Back from the break, Colon falls apart
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 14, 2011 
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Some of it was bad luck and some of it was bad pitching, but when Bartolo Colon failed to pitch out of the first inning tonight, the Yankees were on their way to a deflating 16-7 loss in their first game after the all-star break. Colon got only two outs. He allowed eight runs (three of them earned) and six hits (half of them infield singles and a missed diving catch in left). Eduardo Nunez’s error, Luis Ayala’s balk and a few close calls by home plate umpire Angel Hernandez certainly didn’t help. The Yankees kept it interesting for a while because of Andruw Jones’ two home runs, but the bullpen followed Colon’s lead and allowed seven runs in the final three innings. Colon has now stumbled in two straight starts, allowing a total of 16 hits and six walks while striking out only one in his past 6.1 innings.
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Here’s what I want to here: “My name is Joe Girardi, and I am addicted to Sergio Mitre.”
I strongly believe that Tex will go 1-5, 1-4 every game for the rest of the season. I dont think he will finish the season with a BA higher than 260. I know I’m being a negative nelly now, but he’s too talented for this BS. I’m tired of the excuses about he doesn’t have protection..blah blah blah
I hope the team sends Colon for an MRI tomorrow. His leg isn’t 100% yet and I am sure the team knows it. His pitches have nothing on them the last 2 starts.
Yeah Tex is honestly brutal Benny. He does not impress me at all. The homers come in bunches, and that’s about it. Scary how much better Gonzalez is.
Agree about Tex. Defense is great, but can’t deal with a #3 hitter batting .240. He’s more a 5-6 hitter in the lineup.
Actually the more I think about Mitre the funnier it is. He has pitched well on previous stints with the team but he is not consistent, TJS or not he has had plenty of time to recover from that and show that he can be productive.
The Yankees as a team have seen plenty of this guy to know what he’s got. Like a prize fighter who can’t defend himself any longer, the Yankees just keep coming back for more blows to the head from Sergio.
Mitre would be a good fit possibly for the Padres, Pirates, Mariners, Astros or Royals, not The Yankees though.
But the media talks about Jeter like he’s useless, and A-Rod’s declining power numbers, but Tex is paid to carry the team. He’s not capable.
Isn’t anyone upset that Jeter didn’t go to the ASG?!?!?!
Tex’s defense saves runs. But he needs to step it up offensively, especially with A-rod out for a few weeks. I think his 25 homeruns are what’s keeping people from looking at his BA.
It seems like the last couple of years of Tex’s contract is going to be awful. He is turning into Carlos Pena. I would like to see him and Cano switch spots in the lineup once Arod comes back. Tex walks more than Cano but Cano is a better contact hitter. Tex is a homerun or he pulls the ball into the shift for an out.
While Mitre stinks, this game slipped away on Noesi and Logan’s watch. It was over by the time Mitre was called to the hill.
Isn’t anyone upset that Jeter didn’t go to the ASG?!?!?
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Damn right. In fact, I put tonight’s loss squarely on the fact that Jeter missed the ASG.
Noesi kept them in the game so that they even had a chance to win.
Mitre is a sinkerball pitcher who needs work to be effective. They’ll either figure out how to get him on track or replace him. Big deal. I’ll trust Girardi and Rothschild to figure it out one way or another.
I thinknit started to he over when Nunez started at third. ??
Mell July 14th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Isn’t anyone upset that Jeter didn’t go to the ASG?!?!?
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Damn right. In fact, I put tonight’s loss squarely on the fact that Jeter missed the ASG
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BINGO! Can’t see why no one else got that…
Pitching aside, our defense killed us. I don’t even know how many runs they scored after or due to the errors. But it was a lot.
The argument for Tex in the 3 hole has always been his OBP.
But his OBP is barely better than Cano’s now.
Just think – I’d they had a good pitcher tonight, they would’ve won 7-3 probably. Tomorrow is another game thankfully. I hope to get this bad loss taste out of my mouth by then.
Girardi seems unsure that Colon is physically ok.
Yankees have approx. 2 starts each from Colon and Hughes before the TD and decision time.
One of Bartolo or Hughes needs to find their form again otherwise Cashman will definitely need to bring a #2/3 type starter.
I hope one or both of them pull it together so that isn’t mandatory because it will cost.
Same story with Soriano. A couple of weeks to evaluate.
They = Yankees
They may not be able to find a #2 even if they wanted to.
It’s better to lose than to overpay.
Ubaldo Jimenez. Wonder what he’d cost? Lost 3 moh on his fastball. Permanent? Or over use from last year?
Noesi kept them in the game so that they even had a chance to win.
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Pitched 3 good innings. Maybe he tired from there, but I’m not putting his runs on Logan.
I love when Girardi makes excuses for Nunez. Is he going to be a backup player that makes 30 errors in limited playing time?
Pitched 3 good innings. Maybe he tired from there, but I’m not putting his runs on Logan.
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He gave up 2 singles and didnt get a chance to get out of it. Logan got put in to face righties.
BTW I was hoping to find a “Yanks kick Meathead to the curb” post on MLBTR after the game but nope.
but I’m not putting his runs on Logan.
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Put them on Girardi.
Rich-
Let’s just hope that one or both of them pull it together otherwise I think we see it.
The Yankees are not gonna let there season go up in smoke.
I agree that it would be costly so I hope it doesn’t go down that way.
Noesi tired. Logan useless. Mitre dog poop. The end.
I’m not putting any of those runs on Noesi…he pitched excellent and restored order. I really like him.
Dang, I got back a lot later than I expected so don’t know if Big Al will get to see this. If not, I will definitely respond to him next time he’s on.
“I generally agree with the majority of your posts, not not the one on Clemens. The government was warned not to breach certain subjects, and they failed to listen ‘to the judges order, thus the mistrial. As someone that has deep feelings concerning the law, you should understand decision.”
Big Al, I had no difficulty with the judge declaring a mistrial. All I was trying to point out that since a mistrial isn’t a final determination of law but rather a determination based on some procedural error, there is no way that jeopardy should attach.
“I disagrre that McNamee will bring a defamation of charactor suit against Clemens, first he lacks any character, and his rape of the Florida women would most likely be allowed in that trial, although the judge in Clemens trial would not allow it to come in, believing it to be too detrimental to McNamee’s testimony.”
Big Al, the suit is already filed. Clemens failed to get it thrown out of court. They’re just waiting for the federal suit to be tried first. Interestingly enough, Clemens attempted to bring a defamation suit against McNamee but that suit was thrown out by the court.
He gave up 2 singles and didnt get a chance to get out of it. Logan got put in to face righties
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He got put in to face Lind. He was left in to face righties. Wade still on the team?
MTU
Getting a #2 guarantees nothing unless other players start performing. They need more from Tex, they need a ton more from Martin, they need far more from Jeter v. RHP, etc… So the season could still go up in smoke, and so could some of the future. With a team with key players aging, that would be unacceptably short-sighted.
Depending on if Nova is on rotation, it may be a good idea to have him with the team on Colon’s next start. This could be just a rocky patch or really a much bigger issue. It’s hard to say right now, mixed in Colon’s start was a lot of bad luck, along with uninspiring pitching.
Nova lost tonight too.
Beltran would have the 3rd highest BA, highest OBP, and 4th highest SLG on this team. He would be one of the top 3 hitters on this team.
It’s a shame the Yankees reportedly have no interest in him.
Colon says he still feels the hamstring a little bit.
The Yankees signed this guy today:
http://www.tampabay.com/multim.....75684c.jpg
“Isn’t anyone upset that Jeter didn’t go to the ASG?!?!?!”
Not until he used Bud as a character witness and now I’m forced to rethink my position because of that.
As some have already said, I’d rather get Beltran than another starter. Our hitters seem to take early mental vacation during play-offs and we need a bat like Beltran to produce. Berkman was a good pick up last year and one of the few to hit…we need to replace that.
Rich-
Pitching is the coin of the realm.
When Colon was healthy and pitching well it wasn’t that much of problem because Nova could always backfill for Hughes.
But if the 2 of them are not found to be effective (I hope not) that’s an entirely different story.
The Yankees will have to fix there rotation first and foremost.
There are other issues but that takes priority.
If Soriano can’t cut it that is another big issue.
The Yankees are not gonna sit on their hands IMO. Not their way.
Just hope that one of Hughes/Colon shows enough in their next 2 starts, and that Soriano does too.
If not Cashman is going be burnin’ up the lines and guys are gonna get moved.
I see The All-Star break did wonders for the level of intelligence here ????
7 ip, 3 er, 1 bb, 5 so. Lost 4-2
MTU
I think balance is the coin of the realm. They aren’t getting it.
Rich-
I agree that balance is needed but it starts with enough pitching.
In the scenario I posed to you they won’t have enough w/o an outside addition IMO.
They may need to add a bat too but they might have the answer in-house for that.
It’s hard to believe that after this . . .
Colon in two starts, 16 hits and six walks with 1 K in 6.1 innings.
. . . some are still babbling about Beltran. An outfielder we don’t need.
‘Mitre is a sinkerball pitcher who needs work to be effective’.
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I guess they signed the wrong guy then. For the most part ‘long men’ in the pen don’t get regular work.
MTU
When a team decides that they must have a player at a given position in a down market it makes it more likely that they will overpay, perhaps vastly so. IMO, that would be a very bad strategy because they aren’t one players away unless some of the question marks I listed above are answered affirmatively, and right now, we don’t have compelling evidence that will happen.
So rather than make mistakes that could cost them for years, why not rely on all in-house solutions: Montero, Nova, Noesi, etc. unless something falls into their laps at a reasonable price.
Maybe Colon needs another ‘plasma whatever’ injection to freshen up.
“It’s hard to believe that after this . . .
Colon in two starts, 16 hits and six walks with 1 K in 6.1 innings.
. . . some are still babbling about Beltran. An outfielder we don’t need.”
Unless you have some inside info that two starts trumps April-June, who’s babbling?
“Mitre is a sinkerball pitcher who needs work to be effective.”
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What a load of crap.
I’m still not understanding what Beltran has to do with acquiring a starter???
Brian Cashman is allowed to make more than one trade at the deadline.
Rich in NJ July 14th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
“It’s hard to believe that after this . . .Colon in two starts, 16 hits and six walks with 1 K in 6.1 innings. . . some are still babbling about Beltran. An outfielder we don’t need.” Unless you have some inside info that two starts trumps April-June, who’s babbling?
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Learn the game.
Colon says he still feels the hamstring a little bit.
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He has to go back on the DL and call up Nova to make his next start. They can’t keep sending this guy out there at 60-70% or whatever he is. He obviously needs more time to recover.
Rich, did Colon said he still “feels” the hamstring or that he is nervous, (i.e, still tentative) about it? My understanding was that it was the latter.
PLEASE DFA this piece of garbage Mitre.
“Learn the game.”
Learn about sample size. You’re so fatuous it’s funny.
yf
He said he still feels the hamstring.
Reading some of the discussion from earlier today.
Does Braun count as a young hitter? He’s 27…
Unless Colon turns it around, the Yankees must pin their hopes on Hughes and AJ pitching like a # 2 and # 3 and hope Garcia can continue to get away with a 87 mph FB.
Cashman needs to make a move before the trading deadline.
Nunez bat may compensate for his poor defense at SS where offense is rare, but he does not hit well enough to play below replacement level defense at 3B, and Penas below replacement level offense does not cut it either. Chavez needs to be back sooner rather than later.
Beltran is going to the Giants or someone who needs him. A starting outfielder is not a need we have. Who are you going to sit ? Swisher who is on a pace for 20 home runs and 100 RBI’s and a .370 OBP?
Our starting rotation is the problem.
Rich-
I hear you but the TD is most often the time that something like that happens. After that waivers come into play.
Nova and Noesi are not gonna cut it under the scenario I posed to you.
They would be losing #2/3 production and replacing it with 4/5.
Not good enough IMO.
Martin could share time with Montero. They get a bat too. Tex is a 2nd half guy.
Like I said before I hope it doesn’t come to that.
I like our young talent too.
Rich in NJ July 14th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Learn about sample size. You’re so fatuous it’s funny.
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If you think my assessment of Colon and the rotation is based ONLY on his last two games you are wrong. But I said a long time ago that betting on an overweight, injury prone older pitcher like Colon in October was and is a stupid bet.
OPS+ (before tonight)
Beltran 144
Swisher 112
Gardner 101
Posada 93
Jones 71
Our starting rotation is the problem.
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That still doesn’t mean other moves can’t be made at the deadline. Beltran AND a starter would be awesome.
Question for you. Let’s say the Yankees cannot improve their rotation at the deadline.
Would it be wise to improve other parts of the team to compensate?
After Sabathia you have one big crap shoot that everyone knows should not be depended upon in October to shut anyone down. It’s a bad bet to make if you want to win a world championship.
A good fit for the offense starved Giants.
Carlos Beltran:
‘Friday, he strongly hinted he’d pooh-pooh the no-trade clause to approve a deal to the Giants.
“I have made it clear to the organization that the only way I’d accept a deal is if it’s to a team that’s contending,” said Beltran’.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com.
“If you think my assessment of Colon and the rotation is based ONLY on his last two games you are wrong. But I said a long time ago that betting on an overweight, injury prone older pitcher like Colon in October was and is a stupid bet.”
But for those two starts, Colon has been nothing short of spectacular.
You can’t acquire what isn’t available, and when there is scarcity, the price goes up.
That’s a recipe for a dumb move.
And btw, it’s not like the offense is running on all cylinders with a circular lineup, and one more move makes them a complete team.
Yes and you improve based on need. This isn’t the NFL draft where you take the best athlete on the board.
We need a number two and a loogy and possibly a serviceable utility infielder.
He is also a good fit for the Yankees.
We need a number two and a loogy and possibly a serviceable utility infielde
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These things can be had & more! Theres no trade limit. The number 2 might not even happen. Choate isn’t going to be expensive or they just go with JC Romero.
Yes and you improve based on need. This isn’t the NFL draft where you take the best athlete on the board. We need a number two and a loogy and possibly a serviceable utility infielder
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So you think if they can’t acquire a starter a LOOGY + a utility IF is a better use of resources than Carlos Beltran?
Am I understanding you correctly?
MTU
If this #2/#3 can be had without sacrificing a Betances, Banuleos, Montero, or Romine (because Martin’s poor hitting makes keeping more important, fine. I think that’s unlikely.
Who says no one is available? If that turns out to be the case then we will know then. No one has any clue what calls Cashman is making or receiving. Kuroda is available, maybe Sanchez and Ubaldo. Maybe not.
LGY I am not debating based on your hypothetical detour on what I said. I could not be more clear as to what I believe. We need a number 2 and a loogy and a utility guy. We don’t need Beltran, a starting outfielder. That’s it.
Colon will likely be fine, but he really needs to be more than that because this rotation is very shaky.
Shaky pretty much describes Nunez and that’s being kind – he’s brutal.
Both Swisher and Posada are slumping again. Gardner was slumping as well but hopefully he broke out of it tonight. Additionally Posada has been made a platoon player.
There is plenty of PT available for Beltran.
We have a boat load of talent in the minors and I’m not hugging them all. Montero, Nova, Warren, Romine are all expendable as far as I am concerned for the right return.
Romine isn’t expendable until the know that Montero can catch and/or Martin can hit.
I wonder if Martin is just backing his pitcher on the sign stealing stuff, or if the Jays actually knew.
Swisher is on pace to hit 20+ home runs and 100 RBI’s with a .365 – .370 OBP.
Rich-
I have no idea who might be made available or who the Yankees would be willing to part with.
That remains to be seen. We both know that the Yankees are a win now team. That is clear.
You decide what that means in terms of what they might do and how they might operate.
I have my own take. I don’t see them sitting on their hands. It’s not for me to agree or disagree. That’s their MO.
You can’t have a .240 hitter hitting 3rd………and that’s what Tex is. He’s not the kind of guy that can really carry a team – yes, he can get hot for stretches, but he’s always, at least since he’s been here, used Alex as a crutch. In any case, the 3rd hole is for your best hitter (well, he’s not better than Alex, obviously) generally and Tex is not their best hitter. He can’t be, not with that average. I find that he escapes criticism from the media…….whereas Alex or even Jeter get killed
Oh wait, he thinks Montero is expendable. What’s the point of talking?
Rich, I had serious issues about rushing Colon back after 1 rehab start…….1, that’s it. Why the rush? They rushed Phil, they rushed Colon – the Yankees smack of desperation.
Rich in NJ July 14th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Romine isn’t expendable until the know that Montero can catch and/or Martin can hit.
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Could not disagree more. You have to give up to get and if Cashman gets a deal offered that has to include Romine you do it in a heartbeat.
LGY I am not debating based on your hypothetical detour on what I said. I could not be more clear as to what I believe. We need a number 2 and a loogy and a utility guy. We don’t need Beltran, a starting outfielder. That’s it.
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I’m asking you a question to understand your position.
It’s quite strange to go on and on about crafting a team to win the WS yet you prefer a LOOGY and a utility IF to Carlos Beltran. Utility IF don’t even play in the playoffs!
Your stance is so bizarre that I wanted to make sure I was understanding you correctly.
Ledger_Yankees Martin says guys at second base were relaying signs. Look one way for a fastball, look the other for a slider.
Ledger_Yankees Martin changed the signs later but it was too late.
Ledger_Yankees Martin said the sign-stealing was blatant. But he doesn’t have a problem with it. It is after all why you hide the signs.
Ledger_Yankees Martin said he pieced it together as the game went along. Noticed that the Jays were right on sliders. It was a sign something was up.
MTU
A win now mentality usually results in never winning. If A-Rod and Jeter were 32 and tearing it up, fine. But that’s not the case. This team is at the crossroads, and taking the wrong road can be very costly.
“Could not disagree more. You have to give up to get and if Cashman gets a deal offered that has to include Romine you do it in a heartbeat.”
Right now, they don’t have a bona fide starting catcher.
MTU, Colon is entitled to a few bad games – and I doubt the Yankees thought he was going to keep that up. They need pitching anyway – Phil’s form is a complete unknown. There’s no real reason to expect him to come close to last year’s first half performance, so the problem then is that there is no pitching to be had – and what? They’re going to have to trade good assets for mediocrity. Every year, it’s the same thing.
Betsy
I have no idea what they know about Colon’s physical condition.
The team would be better positioned for the playoffs with Beltran. can’t be argued.
colon gets no safety net he is a 39 year old fat pig. the yanks owe him jack….
they scored 8 runs with 2 outs. rationalize all you want the bleeders. his fastball was 3 to 5 miles slower then early in the season.he cannot field his position because he cannot move. put him on the phantom dl and call up Nova…..
again why is Mitre on the team? there has to be a explanation……….
The sign stealing explains the time when Noesi was in trouble. Martin went to the mound. Then martin dropped every sign down and the pitch was a strike out looking to end the inning.
yep give up a catching prospect you havE cultivated for 3 or 4 years to rent carlos beltran for 45 games.
NO THANK YOU……….
They’d also be better positioned with another starter. And even better positioned with another starter AND carlos beltran. Its not like they are mutually exclusive.
You know who could be worth looking at? Matt Garza. Signed through this year. Not consistently great, but he’s had his moments this year. The strike outs have been pretty consistant too. Not sure what the trade market on him would be like.
yep give up a catching prospect you havE cultivated for 3 or 4 years to rent carlos beltran for 45 games.
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Who said anything about trading Montero or Romine for carlos beltran
Swisher, Posada, Gardner all slumping ? They just had a bunch of days off in a row, perhaps give them a few days back on the field before concluding that they are slumping.
Rich, you’re the one that mentioned it………so why the problem?
Betsy-
All that I was saying was hypothetical at this point.
For all we know one of Colon or Hughes, or both could pull it together in the next couple of outings.
My responses were based on a what if they don’t.
Under that premise they will need to replace #2/3 production and not with mediocrity because pitchers like that are far from mediocre.
To get someone of that caliber it will take quality. That’s all I am saying.
I have no idea if the Yankees will even make the move just that they might need to try.
It just depends on what they see in the next few starts from Bartolo and Phil.
It hope it becomes a moot point.
No way I’m going to trade good prospects for 1/2 a season of a guy who’s doing this on his walk year .
Betsy
I mentioned that Colon said he still feels the hamstring, but I can’t indict the Yankees for their handling of him because I don’t have all the facts.
Rich in NJ July 14th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Right now, they don’t have a bona fide starting catcher.
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You aren’t serious are you?
I missed that Garza is arb eligible next year, never mind. That changes things a little bit.
Swisher, Posada, Gardner all slumping ? They just had a bunch of days off in a row, perhaps give them a few days back on the field before concluding that they are slumping
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July
Swish: .226 .286 .290
Gardner: .200 .273 .267
Posada: .130 .222 .174
If the Blow Jays were relaying signs and Martin knew it, or realized it, how did he not communicate that and turn that into an advantage? How did he not also make it known to the Jays that he knew? Most clubs when called on it will stop doing it. If they don’t you put a hard one in the ribs.
I think Colon came back a little too soon. Maybe it would be in the Yankees best interests to sit him for a turn or two. They can always backdate a DL date if he needs more than that, and having him go out and throw BP isn’t what is needed right now. They could get rid of Meat Tray and call Nova back up for a couple of starts if they want to hold off DLing Colon.
MTU, IMO, the Yankees ought to assume that at best Phil will be servicable and at worst bad…….and that Colon will be good, but not as good as he was in the first half. That means they need pitching, but there is no one out there worth giving up prime prospects for. I do not believe 2/3 starts is enough to make anything a moot point – especially with Hughes. Colon at least has 1/2 a season behind him.
“You aren’t serious are you?”
Since May 1st:
.185 .299 .287 .586
You’re so lost.
hopefully sergio mitre can pitch again tommorrow. can’t wait to see girardi’s boyfriend pitch again. he accuracy and pitch making ability is so exciting.
when he is really on his game he only gives up 1 baseruneer an inning or so. he is a ignitor. he can make any fire larger and do it really quick…does he do Girardi’s laundry or carry his bags on the road? There has to be a reason he is on the team…
LGY July 14th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
It’s quite strange to go on and on about crafting a team to win the WS yet you prefer a LOOGY and a utility IF to Carlos Beltran. Utility IF don’t even play in the playoffs! Your stance is so bizarre that I wanted to make sure I was understanding you correctly.
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You just aren’t bright. I really can’t help you. My stance is not only not bizarre it is absolutely logical.
Rich, Colon said he still feels it? In any case, this is not 20/20 hindsight on my part – I thought they rushed him unnecessarily and still do. Even had Colon not struggled the last 2 times, I still would have felt the same way.
Colon seemed to help push coming back so quick from the DL. If he was feeling some residual from it he shouldn’t have come off the DL. It seems more likely that he had some role in his hasty return.
Yogi Mantle July 14th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
If the Blow Jays were relaying signs and Martin knew it, or realized it, how did he not communicate that and turn that into an advantage? How did he not also make it known to the Jays that he knew? Most clubs when called on it will stop doing it. If they don’t you put a hard one in the ribs.
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Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
Martin said he didn’t change signs until the fourth inning against Hill. Too late by then.
Betsy-
If you are convinced that the Yankees really need good pitching they have the chips to acquire it.
Who might be made available depends on what the Yankees are willing to offer in exchange.
It might look as though no one is being offered but with the right package lot’s of guys might turn up.
I hope they don’t have to consider trading away their better prospects though.
I hope Cashman isn’t reading this. Money is no object to some. Beltran $ 18 mil, Santana (injured) $ 25 mil, another SP $ 10 – 12 mil, LOOGY $ 5 mil give or take. Hey $ 250 mil is a nice round number so what the heck….NOT.
MTU, the two B’s are untouchable unless we’re talking young ace…………who else?
MTU July 14th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Betsy-
If you are convinced that the Yankees really need good pitching they have the chips to acquire it.
Who might be made available depends on what the Yankees are willing to offer in exchange.
It might look as though no one is being offered but with the right package lot’s of guys might turn up.
I hope they don’t have to consider trading away their better prospects though.
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I’m not a believer in this. Cashman gets hard balled on these types of deals all the time. I don’t see any aces becoming available due to any package. Maybe second tier guys with good stuff and mixed results, but no one who us fans will fall over.
Beltran $ 18 mil
LOOGY $ 5 mil
another SP $ 10 – 12 mil
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Beltran will make 8 mil or so to the end of the season
Randy Choate costs about 2 mil
Who is the 20 million dollar pitcher they are apparently trading for?
I’m not a believer in this. Cashman gets hard balled on these types of deals all the time. I don’t see any aces becoming available due to any package. Maybe second tier guys with good stuff and mixed results, but no one who us fans will fall over.
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When is the last time the Yankees traded for a good pitcher midseason? They have had pitching problems every year for the past 10 years and I can’t think of many trade deadline deals they have made for pitchers
The question is Cost with Beltran…..he certainly would be a significant upgrade but what would the Mets want and what would the competition bid?
Supposedly the Mets think they can get a top prospect for Beltran. So from the Yankees they’d probably want one of Montero/Banuelos/Betances.
Betsy-
None of us really knows how the Yankees value their own guys and therefore who migtht be made available.
Judging by Newman’s recent interview they view prospects very differently than some on here.
We might think those guys are untouchable but do the Yankees ?
And that applies to each and every one of their prospects.
What is definitely crystal clear is that the Yankees are a win now team.
You interpret that whatever way you like.
Supposedly the Mets think they can get a top prospect for Beltran. So from the Yankees they’d probably want one of Montero/Banuelos/Betances.
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Thats a little rich. They might ask but I don’t think they are getting a guy on the top 100. Have to see what the Giants offer.
As far as I know, Alderson is still sentient, so I am pretty certain he knows that there is a less than zero chance that he gets Montero, Baneulos, or Betances for Beltran.
I don’t see the Mets getting a top level prospect from anyone and salary relief for Beltran.
Big deal about them stealing signs. If Nunez could actually field the ball Colon gets out of the inning and only gives up 3 runs. The next 2 batters hit 2 little gound balls that Colon couldn’t field. Colon’s location and stuff was awful and then it fell apart from there. It seems like 95% of the errors come from Nunez, Pena or the catchers.
Being a win now team is really to construct a fiction most of the time.
I would not be in favor of trading a top prospect for Beltran, not one of Montero/Banuelos/Betances. Besides, while Beltran would be welcome, I don’t see him improving the team overall all that much. I’d much rather have a 1/2 starting pitcher. But those don’t really seem to be available as of now.
When is the last time the Yankees traded for a good pitcher midseason? They have had pitching problems every year for the past 10 years and I can’t think of many trade deadline deals they have made for pitchers
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Agreed. I think the best case scenario is a pitcher along the AJ Burnett quality. I can’t think of one either that approaches any form of quality. We’d do best to stick with guys like Nova or Noesi at this point.
JF-
Just because we haven’t traded in the past doesn’t mean we didn’t have opportunites.
I cite Haren as an example. They chose not to but they certainly could have.
And he is a difference maker. Maybe the price was too steep. Who knows why they didn’t pull the trigger, or if was the right decision.
jnorris427 Josh Norris
by mashmore98
Cody Johnson headed to Tampa. Zoilo Almonte bumped to Trenton. #Yankees
55 minutes ago
Zoilo’s moving up the ladder. Be interesting to see how that big bat produces in AA.
You just aren’t bright. I really can’t help you. My stance is not only not bizarre it is absolutely logical.
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I’m sure Vineyard Yankee agrees.
“Being a win now team is really to construct a fiction most of the time.”
I have no idea what this means Rich.
Are you saying that is not the Yankee way, or are you saying it’s not possible ?
I don’t see the Mets getting a top level prospect from anyone and salary relief for Beltran
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Alderson’s statements suggest salary relief is not going to be the key component in a possible Beltran trade.
A high and inside fastball when they expect a breaking ball will solve the problem immediately. It only takes one.
Alderson is valuing Beltran as the best bat available, not as a salary dump.
“When is the last time the Yankees traded for a good pitcher midseason?”
David Cone?
MTU
I’m saying that this isn’t the Yankees of a few years ago. A-Rod is out for perhaps 6 weeks and we don’t know what he will be like when he returns. Tex is hitting .243, Martin can’t hit anything, Jeter hasn’t hit RHP in a year and a half, even Mo has shown some fragility.
So they may say that they want to win the WS every single year, but unless most of that reverses, they aren’t winning now.
Time to hit the sack.
Dr. gets a chance to look under the hood in the AM.
Night all.
“Dr. gets a chance to look under the hood in the AM.”
Good luck with that!
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They will do all that they can to try to win. Now and in the future.
They can’t fix everything but they will plug as many holes as they can.
To me that is a win now mentality. It’s the best any team can do.
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Routine check up. Not worried. Thanks.
LGY July 14th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I can speak for myself just fine without your attempted help. I’d appreciate you not trying to cause trouble.
Harry Potter!!
Sucks that the Yankees lost but that’s why they play 162 and not just 1.
At this point if you’re a Pinstripe Pollyanna you’re forced to give Tex a pass and cite his power numbers and try to move the target from him.
If you actually watch the games you’ll see how poor he has been consistently. He hits rock bottom for about a month and then turns into Babe Ruth for about 10 games. There’s no middle ground. There’s zero offensive consistency.
He is Jason Giambi reborn with a better glove. At least we don’t have to hide him at DH because he can’t field his position.
Texeira is turning into the worst kind of power hitter – all or nothing.
That said, tomorrow can be the start of the next streak and he is capable of carrying this team for a few weeks if the Gods decide it’s time for him to get hot.
I don’t see him finishing the season above .260. I actually think he’ll be in the .240′s for the season with a boatload of HR’s and Walks. For some people the HR’s and Walks are enough and the average is meaningless. To me, for 23 million a year you better do more with the bat than keep it on your shoulder or swing for the fences.
His contract will turn into a major albatross if he doesn’t begin to hit for some kind of average befitting his salary.
Believe it or not, he’s actually greasing the skids for Prince or Pujols to be signed as DH. I think the Yankees front office is figuring out he isn’t the next big bat to carry this team into the future. He’s not Bernie, Arod, O’neil, Matsui, etc. He’s late model Giambi with the bat. Boy did that happen fast.
Someone get Montero a 1b glove please.
yankeefeminista July 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
jnorris427 Josh Norris
by mashmore98
Cody Johnson headed to Tampa. Zoilo Almonte bumped to Trenton. #Yankees
55 minutes ago
Zoilo’s moving up the ladder. Be interesting to see how that big bat produces in AA.
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The offense just got more interesting. Romine, Joseph, Zoilo, Lyerly…
Giambi was very good for the Yankees, not counting his first year where he hit .300 he hit .248 .397 .503 .900. He walked more than Tex. Tex’s OBP isn’t very good right now. Its good if he is hitting .270 or .280. I can’t believe that he has completely lost the ability to hit for average.