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Colon starting first game after the break

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees just announced their rotation for after the all-star break.

Thursday: Bartolo Colon
Friday: Freddy Garcia
Saturday: CC Sabathia
Sunday: Phil Hughes
Monday: A.J. Burnett

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145 Responses to “Colon starting first game after the break”

  1. Betsy July 10th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    12 days of rest for Hughes? The game thread that night should be interesting……

  2. ET July 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    What a great pitchers duel today was

    Didn’t realize how good Shields’ numbers were – 132 Ks in 134 innings with a 2.33 ERA ad 0.97 WHIP.

  3. qiantom July 10th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Aceves got Redsox 2 more wins this season already.

  4. bruceb July 10th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Yeah, nice job by the Orioles. They really showed some fight against the Sox this series. Unfortunately, none of it was at the plate.

  5. jpb173 July 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Bartolo and Freddie are starting the first 2 games after the break. I guess we can call them Colon and Semi-colon.

  6. GreenBeret7 July 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    qiantom July 10th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    Aceves got Redsox 2 more wins this season already.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    And? Is there a point to this?

  7. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Betsy-

    Makes you wonder. I am still hoping they get Hughes a minor league game in between.

    He could pitch at AA if they wanted him to.

  8. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Hughes can’t pitch in AA without a roster move.

  9. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    By the way, Great job by CC.

    Great way to go into the break.

  10. Betsy July 10th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    MTU, it tells me what we all know – Phil is the fifth starter and will be treated as such. That’s fine, but that’s a long time for him not to be starting and if he doesn’t pitch well, it’s an obvious excuse. They should at least try to give him an inning in the pen – they did it in TX last year and also in Boston.

  11. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Craw-

    Thanks. Then maybe they need to make one ?

    I agree with Betsy on this. I really don’t see the point of having him sit around that long.

  12. Betsy July 10th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Also, let me say that I’m glad CC was named to the All-Star Team. Of course he can’t pitch, but it’s an honor to be able to basically hang with the best players in the world and he should be there.

  13. Betsy July 10th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    MTU, I understand why they are doing it – he’s not better than any of their other starters and since they felt Nova was the 5th starter, Phil would have to be. However, they shouldn’t be surprised if he has nothing that day – or at least no command. If they are trying to get as many starts out of him before the trade deadline as possible, to see their pitching needs (if they need to make a trade), this isn’t the way to go about it. However, that was just a theory some proposed here – I’m not sure I really bought it.

  14. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “Thanks. Then maybe they need to make one ?”

    The Yankees aren’t sending Hughes down to make one start in the minors because of obvious reasons. Furthermore, there are no AAA games on monday, tuesday or wednesday and AA has no games for tuesday or wednesday.

  15. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    If AJ is pitching on Monday what starter does that make him?

  16. Bronx Jeers July 10th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Maybe Phil can find a pick- up game somewhere. : wink:

  17. Yank 97 July 10th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    79 players were named all-stars this year – wow

  18. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Craw-

    “The Yankees aren’t sending Hughes down to make one start in the minors because of obvious reasons.”

    Please explain. Isn’t obvious to me.

    Do you agree with him just sitting around that long ?

    Do you have a suggestion as to how he might stay sharp and get in a significant amount of work during the long layoff ?

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    There obviously is no pitching hierarchy in this rotation after Sabathia. There is no two or three etc. Girardi is more often than not going to set the rotation based on health, match ups, etc.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Hughes has been battling an inflammation issue, perhaps they think some additional rest will benefit him. He’ll still be throwing his side and bullpen, I don’t think three additional days rest is a big deal.

  21. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    WCYF-

    1st of all BP and side sessions are no substitute for live batters.

    2nd of all its not just 3 extra days. It will be 12 days since he pitched last. 12.

  22. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    MTU,

    If you don’t know then I can’t help you.

    A hint Cashman is going to play roster games to give Hughes a start when the upper minor leagues are on all-star break too while using a phantom injury to get Hughes back on the active roster.

  23. bruceb July 10th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Anyone else think the All Star Game has been devalued this year with all the withdrawals? Bet the fans wanted to see Jeter play for one.

  24. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    The all star game has been devalued to me for years. I don’t even watch it anymore.

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    It’s three days after the break, nine days or twelve days I don’t see that big a difference. Garcia was skipped his last start and there are the others to slot in after the break.

  26. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    With A-rod going down the Yankees should bring up Montero.

  27. REZ12 July 10th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    “Anyone else think the All Star Game has been devalued this year with all the withdrawals? Bet the fans wanted to see Jeter play for one.”

    It has become like the probowl. Then guys like CC, who should have been locks on the initial announcement, get patronized by being added when other guys drop out, knowing full well he was robbed the first time and couldn’t pitch in the game anyway and would be immediately replaced. It is like the pro-bowl where everyone gets named to the team and the biggest stars usually skip the game.

    If MLB wants to prevent this from happening, they need to make it like the NBA where it is mandatory that even players injured are at least present in the ASG city. That way, no one drops out unless they are really injured because if they are forced to make the trip anyway, they might as well partake.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    The All-Star game is a joke and it’s a shame that they use it to determine home field advantage. I see no reason at all that shouldn’t be given to the team in MLB with the best record. Period.

    Of course, when in doubt about almost anything follow the money. With baseball’s drop in popularity, Selig et al see the All_star game, home run hitting contest, etc., as a revenue, publicity, producing promotion. The game takes second seat.

  29. ron July 10th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    The yankees have a plan in place for hughes to stay stretched out as much as possible.

    They don’t need our opinions.

  30. Joe from Long Island July 10th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I believe Phil cannot be sent down to the minors for a start, to keep sharp. I believe that it would then require an option to do that, and was not a possibility. If I remember correctly, Chad, a few days ago, explained it that way.

  31. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    “With A-rod going down the Yankees should bring up Montero.”

    Here we go again!

  32. Chip July 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    With A-Rod opting for the surgery I don’t expect that the Yankees will make a trade to bring in another 3b.

    The most likely scenario is that they’ll use Nunez at 3b, have Ramiro Pena as the utility infielder and call up Dickerson to fill out the bench.

    Even with Laird’s hot streak I don’t think the Yankees are ready to throw him into the lineup.

    And if they were to look outside the organization I don’t anticipate a major player like a Mark Reynolds or Aramis Ramirez, but more likely someone a few levels lower – like the recently released Melvin Mora or a guy like Edwin Encarnacion, Casey Blake or Kevin Kouzmanoff.

    My darkhorse pick – the return of Wilson Betemit.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    The Yankees don’t set their rotation based on Phil Hughes; there are other pitchers to take into account. We don’t know who has a nagging ache or pain or who needs to pitch more than someone else. I am sure they consider everything before making a decision. I would have to guess on this point – they should be fairly competent. They are well aware how many days rest Hughes will be going on.

  34. Chip July 10th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
    With A-rod going down the Yankees should bring up Montero
    ——————

    To do what? You want to have him catch and move Russ Martin to 3b? Oh I know I know – Tex came up as a 3b; so DH Montero, play Posada at 1b and move Tex back to 3b – right?

  35. ron July 10th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    They won’t bring montero up yet.He is still on the dl.

    Nunez takes over for arod,pena the backup.

    I would love to see laird up,pena down,jones gone & one of parraz or golson & vaz up.

    Then if montero gets hot,him up,cervelli traded.

  36. MTU July 10th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Thanks Joe.

    I wasn’t around.

  37. tomingeorgia July 10th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Any one going to watch the Futures Game this evening? Wife’s a Villanova grad, and a huge fan of Szczur, who would have been a 1st round NFL pick if he hadn’t signed with the Cubs.

  38. MG July 10th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    if Arod misses 30 games it subtracts about 20 RBIs and 5 HRs from the Yankees offense over that time.

    Nunez will probably give you 10 RBIs and 1-2 HR during that stretch.

    So they will lose 10 RBIs and 3-4 HR, the rest of the team is certainly capable of picking up the slack.

    You can’t sacrifice defense by moving players out of position, that is just plain stupid and will the team far more in wins than the net loss of production.

  39. MG July 10th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    ‘will cost the team’

  40. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    One month recovery means A-Rod misses 18 games against AL East opponents. With Nunez playing every day I suspect the Yankees will want another option to spell Jeter and Cano than Pena.

  41. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    To do what? You want to have him catch and move Russ Martin to 3b? Oh I know I know – Tex came up as a 3b; so DH Montero, play Posada at 1b and move Tex back to 3b – right?

    Or Montero could simply catch some of the games and DH others. Russel martin has 1 hit in the last month. At least it feels that way. They have one position player who can deliver A-rod like offense, and its Jesus Montero!

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    They are not going to bring up Montero because A-Rod is out or for any other reason IMO. Nor should they. He has nothing to do with filling a hole at third, besides, he is clearly not ready and I wouldn’t be surprised if they are internally of the mindset that he is a trade chip if the right deal comes along and don’t want to do anything with him until the trade deadline passes.

    As to third base, the move will be be to Nunez like we saw today, with Pena backing up, possibly bringing up someone like Laird, or a cheap veteran temporary stop-gap.

    Footnote: It should be clear to all by now just how valuable Nunez is to this tea.

  43. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Nunez is more ML ready than Jesus Montero and hit .339 as a full-timer in place of Jeter. I think he deserves these AB’s and it will be interesting to see the team dynamic with him in place of AROD. You lose power but possibly gain contact and definitely add speed. I would still like to upgrade the OF if possible. It’s more necessary to do that now with Alex out. You don’t want to spend on a replacement that is only temporary at 3b plus you have Nunez there. If you spend (trade prospects) on a LF, you can have a long-term upgrade there who won’t be pushed out when the injured player returns. I think it makes no sense to trade for a 3b and all the sense in the world to trade for a long term upgrade in LF.

  44. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Nunez is more ML ready than Jesus Montero and hit .339 as a full-timer in place of Jeter. I think he deserves these AB’s

    Nunez is of course the guy that will replace A-rod/Jeter if they go down with injury, but that doesn’t mean the Yankees should ignore marginal upgrades at other positions. Russel Martin is literally a dead weight on the offensive side.

  45. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Put it this way…

    Since Alex WILL return, it makes zero sense to trade away prospects for a temporary fix rather than upgrade the offense by trading for a long-term upgrade in LF. Those prospects should go towards improving the offense in the long term and not squandered on a band-aid.

  46. stuart a July 10th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    cano went to the posada school of baserunning…………..

    should have been picked off of the 3rd….he is jorge clueless.

    CC was a monste rtoday. yep he is only good because of his team, his 2.75 ERA is meaningless!!!!!!!!!

    CC is a serious cy young candidate.

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    “Those prospects should go towards improving the offense in the long term and not squandered on a band-aid.”

    ****************

    Absolutely right on the money.

  48. Joe from Long Island July 10th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Bret @ 5:40 – this I can agree with you on.

  49. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Bret-

    When you say trade for a long term upgrade in LF, who do you have in mind? Are you wanting Gardner as 4th OF’er, or are you including him in the trade?

  50. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    And that is why I’m in favor of bringing back Melky Cabrera!

    THE MELKMAN DELIVERS :lol:

    JUST KIDDING

    I like Colby Rasmus.

    I would even trade them Phil Hughes for him. I’d keep Gardner on the bench as my 4th OF.

  51. Chip July 10th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    To do what? You want to have him catch and move Russ Martin to 3b? Oh I know I know – Tex came up as a 3b; so DH Montero, play Posada at 1b and move Tex back to 3b – right?

    Or Montero could simply catch some of the games and DH others. Russel martin has 1 hit in the last month. At least it feels that way. They have one position player who can deliver A-rod like offense, and its Jesus Montero!

    ————–

    take a look at Montero’s performance this year and tell me again why you think he can put up A-Rod like numbers?

  52. ron July 10th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    The yankees should consider signing a 3b & have arod & montero split dh duties next year.

    Not sure nunez is the answer at 3b,maybe ss.

  53. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    There are some potential cheaper upgrades than Ramiro Pena to spell Jeter and/or Cano while Nunez is playing 3rd. Jeff Keppinger is available and most likely Omar Infante.

  54. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    take a look at Montero’s performance this year and tell me again why you think he can put up A-Rod like numbers?

    Hm maybe its his long track record of hitting .300 with power. Take a look at his CAREER and tell me why you think he wouldn’t? He only hit .330 with double digit HRs last year in the 2nd half. He was OPSing .900 in his last 10 games before going on the DL with a back injury.

  55. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I like Keppinger in place of Pena.

  56. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    The yankees should consider signing a 3b & have arod & montero split dh duties next year.

    With a bum knee A-rod was playing the best third he has ever played in his yankee career. Well maybe not as good as 07 but that was a charmed year all around for A-rod. He might need more DH days but he isn’t a DH yet. Chipper Jones is like 40 and playing third and A-rod is a better athlete than him.

  57. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    “They have one position player who can deliver A-rod like offense, and its Jesus Montero!”

    And that’s a major question mark considering his AAA performance this season.

  58. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I like Keppinger in place of Pena.

    I wanted Wandy Rodriguez and Keppinger in spring training when the Yankees were pursuing a pitcher/utility guy. His starting the season on the DL dashed that but he’d be a good pickup to replace Pena.

  59. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Having Keppinger allows Cashman the ability to part with Nunez before the deadline in the event someone offers something Cash can’t refuse.

  60. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    And that’s a major question mark considering his AAA performance this season.

    Yea yea, every minor leaguer is a major question mark. Even Bryce harper will be a question mark. Matt wieters, jason heyward, all of them are question marks. The point is he has potential, doesn’t cost a thing, and if he doesn’t work out they can just send him back down to AAA. Its a no brainer.

  61. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Cashman’s not parting with Nunez with Arod out.

  62. Nick in SF July 10th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Is Arod going to play in 130 or more games this season?

  63. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “The point is he has potential, doesn’t cost a thing, and if he doesn’t work out they can just send him back down to AAA. Its a no brainer.”

    It’s not a no-brainer to me, not with him being restricted to DH and catching duties.

  64. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    I don’t think Cash would look to move Nunez…it would be a situation where a GM comes to him and puts on a full court press. It would have to be an overwhelming/compelling offer.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Hm maybe its his long track record of hitting .300 with power. Take a look at his CAREER and tell me why you think he wouldn’t? He only hit .330 with double digit HRs last year in the 2nd half. He was OPSing .900 in his last 10 games before going on the DL with a back injury.

    ***************

    Because there are a myriad of other factors other than what Montero has done in the past (note, not doing now) against minor league pitching. There are coaches and evaluators in SWB and in New York who keep up with all things Montero on a daily basis and who have discussions on all of that. There is also the possibility he may be dealt.

    Bottom line, you have no idea what is really operative when it comes to Montero, you are not privy to internal, organizational information or thinking and thus you are not at all qualified to make a decision.

  66. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Since April 25th Martin is hitting .187 .300 .287 .587 (lower today with his 0 for 3), he is at .220 .323 .384 .707 for the season which is only possible thanks to his .300/.400/.600 start to the season.

    He could be the ball whisperer behind the plate and he still wouldn’t be able to offset how bad that offense is.

  67. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Bottom line, you have no idea what is really operative when it comes to Montero, you are not privy to internal, organizational information or thinking and thus you are not at all qualified to make a decision.

    And the Yankees know everything about Brett Gardner that you don’t, so obviously they will take your need to upgrade in LF with a grain of salt since they think he is a major league starter. Of course I am not making any decisions on Jesus Montero, I’m a fan, but its MY OPINION that they should bring him up.

  68. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I’m sure the Yankees know they can upgrade LF.

    It’s not that hard to figure out.

  69. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    “He could be the ball whisperer behind the plate and he still wouldn’t be able to offset how bad that offense is.”

    Ask CC, AJ and the rest of the staff if they agree with you.

  70. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I’m sure the Yankees know they can upgrade LF.

    Gardner is one of the WAR leaders in the OF, you don’t know how the Yankees feel about his defense+offense combination. They passed on trading Gardner in the 09 offseason. They preferred to deal Melky. Tells you all you need to know how the yankees feel about ‘clutch hitting’.

  71. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Keppinger has played mostly 2nd this season.

    Bret- If you’re trading the Cardinals pitching for Colby Rasmus a .250 hitter this year, why not try and get Jon Jay whose having a good season?
    And if you like Keppinger, expand the trade to include Hunter Pence.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I’m a fan, but its MY OPINION that they should bring him up.

    ****************

    And I am explaining to you why your opinion is worthless.

  73. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    He has a career .730 OPS. Easy upgrade.

  74. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Trader,

    Keppinger in Pence is an idea!

  75. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    and Pence.

    :lol:

  76. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Ask CC, AJ and the rest of the staff if they agree with you.

    I’m sure Martin is not only a nice guy, but a good person to work with. I bet you every Yankee likes him. If I asked them, they would probably tell me that he does things that can’t be measured or some other BS. I’m sure they would say the same thing about every nice guy on the team. I’m sure they love Ramiro Pena.

    Change is difficult for every human.

  77. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    And I am explaining to you why your opinion is worthless.

    As worthless as yours, glad we’ve discovered that blog comments are worthless.

  78. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    # Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I’m sure the Yankees know they can upgrade LF.

    It’s not that hard to figure out.

    ————-

    And if they thought an upgrade in LF was a pressing need, they wold have signed Crawford (or at least made a serious offer).

    But, they didn’t.

    You may not like Gardner, but apparently the Yanks still do.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Those that choose to see Russell Martin’s great value to the Yankees only through the prism of his offensive stats don’t really understand major league baseball.

  80. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Melky is on pace for 20 HR and 90 RBI in the ROYALS lineup. He leads the team in hits and has more hits and more TB’s than Gardner. And yeah, he’s clutch. Gardner will never EVER come close to 90 RBI’s. He won’t sniff it.

  81. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    You don’t make change at the catcher’s position just to get some additional offensive support mid-season. Your pitching staff is settled in with a catcher they’re comfortable with.

  82. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Those that choose to see Russell Martin’s great value to the Yankees only through the prism of his offensive stats don’t really understand major league baseball.

    Good thing no one here is doing that. Were you campaigning for the Yankees to keep Jose Molina?

  83. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Not signing Crawford had more to do with his price.

    Gardner is an easy upgrade but you don’t have to spend 200 million dollars to do it.

  84. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    “Those that choose to see Russell Martin’s great value to the Yankees only through the prism of his offensive stats don’t really understand major league baseball.”

    Or they simply undervalued what a catcher does with his pitching staff.

  85. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Martin is going nowhere and Montero is getting none of his AB’s.

    Period.

  86. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Melky is on pace for 20 HR and 90 RBI in the ROYALS lineup. He leads the team in hits and has more hits and more TB’s than Gardner. And yeah, he’s clutch. Gardner will never EVER come close to 90 RBI’s. He won’t sniff it.

    Yet the Yankees know something about Melky you don’t, and they traded him easy. Can’t argue with the Yankees, they know everything.

  87. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    You don’t make change at the catcher’s position just to get some additional offensive support mid-season. Your pitching staff is settled in with a catcher they’re comfortable with.

    Montero is replacing Cervelli, not Martin.

  88. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Jerkface,

    You’re right, the Yankees are only half as smart as you are.

  89. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    How do you know the Braves didn’t want Melky instead of Gardner.

    If you go by this season, the Braves were onto something.

  90. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Cervelli never plays.

    Montero won’t be replacing him or anybody.

  91. Crawdaddy July 10th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    “Montero is replacing Cervelli, not Martin.”

    At one point that might happen, but not because of Arod’s injury.

  92. LGY July 10th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    The Melky-Gardner debate is back?

    You have to be kidding me.

  93. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    How do you know the Braves didn’t want Melky instead of Gardner.

    If you go by this season, the Braves were onto something.

    But then they DFA’d him so what do they know? Maybe they know something about Melky that you don’t. That he can only succeed on a bottom feeder.

  94. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    What do you think the Stros want for Pence?

    Hughes+ ?

    or would they prefer Nova + Gardner + ?

  95. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    At one point that might happen, but not because of Arod’s injury.

    Ok, but now would be a great time to do it. Imagine having a big bat that can fill in when one of ours goes down? Its like a counter-weight. Its really unbelievable that a career .310 .367 .496 .863 hitter is so looked down upon by his own teams fans.

  96. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Those that choose to see Russell Martin’s great value to the Yankees only through the prism of his offensive stats don’t really understand major league baseball.

    ————

    How ironic that you tear apart Gardner’s game for his offensive production and ignore everything else and give Martin a pass for his offensive numbers.

    At least be consistent instead of a hypocrite.

  97. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    That off season, the best FA starter on the market was John Lackey. Vazquez was by far the best option on the trade market…

    The Braves nabbed Vizcaino and Mike Dunn

    But yeah, Cash was in the driver’s seat by all indications and Cash pawned off Melky.

    It’s obvious the Braves had no control in that deal whatsoever.

    Vizcaino is now prospect #16 in baseball.

    Braves are stupid.

  98. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    The Braves almost always hold onto the guys they think can succeed, and only trade guys they don’t. They let Melky walk. Hmmmmmmm, the braves, one of the best scouting organizations ever in baseball, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  99. Vineyard Yankee July 10th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    ‘I’m a fan, but’………………………………

    ===============

    Fan first or Stat Geek ? Or vise versa ?

  100. Tar July 10th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    I agree with Jerk, the time is right for Montero.

    At this point there is absolutely no way it is going to hurt his development. Letting him play (even occasionally) against big league players can only help. Cervelli has been sucking on D anyway. Why wait? Also he gives Joe the added flexibility of a big RH bat off the bench.

  101. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Braves are stupid.

    But they let Melky go for nothing! THE MELKY CABRERA! how could they do that?

  102. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Melky has 174 total bases. Gardner has 104.

    Melky has 112 hits. Gardner has 70.

    I’ll take Melky.

    Melky is younger.

    The Braves were RIGHT to demand him along with Vizcaino and Dunn at a time when Cashman’s options were John Lackey or Javier Vazquez.

    I know it’s a close call but Vazquez was for 1 year and Lackey…well…we know how that turned out.

  103. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    The Braves were RIGHT to demand him along

    Ah now the braves DEMANDED him? Instead of wanting Gardner, the white east coast outfielder that would most likely be a bigger hit with their fans and be better equipped to patrol their big outfield, and the Yankees talked them down to Melky? You know they DEMANDED melky. They knew something about Melky, they just knew that he would blossom. They knew it so bad that they dumped him after 1 terrible year. They knew his secret powers were just waiting to emerge, but they didn’t care enough to wait around for it.

  104. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Bret-

    What do you think the Stros want for Pence?

    Hughes+ ?

    or would they prefer Nova + Gardner + ?

    —————————–
    Right now Hughes won’t bring too much. The Astros would ideally like to unload Carlos Lee, but I’m sure there would be little to no interest. Hunter Pence and Brett Wallace are their 2 best players.

    Nova and Gardner “might” get you Michael Bourn and Brett Myers, a deal that would hurt the Yankees.

    Bottom line is Pence would be costly to obtain.

  105. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Look…Cashman got SO hosed on that deal.

    Tells you everything you need to know about the Braves front office.

    They hand picked Melky.

    He didn’t work out.

    It’s really that simple.

    The point is, there was a delay and he’s working out with the Royals just fine so…maybe just MAYBE the Braves know what the heck they’re doing.

  106. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    maybe just MAYBE the Braves know what the heck they’re doing.

    if they knew what they were doing they’d have held onto Melky because they so knew he was going to break out.

  107. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    So how bout that Total Base and Hit gap between Melky and Gardner.

    YIKES

  108. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    It’s embarrassing.

  109. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    They didn’t even hold onto Mike Dunn. They traded him for Dan Uggla: .185 .257 .363 .620

  110. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    I agree Hughes’ value has taken a hit if he can’t bring back an OF in a deal.

    I mean, this guy was supposed to be an ace.

    People promised.

  111. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    In that market, in that deal, the Braves HOSED Cashman because market conditions favored the Braves who were holding the best available starting pitcher.

    They founded a team desperate for a starter and picked out WHAT THEY WANTED not what the person with NO LEVERAGE wanted them to have.

    Spin that.

  112. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    They founded a team desperate for a starter and picked out WHAT THEY WANTED not what the person with NO LEVERAGE wanted them to have.

    The braves were desperate to salary dump one of their pitchers. They wanted to dump Derek Lowe but couldn’t get any takers. How do you know they picked what they wanted? 2 of the players they acquired in the deal aren’t even with the organization.

  113. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    edit: found

  114. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    One thing the Braves do know is when to get rid of a pitcher!! Witness the sterling performances the Yankees got by trading for or signing as a FA these brave pitchers-
    Jaret Wright
    Chris Hammond
    Javier Vazquez
    Kyle Farnsworth
    Boone Logan-jury still out on him-is Michael Dunn better?

    Can you think of any others? Did great with Mike Stanton though :)

  115. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    You’re saying there was no market for Javier Vazquez that off season? You think the Braves were under pressure to move him? Is THAT how they ended up with Vizcaino? Cashman really had them cornered, huh?

  116. Good Job Bad Job July 10th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    Look…Cashman got SO hosed on that deal.

    Tells you everything you need to know about the Braves front office.

    They hand picked Melky.

    He didn’t work out.

    It’s really that simple.

    The point is, there was a delay and he’s working out with the Royals just fine so…maybe just MAYBE the Braves know what the heck they’re doing.

    ***********

    Sorry – your argument makes no sense – if the Braves knew what they were doing with Melky – they would not have given up on him after one season. Just does not make sense – nor is there any logic to it.

  117. Good Job Bad Job July 10th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    And to follow your logic – the Yankees knew what they were doing when they signed Melky as an IFA – thus they could never get HOSED – even though they traded him – just like the Braves released Melky but still somehow knew what they were doing.

  118. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Good Job Bad Job,

    That was after the fact. Melky bombed. He showed nothing. As it turns out, they were right. There was a year delay.

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    How ironic that you tear apart Gardner’s game for his offensive production and ignore everything else and give Martin a pass for his offensive numbers. At least be consistent instead of a hypocrite.

    ************

    How said it is that you can’t differentiate between the value of a starting catcher’s role on the team and a left-fielder. Please work harder to learn the game before you engage adults. Deal?

  120. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    these “Braves” pitchers as none of them were very brave!!

    BTW-I believe if I remember correctly the Braves wanted Nick Swisher.

  121. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Is THAT how they ended up with Vizcaino? Cashman really had them cornered, huh?

    Vizcaino had pitched 80 innings total in leagues UNDER A-. GCL and NYPL. Rookie rookie ball. He was the definition of a long shot. A nice prospect with tools but no where near untouchable and the kind of guy you trade for a cy young contender in a heartbeat.

    He also has a torn elbow ligament so maybe the Yankees knew something about him or his delivery or they knew that every pitching prospect is a long shot and a guy in rookie ball is of no consequence. He was 4+ years away from the majors.

  122. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    The Yankees definitely knew what they were doing when they signed Melky Cabrera as a 17 year old. He’s a major leaguer now. At 17 they knew. They thought he was a major leaguer when they dealt him – they NEEDED Vazquez or else they would’ve had to sign Lackey that off season.

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Melky versus Gardner! Ahhh the memories!

  124. Tom in N.J. July 10th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    If the Braves knew what they were doing why did they release Melky?

  125. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Oh so now Vazquez is a CY contender, a commodity of sorts yet you JUST argued that the Braves had to “dump” him. When you have MULTIPLE buyers and you are a seller, YOU, not the buyer, controls the market.

    it’s as simple as that.

  126. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    How said it is that you can’t differentiate between the value of a starting catcher’s role on the team and a left-fielder.

    Equally said (heh) is that you can’t understand how many runs Gardner saves by turning hits into outs and doubles into singles and throwing out guys at home/third/2nd.

  127. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Tom,

    Melky showed them nothing. He obviously didn’t want to be there.

    Was the decision to drop him unanimous in their front office or was it a split decision with lots of debate back and forth both ways?

    How do you know?

  128. Tom in N.J. July 10th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    AJC article at the time of the trade:

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/atla.....51949.html

  129. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Oh so now Vazquez is a CY contender, a commodity of sorts yet you JUST argued that the Braves had to “dump” him. When you have MULTIPLE buyers and you are a seller, YOU, not the buyer, controls the market.

    Who were the multiple buyers? Vazquez was a Cy Young contender in 09. But he was owed 10 million and the Braves couldn’t afford it.

  130. Good Job Bad Job July 10th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
    Good Job Bad Job,

    That was after the fact. Melky bombed. He showed nothing. As it turns out, they were right. There was a year delay.

    *********

    But under your theory and logic – the Yankees were originally right about Melky – but there was a delay – so Cashman could never really get HOSED – just like the Braves could never be charged with not knowing what they were doing. Anybody who ever had Melky in their organization would be charged with knowing what they were doing and would just be giving up on him before the delay was officially over (this season).

    The Braves dropped the ball – they gave up on Melky – they misread the situation. If Melky had his 2010 season for the Yankees he would have been gone also – and more likely than not – practically all Yankees fan would be calling for the Yankees to do what the Braves ended up doing.

  131. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Was the decision to drop him unanimous in their front office or was it a split decision with lots of debate back and forth both ways?

    How do you know?

    Was the decision to acquire him unanimous? Maybe everyone wanted Gardner or Swisher instead. How do you know?

  132. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    BTW,

    Royals Melky Cabrera is a nice 4th OF eh?

    .293 and on pace for 90 RBI’s and 200 hits.

    But nobody here feels stupid for writing him off.

    Ok.

  133. Good Job Bad Job July 10th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Who were the multiple buyers? Vazquez was a Cy Young contender in 09. But he was owed 10 million and the Braves couldn’t afford it.

    *********

    Jerk – at least one potential buyer could have been Theo – he even admitted at the time that he wanted to be in on Vazquez and applauded Cash on the trade at the time.

  134. Tom in N.J. July 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Bret-

    They thought he was untradeable and not worth the money:

    “We did not feel there was a market based on the season he had and the cost of going to arbitration with him,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5704546

  135. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    How do I know the Braves were in the driver’s seat and had their pick?

    Easy.

    I look at the market.

    I look at the buyer.

    I look at the seller.

    I determine who has the leverage.

    you have your mysterious conclusion.

  136. Good Job Bad Job July 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    BTW,

    Royals Melky Cabrera is a nice 4th OF eh?

    .293 and on pace for 90 RBI’s and 200 hits.

    But nobody here feels stupid for writing him off.

    Ok.

    *******

    I think the professionals in the Braves front office probably feel foolish for writing him off – they need the offense.

  137. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    How said it is that you can’t differentiate between the value of a starting catcher’s role on the team and a left-fielder. Please work harder to learn the game before you engage adults. Deal?

    ———–

    LOL. Funny stuff. We can compare baseball IQs anytime you like.

    Perhaps we should ask fellow Lohudders who is most full of BS within these walls.

    I’ll guarantee you the consensus won’t be me.

  138. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Tom,

    He made 3 million that year. He was NOT worth an arby raise based on that amount.

    So what? accounting.

  139. Yankee Trader July 10th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Yankee needs IMO-hate that term IMO

    Replacement for Andruw Jones
    Backup utility infielder to replace Pena while Nunez is at 3rd
    Primarily another quality reliever to handle 6th or 7th inning and spell DRob

    And also some more consistent offense especially with RISP and late in games.

  140. Bret The Hitman July 10th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I gotta get out of here.

    This is boring the crap out of me.

  141. Jerkface July 10th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Heh this is you -> :cry:

  142. West Coast Yankee Fan July 10th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    LOL. Funny stuff. We can compare baseball IQs anytime you like. Perhaps we should ask fellow Lohudders who is most full of BS within these walls. I’ll guarantee you the consensus won’t be me.

    ***********

    Don’t make me laugh. That’s like asking a bunch of crips what they think of the blood guy. Credibility quotient = zero.

  143. comet July 10th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Hey Guys. Sometimes people change and sometimes management is wrong. Part of the reason Melky was traded may have been that Atlanta wanted him and not Gardner. I trade to bring Melky back if the price was right.

    No my thoughts are not worthless. What a disgusting thing to say to someone who is trying to make a point.

  144. comet July 10th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    WCYF making friends again. I’d take GF over you anytime and the face as well. You are a trouble maker ne’er do well. Go away empty head.

  145. Don July 10th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Melky is having a great year. I wish him well.

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