Nunez: “I feel it’s another opportunity”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 15, 2011 
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Eduardo Nunez remembers that CC Sabathia was on the mound when he made two errors in one game in New York in April, and he remembers that it was A.J. Burnett on the mound when he made two errors in Detroit in May. He remembers these things, because those early season mistakes affected him.
“Early in the season I lost a little of my confidence,” he said. “In the first month, I think, when I made like six errors in two games, with Burnett in Detroit and CC at home. Now I feel great. I feel ready. I have my confidence back. Making errors is part of the game, you know? If you’re not making errors, you’re not playing.”
Although Nunez battled errors throughout the minor leagues — he had more than 30 three times in four years — his cleanest season was last year in Triple-A (14 errors in 452 chances). He has the range for shortstop, and he has plenty of arm for either short or third, but he’s made mistakes regularly this year. In part-time duty, he leads the Yankees in errors. By a lot.
It was suggested last night that the pressure of replacing Alex Rodriguez or Derek Jeter might get to him.
“No,” Nunez said, sounding as if he’d never even considered the possibility. “I feel it’s another opportunity for me to show I can play third base too, not just short. I’ll be fine. I feel OK. I feel good. Keep working.”
For now, the Yankees have no plans to change. Joe Girardi said he’s planning to stick with Nunez at third base, and the fact the Yankees didn’t call up Brandon Laird or Kevin Russo or Jorge Vazquez on Thursday tells you that they’re expecting Nunez to do the job.
“Let’s not make too much of one of his starts,” Girardi said. “He played great third base the other day, but that goes unnoticed when you do it the right way. He made an error today. This is a little different for all of us, playing on this AstroTurf. We haven’t been on it for a while, and we didn’t play great defense on it.”
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It might be more difficult for Nunez to step in for Arod because he doesn’t have that much experience at 3rd…..its an easier position than SS overall but totally different and with a different set of challenges
I like Nunez but he definitely needs to work on his fielding.
I think Laird should be brought up.
I like Nunez….but hurry back Alexander!!!
It might be more difficult for Nunez to step in for Arod because he doesn’t have that much experience at 3rd
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Even more difficult given that Rodriguez was probably having his best defensive season since switching to 3rd.
Not a good game – truly not a good game for GB7′s arguments.
Nunez butchered another routine play and the most productive Yankee was Smilin’ Andruw.
They really don’t need five OF, so Laird should be here if he’s even somewhat close to being ready.
Girardi needs to start trusting Noesi more. He also has to realize that Ayala isn’t good, and that despite Logan’s anomalous 2011 splits v. RHB:
.188 .278 .188 .465
his career splits likely reflect his true talent:
.313 .391 .488 .879
so Noesi should have not been taken out because of one LHB.
NuneZ is unbearable in the field.even his non official errors are anchors to our pitchers , hard to watch his minor league glove… Nice bat nice person, but….
why are we wasting Grandy in the 2 hole?
He would have 15-20 more rbi if up in a power slot.
right now w/ alex out grandy should be up 5th behind tex.
our best hitter is cano up 3rd.
gardy, jeter…..
Blake -
It’s not like Nunez was playing solid D at SS either. I think we may have to accept that as far as fielding goes – he’s Alfonso Soriano.
Now if the bat can play like Sori’s as he develops – that’s not going to make him a bad player – just one we have to accept is going to come with some flaws.
Lets give Nunez some more time !. I think he’ll be ok.
Nunez is going to get more time, but you can’t have Pena as the only other BUI at 3B.
right now chavez should be at 3rd
feliciano/marte in the pen
enough with nick johnson syndrome
shopping at garage sales gets you crap
other people’s junk
why do you think the brewers let mitre go?
To this point pretty much the whole Yankees line-up has under achieved. I am a big believer in things leveling out over a long season. I have faith that the line-up will be much better in the second half. Bringing up Montero should be no brain-er IMO.
The problem is, I also believe that the pitching staff ( to a lesser degree ) has over-achieved in the first half. If there are any moves to be made I think Cash should address the pitching side first. The bull-pen can be upgraded internally.
One possible fit is the Angels. They could really use Nick Swisher. And Haren would look really good in a Yankee uniform over the second half.
Swish plus whatever for Haren, then go after Beltran hard.
Dream on until your dreams come true.
There’s nothing wrong with shopping at garage sales (not that I would know
), but you need contingency plans.
Do you want Ty Wiggington at 3rd? He’s probably available for Nunez straight up.
MTU-
What #2 starter is available from teams that are sellers now and likely sellers in the next 2 weeks. I don’t consider Kuroda, Marquis, Dempster, Wandy Rodriguez, Myers, Chen, Francis as any better than AJ. Liriano is more inconsistent than AJ.
Who do you think is realistically out there now?
Mell,
Very true.
MTU,
Agreed
Chip,
Yea I know but I think he did an ok job filling in for Jeter……he’s trying to now play a position he’s not familar with and somewhat replace Alex’s bat. I think they should try Laird there some.
cash shops like he’s on austerity
george is rolling over
hal is the reason
hank is in captivity
levine lurks
conflicted
YT-
My answer is predicated on this.
Who are you willing to offer ?
mick July 15th, 2011 at 9:13 am
why are we wasting Grandy in the 2 hole?
He would have 15-20 more rbi if up in a power slot.
right now w/ alex out grandy should be up 5th behind tex.
our best hitter is cano up 3rd.
gardy, jeter…..
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Mick -
Why move Granderson when batting in the 2 spot is obviously agreeing with him?
In general, I think, you want to keep your lineup as stable as possible – ball players crave routine and as long as they’re being productive in the spots they’re in – it doesn’t make sense to move the pieces around the board all that much.
If you wanted to move Gardner up to the leadoff spot and slide everyone back one – (Jeter 2, Grandy 3, Tex 4) I could see that more than I could jumping Granderson and Cano, sliding Jeter, etc.
Well, it only counts as one loss.
1. Hamstring concerns can definitely affect pitching. Colon is either well enough to pitch, or not. If not, DL, and bring back Nova.
2. Also, Phil has to do his part. He has to step up. The trade market is not too plentiful, yeah, Cash could still do something, but it will cost big time.
3. Whatever chance they had to come back last night was lost when Mitre gave up the additional runs. He’s just not pitching well, and it’s a prolonged streak here. I’d let him go.
4. I like Nunez, but his fielding is too much of an adventure. He has to do better, or bring in Laird.
5. Although scroring runs was not a problem last night, I’d still look at Carlos Beltran, for the DH/4th OF role. He brings more to the plate (pun only partially un-intended
) than Jones, and Posada (he can play a position, Jorge cannot field).
Off to work…….Later.
so Noesi should have not been taken out because of one LHB.
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Logan the LOOGY did his job against the lefty. He isn’t and shouldn’t face any righties, especially when the score was 9-7 with the Yankees gaining momentum.
Face it:
Colon, “I can’t stop my leg,” Robert Klein, will not be our #2 come playoff time.
Nothing is out there.
Chalk this season up and wait for a B-2 shot…
“cash shops like he’s on austerity”
He really has no choice. It’s a consequence of having a top heavy roster with some of those players with the biggest contracts performing far under their salary.
Why do you think he wanted to use Soriano’s money elsewhere?
That’s why you need to keep your prospects and develop them.
Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 9:17 am
There’s nothing wrong with shopping at garage sales (not that I would know ), but you need contingency plans.
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I would say to this point Cash’s garage sale pickups have out performed the luxury store pickups from this winter wouldn’t you?
I think everyone needs to take a breath – classic overreaction to 1 game going on right now.
so Noesi should have not been taken out because of one LHB
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He was into his 4th inning and at 50 pitches when pulled. Based on how they’ve used him, that’s about all you’re going to get. I had no problem w/ Logan there, but think that if Girardi is going to be that matchup conscious for Lind, why wasn’t he similarly so for Hill and Encarnacion? Some reason why Wade would not have worked in that situation?
chip
I don’t buy into the rigidity of saying Grandy is hitting well because he’s up 2nd.
If he can hit, he should be in the best possible team spot.
Cano has been moved how many times?
“Logan the LOOGY did his job against the lefty. He isn’t and shouldn’t face any righties, especially when the score was 9-7 with the Yankees gaining momentum.”
That’s true, but the problem is that you can use up your pen pretty fast if you get into an overspecialization mode.
But yeah, Logan shouldn’t face a RHB ever in a close game, and you have to wonder why Wade wasn’t used, except for what I said in my second paragraph.
And if that’s the case, leave Noesi in. He’s really good, or will be very soon if used enough.
Blake -
I think the Yankees would like to see more from Laird than one solid month before they plug him in at 3b.
Besides, if Nunez is going to have a future with the Yankees it’s going to be as a Chone Figgins/Ben Zobrist type playing a lot of different positions. The Yankees need to know if he can handle that – now’s as good a time as any to find out.
mick July 15th, 2011 at 9:23 am
chip
I don’t buy into the rigidity of saying Grandy is hitting well because he’s up 2nd.
If he can hit, he should be in the best possible team spot.
Cano has been moved how many times?
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Cano has been locked at the 5 spot for two years now – he’s hit cleanup when Alex is on the DL but that’s it. He moved up to 5, not because someone else was moved around, but because Hideki Matsui left the team.
Chip
Well, if Martin is blocking Montero, it was not a good move, imo.
Chavez has never been healthy, so that looks like fool’s gold.
Colon and Garcia were great moves.
shopping at garage sales are fun
sometimes you find the ultimate bargain
but it’s no way to build a team
or fill a team in crucial spots like #2 starter
It’s kind of an insult to Giambi to say Tex has turned into him.
Even when Giambi stopped hitting for average, he got on base on close to or above .400 clips. In 2005 he led the league in OBP!
The Yankees would kill right now for mid 2000s healthy Giambi production from Tex.
I’m getting really tired of watching Nunez kick the ball around the infield.
Can Nunez and Mitre find themselves on the wrong flight when they leave Toronto? That would be great.
Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Chip
Well, if Martin is blocking Montero, it was not a good move, imo.
Chavez has never been healthy, so that looks like fool’s gold.
Colon and Garcia were great moves.
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How do you know that Montero’s better than Martin? He’s never played a major league game – heck we don’t even know if he’s going to be a catcher long term.
Martin is “blocking” Montero because Martin is playing All-Star caliber defense and the pitchers absolutely love throwing to him.
They could really use Nick Swisher. And Haren would look really good in a Yankee uniform over the second half
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Angels are in a race for their division and as such, having a guy like Haren is about 46 million times more important than having a guy like Swisher.
Even if they were to move Haren for some reason, it wouldn’t be a guy like Swisher. It would be for guys like Montero, Betances, etc.
cano is our best hitter
he should be up 3rd
tex no longer hits for avg, bat him 4th
grandy protects tex
not so hard
Wade is capable of giving the Yanks more than 1 inning.
I have no idea why he wasn’t in to face the RHBs. Girardi played it half way by only matching up with Logan.
When you only commit half way to winning baseball games, you tend to get burned.
LGY July 15th, 2011 at 9:27 am
It’s kind of an insult to Giambi to say Tex has turned into him.
Even when Giambi stopped hitting for average, he got on base on close to or above .400 clips. In 2005 he led the league in OBP!
The Yankees would kill right now for mid 2000s healthy Giambi production from Tex.
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Yes but Giambi also made Jorge Posada look like a gold glove 1b.
That said, I wouldn’t mind the Yankees picking Jason up for the stretch run.
MTU-
Interested in knowing what #2 starter might currently be available from a noncontending team IYO?
Blake-
Sandy Alderson pulled a quick one in trading K-Rod before the outgoing agent and his incoming agent could review the no trade list of 10 teams of which the Brewers were on, because at the time the list was generated trevor Hoffman was their closer. The total cost will be the 3.5M to decline the option plus two lower prospect players.
Alderson will not, rumor has it, give Beltran away.
Maybe one needs to think smaller-Reed Johnson of the Cubs.
this team will miss alex way more than they missed jeter
if they slump a little they will drop to 3rd behind the rays
who have solid starting pitching and enough hitting
subtle changes in the lineup before they get swept in tor are needed
doing it later will be perceived as panic
Chip
That’s the point. I’d like to find out. I would bet several hundred without blinking an eye that he wouldn’t have batted
.186 .298 .286 .584
since May 1st. That isn’t worth blocking Montero and it isn’t worth AS caliber anything.
When you only commit half way to winning baseball games, you tend to get burned.
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or become a .500 team
Don’t the pitchers love throwing to Cervelli as well?
He should get more PT.
The pitchers probably love hot women too., but you don’t see them catching.
off to work.
YT-
You need to tell me who I can offer among our prospects first.
For example, are our top tier guys (Montero, Manny, Dellin) available ?
Would we be willing to move GGBG or Swish in a package deal ?
Can’t answer your question in a vacuum.
having monteros bat around while alex is gone is not a bad idea
easing him in is their plan, now is their chance
Can’t answer your question in a vacuum.
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the vacuum is that there’s nobody out there to trade for
That can change in a heartbeat if the right players are offered.
Not saying I’m in favor of doing that.
That can change in a heartbeat if the right players are offered.
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for whom?
Interested in knowing what #2 starter might currently be available from a noncontending team IYO?
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Probably depends on 1) How serious the Rox might be about moving Jiminez? 2) Whether the Twins at 5 games back in the AILC fancy themselves as contenders and 3) Whether the Yankees view Liriano as that type of starter.
Beyond that, I think you’re in the Kuroda-like ballpark, which isn’t #2 level. Maybe Wandy Rodriguez is they’re willing to take that contact.
Guys like Gio, or even Danks might be made available if top tier guys were offered in exchange.
I wouldn’t do that but who knows if the Yankees might.
Mell-
Rumor has it that the Angels are talking to the Cubs to see if Aramis Ramirez will waive his NTC to play 3rd base.
man some ppl on this blog make me laugh,
nova wasnt demoted to make room for colon, it was to make room for hughes,
tex is a GG first basemen near the league lead for hrs and rbis, avg needs to improve, but the ppl who wana run him out of town are idiots
What was Jones home run call by Sterling? I heard “keeping up with the Jones” but I think he said another before that.
LGY July 15th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Don’t the pitchers love throwing to Cervelli as well?
He should get more PT.
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But Cervelli’s as useless behind the plate as he is at it.
But Cervelli’s as useless behind the plate as he is at it.
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Cervelli can’t possibly be more useless than Martin at the plate.
Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Chip
That’s the point. I’d like to find out. I would bet several hundred without blinking an eye that he wouldn’t have batted
.186 .298 .286 .584
since May 1st. That isn’t worth blocking Montero and it isn’t worth AS caliber anything.
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Rich -
I have to believe that the people making these decisions have much keener information than we do – if they don’t feel Montero’s ready there’s probably a reason.
The Yankees are in the business of winning games – if they felt like there was someone at the minor league level who could help them do that more than someone who is here – they would make a change.
I think Martin is “blocking” Montero no more than Tony Womack “blocked” Robinson Cano
LGY July 15th, 2011 at 9:47 am
But Cervelli’s as useless behind the plate as he is at it.
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Cervelli can’t possibly be more useless than Martin at the plate.
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You’re right – I should have said “Cervelli’s even more useless behind the plate than he is at it.”
LGY-Cerv will probably play tomorrow (day game after night game) if that helps at all.
MTU
Would we be willing to move GGBG or Swish in a package deal ?
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Only if the Yankees have first traded for a suitable OF replacement-Beltran?
Then, the Giants who are looking for a bat at catcher, middle infield, and/or corner OF , might be willing to trade Barry Zito, oops I meant Sanchez, but probably not Bumgarner,[ unless Banuelos was include in the deal along with Swisher after Beltran or equivalent was obtained].
“Even if they were to move Haren for some reason, it wouldn’t be a guy like Swisher. It would be for guys like Montero, Betances, etc.”
Mell
True- I understand It’s more wishful thinking ( dream on ) than anything. But I also said Swisher plus. ex: Swish+ Nova +Romine + would have to get them thinking about it. Anyway I totally admit to being awful at playing GM.
Rumor has it that the Angels are talking to the Cubs to see if Aramis Ramirez will waive his NTC to play 3rd base.
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Heard that rumor was put forth by a phony twitter account purporting to be a Halo beat writer and that there was nothing to it. Who knows?
Mell-
Well that clears up that rumor for me!!! LOL.
LGY-Cerv will probably play tomorrow (day game after night game) if that helps at all.
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You know there is something wrong if I’m actually looking forward to Cervelli getting a start
Laird plyed LF last night, Russo played 3rd. Any significance on who they might call up while sending Pena down?
LGY July 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
LGY-Cerv will probably play tomorrow (day game after night game) if that helps at all.
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You know there is something wrong if I?m actually looking forward to Cervelli getting a start
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admit it, you’re powerless to resist the eyes.
If we’re getting into the rumor part of the show (away from the b*tching part of it) here’s one for you that I’l throw out there:
Astros get: Montero, Swisher and two other minor leaguers – B or C prospects
Yankees get: Bud Norris, Hunter Pence, Carlos Lee
Astros get a solid prospect (Montero) and some serious salary relief in exchange for giving up Pence (who is about to get expensive anyway) and Norris.
Astros get: Montero, Swisher and two other minor leaguers – B or C prospects
Yankees get: Bud Norris, Hunter Pence, Carlos Lee
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Go to the corner for a timeout Chip.
Here’s a Colby Rasmus trade for you:
Marlins get Rasmus
Cards get Anibel Sanchez and Leo Nunez
LGY
Martin has more hr now than Cervelli has in his career.
Martins real value is his defense.
His ability to block balls in the dirt is near the best in the league.
LGY July 15th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Astros get: Montero, Swisher and two other minor leaguers – B or C prospects
Yankees get: Bud Norris, Hunter Pence, Carlos Lee
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Go to the corner for a timeout Chip.
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Yeah – ‘stros would never do it — swap in Wandy or Myers for Norris and I think they would be more receptive.
I don’t think Martin is holding up Montero, I think Posada is. They want Montero to play everyday. Having him play BUC/DH would give him that, but he can’t play DH because that spot is filled.
“admit it, you’re powerless to resist the eyes.”
I think you’re on to something.
http://tinyurl.com/5sljnpg
On a side note – I think the MLB should ban astroturf. I
I’m going to throw out some quick cheaper possible fixes from teams that are out of the race, that could be forthcoming soon, and wouldn’t cost big $$$’s, loss of our top minor league talent, and are FA and could be resigned with arbitration if they perform well.
Would like some positive as well as negative criticism:
Reed Johnson to replace Andruw Jones-in a limited role has better numbers this year than Beltran. Solid defender and .300 hitter against both lefties and righties.
Omar Infante of the Marlins-super utility type can play 3rd, while moving Nunez back to bench and sending Pena down or packing with Jones.
Immediately bring up George Kontos, or Whelan to replace Mitre. Would not bring up Romero another LOOGY unless Boone sent down.Preferably see if Kerry Wood will waive his NTC and come back to the Yankees to play this year. Can return to the Cubs again.
Chip
Why is it that most of your trades involve taking on a bad contract?
That’s how most trades work when you don’t want to give up your best prospects.
For all the talk about Martin’s blocking ability, AJ leads the league in WPs with 13 (!)
I think we won’t see Montero until September (unless there are more injuries).
what was austin jacksons prosepect rating, what number was he when the yankees traded him?
His ability to block balls in the dirt is near the best in the league
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Is there a way of actually proving or disproving this? Not necessarily disagreeing because I have no way of doing so because I don’t see any other guys on a regular basis.
Yankees are at the league average in passed balls and wild pitches. Doesn’t tell the whole story of course, but also doesn’t really speak to Martin being dramatically better than most. Most seem to think Matt Weiters is the top dog defensively among catchers, and the O’s stand at the top of the league in passed balls and 2nd in WP’s. Baltimore also leads the AL in %age of basestealers thrown out, while the Yankees sit considerably below the league average.
While I agree that the Yankees staff seems comofortable pitching to Martin, the notion of all-star level defense seems to be something of a myth to me.
Chip
What I was suggesting is to swap Pena for Laird….because Pena is useless.
Trader,
I just want to know the price tag on Beltran…..I know their goal is to get actual prospects for him and not dump the salary like they did with KRod…..but is a team really going to be willing to part with one of their top guys for 3 months of Beltran with his injury history? I kinda doubt it……this isn’t a Cliff Lee situation where they can demand Montero or Smoak and get it I don’t think.
Tom in N.J. July 15th, 2011 at 10:07 am
“admit it, you’re powerless to resist the eyes.”
I think you’re on to something.
http://tinyurl.com/5sljnpg
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Nice pic of a va jay jay
Blake-
Sandy Alderson is pretty shrewd. I don’t know the pricetag for Beltran? One of Warren, Phelps, Mitchell + Nunez to replace Reyes if he leaves .
MTU July 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am
So most people think it’s best not to offer quality prospects to obtain a
#2/3 starter ?
They would rather stand pat.
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What is the worst that could happen?
They don’t make the playoffs this season.
Sacreligious, I know.
I would rather that happen than give away Betances, Banuelos or Montero.
LockDown July 15th, 2011 at 10:05 am
I don’t think Martin is holding up Montero, I think Posada is. They want Montero to play everyday. Having him play BUC/DH would give him that, but he can’t play DH because that spot is filled.
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This doesn’t really square with what the Yanks are doing with Montero. If they really were projecting him to be the DH, he’d be here by now. He’s in the minors because they want him to better refine his catching skills. If you’ve noticed, Posada isn’t even the backup catcher any more. They don’t want Montero just being a DH.
Martin is blocking Montero. Cervelli is blocking Montero. Since they already have platooned Posada against LHP, I’m sure they’d think nothing of giving some of those PAs to Montero, were he here. If he were the backup C, plus sharing a slightly less than democratic split with Martin, & taking a few DH PAs against LHP, he’d be in there enough to get his bat going.
They want him catching, but Martin is in his path.
Why is anyone talking about Montero right now?
It should be blatantly obvious that there is a high amount of risk in the starting rotation because of Colon’s age and health, Hughes regression, AJ’s volatility and Nova’s inexperience.
You simply cannot go into the playoffs with CC as your only reliable starter.
He needs more support.
Cashman better get that #2 starter and not be such a poos.
Nunez cannot be traded.
DJ’s 37 years old. If he goes down again, who’s the SS? Pirela & Luis Nunez aren’t coming up here to sub, & we’re not dipping into the Penn League, lol.
Cashman better get that #2 starter and not be such a poos.
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Why?
We won’t make the playoffs?
End of world?
Why is anyone talking about Montero right now?
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You new here?
A caddy for DJ and AROD is not nearly as important as a #2 starter. If Nunez helps Cashman acquire a #2 and Cash hesitates because he prefers a stronger bench, he should be fired.
Consider Nunez a trade chip.
End of world?
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I thought that was when Jeter didn’t attend the all-star game.
Actually, looking at the rotation, consider Montero + Nunez + Gardner + Hughes + Nova trade bait.
Mell July 15th, 2011 at 10:36 am
End of world?
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I thought that was when Jeter didn?t attend the all-star game.
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MaineYankee July 15th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Chip
Why is it that most of your trades involve taking on a bad contract?
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Because taking on a bad contract (IMO) is preferable to giving up a truckload of prospects. Lee would be useful to the Yankees as a RH power bat and if I can get a long term fix like Hunter Pence in RF as well as a mid rotation starter without having to give up more than one of the upper level prospects – I’ll do it.
As much as it is some kid of moral anathema to some here, offense is part of the game.
Who is this #2 you speak of?
Name names.
Actually, looking at the rotation, consider Montero + Nunez + Gardner + Hughes + Nova trade bait.
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Are your sure there is no one you left out?
The #2 is likely someone you wouldn’t suspect is available because the minute his GM publicly peddles him, he loses value. If said GM never hints at his availability, it boosts his #2 pitcher’s value and that information never reaches us.
The minute I name a #2 or a group of #2′s, someone will insist that pitcher(s) is not available.
There’s a difference between a pitcher not being available and a GM not making him available unless a rival GM gets creative, aggressive and figures out a way to help both teams.
It’s a trade that would have to sting at first, badly.
why can’t we stand pat?
tough question.
no answers, as usual.
that would require thinking…
Is the #2 pitcher the…
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???
As much as it is some kid of moral anathema to some here, offense is part of the game.
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Good point. His .308 OBP more than makes up for some shoddy defense.
LGY,
I left out the Betances, Banuelos, Romine and Sanchez.
Is the #2 pitcher the…
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pathetic ad campaign
Here’s what I don’t get – the offense isn’t the problem so why is Montero the solution?
He doesn’t play 3b or pitch right?
Chip,
The Montero push is a way for the prospect huggers to resist the reality that he might be required in a trade to acquire a #2 pitcher to replace Colon, the current #2.
why can’t we stand pat?
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They probably can do so and still be in the postseason, IMO. There is some risk involved though. Won’t go far as to say that the pitching staff has overachieved, but I do think the 1st half provided much better results than many had imagined going into the season. Expecting that to continue deep into the season is a 50/50 prop, at best. Wouldn’t want Cashman to sell his soul for marginal improvements, but I do think he needs to look at ways to minimize the uncertainty surrounding the pitching staff.
There are very few bad teams that have good pitchers that they’re going to part with easily.
The best bets right now are Francisco Liriano who has been terrible, Edwin Jackson who I don’t trust at all, Wandy Rodriguez, Ted Lilly and Carlos Zambrano.
Guys like Mat Latos, Clayton Kershaw – they’re good pitchers on bad teams but they aren’t pitchers that those teams are going to look to move.
This #2 has no name cause there is no no.2
but I do think he needs to look at ways to minimize the uncertainty surrounding the pitching staff.
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maybe he can go to another garage sale
If Casey Blake was healthy I would say that the Yankees should try to get him and Ted Lilly in a package from the Dodgers.
Actually I would like them to go after Ethier but MLB isn’t going to let the Dodgers move Ethier, Kemp, Kershaw or Billingsly
I don’t pretend to have all the answers, Mick. As i said, I don’t necessarily disagree with your notion that they could get away with standing pat. Not sure it’s the best thing, but it’s one way of doing it.
any trade offered will have to include our top prospects and Lilly isn’t worth it
I think the Mariners would move Bedard. They’re 9 games out and fading fast. They could use some young hitters. Nunez+ might be a good start.
He’s a #2 if he can stay healthy.
And he can be had without giving up Montero, Betances or Banuelos.
From a “wish-list” standpoint, I’d think the priorities would be #2 starter (LHP?), LOOGY, RH bench bat
From a more realistic standpoint on what’s more likely to be available on the trade market, it’s probably RH bat, LOOGY, #2 starter
Mell, if you mean not making the playoffs i can live with that as long as they dont foolishly make a deal
From Rotoworld:
Erik Bedard (knee) is hoping to rejoin the Mariners rotation for the July 22-24 series against the Red Sox.
He’s been sidelined since late June with a sprained knee. It’s unclear if he’ll need any rehab starts before returning. Bedard is a candidate to be traded at the deadline. Jul 10, 2:07 PM
I think the Mariners would move Bedard. They’re 9 games out and fading fast. They could use some young hitters. Nunez+ might be a good start.
He’s a #2 if he can stay healthy.
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That’s like saying Nick Johnson and Chavez are 300 hitters if they could play
better off waiting till next year for cj wilson
Just sweep the next 7 games against the Bautista-less Blue Jays and the Rays, after the Rays are swept by the Red Sox and then it’s down to the Sox and Yankees for conference title and wild card as the Rays will not be buyers.
I still think you give up Nunez for him if you have to. The layoff for his knee might be good rest for his arm. It’s a risk. You’d have to bring in Keppinger in place of Nunez. But maybe that’s not a bad thing. Do you want Nunez in the field in a high stakes playoff game? Keppinger is more sure-handed and hitting .320 last time I checked. He can play 3b, ss, and 2b. He’s a better player than Nunez if you’re talking about filling a super-utility role on the Yanks.
after the Rays are swept by the Red Sox
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Sox are leading off the post ASB rotation with A. Miller (vs. Price) and Lackey (vs. Shields). Wouldn’t count on that sweep.
It’s a big couple of series for the Rays though.
they must stay away from injury prone players
if levine pushes cash i say cash walks away next year
“why can’t we stand pat?”
I know of no other way to stand.
Not trading Nunez right now isn’t holding up a deal because of a bench player. As much as some wish otherwise, he’s a starter for now and he foreseeable future. unless the #2 you speak of getting for him comes with a guy who can play a better SS and 3B in his pocket.
too many want a band aid when surgery might be required
pat July 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
“why can’t we stand pat?”
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nothing personal pat
Mell et al-
Have a great day.
How well Garcia does tonight and the Yankee bats perform against Morrow as well as Hughes performance against the Jays where his ERA was >7 last year, will go a long way in determining how aggressive Cashman needs to be in the trade market-little pieces or costly pieces!
Why is Eduardo Nunez on the field in a playoff game?
If he’s not on the field, why do you need him?
Yankee Trader – absolutely. These next few starts by Freddy, and Phil are very important, for just that reason. Does Cash use his trade pieces for a SP, lefty RP, or RH bat? I’d love for Phil and Freddy, and Colon, to step up this month, so that the RH bat (Beltran?) gets taken care of. Note, this does not preclude the calling up of Montero.
Do you want Nunez in the field in a high stakes playoff game?
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Maybe to steal that Dave Roberts-like base, but beyond that, probably not.
who needs nunez?
he would have to be packaged to get anything of value back.
better off going free agent next season
nothing great out there now
I’m more than fine with trading Nunez for a difference maker, but trusting his fielding in the playoffs shouldn’t be part of the argument.
So, then if you can get Keppinger, Nunez becomes inconsequential in the playoffs whereas Bedard could make a huge impact on a series.
Is there risk involved? Definitely.
The other option is to stick with Colon as your #2.
Where do you see more risk?
Nunez’ fielding DOES matter. It means he will never be in the field in the playoffs and he certainly won’t be starting. Pinch hitting? Probably not. You really don’t need him. If trading him gives you an opportunity to bring in a potential #2 starter, you do it. And you don’t have to part with any potential difference makers on the farm – Montero, Romine, Betances, Banuelos, Sanchez etc.
Nunez is not a difference maker on this team. He’s a regular season hedge and a ghost in the playoffs.
bedard isnt worth the trouble and will get hurt again
wait til next year
go free agent
miss the playoffs if you have to
Every backup player is a ghost in the playoffs.
Bedard is worth Nunez.
You don’t need Nunez.
You might need Bedard.
Otherwise, you stick with Colon at #2.
You can’t say staying pat is the path to the least amount of risk, because it’s not.
Where do you see more risk?
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Out of shape, walking condo (Colon) vs. Career China doll (Bedard)?
Tough call.
mick July 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
bedard isnt worth the trouble and will get hurt again
wait til next year
go free agent
miss the playoffs if you have to
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What free agent? Not picking on you, really just curious what the options are
Miss the playoffs over Nunez?
I don’t think so Mick.
why do you grasp at straws go with what you have for now have patience
Mell,
We’ll have to see what Bedard does vs. the Sox right before the deadline. You can bet the house Yankee scouts will attend that game. And you can bet the doctors will probe his records.
What free agent? Not picking on you, really just curious what the options are
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cj wilson for one
Every backup player is a ghost in the playoffs
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Jim Leyritz says BOO!
Sticking with Colon is grasping at straws (albeit large ones).
Bedard being a difference maker is a big
There’s a good chance he is not even healthy for the playoffs.
if they are trading bedard then he is not worth it
just like the brewers dfa’ing mitre and we scoop him up on the cheap
great deal
gone next week
Jim Leyritz says BOO!
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cj wilson for one
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Sounds like slim pickins
But bringing in Bedard for an opportunity to upgrade the rotation is better than not doing anything to upgrade the rotation, not even potentially.
If Bedard can be had for Nunez+, you don’t lose any of the depth that you already had. You’re no worse off in the rotation. But there’s a chance you can be much better off if he pans out. And all you lose is Nunez – an inconsequential piece of the playoff puzzle.
Eduardo Scissorhands…nice line on RAB! Let’s hope the defense is better tonight but I don’t like Garcia following Colon in the rotation; too risky. Fully expect AJ and CC to be pitching to try to level the series at 2-2.
you need 3 starters, 4 in spots, for the playoffs
CC, AJ and 1- 2 from column B Hughes/Colon?Garcia/Nova
bedard is not needed
Sounds like slim pickins
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better than whats out there now
Cancel that…just realized it’s CC, then Huuuuughes,
Mell July 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am
As much as it is some kid of moral anathema to some here, offense is part of the game.
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Good point. His .308 OBP more than makes up for some shoddy defense.
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My point was more about Montero, but it does actually apply to Nunez also. He’s not a high OBP guy, but he’s a talented hitter, which is obvious to some here. I like Nunez’s range at SS and the potential of his arm and the potential of his bat. I’m not going to hold against a talented young player his OBP in his first real stretch of getting ML action. He can, has, & will hit, and has some slug.
To Montero, my concern, advocating all along for Montero to already be here, was that something might happen to Alex, or that Alex’s hip may cost him some power, in that it might not be as reliable throughout the season, not to mention postseason.
Alex, and DJ, are older. More variation in performance, more chance of injury. Young power bat that also hits for average. A priority, especially since we presently do not enjoy much slugging at catcher, SS, or left field.
CC Sabathia
Erik Bedard
AJ Burnett
Colon
If something doesn’t work out, you still have Phil Hughes + Freddy Garcia + Ivan Nova + Hector Noesi. You still have Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances if it floats your boat.
You incur no risk by adding Bedard to your rotation because you maintain your depth. The only risk involved is trading Nunez – a player who is inconsequential to your post season hopes and has no future on this team as currently constructed. He can be replaced with Keppinger.
That’s what trade bait is for.
You use it.
You lose Nunez for a future (probably better) trade.
You actually IMPROVE your pitching depth by trading Nunez for Bedard.
Hopefully Soriano, Marte and Nova are on the playoff roster
our pitching should be enough to get us there
defense is what killed us last nite
LGY,
How long do you wait?
Take a look at how tight the market for top rotation starters is now?
Is it going to get any better next year after a weak free agent class?
Do you wait for 2 years?
JAP:
My bad. Thought you were talking about Nunez. Don’t ever see him being a big OBP guy (.308 is consistent with his .318 OBP as a minor leaguer. He can do some things, but I like him more as a backup than an everyday guy.
I’m with you on Montero at this point.
you think sea. trades keppinger and bedard for just nunez?
Bret
How many players did you want the Yankees to trade IPK or Jackson for before they netted Granderson?
better than whats out there now
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Heard that. Some might not agree, but bc of the bleak FA outlook, I’m in the camp that agrees the Yanks either need to
1) Pin their hopes on ManBan/Betances
2) Swing a trade…and swing for the fences (think King Felix)
And (without sounding like a fantasy homer), Cole Hamels is always a FA after next season, too
you think sea. trades keppinger and bedard for just nunez?
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Can’t really see Houston allowing Seattle to trade Keppinger to the Yankees.
LGY,
Granderson is not a starting pitcher so I can’t see why you’d hold Nunez in hopes of getting a top rotation starter.
Not after looking at this market.
(Either option 1 or 2, not both)
Can’t really see Houston allowing Seattle to trade Keppinger to the Yankees.
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right so how does brett get him in this deal
Neither IPK nor Jackson brought back the #2 starter missing piece?
So, you had to trade Vizcaino for Vazquez.
If you don’t solidify your rotation now with Bedard, maybe you lose Banuelos or Betances in a Vazquez type deal in the future.
mick July 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
This #2 has no name cause there is no no.2
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Bingo–which is why many here are saying pick up Beltran to at least fix the offensive lag now and for the play-offs.
Bedard is putting up these numbers in a huge park and in the friendly confines of the AL West.
Also he is made of glass. And finally he is a well known curmudgeon.
There is logic to trading Nunez.
Bedard being a difference maker though? Meh.
Bedard would be great as second LOOGY, but is more fragile than glass for a SP role. And Mariners aren’t giving him away….he’ll cost top prospects.
Bojo,
If Seattle can fetch more than Eduardo Nunez for him, more power to them.
some people play too much fantasy baseball
If you don?t solidify your rotation now with Bedard, maybe you lose Banuelos or Betances in a Vazquez type deal in the future.
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Trading for Bedard is already likely to be a failed trade like the Vazquez deal. What has he done lately to make you want him on the Yanks so bad? He’s been hurt forever
At least when that trade was made, Javy was coming off a legit Cy Young-candidate season
How is Bedard a long term solution?
He is a free agent.
Colon is made of glass. When you have this rotation, you do what you can to improve your depth. Adding Bedard improves depth even though he is an injury risk. Contrary to popular belief, he has pitched healthy in his career and made more starts than he has missed…so it’s better than 50/50 he holds up.
Bret The Hitman July 15th, 2011 at 11:32 am
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Brett–
IMO, you think you are acquiring the Bedard of several years ago, not this ear’s model. He is a walking DL case now…not the Ace he once was. The talent is probably still there in spurts, but he can’t be counted on.
Bret The Hitman July 15th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Colon is made of glass.
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No–he is made of blubber…he doesn’t break, he just kind of waddles. He’ll be fine for play-offs…Girardi and Monahan will figure it out to get him back.
What is the reason to cling to Nunez?
Which future #2 starter are you going to get for him without including someone in the low minors like Vizcaino?
mick July 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
bedard isnt worth the trouble and will get hurt again
wait til next year
go free agent
miss the playoffs if you have to
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Been meaning to ask you…
Do you purposely do with a 4 line template for posting?
Is it like a signature style?
Or am I just imagining it?
What is the reason to cling to Nunez?
Which future #2 starter are you going to get for him without including someone in the low minors like Vizcaino?
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I think it’s less clinging to Nunez, more disagreeing that Bedard is actually worth it. Highly debateable that he’s the future #2 you are implying he is
Erik Joseph Bedard
1979 – 2057
“He made more starts than he missed”
Bret The Hitman July 15th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Colon is made of glass. When you have this rotation, you do what you can to improve your depth. Adding Bedard improves depth even though he is an injury risk. Contrary to popular belief, he has pitched healthy in his career and made more starts than he has missed…so it’s better than 50/50 he holds up.
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That’s……really…weird reasoning.
Saying that takes no consideration of his current health or the cumulative effects of injuries on his present ability.
I’m not saying he’s a future #2. I’m saying he’s a hedge for the rotation and improves our chances of winning it all this year more than Nunez.
So if he helps win one ring, that’s all I care about.
There is no good reason to miss Nunez unless you think you can get something good for him in a trade in the future.
Like what?
Who is this mystery player we are waiting for in exchange for Nunez?
And what year do we acquire him?
2015?
Mell July 15th, 2011 at 11:35 am
JAP:
My bad. Thought you were talking about Nunez. Don’t ever see him being a big OBP guy (.308 is consistent with his .318 OBP as a minor leaguer. He can do some things, but I like him more as a backup than an everyday guy.
I’m with you on Montero at this point.
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I like DJ as the everyday guy at SS. I think with proper rest (& maybe enforced rest taught him that he’s better off not necessarily playing through everything at his age) he’s still capable of helpin this team win. But having Nunez around, since he can hit, helps us put someone in who can actually not be a cipher offensively. Right, he’s never been a patient sort at the plate; I’ve seen a good deal of him at Trenton & that’s not his strength. However, with K-Long around, & Nunez really being a novice thus far in terms of ML exposure, I can see him becoming more patient & selective.
If he can work through some of his issues (sometimes he’s overly aggressive and has that problem planting his feet & errantly throwing), I’m not going to rule him out as the future SS once DJ hangs ‘em up. Of course, he might be have guys step in his way along the line – Culver down the road, some intervening deal, etc. I just think Nunez has tools enough at a key position that I’m not going to pigeon hole him as this or that just yet.
There is no good reason to miss Nunez unless you think you can get something good for him in a trade in the future.
Like what?
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Not saying lightning strikes twice BUT….Lee would’ve been a Yankee last year if Nunez had been part of the deal. At least, that’s what we’ve been led to believe.
I’d agree keeping Nunez isn’t priority #1, but he’s currently the starting 3B, backup SS. He’s got some pop, and actual potential. Trading him for Bedard doesn’t solve the questions in the rotation, but it does introduce issues to the lineup
You guys are arguing that if you trade Nunez for Bedard, Bedard won’t be able to contribute to a ring because he will definitely get injured. You are essentially guaranteeing that he will get injured.
Well, fine, let’s look at his current state of health.
He has pitched 90 IP’s this year, on pace for 158.
If he comes off the DL before the deadline and appears healthy in that game against the Sox, it is worth examining his medical condition.
You can’t look at it right now, because 1)You’re not a doctor 2)You lack access to his medical records.
So you have no good reason not to consider him.
If Colon is made of glass then what is Bedard? If the M’s were giving him away I’d take him, but giving up a piece for a guy who cannot be counted on physically to pitch is silly right now. Especially with rumors of Ubaldo possibly being in play. The Yankees need to keep all their chips and see if the Rockies are really thinking about dealing him or if they are just trying to light a fire under him or something.
I read the blurb on Fox about Ubaldo’s start last night having more scouts request tickets than usual.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
The Yankees have to hold on to their chips and see if the Rockies want to deal. As long as Ubaldo’s medicals check out, I would trade a lot for him.
But there was no necessity for Vazquez, had the Yankees just let Chamberlain be in the rotation, & finally without injury restrictions, in 2010. Their misread (MY read on matters Chamberlain) on that cost them then, & it’s costing them now.
G. Love,
Bedard is not my first choice. If no #2 is available it’s a different story.
If Jimenez is available for the right price?
I’m all-in.
yep trading a 24 year old position player for a guy who gets hurt weekly is a shrewd move…
you guys drunk?????
lets hope we get to see girardi’s favorite today Mitre. Man watching him pitch is like watching a artist paint there masterpiece………………
Stuart,
All you do is whine.
you guys drunk?????
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Right now, I could probably still pass a breathalizer.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
But there was no necessity for Vazquez, had the Yankees just let Chamberlain be in the rotation, & finally without injury restrictions, in 2010. Their misread (MY read on matters Chamberlain) on that cost them then, & it’s costing them now.
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I disagree, as do many, as well as the Yankee organization and scouts around the league. The only mistake that was made with Joba was in not trading him when his value was very high. Another lesson in holding on to prospects too long to the detriment of the team.
Bret The Hitman July 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Who is this mystery player we are waiting for in exchange for Nunez?
And what year do we acquire him?
2015?
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Bret, I really don’t get your sarcasm. You seem to want to get rid of talented young players on principle.
You’ve advocated tirelessly to deal away Montero, showing no aptitude for understanding the kind of upside to the lineup (universally agreed upon) he could bring. If Cashman thinks he can really upgrade the rotation – to his standards, not yours, or “ours” – & Nunez is required, he might include him in a deal.
But your commentary shows no real considered thinking on Nunez. You just seem to want him to disappear because, I dunno, his rookie mistakes hurt your feelings?? Infielders who can actually play SS and have a bat like Nunez don’t grow on trees. Look at our system as case in point: Joseph’s a terrific hitter but he doesn’t have the athleticism to play SS. Russo would be a good backup strictly, but he can’t play the position well at all.
The Yankees would have to weigh very carefully what they’d be giving up against what they’d get back in the short term. If you were able to reel in some stud, you could go with a utility type to back up Derek, but you’d have to knock wood & hope there’s not need for replacement, in which case you’d be staring at a gaping hole hole. You also have to factor in the years & age of DJ going forward. His defense is fine, but one day it won’t be, & we don’t know how soon that’s coming. No one’s going to gift us a short stop who can actually hit, in that case.
It
Bret,
Finding out if Ubaldo is really on the market is what Cashman has been waiting for. If he’s available I expect the Yankees to go all in and it’s going to hurt prospect huggers something awful when they see the haul Colorado gets for him.
The other thing the Ubaldo rumors does is it shakes up any other GM’s holding top of the rotation guys they are thinking about dealing into getting into the mix before prospects they love go to Colorado.
I don’t think all the scouts showing up to watch Ubaldo last night was based on a rumor with no teeth. There’s something going on there.
If you love Montero and the B’s I would be worried now.
Am I supposed to respond to you Prufrock?
You’re a prospect hugger.
I’m not.
That’s the only difference.
Referring to Chamberlain as a “prospect” who has been “held onto for too long” precludes any obligation on my part to even respond.
Bret, that’s fine. You have nothing, I understand.
Why is anyone trading a top of the rotation pitcher – be it Bedard, Jackson, etc…for Eduardo Nunez?
Unless that pitcher has a huge question mark next to his name or a lot of zeros before the decimile in his contract I don’t think Nunez is enough to get a GM to even pick up the phone.
I guess writing second rate stuff for a living makes people actually believe cliches are ideas.
Yeah, Prufrock, and you have something when you say that Nunez’ fielding hurts my feelings.
WTF is the matter with you?
You expect to dump that slop on me and receive civil discourse in return?
Up yours.
Chip July 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Why is anyone trading a top of the rotation pitcher – be it Bedard, Jackson, etc…for Eduardo Nunez?
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Well, that is an interesting question. If GMs have the lack of regard for him that most here do.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Referring to Chamberlain as a “prospect” who has been “held onto for too long” precludes any obligation on my part to even respond.
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Well it’s good that you’ve chosen not to argue with the truth.
Yankees could have had Dan Haren for Joba – didn’t pull the trigger. Now Joba’s not a starter, not a closer, not even a 7th or 8th inning reliever – he’s a middle reliever on the shelf with Tommy John. Not exactly maximization of resources there.
Bret, have a vitamin!
G. Love,
It definitely is going to hurt badly but if we can get Jimenez?
BRING THE PAIN.
Chamberlain is not a “prospect.” He’s been a starter and a reliever. Like it or not, he’s had some major league success. Referring to him as such is ridiculous.
Jimenez is not being handed over for Nunez.
WITH Tommy John? I didn’t realize that TJ was a disease that Joba will have to live with going forward.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Jimenez is not being handed over for Nunez.
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Nobody said that, Shurlock.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Chip July 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Why is anyone trading a top of the rotation pitcher – be it Bedard, Jackson, etc…for Eduardo Nunez?
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Well, that is an interesting question. If GMs have the lack of regard for him that most here do.
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It’s not a lack of regard – it’s a matter of fact checking.
Eduardo Nunez was not some super prospect coming through the system – in the minors he’s a career .274 hitter with a .318 OBP and .369 SLG. His best year was 2 years ago where he posted an OPS nearly 100 points higher than his career average, and even that dropped by 60 points the following season.
At the major league level he’s a utility infielder who can’t field.
Yes, he’s only 24 and there’s a lot of promise ahead of him – but he’s not some super prospect. Not to anyone other than Yankee Prospect Huggers.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Chamberlain is not a “prospect.” He’s been a starter and a reliever. Like it or not, he’s had some major league success. Referring to him as such is ridiculous.
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He was back then. The organization made a serious mistake.
Bret,
If the Yankees get Ubaldo prospect huggers will be lashing themselves like that albino in the DaVinci Code after the deal is done.
And Joba definitely should have been traded for Haren. Especially when the team goes out and gets Soriano this off season because they didn’t believe in Joba enough as the set up to Mo.
That said, we still don’t really know that Joba gets us Haren. There was a lot of talk that the Diamondbacks owner had a thing for Saunders like the M’s GM had for Smoak.
nunez has value clowns. the guy is 24. he could be a starting shortstop on numerous teams today. pittsburgh, milwaukee, baltimore(possibly) and many others. sure bedard is worth a gamble. it is also worth a gamble that colon does not have high blood pressure and hardening of the arteries as I type and can get a 40 year life insurance plan because after all he is healthy..
clueless
J. Alfred Prufrock July 15th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
WITH Tommy John? I didn’t realize that TJ was a disease that Joba will have to live with going forward.
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Fine – recovering from Tommy John surgery – happier now?
And if you want to talk about what he’s going to have to live with going forward – how about the fact that this is not his first serious arm injury.
Chip July 15th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Well it’s good that you’ve chosen not to argue with the truth. Yankees could have had Dan Haren for Joba – didn’t pull the trigger. Now Joba’s not a starter, not a closer, not even a 7th or 8th inning reliever – he’s a middle reliever on the shelf with Tommy John. Not exactly maximization of resources there.
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Great post Chip, you could not be more correct in your assessment.
He was back then. The organization made a serious mistake.
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Perhaps, but it was probably not sticking with him as a starter moreso than failing to trade him when his value was higher.
G. Love,
CC Sabathia/Ubaldo Jimenez….
That’s killer!
The Uber Prospect Huggers coalition will get over it.
I kind of wonder if D-backs GM was insisting on Joba+ Nova + one of Betances/Banuelos.
Maybe it was Cashman’s refusal to include one of Betances/Banuelos.
I can’t see Joba being a sticking point.
Maybe his name was leaked because Cash was baiting another team on Joba.
In that case, passing on Haren was forgivable.
Joba is not being used as a starter. Slightly different emphasis that declaring that he is “not a starter.” If Joba gets dealt, he’ll be used as a starter, no doubt.
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And FTR, I’d deal Nunez for Jimenez. Wouldn’t deal Montero or Betances or Banuelos for him, though.
stuart a July 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
nunez has value clowns. the guy is 24. he could be a starting shortstop on numerous teams today. pittsburgh, milwaukee, baltimore(possibly) and many others. sure bedard is worth a gamble. it is also worth a gamble that colon does not have high blood pressure and hardening of the arteries as I type and can get a 40 year life insurance plan because after all he is healthy..
clueless
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Yes because I’m sure that those teams you mentioned (especially Baltimore who are looking to lock up JJ Hardy) are saying to themselves, “gee – what we really need is a 24 year old short stop who can’t field”
Which isn’t to say that Nunez doesn’t have value or promise – he has both – just not enough to by himself land the Yankees a top of the rotation pitcher.
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Betsy,
I meant Tex gets killed here. He doesn’t get killed in the media because he’s not Alex, and he’s not Jeter. My whole point was that Tex is hardly the main problem on this team. Yes, I get that he hits in the 3rd spot, but he’s still hitting for power. Which a 3 hitter should do. I’m sure he and the Yankees, along with the rest of us, would like him to also hit for average. But by and large, nobody is. That includes Jeter, Alex, Cano, and goodness look at Swisher.
As for Nunez, shouldn’t he have settled down by now? I’m not saying he won’t, not at all. But he’s freaking out imo.
There was the big hullabaloo about some of us were thinking Ozzie Smith was coming back when Jeter returned. No, it wasn’t that. It’s just that these “OMFGAYFKM?” plays will kill an effort much more than the “past a diving Jeters”.
Anyway, we need Nunez because Alex went down. But I would definitely bring up Laird to cover the hot corner.
G. Love,
CC Sabathia/Ubaldo Jimenez….
That’s killer!
The Uber Prospect Huggers coalition will get over it.
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Betances is a year away from the majors. He’s throwing 98 miles an hour. He’s not some finesse/location dude or some raw arm with no arsenal down at Staten Island who is years away. You just frankly sound ridiculous, lumping all these guys in the system together as one, and indiscriminately calling anyone who is impressed with our drafts and IFA signings a “prospect hugger.” Just take a look at who is, and who isn’t, amused by that in here. That should tell you a lot.
Montero? If he doesn’t get dealt & turns into Piazza, you’ll be falling all over yourself.
You remind me of the folks who couldn’t wait to get rid of Robinson Cano. But the Yankees were smarter than those impatient dolts.
Cano was a prospect once. How’d he turn out?