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Yankees at the break: Second base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After making a run at the MVP award last season, Robinson Cano came into this season with sky-high expectations. He’s been very good, but he’s played a tick below last year’s production. If there’s any disappointment in Cano’s performance, it’s only because of the expectation coming into this season.

First half
Through significant chunks of the season’s first half, Cano has reverted to the free-swinging approach that he seemed to keep under control last season. His strikeouts are up slightly, and his walks are down significantly. Otherwise, Cano has been roughly the same player he was last season, on pace for roughly the same power numbers and the same sort of run production. His defense seemed spotty in the first month or so, but that’s been much better lately.

Second half
Cano is never going to be a Nick Swisher or Brett Gardner type of hitter. He swings. That’s what he does. He’s acknowledged a need to be more selective, but he doesn’t want to lose the aggressiveness that makes a dynamic hitter. Last year he found a great balance between selective and aggressive. This year, that balance has come and gone. If he finds it again in the second half, don’t rule him out as the Yankees best hitter down the stretch.

The minors
Kevin Russo got his season turned around in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Corban Joseph has been his typically productive self in Trenton – he’s been especially good against right-handed pitching and seems to hit every year – and Kelvin Castro has been a pleasant surprise in Tampa. The Yankees disappointment at second base has to be that David Adams took longer than expected to get healthy (he’s finally playing again) and that Anderson Feliz has struggled in Charleston (he seemed primed for a breakout season). The name to watch now is Angelo Gumbs, last year’s second-round pick who’s playing second for Staten Island.

One question
Can Cano pick up the slack for the next month?
When Alex Rodriguez went on the disabled list late last season, Cano had 15 RBI in the 14 games without A-Rod. It wasn’t that he necessarily hit better than he had all season – most of his numbers were actually a little worse – but he was productive enough to pick up some of the slack. The Yankees might need him to find a way to do something similar while Rodriguez is out again for the next month or so.

The future
The Yankees have club options for 2012 and 2013, and right now it looks like a no-brainer to exercise them. Of all the young players on the big league roster and all the talented prospects in the minors, no one is better positioned to be a career-long Yankee than Cano.

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307 Responses to “Yankees at the break: Second base”

  1. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Now we’re talking.

    LOVE the parade picture. :D

  2. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    “K-Rod Didn’t See Trade Coming”

    Boras was shut out of any ability to negotiate for Rodriguez. Read the attached:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ade-071211

  3. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am
    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 9:36 am
    Contreras and Conners have less to do with the minor league staffs in AA and AAA than Justin Pope in Trenton and Scott Aldred in Scranton.

    ————

    That’s just silly.

    When Chamberlain first came to the majors Nardi had more control over his use than Torre and Guidry did. A guy has that much control over a major league pitcher you think he’s going to have less control in the minors?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That’s company policy and Chamberlain was not the only one that had restrictions put on him. Conners was GMS III’s snitch and Contreras somehow got on the inside of the circle.

    ————————————–

    So it’s company policy for Nardi to give set the rules for how the pitchers are used and developed at the major league level and you think he has less control than the pitching coaches in the minor leagues?

    Your logic is flawed.

    Nardi tells Aldred and Pope how these guys are to be used, how many pitches, how many innings, how many side sessions, how many days of rest, what percentage of fastballs they should throw vs. percentage of second, third and fourth pitches. The pitching coaches may get to decide what order the pitches are thrown in, but the games are basically scripted by Tampa before teams take the field in Trenton or Scranton.

  4. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    jimbaumbach Durham says four players mentioned in Mitchell Report will testify, sayss Pettitte, Stanton and Knoblauch will admit hgh use. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Judge tells jury to “disregard” the mention by Durham about Pettitte, Stanton, Knoblauch confirming their HGH use. #clemens

  5. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Gumbs is really one to watch, Chad. Nice power from the IF position. Feliz is still learning how to hit breaking balls.

  6. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Erin-

    Are you referring to Mike Stanton, lefty pitcher?

  7. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Would Cano have the ability to be a GG fielder at any other position than 2B?

  8. tyanksfan36 July 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Chip

    I know by talking to the pitchers in Tampa, the bench does not call the games down here, the catchers do. I spoke to a pitcher once and asked him who he prefers to catch him. Without naming names he said he prefers X over Y because X calls pitches to his strength, the pitches that are working best that day compared to pitcher Y who calls the pitches to the batters weakness.

    I think when a catcher says they are still getting better at their game calling, its not that they’ve never had to do it, its that they need to figure out how to create a balance between calling pitches that are both a strength to the pitcher and a weakness to the hitter and realizing when to call each.

  9. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Yankee Trader- yes

  10. PacoDooley July 13th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    I always feel like Cano is just a little short of superstar status, but he is a superstar inside. Maybe it is playing the shadow of the Yankees, but he is an amazing talent that should look like a HoFer and a legend in the making, except it doesn’t quite feel that way. Maybe this will change in a year or two as he emerges as the best player on the team and starts to compare to some all time greats at second. But it feels like he needs to find a way to be even better than he has been to reach that status, and he has been great…

  11. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    YankeeFem, not 2nd basemen, but, how about those two weak hitting players at short and center field?

  12. blake July 13th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    “Would Cano have the ability to be a GG fielder at any other position than 2B?”

    Maybe 3B….not SS though.

  13. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Trader, third or right field?

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Herd mentality comment. IPK showed the ability in his first call up and he is showing it now. He would be fine here IMO. Let’s check his inter-league stats when we get a little time.
    ///

    Hey Bojo, regarding IPK, I don’t think that it was that he can’t pitch in the AL, I think that the AL East as training ground for him, combined with the utter impatience of fanbase & I daresay, the Yankees, conspired against him here. He certainly can pitch in either league.

    It remains to be seen how the Yanks do with future system guys that aren’t, say, as under the radar as a Nova, with whom they’ve done a good job. The Joba mess hopefully helps them, 1, reverse course on him when he’s healthy, and 2, grant guys like Betances & Banuelos a longer grace period.

    Hughes’ critics seem to conveniently forget his 18 wins last season & his dramatic stretch as the setup arm that put us over the top for winning the division in 2009. Giving up on these guys, as you say, at 25 years old, is laughable.

  15. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    jimbaumbach Durham says Kirk Radomski provided Clemens with PEDs and will testify to that. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Durham played 60 Minutes clip of Clemens saying show me who gave them these steroids, and Durham said that guy is Radomski. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Radomski will say he sent HGH to Clemens’ house in 2003, and Durham shows mailing label to jurors. “Hold for B.McNamee,” it says. #clemens

  16. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Until later. Have a great day.

  17. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    GB, Mason and Cito? ;)

  18. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Chip–

    Nardi sets the parameters, the coaches teach them how to pitch. Coaches have more micro level influence.

  19. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    YankeeFem, have not seen them, but, numbers say that Williams and Culver are not long for Staten Island.

  20. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    tyanksfan36

    I don’t doubt that the catchers call the games – it’s part of their development – but they’re also getting instruction from the bench prior to the game. Again, I’m not talking about which pitch gets called in which situation – that’s up to the player or coach. But the overview, the way in which the pitchers are developed, which pitches are being worked on, how many pitches they throw – that’s being dictated by a man in Nardi that I don’t see as being the least bit qualified. Four franchises, including the Yankees, have fired him as a pitching coach. He has had scores of “high ceiling” prospects and not a single one has developed – two have had major issues that can (IMNSHO) at least partially be attributed to how they were brought along (ie developed); and now we’re seeing another crop of top young prospect pitchers having their development stall due to injuries and/or control issues that can also be attributed to lack of feel or refinement – a result possibly of being underworked.

    The organization is using the direct opposite approach of two organizations that have seen the successful development of pitchers (Texas and Altanta) who believe that a pitcher is more likely to ruin his arm by underuse than by working normally.

  21. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    When Culver and Williams have as much meat as they do bones, the extra base hits are gonna jump.

  22. pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Yankees should hire me as wardrobe consultant because many of them need it and someone needs to burn the jacket Robbie is wearing in that picture.

  23. Yankee Trader July 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Blake and GB-

    Thanks for responding on Cano. The day might come where he might be needed at another position when a good 2ndBaseman is available as FA or from the minors.

    Have a great day. Cashman probably using lots of phone minutes today!!

  24. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am
    Chip–

    Nardi sets the parameters, the coaches teach them how to pitch. Coaches have more micro level influence.

    ————

    But those parameters aren’t proving effective. How many crops of supposed “potential top of the rotation arms” does Nardi get to diddle with before the Yankees stop looking at the individual pitching coaches and start thinking that the problem may be the guy setting those parameters.

  25. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    GB, I would think they will move up soon. Mason is 5 tool. He was the best player on the field by a Staten Island mile when I saw him play. He is a rail; when he puts on a few more pounds and adds some muscle he will be even more formidable. When I saw him, Cito hadn’t heated up yet at the plate, but I liked his range. Hopefully I get out to SI Friday or sometime next week.

    Hear if there will be any radio coverage for AA All Star game? Norris will likely tweet.

  26. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Trader, I have call waiting so Cashman won’t have to worry about my phone being tied up.

  27. tyanksfan36 July 13th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    GB

    It would be cool to see if either Culver or Williams get a promotion to Tampa for a few games at the end of the season like Feliz did last year.

  28. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Hughes is going back to the power curve??

    YES!!!!

    Thank you Larry Rothschild!

  29. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    YankeeFem, gotta believe that MiLB will carry the game. Last year, I think YES or NESN carried the game. I’m going to poke around and see what I can find.

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    “Of all the young players on the big league roster and all the talented prospects in the minors, no one is better positioned to be a career-long Yankee than Cano.”

    *************

    Good thing the Yankees didn’t listen to the no-nothing fans who wanted to deal Cano.

  31. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am
    Chip–

    Nardi sets the parameters, the coaches teach them how to pitch. Coaches have more micro level influence.

    ————

    But those parameters aren’t proving effective. How many crops of supposed “potential top of the rotation arms” does Nardi get to diddle with before the Yankees stop looking at the individual pitching coaches and start thinking that the problem may be the guy setting those parameters.
    ____
    Under what criteria are they not effective?

    He gets the young arms to the big leagues with IMO fewer injuries. Huge plus! Probably the most important function.

    He has developed Wang, IPK, Hughes as rotation starters.

    He has developed All star relievers in Clip, DRob, and talent in Joba and Coke.

    He has depth and talent with 2 top 50 prospects in Betances and Banuelos. And kids like the SWB staff and talent below.

    IMO, your argument is very weak today. No offense personally.

  32. pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Clemens Federal Prosecutor must not be a Sox fan or else Jose would have been in a Yankee uniform. :wink:

    TJQuinnESPN D: One player who used was Jose Canseco (shows buff pic as Red Sox player).

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Anderson Feliz has struggled in Charleston (he seemed primed for a breakout season).
    ///

    Feliz is so young, so I’m sure we can expect a few more pratfalls along the way. As a raw talent, albeit based on only 3 days watching him, he’s the most talented infielder I’ve seen in a long time from the farm, if you consider arm, range, smoothness, pop at the plate, & the fact that he’s a switch hitter who was able to drive the ball from both sides.

    He’s the first IF I’ve seen from the system who appears to have that toolsy OF type ability (Eduardo was the other, minus big power). Long limbed guy who’s moving much faster than he appears to be to get to balls. At the plate, he’s typically young guy jumpy on breaking stuff. Raw kid who just needs more polish, more time. One to hope for & keep an eye on.

  34. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    YankeeFem, gotta believe that MiLB will carry the game. Last year, I think YES or NESN carried the game. I’m going to poke around and see what I can find.
    ____
    GB, AA game is not listed, but maybe it will be added later. I am heading to work for a couple of hours, but will look to see if you have posted an update. Have a good day, all!

  35. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    pat has become Mrs. Blackwell of LoHud.

  36. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Pruf, agree about Feliz. Good analysis. He is a stud, just needs to evolve. Later.

  37. blake July 13th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I think Clemens should be sentenced to one year of eating a strict Vegan diet…..that is after he figures out what it is.

  38. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Later folks…

  39. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    Yankees should hire me as wardrobe consultant because many of them need it and someone needs to burn the jacket Robbie is wearing in that picture.

    **********************
    pat-Robbie looks good in anything. He can pull off that jacket. ;)

  40. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Bojo -

    No offense taken, we’re all entitled to disagree.

    I’m not saying that the Yankees haven’t produced some effective pitchers. But you’re lumping guys like Hughes and Joba together with Phil Coke and Tyler Clippard and saying that because they made the majors the Yankees have done well. That’s not the case.

    If Jesus Montero has a Francisco Cervelli-type career, that doesn’t make his development a success based on what his profile was when he was coming through the system.

  41. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    jimbaumbach Durham tells jury McNamee injected Debbie Clemens with HGH in master bedroom of Clemens’ Houston home. Clemens keeps looking down. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Now Durham introduces Pettitte’s relationship with Clemens, shows photo of McNamee, Clemens and Pettitte in Pettitte’s home gym. #clemens

    jimbaumbach Durham says McNamee saved needles, cotton balls, etc., from August 2001 “because he never trusted this man.” #clemens

  42. pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    GB

    :smile: Here’s fashion rule #1……..

    If you are wearing 2 things that scream “look at me” when you walk in the room, you are wearing one too many.

    Robbie’s jacket and tie are both screaming and in my experience, wearing purple will get a guy lots of compliments from women so the tie stays and the jacket goes.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    tyanksfan36 July 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am
    Chip

    I know by talking to the pitchers in Tampa, the bench does not call the games down here, the catchers do. I spoke to a pitcher once and asked him who he prefers to catch him. Without naming names he said he prefers X over Y because X calls pitches to his strength, the pitches that are working best that day compared to pitcher Y who calls the pitches to the batters weakness.

    I think when a catcher says they are still getting better at their game calling, its not that they’ve never had to do it, its that they need to figure out how to create a balance between calling pitches that are both a strength to the pitcher and a weakness to the hitter and realizing when to call each.
    ///

    Ty, good stuff as usual.

  44. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Pretty funny how many of us were killed for saying this exact thing during Hughes’ start against Cleveland.

    Phil Hughes’ curveball was not working. There was no deception, no knee-buckling feedback from the hitters to show that the pitch had the right stuff. “It never looks like a strike,” Hughes said. “And I just wasn’t getting the reactions that I really should be getting out of a curveball.”

  45. blake July 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    “It never looks like a strike,” Hughes said. “And I just wasn’t getting the reactions that I really should be getting out of a curveball.”

    I think recognizing that and admitting it is a great first step.

  46. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Robbie?s jacket and tie are both screaming and in my experience, wearing purple will get a guy lots of compliments from women so the tie stays and the jacket goes.

    ********************

    yeah, I’ll agree with this. :)

  47. 86w183 July 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Purple can get him some compliments from some guys too

  48. 86w183 July 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Going to the game in Toronto Sunday… has rotation been set officially?

  49. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Now if Hughes just reduces his use of that cutter we’ll really be getting somewhere.

    ;)

  50. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    86w183 July 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Going to the game in Toronto Sunday? has rotation been set officially?

    **********************
    Pretty sure you’ll be seeing Hughes

  51. NYYROC July 13th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Wife and I will be @ the Thur & Fri games in Tor. Looking forward to it! We have Bartolo and Freddy. CC is Sat. and Hughes is Sunday.

  52. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Randy-

    If you’re still out there.

    Appreciate you mentioning the importance of the mental toughness side of baseball.

    Unfortunately, that skill cannot be taught IMO.

  53. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    “I think recognizing that and admitting it is a great first step.”

    But why, WHY couldn’t he recognize that any sooner than the Cleveland start? *throws juice box and stamps feet*

  54. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    MTU July 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Now if Hughes just reduces his use of that cutter we’ll really be getting somewhere.

    ————-

    Scary thing is that Hughes may be relying on the cutter because he doesn’t have faith in the velocity of his fastball to miss bats at this level.

  55. Tom in N.J. July 13th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    As someone who owns 3 ascots, I think Cano looks great.

  56. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    pat July 13th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    GB

    Here’s fashion rule #1……..

    If you are wearing 2 things that scream “look at me” when you walk in the room, you are wearing one too many.

    Robbie’s jacket and tie are both screaming and in my experience, wearing purple will get a guy lots of compliments from women so the tie stays and the jacket goes.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That being the case, most of Hollywood should be going to these awards shows naked.

    I criticize nobody’s wearing apparrel. I have zero taste in clothes, so my granddaughters buy all of my clothes.

  57. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    “I criticize nobody’s wearing apparrel. I have zero taste in clothes, so my granddaughters buy all of my clothes.”

    I bet you rock leggings like no other, GB.

  58. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Chip-

    I understand and I think there is some truth to what you say.

    But that pitch has hurt him more than helped him IMO.

    The object for him now is to regain FB command which was always his strongest suit, and to add/rediscover an off speed swing and miss pitch like the curve.

    If he able to accomplish that he needs to then begin to mix in his CU.

    For now he just needs to keep it simple and regain his confidence.

    I hope he does. If not Nova is ready to step in to continue with his development.

  59. Against All Odds July 13th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    # Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Bojo -

    No offense taken, we’re all entitled to disagree.

    I’m not saying that the Yankees haven’t produced some effective pitchers. But you’re lumping guys like Hughes and Joba together with Phil Coke and Tyler Clippard and saying that because they made the majors the Yankees have done well. That’s not the case.

    If Jesus Montero has a Francisco Cervelli-type career, that doesn’t make his development a success based on what his profile was when he was coming through the system.
    # Chip July 13th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Bojo -

    No offense taken, we’re all entitled to disagree.

    I’m not saying that the Yankees haven’t produced some effective pitchers. But you’re lumping guys like Hughes and Joba together with Phil Coke and Tyler Clippard and saying that because they made the majors the Yankees have done well. That’s not the case.

    If Jesus Montero has a Francisco Cervelli-type career, that doesn’t make his development a success based on what his profile was when he was coming through the system.

    ———————————

    You would be surprised how many ppl have a problem with the Yankees and their development of prospects.

  60. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Shame
    thanks for that visual :)

  61. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    “I criticize nobody’s wearing apparrel. I have zero taste in clothes, so my granddaughters buy all of my clothes.”

    I bet you rock leggings like no other, GB.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    There’s no pix, so it never happened, Shame.

  62. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    My favorite wearing apparel is shorts, a torn t-shirt, and a can of beer.

    Sort of the Bubba look.

    :)

  63. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 11:01 am
    ?I criticize nobody’s wearing apparrel. I have zero taste in clothes, so my granddaughters buy all of my clothes.?

    I bet you rock leggings like no other, GB.

    ******************

    :lol:

  64. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    If you keep drinking the beer, it’ll become the Bubble Look

  65. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    I don’t think the Yankees are bad at developing pitchers. I think they’re actually quite good at it. At some point though, the onus is put upon the individual pitcher to show growth and development.

    We’ve seen that with Dave Robertsen. Think about how Melancon was the chosen one here for years and Robertsen was this guy with a loopy curve ball. Robertsen easily could have been the next Edwar Ramirez, but he worked his tail off to become something far more. He’s excellent proof of what the Yankees development and what the player does inside himself reaping rewards.

    I felt Nova, and still feel, is on that path. Nova was a rule 5 guy the Yankees barely had in their plans years ago. He worked his tail off, fixed things the Yankees wanted him to fix and became a solid starter this year who was improving in every start he made. He’s a rookie. He’s going to keep getting better because you can see the incremental jumps he makes from start to start. When the word was he couldn’t strike anyone, he changed his arsenal up and started to get more K’s. He’s another example of good development and intestinal fortitude.

    Randy nailed Hughes in the last thread. He said that he seems to find reasons to fail. Hopefully, that is remedied soon. I’m encouraged that he’s going back to the curve ball we’ve all been clamoring for him to go back to, but I’m also concerned that he’s in our rotation trying to find himself yet again. I was at a game recently and talking with another fan and he kept calling Hughes a “coaches son” type. That really hit home with me. I think he gets a lot more rope than other young pitchers in the org because of his demeanor. That said, Nova is nipping at his heels and he better be good. Not sensational. Just good.

    The Yankees will not deny Nova that spot in the rotation if Hughes is searching for himself and getting lit up in the process.

    I think the Yankees develop pitchers pretty darned good. But at some point the pitchers themselves have to finish off the development and take the next step.

  66. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    GB-

    Good. Then I can just float over these freakin’ mountains instead of having to spend all that effort climbing them.

    Guess I better keep it up then.

    :)

  67. pat July 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Worst misuse of a great business idea was Garanimals.

    Should have been a menswear line instead of a kidswear line.

  68. Doc Iac July 13th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    readin the posts on this board about phil hughes you can tell who is the optimistic ppl and who are the pessimistic….

    the best approach is… prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and expect the unexpected

    so i dont have confidence in hughes, i want him to do great, and maybe hell be traded with others for an ace

  69. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 10:41 am
    Pretty funny how many of us were killed for saying this exact thing during Hughes’ start against Cleveland.

    Phil Hughes’ curveball was not working. There was no deception, no knee-buckling feedback from the hitters to show that the pitch had the right stuff. “It never looks like a strike,” Hughes said. “And I just wasn’t getting the reactions that I really should be getting out of a curveball.”

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Get over yourself and quit playing victim. There’s already two of those on here. Nobody said that Hughes’ curveball in Cleveland was good.

  70. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I wonder if we would be even remotely accurate if we tried to guess the attire of the posters on the blog.. I always pictured SJ in white polo shirts and khaki pants. With tennis shoes. That are also gleaming white. Yeah… thats SJ.

  71. MTU July 13th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    G. Love-

    The Yankees rack and stack all their guys.

    But I agree with you that the ultimate responsibility for their success or failure falls upon the player’s shoulders.

    And you’re right Hughes has a Dominican Doberman nipping at his heels.

    The best thing is for both young men to succeed.

    That’s the outcome I’m pulling for.

  72. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    MTU July 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    GB-

    Good. Then I can just float over these freakin’ mountains instead of having to spend all that effort climbing them.

    Guess I better keep it up then.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Was referring less about your ability to float and more about your shape.

  73. NYYROC July 13th, 2011 at 11:18 am

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  74. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 11:19 am

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    Want to know who gets jobbed in this K-Rod trade? K-Rod’s former agent Paul Kinzer.

    Instead of getting his cut of $17.5 mil he’ll likely get a cut of $3.5 and then Boras will get whatever K-Rod’s next deal is (likely in the 3 year $35 mil range)

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  76. blake July 13th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    G. Love,

    Good post. I really can’t disagree with any of it though Im not sure that’s a fair assessment of how they’ve handled Hughes……it could be but it also could be a perception is reality type thing. I just don’t know. I do think Hughes has tinkered too much in his short career……he needs to find what works and refine it.

  77. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:22 am

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    ———————

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    Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 11:16 am
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    Pat M., sitting poolside with his Oakleys and red speedos, waiting for the pool cleaner girl.

    Randy with his checkered shorts pulled up between his waist and chest, black shoes with laces, black socks up to his knees and white undershirt with the straps and for accessories, his walker.

  80. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Hughes is at the crossroads.
    The next 2-3 starts will go a long way in determining what future he has as a Yankee or a pitcher for that matter.
    It might be a good idea to see what they can get for him esp since Nova is a better pitcher than he is right now.
    They still don’t really know what his problem is and this might be the highest his trade value might ever be.

  81. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I wonder if we would be even remotely accurate if we tried to guess the attire of the posters on the blog..

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  82. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Pat M., sitting poolside with his Oakleys and red speedos, waiting for the pool cleaner girl.

    Randy with his checkered shorts pulled up between his waist and chest, black shoes with laces, black socks up to his knees and white undershirt with the straps and for accessories, his walker.

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    OMG. :lol:

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    blake – You seem fair minded, so I picture you with glasses and a black lab sitting by a fire. Maybe reading War and Peace.

  84. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    That K-rod trade pretty much confirmed what I’ve been saying about the Mets all along. They don’t care what they get back. They just want to lop off as much money as possible.

    I’m both surprised and not surprised the Yankees didn’t take him on. With Soriano still being a question mark whether he might return and Joba out for the year I thought he might be a decent idea to bring here. That said, maybe the Yankees learned from Soriano that taking a hot tempered closer and making him pitch the 7th-8th might not be the right thing for the team. Not to mention that a lot of Yankees have had issues with K-rod’s antics on the mound over the years.

    Either way, the Mets can’t ask for top prospects for the high salaried vets. They can if they trade Reyes or Wright, but Beltran will also go for a song if someone wants to pay his freight.

    If the Red Sox really want Beltran, they’ll get him for Bowden and cash and we’ll all wretch.

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    Blake-

    A Panama hat and pipe with a baby in each arm.

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  87. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Oh, this one might be better.

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    Tough decision.

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  90. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Want to know who gets jobbed in this K-Rod trade? K-Rod’s former agent Paul Kinzer.

    Instead of getting his cut of $17.5 mil he’ll likely get a cut of $3.5

    =======================

    Getting fired is where he gets jobbed. Mets weren’t going to let the 2012 option kick in anymore than the Brewers will. He was getting a cut of $3.5M whether Rodriguez was traded or not.

  91. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    G Love

    Agreed.
    The Yankee pen, while doing a yeoman job so far, does not have the chops to get through the long haul.
    I don’t trust Wade, Ayala. Logan and am not sure Robertson is the EIG. Forget about Soriano.

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    blake

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  94. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    And his favorite hat

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  95. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    mick,

    Soriano has to come back and be the pitcher he was last year. If he does that in the 2nd half, this team will roll into the post season. That said, I’m skeptical. I wouldn’t be shocked if he said his elbow was still bothering him and hung it up for the season just as I wouldn’t be shocked if he came back and pitched lights out. He’s a mystery.

  96. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Bad news: All-Star Game overnights are down 13 percent to a 7.9 rating.
    ================================
    Demeans HFA.
    Best record should count.
    Undermines the Selig masterplan.
    Hoo Hah!!!!

  97. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    G Love

    Soriano has bad karma.
    He is a loser, which is why Cash didn’t want him, plus he was overpaid as the Yanks (Levine/Trost)
    bid against themselves again.
    Cash wants to change the culture but is up against corporate.

  98. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am
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    I have no problem picturing Blake in stonewashed jeans. Picturing GB in leggings? That is just wrong!

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    Player development isn’t always a linear process. It took a pitcher like Weaver 100 MLB starts to get his breaking ball to the point where he could trust it more. When you look at Hughes, think of the time he’s lost since 2007 rehabbing an injury. Those are lost years because rehabbing is time spent getting healthy, not time spent on working on things…

  102. bruceb July 13th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    So the Yankees took some stick last night from Buck and McCarver over the absence of some of their stars from the AS Game. Must admit, I think Jeter and Mo should have been there. A-Rod and CC had valid reasons for not going but baseball fans should have had the chance to pay tribute to the skipper for his historic achievement.

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    With his contract , Soriano is untradeable and can take off the next 2 1/2 years . Great contract. No wonder Cash hated it.

  104. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Jeter and Mo taking off is a protest against this sham they call an allstar game.
    Selig should be ashamed of himself as he has cheapened the game.

  105. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Cash should try to steal Heath Bell .

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  107. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:46 am

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    Beltran: “where nobody thought that he was going to be able to win it. Gonzalez did a great job, and at the end of the day…”

    mashmore98 Mike Ashmore
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    mashmore98 Mike Ashmore
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    “read it bottom to top”

    Got here too late.. god I need a cup of coffee.

  109. mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    If you’re a true Yankee fan , you applaud Jeter taking off.
    You are happy he is your Captain and stands for team first.
    He is not on a Ripken ego trip and does not need to be the face of baseball and represent it at an allstar game.
    He is resting as he should, getting ready for the 2nd 1/2, as is Mo.

  110. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Perhaps it would have helped aif I had put this at the top, huh?

    “read it bottom to top”

  111. blake July 13th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I don’t think he will be stealing Heath Bell…..Hoyer probably wouldn’t trade Bell to the Yankees for anything less than Montero, Betances, and Banuelos.

  112. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    mick July 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am
    Cash should try to steal Heath Bell .

    —————

    Cashman is not adding a 2nd closer who won’t close to the roster.

    And I don’t think Soriano is going to take his contract off – he got hurt – it happens

  113. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 11:56 am

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    ——-

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    This allows the unknowns to get a chance to get some recognition and pad their resumes.
    This will become the new trend and soon you might see double the players who can add allstar to their cache.

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    He can play all four corners and I think getting out of Yellowstone…I mean Petco…will only serve to help his offensive numbers.

  117. mick July 13th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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