Second-half question: Do you believe in Greg Golson?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 11, 2011 
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CC Sabathia so thoroughly dominated the Rays yesterday, that Curtis Granderson didn’t know where to stand. He was playing center field, with a perfect view of the pitcher and the plate, but he had trouble positioning himself.
“I’m always trying to figure out where I want to be versus this lineup (with) some guys who could potentially pull the ball,” Granderson said. “But with CC keeping guys off balance I had to second-guess myself a lot today. Luckily I had Andruw to my left who has a great deal of experience. I could trust him to say, let’s move the other way, these guys aren’t necessarily going to catch up to what he’s got going on.”
It was an interesting insight into Andruw Jones’ knowledge of the game, but surely the Yankees can get more value than that out of their fourth outfielder.
Jones’ batting average is down to .195 after an 0-for-3 yesterday. He’s hitting .231/.315/.446 against lefties, but he hasn’t had an extra-base hit since May 29, which says a lot about how infrequently he’s played and about how unproductive he’s been when he’s gotten at-bats.
There is a familiar alternative in Triple-A. Greg Golson is hitting .295/.350/.432 in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He’s been especially productive lately, but he comes with two concerns: 1. He doesn’t have a history of hitting quite like this, and 2: His platoon splits are completely backwards. Golson is hitting just .196 against lefties. Another right-handed Triple-A outfielder, Jordan Parraz, also has impressive numbers with the same unusual splits (though not as extreme). Chris Dickerson is a lefty, which doesn’t let him perfectly fill Jones’ role.
Given the Yankees three outfield regulars, the team don’t need much out of their fourth outfielder. But right now, Jones’ only real value is his experience, and that’s not helping too much.
Associated Press photo
I know one thing just by watching the two yesterday Cano & Jones really get along with each other, looks like Cano’s new best bud
If I need a pinch runner or defensive replacement? Absolutely
If I need a bat? NO!!!!
I say give “huggy bear” a try.
It would be hard for him to do worse than Jones.
I’m totally over the Andruw Jones experiment, so yes, I believe in Greg Golson.
I’ve said this a few times in recent weeks but I’m not a big believer in Golson and I don’t think the front office is going to dump Jones until they find someone better.
I have my doubts whether they’ll think Golson is a better option at this point. Jones isn’t contributing much, but at least he does have a track record of being able to hit major league pitching.
Golson doesn’t even have that going for him. He’s more or less a right handed version of Dickerson – good speed, good defender, but not someone you want playing very much.
No, no and no.
As long as opposing pitchers keep feeding Jones off speed stuff, his BA will remain <.200.
I would love to see what KLong can do with Golson. Golson has great tools, and really started playing ball late (high school)…but he is still young enough and talented enough to put a career together…and in the meanwhile can PR and provide great defense.
I’d love to see him come up and replace Jones…
Ha ha, some reporter said HRD is Gringos vs Latinos.
“but at least he does have a track record of being able to hit major league pitching.”
You’d never know it by the way he’s performed this season.
Back to Curacao for him. He needs to lose that SEG.
No. Jones is a professional hitter with a track record. And he’s still doing OK against LHP. Not great, but not terrible. Enough with the “all glove no stick” guys on the bench like Pena, Golson, Dickerson, Cervelli, etc.
So if Alex misses 24 more games the wager is off?
Aug 6th is the 24th post ASG game
I would think you’re safe.
IMO, A. Jones is a “very old 34 yrs old ball player”. The kid was been playing since he was 19. Standing in CF and making all the plays to either gap.
Aside from his experience, what else does he add to this year’s team? Nothing much.
I’d much rather have Golson.
Golson is younger, faster, stronger arm(remember the throw in Tampa when Crawford was tagging from 2nd)
Enough with the “all glove no stick” guys on the bench like Pena, Golson, Dickerson, Cervelli, etc.
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Give me the all stick no glove guys like Jesus Montero!
My preference would still be to acquire Beltran or even Melky though.
Robby Cano’s pitcher tonight in the HR Derby? Former Yankee farmhand and Astros pitcher, Jose Cano.
GB-
I thought for sure he’d ask Erin.
Bit like asking whether you believe in Father Christmas. Think I believe in him more than Greg Golson. And, to be honest, if we get the answer to that question before the end of the season then we’re in big trouble.
MTU, Cano decided that it was too difficult to swing the bat with a little hottie hanging onto him.
Who will that right-handed OF bat be? From non contending teams.
Jeff Francoueur
Ryan Ludwick
Michael Cuddyer
Josh Willingham
Juan Rivera
Reed Johnson
Carlos Lee
Marcus Thames
Carlos Beltran
GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
MTU, Cano decided that it was too difficult to swing the bat with a little hottie hanging onto him.
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GB-
She lobs underhand though.
# Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Enough with the “all glove no stick” guys on the bench like Pena, Golson, Dickerson, Cervelli, etc.
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Give me the all stick no glove guys like Jesus Montero!
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keep dreaming
keep dreaming
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Dream On is my favorite aerosmith song. Dream on! Dream on! Dreeeeeeam on! DREAAAAAAAAAAAAM ON! Dream until my dream comes true dooo dododododo doo
there is only 1 player that i want the Yankees to trade for?
Heath Bell from the pads.
he’s a reliever, has no bat, but the kid can help this team.
MTU July 11th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
GB-
She lobs underhand though.
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no comment
MTU-he would win for sure if I were throwing to him. #throwslikeagirl.
# Yankee Trader July 11th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Who will that right-handed OF bat be? From non contending teams.
Jeff Francoueur
Ryan Ludwick
Michael Cuddyer
Josh Willingham
Juan Rivera
Reed Johnson
Carlos Lee
Marcus Thames
Carlos Beltran
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get me Hunter Pence
Hunter Pence
I can’t see the Yankees tying up nearly $40 mil in closers.
Erin-
I tried my best to explain that to GB.
Warning Track Power July 11th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
there is only 1 player that i want the Yankees to trade for?
Heath Bell from the pads.
he’s a reliever, has no bat, but the kid can help this team.
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I expect him and Adams to be called up to their parent club in Boston any week now.
# Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
keep dreaming
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Dream On is my favorite aerosmith song. Dream on! Dream on!
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good taste
Dante19jr Loving my days at the ball park. Every day is a new challenge.
Juan Rivera is cheap.
Joeman-
Hunter Pence would do quite nicely-full time corner OF’er with an excellent arm. Are you trading Gardner, Swisher??
Cost in prospects however too prohibitive!!!!!!!
Pence isn’t cheap but he’s good
MTU July 11th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Erin-
I tried my best to explain that to GB.
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I know. Not your fault he’s got a dirty mind
# Yankee Trader July 11th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Joeman-
Hunter Pence would do quite nicely-full time corner OF’er with an excellent arm. Are you trading Gardner, Swisher??
Cost in prospects however too prohibitive!!!!!!!
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Gardner…..
Gardner & a piece for Pence
Doubtful they trade Pence but if they do they would want a pitching haul.
I expect him and Adams to be called up to their parent club in Boston any week now.
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Wouldn’t put it past Theo’s lackey Hoyer!!!
If NYYs get an outfielder, they need a left hand power bat more than a right handed bat. Ideally, it would be a switch hitter, but, Beltran is not a likely pick-up. Cabrera, Francoeur or Rivera are more likely.
I know I am in the minority here, but I say stick with Jones unless you find someone better outside the organization. But only as a bench player, not a platoon situation.
He plays good D, and can give the team that big hit when they need it. I don’t expect anything more from a bench player.
Pence doesn’t get on base enough for my liking, but if he wasn’t too expensive he’d make a good 4th OFer.
Erin July 11th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
MTU July 11th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Erin-
I tried my best to explain that to GB.
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I know. Not your fault he’s got a dirty mind
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It wasn’y dirty. I just couldn’t think up a smartass remark.
No.
Jones sucks wind.
I want him gone.
Tired of seeing his teeth.
And the hole in his bat.
DRob30 Just finished the media session. And I stole my sign! http://lockerz.com/s/119273390
# Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Pence doesn’t get on base enough for my liking, but if he wasn’t too expensive he’d make a good 4th OFer.
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he’s a upgrade over Gardner…
I agree that getting Beltran will be difficult, but he is IMO the best fit. He provides an upgrade in RF defense, and allows Swisher to platoon with Jorge at DH–which plays to their strengths this year. Or he can rest at Dh on days where Swish plays RF…He fills the power role until ARod gets back, and when ARod returns, can provide great protection for Cano while batting sixth.
To me, he represents a major step up for the team.
I know I am in the minority here, but I say stick with Jones unless you find someone better outside the organization
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I wouldn’t cut bait with Jones either unless it’s a definite upgrade from outside the org.
None of these scrub minor leaguers GB keeps pushing.
Andruw would be in Boston in no time if the Yanks let him go for nothing.
Dream On is my favorite aerosmith song
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Small sample size of listenable songs.
LGY-
I’ll pay for the ticket.
They need to use this ASB to teach Posada how to play left field. That way, against lefties, they can play Jesus at DH and Posada in the OF.
GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
It wasn?y dirty. I just couldn?t think up a smartass remark.
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Oh, I see. Forgive me.
he’s a upgrade over Gardner…
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Huge downgrade defensively and his OBP is like Cano, heavily AVG dependent.
Andruw would be in Boston in no time if the Yanks let him go for nothing.
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So?
OOOOO….Jones would be in Boston in no time? Sounds like a double win for NYYs.
Pence doesn’t get on base enough for my liking, but if he wasn’t too expensive he’d make a good 4th OFer.
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Pence .371 OBP against righties .511 slugging average also against righties. Overall .323 BA. He’d be a replacement as a corner OF’er for every team except maybe the Cardinals.
Jerkface-
I respest your opinion but surely you jest!!! Shirley???
**respect**
Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
he’s a upgrade over Gardner…
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Huge downgrade defensively and his OBP is like Cano, heavily AVG dependent
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please don’t compare Gardner to Pence
LGY July 11th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Andruw would be in Boston in no time if the Yanks let him go for nothing.
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So let him grin like an idiot on their bench.
Jones is a lot better than these career minor leaguers that people want up here so badly. If you read some posts, you would think Laird is the next George Brett.
Jones in Boston with that short wall in left? Well, yeah…if he actually made contact.
MTU
What would be acceptable numbers offensive numbers from a 4th OF ( that doesn’t smile) and plays good Defense?
Hi everyone,
Many questionhas been posted by Chad today, let’s see…
Soriano?, i always thought it was a bad signing, but i hope he gives us some quality innings down the strech. Also hope he opts out from his contract but i doubt it.
Golson?, i say yes, give him a chance, as a said before i’ll pay Jones plane ticket to Curacao.
Garcia and bartolo?, I hope they keep what they’ve been doing so far, but i think one of them is going to break up at some point, i hope isnot bartolo.
On the trade front, I don’t think we can get a true quality starter so i would concentrate on a aceves type reliever or Wood.
More.than Andrew Jones.
luis July 11th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
On the trade front, I don’t think we can get a true quality starter so i would concentrate on a aceves type reliever or Wood.
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Names?
Tar-
Better than this :
“Jones’ batting average is down to .195 after an 0-for-3 yesterday. He’s hitting .231/.315/.446 against lefties, but he hasn’t had an extra-base hit since May 29, which says a lot about how infrequently he’s played and about how unproductive he’s been when he’s gotten at-bats.”
I think Golson can beat that, and he’s a better all around player in every other aspect.
Tar, Something between Spencer and Strawberry?
I’d settle for something close to what Spillsborghs put up last year. I’d take Luke Scott, too.
And by the way, Cervelli can disappear too.
And he can take his dreamy eyes with him.
That Spencer streak he had was incredible….brings back memories.
Pence .371 OBP against righties .511 slugging average also against righties. Overall .323 BA. He’d be a replacement as a corner OF’er for every team except maybe the Cardinals.
Jerkface-
I respest your opinion but surely you jest!!! Shirley???
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He is a RHB, thats a weird platoon split. Pence just isn’t the kind of hitter I like, he isn’t a yankee type hitter. If they acquired Pence I wouldn’t be sad or anything, but if you look at his career and this season his isoD is usually around .040. That means he has to hit .300 to put up a .340 OBP, I don’t like that. It means that the hitter won’t be very useful while slumping, where as if hitters that walk slump they can still mitigate it by getting on base.
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MTU July 11th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
And by the way, Cervelli can disappear too.
And he can take his dreamy eyes with him.
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He would look pretty gruesome if he didn’t…
“More.than Andrew Jones.”
Fair enough, I understand the sentiment.
I asked because Jones was 5 hits from being a .250 hitter. I don’t think 5 hits makes or breaks the Yankees first half.
My out look is play good D, and get big hits at the right time. That’s all I want from Jones.
Pena is even more useless than Cervelli.
Nobody ever compared Laird to George Brett. He plays decent defense ay 4 positions, has power and doesn’t strike out a lot. That’s good enough for a bench player.
Hi Bojo,
Good question, as i said last night maybe we already have him on the roster ( Noesi ), but if you don’t feel confortable with him maybe how about Clippard from the nats,
Beltran makes a lot of sense ….the price tag is the only question
RobinsonCano Even though it’s hot out here in Phoenix I’m excited to be here. On my way to the Derby now!
luis July 11th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Hi Bojo,
Good question, as i said last night maybe we already have him on the roster ( Noesi ), but if you don’t feel confortable with him maybe how about Clippard from the nats,
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How about Choate?
Bring up Laird for pena
Tar-
He hasn’t done that has he ? Get the big hits.
In fact the post points out he has barely had any big hits since May 29th.
Nope. He needs to go. Like yesterday. Doin’ nothin’ but using up oxygen and taking up space.
Curacao has really nice beaches and plenty of rum. His smile will be welcome there.
Beltran can put up the same OBP as pence while hitting 50 points lower and out slug him as well (more power). Beltran is the best OF option
I still want beltran, I don’t care what it costs. a noesi would be on the high end and it’d be totally worth it.
Choate would be good to replace Logan, but the Yankees don’t need 2 LOOGYs in the pen.
Blake-
Then he should go too.
Adios deadwood.
This is a pennant race isn’t it ?
IMO, if Cashman got Beltran and Choate, and DFA’d Jones, we’d be sitting pretty for the post-season run.
Beltran should cost less than Pence….unless the Mets won’t deal fairly
BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Choate it’s a bit too old for my liking, plus he might be due for correction to his regular career numbers, but who knows he is got impresive numbers so far
Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Choate would be good to replace Logan, but the Yankees don’t need 2 LOOGYs in the pen.
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Considering the options available, I think it helps to have 2–especially against Boston and for play-off run. We might get that second LOOGY in Manny, but I would prefer the experience Choate brings.
I still think Logan will step up in 2nd half.
luis July 11th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Choate it’s a bit too old for my liking, plus he might be due for correction to his regular career numbers, but who knows he is got impresive numbers so far
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Did you mention that you live in Florida so you get to see Choate and Marlins?
russellmartin55 Press conference! Conf?rence de presse! http://twitpic.com/5oqvdy
AndrewMarchand I asked Casey Close, Jeter’s agent, about Jeter’s absence. He declined comment.
Considering the options available, I think it helps to have 2–especially against Boston and for play-off run. We might get that second LOOGY in Manny, but I would prefer the experience Choate brings.
I still think Logan will step up in 2nd half.
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But the Yankees have a number of relievers who can get out lefties. You don’t need a specific lefty specialist. Logan and Choate can’t be trusted against righties, so you’re basically putting the burden of pitching a lot of innings on everyone else in the pen. I think it limits the BP too much. Having 2 guys who can only be good for less than inning each outing or risking blowing the game by extending them isn’t great.
Blake,
Bringing laird for pena sounds very good, props to you. On the Beltran front, it all depends on the price and i would negotiate his decline for a posible arbitration so we get the picks in the draft. I don’t like Krod no matter what he is not a good influence in the dogout
Jones is a no-brainer in my book. His OPS is not terrible, and he adds value with his defense. Plus, as September and October roll around, his experience could prove to be quite valuable.
Adams for Cervelli, Pena, Jones, and Igawa.
That’s my final offer.
MTU
We disagree. I would say Jones and Swish are having very similar seasons. Especially after 87 AB’s. If you give Jones the same amount of AB’s as Swish, I would bet they end up with very close numbers.
Again as 4th OF, I have no problem with him (or his smile)
See I smile a lot too. 
How expensive would Beltran really be? Mets won’t re-sign him, and they can’t offer him arb so they won’t get a comp pick. He is taking up $9M for rest of year (IIRC) on a team in need of cash and going nowhere…
The only issue will be who else bids for him….who has budget room to take on his contract? How much will Mets eat of it?
Boston would like him…but can they offer a package like we can? We can absorb total contract and offer some of the kids we will lose in Rule 5 anyway.
Bojo,
No, i’m not that lucky, so i don’t get to see them that often.
Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
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I think Logan can pitch to righties if he returns to form. I agree Choate is only great against Lefties.
Having both allows Girardi to better match up going forward against Boston–which IMO is a huge consideration on our way to WS.
MTU July 11th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Don’t forget to include the shades…….LOL
New Post- Second-half question: What to do with Montero?
Tar-
Mexican standoff then.
Let’s have a cerveza together instead.
Time to acquire another OF bat. The Yankees cannot live with Gardner, Swisher, Jones and Dickerson (currently at Triple A) as the OF supporting cast behind Granderson. They need to add a mid-level bat, preferably right handed that can replace Jones. Forget these scrubs like Golson. I don’t want him near the Bronx in the second half.
There’s a place for Andruw Jones and it’s in Curacao where he can gulp down tropical drinks and spend the remaining money the Yankees owe him (about $1M) plus the $12 M the Dodgers still owe him in deferred money.
bdog375 July 11th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Jones is a no-brainer in my book. His OPS is not terrible, and he adds value with his defense. Plus, as September and October roll around, his experience could prove to be quite valuable.
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What defense? You mean on the days that he decides to trot after the ball instead of walking or waiting for it to stop rolling?
I think Logan can pitch to righties if he returns to form. I agree Choate is only great against Lefties.
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Eh I find it unlikely because he has always been bad against righties, including last year where he was a good reliever overall. He throws a fastball and a slider, sliders get out same handed batters.
BoJo July 11th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Jerkface July 11th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Good point both of you, also don’t forget the likely world series foe….The Philies, very lefthanded line up
Good point both of you, also don’t forget the likely world series foe….The Philies, very lefthanded line up
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Choate has killed lefties in his career and is doing it especially well this year. I’ll take him for individual matchups and use Robertson/Mo/Soriano/Mike Adams/Heath Bell/WHOEVER the rest of the time.
Robertson kills lefties, Mo kills lefties. Soriano if he comes back can be an elite reliever. If they trade for someone awesome that will be great too. I might even trust Cory Wade over Boone Logan.
In the playoffs we want the bad relievers, even if they have specific purposes, to pitch as little as possible. We don’t want CC handing the ball off to Logan. Playoffs is when you ride your hottest relievers into the ground and having 2 short short relievers leading up to the playoffs could mean they are burnt out.
Maybe if they acquired Choate and replaced Mitre and just left Noesi as the long man whatever, but I dunno how they’d construct the bullpen with 2 LOOGYs. It’d probably be ok, but there is a chance its dumb or Girardi will use them stupidly.