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Yankees at the break: Catcher

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 12, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the Yankees decided to move Jorge Posada to designated hitter, they had three choices: Give the job to one of their prospects, take a chance on Francisco Cervelli full time or sign a free agent. They decided to go after Russell Martin, and the results have been mixed.

First half
Through the first month, the Martin signing seemed inspired. Jesus Montero and Austin Romine had flopped in spring training, and Martin came roaring out of the gate with a .293 average and six home runs in April. He’s hit just .185 since then, but the pitching staff seems to love everything about him – his personality, his game calling, his ability to block A.J. Burnett’s curveballs – and it says a lot about the state of catching in the American League that Martin was voted to the all-star team on the players’ ballot. Good everyday catchers are hard to find, and Martin’s been better than most.

Second half
Even if he doesn’t hit, Martin has value for his ability to work with pitchers and play reliable defense behind the plate. Martin’s been banged up through much of the year, and the Yankees seem to think that might have contributed to his slumping offensive numbers. The Yankees also have Jesus Montero waiting in Triple-A. His power numbers aren’t nearly as good as everyone expected this season, but there still seems to be little doubt that he will be a middle-of-the-order hitter in the big leagues. If the Yankees decide Martin’s defense isn’t enough to make up for his offense, they could call up Montero.

The minors
Montero is the big name, and even without his usual power, he’s still be a pretty good hitter in Triple-A. A step below Montero, Austin Romine has pretty similar numbers in Double-A (he’s also hit for average, but not much power). All the way down in Charleston, the Yankees top lower-level prospect, Gary Sanchez, has gone through an inconsistent first full season in the minors. The organization’s breakout star behind the plate might be J.R. Murphy, who hit his way out of Charleston and is still waiting for his first Tampa home run.

One question
Are there enough at-bats for Montero off the bench?
The Yankees don’t have to pick one or the other. They could carry both Martin and Montero, but it only makes sense if they believe Montero would get enough at-bats while splitting time behind the plate. He’s certainly a better hitter than Cervelli, but the Yankees would have to be sold on Montero’s defense and they would have to make sure he got enough playing time – either at catcher or DH – to continue his development.

Beyond 2011
There are plenty of options here. Martin is still arbitration eligible, so the Yankees could easily bring him back next year. They could decide to give the position to Montero next year, or they could decide to dangle Montero as a potent trade chip. The Yankees are making decisions behind the plate for the first time in a long time, and it’s hard to know which direction they’ll go.

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166 Responses to “Yankees at the break: Catcher”

  1. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    I think the Rasmus and Garza trade rumors were slipped to get the Yankees to make a ridiculous offer for either of them. Both of the rumors were specific to AL East rivals. That smells, to me, like they are baiting the Yankees.

    I could see St. Louis and Chicago both look to get a huge package from the Yankees for those guys. It would start with Montero without a doubt, but I’m sure Cashman could talk them off of there and offer Nova, Noesi, Romine, Nunez, etc.

    That said, I expect the Yankees to sit tight. They need to see if they need to acquire either a full time DH to replace Jorge or perhaps a full time 3b to replace Arod and then move Arod to DH for the rest of the season. They also need to decide if they want to upgrade Andruw Jones or not.

    They’ll play to the deadline and assess and then make a move.

    Those 2 players being linked in reports to the Red Sox and Rays though tell me that St. Louis and Chicago both like what the Yankees have.

  2. JM July 12th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    BloggingBombers Selig: “There isn’t a player in the last 15 years that I’ve been more proud of Derek Jeter … I think I would have made the same decision.”

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan July 12th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    What’s Yogi doing?

  4. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    It would be nice if Montero could catch enough so that Martin could play a part time role…..because I think he coukd be very effective playing 60% or so of the the time.

  5. Rich in NJ July 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I agree with blake, strongly.

  6. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Adding Beltran, Soriano, and Montero would be potentially a big upgrade

  7. West Coast Yankee Fan July 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I hate to do it, but one should give credit where credit is due:

    “Derek has been here so many times and has been so great for the game, for people to be upset with Derek Jeter, they should be embracing what he just did. This could be a good time for him to appreciate and celebrate with his family, because there’s not a lot of time for that.

    For his personal reasons, his injury, his 3,000th, I think he deserves to have a couple days to himself, maybe just sit back and reflect. I think Derek might make an All-Star team again next year. We’ll have time to celebrate a lot more hits by Derek Jeter.”

    – Kevin Youkilis

  8. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    I think the Rasmus and Garza trade rumors were slipped to get the Yankees to make a ridiculous offer for either of them. Both of the rumors were specific to AL East rivals. That smells, to me, like they are baiting the Yankees.

    I could see St. Louis and Chicago both look to get a huge package from the Yankees for those guys. It would start with Montero without a doubt, but I’m sure Cashman could talk them off of there and offer Nova, Noesi, Romine, Nunez, etc.

    That said, I expect the Yankees to sit tight. They need to see if they need to acquire either a full time DH to replace Jorge or perhaps a full time 3b to replace Arod and then move Arod to DH for the rest of the season. They also need to decide if they want to upgrade Andruw Jones or not.

    They’ll play to the deadline and assess and then make a move.

    Those 2 players being linked in reports to the Red Sox and Rays though tell me that St. Louis and Chicago both like what the Yankees have.

    ———————

    Well they also happen to make a lot of sense for Boston.

    The Sox have lost Dice. Lester and Bucholtz are both on the DL and Lackey has been ineffective – so Garza, who knows the division – would be a fit there.

    Likewise JD Drew has been awful, Crawford is on the DL so there’s a fit for Rasmus.

    Of course I don’t know what the heck Boston would offer for the players, but they do have a rich minor league system with guys like Dubront, Iglasies, Bowden, etc…

  9. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    It would be nice if Montero could catch enough so that Martin could play a part time role…..because I think he coukd be very effective playing 60% or so of the the time.

    ————-

    Yeah but the problem is that the Yankees don’t want Montero only playing 40% of the time and with Alex’s knee, Derek’s calf and Jorge’s glove they are running out of ABs at the DH spot.

  10. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    I think the Rasmus and Garza trade rumors were slipped to get the Yankees to make a ridiculous offer for either of them.

    =============================

    Yankees have no need for Rasmus and probably don’t give a rat’s rump if he goes to the Rays as he is not a difference maker. Garza? That could be a different story.

  11. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Chip,

    Im more talking about for next year….

    You guys see where the guy almost fell out of the stands last night but his brother who benchs 500 lbs grabbed his leg and saved him. Baseball really is going to have to address the height of the railings to make it so people physically cannot easily fall over like that.

  12. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Chip,

    Boston doesn’t have the horses to get those players if the Yankees get involved. The Yankees have major league ready cost effective players in Nova, Noesi, Gardner, Nunez and a future franchise C in Montero or Romine.

    What was leaked to the press was Garza only to Boston (no mention of any other team) and Rasmus to TB (no mention of any other team). When the destination is that specific it tells me they are trying to get the Yankees to jump in and give up goodies to block deals to their rivals.

    Boston would have to give the Cubs the equivalent of 2 1st round picks minimum. I don’t think they even have that available except at the very low minor level and how could the Cubs justify that deal for guys 4 years away?

    TB, on the other hand, has the horses to make a deal for Rasmus. If they want him badly, he’ll end up there as for the Yankees to compete with their prospect package they’ll end up overpaying most likely.

  13. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Murphy hit his first Tampa homer last night, to go with a double, single a 3 RBI

  14. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    Chip,

    Im more talking about for next year….

    You guys see where the guy almost fell out of the stands last night but his brother who benchs 500 lbs grabbed his leg and saved him. Baseball really is going to have to address the height of the railings to make it so people physically cannot easily fall over like that.

    ————

    Ah – well next year I have no doubt Montero will be in the majors. I just think it will likely be at DH.

  15. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    and yes, MLB needs to either raise the rails or not let fans get so close to them.

  16. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Rasmus is 24 years old…..I think its a little premature to say what kind of.player he’s going to.be……he’s 3 years from his prime still. He’s really talented.

  17. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Likewise JD Drew has been awful, Crawford is on the DL so there’s a fit for Rasmus.

    ======================================

    Don’t see Boston having interest in Rasmus, unless he becomes a proficent right handed hitter in the next 2 weeks.

  18. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    Chip,

    Boston doesn’t have the horses to get those players if the Yankees get involved. The Yankees have major league ready cost effective players in Nova, Noesi, Gardner, Nunez and a future franchise C in Montero or Romine.

    What was leaked to the press was Garza only to Boston (no mention of any other team) and Rasmus to TB (no mention of any other team). When the destination is that specific it tells me they are trying to get the Yankees to jump in and give up goodies to block deals to their rivals.

    Boston would have to give the Cubs the equivalent of 2 1st round picks minimum. I don’t think they even have that available except at the very low minor level and how could the Cubs justify that deal for guys 4 years away?

    TB, on the other hand, has the horses to make a deal for Rasmus. If they want him badly, he’ll end up there as for the Yankees to compete with their prospect package they’ll end up overpaying most likely.

    —————

    Or it is the result of those teams having recent conversations with each other.

    For example, if Gammons gets wind of the Sox heavily scouting Matt Garza’s starts then logic dictates that the Red Sox are taking a hard look at Garza. If he doesn’t hear that the Yankees have scouts in the area, then why speculate that the Yankees are interested?

  19. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    But I do think that Montero could help them in the 2nd half if he could catch 2-3 games a week and DH some……we read quotes from Nunez about how.much he’s.learned since.being called up even when he’s not playing……Im guessing seeing how ARod, Jeter, Cano.etc….prepare for games coukd help him.

  20. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    G. Love,

    All I’m saying is that not every rumor is Yankee baiting.

  21. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    I wouldn’t think the Yankees would avoid Rasmus. He’s 24, LH with power and can play any position in the OF.

    Swisher only has an option year remaining on his deal before he’s going to try to cash in. Not sure the Yankees want to pay his asking price in his early to mid 30′s.

    If they did get Rasmus, they could deal Swisher after the season for something good after picking up his option like they did with Sheffield.

    The Yankees have no OF prospects close to the majors right now. I could easily see them wanting to deal for a cost controlled young OF with power.

  22. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    G. Love,

    Why would the Cards need to bait anybody for a commodity like Rasmus? He’s still a prospect with a healthy market.

    Do they want the Yankees involved and maybe see a fit?

    Maybe.

    But I think Cashman has established this off season he won’t pull another Javier Vazquez type overpay in trades. Baiting him at this point is probably a waste of time and unnecessary when your merchandise (Rasmus) is attractive to multiple buyers.

    They need a starting pitcher. They are in the race. They’d probably want Hughes or Nova because those guys improve their team now and they’re young. They probably know they can’t get Montero so I wouldn’t worry about that.

  23. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Chip,

    I do think it’s rumor baiting. It’s the first time those 2 guys have been mentioned directly linked to another team before the deadline.

    I think any GM seeing Nova, Noesi and Nunez would want them in a package as you fill 3 of your 25 man roster spots with cost effective guys ready to play at the major league level. That has tremendous value in this day and age.

    I think the vultures will be circling and those 3, plus the minor league C’s are what they are going to try to get.

    Doesn’t mean they’ll get them. But Cashman does have to trade some prospects (mostly AAA starters) who really don’t have roles here with the starters at AA being so promising.

  24. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    But I do think that Montero could help them in the 2nd half if he could catch 2-3 games a week and DH some……we read quotes from Nunez about how.much he’s.learned since.being called up even when he’s not playing……Im guessing seeing how ARod, Jeter, Cano.etc….prepare for games coukd help him.

    ———————

    You’re right – but we’ve also seen how his performance varies from when he’s given the opportunity to play regularly and when he spot starts.

    I’ve always felt that one of the hardest things in baseball to do as a young player is to be a productive bench player. At every level you’re used to playing every day, having a routine and hitting in a flow. Now you’re asked to come up to face a greater level of competition and to sit for a few days and come in cold and be productive. That’s darn near impossible.

    It’s part of the reason why if I was running player development for the Yankees I would have a player I’m considering for a bench role on the big team play that role in the minors so that he can adapt and get a routine going for the inactivity.

  25. upstate kate July 12th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Have to admit the Garza comments got my attention. Here are the comments from FBB:

    “While the Chicago Tribune reported the Red Sox have Garza high on the list of pitchers they’re interested in, Comcast SportsNet New England reports a source familiar with the Cubs’ thinking said there’s nothing to the rumor.
    Spin: “Nothing (to it). Who needs major league pitching more than (the Cubs) do?,” said the source, who added the Cubs “are already short two starters.” Garza is under the Cubs; control through the 2013 season and there is no financial pressure to move him.”

  26. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I’m more disappointed in Sanchez’ defense with 24 passed balls and 5 errors than in his bat. The bat is something. Just ask the folks in the Met Life building in Greensville. He hit two on top of the roof of the 6 story building back in May.

  27. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
    Chip,

    I do think it’s rumor baiting. It’s the first time those 2 guys have been mentioned directly linked to another team before the deadline.

    ————–

    I think that’s just a coincidence. All Star break is generally when the trade winds pick up and so it makes sense that you would just start hearing about specific teams targeting specific players now.

  28. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    the Yanks did that with Pena having him play all over. I think Nunez is too talented to settle for that role.

  29. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Kate’s post has it absolutely correct.

    I can understand the Cubs wanting to move Zambrano or even Dempster, but Red Sox rumors aside, I don’t see any reason why they would want to deal Garza.

    He’s got another 2 years before he’s a FA; has had a rough year, but a lot of that is the shoddy team around him. Garza, Soto, Castro – these are guys they would like to build around, not trade off.

  30. Mell July 12th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Kate:

    I’m not really buying the Cubs are looking to move Garza either. I’d guess the enitire team may be up for bids ‘cept for Marshall, Garza, Marmol and S. Castro.

  31. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Chip,

    I do think these rumors/leaks are how the trade market takes shape especially if a GM is playing hardball in negotiations and the trade partner wants to light a fire under his opponent.

  32. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    The Cubs would want a haul for Garza…..if the Sox want to clean out what’s left of their farm system for him then let them because he’s not that good anyway.

  33. kd July 12th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    seems like the sox really need pitching now. and if beckett’s back continues to be an issue, they may have to make a desperation move. i would be really happy to see them trade for lackey version 2.0, garza

  34. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    TylerKepner Why not use best record for HFA in WS? Selig: “You can’t wait till end of the year.” But NBA does…

  35. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    The Cardinals lost Wainright and are short a starter while just barely holding a playoff spot right now. Make no mistake about it. It’s Hughes or Nova they are targeting if anyone. Not Noesi, not Nunez, not the killer B’s.

  36. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    and NOT Montero.

  37. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Had to laugh at this…

    jimbaumbach Potential juror recognized “the Canseco fellow” because he was on The Apprentice. Somewhere, Donald Trump smiles. #clemens

  38. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    blake,

    I agree. I wouldn’t pay the ransom for Garza. He actually would fit perfectly in Boston since he struck me as a bit of a punk in TB.

    Rasmus, on the other hand, I would look into. I don’t see Swisher here long term and outside of waiting for Kemp to go free agent or paying the ransom for Upton, I don’t see how the team gets a young OF w/power like him. The Yankees have chips to deal from. I’d look into him even with the Daddy issue.

  39. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    TylerKepner Selig likes idea of using DH in NL parks and pitcher hitting in AL parks during interleague play.

    :?

  40. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Not to mention if Rasmus’ Father came to this blog to talk smack about how the Yankees were handling his son it would be an added bonus!

  41. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I’m more disappointed in Sanchez’ defense with 24 passed balls and 5 errors than in his bat. The bat is something. Just ask the folks in the Met Life building in Greensville. He hit two on top of the roof of the 6 story building back in May.

    Someone who went to the Charleston games in the past week said that Sanchez was charged with a passed ball on a pitch that the pitcher short hopped 6 feet infront of the plate. He scored it a wild pitch on his own scorecard. I don’t doubt that Sanchez needs work, but watch out trusting minor league stats, especially pitcher related ones.

  42. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Selig likes idea of using DH in NL parks and pitcher hitting in AL parks during interleague play.

    ———————————————————————————-

    I think a CT scan may be in order. Actually I think we’re ready for a new commissioner

  43. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Ohhh man. We could have some fun with Papa Razz

  44. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    And another media jackass is heard from on players not going to the All-Star game. Funny that he only named Yankees. He still looks like he’s got his nose stuck up a skunk’s behind and has a head shaped like a lemon.

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    79 of 84 players named to #ASG teams in Phoenix. A-Rod, Chipper absent due to surgeries. #Yankees’ CC, Jeter, Rivera other no-shows. #MLB

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Damned…don’t you have to commit to or be required to be going before you’re declared a no-show?

  45. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Not to mention if Rasmus’ Father came to this blog to talk smack about how the Yankees were handling his son it would be an added bonus!

    Rasmus’ father is hilarious. He trolls the STL boards so hard.

  46. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    TylerKepner “A bunch of guys spittin’ in the dugout is not exactly a great thing to watch” –Selig on eliminating tobacco use

    Dante19jr Had my money on cano from the start! And my family came to watch me play today. Love them more than anything

  47. G. Love July 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Selig thinking the All Star Game has been this tremendous success under him is like Dolan thinking the Knicks were on the right track with Isiah running the show.

  48. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Garza is good, but I don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade.

    The Yanks should focus on strengthening weaknesses and that means the # 2 catcher, # 4 outfielder and bullpen. A healthy Rafael Soriano solves one and perhaps promoting Montero solves another. The 4th OF upgrade would ideally be someone who hits RH and could help at 3B.

    Survey says, Michael Cuddyer

  49. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Buster_ESPN

    @TylerKepner Wow. What’s next, three balls and four strikes in Saturday games?

  50. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    russellmartin55 Last night Pre-Derby shout out #ASG American League leadoff @cgrand14 @russellmartin55 http://twitvid.com/11O38

    PhilHughes65 Someone needs to make a really good Street Fighter movie. I’ve decided. #getonit

  51. spidanyc July 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Just out of curiosity, if the Yankees were willing to trade both Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon right now or before the trade deadline and based on both of their numbers this year, what can the Yankees realistically get back in return for each of them in individual trades?

  52. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    RiverAveBlues Derek Jeter is on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week. Great photo: http://yfrog.com/ke5qu8j

    No SI curse this year, please!!!

  53. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Cardinals are looking for pitching help for Rasmus:

    http://www.stltoday.com/articl.....f6878.html

    If they want the Yankees involved, they are looking at guys who can step in right now and help win a playoff spot.

    Hughes or Nova.

  54. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    You guys see where the guy almost fell out of the stands last night but his brother who benchs 500 lbs grabbed his leg and saved him. Baseball really is going to have to address the height of the railings to make it so people physically cannot easily fall over like that.

    ______________

    Rail height had absolutely nothing to do with that numbnuts fall/save last night. The idiot was standing on top of a table with no shoes on reaching for a ball well past the line of the railing.

    Why would his “Friends” not care enough about his life that they wouldn’t have called him down from such a stupid position?

    There comes a point where people actually have to think for themselves. The government has set height requirements for guardrails, the railings – unless some shady paying off went on – would have to be at that minimal height. You can’t protect against stupidity.

    Look at all the idiots who have gotten hurt and killed because of planking. What’s next? A law against planking that will be broken by idiots that will still do it?

  55. 86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    If you don’t want to use alternating home field advantage for the World Series I would suggest letting the league with the best record in interleague play have it.

    Adds a level of interest to a lot of “meaningless” games and at least everyone involved is trying to win.

  56. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    and in unrelated news, Sherwood Schwartz who created The Brady Bunch and Gilligan’s Island has died

  57. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    And another media jackass is heard from on players not going to the All-Star game. Funny that he only named Yankees. He still looks like he’s got his nose stuck up a skunk’s behind and has a head shaped like a lemon.

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    79 of 84 players named to #ASG teams in Phoenix. A-Rod, Chipper absent due to surgeries. #Yankees’ CC, Jeter, Rivera other no-shows. #MLB

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Damned…don’t you have to commit to or be required to be going before you’re declared a no-show?

    ————

    “no show” is not (IMO) a rip job by the media. It means just what it says – they’re not there. Which is true. It doesn’t speculate as to the appropriateness of their not showing up, just that they aren’t there.

  58. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Someone who went to the Charleston games in the past week said that Sanchez was charged with a passed ball on a pitch that the pitcher short hopped 6 feet infront of the plate. He scored it a wild pitch on his own scorecard. I don’t doubt that Sanchez needs work, but watch out trusting minor league stats, especially pitcher related ones.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The same pitcher….24 times?

    I’ve seen him on quite a few occassions this year and blocking pitches in the dirt is not a strong suit.

  59. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    I guess I was a big Sherwood Schwartz fan as a kid and didn’t even know it.

  60. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Cardinals are looking for pitching help for Rasmus:

    http://www.stltoday.com/articl…..f6878.html

    If they want the Yankees involved, they are looking at guys who can step in right now and help win a playoff spot.

    Hughes or Nova.

    ——————–

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Rasmus on the Yankees, I just don’t see it happening.

    For one thing, if the Yankees traded for him tomorrow where is he playing?

    Look, if you want to expand it to say – Gardner and Hughes for Rasmus – I could see it actually a lot easier than I can just Hughes for Rasmus.

  61. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    I guess I was a big Sherwood Schwartz fan as a kid and didn?t even know it.

    ************************

    :lol:

  62. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    86w183 July 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    If you don’t want to use alternating home field advantage for the World Series I would suggest letting the league with the best record in interleague play have it.

    Adds a level of interest to a lot of “meaningless” games and at least everyone involved is trying to win.

    ————

    Or how about just doing it the way it’s done in the NBA and NHL where the team with the best record has home field.

  63. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    “no show” is not (IMO) a rip job by the media. It means just what it says – they’re not there. Which is true. It doesn’t speculate as to the appropriateness of their not showing up, just that they aren’t there

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Wrong. None of them committed to going after the injuries. No committment doesn’t make them a no-show. Telling them they’ll be there and no appearing is a no-show. Same as any entertainer. Willie Neson wasn’t contracted nor did he agree to appear at my birthday party. Should I consider him a no-show?

  64. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    G. Love,

    I certainly would look into Rasmus. He’s 24, really talented, and cost controlled until 2015. I would trade any of the top guys for him but if I coukd get him for a package centered around Nova then Im doing that with no hesitation.

    Mgumpher,

    I don’t know if alcohol was involved but if you’re going to sell beer at stadiums then I think teams have a reaponsibily to some degree to protect people from themselves. The situation in Texas…..the rail was low….and there was concrete under it. A person also fell from the upper deck to the lower deck last year in Texas as well…..they didn’t die only fractured their skull. The rails should be so that you can’t fall over them without climbing or jumping IMO.

  65. blake July 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Wouldn’t trade any of the top guys *

  66. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    The same pitcher….24 times?

    I’ve seen him on quite a few occassions this year and blocking pitches in the dirt is not a strong suit

    I didn’t say toss everything out. I said be careful.

  67. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    and in unrelated news, Sherwood Schwartz who created The Brady Bunch and Gilligan’s Island has died

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    maryanne

  68. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Chip,

    Eh, look what Dave Duncan did with Wainright, Marquis, Carpenter…

    It’ highly possible that’s the kind of pitching expert who sees something in Hughes the Yankees don’t and never will.

    Hughes straight up for Rasmus will probably suffice.

    So the question for me is where do you spin Gardner?

    I like Gardner as part of a deal for either Soria or Gio Gonzalez.

    Now I said PART of a deal, NOT the whole thing.

  69. ron July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Thames just got traded.

  70. ron July 12th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Sorry,thames got df’d.

    Juan rivera got traded to the dodgers for cash or a player tbnl.

  71. ron July 12th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    dfa

  72. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Eh, look what Dave Duncan did with Wainright, Marquis, Carpenter…

    It’ highly possible that’s the kind of pitching expert who sees something in Hughes the Yankees don’t and never will.

    Hughes straight up for Rasmus will probably suffice.

    So the question for me is where do you spin Gardner?

    I like Gardner as part of a deal for either Soria or Gio Gonzalez.

    Now I said PART of a deal, NOT the whole thing.

    What is Dave Duncan going to do with a 4seam flyball pitcher? He destroyed Reyes by forcing him to pitch to contact. Nova or Phelps or Warren or Mitchell would be more up his alley in terms of skillset since Duncan preaches spamming 2seamers.

    As for your insistence on trading Gardner for Soria, and that it might require MORE than Gardner (hint: Gardner >>>>> Soria in terms of value), well we’ve been down that road. Major league gold glove on base – base stealing centerfielders don’t get traded in a package for a reliever.

  73. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Duncan is at his best turning struggling veterans into sinkerballers.

  74. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Eh,

    Then I’d trade Nova + for Rasmus and Gardner alone for Soria if you insist.

  75. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Blake,

    Good point. Hughes could do well with him. Never know.

  76. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    “no show” is not (IMO) a rip job by the media. It means just what it says – they’re not there. Which is true. It doesn’t speculate as to the appropriateness of their not showing up, just that they aren’t there

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Wrong. None of them committed to going after the injuries. No committment doesn’t make them a no-show. Telling them they’ll be there and no appearing is a no-show. Same as any entertainer. Willie Neson wasn’t contracted nor did he agree to appear at my birthday party. Should I consider him a no-show?

    ————————–

    If you were holding a draft and Willie Nelson had given his agreement to be a part of that draft, you drafted him and then he begged out – then yes, he would be a no-show.

    Jeter and Mariano, by virtue of being major league baseball players enter voluntarily to be selected to the All Star game. They were selected, and decided not to go – hence they are no-shows.

  77. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    I would trade Gardner for Gordon+Soria

  78. hardwired7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    “Why not use best record for HFA in WS? ”

    Selig: Stop making sense.

  79. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    maryanne

    ************************

    I honestly don’t think I’ve ever come across a man who didn’t pick Mary Ann over Ginger. LOL :)

  80. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    Chip,

    Eh, look what Dave Duncan did with Wainright, Marquis, Carpenter…

    It’ highly possible that’s the kind of pitching expert who sees something in Hughes the Yankees don’t and never will.

    Hughes straight up for Rasmus will probably suffice.

    So the question for me is where do you spin Gardner?

    I like Gardner as part of a deal for either Soria or Gio Gonzalez.

    Now I said PART of a deal, NOT the whole thing.

    ——————–

    I really don’t get the love for Soria – he has no fit here

    And Gio has an ERA around 5 against the AL East.

    Give me Johan for Noesi and Nunez.

  81. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    The Royals can do better than Soria for Joey Gathright….i mean Brett Gardner.

  82. ron July 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Yankees are not going to give up on hughes for an o.f. that probably won’t give us more than swisher & why replace gardner when he is a bargain,considering.

    Foolish move.

    If anything,i think cashman goes after an ace pitcher,if possible,using hughes,montero & maybe 1 of the killer b’s but will try to use hughes,montero & some of the lower tier pitchers first,before deciding on including one of banuelos/betances.

    If he can’t get a pitcher,i think he uses maybe montero/hughes to get a more dynamic o.f. or 3b & keeps banuelos + betances.

  83. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    I would trade Gardner for Kemp and Kershaw…

    :-)

  84. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    I would trade Gardner for Gordon+Soria

    ————

    So would most of us – the question is whether or not you could get Dayton Moore drunk enough to sign off on that and still have it upheld by the league office.

  85. Bret The Hitman July 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Chip,

    You’re going to base Gio’s potential on strictly AL East samples?

    You’re selling short.

    And the Mets won’t be trading ANYONE to the Yanks, not Beltran, not Santana…

    no one.

  86. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    maryanne

    ************************

    I honestly don’t think I’ve ever come across a man who didn’t pick Mary Ann over Ginger. LOL
    ____
    Does it have to be only one?

  87. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Chip,

    I wouldn’t rule out Santana if he came back healthy but I wouldn’t give two real prospects for him and eat all that money. He’d have to show he’s healthy first though.

  88. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Gardner is far superior to gathright, except maybe in ability to jump over a car. Gardner has a 3 WAR so far this season. Soria has never had 3 WAR ever. He is a reliever. Relievers are less valuable than starters and waaaaaaaaaay less valuable than full time position players.

  89. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    So would most of us – the question is whether or not you could get Dayton Moore drunk enough to sign off on that and still have it upheld by the league office.

    Ok now use this same come back on any trade proposal that includes Gardner in any package or str8 up for Joakim Soria, tia

  90. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    BoJo-behave yourself. ;)

  91. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    and in unrelated news, Sherwood Schwartz who created The Brady Bunch and Gilligan’s Island has died
    ____
    As Mel Brooks might say: “May the Schwartz be with him.”

  92. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    If Cashman called Sandy and told him he’d take KRod and Beltran’s salary then would he say no? They have to trade KRod and who else is going to take him? The Yankees aren’t on his no trade.

  93. bdog375 July 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Injuries concerns aside, I would lock Martin up long term. He is one of the brightest spots about this team in my opinion. Jason Veritek proved during his peak that a catcher impacts the team more on the field than in the batter’s box. Martin is a gamer and plays like a winner. His athleticism is off the charts and he loves playing the position.

    I know Montero, Romine, and Sanchez are waiting in the wings, but only one could start anyways. I see Martin as the everyday catcher for a long time, and Montero as the backup catcher and DH once he is ready.

    If anyone wants to see what is it like to wait on a highly touted catcher to never develop, ask the Red Sox and Rangers about Saltalamachia.

  94. mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    # mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    As someone once said you gotta respect jeter’s gangsta.
    Let the rest of the yankee hating country and liberal media who constantly diss the man eat cake.
    Stay home Jete and rest.
    In Jeter We Trust.

  95. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at
    ____
    I think the Professor had something going on with those two….The Howells lived in one hut…Gilligan and the Skipper another…but we never saw the Professor bachelor pad….

  96. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    So would most of us – the question is whether or not you could get Dayton Moore drunk enough to sign off on that and still have it upheld by the league office.

    Ok now use this same come back on any trade proposal that includes Gardner in any package or str8 up for Joakim Soria, tia

    ————–

    Gardner & Phil Hughes for either of the following:

    Delmon Young
    Colby Rasmus

  97. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I don’t like trading anything good for any reliever…..that’s why Id look into KRod for just money

  98. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Is there a paragraph in the player’s contract that requires him to go to All-Star games if selected, or to show up at an autograph session? NO!!! His contract is with the team…not MLB as a whole.I don’t care whether any of them show up. It’s more of a Dog And Pony show held hostage by Selig and TV than it is a ball game. Just like interleague play….it’s outlived its usefulness.

  99. ron July 12th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Santanna probably won’t pitch this year unless it is to get back in the game to see what he has.

    His name is not going to be in any trade talks this year.

  100. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Let everybody fight over Maryann… me and Ginger will be at the lagoon “looking for coconuts”

  101. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Chip—

    Gio has the stuff to be a great pitcher in YS IMO….he is also a tough competitor…I’d love to see that lefty here in a Yankee uniform.

  102. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    maryanne

    ************************

    I honestly don’t think I’ve ever come across a man who didn’t pick Mary Ann over Ginger. LOL

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Just something about those little brunett farm girls in checkered dresses.

  103. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I wish we could put more money into our public school system.. then we might not need to build higher railings in the upper decks.

  104. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    .it’s outlived its usefulness.

    Sort of like Selig too

  105. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Shame,

    True…..but when guys see balls flying in the air towards them their first thougt is to try to catch it.

  106. mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Making this Time It Counts into a mockery is what the players have inadverdantly done.
    This “accidental” protest shoots holes in the gimmicktry that is Bud.
    Let the reserves decide which league gets HFA.
    Yeah that’s the ticket.
    Sideshow Bob could do better.

  107. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Gardner & Phil Hughes for either of the following:

    Delmon Young
    Colby Rasmus

    Awful, absolutely awful. Delmon Young can’t field and has had 1 good season ever. Colby Rasmus isn’t as good as brett gardner, sucks to be that guy.

  108. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
    Chip,

    I wouldn’t rule out Santana if he came back healthy but I wouldn’t give two real prospects for him and eat all that money. He’d have to show he’s healthy first though.

    ———-

    Blake –

    If he’s healthy – I would give up two prospects and do the cash in a second.

    It’s a 3 year commitment (to get him to waive his NTC the Yankees would have to pick up the 2014 club option) at $20 mil per (his contract is actually closer to $25 mil per but $5 mil/year is deferred)

    That’s 2 years less than the shortest deal that CJ Wilson is likely to want as a FA next year at only slightly more money per year.

    I can replace Nunez and Noesi – but to get a legitimate second ace to go with CC – and when healthy Johan is that pitcher – on a short contract is something I can’t pass up on.

    Bret

    Mets have to get their payroll under $100 mil next season – with K-Rod joining Boras no team is going to take him off their hands, meaning most likely he’s going to be a Met at $17 mil next year; there aren’t many teams that can take on Johan’s contract – Mets may have no choice but to deal with the Yankees and if they’re getting back a SS who can replace Reyes and a pitcher they can slot right into their rotation they can at least try to sell that to their fans.

    As for Gio – not only has he been bad against the AL East (which is a big deal if you’re going to put him on the Yankees), but he’s also been helped out a lot by his home park.

  109. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Lol blake – I do understand and completely agree that these incidents are tragedies but… I dunno… something in the common sense area of my brain tells me diving for a ball while seated up there isn’t.. I dunno. What happened to the fishing nets?! If you can catch a ball in a fishing net you deserve it.

  110. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......run-derby/

    The above link has pictures of the idiot who fell last night. Tell me how that is any fault of the stadium. Other than to taiser him and throw him out of the park.

  111. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “That’s 2 years less than the shortest deal that CJ Wilson is likely to want as a FA next year at only slightly more money per year”

    But CJ Wilson has actually been a good pitcher and is healthy. I wouldnt give Wilson 5 years either ….just saying. If Santana showed he was back close to what he was then Id consider it…..but there are a ton of ifs that have to come to pass there.

    JF,

    Rasmus has a lot more upside than Gardner and is 3 years younger…..

  112. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Less people die at ballparks than at disney world, I’m fine with that as is.

  113. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Mgumpher – I’m also wondering what the blood alcohol level is on these guys.. Remember that poor guy that fell off an escalator at Citi field?

  114. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I’ve worked in construction on building with just a couple of wire ropes around the edges where the drop is measured in stories, people throw things to each other all the time during the workday. None of them fell. And I can guarantee you that many had at least as many beers as many of the fans at games have had.

  115. UnKnown July 12th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    BryanHoch Bryan Hoch
    Just got an e-mail saying Cano shouldn’t have used his dad b/c he knows him too well & the pitches were too good. ~ Isn’t that the point?

    Seriously? Some people are complete idiots.

  116. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Rasmus has a lot more upside than Gardner and is 3 years younger…..

    yea he has upside, not enough that I’d trade Gardner to find out what that is. if STL wants pitching, I’d dump some pitchers for him. But I am not trading a guy that I know provides insane defense and will get on base for guy like rasmus (no plus qualities in the outfield, platoon split and low on base even on his strong side)

  117. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    “That’s 2 years less than the shortest deal that CJ Wilson is likely to want as a FA next year at only slightly more money per year”

    But CJ Wilson has actually been a good pitcher and is healthy. I wouldnt give Wilson 5 years either ….just saying. If Santana showed he was back close to what he was then Id consider it…..but there are a ton of ifs that have to come to pass there.

    ————-

    I agree.

    Like I said on the last thread – this is presuming Johan comes back and shows he’s healthy at some point this season.

  118. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Rasmus has a lot more upside than Gardner and is 3 years younger…..

    yea he has upside, not enough that I’d trade Gardner to find out what that is. if STL wants pitching, I’d dump some pitchers for him. But I am not trading a guy that I know provides insane defense and will get on base for guy like rasmus (no plus qualities in the outfield, platoon split and low on base even on his strong side)
    ___
    +1

  119. UnKnown July 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Jeter wins the AL Player of the week award. Not bad for his first week back.

  120. Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    The above link has pictures of the idiot who fell last night. Tell me how that is any fault of the stadium.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Did you read it? He said that he and his friends had already caught 3 balls and he wanted “to go for the cycle”

  121. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    In response to the idiot on the table….two of the better remarks made by others:

    I blame the ticket people…for not sensing “moron” when he was at the gate.

    I call it a missed opportunity for some herd thinning.

  122. Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I can understand the fantasizing about Justin Upton, because he has exhibited alot of tools that people would say are drool worthy. Rasmus is a different story. It seems more like a ‘well hes not on the yankees so I want him’ type deal. He isn’t better than any of the outfielders we currently have. Its not a clear upgrade.

    Also in a montero aside, Rasmus hit .251 .346 .396 .742 in AAA before being called up. Call up Montero, he will outhit Rasmus without a platoon split.

  123. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Were people sitting on the edge trying to catch whatever was being thrown at them? That’s an irrelevant example. I agree that commonsense has to come into play to.some degree……but you shouldn’t be able to fall over a rail by standing up and leaning over it IMO and there shouldn’t be pure concrete under it.

  124. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Less people die at ballparks than at disney world, I’m fine with that as is.
    ____
    But I have always felt strongly that they should outlaw or at least eliminate the “Shoot the Tourist” rifle shooting rides at Disney….but nooooo, no one cares.

  125. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    “yea he has upside, not enough that I’d trade Gardner to find out what that is.”

    Me neither…..just sayin

  126. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Shame, I am sure alcohol has played a role in these events as well. The thing is, you have to be pretty drunk to have lost any idea of where you are when you go reaching for a ball over a railing.

    Escalators are treated as toys by far too many people. I’m in the elevator industry and most of the companies have reduced the number of escalators they even put in or take under contract because people have become so stupid with them. One place in NYC they had to put a cover over the entire escalator because people would ride the handrails. (The handrails, by code and design are meant to be able to peal off under certain sideways torque.)

    We pull shoes and all sorts of things out of escalator pits.

  127. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    That idiot is the type to go to Seaworld to hand feed the sharks to see if he can outsmart them.

  128. hardwired7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    It was like he was feeding him those meatballs to hit for homeruns or something…jeez!

  129. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Its almost impossible to fall off the rides at Disney or any theme park for that matter.

  130. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    As for Gio – not only has he been bad against the AL East (which is a big deal if you’re going to put him on the Yankees), but he’s also been helped out a lot by his home park.
    ____
    Which is what I would expect a smart young pitcher to do–use his park to his advantage. I’m sure YS would be fine for him too. Plus—remember he is still young and improving.

  131. upstate kate July 12th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    apparently you are just not trying hard enough Blake :)

  132. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Gardner just to aquire Rasmus….that’s not what I meant.

  133. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Is the world just getting DUMBER these days or is it just me?

  134. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    hardwired7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    It was like he was feeding him those meatballs to hit for homeruns or something…jeez!
    ____
    Just think how much it hurt his ERA and tell me he was throwing those in like that on purpose!

  135. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    Is the world just getting DUMBER these days or is it just me?
    ____
    Does this have to be an either/or question?

    J/K

  136. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Were people sitting on the edge trying to catch whatever was being thrown at them? That?s an irrelevant example. I agree that commonsense has to come into play to.some degree??but you shouldn?t be able to fall over a rail by standing up and leaning over it IMO and there shouldn?t be pure concrete under it.

    __________

    Why is that an irrelevant example? It is no different than trying to catch a ball being thrown toward a fan, and a heck of a longer fall if they went over. The point is you should know where you are.

    There are plenty of times when you go to catch something coming your way. It is your responsibility to know if you can catch it or if it will compromise your safety.

    That fan who fell over the rail fell because not only did he lean over the railing, he was running and moving prior to going over it.

    You can safely stand on the edge of something 50 ft high. I’ve done it plenty of times without any railing. It’s all about knowing where you are, or being oblivious to that and suffering the consequences.

  137. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Were people sitting on the edge trying to catch whatever was being thrown at them? That’s an irrelevant example. I agree that commonsense has to come into play to.some degree……but you shouldn’t be able to fall over a rail by standing up and leaning over it IMO and there shouldn’t be pure concrete under it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How about just regular impure concrete? Sorry, but leaning over any railing is just plain stupid. If his kid had done that, he would have smacked him upside of the head to get his attention.

  138. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    The above link has pictures of the idiot who fell last night. Tell me how that is any fault of the stadium.

    ???????????????????????????????????????-

    Did you read it? He said that he and his friends had already caught 3 balls and he wanted ?to go for the cycle?

    ___________________

    I did read it. It still doesn’t excuse the moron for standing on the table. I’m really not sure what “cycle” he is talking about, as all the ball his friends and he caught were HR balls. Just goes to show what a moron he truly is.

  139. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    blake – I dunno… how high is the rail going to be? Do I have to sit up higher to see over it or duck down lower to see the field? Because anything higher than where it is now (which is around waist height, maybe a touch lower) would definitely be obstructing the view for people in the first couple rows of every section.

    I mean, did you see the pictures of that guy? He was standing ON TOP of the ledge in front of him. People have been going to ball games forever, and this really shouldnt be a problem for anyone with even the remotest bit of intelligence.

  140. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Jeter was spotted on Monday in Miami with his girlfriend Minka Kelly, who is there to shoot the upcoming Charlie’s Angels series.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/article.....-kelly.htm

  141. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    GB,

    Im more talking about what happened in Texas than last night…..that guy was just there with his kid. He shouldn’t have leaned over so far…..and he should have been more aware of his surroundings….but that shouldn’t happen IMO. He didn’t climb the rail or jump…..he just reached for a ball to give to his kid and lost his balance.

  142. BoJo July 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    Jeter was spotted on Monday in Miami with his girlfriend Minka Kelly, who is there to shoot the upcoming Charlie’s Angels series.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/article…..-kelly.htm
    _____
    Again, Jeter should Tweet or blast fax/e-mail the photo to all those criticizing him for not being in AZ. Should send it every 2 hours with caption: “Just got me some…AGAIN.”

  143. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Jerkface July 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    I can understand the fantasizing about Justin Upton, because he has exhibited alot of tools that people would say are drool worthy. Rasmus is a different story. It seems more like a ‘well hes not on the yankees so I want him’ type deal. He isn’t better than any of the outfielders we currently have. Its not a clear upgrade.

    Also in a montero aside, Rasmus hit .251 .346 .396 .742 in AAA before being called up. Call up Montero, he will outhit Rasmus without a platoon split.

    ————–

    Whenever I hear someone commenting about a young player’s platoon splits I remember that (according to Lou) Paulie would never be able to hit LHP.

  144. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Shame,

    About belly button level…..that way you can’t topple over it easily. Again Im talking more about the guy in Texas….but either way…..I think it should be fairly difficult to fall over….

  145. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    blake – Did you see the Rangers fan fall? What upset me most about that video was that if the guy didn’t lean in to try and grab it, the person next to him or maybe his son (I can’t recall at the moment) would have had that ball fall into their gloves perfectly.

  146. Shame Spencer July 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Also – Not to belabor the point but I think the railings in Texas were at belt level.

  147. joeman July 12th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    prob been stated many times here but the Royals farm is loaded

  148. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Blake, I’ve jumped from planes and choppers at high level, low level and inbetween, but, always aware of what I was doing and some sort of safety precautions. Leaning over a railing of any sort is just stupid. A pity that it happened, but, when you do things stupidly, sometimes, you get caught. The other option is that owners remove the first row of seats and make it an Exclusion Zone and bar, chain or fence it off, put netting around the entire ballpark or have fans sitting in those seats take intelligence tests to buy tickets. None of that’s going to happen. If the rail, wall or fence is waist high or below, don’t lean over.

  149. Mgumpher July 12th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Blake, it was definitely tragic what happened to that firefighter who fell in Texas, but he was running toward the railing, then leaned over it. His own momentum carried him right over it. Being a firefighter, he should have known better.

  150. austinmac July 12th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Erin

    Why am I not surprised you were a fan of the Brady Buch and Gilligan’s Island? Too bad no muppets or second basemen on either show.

    Put me down on the Mary Anne side as well. We men know we could turn the school teacher type into something different. We men also misjudge such matters ona regular basis.

  151. mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Is the world just getting DUMBER these days or is it just me?
    ======================================
    Just saw Horrible Bosses.
    I would call it Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest.
    Funny movie.

  152. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    If it were me, I’d bump off Mr. Howell, marry Mrs. Howell’s bank account and sneak around with Mary Anne.

  153. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    GB7,

    I understand that…..but you were trained and used to that environment. What Im saying is that I think you have to account for people occasionally having lapses in judgement over the course of the season……..tons of.peopke go to the ballpark…..not all of them are going act 100% appropriate all the time. Im not saying its MLBs fault ……I just hope they learn from it and perhaps make it more difficult for a kid to go home without his dad again.

  154. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    austinmac July 12th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    Erin

    Why am I not surprised you were a fan of the Brady Buch and Gilligan?s Island? Too bad no muppets or second basemen on either show.

    ***********************

    well, both were way before my time but I used to watch them in reruns when I was a kid. I was never a huge fan of Gilligan’s Island (I could never figure out why the Profesor couldn’t get them off the island if he was so smart) But I did love The Brady Bunch. LOL

  155. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
    Is the world just getting DUMBER these days or is it just me?
    ======================================
    Just saw Horrible Bosses.
    I would call it Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest.
    Funny movie.

    ******************

    LOVED that movie :)

  156. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
    If it were me, I?d bump off Mr. Howell, marry Mrs. Howell?s bank account and sneak around with Mary Anne.

    *************************

    :lol:

  157. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    “Being a firefighter, he should have known better.”

    Yea….he should have……but next time you go to an amusement park or anywhere else and find the railings or safety precautions to be excessive……well that’s why…..because people screw up.

  158. mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    LOVED that movie
    ===============
    Horrible Bosses?

  159. blake July 12th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I wanna see that movie too. Racheal Greene as a hot Dentist :)

  160. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    mick July 12th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    LOVED that movie
    ===============
    Horrible Bosses?

    ***************

    yep.

  161. West Coast Yankee Fan July 12th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    The sell beer at games and there is no safety railing to speak of. They seek to protect themselves with the fine print on the back of your ticket. Corporations unfortunately accept a certain number of deaths as part of the cost doing business profit. That is why you need government regulations. This would be an easy fix; to have a no entrance moat between the first row of seats and any railing.

  162. mick July 12th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    those 3 guys were like the dumb and dumber guys, the 3rd guy was the dumbest, the one dds aniston was after

  163. Erin July 12th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    New Post- Yankees at the break: The rotation

    :arrow:

  164. Chip July 12th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I wonder if Marcus being DFA’d could spell the end for Andruw? On the one hand, Thames last year was a far better hitter than Jones has been this year. On the other hand Jones can play the field which Thames cannot.

  165. 108 stitches July 12th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Unless a ball hit in the stands carries a lot of historical significance and financial rewards, it seems ridiculous to get trampled on or worse for a ball that’s worth less than $11.00 to major league teams.
    The thought process can get quickly eliminated for some people when a ball is hit near them.

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