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Second-half question: Did May 14 change Jorge Posada’s season?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 11, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Even if you don’t know the exact date off the top of your head, you know exactly which day I’m referring to. It was perhaps the most bizarre day of the season — the day Jorge Posada couldn’t take it any more — and it might have changed everything for the better.

“Going back to that day, I’m not proud of (what happened) and you guys know that,” Posada said. “The way the relationship with me and Girardi and me and Cashman (was affected), I feel a lot more comfortable where I’m at. It doesn’t really matter (where I hit), I’m happy.”

Of course he’s happy. Since backing out of the lineup on an otherwise random Saturday in the middle of May, Posada has hit .291/.361/.444. Until that day he was hitting .165/.272/.349, and his slugging percentage that was only that high because of an early April home run binge. Since venting his frustration, Posada has gone from an absolute drain on the lineup to a productive hitter.

Because of his contract and because of his history with the franchise, the Yankees had little choice but to stick with Posada this season. They’re in a similar boat with Derek Jeter. They needed something to turn Posada around, and hitting rock bottom might have done it.

“We still have to produce,” Posada said. “That’s the bottom line. Obviously we want to do better than what we’re doing. We keep looking forward to things. That’s what (Jeter) has taught me and that’s what Joe Torre has taught us and that’s what Joe Girardi has taught us. It’s just a matter of really putting everything behind and looking forward to the next day.”

Posada couldn’t do that on May 14, but he’s been able to do it ever since. Something changed that day, and the second half will determine whether it was lasting or simply a reprieve.

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81 Responses to “Second-half question: Did May 14 change Jorge Posada’s season?”

  1. Rich in NJ July 11th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Rich,

    Eh….OPS+ isn’t everything and part of my arguement has to do with the effect that Gonzalez has on tbr rest of their lineup. The Yanks couldn’t afford to lose Granderson now……but if everyone was healthy I think they coukd absorb the loss of him more than Boston could Gonzalez. Both are important to their teams though.

    blake

    OK, I agree that the issue turns on health.

  2. blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    It seems that it did…..but that shouldn’t stop the Yanks from trying to add a bat that could DH some if Jorge relapses.

  3. blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Rich,

    Yea no.doubt……with Alex gone and Swisher hurting ……the loss of Granderson now would be pretty crippling

  4. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    IMO…absolutely.

  5. UnKnown July 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....tra_071111

    Some funny pics of Jeter off the field from SI.

  6. Mell July 11th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    More coincidence than anything else, IMO. Posada was bound to start hitting sooner or later. Maybe not at 2003 levels, but as long as he has the eye and a little bat speed, it was bound to come.

  7. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    russellmartin55 Beautiful weather in AZ. Breakfast followed by a workout to stat the day of the right foot! #ASG

  8. LGY July 11th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    btw, The guy who caught Jeter’s 3000th hit received remuneration of about $70,000 in exchange. He has a tax liability on that

    ——

    I was wondering about the tax consequences yesterday.

  9. LGY July 11th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I would target a big bat at the deadline.

    SSS but he is slumping hard again in July and I think at his age an injury at some point is quite likely.

    The Yanks need insurable at DH IMO. At least a RH bat.

  10. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Mell-I do agree that he was going to start hitting eventually. But I really do think PosadaPalooza changed his season-almost like he needed to clear the decks of everything that was bothering him and start over in a better state of mind. JMO.

  11. blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    There were 84 all stars named this year. Kinda a joke.

  12. blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Get Beltran

  13. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    BloggingBombers Ron Washington said he chose David Robertson because of his ability to get both lefties and righties out. #AllStarGame #MLB

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Granderson’s slugging is taking for granted. His power in CF is why the Yankees can carry Brett Gardner in left & get that complementary change of pace he adds to the offense.

    Without Granderson, the Yanks would have no such luxury to run out a “run prevention” borderline bat out there. That’s how valuable Granderson is to the offense.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    LGY – go peddle crazy somewhere else please. AGon leads Granderson in almost every statistical category, and despite it’s shortcomings as a stand alone measurement, – Curtis Granderson is 78th in batting average in the American League. That’s right, 78th.
    ///

    Marry him.

  16. blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    J Alfred,

    I agree with all of that.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Big bat’s in Scranton.

  18. Mell July 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    There were 84 all stars named this year. Kinda a joke.

    =========================

    There were plenty of jokes when they named the initial 68. If nothing else, they’ve remedied some wrongs.

  19. 86w183 July 11th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    He has tax liability if it’s compensation for the ball

    How owes nothing (though the Yanks might) if it’s a gift

    Since he says he didn’t ask for anything, it can easily be argued that it’s a gift

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Blake, we can add this guy’s marvelous base running instincts, his speed on the bases, & the fact that he hits triples & doubles. He’s some kind of Grand (cue John Sterling, gulp).

  21. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Yankees say A-Rod underwent knee surgery today. Went as planned.

  22. Betsy July 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Yes, Grandy is an MVP candidate, but it’s way too early to be thinking about it.

    Not sure how much Jeter has left, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s got some surprises in store for us.

    Freddy doesn’t have to keep pitching this well – he just has to be solid/good. Colon, on the other hand, has to pitch as well as he has because the rotation is shaky with AJ and Phil. I’m not sure if Colon can keep it up.

  23. lounge lizard July 11th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Jorge’s 2011 Offensive Wins Above Replacement is a negative 0.3. That is really, really bad for anyone, let alone a DH. It’s actually worse now than it was in May. His terrible baserunning factors into that. He has 9 homers but has scored only 20 runs total the entire year.

    I appreciate everything Jorge is done. It was great that he was there to greet Jeter at the plate for the 3000th. But if Cashman keeps Jorge as the main DH, he’s not being serious.

  24. Patrick July 11th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I call it like I see it.

    Buy glasses

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    Ledger_Yankees Yankees say A-Rod underwent knee surgery today. Went as planned.
    ///

    Thanks, Erin. Said a prayer for Alex prior to, just like for Joba. Seems to help :D.

  26. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    pcaldera A-Rod surgery went as anticipated, according to the Yankees. No complications. Initial rehab will take place in Miami.

  27. Betsy July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I don’t quite get the “if Phil returns to form” thing. He doesn’t have sufficient established form to know what he’s supposed to be. LOL He’s pitching on 12 days rest against the Blue Jays – that will be fun. Anyway, the point is, he’s a complete unknown and if you had to side with making a trade or not based on what he’s going to be, you have to make a trade…..IF there’s someone out there that’s obtainable for a reasonable price. If not, then the Yanks will have to do a lot of hoping and praying, esp. in the playoffs if they make it.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Patrick, LOL. I was accordingly tempted…

  29. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    A-Rods cousin has been flown in to help move rehab along. #smarterthanmanny

  30. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    Ledger_Yankees Yankees say A-Rod underwent knee surgery today. Went as planned.
    ///

    Thanks, Erin. Said a prayer for Alex prior to, just like for Joba. Seems to help

    ************************

    Can’t hurt, right?? ;)

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    If things continue as they are and you believe that Granderson has a shot to win the AL MVP sporting a batting average that ranks 78th in the AL – I’ll get glasses and you get a lobotomy.

  32. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Ledger_Yankees RT @jnorris427: Source tells me Slade is done for the year and that a second surgery is possible. #Yankees

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    & no one’s disputing that AGon is a great player. I was embroiled in an argument with the twins earlier in the season when they protested he’d not be able to adjust to the Monster. Great hitters make adjustments when they change home parks, duh.

    But the fact that I think Blake brought up, that Granderson’s putting on a power show from a critical up the middle position, adds weight to his cause (even though I don’t feel that his slugging is a nice surplus, but rather a necessity).

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    It’s smart of the Yankees to shut Slade down. No sense in him playing around with that shoulder. Sad to see, though. Heal well, kid.

  35. 86w183 July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I hope to live long enough to read this kind of news release:

    The New York Yankees announced today that Alex Rodriguez underwent botched surgery to repair a torn cartilage in his right knee. Due to a clerical error Rodriguez’ chart was switched with Alejandro Ramirez who was in the hospital to donate a kidney to his daughter. Doctors realized the mistake, but it was too late to remove the kidney from Lucinda Ramirez. Alex will begin rehab immediately and once his remaining kidney is functioning properly we’ll take another shot at fixing the knee.

  36. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I don’t understand the need to bicker over Granderson.

    Ignoring the ill-informed batting average argument going on here… Bautista, A-Gon and Miguel Cabrera are significantly outperforming Granderson at the plate.

    Defense has NEVER won anyone an MVP award for anyone to my knowledge.

  37. dan l July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    If Swisher is healthy I would like to trade him. I wonder if the Braves would be interested especially if the Yankees kicked in a little cash? Swish is versatile and can play both corner outfields plus first. He brings good OBP/power plus he’s listed as a type A free agent if his option isn’t picked up after the season.

    I would like to flip whatever prospects I could get from the Braves in a Swisher deal for Headley and Luebke even if I need to add additional prospects. Then trade with the Mets for Beltran. I believe if Beltran knew of Yankees interest he would only accept a trade across town.

  38. Nick in SF July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I bet Jorge’s numbers would look even better if you make your start date his first game after his son’s surgery.

  39. GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    pcaldera A-Rod surgery went as anticipated, according to the Yankees. No complications. Initial rehab will take place in Miami.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Erin, you need to get some work done. You’re too fast. Give others the chance to be the star reporte on the Daily Planet. Not everyone can type and spell, you know.

  40. GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    ***r***

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    No, it can’t, Erin, & I highly recommend.

  42. jackamir July 11th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Sado is TOAST… Done over and an occasional hit here and there doesn’t mean a return to those glory days. Jorge is living on past greatness that’s not what this team needs. We need one more productive bat. Beltran would fill so many of those needs. Production & experience….. Money we got. Posada salary is off the books after this year and there is no big salaries that have to be renewed. CC will take deferred Dollars.

  43. Mell July 11th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Ledger_Yankees RT @jnorris427: Source tells me Slade is done for the year and that a second surgery is possible. #Yankees

    ================================

    Very unfortunate indeed. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you wonder why he came back for that one game, and whether something happened there that made a bad situation somehow worse.

    Anyways, best of luck to the kid.

  44. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    86w183- :lol:

  45. Patrick July 11th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    If things continue as they are and you believe that Granderson has a shot to win the AL MVP sporting a batting average that ranks 78th in the AL – I’ll get glasses and you get a lobotomy.

    haha ok bro

  46. Erin July 11th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Erin, you need to get some work done. You?re too fast. Give others the chance to be the star reporte on the Daily Planet. Not everyone can type and spell, you know.

    *********************

    :lol:

    Luckily, I’m in a really, really slow period at work right now.

    The people of Metropolis need their news, GB!!

  47. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    “…..Ignoring the ill-informed batting average argument going on here”.

    ***************

    Typical dishonesty. I made no BA argument. You are well aware that Granderson’s BA was one of “many basic stats” I mentioned where he falls short of A-Gon and Bautista. One cannot discount BA completely. He’s 78th in the AL.

  48. GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    OK, Lois.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock July 11th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Betsy July 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    I don’t quite get the “if Phil returns to form” thing. He doesn’t have sufficient established form to know what he’s supposed to be.
    ///

    He’s certainly has had moments where he flashed a form we can aspire to for him. Beats deciding he’s a phony phenom with only mid to back rotation potential, which is aiming unjustly low ;).

  50. G. Love July 11th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    I think with Arod hitting the DL Posada’s role is safe. The incident in May clearly brought out the best in him offensively, but expecting him to be a force or a 5th place hitter is too much.

    With all the goodwill from Jeter’s 3000th I don’t see the Yankees waiving Jorge before the end of the season. They are probably already planning something to honor him as the season draws to a close as it would be a sure fire way to signal to Jorge that this is it for him as a player here.

    Still, at the end of the day DH is a spot that can be upgraded on this team. There will be guys available who are better bats than Jorge right now and who can contribute and offer Cano some semblance of protection.

    Jorge will have to come out of the ASB hitting well to stop the Yankees from doing another “Berkman” type deal this year.

    The team needs better production from the DH spot.

    The real story of the 2nd half is the spotlight will be on Texeria as bright as ever. If he goes through a post ASB swoon, the media will start to campaign for the Yankees to sign Pujols or Prince and start to mention Tex as not being what the Yankees thought he’d be.

    From all his quotes, especially the defensive positioning raining on his offensive parade, he seems a bit clueless about what’s coming if that average doesn’t start to go up soon.

    I’m really looking forward to seeing Tex come out on fire and carry this team post break.

    I also think we’re about to see the MVP level Cano again. Just a hunch.

  51. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    WCYF – “one of many” yet the only stat you brought up. Would you disagree that Granderson would be the 4th or 5th best MVP candidate?

  52. LGY July 11th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    He has tax liability if it’s compensation for the ball How owes nothing (though the Yanks might) if it’s a gift Since he says he didn’t ask for anything, it can easily be argued that it’s a gift

    ——-

    I don’t think this is accurate.

    Milestone HR balls are a controversial subject in tax law.

    Some people believe just catching the ball is a taxable event.

  53. Betsy July 11th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Did he hurt his shoulder throwing that punch?

  54. Betsy July 11th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    J Alfred, you want to start an argument, start it with someone else.

  55. Mell July 11th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Ignoring the ill-informed batting average argument going on here

    =======================================

    While I’m not buying the “78th in batting average” argument as especially reasonable, the fact is that since 1970, the lowest batting average for an MVP winner is the .293 put forth in the 1973 campaign of one R. Martinez Jackson. Since 1980, only once did the MVP finish below .300, and that was when A. Rodriguez hit .298 in 2003.

    Shouldn’t carry the weight it does, but apparently batting average does carry some.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    WCYF – “one of many” yet the only stat you brought up. Would you disagree that Granderson would be the 4th or 5th best MVP candidate?

    *************

    I clearly said that A-Gon leads Granderson in almost every basic statistical category long before I mentioned BA. There is no reason to post the same OPS/SLG, etc., that has been listed so many times before. A rank of 78th in BA is so low, it was worth mentioning.

    Yes, there is no question that Granderson as things stand now would be in the top 5. Maybe 3rd.

  57. Bronx Jeers July 11th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I hope to live long enough to read this kind of news release:

    ———————————————————————————-

    Maybe I’m just late to the party but why do want to read this?

  58. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Mell – It certainly carries weight with the only people that matter, the voters…

    I don’t think anyone is trying to figure out who “the voters” think the best MVP will be though, but who “should be”. In the latter case AVG would not (should not) hold a lot of water. The stat does not get ignored, but it’s certainly not something that would sway the fact that Granderson is a top5 run producer in baseball.

  59. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    WCYF – So how significant is batting average that the merits of the other 75 people with better BA’s can only slide Granderson one slot in the MVP voting in your eyes? Obviously you don’t consider it to be a very important stat based on what you just told me.

    It only seems to be important to you when you want to wedge it into an argument.

  60. sammiejohnson July 11th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    blake July 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    There were 84 all stars named this year. Kinda a joke.

    _________________

    It is getting to be a joke, but that is the way it has been trending lately. Last year they named 82.

  61. Mell July 11th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    ID:

    Good points on the voters. However, after correctly ID’ing F. Hernandez as the Cy Young winner last year, I’m ever hopeful that they’ll do a better job on the MVP vote.

  62. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Problem is a lot of the alternates already had plans for the time off, so they end up turning it down too.

  63. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    WCYF – So how significant is batting average that the merits of the other 75 people with better BA’s can only slide Granderson one slot in the MVP voting in your eyes? Obviously you don’t consider it to be a very important stat based on what you just told me. It only seems to be important to you when you want to wedge it into an argument.

    ****************

    BA would not be significant if it were presented as a stand alone. As said, it is one factor of many; albeit one that stands out like a sore thumb.

    My contention is that Granderson is not close to being awarded the AL MVP if things remain as they are today. Bautista and AGon are ahead of him.

  64. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Defense has NEVER won anyone an MVP award for anyone to my knowledge.
    ___
    Phil Rizzutto in 1950? Zoilo Versalles in 1965?

  65. RayVT July 11th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    I think Bautista has a legitimate chance at the Triple Crown this year. If he does that he will win the MVP even it the Blue Jays finish last.

    One issue that could clearly stop AGone is the continual HPB machine that RSox have been. Someone is going to put an end to it by cleaning some clocks! Ortiz, Youk, Peds & AGone are sure targets to come. I would expect Bucky in O’Land to come out firing in their next contest! Something has to stop these assaults on other team players immediately. It seems to be their main strategy to hit whoever is on a hot streak on their opponents roster.

  66. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Nick in SF July 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
    I bet Jorge’s numbers would look even better if you make your start date his first game after his son’s surgery.
    ____
    And even better if you exclude all those bad games he had.

  67. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    In 1950 Rizzutto was 1st in offensive WAR

    In 1965 Versalles led the league in runs scored, doubles, triple, WAR (all players), WAR (offense)… and had the most errors in the league.

  68. sammiejohnson July 11th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
    Problem is a lot of the alternates already had plans for the time off, so they end up turning it down too.

    _________________

    Yes, that plus the rule about SP who pitch on Sunday being ineligable makes for alternates replacing alternates.

    A couple of AL examples:

    Felix Hernandez (pitched Sunday), replaced by Jon Lester (DL), replaced by Ricki Romero.

    James Shields (pitched Sunday), replaced by CC (pitched Sunday), replaced by Alexi Ogando.

    Getting hard to keep track.

  69. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    In 1950 Rizzutto was 1st in offensive WAR

    In 1965 Versalles led the league in runs scored, doubles, triple, WAR (all players), WAR (offense)… and had the most errors in the league.
    __
    All true…but the voting wasn’t as sophisticated back then, so WAR was unavailable. And others had good or better offensive numbers…including Berra in some categories. And ZV was considered the glue that made the Twins work. Perception was more important then than stats which were not yet kept.

    The real point here and in my earlier comment about Cochrane besting Gehrig is that the voters are nuts sometimes and you can’t predict what will be important to them in as subjective a category as “Most Valuable Player.” Sometimes a certain stat gets trendy hot and sways votes… Also, there seems to be a lot of herd mentality thinking in the vote due to all the debate that process.

  70. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    ***proceeds it.*** not process…cat jumped on keyboard.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Zoilo Versalles in 1965?

    *******************

    In 1965 Versalles had the most errors in the league.

    *******************

    L M A O !!!!

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Move Posada to 3rd base. Ooops sorry my cat typed that.

  73. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    What a troll.

  74. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    bojo – That’s missing the purpose of something like WAR. If you are judging all of a players base statistics together in comparison to the rest of the league… you should come up with a list that roughly follows the WAR statistic without ever actually looking at it.

    Advanced metrics do not exist to tell us what we don’t know, they exist to prove what we can know.

  75. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Zoilo Versalles in 1965?

    *******************

    In 1965 Versalles had the most errors in the league.

    *******************

    L M A O !!!!
    ____
    I always like to leave you a little rope so you can hang yourself and make yourself look EVEN MORE STUPID…and you never fail.

    Guess what? ZV won Gold Glove that year.

    LMAOAY!

  76. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    If you look at 1949 where Rizzuto finished 2nd in MVP voting, he did not have a great offensive season by the categories that were then considered the most important (HR, RBI, BA), and it was his defensive reputation that won him so much support.

  77. Irreverent Discourse July 11th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    BoJo – He did receive preference, but it was for the position he played, not his actual production at it. Much like Mauer getting bonus points for being a catcher. Rizzutto led the league in WAR despite not leading the league in the major/usual run production categories. I think that only speaks to how valuable his bat really was.

  78. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    BTW ID–this was in reply to your comment that defense never factored into the voting, and I think it has on occasion…players noted are examples. Cochrane in 1931 is another example of how intangibles were strongly factored in. It happens.

  79. BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Your point about the position they played speaks to the value of defense at that position. In 51, Berra at C had a great year, but Rizzutto was a better defensive player—the defense was a factor IMO

  80. joeman July 11th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 11th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Move Posada to 3rd base. Ooops sorry my cat typed that.
    ——————————————–
    that has some fun to it

  81. Niblick July 11th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    What a stupid post this is.

    That day didn’t change anything. He was 3-7 in the two games before. That’s probably why he was angry that he was put at 9th.

    Chad, stop being so lazy and get the real facts for a change.

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