.
Alex has had a really good season defensively this year….the lack of homers has overshadowed the fact that he’s having a really solid year overall. The homers will come I think.
Time for some Pupdemonium.
Back in a while.
If Rodriguez is getting hurt, chances are that he’s getting hurt more on offense with muscle pulls. Certainly nothing wrong with his defense. Platooning his as a DH is….well…stupid doesn’t describe it.
darrenrovell MLB: Jeter 3K gear can’t come out of boxes until he hits it. I got the car magnet & the patch http://lockerz.com/s/118177695
Bronx Jeers July 8th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Remember when he was shopping for sheets at Target? Maybe he can upgrade his bedding now.
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I forgot all about that.
Alex has been amazing at 3B this season.
The only reason to consider playing him at DH more is if the Yankees think his time in the field is wearing him down and hurting his offense.
MTU-
Other than a little off day on the 26th and 29th of June, Jonny Venters is outstanding:
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player....._id=458924
Benny Blanco – I think the difference in Tex having a BA of .240 and .280-290 is about one hit per week. By my observations, that’s about how many hits he’s losing by pulling hard hit grounders into the shift.
In today’s post Tex said that opposing scouting has hurt his BA this year. Does anyone here agree or disagree with this assesment?
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Opposing scouting isn’t making Tex hit IF pop ups at a ridiculous rate well above his career mark and as well as the lowest percentage of line drives in his career.
“Maybe he can upgrade his bedding now.”
If you save the pennies, the dollars take care of themself.
Derek with the $500,000 bonus for ASG nod. Nice “pocket change”.
The only catch with upgrading the dh position, whether by Beltran or somebody else, is that it relegates Posada to the bench. He has no other position to play, and would thus clog a roster spot. That’s a very expensive thing. Not saying not to do it, but it has consequences.
MTU,
yea he is….
Hassey-
Somehow, I think you’ll be back… The only point I was trying to make is that it is easer to accept critiques of play when the negative comments are mixed with some positive.
Timmyb-
For all the Jeter bashers, you do realize that no team official, not the Steinbrenners, Cash, Levine, or Girardi (who should be making the call) have asked him to do anything along the lines of benching him, dropping him in the order, etc. Saying that Jeter should “take it upon himself” to do these things is riduculous. Do any of you tell your bosses to fire you or demote you because your performance has slipped? It’s clear the Yankees have their reasons for trusting Girardi’s decisions to leave him in at SS and at leadoff for the time being. I think I’ll trust their baseball judgment more than all of yours.
Fly balls go for hits least often out. They are the worst outcome when looking for a hit.
And Tex has gradually increased his FB% each year as a Yankee.
Blake, no idea as to why Rodriguez isn’t getting the spin and lift on his hits. He’s certainly hitting enough line drives, and his doubles are way up. Other than him continuing his record run of 30+ homers a year, everything else looks good to go. Back to a .300 average, 100+ runs and RBI, 35-40 doubles. I wonder if he’s sacrificing some power to keep his career average over .300. Mantle said is only regret in his career was slipping back to .298.
TominGeorgia,
I too feel sadness at the end of the Cape Canaveral era. I grew up in central Florida, and we would watch the space shot and then run our of our classroom to see the vapor trail. I saw Shepard, Glenn etc.
I think that was money very well spent and a mistake not to continue.
Benny Blanco and Joe-
” I think the difference in Tex having a BA of .240 and .280-290 is about one hit per week.”
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Tex supposedly worked hard on trying to hit the other way during the winter.
It’s not working against the shift. Maybe if he laid down a bunt once or twice a week, like I’ve seen Adrian Gonzalez do, he’d raise his BA and help the team.
Certainly nothing wrong with his defense. Platooning his as a DH is?.well?stupid doesn?t describe it.
Listen, POS, All I’m saying is that he’s entering a time in his career where he’s going to need the few days at DH every year. Yes, he’s good defensively, but he’s 35, a bad hip, losing speed, and would likely benefit from having a competent third baseman to step in and allow him to DH more often at times.
It is possible that Arod sees other teammates boom or busting on HR’s and has made an effort to get balls in play and move runners along more than trying to crush the ball. Especially knowing that he is injured and may be lacking some stength in his drive leg.
Please no to Alfonso. I can’t stomach watching him swing at breaking balls bouncing in the opposing batters box. Plus, he is still owed a ton of money.
If Rodriguez is getting hurt, chances are that he?s getting hurt more on offense with muscle pulls.
Because you’ve swung a bat or played third base?
Tex’s BA should be down for the 290-300 type hitter he used to be because of his batted ball data, but it also prob shouldn’t be this low.
His BABIP is .214. That’s really low.
In 2009 he hit .187 on grounders, .172 on fly balls, and .747 on line drives.
This year he is hitting .133 on grounders, .100 on fly balls, and .644 on line drives
Listen, Howie…there are no “competent” third basemen to fill in since Chavez is out. Having both Rodriguez and Posada hitting every day is better than one sitting on the bench, rotting away.
And Tex has gradually increased his FB% each year as a Yankee.
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Batting lefty Tex has to hit it in the air to have a chance at a hit, because with his speed and the shift a ground ball is almost a certain out. He’s a homerun hitter with little ability to hit the other way.
Straw – I did say ONE positive thing about Tex last night. His 2 walks tell me he’s on the verge of a 4 game homer happy hot streak. And it was good to see Noesi get back on track. Martin not trying to pull (and roll over) that outsdie breaking ball is a start. I just don;t see why everyone gets so riled up just because I think they’ll “only” win 90 games. 25 other teams would kill for that. Even the Yankees are allowed to have a bridge year, no?
TheStraw July 8th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Especially knowing that he is injured and may be lacking some stength in his drive leg.
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Flash was saying something about that last night. Makes sense.
LGY July 8th, 2011 at 10:51 am
In today’s post Tex said that opposing scouting has hurt his BA this year. Does anyone here agree or disagree with this assesment?
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Opposing scouting isn’t making Tex hit IF pop ups at a ridiculous rate well above his career mark and as well as the lowest percentage of line drives in his career.
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I’m surprised that Tex thinks that he has a problem. I don’t know what it is about left-handed swings and the short porch in YS, but BAs always seem to wind up in the toilet shortly ater they arrive on the team. (I really wish that these guys would look up the stats, and see that Ruth hit .352 for his career).
Still, it’s hard to get too terribly worked up about Tex’s game. At least he produces when there are runners on base. However, it would be nice if he would start a few rallies, because he wastes a ton of ABs, trying to hit the ball 600 feet when nobody is on base.
When Tampa put on that wacky shift the other night, I was hoping Teix would just slap one the other way through the vacant hole at SS. I don’t understand why guys don’t try to do this against a shift.
“When I think of Derek Jeter I think of………..Kalamazoo Central High!!”
Jeter’s new theme song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZeqABXYLvk
Hassey-
If you call 96 wins (at the current pace) a bridge year.
Teams don’t put on a shift and then pitch to the outside. Not everyone’s swing is tailored to hit inside pitches to the opposite field.
Listen, Howie?there are no ?competent? third basemen to fill in since Chavez is out. Having both Rodriguez and Posada hitting every day is better than one sitting on the bench, rotting away.
I meant next year when Posada is no longer around, and refrain from the demeaning changing of names. It’s how people are made to look stupid in every single post they make, old man.
Crap. I posted the wrong info about Tex’s batted ball stuff. I accidentally posted his BABIP, not batting average.
In 2009 he hit .190 on grounders, .304 on fly balls, and .804 on line drives.
This year he is hitting .141 on grounders, .286 on fly balls, and .617 on line drives.
I could care less what Tex’ batting avg is these days. He’s still a .350 OBP guy with plenty of power. Pretty much all you could ask for – tho it won’t help his case in the argument for swapping lineup spots with Cano
“In today’s post Tex said that opposing scouting has hurt his BA this year. Does anyone here agree or disagree with this assesment?”
I agree. But the inability to slap the ball the other way is on him. I have never seen him once attempt to go the other way to break the shift.
I feel really bad for all concerned with that poor guy losing his life. It’s absolutely awful that his young son had to watch him fall. My condolences to his family.
austinmac July 8th, 2011 at 10:55 am
TominGeorgia,
I too feel sadness at the end of the Cape Canaveral era. I grew up in central Florida, and we would watch the space shot and then run our of our classroom to see the vapor trail. I saw Shepard, Glenn etc.
I think that was money very well spent and a mistake not to continue.
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Ditto. I think that manned space flight is a worthy and important endeavor. In addition to the wistfulness that I fell at the passing of an era, I’m pretty annoyed at the wastefulness of shutting down these operations. NASA is going to lose a lot of good people with expertise for no good reason. It’ll be tough to undo this mistake when we come to our senses in a few years,
“Teams don’t put on a shift and then pitch to the outside. Not everyone’s swing is tailored to hit inside pitches to the opposite field.”
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That doesn’t mean you can’t try it. An MLB all star caliber player should have enough bat control to at least attempt to do that.
I’ll repeat-Teixeira worked during the offseason on trying to hit the other way and did less work on the weights. So far it has failed for whatever reason against the shift. He can’t or won’t bunt occassionally against the shift to get on base. and has to loft the ball to stand any chance of a hit batting lefty.
MTU July 8th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Hopefully one of us will get a response. I sent him one as well.
Just a few years ago, many said they would prefer Alex hit a few less HRs and get a few more key hits.
This year he’s hitting less HRs and has a .315 BA w/RISP.
I’ve been told that many of Alex’s HRs are just garbage time stat padding so I’m not sure why people care if he hits less of those. /sarcasm.sorry.i hadtogothere.
Teams don?t put on a shift and then pitch to the outside.
Actually, teams put the shift on for two reasons: a players spray chart trends to the fact that he’s going to pull/try to pull the ball no matter where it is in the zone, and to play a mental trick on the hitter which normally results in a weaker ground ball because the player is trying to go the other way and waits on a pitch for too long. Pitching inside or outside has very little to do with the shift at all.
You think teams employ the shift to Ortiz then pitch him inside when he DEMOLISHES inside pitches? No, they put the shift on, and still go outside in the hopes it’s a weak groundball up the middle, which more often than not, it is.
“Yankees catcher Jesus Montero has limited appeal to the Royals, since they doubt he’ll be able to stay behind the plate long-term.” — MLBTR
I’m sure they aren’t the only ones.
TheStraw July 8th, 2011 at 11:07 am
“Teams don’t put on a shift and then pitch to the outside. Not everyone’s swing is tailored to hit inside pitches to the opposite field.”
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That doesn’t mean you can’t try it. An MLB all star caliber player should have enough bat control to at least attempt to do that.
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He can do it, which is the most infuriating part. With men on base, Tex is hitting .301, and with nobody on base, he is hitting .193. The inescapable conclusion is that he seems to think that it’s okay to take big hacks when nobody is on base, without realizing that he may be costing us some rallies before they start.
Ghost
Austin
I saw two launches. Awe-inspiriing. For the next unknown number of years, we’ll be renting rockets from Russia, China, or whoever steps up to leadership in space.
Straw – any idea how many wins Vegas is now predicting for the Yanks? What are the bookies calling for these days?
Background on the changes coming in the DR scouting and recruiting process.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....54592.html
Batting lefthanded Tex has a .234 BA.Overall BA for June .213, so far in July .222 His OBP is slipping also .312 for June .323 for July.
he did however hit 9 homers in June, none so far in July.
Why would the Yankees want anyone from the Royals???
USA is putting most of their resources in to the end of the decade run to Mars. That’s the next real step. Colonizing Mars will tale more money and be more risky than the moon, but, with possibly better results and bigger payoff.
Tomingeorgia – I saw one launch years ago. I still have a hard time describing to people just how huge that thing is as it fires across the sky. You look up and expect it to be “only” like a large plane, and it’s actually more like a medium sized ship…
Hassey-
It was 91 at the BEGINNING of the season. As far as I know, they don’t update it after the beginning of the season (or at least I can’t find it anywhere).
LGY July 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Why would the Yankees want anyone from the Royals???
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The master of the non sequitur strikes again!
tomingeorgia July 8th, 2011 at 11:12 am
I saw two launches. Awe-inspiriing. For the next unknown number of years, we’ll be renting rockets from Russia, China, or whoever steps up to leadership in space.
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That’s not true. Our mission in space has correctly been redefined to focus on longer space journeys and R&D on new technology.
Near space travel will be provided by the private sector. There is no reason to spend tax dollars on that anymore.
Mars will ***take*** more
Hassey July 8th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Tomingeorgia – I saw one launch years ago. I still have a hard time describing to people just how huge that thing is as it fires across the sky. You look up and expect it to be “only” like a large plane, and it’s actually more like a medium sized ship…
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That’s pretty cool! I grew up in Florida, and I’ve been to Cape Canaveral, but I never saw a launch in person. I wish that I had done so…
GB7,
Least money to NASA as % of GDP since Kennedy. More cuts coming, imo.
Straw – Wow, only 91? I wonder what it is now that the experts have had 1/2 season to digest data, injuries and out/underperformances.
Why would the Yankees want anyone from the Royals???
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LGY-
I know you’re not serious. I could live with Alex Gordon as a corner OF’er, and Billy Butler as our DH.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
USA is putting most of their resources in to the end of the decade run to Mars. That’s the next real step. Colonizing Mars will tale more money and be more risky than the moon, but, with possibly better results and bigger payoff.
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I’m no expert on this space exploration. Howevever, I thought tha the first step in making a manned trip to Mars was building a colony on the moon (or an orbiting space station), in order to provide a jumping off point, and a place to assemble the ship for the trip to Mars.
I don’t know that they would update it unless they would allow a prop bet to be placed now….seems like it would be the equivalent of letting someone bet on results of a game in the 4th inning.
LGY July 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Why would the Yankees want anyone from the Royals???
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There are a few players on the Royals I think the Yankees could use – none I would be willing to deal Montero for.
Straw ? Wow, only 91? I wonder what it is now that the experts have had 1/2 season to digest data, injuries and out/underperformances.
It balances out. Any underperformer is compensated for in the likes of Granderson, who’s having a career year in every single statistical category that matters. So, maybe Swisher is hurting, but the overall value number of Swisher and Granderson combined is still the same because Granderson is playing so far above his head right now.
Tom, once they find a reliable and better way of radiation shielding and training the techs and designing ways to move sleeping and working quarters that far, they’ll move forward. More flybys to look for water sources and different ways to convert it into hydrogen fuel and drinking while there would be a goal, also. Six month journeys will be a real obstacle. As I understand it, trying to figure out ways to minimize bone loss due to prolonged weightlessness is a big issue right now. As far as cutting NASA budgets, they’ll just shift money from another pocket. They won’t give up space exploration in my lifetime or my great grandkids.
YT/Blake-
Thanks.
GB-
Have you seen “Mission to Mars” ?
Fun movie. Very imaginative.
You would probably like “Mars Attacks” better though. Now that I think about it.
no matter what…it takes a lot of guts to strap a roman candle to your ass and ride it that far. Jumping from a plane is safer.
There is nobody on the Royals that they would trade that I’d even consider trading Montero for.
I’m glad this point was made. I care only about winning, and Jeter’s milestone (not to take any gratitude) is something that should be celebrated when it happens, and not months in advance. I want to hear about how the Yankees are planning to win tomorrow, and not about what Jeter will be doing, thinking, going, seeing, hearing, etc.. once he finally(and I really mean finally) gets hit #3,000. I’m absolutely done with this 3,000 hit shenanigans. He should have gotten it in May but a bad year and injury will extend distractions like this to mid-season.
I just want to note that it will absolutely be a great moment for Yankees history and for Jeter.
MTU, watched it last week. There’s a 4 disc set of “To Mars” movies. great stuff. Always wondered why they didn’t trick Godzilla or Mothra into getting them to ride the rocket to the stars.
GB-
One they figure out how to manipulate Gravity a lot of the problems of Space travel will go away.
And they will. Someday.
That should take care of the propulsion issues too.
GB-
They just used Monkeys instead.
edit: once. sorry.
Ghost, the moon way-station (like a stage coach way station is already practical. It’s use would be for storage. They need to make sure to keep the tribbles and other alien lifeforms from raiding it. Those Russians and Europeans will steal anything.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Tom, once they find a reliable and better way of radiation shielding and training the techs and designing ways to move sleeping and working quarters that far, they’ll move forward. More flybys to look for water sources and different ways to convert it into hydrogen fuel and drinking while there would be a goal, also. Six month journeys will be a real obstacle. As I understand it, trying to figure out ways to minimize bone loss due to prolonged weightlessness is a big issue right now. As far as cutting NASA budgets, they’ll just shift money from another pocket. They won’t give up space exploration in my lifetime or my great grandkids.
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I hope that you’re right. My take is that this isn’t a technical problem/challenge as much as it is a problem of a lack of political will. Real people are losing their jobs; that isn’t a matter of simply shifting money from one pocket to the other.
However, I think that Westy had a point in suggesting that the private sector will step up, and take over some of these challenges.
MTU, they think that if the can match the rotation of the earth to a spinning spaceship that will create an artificial gravity.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ghost, the moon way-station (like a stage coach way station is already practical. It’s use would be for storage. They need to make sure to keep the tribbles and other alien lifeforms from raiding it. Those Russians and Europeans will steal anything.
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Good point. I suspect that these cooperative efforts will prove to be anything but.
Ghost -
You hit it on the head there w/ “lack of political will”. Some people kid themselves – the real reason we made it to the moon was because of the Cold War. What’s driving the space program now?
The private sector will have to step it up…
It’s a damn fine thing that we recovered all that stuff from Roswell among others and have been learning about it at Area 51 for all these years.
Gave us a leg up, so to speak.
Miracle they have been able to keep it quiet all this time.
Weather balloon my a*s.
I think global warning will eliminate gravity entirely which will lead to obese people ruling the earth.
Detroit will sell cars that levitate, dramatically reducing road congestion, though mid air collisions will be an unfortunate problem.
GB-
They should have just asked Arthur Clarke, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, or ,even better, Tesla how.
Business is already funding much of these launches by paying for the commercial sattelites to be given a lift into orbit. These corperations will possibly be renting launch space from the government to launch their own rockets, as will other countries. Cheaper to rent than build.
If there’s no gravity, there is 0% change DJ’s 3kth hit is a dribbler to third
chance*
blake July 8th, 2011 at 11:33 am
There is nobody on the Royals that they would trade that I’d even consider trading Montero for.
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I wouldn’t be opposed to dealing a mid level prospect to add Alex Gordon to the bench. Maybe even bring back the Melk Man
86-
Ever see a movie called the “the 5th Element” with Bruce Willis.
Or “Bladerunner” with Harrison Ford.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ghost, the moon way-station (like a stage coach way station is already practical. It’s use would be for storage. They need to make sure to keep the tribbles and other alien lifeforms from raiding it. Those Russians and Europeans will steal anything.
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Right. Because Americans never steal anything that isn’t theirs.
The only player on KC that’s worth having at this time is Billy Butler…if there was a spot for him.
Chip,
Yea those moves wouldn’t be terrible….but I’m not giving up a ton for them.
I think they would forget about space and concentrate on making a city under the ocean.
The new heavy-lift rocket, Orion, if I recall, which was to carry the moon and mars missions, was canceled.
Blake-
Have you seen “the Abyss” ?
Or for a blast from the past “Twenty thousand leagues under the sea”
blake July 8th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I think they would forget about space and concentrate on making a city under the ocean.
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nice.
blake July 8th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Chip,
Yea those moves wouldn’t be terrible….but I’m not giving up a ton for them.
I think they would forget about space and concentrate on making a city under the ocean.
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They had one…New Orleans. Miami will be the next one
think they *should*
Tom-
With the way things are “no frills” is coming.
GB-
“Waterworld”.
How do you think Javier Vazquez would fare on Mars?
MTU, I want to hear “GLUG, GLUG” with a French accent…like Briget Bardo’s.
Tom-
And by the way, just for the record, Keynesian economics suck and they don’t work anyway.
I would like to visit an underwater city…..just so long as I’m assured that the glass won’t break
GB-
I don’t care what language Bardot speaks. It’s not what comes out of her mouth that matters.
N’est pas ?
MTU,
Keynes has nothing to do with it. The economic boost produced by the space program and the technologies that sprung from it are almost incalculable.
TylerKepner Randy Choate 3 up, 3 down last night, 0.98 ERA for last-place FLA. Lefties are 5 for 50. Yanks would be smart to trade for him.
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 11:58 am
blake July 8th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Chip,
Yea those moves wouldn’t be terrible….but I’m not giving up a ton for them.
I think they would forget about space and concentrate on making a city under the ocean.
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They had one…New Orleans. Miami will be the next one
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Classless comment GB…completely classless – you’re better than that.
Blake-
Go to 7 Flags. Ride the water slides, etc.
Much safer.
There’s nothing wrong with timmy’s opinions. It bothers the heck of out me when people don’t like what they read an gang up on somebody like a bunch of children in a school yard. He makes a lot of valid points. I agree that Jeter is no longer a lead-off hitter. Not even close to what he wants was!
I doubt highly Jeter will return to his younger performance. Not a single team looks at Jeter like a threat anymore. He’s about as close to a guaranteed out as anyone can be. Face the facts, he stinks! Last year he lead the lid in GDP for crying out loud! This year his at bats are terrible and he seems to have forgotten how to go the other way with the ball and his inside-out swing has vanished. Now I love Jeter for everything he represents just as much as the next and I still want to give him a chance to help this team win, but not as the lead-off hitter.. any other player not named Jeter would not be leading off with 1 and 1/2 seasons of almost exactly the same numbers.
Face it, the guy is getting older. It happens! Now stop acting like a bunch of spoiled babies and attacking somebody that’s posting things that are true that you are unwilling to admit!
The world goes underwater, everyon becomes mermaids and mermen. It would be unfair that the French get mermaids like Bardot and the US gets old trout like Nancy Reagan.’
Tom-
Things like that go by the wayside in troubled times, unfortunately.
You missed my point on Keynes but that’s cool.
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough. My fault.
P – it’s the presentation of his arguments. Everone is titled to an opinion; however, no one enjoys listening to a rant. Unless you’re a Stephen A. Smith fan
GreenBeret7 July 8th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
The world goes underwater, everyon becomes mermaids and mermen
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as someone who was totally obsessed with The Little Mermaid as a kid, I could get on board with this.
entitled*
MTU, or Ed Mitchell
MTU,
I took it to mean that I somehow think of the space program as a kind of Keynesian stimulus, which I don’t. It’s an investment.
MTU,
Are you the ghost of Hoover?
Tom-
That’s not what I meant.
Again, my fault for not being clearer.
Triple-
No. But somebody else sure is.
MTU – I preferred Action Park in its heyday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Park
MTU,
I’ve heard of 6 flags…..is 7 flags 1 flag better?
Hassey-
Blake is a friend of mine.
I was trying to protect him from himself.
Going down to the Marianas trench to see an underwater civilization is a very bad idea.
Blake-
Sure. why not. So I’m senile. Sue me.
blake July 8th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
MTU,
I’ve heard of 6 flags…..is 7 flags 1 flag better?
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Haven’t you heard? The 7th flag is Japan. They’ve bought everything else.
blake July 8th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I think they would forget about space and concentrate on making a city under the ocean.
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Why can’t we focus our country’s resources instead on putting a Yankee team in first place?
teixeiramark25 Harlem RBI’s summer coaches are competing to raise funds for Harlem RBI and DREAM’s new home. They are coaching… http://fb.me/tQbKrD2k
Blake/MTU…what second baseman do you move to Scranton this summer for the final month? David Adams should be ready for full-time activites. Does he go or Corban Joseph?
Yankees Tonight’s starter for the Rays, Jeremy Hellickson, grew up a Yankees fan – even naming his dog “Jeter.”
MTU – LOL…Marianas still may be a better idea than going down for oysters in Raritan Bay
GB-
Joseph IMO.
Adams needs to get it together again. AAA isn’t the place.
Hassey-
That’s an indictment.
A thought, if A-Rod is having some nagging injury problem, why not put the team first, rest for 3 days, and not go to the AS game. Mo took the right approach, get rest while it’s available. Just saying, what’s more important, the team or the AS game?
MTU, it’s a tough call because Adams would have started there this season without the injury. Pretty much the same player except Adams is the better glove right now.
What’s wrong with Raritan Bay? Used to catch fluke, blues, stripers and weaks out there.
GB,
I agree with MTU….Joseph. Which means the correct answer is Adams
GB-
I understand but I just Think Adams needs to regain his confidence at a lower level first, and Joseph appears ready for the jump.
JMHO. You’d probably know better.
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Father knows best.
Tom – actually, water has been cleaned up quite a bit…deer have even waded at low tide over to Staten Island…my problem is with all the personal water craft out there making it quite a different fishing and boating experience than it used to be…plus all the old time bait and tackle shops on SI are disappearing
So, Blake…you have a lot of faith in MTU’s skills as a talent evaluator? Whatever he says, you think the correct answer is the opposite?
GB-
Think of me as a reverse barometer.
GB7 -
With all the mistakes MTU makes, its a wonder he finds his way back from those hikes, lol.
Well, Adams is hitting .520 in the GCL so his cofidence isn’t too shattered.
Hassey,
The nude beach still there?
Al-
GPS.
GB-
You’re the man with the Stats.
OK. Adams. You win.
Mike -
You’re like Jeter, you got an edge!
Tom – I haven’t been to SI in years, so I’d be scared to see who is still out there. My father was actually a cop on the South Shore when it was still a forest, and there were alot of crazy things going on
AL-
Usually out on the edge. One way or another.
Our friend was here yesterday and posted photos of his outing to see the Yanks in Cleveland.
Did you see them ?
They were terrific. I should tell him to quit the restaurant biz and go to work for AP.
It’s just smart that MTU leaves bread crumbs on the trail to his home. That and a long string tied to the rocks and sagebrush (no trees). He talks about his part mop/part mongoose pets, but, the fact is they breed fast and they’re only along for snack food for the snakes. Sort of like tribbles.
Hassey,
I meant the one on Sandy Hook.
Tom – Oh…that I don’t know. I haven’t been to any NJ beaches north of Sea Bright in a LONG time
Adams in the FSL and GCL is now 18-34. Time to promote him upwards for a real challenge whether Trenton or Scranton, whether to trade him or keep him. As I said, pretty much the same player.
GB-
I’m so hurt that I have to take off for the Mountains right now.
I’ll try to remember to follow your advice and bring lot’s of breadcrumbs and extra string.
See you all later.
Mike -
I didn’t see the pictures, I was not here. Do you know what time he posted them?
Joe G orCashman won’t do whats right for the team, and thats put Gardner at top of the lineup, move Jeter down, and for Gods sakes find more playing time for Nunez and Nova . The cost will be no playoffs or an easy first round exit if they make it in the tough AL east. Right now tampa has a better pitching staff and boston will when they are fully healthy, which i hope is never .