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Yankees at the break: Third base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Alex Rodriguez stopped driving the ball late last month, it was obvious something was wrong. The Yankees talked about a sore knee, and it seemed he needed to play through it until he got back to normal. Turns out, getting back to normal required surgery that will force Rodriguez to miss a month or more.

First half
When Rodriguez finished the month of April hitting .290/.407/.609, it seemed he might have regained his MVP form. He’d talked a lot about finally going through his regular offseason routine – he was no longer forced to rehab – and it seemed to be paying off. May wasn’t nearly as productive, June was another big month, and then came the surgery. It was an up-and-down first half even before Rodriguez injured his knee while running the bases in Chicago.

Second half
Rodriguez probably won’t be back until mid-August or so. The Yankees are hoping that he’ll return at 100 percent, ready to hit for power and provide a significant spark down the stretch. He was hitting .302/.413/.623 in the 15 games leading up to that Chicago series, so maybe a healthy knee is all he needs to be one of the best hitters in baseball again. If he comes back as good as ever, the Yankees will have a bigger addition than any team could hope for at the trade deadline. It’s worth noting that Rodriguez has only 13 home runs at this point. His streak of 13 straight seasons with at least 30 homers is probably coming to an end.

The minors
Added to the 40-man after a tremendous 2010 season, Triple-A third baseman Brandon Laird started this season with a .184 average through the month of April, and he’d still hit only two home runs by the end of May, but he’s turned things around significantly and how has a .268 average with 10 homers at the break. He’s been especially good against lefties and could play a role at the big league level to help fill the A-Rod void. In the lower levels, Rob Segedin and Robert Lyerly played well enough to earn mid-season promotions to Tampa and Trenton respectively (Lyerly has primarily played first since joining the Double-A roster). First-round pick Dante Bichette is off to a slow start in rookie ball.

One question
Can Eric Chavez play a role in the second half?
The Yankees seemed to have landed a significant bench player when Chavez started this season hitting .303 as a part-time third baseman, first baseman and designated hitter. He might have pushed Jorge Posada out of the DH spot had he not hobbled off the field in Detroit back in May. He hasn’t played since, and his rehab has included a series of setbacks. If Chavez could come back healthy, he could be the best Rodriguez place holder the Yankees could ask for.

The future
It was the quad in 2008, the hip in 2009, the calf in 2010 and now it’s the knee. Rodriguez remains one of the game’s better hitters, but he’s about to turn 36 years old and he’s showing signs of breaking down. He’s signed through 2017, so the Yankees might have to count on more DH time and fewer starts at third base in the not-so-distant future.

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207 Responses to “Yankees at the break: Third base”

  1. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I guess he really was living the high life:

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-tax-bill/

  2. blake July 13th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    “The Yanks need to go all in if the Rockies are listening on Ubaldo.”

    Like how all in?

  3. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    AndrewMarchand Update: Robertson and Granderson in first, Russell Martin in coach. Me? What do u think?

  4. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    “His streak of 13 straight seasons with at least 30 homers is probably coming to an end.”
    ___
    I would never bet against him. He can get hot in a hurry.

  5. Betsy July 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    I’d be very skeptical of Jimenez if the Rockies are offering him up………there must be something wrong as there’s no reason for them to do so

  6. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Like how all in?

    ——-

    No one is untouchable.

  7. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Erin July 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    AndrewMarchand Update: Robertson and Granderson in first, Russell Martin in coach. Me? What do u think?

    ————–

    If there’s justice in the world Marchand is driving back from Arizona in a mid 90′s Crown Vic with no AC and leather seats.

  8. Joe from Long Island July 13th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    I thought Jimenez’ velocity was down? Why?

  9. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Chad–

    If Chavez comes back in August and plays well, do the Yankees re-sign him for 2012 or does he walk?

  10. jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I wonder why Chad said Jeter “would not have been able to play” at the All-Star game?

    5-5 with a home run and 2 stolen base attempts on Saturday, bunted for a hit on Sunday. Those aren’t the actions of a player that is hurting, especially bunting for a hit.

    It’s his decision, but let’s be real and stop trying to defend him by saying he was hurt.

  11. jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    I like Chavez’ ability, but he appears so brittle that he can’t even be relied upon to be a backup.

  12. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Jiminez is down by 4 MPH, and they complain about Hughes.

  13. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Forget Ubaldo, put together a package for the Marlins to get Sanchez or Nolasco and Randy Choate.

  14. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    I like Chavez’ ability, but he appears so brittle that he can’t even be relied upon to be a backup.
    ____
    Incentive-laden contracts aren’t a big risk…

  15. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    Well, Chad didn’t like my Santana thought – to which I say – I’m sticking to it!

    ——————————————————————————-

    Wilson got put on the clearance rack after last night.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    And Santana is in the bargain bin at Nieman-Marcus. 1% discount but still picked over junk

  16. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    I wonder why Chad said Jeter “would not have been able to play” at the All-Star game?

    5-5 with a home run and 2 stolen base attempts on Saturday, bunted for a hit on Sunday. Those aren’t the actions of a player that is hurting, especially bunting for a hit.

    It’s his decision, but let’s be real and stop trying to defend him by saying he was hurt.

    —————-

    I think he meant that Jeter would not have been able to play because he asked off the roster. The question was about Jeter going to Arizona like a lot of the non-roster All-Stars did. Since Jeter wasn’t on the roster, he wouldn’t have been able to play is (I think) Chad’s point.

  17. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
    Well, Chad didn’t like my Santana thought – to which I say – I’m sticking to it!

    ——————————————————————————-

    Wilson got put on the clearance rack after last night.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    And Santana is in the bargain bin at Nieman-Marcus. 1% discount but still picked over junk

    ———————————

    Once again – because you say so is not a valid argument. Until you have something more on point to offer – please stay out of adult conversations.

  18. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    I like Chavez’ ability, but he appears so brittle that he can’t even be relied upon to be a backup.
    ____
    Incentive-laden contracts aren’t a big risk…

    ————

    Agreed – I have no problem offering Chavez another minor league deal.

  19. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Erin July 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    AndrewMarchand Update: Robertson and Granderson in first, Russell Martin in coach. Me? What do u think?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Strapped to the tail spar is more luxury than he deserves.

  20. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I told my buddy about how everyone on the blog wants Michael Young on the Yankees and he looked at me like he just got hit in the head with a sledgehammer and said, “Oh my god, I have to get to my PS3 and put in MLB’s Front Office! Michael Young is coming to New York baby!!”

  21. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Jiminez is down by 4 MPH, and they complain about Hughes.

    ——

    It’s down 2 mph.

    You prob would have prospect hugged a chance to get Verlander back in 08.

  22. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Given the free pub, Miller should pay the kid’s college debt as well.

    Jiminez isn’t worth Montero.

  23. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Forget Ubaldo, put together a package for the Marlins to get Sanchez or Nolasco and Randy Choate.

    ——-

    Can’t compare Nolasco or Anibal to Ubaldo

  24. jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    It’s not the price with Chavez that’s the problem, it’s that you sign him to be your backup, and then he’s not there, forcing you to go to a secondary backup.

  25. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    GreenBeret 7 -

    That’s not to say you have to agree with me about Santana – but your opinion would be a lot stronger if you offered some argument other than “waaaah, I don’t want him, waaaah” or words to that effect.

    Your arguments thus far:

    He hasn’t done anything in a year and a half
    He’s not worth $75 mil over 3 years
    Yankees aren’t investing that kind of money into a pitcher with still having to re-sign Sabathia
    Yankees don’t have a back up infielder in the system to replace Nunez

    Have all been shot down as either incorrect or irrelevant – if you don’t have anything else to offer I think you would earn more respect by saying something along the lines of “Chip, you know what, I just don’t like the idea of the Yankees going after Santana this winter whether he’s healthy or not.” and leave it at that.

  26. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    I keep hearing about the All-Star game and how the fans were let down and blah blah blah… can we do a quick poll of how many people here care about the All-Star break? I wish I could put CNN on the case to do a national poll because I’m pretty sure to anyone that knows anything about baseball the All-Star game is just 3 long, hard, agonizing days without the real thing.

  27. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    Forget Ubaldo, put together a package for the Marlins to get Sanchez or Nolasco and Randy Choate.

    ——-

    Can’t compare Nolasco or Anibal to Ubaldo

    ———

    Agreed – Ubaldo is (in theory) the better pitcher. But when a team puts a guy on the market that they have no phathomable reason to trade I’m skeptical.

  28. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    fathomable, not phathomable.

  29. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    NYYs play 8 straight games on turf starting tomorrow. Getting rest and treatment is smarter than hopping on a plane for a 4 hour flight, stand there and waive his little hat and then another 4 hour flight and a day later back on another flight.

    Why the Hell is nobody whining about the other 20+ non-attendees? Are Jeter and the Yanks the only ones that need to be criticized?

  30. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    jacksquat July 13th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    It’s not the price with Chavez that’s the problem, it’s that you sign him to be your backup, and then he’s not there, forcing you to go to a secondary backup.
    ___
    So?

    That’s why Cashman likes to have depth anyway.

    The upside with Chavez might be higher than anything else available because vets don’t like signing on as bench players that get little time. Chavez was fine with it due to health.

  31. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    But when a team puts a guy on the market that they have no phathomable reason to trade I’m skeptical.
    ___
    Justin Upton was “on the market.” Let’s GM get a guage on the player’s value….I don’t think they are trying to move him, but would take a package if it overwhelms them.

  32. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
    NYYs play 8 straight games on turf starting tomorrow. Getting rest and treatment is smarter than hopping on a plane for a 4 hour flight, stand there and waive his little hat and then another 4 hour flight and a day later back on another flight.

    Why the Hell is nobody whining about the other 20+ non-attendees? Are Jeter and the Yanks the only ones that need to be criticized?

    ———————-

    Because Jeter (and Mariano) were the only two non-attendees who aren’t currently on the DL, heading to the DL or are starting pitchers who were unavailable to pitch last night.

  33. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    ***Lets GMs get a gauge***

  34. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    With this contract:

    11:$2.8M, 12:$4.2M, 13:$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14:$8M club option ($1M buyout)

    That they would trade him raises red flags.

  35. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    I really enjoyed the ASG the year it was at old YS, and I like the HR Derby, altho it is too long. Other than that, it doesn’t do much for me. I did enjoy watching D-rob pitch.

  36. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Later folks.

  37. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    But when a team puts a guy on the market that they have no phathomable reason to trade I’m skeptical.
    ___
    Justin Upton was “on the market.” Let’s GM get a guage on the player’s value….I don’t think they are trying to move him, but would take a package if it overwhelms them.

    ————-

    Yeah but there was a reason Upton was supposedly on the market – actually a few of them.

    1. New regime in place that was trying to cut down on the strikeouts in the lineup
    2. The team is rebuilding and dealing him could have added significant pieces that could speed up that process
    3. His contract

    With Ubaldo you have a team that is not rebuilding; he’s got a good contract situation and when he’s right he’s the best pitcher on that staff.

  38. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Why the Hell is nobody whining about the other 20+ non-attendees? Are Jeter and the Yanks the only ones that need to be criticized?

    =============================

    Of the 84 guys named, only 5 didn’t actually attend. Chipper Jones and the 4 Yankees.

  39. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Why the Hell is nobody whining about the other 20+ non-attendees? Are Jeter and the Yanks the only ones that need to be criticized?

    ——

    Because the 20+ number is not remotely accurate??

    84 players were named All Stars. 79 showed up. Of the 5 who didn’t show up FOUR were Yankees.

    Only one non Yankee All Star didn’t attend. Chipper.

  40. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Of course there are all of the pitchers that didn’t show because they weren’t playing.

  41. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I agree upstate kate. Its not as if I see no value in it. But the hoopla surrounding Derek specifically not going.. I mean, you’d think these guys weren’t in the middle of a 162 game season.

  42. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    3. His contract

    ==============

    Upton’s contract is a steal for the D’backs. His contract has zero to do with Towers listening on him. If anything, his contract serves to jack up his trade value.

  43. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Of course there are all of the pitchers that didn’t show because they weren’t playing.

    ——

    Except they all showed up other than CC and Mo.

  44. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    I don’t care whether Jeter showed or not. The only ones complaining are the media idiots that said he shouldn’t be there and year after year, he’s over rated. Screw them and the pissy fans.w

  45. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Of course there are all of the pitchers that didn’t show because they weren’t playing.

    ===========================

    Nah, just Sabathia and Rivera.

  46. m July 13th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Good morning everyone!

    That was a pretty good semifinal soccer match. Go, USA!

    The ASG was a big dud. Mostly because we lost, but it was boring, too. Very little wattage, but to he expected with injuries to guys like Pujols and Arod and no shows led by Jeter.

    I don’t judge the guy, but I feel he should have gone. But it’s not a big deal to me personally. Jason Smith said last night that he thinks Jeter would have gone if he could do it over again because if the flack he’s getting. I disagree. Jeter knew exactly what would happen, and he’s obviously okay with it.

    As a fan it’s disappointing, and part of me feels its part if his ambassadorial duties, but Jeter has served the game long enough. He felt he needed this time to himself. Completely understandable.

  47. Warning Track Power July 13th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Reality is smacking ARod right in the face.
    Come next year, Yankees might be asking ARod to DH about 1/2 of his games, while playing 3rd base the other 1/2.
    If so, could be the end of Posada in pinstripes.

  48. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Of course there are all of the pitchers that didn’t show because they weren’t playing.

    ————

    You mean CC Sabathia?

  49. MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Chip

    You seem like a guy that doesn’t realize what you have till you replace it with something that isn’t as good.

    You want to make an offer on Santana after one month of pitching if that?

    That’s what, maybe six starts?

    Is that enough to make a 75mil. gamble?

    I’m not sure the Yankees would want to send you to Vegas with their money and expect a good return.

  50. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    The only people that Jeter, Rivera or anubody else owes anything to is their team mates, the organization. MLB and fans are are a distant 3rd.

  51. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I don’t care whether or not Jeter showed either. Similarly, I wouldn’t have cared if they cancelled the AS game either.

  52. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    If so, could be the end of Posada in pinstripes

    =============================

    I’m under the impression that this is Posada’s last as a Yankee player either way.

  53. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    I don’t care whether Jeter showed or not. The only ones complaining are the media idiots that said he shouldn’t be there and year after year, he’s over rated. Screw them and the pissy fans.w

    ——————

    You’re a very interesting case study. You get mad about something – throw out a lot of inaccurate information and then, when it’s pointed out that your information is inaccurate, rather than act like an adult and say “my mistake” you throw a hissy fit.

    Actually, my mistake, you’re not interesting at all.

  54. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    pat summed it up best (as usual) yesterday

    Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months.

  55. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    “If so, could be the end of Posada in pinstripes.”

    Gotta believe its the end of Posada in pinstripes no matter what the health of Arod may be..

  56. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    RiverAveBlues RT @Buster_ESPN: Sources: Yankees are not interested in acquiring Carlos Beltran.

    RobinsonCano Also want to congratulate the Womans USA soccer team and good luck in the finals.

    SamBorden What was this past week about in baseball? Fathers and sons. Check out my SI.com debut. http://bit.ly/o2nHe9

  57. luis July 13th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Chip,

    Sorry to cut in, but the argument of not pitching in more than a year is a motive to pause because you don`t know what you are going to get. 75 million in 3 years seems exhorbitant for a pitcher that may not be the ace he used to be. having to resign Sabathia is another good argument, the yankees do have a financial ceiling or limit. On the Nunez argument it may be a lesser argument but true anyway. I do tend to agree that those are very good arguments IMO.
    thoughts?

  58. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    “Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months.”

    I disagree for two reasons: 1) there are baseball reasons to criticize Jeter; and 2) Jeter has far more defenders.

  59. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    Chip

    You seem like a guy that doesn’t realize what you have till you replace it with something that isn’t as good.

    You want to make an offer on Santana after one month of pitching if that?

    That’s what, maybe six starts?

    Is that enough to make a 75mil. gamble?

    I’m not sure the Yankees would want to send you to Vegas with their money and expect a good return.

    ————-

    Maine,

    What am I replacing by making an offer for Santana? Freddy Garcia?

    I’m not saying – trade for Santana and let CC walk. I would like them both. Yankees were willing to give Cliff Lee more money over more years and still have to re-sign CC so this is better financially than that would have been.

    I accept that Nunez and Noesi are intriguing young players, but in the roles they have with NY and are likely to continue with NY over the next several years they’re both replaceable.

    My rotation would be:
    CC
    AJ
    Santana
    Hughes
    Nova (or Colon if he finishes strong and is willing to accept another make good contract or 1 year deal with a low base)

  60. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    pat summed it up best (as usual) yesterday

    Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months.

    ********************

    Yeah, I would tend to agree with this.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Chat Question: “If you could make one and only change to the team to set them up a successful playoff run.”

    Chad Jennings: “To me it’s always about starting pitching. Right now, the Yankees rotation has been good, but adding a No. 2 could be really helpful in the postseason. It’s certainly not their biggest need in the second half, but the playoffs are a different kind of animal.”

    ********************

    That is exactly what I have been saying for months now.

  62. m July 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    How did Sam end up with two great gigs so fast? Great job.

    We better appreciate Chad while he’s still here. ;)

  63. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    This Ubaldo thing is just too strange. No team will deal their top chips for him w/o some kind of physical evaluation, so I doubt he’s seriously injured.

    I wonder if this is more about Colorado trying to light a fire under the guy and get him to pitch like he was capable of. Sometimes guys slip into these rumors to wake them up.

    If he is healthy and he is available, he’ll cost a king’s ransom. Figure Montero, Betances and more to get him.

    Not long ago he was a real Cy Young type. A true #1.

    I don’t think he’s really available. I think Colorado is trying to kick him into gear for the 2nd half. That said, once players names get leaked, these things can take on a life of their own and the player could get insulted and want out.

    Has there ever been a Colorado pitcher who left that team and pitched well for another team?

    He’s 27, cheap and strikes out a ton of batters. Something’s not adding up here. Is he a problem in the clubhouse or something?

  64. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months

    =================================

    Kinda true, unfortunately. I had zero problem with him not going, as I believe it’s really has been a tough several weeks for him on a physical and mental level, but I don’t really blame MLB for being a little steamed about it either.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Chat Question: “How long a leash does Hughes have?”

    Chad Jennings: “Pretty long. He’s been awfully good for two years now, one out of the pen and one out of the rotation. Plus, he’s a big part of the Yankees future.”

    *****************

    That Chad Jennings is a very insightful and smart baseball writer.

  66. m July 13th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    I would think missing mphs is the problem there.

    Liriano also has issues.

    Not exactly selling high, but close to it.

  67. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    luis July 13th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
    Chip,

    Sorry to cut in, but the argument of not pitching in more than a year is a motive to pause because you don`t know what you are going to get. 75 million in 3 years seems exhorbitant for a pitcher that may not be the ace he used to be. having to resign Sabathia is another good argument, the yankees do have a financial ceiling or limit. On the Nunez argument it may be a lesser argument but true anyway. I do tend to agree that those are very good arguments IMO.
    thoughts?

    —————-

    Luis – feel free to cut in any time.

    Sure there’s a risk to bringing in Santana – but there are a few things:

    1. The actual dollar value of his contract is not $25 mil for each of the next three years. It’s closer to $20 mil with another $15 to be paid out in 7 years.

    2. The Yankees knew they were going to have to re-sign CC this past winter when they were willing to hand Cliff Lee – a pitcher with a history of back problems – a 7 year deal for $26 mil per

    3. Nunez’s role here is that of utility infielder – that’s likely to be his role here for at least the next 2 or 3 years – while he’s a very nice player his role is one that has a lot of players capable of filling it either from inside or outside of the organization.

  68. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    This Ubaldo thing is just too strange. No team will deal their top chips for him w/o some kind of physical evaluation, so I doubt he’s seriously injured.

    I wonder if this is more about Colorado trying to light a fire under the guy and get him to pitch like he was capable of. Sometimes guys slip into these rumors to wake them up.

    If he is healthy and he is available, he’ll cost a king’s ransom. Figure Montero, Betances and more to get him.

    Not long ago he was a real Cy Young type. A true #1.

    I don’t think he’s really available. I think Colorado is trying to kick him into gear for the 2nd half. That said, once players names get leaked, these things can take on a life of their own and the player could get insulted and want out.

    Has there ever been a Colorado pitcher who left that team and pitched well for another team?

    He’s 27, cheap and strikes out a ton of batters. Something’s not adding up here. Is he a problem in the clubhouse or something?

    ——————-

    Right – this is why I would be wary about dealing for him.

  69. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    What a wonderful story by Sam, thanks for the link Erin. And how nice that Sam has been able to keep writing.

  70. Warning Track Power July 13th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Is it just me or has the 3 day break from Yankee baseball come at the right time?
    I’m enjoyed the 3 days with no games, not having to rush home to turn on the t.v. check the internet for the latest score, etc….

  71. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Back on the Santana kick again? In what year was he a $25 mil a year pitcher last? They don’t even know if he’ll pitch this year or if he beomes Scott Kasmir or Francisco Liriano. That ain’t even a $15 mil a year pitcher.

  72. MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Chip

    It’s only better financially if he is healthy for the 3yrs.

    To me that is more of an issue than the money.

    You base this argument on what Santana was.

    You have no idea what he’ll be coming back from major surgery.

    And as I said 1 month isn’t enough to make a 75mil commitment to him.

  73. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    You’re worried about Jiminez but drool for Santana? I wouldn’t want either without a lot of questions answered.

  74. blake July 13th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    If Ubaldo is healthy then I’d put a nice package offer together for him….but probably wouldn’t be including more than one of Montero (not sure I’d include him at all), Betances, and Banuelos. Have to kick the tires if he’s available though…..one of the best arms in baseball when he’s right.

  75. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    # Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months

    =================================

    Kinda true, unfortunately. I had zero problem with him not going, as I believe it’s really has been a tough several weeks for him on a physical and mental level, but I don’t really blame MLB for being a little steamed about it either.

    —————————————-

    The part that irritates me is them quoting Jeter as being ‘mentally and physically exhausted from the 3,000 chase’…. from everything I’ve read he never said/claimed such a thing and it just doesn’t even sound like something he’d say. So when I hear Joe Buck tell millions of viewers this is the reasoning, as if its coming straight from Jeter’s mouth, I feel like he’s just doing it to antagonize me.

  76. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    I’d offer Martin in a package for Jimenez.

  77. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Chip,

    I’ll butt in.

    1. 20 million is not such a savings. 60 million immediately plus guaranteed deferments in the future is a substantial amount of money for a guy who has yet to throw good or bad on a professional mound yet this year. You’re acting like paying him 20 million is a drop in the bucket. How many 20 million players can the Yankees have? They have Arod, Tex, CC and that’s it. Cano is probably going to be one in a few years. If the Yankees are going to pay anyone 20 million a season it will be a free agent starter like Felix (someday) or Kemp.

    2. Cliff Lee may have had a history of back problems, but he pitched the Rangers into the World Series and has not missed significant time over the past few years. He was healthy coming off a great season/post season. Johan is hardly a comparable in that regard.

    3. As for Nunez, I agree with you. He shouldn’t have held up the Cliff Lee deal last year and he shouldn’t hold up any big deal while the Yankees are making trades to upgrade their rotation or everyday lineup. He has no everyday role here with Jeter and Arod locked up and it’s going to be hard for him to get at bats unless they hit the DL. I would deal him for something big in a heartbeat even though I like him a lot too.

    That said, if the Yankees took on Johan (which they won’t) I wouldn’t trade them anything of consequence as you’re relieving the Mets of a huge debt and risk. If a team is willing to take on Johan’s contract before he proves he’s really healthy and effective, the Mets would be lucky to get Ramiro Pena for him straight up.

  78. luis July 13th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Luis – feel free to cut in any time.

    Sure there’s a risk to bringing in Santana – but there are a few things:

    1. The actual dollar value of his contract is not $25 mil for each of the next three years. It’s closer to $20 mil with another $15 to be paid out in 7 years.

    2. The Yankees knew they were going to have to re-sign CC this past winter when they were willing to hand Cliff Lee – a pitcher with a history of back problems – a 7 year deal for $26 mil per

    3. Nunez’s role here is that of utility infielder – that’s likely to be his role here for at least the next 2 or 3 years – while he’s a very nice player his role is one that has a lot of players capable of filling it either from inside or outside of the organization.

    1. Still an Acelike contract, i think Santana is not going to return to form ( Shoulder issues are usually tricky and hard to heal )

    2. True, but lee is actually pitching, something we can`t say of Santana. ( besides i think the non signing of Lee is a blessing in disguise, because the financial flexibility of the club would have been seriously compromised, think late 00`s as example )

    3. true if i`m making the trade i don`t stop for Nunez, but having Arod and Jeter on the roster means that you need something better than a simple backup, but true it can be found.

  79. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    The part that irritates me is them quoting Jeter as being ?mentally and physically exhausted from the 3,000 chase??. from everything I?ve read he never said/claimed such a thing and it just doesn?t even sound like something he?d say. So when I hear Joe Buck tell millions of viewers this is the reasoning, as if its coming straight from Jeter?s mouth, I feel like he?s just doing it to antagonize me.

    **********************

    Shame, I changed the channel soon after Buck started going off on his rant. There’s only so much eye-rolling a girl can do. ;)

  80. Bronx Jeers July 13th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Somebody should have asked Chad which poster is the biggest detriment to the blog.

  81. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    “3. As for Nunez, I agree with you. He shouldn’t have held up the Cliff Lee deal last year and he shouldn’t hold up any big deal while the Yankees are making trades to upgrade their rotation or everyday lineup.”

    We don’t really know that he did because the overriding issue appears to have been testing whether or not Jack Z. was negotiating in good faith with the Yankees, and it appears from the surrounding facts and circumstances, that he wasn’t. So any isolated quote or report without that context has only limited utility.

  82. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    You’re worried about Jiminez but drool for Santana? I wouldn’t want either without a lot of questions answered.

    —————-

    Yes because Johan, while he has a bigger contract, would command a lot less in terms of quality players to bring in via trade.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Erin July 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    pat summed it up best (as usual) yesterday

    Jeter is getting a crash course in being A Rod the past 6 (?) months.

    ********************

    Yeah, I would tend to agree with this.
    ////

    I wouldn’t. Jeter has way more insight into Alex than anyone here, since they’ve had a relationship since like 1992.

  84. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    It occurred to me when Jeter got his 3000th hit that I was so happy that Kay got to make the call. While I often find him to be annoying, there was no doubt about how happy and excited he was. Just imagine if it was an espn, or worse, a fox game.

  85. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Shame, what Jeter did say that going on the DL and getting back to get the needed hits at home was stressful and exhausting. One of the only times I’ve ever seen him mention pressing.

  86. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Trenton now has Betances preceding Banuelos in post All Star rotation, which makes more sense. But attending means missing Hughes’ start on TV. Not liking that.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for Ubaldo, let alone include Betances. :roll:

  87. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    RiverAveBlues Rehab time. RT @jnorris427: Ooh. Mark Prior started today in GCL land. #Yankees

  88. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Hughes changing his curveball to a power curve? bout damn time.

  89. luis July 13th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    hi Yankee fem,

    Spot on

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    YF, Wouldn’t trade either even up.

  91. Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    GB – Very true but he never said it was his reason for not showing up to the ASG, a narrative which has been perpetuated to the nth degree..

  92. pat July 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    “How did Sam end up with two great gigs so fast? Great job.”

    Freelancing. No guaranteed check. No benefits. Not so great.

  93. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    from everything I’ve read he never said/claimed such a thing and it just doesn’t even sound like something he’d say

    ============================

    It doesn’t……but he pretty much did say it after the 3K.

  94. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Nunez may be a utility player with the Yankees, but if a team wants a major league ready shortstop, that’s what they are paying for.

  95. Warning Track Power July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Jerkface-
    Is that the latest news on Hughes? Interesting.
    Not sure I like that. Just means more hard stuff.
    Where is the off-speed?
    Why won’t he trust his change-up more in games?

    I don’t know about anybody else, but I am sick and tired of Hughes throwing just
    about everything hard. Hard. Hard. Hard.

    Deception is key. There has to be something off speed coming out of his hand.

  96. The Mets are Pond Scum July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    It occurred to me when Jeter got his 3000th hit that I was so happy that Kay got to make the call. While I often find him to be annoying, there was no doubt about how happy and excited he was. Just imagine if it was an espn, or worse, a fox game.

    ————————————————————————————————-

    It strikes me that Vin Scully should open a school for broadcasting a la Lee Strasberg before all hope in quality broadcasting is extinguished.

  97. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Not sure I like that. Just means more hard stuff.
    Where is the off-speed?

    A power curve is 81ish mph, its not exactly a fastball.

  98. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Rich,

    Fair point. We don’t know for sure Nunez would have been the tipping point for Lee last year, but we do know that is what was leaked/reported as killing the Yankees deal.

    If he were the tipping point, I would have made the deal.

    If we could have gotten him and then signed him to a 5 year extension here, it would have been a great deal for the Yankees and they probably win a WS title last year.

    Only Jack Z knows if he would have dealt him to the Yankees if Cash pulled Adams and put Nunez in the deal.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    37 year old Jeter playing a game for the Yankees on a still healing calf is one thing. Flying across the country to play on it in what effectively is an exhbition game would have been sheer stupidity.

    The whole thing is disingenuous as ever. Lot of dumb people peddling to dumber.

  100. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    Chip,

    I’ll butt in.

    1. 20 million is not such a savings. 60 million immediately plus guaranteed deferments in the future is a substantial amount of money for a guy who has yet to throw good or bad on a professional mound yet this year. You’re acting like paying him 20 million is a drop in the bucket. How many 20 million players can the Yankees have? They have Arod, Tex, CC and that’s it. Cano is probably going to be one in a few years. If the Yankees are going to pay anyone 20 million a season it will be a free agent starter like Felix (someday) or Kemp.

    2. Cliff Lee may have had a history of back problems, but he pitched the Rangers into the World Series and has not missed significant time over the past few years. He was healthy coming off a great season/post season. Johan is hardly a comparable in that regard.

    3. As for Nunez, I agree with you. He shouldn’t have held up the Cliff Lee deal last year and he shouldn’t hold up any big deal while the Yankees are making trades to upgrade their rotation or everyday lineup. He has no everyday role here with Jeter and Arod locked up and it’s going to be hard for him to get at bats unless they hit the DL. I would deal him for something big in a heartbeat even though I like him a lot too.

    That said, if the Yankees took on Johan (which they won’t) I wouldn’t trade them anything of consequence as you’re relieving the Mets of a huge debt and risk. If a team is willing to take on Johan’s contract before he proves he’s really healthy and effective, the Mets would be lucky to get Ramiro Pena for him straight up.

    —————-

    G –

    Consider the $20 mil in contrast to what the Yankees would pay a pitcher like CJ Wilson (this whole thing started as a suggestion on how to go if the Yankees don’t sign Wilson). If CJ gets, as predicted, a contract in the Lackey/Burnett area you’re looking at 5 years $15 – $17 per.

    So Santana (a year older) would have 2 fewer years on his contract at $3 – $5 mil more per year (if you factor in the 5 mil per year pushed down the road).

    The Mets just picked up $5 mil off of K-Rod’s contract, so let’s get greedy and suggest that they’re willing to pick up $5 mil per year off of Santana’s deal too – that makes the AAV identical to what Wilson would get but still two years shorter.

    Johan pitched nearly 200 innings at a sub 3 ERA last year – and if you really look at the numbers he hasn’t been oft injured. He’s had work done in the offseason to clean things up, and in some cases he’s been shut down at the end of bad seasons to get a head start on that work, but it’s nothing out of the ordinary for pro athletes.

    It’s true that this is a major surgery and that’s why I only even consider it if he’s back at some point this season and shows enough to be healthy and obviously the medicals have to check out.

  101. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    “Hughes changing his curveball to a power curve? bout damn time.”

    And his mechanics, and he said that he hasn’t been the same since the hamstring pull in 2007. All great signs.

  102. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    You’re worried about Jiminez but drool for Santana? I wouldn’t want either without a lot of questions answered.

    ?????-

    Yes because Johan, while he has a bigger contract, would command a lot less in terms of quality players to bring in via trade.

    **************

    I would be a lot more comfortable if the Yanks would kick in a few mid-level prospects so the Mets would pick up some of the salary, like what they’ve done with K-Rod

  103. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    G. Love

    I would have gladly traded Nunez, but not Montero (as I have said to the point where I know people are sick of hearing it. :D ).

  104. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Shame Spencer July 13th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    GB – Very true but he never said it was his reason for not showing up to the ASG, a narrative which has been perpetuated to the nth degree..

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    When did Jeter make the decision not to go? It was well before Sunday, so, it shouldn’t have come as a shock.

  105. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    Nunez may be a utility player with the Yankees, but if a team wants a major league ready shortstop, that’s what they are paying for.

    ——————-

    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion of Nunez, but right now all he’s shown himself to be is a nice utility player with defensive issues and only one strong campaign in the high minors.

    That said, he would likely step in for Jose Reyes if he leaves though more likely the trade of Johan, compounded with the dealing of K-Rod should allow the Mets to keep Reyes – which means the Yankees might not have to include Nunez. They could probably offer Noesi and either another pitcher or one of their catching prospects like Romine (since Thole has not panned out for the Mets)

  106. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    mets are pond scum
    not a bad idea!

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    Trenton now has Betances preceding Banuelos in post All Star rotation, which makes more sense. But attending means missing Hughes’ start on TV. Not liking that.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for Ubaldo, let alone include Betances.
    ///

    I don’t like missing that Hughes’ start either, but at least that can get DVR’d. If Betances hadn’t roared so loud in his last outing, I would probably have been tempted to skip over & catch him next time around at home.

  108. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Pruf, wouldn’t either. Speaking of power curves, Dellin’s is killah and sits 82-83.

  109. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    When did Jeter make the decision not to go?

    ======================

    Announced on Friday 7/8, I believe.

  110. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    kate, grateful to have missed Kay’s call live. Sound of the crowd trumps Kay. Although I don’t doubt he was excited about the moment. Still, he should have let the crowd tell the story.

  111. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    You’re worried about Jiminez but drool for Santana? I wouldn’t want either without a lot of questions answered.

    ?????-

    Yes because Johan, while he has a bigger contract, would command a lot less in terms of quality players to bring in via trade.

    **************

    I would be a lot more comfortable if the Yanks would kick in a few mid-level prospects so the Mets would pick up some of the salary, like what they’ve done with K-Rod

    ————-

    How about Noesi and Corban Joseph instead of Nunez?

  112. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    People wouldn’t trade Dellin straight for Ubaldo??

    Please be joking.

  113. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I’d rather trade Nova than Noesi, but not for a pitcher that I don’t know is or can remain healthy.

  114. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Sucks that the Yankees have no interest in Beltran. How can they mess up on the same player twice ?

  115. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    On the positive side, Nunez has an above average bat at a position that traditionally lacks pop.

  116. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    “Sucks that the Yankees have no interest in Beltran. How can they mess up on the same player twice ?”

    I think Cash overrates the offensive consistency of this team.

  117. bruceb July 13th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    37 year old Jeter playing a game for the Yankees on a still healing calf is one thing. Flying across the country to play on it in what effectively is an exhbition game would have been sheer stupidity.

    The whole thing is disingenuous as ever. Lot of dumb people peddling to dumber.

    I’m sorry, this is not only insulting but it just isn’t true. If Jeter was fit enough to come off the disabled list on July 4th and play five games for the Yankees, going 5 for 5 in one of them, then he was certainly fit enough to travel to Phoenix and play an inning or two of the ASG. You can’t just look at it through pinstriped-tinted glasses. Jeter is and always has been a great ambassador for the game. I’m sure he had his reasons for not attending – health was probably one of them – but you can’t have it both ways.

  118. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    I’d rather trade Nova than Noesi, but not for a pitcher that I don’t know is or can remain healthy.

    —————

    Rich,

    You never know if a player is going to stay healthy – Yankees could sign CJ Wilson to a 5 year $88 mil contract and watch him make as many starts over the course of that contract as Carl Pavano.

    I don’t mind dealing the minor leaguer from a position of depth and paying a few dollars more if I can cut years off the deal.

    If the medicals are clear on Johan then give me 3 years at big money over 5 years at big money for a player of similar age any day.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
    Pruf, wouldn’t either. Speaking of power curves, Dellin’s is killah and sits 82-83.
    ///

    No question. Now, we just need to see the command of the fb that he was so much more consistent with last season to go with it. As the innings accumulate, that will take care of itself I expect.

  120. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    All the Mets get for Rodriguez are two unknowns from a weak farm system and a $5 mil break. Not a lot.

  121. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    How about Noesi and Corban Joseph instead of Nunez?
    ********

    I understand that you’ve gotta give to get in a trade – but I think the Yankees actually value Noesi too much to include him in a trade like this. Johan could be great, but that’s a big if. Right now, it’s a very high risk/ high reward situation

    To be honest, the more I think about Johan, the less I want to even entertain the idea

  122. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    “Sucks that the Yankees have no interest in Beltran. How can they mess up on the same player twice ?”

    I think Cash overrates the offensive consistency of this team.

    —————

    I think it’s also a question of where he would play Beltran. Jeter’s calf, Alex’s knee and Jorge’s glove basically keep the DH spot filled. You want to bench one of the three outfielders?

  123. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    YF
    Well being there live would have been best of course :) And just letting the crowd noise tell the story would have been nice too. But my point was I was happy it was Kay, a Yankee broadcaster, who was genuinely thrilled, and not some other guy, like Buck.

  124. MaineYankee July 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Fair point. We don’t know for sure Nunez would have been the tipping point for Lee last year, but we do know that is what was leaked/reported as killing the Yankees deal.

    If he were the tipping point, I would have made the deal.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    It might have been like bidding at an auction.

    You reach a point where you don’t want to bid any higher.

  125. blake July 13th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    “People wouldn’t trade Dellin straight for Ubaldo??”

    Yes I would……but it would probably take more than that and you have to draw a line somewhere.

    The Yanks should look strongly into Beltran IMO….don’t know.what he would cost but he’s an instant upgrade the minute he walks through the doors.

  126. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    If a team wants a shortstop named Nunez, I have no problem. Send them Luis Nunez.

  127. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    All the Mets get for Rodriguez are two unknowns from a weak farm system and a $5 mil break. Not a lot.
    *******

    That would be because they burned him for 34(?) out of his 55 saves before that contract kicker makes him the least desireable pitcher in mlb

  128. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    How about Noesi and Corban Joseph instead of Nunez?
    ********

    I understand that you’ve gotta give to get in a trade – but I think the Yankees actually value Noesi too much to include him in a trade like this. Johan could be great, but that’s a big if. Right now, it’s a very high risk/ high reward situation

    To be honest, the more I think about Johan, the less I want to even entertain the idea

    ————-

    I like what Noesi has done – reminds me a little of Ramiro Mendoza and Alfredo Aceves, but with a wealth of RHP I think he can be replaced next season by a David Phelps, Adam Warren, DJ Mitchell, etc…

  129. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Chip

    That’s true of a pitcher that is currently healthy, but it’s even more true of a pitcher that isn’t, to the point where the risk usually outweighs the reward.

    As for Beltran, he’s better than Gardner, Swisher, and Posada, so I don’t think PT should be a problem.

  130. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    think it’s also a question of where he would play Beltran. Jeter’s calf, Alex’s knee and Jorge’s glove basically keep the DH spot filled. You want to bench one of the three outfielders?

    Jeter should never be in the DH spot, or rather should not be an impediment to the DH spot. Beltran would replace Andruw Jones so you play him vs LHP by sitting grandy or gardner and if you want both of them playing he DHs and can spell Swisher vs RHP.

  131. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    This is all well and good, but when is the Motorola Photon 4G actually coming out?

    Is it worth giving up a QWERTY keyboard for all the extra power and speed and other features?

    #betterthanblackberry

  132. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    LGY, have you ever seen Betances pitch? I love Ubaldo but not including Betances in a deal. Cash won’t do that trade either. Take that to the bank.

  133. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Whoops, I meant to post that on the LoHud Smartphone Blog. My bad! :oops:

  134. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “#betterthanblackberry”

    RIM is in freefall.

  135. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Blake, if Beltran comes in, who rides the pines? Posada? Gardner? Swisher?

  136. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
    Chip

    That’s true of a pitcher that is currently healthy, but it’s even more true of a pitcher that isn’t, to the point where the risk usually outweighs the reward.

    As for Beltran, he’s better than Gardner, Swisher, and Posada, so I don’t think PT should be a problem.

    —————

    Well again – that’s why he has to come back this year and the Mets have to allow the Yankees’ medical staff to check him out before a trade is consumated.

    I don’t disagree with you on your evaluation of Gardner, Swish and Posada – but benching any one of those guys is going to cause waves through the clubhouse – the offensive upgrade isn’t (I think) worth the headaches.

  137. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    All the Mets get for Rodriguez are two unknowns from a weak farm system and a $5 mil break. Not a lot.

    ===================================

    He hasn’t been worth a lot though. Get’s rid of the headache that might have ensued once they started doing everything possible to see to it he didn’t finish 55.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    bruceb July 13th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
    37 year old Jeter playing a game for the Yankees on a still healing calf is one thing. Flying across the country to play on it in what effectively is an exhbition game would have been sheer stupidity.

    The whole thing is disingenuous as ever. Lot of dumb people peddling to dumber.

    I’m sorry, this is not only insulting but it just isn’t true. If Jeter was fit enough to come off the disabled list on July 4th and play five games for the Yankees, going 5 for 5 in one of them, then he was certainly fit enough to travel to Phoenix and play an inning or two of the ASG. You can’t just look at it through pinstriped-tinted glasses. Jeter is and always has been a great ambassador for the game. I’m sure he had his reasons for not attending – health was probably one of them – but you can’t have it both ways.
    ////

    yea insulting alright, to Jeter to have to listen to these idiots grasping at straws to take another gratuitous shot at him.

    Some people have too much time on their hands.

  139. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Not including Betances in a potential trade for Ubaldo Jimenez is the very definition of prospect hugging

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
    LGY, have you ever seen Betances pitch? I love Ubaldo but not including Betances in a deal. Cash won’t do that trade either. Take that to the bank.

    ///
    LOL. Guy’s ETA is 2012. Not soon enough, I guess.

    “NOW!” :/stampsfeet

  141. pat July 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Miller and now Modell have found a “Jeter Loophole”.

    Put the money to Lopez’s tax bill instead of an unwelcome congratulatory ad to Derek and probably get more public awareness from it.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ezs-behalf

  142. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Cashman would trade Dellin or Manny for Ubaldo faster than Prufrock’s head would spin.

    The prospect hugging of those two have reached epic proportions.

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    Not including Betances in a potential trade for Ubaldo Jimenez is the very definition of prospect hugging
    ////

    So, you think throwing around this derisive term makes you sound savvy?

    The kid’s ETA is 2012. He’s not some guy whose light years away. Go see him pitch & get back to us.

  144. luis July 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Chip,

    now i understand, i thought you were analizing a santana trade on it`s merits alone, since it is a comparison with a posible adquisition of CJ Wilson, you have a point and in theory makes financial sense. But still i wouldn`t do it

  145. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    heyman, no it isn’t. It is a matter of having scouted and knowing how good the prospect is. A prospect hugger is someone who wouldn’t trade prospects on principle and arbitrarily lumps them together. There are few untouchables in our system, but Betances is one of them.

  146. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    Not including Betances in a potential trade for Ubaldo Jimenez is the very definition of prospect hugging

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Maybe, but, there are some prospects that you hug tighter than others and Montero, Betaances and Banuelos are 3 of those that you put a boa constrictor hug on.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Go back to pimping for Brett Gardner, why don’t you. Or how about you go actually see Betances pitch.

  148. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    “I don’t disagree with you on your evaluation of Gardner, Swish and Posada – but benching any one of those guys is going to cause waves through the clubhouse – the offensive upgrade isn’t (I think) worth the headaches.”

    Chip

    Winning trumps all, or at least it should.

    Speaking of benching, Davidoff says that Girardi only batted Posada 9th once because he was afraid to do it again. I have no idea if that’s true, but Ken is a level-headed guy and a good reporter.

    If that’s the case, you’re probably right that the unwillingness to make waves could impact their thought process in making acquisitions.

  149. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    Cashman would trade Dellin or Manny for Ubaldo faster than Prufrock’s head would spin.

    The prospect hugging of those two have reached epic proportions.

    ————–

    actually it has reached the Joba/Hughes proportions.

  150. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    jimbaumbach Clemens, in his deposition, says McNamee gave Debbie HGH in 2003. But Hardin said today Debbie will testify it happened in 2000. #clemens

  151. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    “jimbaumbach Clemens, in his deposition, says McNamee gave Debbie HGH in 2003. But Hardin said today Debbie will testify it happened in 2000. #clemens”

    No bias there.

  152. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    “I don’t disagree with you on your evaluation of Gardner, Swish and Posada – but benching any one of those guys is going to cause waves through the clubhouse – the offensive upgrade isn’t (I think) worth the headaches.”

    Chip

    Winning trumps all, or at least it should.

    Speaking of benching, Davidoff says that Girardi only batted Posada 9th once because he was afraid to do it again. I have no idea if that’s true, but Ken is a level-headed guy and a good reporter.

    If that’s the case, you’re probably right that the unwillingness to make waves could impact their thought process in making acquisitions.

    —————-

    Right – winning trumps everything for us, but these guys have to deal with players on a lot of levels and benching Posada especially would be a huge problem for Girardi to deal with.

    Plus, the price on Beltran would likely be much higher than what the Brewers paid for K-Rod. Rodriguez’s value is low because the Brewers can’t use him as a closer without risking a huge expenditure of money.

  153. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    So, you think throwing around this derisive term makes you sound savvy?

    The kid?s ETA is 2012. He?s not some guy whose light years away. Go see him pitch & get back to us.
    **********

    No, but I think it makes me sound as if I’m stating facts. He could be the greatest AA pitcher in the world and he wouldn’t have Jiminez’ track record. No one’s saying he doesn’t have potential, but at this point Jimenez is the more sure thing – and his more than reasonable contract makes him valuable even if he doesn’t reach “ace” status

  154. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    By the way – if it matters to you – if the idea is trade for Beltran, offer him arbitration and get a couple of draft picks when he signs somewhere else next year – you should know that Beltran’s contract stipulates that he cannot be offered arbitration after the final year.

  155. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    Sucks that the Yankees have no interest in Beltran. How can they mess up on the same player twice ?
    ___
    +1

  156. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    “Go back to pimping for Brett Gardner, why don’t you.”

    Good one! Not very helpful in elevating the tone of discourse, but getting down into the dirt does make for a livelier conversation.

    As for prospect hugging, who wouldn’t hug Little Dante?

  157. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Chip

    He has a clause in his contract that precludes offering him arb.

  158. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Not everyone thinks that NY should trade a farm team for Santana or that they should pay more in cash for a question mark than it would cost for 3 years of Prince Fielder.

    Don’t misunderstand me, though. I certainly wasn’t referring to you.

  159. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Chip,

    I agree that I’d rather have Johan than CJ Wilson even with the injury concerns for Johan.

    That said, I don’t see the Yankees seriously bringing CJ Wilson in for big dollars. It just doesn’t make sense. He doesn’t feel NY Yankees to me and comes off as an AL West/NL West type.

    The Yankees wouldn’t blow that salary slot on Wilson in my opinion. I think they’ll re-up CC, stick with AJ, put Nova, Hughes, Noesi in the mix and wait to see what Betances/Banuelos turn into before dropping the kind of coin it would take to sign CJ Wilson. I realize it sounds like I think he’s garbage, but I don’t equate CJ Wilson with top of the rotation dollars.

    With Hamels and Felix getting closer to free agency, I see the Yankees waiting patiently to get one of them for dollars only.

    I don’t think Felix will re-up with Seattle and I do think he’ll sign here when he’s free.

    I don’t see CJ Wilson in the Yankees plans unless CC opts out and walks (God Forbid).

  160. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    jimbaumbach The reading of Clemens’ deposition, with FBI agent John Longmire playing role of Clemens, continues. This feels like an off-Broadway play.

  161. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    By the way – if it matters to you – if the idea is trade for Beltran, offer him arbitration and get a couple of draft picks when he signs somewhere else next year – you should know that Beltran’s contract stipulates that he cannot be offered arbitration after the final year.

    I would try to keep Beltran on a 2 year deal and trade Swisher

  162. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    How do you know I haven’t already seen Dellin pitch?

  163. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Everyone saw him pitch in spring training.

  164. Warning Track Power July 13th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    I keeping reading that Beltran will be traded to the Giants very, very soon.
    Giants saw him in person over the weekend and were sold.

  165. Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “jimbaumbach The reading of Clemens’ deposition, with FBI agent John Longmire playing role of Clemens, continues. This feels like an off-Broadway play.”

    With “Rocket Man” being played in the background. Oh wait, that would make it a musical.

  166. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Dellin isn’t throwing some kind of hypnosis ball is he? So if you see him pitch in person the spin on his curveball brainwashes you.

  167. Bronx Jeers July 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Miller and now Modell have found a “Jeter Loophole”.

    ————————————————————————————————

    I’m waiting for Jeter’s lawyers to jump in and demand their cut. :wink:

  168. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    ?jimbaumbach The reading of Clemens’ deposition, with FBI agent John Longmire playing role of Clemens, continues. This feels like an off-Broadway play.?

    With ?Rocket Man? being played in the background. Oh wait, that would make it a musical.

    **********************

    :lol:

  169. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    Chip

    He has a clause in his contract that precludes offering him arb.

    —————-

    Right.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    So, you think throwing around this derisive term makes you sound savvy?

    The kid?s ETA is 2012. He?s not some guy whose light years away. Go see him pitch & get back to us.
    **********

    No, but I think it makes me sound as if I’m stating facts. He could be the greatest AA pitcher in the world and he wouldn’t have Jiminez’ track record. No one’s saying he doesn’t have potential, but at this point Jimenez is the more sure thing – and his more than reasonable contract makes him valuable even if he doesn’t reach “ace” status
    ///

    Just to clarify: Betances is not “a AA pitcher.” He’s a pitcher in AA at the moment. I would trade other pieces in the system for Jimenez, were he available, but Betances isn’t one of them.

  171. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I keeping reading that Beltran will be traded to the Giants very, very soon.

    As long as he doesnt go to the sox.

  172. Yank 97 July 13th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    “I think Cash overrates the offensive consistency of this team.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

  173. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    G. Love –

    That’s not an unreasonable course of action you’re suggesting.

    That said, I don’t think Cashman is going to look at the way the first half of this season has played out with the rotation and think that it’s a plan of action he can go with each year.

  174. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Rich in NJ July 13th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
    “#betterthanblackberry”

    RIM is in freefall.
    ___
    Was that a gratuitous RIM shot?

  175. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    How do you know I haven’t already seen Dellin pitch?
    ///

    where & when? :D

  176. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Just to clarify: Betances is not ?a AA pitcher.? He?s a pitcher in AA at the moment. I would trade other pieces in the system for Jimenez, were he available, but Betances isn?t one of them.
    ************

    AA pitcher wasn’t meant as some derisive term, just a fact of where he’s at. Plenty of pitchers make their most important strides in AA, and lots skip AAA altogether – that’s not the point.

    Its perfectly understandable to disagree or say you’d prefer to keep him out of a deal. But would Betances REALLY be a deal breaker in bringing Jimenez to the Yanks? I mean c’mon

    Still no idea what the Brett Gardner comment was about…

  177. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Have you seen Ubaldo Jimenez?

  178. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Warren and Phelps or Mitchell, Adams or Joseph and Romine would be more than enough if they added Stewart with Jiminez. Stewart’s rotting away at Steamboat Springs.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    :roll:

    nice try.

  180. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    Not everyone thinks that NY should trade a farm team for Santana or that they should pay more in cash for a question mark than it would cost for 3 years of Prince Fielder.

    ————-

    I do enjoy your ability to blow statements out of proportion.

    Hector Noesi and Eduardo Nunez or Corban Joseph – yup…giving away all the prized jewels of the farm system right there.

  181. G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Chip,

    Agreed. I actually think Cashman is laying in the weeds waiting for a team to put a top of the rotation starter on the market and he’s going to pounce. I don’t think it’s Johan unless Johan comes back this year and pitches very well in the starts he makes for the Mets.

    Some team will buckle and offer up that kind of a pitcher soon-ish.

    If that Ubaldo rumor has any teeth to it, I think the Yankees will be in on him and look closely at his medicals.

  182. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Betances is a dealbreaker. They surely would take someone else, especially if they underrate Betances as much as the people here do. ;)

  183. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Would the upcoming Motorola Photon be analagous to Betances and Banuelos? Unproven in the big leagues but worth the wait and the gamble?

    Or will it be a Brackman phone, looking big and powerful but unable to perform to expectations?

    I don’t want a Brackman phone. :mad:

  184. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Warren and Phelps or Mitchell, Adams or Joseph and Romine would be more than enough if they added Stewart with Jiminez.

    ========================

    Might be enough for some Yankees fans. Probably won’t be enough for Colorado.

  185. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Betances is a dealbreaker. They surely would take someone else, especially if they underrate Betances as much as the people here do.
    **********

    You wouldn’t do a Betances for Ubaldo straight swap?

  186. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    Warren and Phelps or Mitchell, Adams or Joseph and Romine would be more than enough if they added Stewart with Jiminez. Stewart’s rotting away at Steamboat Springs.

    —————

    You do realize that other teams may not be as in love with Yankee prospects as you are right?

    Warren, Adams and Montero weren’t enough for the M’s to part with Cliff Lee, who is older and was a half season away from Free Agency. But you think that combination (including Adams who is rehabbing from injury) is going to be able to get you a younger pitcher who is still under contract for quite some time?

    Yeah – and I’m the one with fantasy trades.

  187. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    If NYYs had to eat $75 mil worth of gamble, Luis Nunez and Sean Black is what they’d get.

  188. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Might be enough for some Yankees fans. Probably won?t be enough for Colorado.

    ***********

    That would be enough for Colorado…if they thought his velocity drop was tied to some sort of mystery injury

  189. Jerkface July 13th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    They surely would take someone else, especially if they underrate Betances as much as the people here do.

    Who is underrating him to say he is worth being traded straight up for UBALDO JIMENEZ?

  190. West Coast Yankee Fan July 13th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Trading for Beltran = dumb
    Trading away Nunez = dumb

    Trading for a loogy = smart
    Trading for a number two starter = smart

  191. Yank 97 July 13th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    “Warren and Phelps or Mitchell, Adams or Joseph and Romine would be more than enough if they added Stewart with Jiminez”

    Wow.

    i guess Verlander in 08, Hamels in 09, Shields in 2010, Haren the first half of 2010, etc. taught people nothing.

  192. upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I wouldn’t mind hugging some prospects…or some actual Yankees for that matter

  193. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    If Colorado is serious about dealing Jiminez, something’s up because it isn’t payroll.

  194. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    G. Love July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Chip,

    Agreed. I actually think Cashman is laying in the weeds waiting for a team to put a top of the rotation starter on the market and he’s going to pounce. I don’t think it’s Johan unless Johan comes back this year and pitches very well in the starts he makes for the Mets.

    Some team will buckle and offer up that kind of a pitcher soon-ish.

    If that Ubaldo rumor has any teeth to it, I think the Yankees will be in on him and look closely at his medicals.

    ———-

    G -

    any suggestion I made regarding Santana was prefaced with the notion that he would have to come back this season, pitch well and prove himself healthy. I’m not getting that contract over here on spec.

    But we’ve all seen enough long contracts go bad to know that even if a guy looks clean that’s no guarantee that he’s going to stay healthy – so if I’m giving out similar money I would rather do it for fewer years.

    Re Ubaldo – I said it earlier, when a team puts a pitcher like that on the market with no obvious reason to do so I tend to be wary.

    There are only a few reasons you put a top of the rotation starter on the market:

    1. You can’t pay him
    2. You’re a bad team and need to stockpile young players to rebuild
    3. You’re worried about his health

    1 and 2 don’t apply to this situation which leaves me with 3.

  195. Erin July 13th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
    Would the upcoming Motorola Photon be analagous to Betances and Banuelos? Unproven in the big leagues but worth the wait and the gamble?

    Or will it be a Brackman phone, looking big and powerful but unable to perform to expectations?

    I don?t want a Brackman phone.

    ******************************

    I nominate this for Best Post of the Day. :)

  196. Mell July 13th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Trading for a loogy = smart
    Trading for a number two starter = smart

    ================================

    True, but market for both sucks, or in the case of a #2 starter, just plain invisible….unless the Rox are seriously discussing moving Jiminez, which I kind of doubt.

  197. GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    upstate kate July 13th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    I wouldn’t mind hugging some prospects…or some actual Yankees for that matter

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Prospect huggers need hugs too.

  198. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 13th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    If NYYs had to eat $75 mil worth of gamble, Luis Nunez and Sean Black is what they’d get.

    ——————

    But those are Yankee farm hands too – they could be future hall of famers – just like Rene Rivera!

  199. Eroc July 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Since the end of May, Jiminez has a 2.55 ERA with 50 Ks and 11 walks in 53.1 innings.

  200. LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Prufrock,

    I’ve gone to Trenton Thunder games a couple of times a season for the past 15 or so years. I have seen Betances pitch and as Jerkface pointed out I saw him in ST as well.

    And tbh I really could not care less that I saw him in person. I have never seen Manny pitch in a non ST game and I would trade him for Ubaldo in a heartbeat.

    Seeing Betances live means nothing. The last report we got out of Trenton from the scouts in the stands on here said Hughes was snapping off nasty sharp curveballs. A couple weeks later Hughes is dumping his curveball for a new one because it isn’t an effective pitch.

  201. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Joba62: “Laughter in seeing you trying to make an astute baseball point = priceless”

  202. Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    General rule of thumb folks – a guy who dominates major leaguers is better to have on your team than a guy who dominates minor leaguers.

  203. Nick in SF July 13th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    “I nominate this for Best Post of the Day.”

    Thank you, but I think it’s disqualified for misspelling ‘analogous’. :cry:

    :arrow:

  204. BoJo July 13th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Chip July 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    General rule of thumb folks – a guy who dominates major leaguers is better to have on your team than a guy who dominates minor leaguers.
    _____
    Unless his performance is on a downswing and he will soon be passed by the prospect.

  205. yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    First of all, the Rockies wouldn’t take just Betances. Second, they would want to fill multiple holes, so they would want a haul. Third, the Rockies are not going to trade Ubaldo with that team friendly contract. Fourth, I would be concerned about his velo drop off and high BB rates. Fifth, Betances is potentially @a year away from the majors as an SP, and on the 40 man, so likely to perhaps get some RP work in September.

  206. J. Alfred Prufrock July 13th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    LGY July 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    Prufrock,

    I’ve gone to Trenton Thunder games a couple of times a season for the past 15 or so years. I have seen Betances pitch and as Jerkface pointed out I saw him in ST as well.

    And tbh I really could not care less that I saw him in person. I have never seen Manny pitch in a non ST game and I would trade him for Ubaldo in a heartbeat.

    Seeing Betances live means nothing. The last report we got out of Trenton from the scouts in the stands on here said Hughes was snapping off nasty sharp curveballs. A couple weeks later Hughes is dumping his curveball for a new one because it isn’t an effective pitch.
    ///

    and, and, and,…..

    If you want to rely on scouts rather than seeing for yourself, on Hughes or Betances, that is your misfortune. It seems “seeing him live” means you’re not at the mercy of “scouts”, doesn’t it?

  207. heyman_sux July 13th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    yankeefeminista July 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    First of all, the Rockies wouldn?t take just Betances. Second, they would want to fill multiple holes, so they would want a haul. Third, the Rockies are not going to trade Ubaldo with that team friendly contract. Fourth, I would be concerned about his velo drop off and high BB rates. Fifth, Betances is potentially @a year away from the majors as an SP, and on the 40 man, so likely to perhaps get some RP work in September.
    ***************

    I understand and actually agree with each of these points but Ubaldo is the kind of pitcher that you trade for, despite those issues (besides #4 – obviously that would be worrisome). My point was that Betances should not be the deal breaker here as his ceiling is at best to eventually become a pitcher of Jimenez’ caliber.


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