Second-half question: Can Freddy and Bartolo keep it up?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 11, 2011 
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Freddy Garcia had that one start against Boston when he didn’t pitch out of the second inning, Bartolo Colon had that start last week against the Rays when he coughed up eight hits and four walks. Otherwise, the Yankees most unpredictable pitchers in spring training have become their most reliable starters in the regular season (other than CC Sabathia, of course).
“Everyone was saying that’s a big question for us coming into the year,” Sabathia said. “Freddy’s pitched awesome. Bartolo’s been unbelievable. Hopefully we can keep it going.”
Whether they can keep it going is the question. There’s no question Garcia and Colon have been outstanding. But Garcia is 34 years old, he’s had injury problems in the not-so-distant past and his ERA is a full run lower than it’s been since 2005. Colon is 38, has an injury history his of his own and hasn’t pitched nearly this well since he won the Cy Young award six years ago.
Have to be impressed with what they’ve done so far, but can’t help wondering whether they can do this the rest of the year.
“I don’t think you can say enough about our staff,” Joe Girardi said. “You can start with the starters and the job that they have done through all of this… This is a good time to have a break to let them re-energize a little bit, try to let them get a little bit of a rest before we start a tough road trip. They have done a wonderful job.”
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GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Bedard is a hockey player. He should have traded spots with Gretzkey who preferred baseball.
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Did you see where “The Great One’s” son got drafted in baseball by Chicago? How cool is that?
Can Freddy and Bartolo keep it up?
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let’s hope so.
# joeman July 11th, 2011 at 11:05 am
AP..16 seasons 240 -138..averages 190 IP per season…2251 K’s…3.88 era
CC..11 seasons ( still into the 11 year) 170-92 …averages 206 IP per season…1913 K’S…3.52 era
when CC is done wonder how close these stats will be
Girardi does a wonderful job finding ways to get his key players rest. And with Nova and Noesi as back-up, I think we’re fine in SP. Plus we have all those other prospects such as Mitchell, Warren, etc. I’m not losing sleep on this.
I’m sure that this is not the rotation that Cashman and Girardi imagined at the start of ST, but, hard to argue with the success so far when the team has to send their second winningest pitcher to the minors to make room for last year’s 2nd winningest pitcher. Are there questions? Sure, but, a lot less that what they had in Tampa back in February and March. Even a patchwork bullpen has been near stellar. Most of the bench players have played better than anybody could imagine. Only the offense has caused some problems and they’re still even in the loss column with Boston and have two games in hand. NYYs in a pretty good place at the halfway point.
when CC is done wonder how close these stats will be
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I’d think when it’s all said and done, and assuming minimal injuries, Sabathia will be well out in front of Pettitte statistically. He’s a much better pitcher than Pettitte was.
Not sure why I feel the need to share this again…maybe the whole Jeter thing has me feeling nostalgic. Just to be sure the youngsters here never forget ? Don Mattingly was Derek Jeter before Derek Jeter was Derek Jeter
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com…..id=2685722
Notice the players coming off the bench – guess who showed them how to play the right way with dignity and class? I can’t imagine that any other moments at the Stadium form 96-03 were louder than this. I was there and it was RIDICULOUS…2nd for me would be Justice’s homer in 2000 ALCS Game 6 also ridiculous
Chad,
Just want to thank you for the great work you do on this blog. You provide great info, not just on the stars, but on all the players, new guys like Nunez, Phil Hughes when he’s rehabbing or throwing BPs, minor league prospects etc. You come up with great thread topics, like today’s, even when it is a slow baseball day.
You are a great writer and I enjoy reading your work. Thank you!
At the end of this contract, Sabathia’s numbers will/should be at least close to what Mussina’s numbers were at the end of his. Then, it’s up to Sabathia as to whether to make a run at 300 and 3000
Chad, One other thought..have you or will you write a baseball book like so many other writers have?
GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Oh, boy…another day of typical baseball cliches such as “you can never have too much pitching”.
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Now don’t you look foolish? Looks like I posted something very similar to what Chad wrote. Of course you just pulled out part of what I said to better troll didn’t you?
” . . . and to count on health and production from Colon and Garcia through October is hardly a safe bet.”
# GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I’m sure that this is not the rotation that Cashman and Girardi imagined at the start of ST, but, hard to argue with the success so far when the team has to send their second winningest pitcher to the minors to make room for last year’s 2nd winningest pitcher. Are there questions? Sure, but, a lot less that what they had in Tampa back in February and March. Even a patchwork bullpen has been near stellar. Most of the bench players have played better than anybody could imagine. Only the offense has caused some problems and they’re still even in the loss column with Boston and have two games in hand. NYYs in a pretty good place at the halfway point.
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Boston’s staff is in bad shape right now, Yankees should have a short term advantage
Lester out until late July & Buchholtz they don’t know when…Beckett has had a left knee problem for a while
I don’t have figures available for quality starts between Colon and Garcia but it must be substantial.
Given some run support and bullpen help in late innings, there’s no reason why both can’t be what they’ve been.
It will be important that Burnett does the same so the bullpen is not overworked by the time Colon and Garcia’s starts are due.
You’re “bound and determined” to never be cliche free. Every post you make is full of them. Never anything that’s an original thought. Now, take your little rants and petty fights on the road. I’m not interested.
But yet you initiated it didn’t you GB 0.
I don’t have figures available for quality starts between Colon and Garcia but it must be substantial.
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Garcia = 11 QS in 15 starts
Colon = 8 QS in 12 starts
Sabathia has 12 QS. Colon has 8, as does Burnett and Nova.
I think Garcia is more likely to continue to do what he’s done to this point…..but I think the Yankees need Colon to do it much more.
Sabathia could have a chance to put up some really special career numbers if he stays healthy and has the desire to play long enough.
# GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 11:17 am
At the end of this contract, Sabathia’s numbers will/should be at least close to what Mussina’s numbers were at the end of his. Then, it’s up to Sabathia as to whether to make a run at 300 and 3000
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for 300 W’S …somewhere around 18 W’s for 7 seasons
CC is going to get at least 2 and maybe 3 years tacked on to his current contract soon.
SP I’d make a strong push for
-Anibal
-Ubaldo
SP I’d look into
-Liriano
-Pavano
-Bedard
-Vargas
-Nolasco
-Wandy
-Billingsley
-Kuroda
# blake July 11th, 2011 at 11:32 am
CC is going to get at least 2 and maybe 3 years tacked on to his current contract soon.
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I know but I can’t help thinking about having CC & Lee locked up for the next 5…
-Anibal……would part with Montero for him
Yankees CC Sabathia’s @MLB best 13 wins are the most for a Yankee in the first half of the season since Andy Pettitte had 13 in 1996. #YankeesFacts
Ubaldo……………everything is down across the board for him even his mph on FB
I think Colon and Garcia will be fine. The question to me is about Hughes’ ability to miss bats, and if not, is Noesi a better option? I really don’t know the answer at this point, other than Noesi can help them a lot in some role if given the chance.
“-Anibal……would part with Montero for him”
would be insane
Nolasco is interesting
# Rich in NJ July 11th, 2011 at 11:43 am
“-Anibal……would part with Montero for him”
would be insane
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This is no disrespect to Joe but I think some fans just want to move Montero for any pitcher out there.
# Rich in NJ July 11th, 2011 at 11:43 am
“-Anibal……would part with Montero for him”
would be insane
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a young and good SP for a kid who hasn’t played a game in the majors .. do you really know what you have with him
You can’t move Montero for marginal upgrades….that would be the worst case scenario for the Yankees.
# joeman July 11th, 2011 at 11:47 am
# Rich in NJ July 11th, 2011 at 11:43 am
“-Anibal……would part with Montero for him”
would be insane
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a young and good SP for a kid who hasn’t played a game in the majors .. do you really know what you have with him
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But you can’t give him away. Even if he’s just a slugging DH you at least have to get the most you can for him.
# blake July 11th, 2011 at 11:48 am
You can’t move Montero for marginal upgrades….that would be the worst case scenario for the Yankees.
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to me they are in a tough spot with him, it just seems like they want to see him in the minors to keep his trade value where it is, just in case something they like comes along
“a young and good SP for a kid who hasn’t played a game in the majors .. do you really know what you have with him”
I know that Martin hasn’t hit at all since April. I know that Alex’s durability is in question. I now that Jeter is 37. I know that Posada is almost 40. I know that Gardner and Swisher can be inconsistent.
I also know that Montero is their only high level, near ML ready bat in the system.
In what universe does that make sense to trade him for a pitcher not named Felix?
I would move Montero for Nick Punto. We need some grittiness at 3B while A-rod is out
joeman July 11th, 2011 at 11:19 am
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It’ll be interesting to see what Boston does. I think they will be very active…maybe pick up Andy Son from Tampa, and others as they become available. Stuff the Yankees will pass on (like Millwood) will probably end up there.
Joeman,
We just don’t know….I think that may be part of why they have kept him down but not the primary reason…..the primary reason I still believe is because they want him to be the catcher and because they didn’t feel he was ready to do that.
# Patrick July 11th, 2011 at 11:52 am
I would move Montero for Nick Punto. We need some grittiness at 3B while A-rod is out
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No no no bring back Cody Ransom because “the team is better with Ransom than it is with A-rod”
- Ian O’ Connor
Boston will be in the market for a starter and will probably make a run at Beltran……of course they have been crying poor and saying they can’t afford anything
What’s Clay Bellinger doing? Look how long it took them to win another WS after he left.
Against All Odds July 11th, 2011 at 11:54 am
No no no bring back Cody Ransom because ?the team is better with Ransom than it is with A-rod?
- Ian O? Connor
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# BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 11:54 am
joeman July 11th, 2011 at 11:19 am
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It’ll be interesting to see what Boston does. I think they will be very active…maybe pick up Andy Son from Tampa, and others as they become available. Stuff the Yankees will pass on (like Millwood) will probably end up there.
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they have some good young players in the minors but nothing that would bring back top SP…that Miller could be a big help to them
Erin July 11th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Against All Odds July 11th, 2011 at 11:54 am
No no no bring back Cody Ransom because ?the team is better with Ransom than it is with A-rod?
- Ian O? Connor
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I remember those days
Boston will be in the market for a starter and will probably make a run at Beltran……of course they have been crying poor and saying they can’t afford anything
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Chicago Trib was reporting that Boston was sniffing around Garza, but I can’t see that happening. Cubs are going to have to score pretty good in order to move Garza, IMO.
# blake July 11th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Boston will be in the market for a starter and will probably make a run at Beltran……of course they have been crying poor and saying they can’t afford anything
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they have really gone sour on JD, they will add a OFer
joeman July 11th, 2011 at 11:58 am
I remember those days
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Sadly, so do I. LOL
IMO Boston NEEDS to do something big…they saw how NESN ratings dropped last year, and know they need to put up a good show to earn those ad dollars
If O’Conner said that about Ransom, then he’s a bigger idiot than the slob that said it first. He was stupid enough to repeat it.
Forgot about Garza.
Add him to the list of SP I’d look at.
New Post- Second-half question: Is Granderson an MVP candidate?
As.Mell said….the Cubs are gonna want a lot more for Garza than he’s worth.
I can’t believe Connor honestly believed what he said.
Remind the world when Sanchez gets through two years in a row and stays healthy.
that Miller could be a big help to them
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Not so sure about that. Red Sox plotted his re-entry into the majors pretty well, setting him up against the likes of San Diego, Houston, Pittsburgh and the Orioles. In general, it’s worked out OK, but he’s put a lot of guys on base and even against weaker teams, he’s required 10-11 outs from the bullpen each time out on average. Maybe he improves some as he goes, but a good offensive team will roast him pretty good, IMO.