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Postgame notes: “I’ve been thinking about my leg too much”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After tonight’s game, Joe Girardi compared Bartolo Colon to Derek Jeter. Both have a hard time admitting when they’re hurt.

Colon has told the Yankees that he has recovered from a strained left hamstring, and he’s told them he’s healthy enough to pitch, but tonight he admitted that he doesn’t trust the muscle to hold up on every movement and every pitch. He’s tentative making plays off the mound, and he’s less aggressive throwing pitches over the plate.

“It’s affecting me a little bit because I’m not pitching the same way I’m pitching (when I’m) aggressive,” Colon said. “I have been a little bit afraid. I’ve been thinking about it… I think it’s why my sinker is not sinking the way it’s supposed to is because I’ve been thinking about my leg too much.”

Colon’s hesitation was most noticeable when he went to cover first base on a ground ball to the right side. He admitted to being “unsure” on that play. He didn’t want to blow out his hamstring again, just like he did about this time last month.

“That’s something that I’m going to have to talk to him about, see how he’s really doing,” Girardi said. “Bart always says that he’s okay. That’s something I’m going to have to sort through in the next day or two.”

Colon said he’ll wait to see how he feels in the morning, but right now he anticipates telling Girardi that he feels healthy and ready to pitch. He said there’s no pain, but there’s also no mistaking his past two starts. They’ve been bad. Bad defense and bad luck certainly played a role tonight, but this was not Colon at his best.

“I don’t blame anybody,” Colon said. “That was my fault. I don’t pitch good, and they hit me, and I lost the game.’

Here’s Girardi.

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And here’s Colon, with Roman Rodriguez as interpreter.

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• Girardi said Colon only iced his shoulder and elbow after the game. That’s his usual routine. No extra treatment because of the hamstring.

• Girardi said he didn’t think Colon was pitching particularly poorly in the first inning, but once he topped 40 pitches, there was no chance Girardi was going to leave him out there. “You start to worry about the pitch count and him hurting his arm,” Girardi said. “When you’re over 40 pitches, how far are you going to let him go? Are you going to let him throw 60 in one inning? That’s just not what a starter does. For Bartolo, who is always extremely efficient, he’s not built to do that.”

• Eight runs was the most the Yankees had allowed in the first inning since June 18, 2000. It was the most allowed in any inning since 2009. The 16 runs allowed all night was the highest total allowed by the Yankees since April 25, 2009 (also 16).

• The first inning might have been different had Brett Gardner caught that shallow fly ball that slipped underneath his glove for a double. Gardner said he thought he was going to catch it, but as he got ready to dive, he lost the ball in the lights. From the moment he dove, he no longer saw the ball. “I thought I could have caught it if I had seen it the whole way,” he said.

• The first inning also would have been a lot different had Eduardo Nunez properly fielded a sharp bouncer to third. That error opened the door for five more runs. “That’s my first time, I think, playing third base on this field,” he said. “I’ve never played in a game at third base, and it’s a little hard to read very early how the ball comes. High chopper. Slow chopper. They gave me in between chopper.”

• Actually, what Nunez said is incorrect. His point still stands, but Nunez did play third base here twice last season. There’s a solid chance he never had an in between hop like that — and I don’t doubt that the surface makes a difference — but he’d certainly played that spot before.

• Nunez was also turned around on a popup behind third base. He said the ball kind of circled him overhead, so he started following it over one shoulder, then had to switch to the other side.

• For just a little while, the Yankees were back in the game. Andruw Jones hit his two home runs, and the Yankees had pulled within 9-7 in the sixth inning. That’s when the bullpen let them down. “We were back in the game and we had a chance, but we weren’t able to close the door,” Girardi said. “They just kept tacking on runs to where it got out of hand.”

• Jones had his second multi-homer game of the season and now has six homers for the year. With 42 career multi-homer games, Jones is tied with Vladimir Guerrero for the third most among active players. He’s hit three of his six home runs this season off Jo-Joe Reyes.

• Curtis Granderson hit his eighth triple of the season, surpassing last year’s total.

• The Yankees used four different relievers, but Girardi said the team might not need to make a move for extra pitching before tomorrow’s game.

• Juan Bautista left tonight’s game with a twisted right ankle. He’s considered day-to-day.

• Bottom line is this: “You don’t make too much of one game, but it was not a good game on our part,” Girardi said. “Offensively, we swung the bats good. Defensively and pitching, we didn’t play that well.”

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118 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I’ve been thinking about my leg too much””

  1. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    At this point if you’re a Pinstripe Pollyanna you’re forced to give Tex a pass and cite his power numbers and try to move the target from him.

    If you actually watch the games you’ll see how poor he has been consistently. He hits rock bottom for about a month and then turns into Babe Ruth for about 10 games. There’s no middle ground. There’s zero offensive consistency.

    He is Jason Giambi reborn with a better glove. At least we don’t have to hide him at DH because he can’t field his position.

    Texeira is turning into the worst kind of power hitter – all or nothing.

    That said, tomorrow can be the start of the next streak and he is capable of carrying this team for a few weeks if the Gods decide it’s time for him to get hot.

    I don’t see him finishing the season above .260. I actually think he’ll be in the .240?s for the season with a boatload of HR’s and Walks. For some people the HR’s and Walks are enough and the average is meaningless. To me, for 23 million a year you better do more with the bat than keep it on your shoulder or swing for the fences.

    His contract will turn into a major albatross if he doesn’t begin to hit for some kind of average befitting his salary.

    Believe it or not, he’s actually greasing the skids for Prince or Pujols to be signed as DH. I think the Yankees front office is figuring out he isn’t the next big bat to carry this team into the future. He’s not Bernie, Arod, O’neil, Matsui, etc. He’s late model Giambi with the bat. Boy did that happen fast.

    Someone get Montero a 1b glove please.

  2. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    “Someone get Montero a 1b glove please.”

    It hasn’t taken Po long.

  3. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Giambi was very good for the Yankees, not counting his first year where he hit .300 he hit .248 .397 .503 .900. He walked more than Tex. Tex’s OBP isn’t very good right now. Its good if he is hitting .270 or .280. I can’t believe that he has completely lost the ability to hit for average.

    Since June 1st Tex has hit .222 with an .800 OPS, he just hasn’t been right. Even last year he had some really great months. He hit .350 for like all of july last year. If he did that he’d bring his avg up right quick.

  4. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    If Colon has lost confidence in his leg and it’s affecting his performance I’m worried. You don’t want him out there thinking about it. You also don’t want him out there ignoring it and blowing it out.

    If it’s honestly part of the reason why he got torched tonight the Yankees should DL him again and bring up Nova and get Colon healthy and confident in the leg. I also think they should tell him not to cover 1st even though that can lead to a hit/run in certain situations.

    If he’s turning into a pumpkin finally, the Yankees will be forced to make a trade for a starter and a lot of you aren’t going to like who they end up dealing.

    I hope Colon is okay and better next time out or he’s on the DL resting that leg until he’s truly ready to go.

  5. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    I don’t think Dudley had it coming, but how much willpower was Mr. Carlson supposed to have???

  6. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Jerkface,

    Tex will soon hit .400 for a 10 game span soon and everyone will come in here and say how they believed in him and how the people criticizing him were bad fans.

    Then he’ll go into the bucket again for a month once that streak ends or if a Boston pitcher drills him.

    There’s a pattern to his play here. It’s all up or down and no in between.

    That said, his defense is very good but that doesn’t make him a quality 3 hitter.

  7. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Nick,

    If anyone had it coming, it was The Gooch.

  8. tyanksfan36 July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    J Alfred

    I’m quite upset we have lost a lot of our offense in Tampa. I’ve liked Zoilo since last year, sad that he got promoted and we lost him but glad at the same time.

  9. m July 15th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Montero will outhit Tex? That’s tough to agree with when you compare the back of their baseball cards…

    Tex is one of the youngest to hit 300 HR. He’s closer to 30 than 40. So he’s not hitting for average. Hardly anyone in this team is hitting for average.

    I get the frustration with Tex, but he’s a good player.

  10. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Tex is one of the youngest to hit 300 HR. He’s closer to 30 than 40. So he’s not hitting for average. Hardly anyone in this team is hitting for average.

    I get the frustration with Tex, but he’s a good player.

    I still believe in Tex. He is a hard worker too, if this continues to be an issue he will work to correct it. But I did also want to move him to 5th in the lineup for Cano, but then Cano had to go and regress as well. Basically, everyone kind of sucks this year, and its just more of a reason to keep Montero.

  11. m July 15th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    And WTF did Colon not get any rehab starts? That’s where you test and gain full confidence in the MF thing.

  12. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    m,

    I didn’t say Montero would outhit him now. What I was alluding to was if Tex is going to be a .240-.260 type for the remainder of his contract, Montero may become the 1b of the future in the last year or two of Tex’s deal.

    The Yankees need players who can hit with some kind of consistency. I’d kill for this team to have an Olerud/Boggs type bat who just used the field to find holes.

    I actually hope the Yankees don’t sign Prince as a DH since I think he’ll just be another low average masher once he gets to NY.

    If they’re going to drop serious coin on a DH who can hit like a pro and mitigate the Swisher/Tex types who are all or nothing most of the time, it’s Pujols.

  13. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    And WTF did Colon not get any rehab starts? That’s where you test and gain full confidence in the MF thing.

    I was very surprised at the time that he wasn’t and Hughes was. He did blow away the MEts but that ain’t exactly difficult.

  14. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    The Gooch… that’s pretty incredible Different Strokes knowledge.

    I was already impressed that you came up with Dudley. I just remembered him as the one who drank the wine.

    I think the Gooch is now an instructor in Boston’s MiL system, btw, scouting future talent for Jed Hoyer.

  15. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    “I actually hope the Yankees don’t sign Prince as a DH since I think he’ll just be another low average masher once he gets to NY.”

    Unless GM Randy rules by fiat, that’s not happening, but mostly because you can’t tie up $40m in a DH and 1B.

  16. m July 15th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    How ya doing G. Love? :)

    I don’t want Prince. He can hit the ball hard and far, but I think that will be an albatross contract. And to think Ortiz is in better shape than Prince!

    The Sox got Gonzalez, and he’s really a good player. But wasn’t it fun stealing Tex from right under their nose? That alone helps justify the contract.

    Alex staying healthy will be a bigger issue than Tex hitting for average.

    I dint get why Tex gets all the grief around here.

  17. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Heath Bell just gave up a homer to Aubrey Huff, save blown.

    Draw your own conclusions.

  18. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    “I dint get why Tex gets all the grief around here.”

    I suspect that some Jeter fanatics would disagree.

  19. UnKnown July 15th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Tyanks you still around?

    I’m heading to the game on Tuesday at the Trop. Any suggestions on tickets and parking? I was there in 2007 and I remember it going rather smoothly. Thanks for any info.

  20. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    m,

    Tex gets grief because he’s the 3 hitter. Go back to our good teams where we had 3 hitters like Mattingly, O’Neil, Abreu, etc. These guys were more consistent. When you look at a lineup the 3 hitter is the best hitter on the team who is there to scare the opposing pitcher and be a consistent force.

    Tex is inconsistent. It’s part of what he’s become as a Yankee.

    I’d rather see Cano hold the pimp slot in the lineup. He may not walk as much as Tex, but he is the best hitter in this lineup bar none.

  21. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    There was a time that I thought that Jeter should have batted 3rd, like 1999 when he had the highest OPS+ on the team.

  22. xcv July 15th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    logan & mitre need to go. and if teixiera wasn’t signed for $180M he should go too

  23. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Tex also gets grief because he’s a 20+ million player. He was brought here to be an MVP. He plays more like a 5 hitter now.

    I hope he makes the adjustments to his approach that make him a better all around hitter again.

  24. I Am Winning July 15th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    Please take Logan and Mitre off this team. I can’t take these guys anymore.

    Logan is specifically put in situations to succeed, yet his stats are terrible!

    Just because a lefty is up doesn’t mean Noesi, or anyone else can’t get the out. If you put Mo in for one batter a game, he will end with an ERA of 0. Logan will have his ERA above 4 before the season is over.

    Having a terrible left hander on the team, just to have a lefty, isn’t worth it if we can get a righty that’s more effective against lefties and righties.

    I don’t understand how hard of a concept that is to understand. I agree with 99% of managements decisions, but to keep this guy on a ML roster is pathetic. I’m livid that he gets paid to be such a terrible ballplayer.

    Lefties are hitting .268 against him, and righties .188. Proves my point, specialists are worthless unless they have 9/10 odds to get a particular hitter out, Logan just isn’t that guy.

    And Mitre, I’ve seen enough of his garbage pitching, he needs to go.

    With that being said, I think Noesi earned a spot in higher leverage innings/games.

    Nunez on the other hand, is the most frustrating fielder to watch. If I bet $100 every game he plays, that he will make an error, I would have excess money in my pocket, go figure. With the average player, I’d have already lost thousands of dollars. I wish Nunez can learn to field in the minors, and not in ML when it really counts.

  25. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Nick,

    Different Strokes and Facts Of Life reruns were pretty popular in the NY Metro area back in the day.

  26. m July 15th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    logan & mitre needs to go.

  27. stuart a July 15th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    g love one of the einsteins telling me weeks ago no reason to get on colon for being a fat slob… yep, you definitely need to apply for a GM job. you are 1 smart cookie.

    good news Mitre can pitch tommorrow after all no need to DFA him, he is excelling at his role in igniting the other teams offense whenever he pitches.

    Good to hear…

  28. m July 15th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Hopefully somebody told the Yankees that the ASB is over. That’s an embarrassing number of runs to give up.

    And Nunez!

  29. stuart a July 15th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    shrewd xcv. lump texiera in with mitre. on the logan fron he does stink but girardi should have brought in wade after logan got the lefty out.

    girardi does not understand games can be decided in the 6th no different then the 8th inning.

    wonder if girardi and mitre got back from dinner yet…. the only reason mitre is on the team is he must be blackmailing Girardi on something no possible explanation for why Mitre is on the team.

    Chad how about asking Girardi about Mitre’s role and how you can have such a innefective guy on the team in any role……………….

  30. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    At least they battled tonight. Yeah, Colon struggled with command, but they were unlucky with balls in play in the first inning and the defense was bad, yet despite Ayala being what he is, which is not very good, they stayed in the game and had a chance to win because they didn’t quit and Noesi pitched well.

    They need to find out very quickly if Colon has to go back on the DL, and they need the struggling players to pick it up.

  31. G. Love July 15th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    Oh stuart…sweet stuart….did you run out of your meds?

    I don’t remember once defending Colon’s physical shape with you. I don’t remember once defending Colon’s physical shape at all. There’s a reason why we hold our breath when he covers 1st. He looks like a bowling ball. All season long I’ve been saying I hope he doesn’t turn into a pumpkin, no pun intended. That means I think he’s round like a pumpkin. See?

    You get some rest now, you hear me kiddo?

  32. jackamir July 15th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    DFA MITRE…… At this point it is a must….. ANY AAA OR AA starter would be a better choice. Put us out of misery. The Boss is screaming right now. I love Colon but DL him and bring back Nova..& get a productive bat off the bench….

  33. stuart a July 15th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    sure g love.. i made it up. you and some other clowns were mocking me a west coast yankee that we thought colon being a overweight horse can cuase injuries such as his groin or hammy injury.

    the bubble is probably bursting on colon. his velocity was down minimum 3 mph, with 2 pitches he needs to have great stuff not good stuff.

    good one with the meds , idiot……..

  34. Pepitone July 15th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    I bet if Cashman dangled Montero the Cubs would give up Garza.

    This team needs pitching if they are serious about competing in October.

  35. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Matt Garza is basically AJ Burnett.

  36. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    We’ve got some thrilling NL West-style extra innings baseball happening, people!

    1-1 in the 12th, Giants with the bases loaded, one out. They usually find a way not to score in these situations.

  37. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:29 am

    :lol:

    Now it’s two outs. Started with bases loaded and none out.

    Mike Fontenot to the rescue.

  38. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Pads pitcher walked in a run on 4 pitches. Panda to the plate!

  39. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:27 am
    We’ve got some thrilling NL West-style extra innings baseball happening, people

    ______________________

    Have you ever thought that it might be more “thrilling” for you a Giants blog?

  40. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Not once, but thanks for asking.

  41. m July 15th, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Wow. 4-1 top of the 9th. And to think it could have been over if Bell just did his job. :lol:

    Oh, wait…5-1 now. I’m hooked!

  42. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 1:43 am

    I humbly apologize. I wrongly thought this was a Yankee blog. Please keep us updated. We are on the edge of our seats.

  43. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:43 am

    Good grief. :roll:

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan July 15th, 2011 at 1:44 am

    “Have you ever thought that it might be more “thrilling” for you a Giants blog?”

    ********************

    LMAO! Wack! Smack! Thud!

  45. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    The Lowest Common Denominator weighs in.

  46. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Good fans owe it to themselves to be fans of baseball as a whole, not just the Yankees.

  47. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Again I humbly apologize…. What’s the score Nick?

  48. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 1:51 am

    You weren’t even talking about anything on here, yankees or otherwise. What exactly is Nick interrupting?

  49. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 1:54 am

    When did anyone say he was “interrupting”??

  50. m July 15th, 2011 at 1:54 am

    It is Yankees related. Bell has been linked to the Yankees. (who hasn’t? But that’s besides the point)

    How did the Mets not get K-rod’s no trade list? Tells you how much he wanted to get out of New York that he went anyway.

  51. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 1:56 am

    “I bet if Cashman dangled Montero the Cubs would give up Garza.”

    Would the Cubs throw in a barf bag?

  52. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    When did anyone say he was “interrupting”??

    Nick is a stalwart Yankee fan who has been here for years. If he isn’t interrupting or disrupting anything what is the harm in discussing another baseball game? There is nothing going on Yankee wise. Even if there was, what is the harm in it?

  53. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 1:57 am
    Nick is a stalwart Yankee fan who has been here for years.

    ____________________

    Never once said he wasn’t….

  54. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 2:05 am

    Thanks, m and Jerkface, but I think “sammiejohnson” has an agenda beyond promoting a Yankee discussion.

    Just look at who chimed in.

  55. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Actually, I have never spoken to WCYF, except to tell him about my new Nike hunting boots. But (in your own words) thanks for asking.

  56. Nick in SF July 15th, 2011 at 2:11 am

    I didn’t ask.

    But this kind of silliness is the whole point, so I’m opting out.

  57. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Never once said he wasn’t….

    Then stop trying to drive him away :x Your new hunting boots are not yankee related, perhaps you’d like to live in the nike hunting boot lohud blog :x

  58. sammiejohnson July 15th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    Good grief/ Umm ok….

  59. Jerkface July 15th, 2011 at 2:18 am

    :x Take your grief to the Lohud Blog for Grieving Widows :x

  60. Bronx Jeers July 15th, 2011 at 2:21 am

    And I’m still looking for that lohud cellphone blog.

    Touch screens rule the day
    Nimble fingers dance on air
    Adios QWERTY!

  61. Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 2:22 am

    Maybe I’m missing something but do people really laugh their ass off?

  62. m July 15th, 2011 at 2:43 am

    How big was their ass to begin with?

    I keed, I keed.

  63. tyanksfan36 July 15th, 2011 at 3:22 am

    unknown

    ill look for you later in the week but ill reply now in case you see this. for tickets, you shouldnt have a problem buying them there, the up high tickets arent that expensive even for Yankees games. I would suggest maybe going up to the box office on Monday so you dont have to pay the day of game fee which is a few bucks more. as for parking, I would park on the side of the interstate that is away from the trop. There are some lots on 1st ave south on the side of the interstate opposite the Trop. If you park in the general parking they offer, then theres just one way out and you have to sit in traffic forever. If you park in a side lot along 1st ave south or on central ave then you wont have to deal with that traffic.

    Hope that helps.

  64. PacoDooley July 15th, 2011 at 5:22 am

    DFA Mitre and call up Nova – send Colon the bullpen to take over the Mitre role, at least until he feels stronger (and maybe loses some weight).

  65. Mike Ri July 15th, 2011 at 6:45 am

    Well . . last nights game sucked ! . Time to forget about it and get a W tonight !

    ps MEAT TRAY YOU SUCK !! . . . Why this dude is on the team is beyond me !

  66. PacoDooley July 15th, 2011 at 6:49 am

    Indeed, the Mitre experiment is a failure – there is often a real reason why teams release players, and it is obvious that he was released because he isn’t very good. Gordon offered more than Mitre, and he was sold to a Korean team in exchange for a few jars of kimchi…

  67. Mike Ri July 15th, 2011 at 6:51 am

    and he was sold to a Korean team in exchange for a few jars of kimchi?

    LOL LOL LOL

  68. Niblick July 15th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Time to get a new infielder. Nunie’s glove and arm just aren’t cutting it. I wonder just how many unearned runs he’s responsible for this year? And for him to blame it on a surface that he hasn’t played on before (even though he had) is reprehensible. He should man up and admit he botched the play. Bad play + fabricated excuse = Scranton.

  69. blake July 15th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Here is the deal with Colon…..if he can’t trust that hammy and its affecting his 2 seamer then they need to get him out if the rotation and put him on the DL until he is right again…..he’s not going to be successful without it. If its fully healed and he’s just being tentative with it then he needs to stop and just pitch…..he’s 38 years old and in a 1 yr deal….if he’s healthy then air it out. I in no way think what he has done to this point was a mirage or anything…..it was legit…..but injuries were always going to be the most likely cause if he fell apart and I think the Yanks need to plan accordingly if possible.

    Thought Noesi did a really nice job…..wish Joe would have let him try and pitch out of trouble there instead of going to Logan……but he did get the Lefty out….problem was that 2 righties were coming up next.

    Mitre has been dreadful in his return…..I liked that signing because he was ok last year but he’s not a guy that needs to be in any game within reach because he just can’t throw a clean inning right now.

    Cash needs to seriously consider what Beltran would cost them…..I don’t know what that is….it may be too much…..but you have to check because he makes a ton of sense for their needs.

    Never wish injury on anybody but wouldn’t hurt my feelings much if Bautista needed to rest that ankle for the next 3 games.

  70. NYY fan in NH July 15th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Waking up after the team lost 16-7 makes me sick to my stomach. Luckily it’s only 1 game, but seeing Nunez play 3rd and Colon collapse because of his tentative leg really exploits what this team has ahead of them.

  71. upstate kate July 15th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    That was a hard game to watch. For awhile I thought the Yankees could pull it off, but no such luck.
    I like your suggestions Paco

  72. blake July 15th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Pena isn’t an option….they should bring up Laird and give him some reps at 3rd. Nunez doesn’t have a ton of experience there and was pretty shaky over there last year also. He makes errors at SS as well but he seems a lot more comfortable there.

  73. blake July 15th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Cashman is likely going to have to make a decision as to how much this year means…..I’ve said all year that while the Yanks can make the playoffs with the current rotation…..it doesn’t stack up well at all for a short playoff series. Now would I rather stand pat than overpay for somebody just to have a better shot this year…..no I wouldn’t…….but if upgrades can be made without giving up prime prospects then Cash has to take a look and I think he will. Hughes and Soriano are probably going to be x factors……Montero coukd be I guess if he ever gets a chance.

  74. 108 stitches July 15th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    It may be Nova time. Put Colon on the 15-day DL and a few relief stints afterwards. Keep the staff glued.

  75. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    That’s the problem with hammy injuries with pitchers – the same thing happened to Hughes. If Colon still doesn’t really trust it, maybe he needs some more rehab starts.

  76. Mell July 15th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    For awhile I thought the Yankees could pull it off, but no such luck

    ===========================

    At 9-7 with the tying runs on base, only 1 out, and the meat of the order coming up, things were looking pretty good. Things went due south from there.

  77. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    2 starts is not even close to enough time to say whether Colon is turning “into a pumpkin”. Perhaps he’s coming back down to earth or perhaps he’s just in a slump…………..but the Yankees rushed him and I will continue to think that regardless of what happens. 1 rehab start – 1. There was just no need to bring him up to start against the Mets – but then, maybe the Yankees forgot what happened to Hughes in 2007.

    GLove, I kind of agree with you on Tex – and he should not be batting 3rd. He’s not Alex, the kind who can truly lift a team on his shoulders – in fact, he rather depends on Alex. In 2009, when Alex was out for so long, Tex had the chance to carry the team and he couldn’t do it. He has another chance now, but he’s too streaky and now he’s not a good enough hitter – .240? That’s not what we signed up for when we signed him. He is all or nothing………now he’s a traditional slugger.

  78. blake July 15th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Yea the Yanks did a nice job fighting back…..but when the starter goes out in the 1st inning its tough for any team to bridge the rest of the game……..you have to throw too many different relievers out there and its inevitable that one or two of them.will stink that night……

  79. blake July 15th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I think Tex is a perfect 5 hole hitter.

  80. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    M, yeah it was fun stealing Tex from under the Sox’ nose, but it’s not so much fun now – they got a better player.

  81. blake July 15th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Actually Tex is a 3 hole hitter from the right side…..its the left side that he’s not.

  82. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Tex gets less grief than just about anyone on the team. Alex gets killed, Jeter gets killed – the media leaves Tex alone

  83. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Blake, you would rather overpay instead of standing pat? I feel differently – I have no desire to overpay for mediocrity, which is exactly what is available.

    Also, the Yankees are going to continue to have rotation issues – Colon and Garcia are not long-term solutions. Every year, Cash or the next GM is going to have to continue trying to sign these “no-risk” deals………and every year won’t always turn out like this.

  84. 108 stitches July 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    At some point Teixeira will need to get quiet in the batter’s box and reduce the wiggling and jiggling with his bat and leg. As he ages, so will his bat speed and he’ll need the changes.

  85. Mell July 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    but the Yankees rushed him and I will continue to think that regardless of what happens.

    ==============================

    Not sure I’m buying that. No evidence of leg issues against the Mets when he was tossing 6 shutout innings and none against Tampa either. He looked a little slow last night, but he always looks slow and even if he’s 100% healthy he’s not getting an out on either of those two dribblers in the 1st inning.

  86. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Good morning-

    Didn’t get to witness the 1st inning pitching and fielding debacle. Were the Jays stealing signs as Martin has claimed. Was Colon’s velocity down with worry over the hammy? Do the Yankees need another utility infielder or do you blame the turf?

    Mitre is gone soon. However from what I’m reading, pitching is going to be hard to get. Will Kontos help? return of Whelan? If the Yankees do not add another quality relief pitcher[not counting Soriano], then this relief staff could be running on fumes by middle to late August.

    Solutions?

    BTW-Just when Andruw is a goner, Reyes throws him 2 fastballs[which he still can actually hit]for homers! Did he payoff Reyes before the game? They were both former Braves/

  87. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Mell, it’s just how I feel – one start doesn’t prove anything to me. I said it before the Mets game also…..I just don’t feel that 1 rehab start after a hammy injury is sufficient and clearly he’s still having trouble trusting that leg..

  88. Erin July 15th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Rich in NJ July 15th, 2011 at 1:56 am
    ?I bet if Cashman dangled Montero the Cubs would give up Garza.?

    Would the Cubs throw in a barf bag?

    **************************

    :lol:

  89. Erin July 15th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:26 am
    Good morning-

    Didn?t get to witness the 1st inning pitching and fielding debacle.

    ************************

    consider yourself lucky. ;)

    After that mess I thought it would be an excellent time to catch up on my DVR.

  90. Mell July 15th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Were the Jays stealing signs as Martin has claimed.

    ========================

    Probably. If they did, it does not appear to be via bogus means (i.e. CF camera or the like). Martin said guys on 2nd were signalling by turning their head in a particular direction or some such thing. That’s fair game. It’s up to Martin and the Yankees to resolve that somehow, which apparently they did later in the game.

  91. sunny615 July 15th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    From Chad’s article:
    Nunez has a team-high 11 errors despite limited playing time.

    “I have my confidence back,” he said. “Making errors is part of the game, you know? If you’re not making errors, you’re not playing.”
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    That’s got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    “We were back in the game and we had a chance, but we weren’t able to close the door,” Girardi said. “They just kept tacking on runs to where it got out of hand.”

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Doesn’t help when you put Meat Head in the game you putz.
    Why is it no one asks Girardi why he continues to use that garbage batting practice nincompoop??

  92. Erin July 15th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    On the upcoming DJ3K HBO special:

    http://tiny.cc/6q248

  93. Mell July 15th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Mell, it’s just how I feel – one start doesn’t prove anything to me

    ======================

    Understood. Not disrespecting your opinion, merely disagreeing a little. While nothing in his initial two starts back demonstrated any issues with the hammy, I do agree that he was moving with some trepidation last night.

  94. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Facing Brandon Morrow won’t be any easier for the Yankees. Pitched one of the best 1-hitters ever thrown with 17 strikeouts last year against the Rays. Has not loss a decision since 6/11.

    I suppose Garcia got sandwiched between the two high velocity pitchers in Colon and CC to give the opposing team a different look to throw the hitters off stride.

  95. Mike Ri July 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    ?I have my confidence back,? he said. ?Making errors is part of the game, you know? If you?re not making errors, you?re not playing.?
    ———–

    what the hell is that .. LOL LOL LOL ..

  96. Betsy July 15th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Mell, no problem at all…….. I didn’t see a lot of the game to be honest, so I’m not even judging things based on last night. A hammy injury can be a real problem for a pitcher – the lack of trust, the possibility of altering the delivery to compensate, etc…………..It’s why I assumed that Colon would have spent more time in rehab.

  97. Melkmanisinhotlanta July 15th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Nova was on a roll. He was learning how to pitch and successfully with an 8-4 record. The genius’ decided he should go to the minor leagues because an old, fat, enhanced pitcher was coming back. Cashman really blew it. He took a young successfully mlb developing pitcher and blunted his progress by sending him to the minors. Cashman needs to be send packing.

  98. Benny Blanco July 15th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Tex gets less grief than just about anyone on the team. Alex gets killed, Jeter gets killed – the media leaves Tex alone

    ======

    I couldn’t agree more. Media was killing alex for having only 13 homeruns, when technically you could’ve made the argument that he hit his 14th in the met’s ballpark. I’ve never seen a player on the yankees make 23 million a year and get the pass that Tex does. Alex was getting booed for at least 4 years before the booing subsided.

  99. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    On the bright side-the Yankees now have a regular hitting .300- Cano right at .300 after last night.

  100. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Yea maybe Cashman should be sent packing. If he blunted Nova’s progress, it was because he was foolish to sign Colon and Garcia. He’s going nowhere unless he decides to leave at the end of the season. Do you want Dave Dombrowski of the Tigers, who traded us our current MVP, and who’s contract is up?

    LOL

  101. hardwired7 July 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Errors are a part of the game. Unfortunately in Nunez’s case, they’re a part of every game.

  102. RadioKev July 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I couldn’t agree more. Media was killing alex for having only 13 homeruns, when technically you could’ve made the argument that he hit his 14th in the met’s ballpark. I’ve never seen a player on the yankees make 23 million a year and get the pass that Tex does. Alex was getting booed for at least 4 years before the booing subsided.
    ———–

    He’s had good years with the Yanks, they won the world series in his first year, he plays a good first base, and he’s uncontroversial/says the right thing/isn’t completely boring at the same time. Hard to just boo that.

  103. RadioKev July 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am
    Yea maybe Cashman should be sent packing. If he blunted Nova’s progress, it was because he was foolish to sign Colon and Garcia.
    ———

    I know, Nova missed two starts. How will he ever attain his excellence again?

  104. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Starlin Castro has 18 errors at SS already this season.

  105. blake July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Betsy,

    No…..I would rather stand pat than overpay.

    Regarding Tex and Gonzalez …..I think you have to consider in that equation that the Yankees 1) won a WS since that signing 2) the Red Sox had to trade their 3 best prospects for Gonzalez and the Yanks didn’t.

    Would you rather have perhaps Tex, Montero, and Banuelos or Gonzalez and those two in a Padres uniform?

  106. Melkmanisinhotlanta July 15th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Oh yes go 8 and 4 Nova, oh and it’s demotion time because Cashdope rented two has beens (Garcia, Colon) that won’t be around after this season. Yes your demotion has meaning lmao.

  107. Melkmanisinhotlanta July 15th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Cash has to save face by demoting Nova and putting the teams future at risk using two rentals.

  108. upstate kate July 15th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    actually Nova didn’t miss 2 starts…he had 2 very successful starts in the minors…I doubt he forgot how to pitch while down there

  109. MTU July 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    So most people think it’s best not to offer quality prospects to obtain a
    #2/3 starter ?

    They would rather stand pat.

    Does anyone think that’s the Yankees position ?

    Colon or Hughes needs to show their old form and inspire confidence or I say the Yankees need to make a trade before the TD ends.

    If they don’t, under that scenario, even if they make the playoffs, they won’t stack up.

    Soriano is a big concern right now.

    Cashman is compiling a to do list.

    The line-up needs some fine tuning too.

  110. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    RadioKev-

    Nova now 1-1 with a 3.07 ERA at SWB. Terrible option for the starting Yankee rotation! LOL

  111. MTU July 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    If Colon and Hughes aren’t cutting it the Yankees will be missing #2/3
    type production not 4/5.

    That would be a problem.

    Someone has to fill that gap if it occurs ?

    It isn’t Nova.

  112. Erin July 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    New Post- Nunez: “I feel it’s another opportunity”

    :arrow:

  113. MTU July 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    New thread==>

  114. Abe Peteraham July 15th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    NuneZ is unbearable in the field.even his non official errors are anchors to our pitchers , hard to watch his minor league glove.

  115. Yankee Trader July 15th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    blake-

    Would you rather have perhaps Tex, Montero, and Banuelos or Gonzalez and those two in a Padres uniform?
    ————————————–
    So essentially you’re asking that the Yankees never sign Tex for $$$$ and get A-Gone for $$$ and trade Montero and Banuelos to the Padres for him. I’d have to sleep on that one. Gonzalez is a better overall hitter, especially with hitting the other way and BA, but Tex still produces in SLG%.

    I say no I wouldn’t make that deal. No sleep necessary.

  116. Nord July 15th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Colon is old, overweight and pitching magnificiently. But he is OLD. Put on the 15-day disabled list and let him do some more work on that barking hamstring and bring Nova back up.

    In other words, get Colon ready for the post-season, just like they did by doing surgery on A-Rod… The Yankees will probably be the wild card this year and they will need experience and talent to get through the playoffs.

  117. FeBuch July 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Who’s Juan Bautista? To quote Mets fans: “Joseeee! Jose! Jose! Jose!”

  118. blake July 15th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Would have been nice if Noesi hadn’t been used up last night…..that 1 inning start by Colon hurt.

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