The LoHud Yankees Blog

A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News


Yankees at the break: Designated hitter

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees made the decision this winter. Jorge Posada had been their catcher for more than a decade, but injuries were adding up – and so were the years – and so Posada’s days behind the plate were finished. In the final year of his contract, Posada made the transition to full-time designated hitter.

First half
Not sure there’s much sense rehashing the whole thing because I’m guessing you know the story. By mid-May, it wasn’t only Posada’s days as a catcher that seemed over. His days as an everyday player also seemed to be quickly coming to an end. He was bumped to ninth in the order, frustration boiled over, he asked out of the lineup and he’s been a better hitter ever since. Posada hasn’t bounced back to his all-star form, but he’s become a productive hitter in the bottom half of the Yankees lineup.

Second half
Wouldn’t have said this two months ago, but at this point it seems Posada will remain the Yankees everyday DH through the rest of the season. Obviously Alex Rodriguez will get some DH starts once he’s off the disabled list, but Posada has become productive enough to keep getting regular at-bats. It wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Yankees if Posada could regain some of that early season power.

The minors
Sometimes you set up a format for posts like this, and then realize that one category doesn’t really apply to a certain position. Jesus Montero is the prospect that’s most often mentioned as the Yankees DH of the future, but the Yankees don’t develop any real prospect strictly as a DH. The Yankees have minor league hitters. They all play a position. They all could be a designated hitter at some point. Some of them are good. Some of them are bad. Let’s move on.

One question
How often should Rodriguez DH when he gets back?
Joe Girardi has tried to give Rodriguez and Derek Jeter occasional DH starts all season, but now that both have been injured this season – and now that Eduardo Nunez has proven he can be a productive big league hitter – he might be tempted to give the left side of his infield a few more half days off. Of course, that would be even easier if Eric Chavez were healthy again.

The future
Should be interesting. The Yankees won’t necessarily want to kick Posada out of the organization, but it’s clear that they no longer see him as a catcher, and that DH spot might be better used to give veteran players a breather or to give Jesus Montero regular at-bats. They might be able to construct a roster that has room for Posada, but they might also decide it’s time to say thank you and move on.

Associated Press photo

Comments

comments

 

Advertisement

144 Responses to “Yankees at the break: Designated hitter”

  1. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    At minimum the Yankees need a RH bat better than Andruw that can DH vs LHP.

    I believe that player can be Montero, but who knows what the Yankees plan to do with him in the second half.

    Ideally, the would pick up a bat that can play the field or step into the DH role if Posada gets injured or falters.

    Beltran makes so much sense, it hurts.

  2. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    AJack isn’t nearly at Granderson’s level as an all around player. Betances may end up being better than Jimenez. So AJack to Betances doesn’t work, & AJack relative to Granderson does not equate with Betances to Jimenez.

    At the time of the Ajax trade he was on the cusp of the majors and Granderson was trending down. He might have ended up being better than Granderson. Thank God he didn’t! So it does work, sorry. Granderson would be Jackson’s ceiling. Betances is still in the minor leagues and he wishes he can start his career off like Ubaldo.

    Its an apt analogy. Your own bias cannot see that.

  3. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Agree except what will Beltran take, and the rental factor is disconcerting. Free Jesus!

  4. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Beltran makes no sense; there is no need. There is a need for a number two starter and a loogy, if available at a reasonable cost.

    Beltran is not happening.

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    At the time of the Ajax trade he was on the cusp of the majors and Granderson was trending down. He might have ended up being better than Granderson. Thank God he didn’t! So it does work, sorry. Granderson would be Jackson’s ceiling. Betances is still in the minor leagues and he wishes he can start his career off like Ubaldo.
    ///

    AJack never had the power potential of Granderson. He’s fast, black, & a CF. That’s about it. Doesn’t even hit the same way.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I would be perfectly happy for an upgrade like Beltran. If he weren’t a Met, it wouldn’t be so complicated.

  7. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    AJack never had the power potential of Granderson. He’s fast, black, & a CF. That’s about it. Doesn’t even hit the same way.

    He is a centerfielder he hit 13 HRs as a 20 year old, and power is the last to come. As a good defensive centerfielder who will hit and walk a little with potential developing power Granderson looks like a great comp at the end of the line. Just like as a power pitcher with a good offspeed arsenal with some command issues, Ubaldo looks like a good come to Betances.

  8. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    norris427 Josh Norris
    I asked Romine the most impressive guy he caught during the futures game was. Without a second’s thought he said Cosart. #Phillies #Yankees
    26 minutes ago

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Not happening isn’t because he wouldn’t be a vast upgrade, but because of the unfortunate trading partner.

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Not happening means just that – it’s not happening.

  11. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Beltran makes so much sense, it hurts.
    ___
    Take 2 Beltrans and call me in the morning…

    I hope Cashman changes his mind and agrees with you

  12. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Here is an update on SIGNINGS OF Top International Targets. 2 more off the board today and not by the Yankees.
    Prospects that the Yankees have been rumored to be interested are posted as “YANKEES?”

    1. Elier Hernandez, OF, Dominican Republic ==>ROYALS
    2. Ronald Guzman, OF, Dominican Republic ==>RANGERS
    3. Victor Sanchez, RHP, Venezuela
    4. Roberto Osuna, RHP, Mexico ==>YANKEES??
    5. Wilmer Becerra, SS/OF, Venezuela ==>BLUE JAYS
    6. Dawel Lugo, SS, Dominican Republic ==>BLUE JAYS
    7. Jose Ruiz, C, Venezuela ==>PADRES
    8. Marck Malave, C, Venezuela ==>CUBS
    9. Luis Enrique Acosta, SS, Dominican Republic ==>CUBS
    10. Nomar Mazara, OF, Dominican Republic ==>RANGERS
    11. Helsin Martinez, OF, Dominican Republic
    12. Adalberto Mondesi, SS, Dominican Republic ==>YANKEES??
    13. Luis Reynoso, SS, Dominican Republic ==>ASTROS (Yankees were interested)
    14. Dorssys Paulino, SS, Dominican Republic ==>Indians
    15. Harold Ramirez, OF, Colombia ==>PIRATES
    16. Manuel Marcos, OF, Dominican Republic ==>RED SOX (Yankees were interested)
    17. Raimel Flores, SS, Dominican Republic
    18. Franmil Reyes, OF, Dominican Republic
    19. Yohander Mendez, LHP, Venezuea
    20. Miguel Andujar, 3B, Dominican Republic ==>YANKEES
    21. Jesus Gonzalez, OF, Venezuela ==>BLUE JAYS
    22. Miguel Gonzalez, RHP, Dominican Republic ==>TWINS
    23. Elvis Escobar, OF, Venezuela ==>PIRATES
    24. Jose Garcia, C, Venezuela
    25. Carlos Tocci, OF, Venezuela
    26. Adelin Santa, 3B, Dominican Republic ==>TIGERS
    27. Antonio Senzatela, RHP, Venezuela ==>ROCKIES
    28. Mauricio Silva, RHP, Venezuela
    29. Anthony Santander, OF, Venezuela ==>Indians
    30. Ricardo Marcano, 3B, Venezuela ==>CUBS
    31. Manuel Gonzalez, RHP, Dominican Republic
    32. Gialy Arias, RHP, Dominican Republic
    33. Manuel Cordoba, RHP, Venezuela ==>BLUE JAYS
    34. Sanber Pimentel, OF/1B, Dominican Republic
    35. Jose Godoy, C, Venezuela
    36. Eric Otanez, C, Dominican Republic
    37. Yairo Munoz, SS, Dominican Republic ==>YANKEES??
    38. Soid Marquez, RHP, Venezuela
    39. Jonathan Perez, RHP, Venezuela
    40. Arturo Michelena, SS, Venezuela ==>ASTROS

    Again here are the players I have heard that they are interested in:
    4. Roberto Osuna, RHP, Mexico
    12. Adalberto Mondesi, SS, Dominican Republic (Raul’s son)
    20. Miguel Andujar, 3B, Dominican Republic==>SIGNED
    37. Yairo Munoz, SS, Dominican Republic

    _______
    I’ll update this daily until most of the top 40 are accounted for.

    WHERE ARE THE YANKEES SIGNINGS?!?!?!

  13. RadioKev July 13th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t think Beltran is a reasonable option for the Yanks. He’s too good to be a 4th outfielder and he isn’t going to be around next year like gardener granderson and maybe swisher. I also think the asking price would be too high for a fourth outfielder.

    I’m fine with some utility guy/dumpster diving to
    handle the 4th outfield spot. You can dream about Beltran on the Yankees, but at the end of the day he’d just be a luxury.

  14. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Yankees should have signed Beltran years ago, when they had a chance.

  15. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Hindsight.

  16. Triple Short of a Cycle July 13th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Beltran would not be a 4th OF if they got him

  17. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “Beltran makes so much sense, it hurts.”

    He does….he is a good player and he really hits RHP. It all depends on whether the Mets would deal fairly with the Yankees but that would be a very nice add.

    GB,

    From earlier if they got him I think he’d play LF some, RF some and DH some but play virtually every day.

    I think Betances for Ubaldo is a trade you have to make if that were possible….but I’m almost positive it would take more than that.

  18. Triple Short of a Cycle July 13th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    tomingeorgia,

    It was him or Johnson. Sometimes the Yankees do have a payroll

  19. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Kev–

    Girardi could play Beltran in RF and platoon Swish with Po at DH, and also move Beltran to LF to give BG or CG a day off…and play Beltran at DH and Swish in RF or 1B or Po at 1B to give Tex a day off. Adds to offense while ARod is gone and gives us another power bat off the bench (Beltran, Swish, Po, or whoever is resting).

    During play-offs, Beltran has a better history than Swish–who seems to choke…

    Second season is really the main driver for my interest.

  20. Bronx Jeers July 13th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Beltran wouldn’t be a 4th outfielder. Swish or Gardy would be.

  21. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    Hindsight.
    ___
    Does that have anything to do with a colonoscopy?

  22. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Triple,,
    How’d that work out? Hindsight, again.

  23. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    It was him or Johnson. Sometimes the Yankees do have a payroll

    The fact they chose the 40 year old pitcher instead of the in his prime switch hitting centerfielder that would have taken a 20 mil discount to the come to the yankees and not cost any prospects is bewildering. But that was the downside to Geroge’s reign.

  24. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Beltran would be the Yankees 2nd best overall outfielder if they got him…..he’s better than Garnder and Swisher both.

  25. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Bojo,
    I wonder what they talk about in the operating room while you’re under.

  26. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    If you slotted Beltran after Cano then he would have some real protection for a change.

  27. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    The whole Betances for Ubaldo discussion seems silly IMO. Rockies are not giving up a proven ace for a prospect. The article clearly states they don’t want #2 or # pitchers back…they want a #1 pitcher in majors under control, a high level arm, and a power COFer…

    Hughes or Nova don’t yet qualify as #1s, we could have a #2 for them, but we don’t have a major league power corner OFer.

    There is no match here IMO and per the article interview.

  28. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Beltran would be the Yankees 2nd best overall outfielder if they got him…..he’s better than Garnder and Swisher both.

    He is having a really great year and I said before I’d see if acquiring him could be parleyed into 2 year deal in which case I’d try to deal Swisher in the offseason or simply go into next year with some roster crunch that could be relieved via trade or using the DH role.

  29. Triple Short of a Cycle July 13th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Jerkface,

    Of course looking back it was a poor choice although Johnson had a decent first 2 years here. That being said Johnson was coming off a dominant year and the Yankees were short on pitching. If you want to blame the Yankees for something blame them for letting Andy go

  30. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    Bojo,
    I wonder what they talk about in the operating room while you’re under.
    ___
    My doctor told me I was a riot when they had me sedated…

  31. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
    If you slotted Beltran after Cano then he would have some real protection for a change.
    ___
    +1

  32. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    JF,

    Yes….if you could sign Beltran short term like that then it would be something to consider…..Id still pick up Swisher’s option and either shop him or play him in the outfield some or DH him when Montero catches. Then after next year you go hard after Kemp or Upton for 2013.

  33. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Brian Hoch’s mid-term evaluations

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....92802-1038

  34. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    If the Giants go after Beltran and pay more than they should or outbid the Yankees then fine…..but Cashman shouldn’t let him go to Boston for some BS package……I don’t like the idea of making moves to keep guys away from the Red Sox but he would really make their lineup deep and the Yanks could use him.

  35. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Beltran’s agent IIRC is Boras. He is not signing a deal when he is this close to FA. In off-season, you could probably re-sign him to 2 or 3 years for the deal Damon was looking for. I’d do that…Move him to DH in 2013 and get Kemp.

    I like having a 4 man rotation in OF….

  36. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The fact that NYYs needed a top starter than another bat might have something to do with Johnson over Beltran.

  37. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    If the Giants go after Beltran and pay more than they should or outbid the Yankees then fine…..but Cashman shouldn’t let him go to Boston for some BS package……I don’t like the idea of making moves to keep guys away from the Red Sox but he would really make their lineup deep and the Yanks could use him.
    ___
    I don’t care about the red sox…I’m more interested in the play-off proven bat Beltran provides.

  38. 108 stitches July 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The concern with Beltran is if his knees hold up which has been a problem for a few years. Jorge will not be back in 2012 and Beltran would get time as a DH and some OF time. How much will the Mets want if they even consider dealing with the cross town Yankees at all. Scott Boras is his agent.
    The SF Giants would be more of a suitor for him than Boston who little to offer in trading chips and no love lost between Boston’s hierarchy and Scott Boras.

  39. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Bojo,

    Yes the point is putting that guy on the Yankees and keeping him off the Red Sox……a double whammy.

  40. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    REWIND

    tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    Bojo,
    I wonder what they talk about in the operating room while you’re under.
    ____
    I think they were very impressed with my health. I seem to recall them saying “what an a55hole” while I was sedated.

    ++++
    Yeah, that’s the joke I should have gone with first.

  41. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
    Bojo,

    Yes the point is putting that guy on the Yankees and keeping him off the Red Sox……a double whammy.
    ___
    If he helps the Yankees, that works for me too.

  42. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Who would the Giants offer to rent Beltran?

  43. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Bojo,
    Again, that’s what I was thinking.

    Blake,
    Exactly right.

  44. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    Who would the Giants offer to rent Beltran?
    ____
    They’ll take the $6M off the Mets, and have prospects. Probably one will do it if they take the salary.

  45. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    The fact that NYYs needed a top starter than another bat might have something to do with Johnson over Beltran.

    Randy Johnson was 41 and cost prospects and money. They could have been more patient with Javy. I know WHY they picked Johnson, but it was a stupid move. He didn’t even want to be there.

  46. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
    _____
    I can’t keep up with you today!

    :-)

  47. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Can’t believe people are still pining away for a deal that happened back in 2005. Might as well still be complaining about the Yanks not signing Willie Mays, Henry Aaron and Ernie Banks back in the early 50s when they had the first shot at them.

  48. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Cash didn’t seem to want to do the deal…he wanted to keep Javy…

  49. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Can’t believe people are still pining away for a deal that happened back in 2005. Might as well still be complaining about the Yanks not signing Willie Mays, Henry Aaron and Ernie Banks back in the early 50s when they had the first shot at them.
    ___________
    Argh! You HAD to bring that up!?!?

    :-)

  50. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Can’t believe people are still pining away for a deal that happened back in 2005. Might as well still be complaining about the Yanks not signing Willie Mays, Henry Aaron and Ernie Banks back in the early 50s when they had the first shot at them.

    Feel free to never talk about the past as well.

  51. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
    Can’t believe people are still pining away for a deal that happened back in 2005. Might as well still be complaining about the Yanks not signing Willie Mays, Henry Aaron and Ernie Banks back in the early 50s when they had the first shot at them.
    ___________
    Argh! You HAD to bring that up!?!?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Imagine a DP combo of Banks and Aaron with Mantle, Mays and Bauer and later Maris flagging down flies?

  52. Triple Short of a Cycle July 13th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Yes because talking about a deal that happened 6 years ago and would have impacted the current team is the same as talking about an event 60 years ago.

    Next time someone brings up the Iraq war I’ll be sure to tell them its the same as talking about the Spanish American war

  53. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Bojo,
    Never underestimate the power of the testy, particularly the hungry, under-hydrated ones.!

  54. blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    The Yanks could take all of Beltran’s salary.

  55. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    The yanks didn’t get beltran because they needed pitching more. get over yourself, Daisy May.

  56. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Imagine a DP combo of Banks and Aaron with Mantle, Mays and Bauer and later Maris flagging down flies?
    ____
    I never saw Hank Bauer play, but heard he was a great team mate.

    Did the Yankees also have a shot at Roberto Clemente? I seem to recall that they might have.

  57. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    They didn’t get Beltran because Steinbrenner wanted Randy Johnson. Cashman wanted Beltran (and Vladdy the year before)

  58. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    Bojo,
    Never underestimate the power of the testy, particularly the hungry, under-hydrated ones.!
    ___
    Wise words indeed.

  59. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Also they signed Pavano and Jaret Wright that offseason. Mussina-Pavano-Wright-Vazquez-Kevin Brown and eventually Wang as well.

    Its not like they NEEDED a 40 year old pitcher.

  60. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    The Yanks could take all of Beltran’s salary.

    Easily…I really am not sure why Cash won’t pursue it. It’s not like Swish has shown he can hit in the second season.

  61. Tom in N.J. July 13th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    “Next time someone brings up the Iraq war I’ll be sure to tell them its the same as talking about the Spanish American war”

    http://dir.salon.com/opinion/f...../21/maine/

  62. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Tom in N.J. July 13th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
    ___
    Iraq=Silver Medalists in the Iraqi War.

  63. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    (and Vladdy the year before)

    ——————–

    Sheffield over Vladdy killed me. I was pining hard for Vladdy back in 2004.

  64. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Sheffield was one of my favorite Yankees, but it would have been awesome to have Vladdy in his prime in RF :( Plus he supposedly has INTANGIBLES with latino/dominican players

  65. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Maybe Cash is planning to swoop in on Beltran…..usually the deals you hear about with the Yanks don’t happen. The ones that do happen are rarely talked about

  66. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I remember how much Beltran worshiped Bernie and wanted to take over CF for him. He wanted to play so much for the Yankees while Randy Johnson never seemed to IMO. That might be overstating RJ’s attitude, but I like the players who really want to play here.

  67. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I just hope no surprise montero is traded swooped in deals :P

  68. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
    Maybe Cash is planning to swoop in on Beltran…..usually the deals you hear about with the Yanks don’t happen. The ones that do happen are rarely talked about
    _____
    We can hope Cash’s daily reading of this blog helps him see the light!

  69. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    JF,

    Unless the swooping results in something really good in return.

  70. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Who would trade Montero straight up for Ubaldo?

  71. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    EL All Star game on NH radio: http://www.wgiram.com/main.html

  72. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    BTW, Cash’s handle when he posts here is YankeesNMore…be sure to make him feel welcome!

  73. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Read Bryan Hoch’s midseason evaluations posted @6:41.

    One thing of interest was Russell Martin’s evaluation of DRob’s “sneaky” fastball, much like that of lefty reliever Hong-Chih Kuo, of the Dodgers. If Kuo was released and could return to his 2010 form he’s lights out to both lefties and righties. Can he deal with the anxiety order he was DX with in May?

    With only 5 off days until the end of the season, A-Rod and others will see a lot of time at DH, making another utility infielder necessary to replace Pena.

    Hope Jones is gone in the next few days, but I think Beltran will be staying in the NL, where he knows the pitchers and has a chance to finish with a flourish heightening his chances for a lucrative contract.

    All this talk about Ubaldo Jimenez-lost 3-4 mph off fastball? T or F?

  74. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    Who would trade Montero straight up for Ubaldo?
    ___
    Not the Rockies….

  75. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Yeah Sheffield was cool and his swing was so badass.

    It was just the decision to choose him over the much younger Vladdy that killed me.

  76. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    According to fangraphs his avg FB is down about 3 mph……but it was down a lot early in the year…….not sure if its back somewhat or not.

  77. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Bojo,

    I know the Rockies probably wouldn’t…..

  78. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    I modeled my wiffle ball swing in HS after Sheff.

    Definitely one of the coolest swings ever.

  79. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    Who would trade Montero straight up for Ubaldo?
    ————————————–

    Would need one of the two good B’s also! So No.

  80. Joe from Long Island July 13th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    How would Jimenez’ decreasing FB translate to the AL, with the DH instead of the pitcher hitting? Especially in the AL East?

  81. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Trader,

    The question was straight up….if the Rockies would do it ;)

  82. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I am still unclear as to why Chad and some others cannot see Colon as our #2 in the play-offs. I’m sure Girardi will handle him with kid gloves the second half and have him ready for the play-offs…and the guy is a former Cy Young with great stuff and experience.

    When I think of pitchers who I would want starting ahead of him that are really available, the list is ,,,uh,,,ZERO.

  83. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Ubaldo still averages 94 MPH on both of his heaters. This is not like Phil Hughes going from 92 to 89.

    Dude still brings some serious heat.

  84. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Joe,

    I think it depends on if the Velocity loss is a long term thing…..Verlanded went through a downturn in velocity a couple of years back. He’s quite ok now.

  85. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Would need one of the two good B’s also! So No.

    Thats not the question, just like Betances for Ubaldo does not mean Betances+ for Ubaldo. Its would you do Montero for Jimenez straight up. You. Not the rockies or the yankees.

  86. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    The FB velocity fear for Ubaldo is understandable, but its like Chamberlain. Who cares if Chamberlain’s fastball decreased as a starter if its still in the top percentile of pitchers in the majors?

  87. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    There are 3 pitchers I’d consider trading Montero for-
    King Felix Hernandez
    Justin Verlander
    Clayton Kershaw

    Otherwise if given no chance as a Yankee I’d only trade him for a young hitter.

  88. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    I think the most exciting news today is that Hughes is changing his curve.

  89. Joe from Long Island July 13th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    blake – Well, Verlander got his mojo back, to say the least. I remember hearing an interview with Verlander last year, when he explained his poor season as being due to poor mechanics and such.

    So……it comes down to Billy Eppler’s scouting assessment of what Jimenez’ problem here, and the first half of the season, was.

    That, plus the small detail of whether or not Jimenez is available or not.

  90. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Jerkface-

    No I would not do Montero straight up for Jimenez. I’d do it for the 3 pitchers I mentioned above.

    Yes I would trade him straight up for another Rockie-Carlos Gonzalez.

    But realistically I know it ain’t happening.

  91. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    I probably wouldn’t trade Montero str8 up for Jimenez. He is good enough where I’d deal pitching for him, but not great enough where I’d want to spend the yankees only bat. I’d trade Montero for a young bat, as you said.

  92. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Blake-

    If you can guarantee me that I get the Ubaldo of last season I do it in a heartbeat.

  93. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Trader,

    Fair enough…..I probably wouldn’t either.

    Joe,

    True.

  94. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    •Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch said in a chat today that the Cardinals would most covet Jeremy Hellickson in a potential trade involving Rasmus and the Rays.
    —————————
    If I were the Cardinals GM and he was offered for Rasmus -Hellickson, Carpenter, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook should get the Cardinals into the playoffs and beyond. I’d do that trade.

  95. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Pitchers I’d trade Montero straight up for. I would really prefer to trade Manny or Dellin (or both!) for a pitcher but if that didn’t work:

    -Weaver
    -Verlander
    -Hamels
    -Shields
    -Hanson
    -Halladay
    -Haren
    -Pineda
    -Felix
    -Kershaw
    -Lincecum
    -Lester
    -Price
    -Ubaldo

  96. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    MTU,

    Yea…..but we can’t be guaranteed that unfortunately ……its one of those risks that coukd pay off big time but it is a risk.

  97. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    YT-

    I don’t believe the Rays would surrender Hellickson for Rasmus.

  98. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    -Weaver
    -Shields
    -Hanson
    -Haren
    -Pineda
    -Ubaldo

    These are the ones I am iffy or against on that list. Come on, Pineda? Really?

  99. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    LGY,

    Shields? No way on that one…..you coukd make a case for the rest

  100. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Manny Banuelos is warming up to come into the game. EL all Star game

    A Josh Norris piece with Banuelos talking about Dellin Betances

    http://minormatterstrenton.blo.....ellin.html

  101. champ809 July 13th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Someone is clearly misreporting or the rockies are delusional….what GM in his right mind would trade a #1 ace pitcher under control $wise and a power hitting corner OF’er and receive just a #1 pitcher under team control back?

    The Rocks are either peddling damaged goods in Ubaldo or they are assessing the current landscape and seeing the need that some of these playoff bound teams like Tex/Reds/Yanks and Boston have at the front of their rotations to matchup with the Gints and Phils and angling for an overpay for the services of a pitcher that they know in 2yrs they will not be able to afford @$120mm+….

    I’d rather have Dellin in 2012 and beyond than Ubaldo in 2011 and beyond….from a cost value perspective it just makes way more sense to pay say 5mm rather than 30mm for what may be comparable performance over the next say 5yrs

  102. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Pineda is only 22 and killing his rookie season!

    5 years of team control and 6 playoff runs!

  103. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    “Anybody have a link to that cell phone blog?”

    Stupid cell phone blog banned me because I kept on talking about the Yankees.

    I’ll show them! :mad:

  104. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Tommy Hanson sling shots his throws. Is he the next Jake Peavy?

  105. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Shields? No way.

  106. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    from a cost value perspective it just makes way more sense to pay say 5mm rather than 30mm for what may be comparable performance over the next say 5yrs

    ——————-

    Heh.

    Not making fun of you but I just had flashbacks to the Hughes for Roy Halladay discussions.

  107. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Pineda is only 22 and killing his rookie season!

    I don’t trust Pineda.

  108. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Shields is legit and has an awesome contract.

    Under team control through 2014.

  109. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Face,

    Why? No changeup?

  110. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    What was the Manny K on? I am assuming FB after the CB but with Manny you never know. These announcers are terrible.

  111. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    champ809-

    Good point. Actually Jimenez has a fairly reasonable contract thru 2014.

    11:$2.8M, 12:$4.2M, 13:$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14:$8M club option ($1M buyout)

  112. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Manny strikes out the side. :)

  113. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Banuelos strikes out the side in order on 13 pitches

    10 strikes

  114. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Im.almost positive Shields would return to mediocrity and Montero would kill it for Tampa……I just don’t think Mr. Changeup is this good.

  115. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Pineda looks like a guy that is either going to die or go to the pen. Throws 30% nasty sliders. Is pretty much all FB-SL.

  116. blake July 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Nice Manny! Maybe he will go off in the 2nd half

  117. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    YF-

    :) :) :)

  118. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Can someone please post the AA asg link again. please?

  119. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Is there a link to the AA AS game?

  120. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Here you go Tom

    http://www.wgiram.com/main.html

  121. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Here is the link to Gameday

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_eleaax_1

  122. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Nevermind…just saw GB’s link. Thx!

  123. champ809 July 13th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Trader

    The 4 yrs total 21mm+ and that 5th yr would begin most likely a long term deal beginning @ 20mm+ per….

    5yrs from now Dellin would be in his last arb year.

    Shields may be under team control but he’ll be getting a fat increase in arb this year and that is why I’m sure the Rays will trade him off this season and the current success he’s having

  124. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Hay Cihuahua !

    That’s my boy.

    Dishing out the hot sauce tonite.

  125. tomingeorgia July 13th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Thanks, GB7!

  126. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Banuelos is out of the game. Betances should be pitching in the next couple of innings

  127. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Any time, Tom

  128. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    True. Pineda’s elbow might get eaten by sliders.

    I think I would take the risk though because of how young and nasty he is. It would be a tough call tho.

  129. ron July 13th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    The braves are going to be a very tough team & in a short amount of time blow right pass the phillies.

    Jurrjens
    hanson
    beachy

    with more on the way.

  130. Bret The Hitman July 13th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    When the Yankees came out and squashed the idea of Beltran I haven’t been so happy since the Sox signed Mike Cameron after so many here were pining for him. I don’t want to have to outlaw any names. I just don’t want any old players at the deadline because you waste prospects and older players never remain as long term fixtures. So you’re squandering prospects when you trade for short term fixes like Beltran.

  131. blake July 13th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Ron,

    Don’t forget Teheran and Minor…..the Braves will be better than the Phillies soon…..they may pass then this year if they can add a bat.

  132. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    MTU :D

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Highest velo I saw from Manny on scout gun: 94. Highest on scoreboard: 97 — twice. Take your pick. #Yankees
    5 minutes ago

  133. blake July 13th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Beltran is a lot better than Mike Cameron.

  134. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
    Ron,

    Don’t forget Teheran and Minor…..the Braves will be better than the Phillies soon…..they may pass then this year if they can add a bat.
    ___
    And Vizcaino on the horizon…

  135. blake July 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    94 is legit velo from a lefty

  136. Bret The Hitman July 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Sorry Blake, you’ve been BANNED :lol:

  137. ron July 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    blake July 13th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
    Ron,

    Don’t forget Teheran and Minor…..the Braves will be better than the Phillies soon…..they may pass then this year if they can add a bat.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks/couldn’t remember their names but i knew about them..
    That is going to be the best group of young pitchers,by far in baseball.

  138. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Gonna go ahead and ban Soria & Reyes & Gio & Rasmus, whew

  139. Tom in N.J. July 13th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Face, how could you forget DeJesus?

  140. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Dellin Betances now pitching

  141. Bret The Hitman July 13th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    You won’t hear Reyes anymore. You’ll still hear Soria, Gio and Rasmus…maybe DeJesus.

  142. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Sorry they’ve been banned.

  143. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Betances with 1 inning, 1 strikeout, 2 fly outs, 7 pitches, 6 strikes

  144. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Banny and Bets look awfully tempting for late season relief help….maybe MB as our second LOOGY

Leave a comment below


Sponsored by:
 

Search

    Advertisement

    Follow

    Mobile

    Read The LoHud Yankees Blog on the go by navigating to the blog on your smartphone or mobile device's browser. No apps or downloads are required.

Advertisement

Place an ad

Call (914) 694-3581