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LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow at noon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 12, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a quick announcement that tomorrow I’ll be hosting a chat at noon. Seems like a good thing to do on the final day of the all-star break. My hope is to spend this afternoon and most of Wednesday taking a position-by-position look at the Yankees as they head into the second half of the season. For now, a few quick links.

• Out in Arizona, my friend Mark Feinsand has the story of Robinson Cano’s big night in the Home Run Derby. “It doesn’t matter how much money you make or how long you play, that’s the kind of memory you can always share with your family,” Cano said. “When you retire, you can look over and say, ‘Wow, I was good back in the day.’”

• One of the more bizarre Yankees stories developing out in Arizona is the idea that Derek Jeter has somehow let down Major League Baseball by not attending the all-star game. If he weren’t coming off an injury, it would be a different situation, but if he doesn’t think he should play in the game, I can’t get too worked up about Jeter not attending.

Curtis Granderson is going to be the American League’s leadoff hitter tonight.

• Speaking of Yankees center fielders, Josh Norris reports that Slade Heathcott could be heading for season-ending shoulder surgery.

• Turns out, the fan who caught Derek Jeter’s 3,000th hit might have to pay considerable taxes on the gifts he received from the Yankees.

Associated Press photo of Cano, and I’m guessing that one didn’t get out of the yard

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126 Responses to “LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow at noon”

  1. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Great article by Feinsand on Robbie’s big night. :)

  2. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    jimbaumbach Butler: McNamee says Clemens, Canseco and another person met privately, and Canseco provided drugs for McNamee to bring back to Toronto.

    jimbaumbach BREAKING: I’ve never heard that before, that Canseco gave McNamee steroids to bring back to Toronto on behalf of Clemens. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Judge says it’s “a tremendous leap” to say McNamee injected Clemens with PEDs obtained from party unless McNamee is sure he got drugs there.

  3. heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    A trade that could help two players and two teams would be for St. Louis to trade Rasmus to Tampa for Upton
    ******

    A “change of scenery” trade…I can dig it. Takes care of a lot of headaches for both teams, and players of similar potential.

  4. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    No package including Nova does it for me for Colby Rasmus the 4th best OF’er on the Cardinals.

    Now if you’re considering Royals Alex Gordon for fulltime LF duty, I’m in!!

  5. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    • One of the more bizarre Yankees stories developing out in Arizona is the idea that Derek Jeter has somehow let down Major League Baseball by not attending the all-star game. If he weren’t coming off an injury, it would be a different situation, but if he doesn’t think he should play in the game, I can’t get too worked up about Jeter not attending.
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    I think they are wondering why he’s not there at all….there are a number of players there that are injured and not playing….

  6. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    jimbaumbach Judge doesn’t see how any connection can be made between Canseco party and McNamee allegedly injecting Clemens with steroids in Toronto.

    jimbaumbach If defense uses pool party to undermine McNamee’s credibility, judge says it’s fair game but is “collateral” to the jury’s concern. #clemens

  7. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    # heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    A trade that could help two players and two teams would be for St. Louis to trade Rasmus to Tampa for Upton
    ******

    A “change of scenery” trade…I can dig it. Takes care of a lot of headaches for both teams, and players of similar potential.
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    again the want SP & RP back not a position player

  8. champ809 July 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    repost

    champ809 July 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am
    The Rays would absolutely consider a Shields for Rasmus deal as Shields will have to be traded in the offseason anyway because his arb $ will be too much for them too handle. They would have preferred to have traded him over Garza last offseason but Big Game James was coming off a terrible season with a high salary so he wasn’t as attractive. He’ll be highly attractive coming off a CY caliber season if he keeps this up.

    If the Rays could work a deal for Rasmus then they could move BJ to the Nats for Danny Espinosa and move him to SS. With Joyce coming into his own the could run out a lineup of

    Jennings- CF
    Zobrist- 2B
    Rasmus- Rf
    Longo- 3B
    Joyce- LF
    Espinosa- SS
    Kotchman- 1b
    + dh & C

    and still have enough SP with Niemann back and guys like Matt More near ready to come up…

    I’d bet that Rasmus ends up in Atlanta though for maybe Jjurjens…Rasmus and his dad both really wanted for him to end up in Atlanta to play for their fav team and be back home in GA.

    Rasmus/Heyward/McCann/Freeman would be a sick LH core lineup to build around….

    The Cards would have a ‘ro of Wainwright/Jair/Jaime and Shelby Miller to anchor the franchise for the next 4-5yrs that would rival anybody in the game…

  9. champ809 July 12th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    in fact the Rays could pry Jesus Flores from the Nats as well in that BJ deal and he’d give them the catching compliment to Jaso that they need…

  10. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I think they are wondering why he?s not there at all?.there are a number of players there that are injured and not playing?.

    ****************************

    I wonder why they’re not on CC’s case for skipping it to go to the Bahamas. ;)

  11. rl1856 July 12th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Mr. Lopez should change how he gave the ball back to Derek Jeter. Everyone understands that the ball has a monetary value and that Mr. Lopez technically owned the ball. If Mr. Lopez were to have donated the ball to Jeter’s foundation, the Yankees foundation or to Cooperstown, he would have received a substantial tax deduction for his charitable gift. The size of the deduction would have more than offset any tax liability from his receipt of gifts from the Yankees. In addition he would be able to shelter a portion of his income for the next several years, making it easier to pay off his student loans and other debts. Win Win for everyone. Absent a solution like this, I think the Yankees should provide additional assistance.

  12. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    champ809-

    very interesting except I don’t think the Braves will trade CY candidate Jair Jurrjens for Colby Rasmus. They already traded, a very bad trade at that, Adam Wainwright, Jason Marquis and Ray King for JD Drew and Eli Marrero.

  13. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I think they are wondering why he?s not there at all?.there are a number of players there that are injured and not playing?.

    ****************************

    I wonder why they’re not on CC’s case for skipping it to go to the Bahamas.
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    jeter to show because of the 3000…kind of a nice feat that baseball might have played up at the game

  14. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    JD Drew…Sox can’t wait for him to leave

  15. Tom in N.J. July 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Media: Why won’t Derek Jeter come to the All Star Game and let us shower him with platitudes, clichés and sonnets?

  16. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Trader,

    C’mon man, Nova for Rasmus is a no brainer. If the Rays would trade Shields for him, we’d have to do better than that. It’d be Nova + Gardner. Rays can’t top that.

  17. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    How dare A-Rod skip the All Star game. He’s already up and about and exercising with Cameron Diaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. upstate kate July 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    If Jeter attended the ASG it would have become the Jeter show. By him not attending, the other All Stars get their opportunity to shine.

  19. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    # Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    How dare A-Rod skip the All Star game. He’s already up and about and exercising with Cameron Diaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    he still with her ?

  20. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    It seems like a lot of folks here don’t think too much of Colby Rasmus.

    He might really blossom under Long and in pinstripes.

    Then again maybe he wouldn’t.

    His Father really seems to like to interfere.

    That probably wouldn’t change.

  21. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    he still with her ?

    ************************

    yes

  22. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    # upstate kate July 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    If Jeter attended the ASG it would have become the Jeter show. By him not attending, the other All Stars get their opportunity to shine.
    —————————————————
    right…he never looks comfortable talking to the media and getting all that attention

  23. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Bret-

    They could but I doubt they would.

  24. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Bret-

    Rasmus strikes out a lot, is not hitting righties very well .241 BA with OPS .708.
    Don’t you think the Yankees could do better than Rasmus? Jon Jay is having a better year for them.

  25. heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    MTU July 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    It seems like a lot of folks here don?t think too much of Colby Rasmus.

    He might really blossom under Long and in pinstripes.

    Then again maybe he wouldn?t.

    His Father really seems to like to interfere.

    That probably wouldn?t change.
    ***************

    The Yanks have unfortunately been burned by meddling fathers in the not-too-distant past

  26. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    MTU,

    First choice for long term upgrade in the OF is Justin Upton but he is the face of the D-backs. Towers would just as soon trade him as he did Jake Peavy – only AFTER he is overpaid damaged goods.

    Colby Rasmus is the next best option to upgrade the OF long term starting now.

    We have to wait for Matt Kemp unfortunately. If we get him, bonus.

    In the meantime, I think Rasmus is a realistic target and a good buy low upgrade over Gardner.

    I’d do Nova + Gardner, maybe even Hughes + Gardner and stick with Nova over Hughes.

  27. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    would you trade Gardner and Nova for Pence

  28. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I would definitely do Nova + Gardner for Pence but Rasmus is more attractive because his salary is low and that allows the Yankees to reinvest the cost differential between Rasmus and Pence.

    Plus, Pence is a buy high. His value is inflated because he’s having an up year.

    Rasmus is much younger, cheaper and having a down year, so you might be able to get the better player at the same price.

  29. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Jeter said in an interview that he was physically and mentally exhausted with this 3,000 run to try and finish it in NY. How much truth there is in it, I have no idea since the source (shockingly is anonymous). Of course, it was poo-poed by two of the biggest jackasses in sports media, Caple and Stark.

    “According to a report on FoxSports.com, which cited anonymous sources, Jeter will not be attending the festivities because of “emotional and physical exhaustion” from his pursuit of 3,000 hits.

    A source familiar with Jeter’s thinking told ESPNNewYork.com’s Andrew Marchand that Jeter “couldn’t win” either way, but thought it would be best for his second half if he rested during the break.

    “I’ve been lying to you guys for a long time saying I wasn’t nervous,” Jeter said on Saturday afternoon after reaching the milestone at Yankee Stadium. “I wasn’t nervous and there is no pressure. There was a lot of pressure to do it here.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6759466

  30. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Bret-

    I understand your position.

    I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on Rasmus. It just depends on the price.

    I don’t like trading away young pitching. Especially young ones with the potential of a Hughes or Nova.

    I’m looking forward to either Kemp or JU. Preferably the latter.

  31. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Rasmus is much younger, cheaper and having a down year, so you might be able to get the better player at the same price

    ============================

    Better player? Where’s the evidence of that?

  32. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I’m amazed at the man-crush you guys have on this guy. Colby Rasmus is not worth an All-Star caliber starting pitcher. Not even close. Yes he’s talented, but the idea of giving up Nova or Hughes AND Gardner is way too high of a price.

    What has he done? hit .280 or better? No. His 25 HR? No. Driven in 70 + runs? No. Stolen 15+ bases? No. Have more assists than errors? Again, No.

    Shields is due $ 7 M next year with a $ 2 M buyout. The Rays can afford that.

  33. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Mell,

    I meant, potentially the better player.

    Besides, Pence is too close to FA to give up a package of Hughes + Gardner or Nova + Gardner. Much rather have Rasmus the lefty in Yankee stadium and bank on Long turning him into Curtis Granderson 2.0.

  34. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    86-

    I don’t think the Rays would trade Shields unless they think they are out of contention.

    For now they need him to have a chance to succeed at making the playoffs.

  35. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    # Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Rasmus is much younger, cheaper and having a down year, so you might be able to get the better player at the same price

    ============================

    Better player? Where’s the evidence of that?
    ————————————————————–
    I for one thinks that Pence is and will be a better player than Rasmus…

  36. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I’ll give the Marlins Nova and GGBG for Stanton.

    :)

  37. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Pence has to be the new face of the Astros. He’s a guy they can build around.

    I’m sure Rasmus can be had, but if the price is Nova or Hughes and Gardner that’s just ridiculous. Gardner is a more accomplished MLB player than Rasmus is. Rasmus certainly has a higher ceiling.

  38. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    NYYs finally have a stable of outstanding young pitching and suddenly people want to include multiple young pitchers for an underperforming corner outfielder. You trade one of the good ones in a package deal. You don’t trade one and certainly not two of the best in that deal for that player.

  39. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Just get Carlos Beltran, keep Gardner, dump Andruw Jones, trade for Jeff Keppinger or Omar Infante, send Pena along with Cervelli back to the minors, bring up and free Jesus, and find one more quality reliever who gets out righties and lefties.

    Long winded enough.

    Yankees win #28 against the Phils.

  40. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    YT-

    Why so realistic ?

    :)

  41. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Joeman,

    Fair enough…but you bring him in and you can forget about having him and Kemp in the same OF. He reaches free agency either the same time as Kemp or 1 year after.

    If you trade for Rasmus who makes nothing, you have a chunk of money because of the cost differential. You can allocate some of that money for Kemp.

    So when I consider the whole roster, I’m more bullish on a Rasmus acquisition.

  42. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    MTU — Now your talking!

  43. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    GB-

    I’m sorry you and I even posted the ST Louis reporters rumor in the 1st place about his idea for a trade of Rasmus to the Rays.

  44. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Bret

    I’m not familar with Rasmus but he would have to be awfully good to give up a SP and a potential GG outfielder.

    That’s alot for someone you hope Long can help.

  45. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    86-

    Just to show you how greedy I am. I want JJ, nunez, and Hanley.

    Heck. I’d even settle for Anibal just to tweak the Sux.

    That ain’t asking for much is it ?

    :)

  46. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    MaineYankee,

    Maybe the Cards would do Nova for Rasmus straight up or Hughes for Rasmus straight up. Both are underachievers.

    Then you can keep Gardner in the mix to motivate Rasmus or you can spin Gardner at a later date if you need more pitching.

  47. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Not if you include Cervelli and Backman!

  48. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    BRackman

  49. CountryClub July 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Anybody who thinks that Jeter was going to go there to waive to the fans and to get a plaque from MLB (in other words, making it all about jeter) hasnt been paying attn for the past 16 years. The guy hates being singled out. The whole thing is so silly.

  50. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    since April’s BA .290 it’s .253-.213. and so far in July .147. The Cardinals will be lucky to get a quality starter for overhyped Colby Rasmus!!

  51. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    86-

    No problem.

    I’ll even throw in Igawa for free. Along with complimentary sunglasses.

  52. heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Remind me why we are so eager to trade away good, young, cheap starting pitching? Especially considering there are no solid pitching alternatives on the FA market?

  53. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I would trade Nova for Rasmus or Pence.

  54. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The overhyped Hughes straight up for the overhyped Rasmus might be a fair deal. Then Nova gets is spot back, and Andrew Jones gets dropped with Gardner becoming the 4th OF or trade bait.

    I wouldn’t cry.

  55. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    I’m not sure why you call Nova an underachiever.

    Is Hughs an underachiever or injury prone?

    Would you give up an outfielder you think can compare to Grandy for an underachever?

  56. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    I was calling Hughes an underachiever, not Nova.

  57. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Blake-

    I’ll really bend your mind now.

    Would you do the same straight up for Hughes ?

  58. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    If the Yanks were willing to move Hughes, Nova, Montero, Banuelos and Romine they might get Rasmus AND DeJesus!

    Later gang

  59. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Blake-

    Nova for Rasmus?? Since April’s BA .290 it’s .253-.213. and so far in July .147. The Cardinals will be lucky to get a quality starter for overhyped Colby Rasmus!!

    Peruse his stats:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....pe=Batting

  60. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I’m sorry you and I even posted the ST Louis reporters rumor in the 1st place about his idea for a trade of Rasmus to the Rays

    ===============================

    Kinda what these boards/blogs are all about. Rumors, trades and such. One thing that stood out to me is that the GM would require “a significant return” which tells me they’d expect an overpay, which I suspect is not coming.

  61. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    “Remind me why we are so eager to trade away good, young, cheap starting pitching”

    I only would for a young cheap outfielder with a high upside.

  62. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Would you give up an outfielder you think can compare to Grandy for an underachever?

    *************

    This question is too easy.

    Because maybe if you’re the Cards, you’re short on pitchers, deep with OF’s and feel you can turn around the underachieving starter with Dave Duncan but not the pesky underachieving hitter with the annoying father.

  63. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Tampa Yanks of the GCL lead 6-5 in the 3rd inning. Center Fielder Ravel Santana has his 4th homer and 10th RBI, Bichette is 2-2 with an RBI, Claudio Custudio is 1-2 with his 11 steal and hitting .395. and Tyler Austin is 1-2 with an RBI, hitting .380 and 10 stolen base.

  64. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Who do you think has a higher ceiling ?

    Mike Stanton, JU, or Kemp ?

  65. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    I was calling Hughes an underachiever, not Nova.

    —————————————————————————————-

    So I’ll ask again, would you give up an outfielder you think can compare to Grandy for an underachever?

  66. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    with Gardner becoming the 4th OF or trade bait

    ========================

    What’s Gardner done that he’d be asked to take a backseat to Rasmus? I know who’s ceiling is higher, but I also know who’s been the better player. Better player plays.

  67. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Trader,

    That’s a small sample and he’s really talented and not a FA until 2015. Its a trade that coukd pay off big time and sometimes I think you have to make moves like that.

    MTU,

    No I probably wouldn’t

  68. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    So I’ll ask again, would you give up an outfielder you think can compare to Grandy for an underachever?

    *********

    So I’ll tell you again.

    Because maybe if you’re the Cards (and you don’t have Kevin Long), you’re short on pitchers, deep with OF’s and feel you can turn around the underachieving starter with Dave Duncan but not the pesky underachieving hitter with the annoying father.

  69. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Mike Stanton, JU, or Kemp ?

    ===================

    Upton.

    Keep an eye on Kemp though, since he’ll be the only available before 2016.

  70. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    MTU,

    Upton IMO but that’s really splitting hairs….all those guys are super talented.

  71. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Blake-

    So you think Hughes is better than Nova, or has more potential ?

    That’s interesting. Many here would disagree with you on that.

  72. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Mell,

    I guess you could start Gardner and make Colby Rasmus the 4th OF. That wouldn’t last too long in all likelihood, as teams would call on Gardner just like the Royals and Cubs did after Cash traded for Granderson.

  73. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    I think Upton COULD be available after 2012 depending on how good the DBacks are at the time…..he starts making real money after that……if course you’d have to trade for him whereas Kemp will be a FA.

  74. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
    GB-

    I’m sorry you and I even posted the ST Louis reporters rumor in the 1st place about his idea for a trade of Rasmus to the Rays.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Trader, like you, I was just trying to fill some time. We should have known that it would drag the usual loons out trying to trade the farm system for a player that may or may not be an upgrade. Guess I’ll have to be more careful.

  75. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Bret

    I sent that before I saw your response.

    I think that move only works for you but not for the Yankees or the Cardinals.

    After the time the Yankees invested in Hughs I don’t think they’re ready to sell low.

  76. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    MTU,

    I still believe in Hughes long term and think he will be the better pitcher over the long haul…..JMO.

  77. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    The OF couldn’t accomodate Upton with his pay raise + Kemp with his FA salary.

    Rasmus + Kemp is doable.

  78. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Mell-

    Kemp is the most available. For sure.

    Does anyone think that Hanley could be salvaged and converted into a decent COF ?

    If so, what would you offer for him ?

  79. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    GB,

    Ohh, can it dipstick.

    Loons?

    Last year you said Kemp is going to eat his way out of MLB.

    How’s that working out for you?

  80. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Who do you think has a higher ceiling ?

    Mike Stanton, JU, or Kemp ?
    ————————
    Stanton-21
    Upton-23
    Kemp-26

    Towers owes Cashman. Probably were talking last night in his skybox about Justin Upton for Montero, Noesi and Vazquez!! LOL

  81. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    My dream OF (posted earlier) :

    Kemp, Curtis, and JU/Stanton.

    If you’re gonna dream. Dream big.

    :)

  82. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    I think the problem with Hanley is that the Marlins will value him as a SS and Im not sure how much longer he can be one

  83. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Bret

    The thing that drives this is you don’t value the Yankees players enough and overvalue Rasmus.

  84. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Maine,

    Maybe it all depends on what the Yankees think they can do with Long and Rasmus as well as what they can’t seem to accomplish with Hughes developmentally and what the Cards can do with Dave Duncan and Hughes that the Yankees couldn’t do and what the Cards can’t do with Rasmus because they don’t have a Kevin Long.

    There are many possible outcomes.

  85. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    What’s Gardner done that he’d be asked to take a backseat to Rasmus? I know who’s ceiling is higher, but I also know who’s been the better player. Better player plays.

    —————————————————–

    I agree. Rasmus may have more offensive upside but Gardner brings things to the table as well.

    The team has sufficient power as is.

    And Gardner has performed well here. You’re always taking a chance bringing someone new into this environment.

  86. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    YT-

    That wouldn’t cut it.

    Towers KNOWS our system.

    Then again he does owe Cashman.

    ;)

  87. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    GB,

    What I’m trying to say is, if you’re going to feed me that loon garbage, I’m going to turn around and shove it right back down in your throat.

  88. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    So maybe aim for more courtesy/style points when addressing fellow fans.

  89. Joe from Long Island July 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Whenever I need a break, I can count on the LoHud Yankees Blog for comic relief :) If it’s not the trade proposals, it’s the witty interplay between the folks here.

    The only thing missing is Pete coming back to have at it with some people….

    Now, that would be entertaining!

  90. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    YT-

    And by the way, The D-backs are not allowed to have two catchers named Montero.

    It’s against the rules (The ones i just made up).

    :)

  91. Warning Track Power July 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Congrats to Cano. Nobody believed me when I told several people that Cano was going
    to win the HR Derby.

    Even better that Cano defeated someone on the red sux. That felt incredible.

  92. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Well, Trader Bret (much in the line of Frank (Trader) Lane, who made trades just for the sake of making reades and didn’t have to make sense), you at least know that you’re one of those loons.

    What I said about Kemp is fact…that if he wasn’t careful, he’d eat his way out of baseball. Name another 250 pound center fielder. This year, he seems to have dropped about 30 pounds.

  93. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Upton starts making 10 million in 2013 and then 15 million in 2014 and 2015. If the Dbacks aren’t competitive by then then Ill think they’ll move Upton…..problem is that they very well coukd be competitive in that division by then…….heck they are now.

  94. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Yankees couldn’t do and what the Cards can’t do with Rasmus because they don’t have a Kevin Long

    ============================

    Every team has a Kevin Long. They just have different names.

  95. NYYROC July 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    IMO right now Nova is pitching better than Hughes. But Hughes has a much bigger upside, we’ve seen it:The 2007 game vs Texas, his 8 IP 10K SO vs Texas in 2009, his dominance in the BP in 2009, his almost no-hitter vs Oak in 2010, his 2010 playoff game vs Minn. Nova hasn’t had 1 game like any of those. Hughes just needs to stay on the mound and pitch. I think Nova will be good too, but Hughes can be better.

  96. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Blake-

    Ramirez would need to get the jello out from between his ears and off of his belly.

    He is very, very talented when focused.

    I think he might be able to play a good COF. He has the power, arm, and probably the footspeed.

    It was just a curiosity type question. I’m surprised that he is such a forgotten man.

  97. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Well, prospect hugger GB (much in line with Tree huggers, who hugged trees just for the sake of hugging them and didn’t have to make sense), you at least should accept that when you step on the loon-o-meter, you set off the alarm effortlessly.

  98. Yankee Trader July 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Goodbye for now.

    Just get Beltran, get Keppinger or Infante while A-Rod is out[the bench is better] and find 1 more quality reliever.

    5 off days and 2 DH’ers the rest of the season starting Thursday. The Yankees will need the above to get thru the grind of the 2nd half.

  99. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Upton starts making 10 million in 2013 and then 15 million in 2014 and 2015. If the Dbacks aren’t competitive by then then Ill think they’ll move Upton…..problem is that they very well coukd be competitive in that division by then…….heck they are now

    ========================================

    The other problem is that $10M will be a steal and $15M will likely be considerably better than reasonable for what he brings. He’ll never be a salary dump. If he goes, they’ll be looking to plunder some teams farm system in return.

  100. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    MTU,

    Hanley is super talented but Im not backing the prospect truck up to get him. He could be a big change of scenery guy though as he and the Marlins have ran their course.

  101. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    In the last year, Trader Bret has traded everybody on the 25 man roster and everyone in the system at least 3 times, including players that he doesn’t even know the Yankees have, and still doesn’t have any players, so, he’s starting over.

  102. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    NYYROC-

    There are many people on this board who would probably disagree with you.

    Not saying I’m one of them but Nova is coming on strong.

    Hughes has a doberman nipping a this heels.

    ;)

  103. jacksquat July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    If Jeter does not want to be there, that’s fine with me. He was not deserving anyway, from a performance this year (or last) standpoint.

    But let’s stop with the injury and needing physical rest stuff. He went 5-5 on Saturday, hit a bomb for #3000, and attempted 2 stolen bases. On Sunday he bunted for a hit. His leg seems fine. He might have little nagging aches and pains, but probably all of the players going to the All-Star game do also. Besides, they play maybe 4 or 5 innings in 3 days, it’s basically a break anyway.

    I’d guess he just wanted a mental break and/or vacation time with Minka.

  104. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Mell,

    Yea….10 million no…..but I doubt they’ll want to pay that 15 million per at the end of the deal if they aren’t a good team……but no he will never be a salary dump because he’s 23 years old.

  105. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Joe from Long Island July 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am
    Whenever I need a break, I can count on the LoHud Yankees Blog for comic relief If it’s not the trade proposals, it’s the witty interplay between the folks here.

    The only thing missing is Pete coming back to have at it with some people….

    Now, that would be entertaining
    ———————————————————————————–

    Pete still is doing it only to RS fans instead of us. :lol:

  106. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    MLBtraderumors has a brief assessment of the trade market position by position. All nine spots, DH, starting pitching, right handed relief and left handed relief. Only positions that rated a strong market were CF and right handed relief. Caveat: They are not yet including the Twins (only 5 out in the AILC, 6.5 overall) and Rockies as sellers.

  107. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Get H. Ramirez out of Miami, carve about 25-30 pounds off of him and put him in a corner outfield and he might come back around to his talent level.

  108. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Blake-

    Exactly my point. COSG. The talent may still be there.

    Who would you give for him ? Where would you put him ? Is he even available ?

    Mell-

    I know we disagree on this but I think you under rate Long and coaches in general.

  109. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    “Get H. Ramirez out of Miami, carve about 25-30 pounds off of him and put him in a corner outfield and he might come back around to his talent level.”

    Yea I agree….possibly.

  110. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am
    MTU,

    Hanley is super talented but Im not backing the prospect truck up to get him. He could be a big change of scenery guy though as he and the Marlins have ran their course.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    I’m not a big fan of change of scenery guys.

    Especially if it pertains to effort or attitude.

  111. Warning Track Power July 12th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Jeter deserves to rest at home vs. having to be at the all-star game.

  112. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I’m basically anti-trade when it comes to top tier prospects, so I hope the Yankees do nothing unless it’s trading B prospects (that’s not Romine) or veterans.

  113. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Thank you GB.

    That’s my point. That guy has every tool but desire. If he can be made to get that back he’s a killer. Big if, I guess.

    Joe-

    Last I heard PA was being fitted for a blue dress at a local tent maker.

    :)

  114. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    But let’s stop with the injury and needing physical rest stuff.

    =======================

    Gotta walk a mile in the man’s shoes before making such an assessment. He’s had a tough year, with some injury issues and it is hard to imagine the slow climb to 3000 wasn’t a drain on him.

  115. heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
    Get H. Ramirez out of Miami, carve about 25-30 pounds off of him and put him in a corner outfield and he might come back around to his talent level.
    ************

    Not entirely convinced he’d mesh with Girardi, who seems (to me at least) to be a disciplinarian style coach. But I do think guys like Robbie and A-Rod would help a lot to help with the maturity issues.

    That being said, fat chance you’ll see Hanley in pinstripes

  116. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    New Post: Yankees organizational all-star team

    :arrow:

  117. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Maine-

    We just dig our spurs into him is all.

    He’ll buck.

    ;)

  118. heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    I?m not a big fan of change of scenery guys.

    Especially if it pertains to effort or attitude.
    *********

    Depends on the guy – all Swish needed was a change of scenery

  119. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Would Hanley make a good COFer? I’m just wondering if he fits the type, not being a huge power guy. Though it would be interesting to see him come here and do well… especially for Theo, I’m sure.

  120. blake July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    MTU,

    I think they’d maybe trade him…..but they would want a ton im guessing because they’d value him as a SS. He’s 3b or corner outfield bound without a serious work ethic change…..I wouldn’t pay what they’d ask I don’t think…….but if I got him Id work him at 3B and LF/RF.

  121. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Shame-

    You’re wrong about that. Hanley definitely has power.

    ;)

  122. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    heyman_sux July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
    I?m not a big fan of change of scenery guys.

    Especially if it pertains to effort or attitude.
    *********

    Depends on the guy – all Swish needed was a change of scenery

    ——————————————————————————

    I didn’t say I didn’t like any, just need to be very selective when you chose.

  123. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Shame, if Ramirez got himself into shape, he’s a steady 30+homer and 25-30 steal guy. Hit somewhere around .295-.320. Right now, he resembles an out of shape water buffalo wallowing around out there at shortstop.

  124. MTU July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    GB-

    Maybe he’d like to play on a championship caliber team with championship caliber Latino players ?

  125. MaineYankee July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    GB7

    Maybe Theo will get him back.

    He didn’t want to trade him in the first place.

    He could hang around with Beckett and Paps to learn how to have a good attitude.

  126. -Matt- July 12th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Chad, the same people who are now moaning about Derek Jeter not playing the All-Star game are the same people who said that he shouldn’t be in it

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