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Hope CC acts like a cork in a bottle, and continues his streak of dominance.
Off for a while but as Yoda say-these questions 3 I have?
1. When is the “fighter” Mitre waived? Not soon enough?
2. Has Andruw Jones 2 homer outing from fastball pitches down the middle,from his ex-Brave teammate Reyes earned him a stay of execution?
3. Will Hughes hold the potentially Bautista-less Jays to less than his 2010 ERA mark of an ERA of 7.29 in the 4 games he faced them last year when he won 18 games?
MTU July 16th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Hope CC acts like a cork in a bottle, and continues his streak of dominance.
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He’s on his way to making no discussion about who the CY is.
MY-
I just hope his WHIPS, FIPs, WAR, and ERA+’s are good enough.
Otherwise he’ll have to hope that just winning a lot of games is good enough.
Have a great day.
Bring it CC.
I don’t get why everyone assumes that Montero is a lock to come up here and be different than most every other rookie – that is to say, that he’d absolutely rake and be great right off the bat. I’m in no rush to see him.
Unlike Pat, I do not see the Yankees trading Montero, though. Why? For who? If it was for a young ace, yes – but none of those guys are available and they won’t be. There’s no way Cashman would trade him just for some guy. The problem is this: every single year we have a problem with the rotation to the point we have to sign an “eh” vet or look to some no-risk pitchers to fill our holes. I felt going into this season that Hughes was a huge key for this team going forward because it would mean that’s one less spot in the rotation they had to worry about. Colon and Garcia, even if they keep up their fantastic years, are not long-term solutions. How long might they be with us? 1 more year? At most, I’d say. With the uncertainty surrounding Phil, though, the only ones guaranteed to be here in a few years are CC and AJ – and even then, he’s only going to be here for 2 more years after this one. CC can’t do it himself – they’ve got to find a youngish pitcher somewhere who can be a really reliable #2 type. Preferrably it would come from within because teams, as I said, are not trading their studs.
Before people start killing the Yankees (and I see it began in the last thread), can we wait and see first if they trade Montero? Calling them stupid for something they haven’t done is not fair.
Betsy,
Why does he have to “absolutely rake and be great right off the bat?”
All he has to do to contribute is be better than Martin. Given that Martin has been the worst offensive player in baseball since May, it wouldn’t take much from Montero to provide this team with an enormous offensive lift.
G-C, I don’t think there’s any point in arguing………I’m absolutely fine with Martin.
jnorris427 Josh Norris
Things I know, a #mets scout is making a special trip into Trenton this weekend.
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Hopefully, nobody’s stupid enough to put 1 and 1 together and come up with 11. NYYs are not giving up Romine, Betances or Banuelos for Beltran. Doubtful that Joesph would be that either unless it’s straight up.
Betsy,
How can you be fine with Martin?
He’s literally been the worst player in baseball since May.
Its indisputable that even if Montero OPSs .700 or so upon coming up (and its very likely he’d do better than that), he’d be more valuable than Martin.
There’s nothing the Yankees can find out about Phil Hughes in 2 or 3 starts that’s going to provide them with sufficient information to make an informed decision about whether they need to make a trade or not. Unfortunately, that’s all they are going to get. I still would go out and try and get a decent pitcher if possible because even if Hughes pitches well his next few starts, I don’t think I would count on him anyway. You really need to see a pitcher go through an extended stretch of pitching well to get an idea if he’s going to be reliable – you have to see his stuff, his pitches, how he adjusts, etc… The problem is, a decent pitcher is not going to help that much in the playoffs, if we get there. The team needs a very good pitcher to put behind CC, but again – they aren’t available.
G-C, I’ve already had this discussion with Rich a million times and we’ve gotten nowhere. I love the job he’s done with the staff (no, a few bad starts isn’t enough for me to dump on him now). Let’s put the blame on several players, NOT just Martin. Rich said Tex may be in decline -seriously, if true,. how pathetic is that? He’s only 28/29. There are other players in this lineup who need to be doing their job. A catchers job is primarily to handle the staff. If you disagree, that’s fine………………
If the Yankees thought Martin was enough of a problem, they’d try to remedy it. Clearly they do not think Montero is ready – and while some may not place any trust in the Yankees, I am. If he’s still down there, it’s for a reason. He has not had a great first half, he’s not that good defensively and he’s had issues. As I’ve said, I am fine with status quo at Catcher. Let’s deal with the real problems with a Yankees offense whose #3 hitter has been AWOL and who has proven to be overrated and not worth the huge contract he’s been given.
GB
There are always scouts at games. I saw a Mariners scout at a TY game charting the Tampa pitchers a few weeks ago. Josh Norris, while I appreciate all the news out of Trenton, is about as knowledgable of baseball specifics as I am.
I would consider giving up Romine for Beltran if the Yankees are unable to acquire a top starter at the deadline.
“I would consider giving up Romine for Beltran if the Yankees are unable to acquire a top starter at the deadline.”
I would too. You hope they haven’t closed the door on Beltran like the reports say, that would be massively stupid with the offensive inconsistency of this team.
Romine is too valuable to be used in a 2-3 month rental deal. He probably one of the top five catching prospects in the game.
Beltran is worth a Warren/Phelps caliber pitcher at most. Throw in Sublett or Adams if it makes ‘em happy. He’s just an upgrade, he doesn’t fill one of the major needs on the team.
I would never trade Romine for Beltran…….I have no interest in Beltran anyway. He’s injury prone – and since I absolutely would never sign him long-term, I would never give up anything of value. I don’t know why we need another OF for this year anyway – who are you going to sit? Not that that’s a reason why I don’t want to make the trade, but I don’t get the need for another OF. I’d be fine if we could make a trade for the pre-Yankees Tex.
Beltran would be on of the 3 best hitters on this team. If you can’t upgrade the pitching you have to upgrade other areas. He would be a huge boost to the lineup. He’s a difference maker.
Romine doesn’t have any one great skill. I would trade him for a difference maker.
not liking this lineup….something’s missing…..no alex no mojo
time to lengthen it….swish up 5th oh no……grandy in a power spot dammit
I don’t see the Yankees getting Beltran. They don’t need him enough to offer a high end guy and the Mets won’t be settling for B listers. Plenty of teams who actually need an outfielder are more likely to pony up.
Why are we assuming that Met scouts at Yankee games means the Yankees want Beltran.
Perhaps it’s Jason Bay who interests them!! LOL
LGY, I just don’t love him and I just would not trade anything of value for a rental. I agree with Mell – they don’t need him enough.
not liking this lineup….
mick. Why?
Tex batting righty.
Lefty pitcher going for Jays.
Day game.
Home run or nothing threat Jones back in the lineup.
Cervelli or Martin both throwing wildly and not hitting so that’s a wash.
Did anyone notice Karsten’s complete game, five hit shutout last night? Took him all of 83 pitches.
LGY, I wouldn’t trade Romine for Beltran, but I would trade him (and a couple of others) for Pence. At 34, and likely entering the downside of his career, I’m not interested in trading away potential top-end young talent away for him. However, I do agree that the Yanks need another impact bat, more than anything else.
I would trade Cervelli for Justin Upton.
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:09 am
not liking this lineup….
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He is dissing Po again….grandy 2nd is a waste…..if cano must bat 4th let grandy and tex bat 3 & 5 or vice versa….tex not a #3 anymore anyhow….wha happnd to swish 2nd or leadoff….confused
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 11:10 am
EDIT:
LGY, I wouldn’t trade Romine for Beltran, but I would trade Romine (and a couple of others) for Pence. At 34, and likely entering the downside of his career, I’m not interested in trading away potential top-end young talent away for Betran. On the other hand, Pence at 28 would be an acquistion that could help this team for years to come. Nevertheless, I agree that the Yanks need another impact bat, more than anything else.
I would trade Cervelli for Justin Upton.
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but TB won’t
Lesser is often better:
Get Reed Johnson for OF. Dump Jones
Get one of Jamey Carroll, Omar Infante, Jeff Keppinger for infield. Send Pena packing.
Free Jesus and send Cervelli with Pena on the plane home to AAA.
Spend one of Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, and a AA infielder for Mike Adams, or let George Kontos come up. Make Mitre disappear.
blake July 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I would trade Cervelli for Justin Upton.
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That works for me too. If only it were that simple…
mick July 16th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I would trade Cervelli for Justin Upton.
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but TB won’t
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BJ Upton plays for the Rays (and they can keep his slack ass).
Justin Upton plays for the D-Backs.
Ok–I have purposely not trashed the line-up much the past 3 games to see what would happen.
I’m back…But this needs more then jhust me. If you want the team to win, well..you’ll know what to do (George C. Scott as General Patton voice).
C will take care of today.
G-C July 16th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Betsy, Why does he have to “absolutely rake and be great right off the bat?” All he has to do to contribute is be better than Martin.
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Because if you are the Yankees highest rated prospect in years and you perform that way it will be a fail. This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee; “being better than Martin” is not going to cut it. This is New York.
I would trade Cervelli for Justin Upton.
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Hmm, the more I think about it , you might have to pull off a 3 way deal.
Cervelli to Rays, BJ Upton to Diamondbacks, Justin Upton to Yanks. Might have to sweeten the deal and include Mitre to the Rays!!
This is ridiculous—Is Girardi TRYING to lose?!?! Isn’t betting against your team still illegal in Canada?!?!
Jones should never be allowed on the field when they have Golson who can play LF or CF. If you want to rest Grandy, at least keep the defense solid. Defense has been killing us lately! Why downgrade?!?!?
And that goes double for Cervelli!
And when will Girardi learn to put Tex in 5th or 6th until he gets hot again?
These are the questions inquiring minds NEED TO KNOW!!!
Because if you are the Yankees highest rated prospect in years and you perform that way it will be a fail. This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee; “being better than Martin” is not going to cut it. This is New York.
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Say what?
If a 21 yr old Montero doesn’t rake right off the bat that’s a fail???
Bojo-
Andruw Jones is getting the start because he hit two, down the middle of the plate, fastballs for homers against his ex-teammate Reyes.
Romero will feed him a steady diet of off-speed stuff. If that’s done Jones should be good for the Golden Sombrero.
It’s mind boggling how absurd some comments were about Mitre, suggesting that he will be ok if Lord Rothschild works with him and he pitches more because he is a sinker-ball pitcher. Mitre is a lousy sinker-ball pitcher; he is terrible and throwing out trite, simplistic generic comments pulled from the internet is just laughable.
Mitre is awful, that’s it.
Some kid came up in ’51 wore #6 and was sent down.
Some kid came up in 1995 wore #2 and was sent down.
Shane Spencer came up in 1998 hit 10 home runs in a month and has to be headed to the hall of fame, right?
How a player performs ‘right away’ means nothing. It’s silly to think that it does.
Somebody is trolling again.
LGY July 16th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Because if you are the Yankees highest rated prospect in years and you perform that way it will be a fail. This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee; “being better than Martin” is not going to cut it. This is New York.
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Say what?
If a 21 yr old Montero doesn’t rake right off the bat that’s a fail???
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I’ll repeat for the dull among us. “Being better than Martin” is not going to cut it.”
Tom in N.J. July 16th, 2011 at 11:30 am
How a player performs ‘right away’ means nothing. It’s silly to think that it does.
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True. However, if you are bringing up somebody to be a shot in the arm, then you need him to perform. Still, the operable comparison on the question is whether he can give you more than the alternative, which is Martin. I think that he could be an upgrade over Martin. It would be worth a try to split playing time between the two for the remainder of the year.
“Being better than Martin” is not going to cut it”
Why not?
West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 11:22 am
“Because if you are the Yankees highest rated prospect in years and you perform that way it will be a fail.” Proof of this?? Lots of highly touted guys come up, struggle, and adapt (e.g. Alfonso Soriano).
“This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee;” Really? I wasn’t aware of that deal. When did it happen? Why did Lee leave? Why is MOntero back with the Yanks?
“‘“being better than Martin’ is not going to cut it.” Umm. Actually, that is the operable comparison.
” This is New York.” If he can make it there, he’ll make it anywhere…
I idea that the Astros would trade Pence, a guy hitting .320, for Romine is far overvaluing Romine. A successful major leaguer, an all star in fact, is not being traded for a AA catcher not even in the top 100 prospects.
So many have an opinion of prospects not shared elsewhere.
I explained it above. Because if that highly rated a prospect of the Yankees comes up and performs marginally better than hitting in the .220′s the proverbial crap will hit the fan. Perhaps you are not well versed yet at to what Yankee baseball in NYC is all about.
Which is why some of us want Montero here sooner than later. So he can adjust to ML pitching. No one here advocating for Montero that I can recall suggested he would “rake right away.”
My point, and some others among us, was that a learning curve would be necessary for him to really contribute during a stretch drive and in the postseason.
Which is entirely the opposite of what somebody here ad libbed: that those wanting him up assume he’s going to “rake” right away. So much for any sort of accuracy.
In case anyone thought the lineup vs a lefty is weird:
Ricky Romero:
vs. Left 140 14 37 8 1 4 10 18 3 30 0 0 .264 .360 .421 .782
vs. Right 313 33 69 15 0 9 32 27 3 71 7 4 .220 .289 .355 .643
Some kid came up in ’51 wore #6 and was sent down.
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Tom-Who was that? You mean #7, the great Micky Mantle.
For fun attached all Yankee retired numbers:
http://mlb.mlb.com/nyy/history/retired_numbers.jsp
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 11:38 am
“This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee;” Really? I wasn’t aware of that deal. When did it happen? Why did Lee leave? Why is MOntero back with the Yanks?
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I guess you don’t understand 3rd grade grammar and the meaning of the word “could”. I can’t help you there.
” This is New York.” If he can make it there, he’ll make it anywhere…
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yea dey love me everywhe-uh
austinmac July 16th, 2011 at 11:39 am
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That’s a bit of a strawman. I never suggested that it would be a straight up trade. I simply suggested that he could be included in the package. The Astros might go for it if we included a couple of our minor league pitchers (not named Banuelos, Bentances, or Nova).
YT,
http://www.halloffamememorabil.....10608.aspx
I now look forward to the games that Cervelli catches.
I’ll repeat for the dull among us. “Being better than Martin” is not going to cut it.”
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Put the crack pipe down pls.
the sophomoric sarcasms make me feel sorry for you, more than anything…& I mean that.
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Some kid came up in ’51 wore #6 and was sent down.
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he came up as #6
Put up your dukes: Sox pitchers have hit a lot of batters, 12 more than any other team. That stuff does not go unnoticed. The Orioles were peeved and threw at Ortiz last weekend. Other teams may retaliate, too.
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This is from Pete Abes site.
I’m surorised he was so candid about the RS.
jacksquat July 16th, 2011 at 11:40 am
In case anyone thought the lineup vs a lefty is weird:
Ricky Romero:
vs. Left 140 14 37 8 1 4 10 18 3 30 0 0 .264 .360 .421 .782
vs. Right 313 33 69 15 0 9 32 27 3 71 7 4 .220 .289 .355 .643
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All those numbers confuse and bewilder me. I am just a simple caveman, and while intrigued by your fancy “math-em-matics,” am frightened by how they are used to illustrate points that are foreign to me….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpIVEi2eiyc
Im also surprised.
West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 11:38 am
“This is a player that could bring you a Cliff Lee;” Really? I wasn’t aware of that deal. When did it happen? Why did Lee leave? Why is MOntero back with the Yanks?
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I guess you don’t understand 3rd grade grammar and the meaning of the word “could”. I can’t help you there.
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Your little hypothetical was put to the test last year. Cashman included him in the deal with Seattle, and the deal was repudiated at the last second in favor of their eventual trade with Texas. So, Montero could not and did not bring back Lee in a deal.
I guess Felix Doubront will be throwing at batters soon enough, then…
Tom
Clete Boyer, perhaps the greatest fielding 3rd baseman in NYY history wore #6
Not sure why Colorado would want to trade a young stud pitcher that’s got an $6MM AAV over the next three season with 2 team options built in.
Apparently Ubaldo’s a bit disgruntled and the Rockies mgmt is not happy about that. That sets off a flag for me. A small flag but a flag nonetheless.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
the sophomoric sarcasms make me feel sorry for you, more than anything…& I mean that.
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Who wass that directed at? There’s a lot of sophomoric sarcasms flying around this place today
Ubaldo Jimenez: “I feel like I can dominate again” (Sporting News)
Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.
Earlier this week, the New York Post reported Jimenez is angry that he has yet to be approached by the Rockies about an extension similar to the ones given to shortstop Troy Tulowitzki and outfielder Carlos Gonzalez.
Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.
“That’s crazy. Why would I hurt my team? I have told you before I wasn’t upset about that at all,” Jimenez told The Denver Post. “I didn’t pitch well early because of my thumb and groin (hip flexor) injury. I didn’t build up my arm strength in spring, so I didn’t have my velocity or breaking ball. That’s why I struggled. Right now, I feel like I can dominate again.”
Rockies general manager Dan O’Dowd echoed Jimenez’s comments.
“I don’t know where that’s coming from. That’s not even close to the truth,” O’Dowd told The Denver Post. “He’s as fine as a kid you will come across in this game.”
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ml.....z1SHeQLvPV
Whatever one wants to say about Cashman and the organization; I am quite sure they want to win. And do so without trading cost-controlled prospects if possible. So, if Montero was thought to be ready to contribute on the big league level he would be here. Obviously he is not.
He has not hit well this year and his defense is suspect and they may think he’s not ready and needs the everyday work in SWB. Many scouts don’t even see him as a catcher in the major leagues. He has already dropped in some prospect rankings, I think the Yankees might also be reluctant to being him up because if he does poorly, his trade value will be severely diminished.
So pick your poison. He is not ready skill wise to play in the show. Or they don’t want to potentially jeopardize his trade value.
mick-
My childhood idol. I should have known Mickey came up with the #6 but changed it his first year to #7.
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
the sophomoric sarcasms make me feel sorry for you, more than anything…& I mean that.
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Who wass that directed at? There’s a lot of sophomoric sarcasms flying around this place today
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Ghost, exactly who you think it was directed at
. But I don’t want to be confrontational. I did feel pity.
# West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Whatever one wants to say about Cashman and the organization; I am quite sure they want to win. And do so without trading cost-controlled prospects if possible. So, if Montero was thought to be ready to contribute on the big league level he would be here. Obviously he is not.
He has not hit well this year and his defense is suspect and they may think he’s not ready and needs the everyday work in SWB. Many scouts don’t even see him as a catcher in the major leagues. He has already dropped in some prospect rankings, I think the Yankees might also be reluctant to being him up because if he does poorly, his trade value will be severely diminished.
So pick your poison. He is not ready skill wise to play in the show. Or they don’t want to potentially jeopardize his trade value.
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again your in my head
Montero, in case some haven’t noted it, has been on the DL. He just got back. He may get a call up once he’s had a few games under his belt.
Ubaldo has great stuff but he hasn’t really been great since the first half of last year. He was alright during the 2nd half but he really has only been lights out for half of a season. Before that, he was pitching to high 4 ERAs in the NL. I remember seeing him pitch against the Cards in St. Louis and he wasn’t having a ton of success at that time.
Joeman,
He’s in my head too right now.
They definitely don’t want to jeopardize his trade value, that’s correct. We’ll probably see him post trade deadline if he’s still on this team. I think that’s a completely fair strategy. He does have expectations to live up to, so there’s no sense in putting him in the spotlight right now.
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Montero, in case some haven’t noted it, has been on the DL. He just got back. He may get a call up once he’s had a few games under his belt.
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your sure about this
YT,
From what I understand, Mantle was given #6 by the Yankees because he was thought of as the next line. Ruth was 3, Gehrig was 4, DiMaggio was 5, and Mantle was to be 6.
# Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Joeman,
He’s in my head too right now.
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LOL!!!!have to say one thing about the kid……different
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom
Clete Boyer, perhaps the greatest fielding 3rd baseman in NYY history wore #6
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J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Montero, in case some haven’t noted it, has been on the DL. He just got back. He may get a call up once he’s had a few games under his belt.
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I think that this is the most likely scenario. Once he shows that he’s ready to compete, I think that the Yanks might give him a look. The biggest thing that Martin has going for him is that Griardi is probably very much in his corner. I imagine that as an ex-catcher, Girardi probably has a lot of affection for a tough light-hitting defensively-minded catcher.
Radio, the sense lies in his bat actually being able to help our slumbering, slug-less offense. He needs to get up here & get started. It won’t come overnight, he’ll need some time to get ‘er going.
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Looks like I owe Bret an apology for questioning the validity of his reporting”Yankees have a chance at Rockies pitcher Jimenez” yesterday afternoon before the George King article came out in the NY Post this morning, stating almost exactly what Bret was posting.
Bret-Can’t hide it anymore-You’re George A King III.
No sir. I am NYYrumors on Twitter.
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom
Clete Boyer, perhaps the greatest fielding 3rd baseman in NYY history wore #6
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I never saw this Boyer fellow play, but I can’t imagine that he was any better than the guy who wore number 9, and played third for the Yanks in the late 70′s.
“Apparently Ubaldo’s a bit disgruntled and the Rockies mgmt is not happy about that. That sets off a flag for me. A small flag but a flag nonetheless.”
I made this point yesterday, and it should impact the offer any team makes for him.
Bojo-
OK rub it in!! Clete Boyer was still my favorite #6 NYY player, Mickey my favorite all-time NYY player!
Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.
Earlier this week, the New York Post reported Jimenez is angry that he has yet to be approached by the Rockies about an extension similar to the ones given to shortstop Troy Tulowitzki and outfielder Carlos Gonzalez.
Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt. (AP Photo)
“That’s crazy. Why would I hurt my team? I have told you before I wasn’t upset about that at all,” Jimenez told The Denver Post. “I didn’t pitch well early because of my thumb and groin (hip flexor) injury. I didn’t build up my arm strength in spring, so I didn’t have my velocity or breaking ball. That’s why I struggled. Right now, I feel like I can dominate again.”
Rockies general manager Dan O’Dowd echoed Jimenez’s comments.
“I don’t know where that’s coming from. That’s not even close to the truth,” O’Dowd told The Denver Post. “He’s as fine as a kid you will come across in this game.”
Recently, Jimenez has been linked to the Cincinnati Reds and Detroit Tigers in trade rumors. The Denver Post reports the Rockies will listen to offers for the 27-year-old righthander but would have to be blown away by an offer to consider dealing him.
After going 19-8 with a 2.88 ERA last season, Jimenez has struggled in 2011 (5-8, 4.08 ERA). However, he has pitched better recently and has a very team-friendly contract. He is under team control through the 2014 season and is set to earn $17.95 million from 2012-14.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ml.....z1SHeQLvPV
Looks like the Yankees front office floated the disgruntled comment to drive a wedge between O’dowd and his prospective price drivers.
Ghost, it does seem like Girardi may have a blind spot, but I’m sure he’d take Montero’s offense in his lineup.
I agree it’s the most likely scenario. Of course, if he doesn’t come up, especially with such a hole at catcher offensively, then some sort of deal is in the works. Either way, this team isn’t going to just sit pat. Montero coming up once and for all constitutes a “move.” And a dramatic one that could really, really help without creating holes in other areas.
BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom
Clete Boyer, perhaps the greatest fielding 3rd baseman in NYY history wore #6
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It makes a lot of sense that they would have assigned Mantle number 6, following Ruth, Gehrig, and Dimaggio. I wonder why the Yankee FO changed their minds.
I see how Montero could help this team, but there’s also the potential that he comes up and there’s an adjustment period for him, batting and behind the plate.
If I were Cashman, I would play it safe and keep Montero in my back pocket – just in case a trade that makes sense crops up. Don’t take the chance that he may struggle a little pre-trade deadline. Do it after. It will diminish his value if GMs don’t see him as an immediate impact player.
Craig Nettles was great, however when comparing to one of the best fielding 3rd baseman of all time-Brooks Robinson, IMHO, Boyer[Clete not Ken] was better.
If GB sees this post I’d like his opinion.
joeman July 16th, 2011 at 11:54 am
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Montero, in case some haven’t noted it, has been on the DL. He just got back. He may get a call up once he’s had a few games under his belt.
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your sure about this
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No, I’m not sure of anything they may or may not do. I’m not really even sure who’s calling the shots for this club. Thus the word “may.” I do think he’s nearing that “callup” time, though, unless they just don’t believe in him as a part of the future (from catching standpoint). If that’s not the case, then he may have been up earlier, if not for his DL stint. We’ll find out soon enough.
The post is total BS. Yet again, stating Jimenez’s numbers last year is deceiving. He was two different pitchers in the first half and second half. The average is not representative of who he is.
“If I were Cashman, I would play it safe and keep Montero in my back pocket – just in case a trade that makes sense crops up.”
What impact bat under 28 is going to be available?
Until later. Go Yankees!!
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom
Clete Boyer, perhaps the greatest fielding 3rd baseman in NYY history wore #6
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I never saw this Boyer fellow play, but I can’t imagine that he was any better than the guy who wore number 9, and played third for the Yanks in the late 70?s.
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Tough to compare. Boyer was a convrted SS and had great range to left or right….superb on bunts too.
Nettles IIRC played much deeper and may have had a stronger arm. Certainly had a better bat…
Defensively, I might take Boyer. Total package–Nettles
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Ghost, it does seem like Girardi may have a blind spot, but I’m sure he’d take Montero’s offense in his lineup.
I agree it’s the most likely scenario. Of course, if he doesn’t come up, especially with such a hole at catcher offensively, then some sort of deal is in the works. Either way, this team isn’t going to just sit pat. Montero coming up once and for all constitutes a “move.” And a dramatic one that could really, really help without creating holes in other areas.
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Another game from Nunez like the last two, and I think that we’ll be seeing Laird up here, posthaste. My money on an a Cashman move this year is on a utility infielder that can hit (e.g., Wigginton) if Chavez remains unavailable, and/or a bat for the bench. I don’t see them trading for a backstop in any event–they will either live with Martin, or give Montero a try.
I made this point yesterday, and it should impact the offer any team makes for him.
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And now that story is in dispute albeit it would obviously make sense for both parties to deny it.
By the way if Ubaldo gets traded I believe he can void the team option in 2014.
“Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.”
If he is as good as some here think, they should pay him. If they don’t, maybe he isn’t as good as some here think.
Trader, here are some uniform numbers…all of them in fact.
http://yankeenumbers.com/playerslist.asp?cmd=reset
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Bojo-
OK rub it in!! Clete Boyer was still my favorite #6 NYY player, Mickey my favorite all-time NYY player!
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I did get to see Mickey often in the 80′s…he was a very good friend of a older friend of mine back then & use to come to Waterbury Ct a lot to play golf & have a few…The one thing that stuck in my mind about him was he once said he couldn’t understand why people were always falling all over him, I’m just a regular guy from the midwest
YT, Boyer holds an exalted place with the older members of my family, & I think that’s the norm for the previous two generations. They’re very descriptive about him. Listening to them, you’d take Boyer on defense, but they also say he couldn’t hit a curveball. Never saw him play, so…
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
joeman July 16th, 2011 at 11:54 am
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Montero, in case some haven’t noted it, has been on the DL. He just got back. He may get a call up once he’s had a few games under his belt.
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your sure about this
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No, I’m not sure of anything they may or may not do. I’m not really even sure who’s calling the shots for this club. Thus the word “may.” I do think he’s nearing that “callup” time, though, unless they just don’t believe in him as a part of the future (from catching standpoint). If that’s not the case, then he may have been up earlier, if not for his DL stint. We’ll find out soon enough.
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have to believe something will be done with him one way or the other soon
The last player to wear #7 before Mantle? Cliff Mapes.
Mickey had the Andruw smile before Andruw.
Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
“Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.”
If he is as good as some here think, they should pay him. If they don’t, maybe he isn’t as good as some here think.
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I get the distinct impression that Jimenez is one of those guys who is playing for a big contract, and won’t be very good once he gets it. I would pass on this guy, even though he’s been pretty terrific since he hit the big leagues a few years ago.
What’s that got to do with anything? Jimenez said so himself he isn’t “disgruntled”. That rumor leaked out purposely in my opinion. And it was the Yankees who floated it because they wanted to shoot down pricer drivers that O’Dowd might’ve tried to use to inflate the price of Jimenez beyond where the Yankees are willing to pay.
The diving plays that Nettles made in the WS were regular type plays Boyer made all the time. He was great diving to his left or right, and quick as a cat in recovering and making accurate throws. I agree it was close between him and Brooks Robinson defensively…
So does anybody know why they wound up givng Mantle number 7, instead of number 6?
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
“Colorado Rockies righthander Ubaldo Jimenez doesn’t appreciate the accusation that he is pouting about not getting a contract extension and that his attitude might lead to him being dealt.”
If he is as good as some here think, they should pay him. If they don’t, maybe he isn’t as good as some here think.
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I get the distinct impression that Jimenez is one of those guys who is playing for a big contract, and won’t be very good once he gets it. I would pass on this guy, even though he’s been pretty terrific since he hit the big leagues a few years ago.
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I don’t get that sense. I think he could be pretty good, but will cost a fortune in talent to acquire. If it could be done with Betances, I might sign up for it.
The fact that O’Dowd responded the very next day following the rumors of his merchandise being questionable, in the national press no less (rather than the Denver Post), speaks volumes about the reality of trade negotiations being in progress.
BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
The diving plays that Nettles made in the WS were regular type plays Boyer made all the time. He was great diving to his left or right, and quick as a cat in recovering and making accurate throws. I agree it was close between him and Brooks Robinson defensively…
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For my money, Robinson and Nettles were the two best third basemen that I ever saw. If Boyer could out-Nettles Nettles, then he must have been great!
I draw a line in the sand at Lance Pendleton……anybody better than him is off limits.
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
So does anybody know why they wound up givng Mantle number 7, instead of number 6?
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Bobby Brown was gone when Mantle first got it, but reclaimed it when Mickey was sent out.
Betances is not only going to be a dominant power righthander, he also gets lefties out. I’m not trading that kid for nobody.
Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
What’s that got to do with anything? Jimenez said so himself he isn’t “disgruntled”.
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What does that prove?
BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Mickey had the Andruw smile before Andruw.
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I don’t know why, but I really find the Andruw smile creepy.
Martin’s offense wouldn’t be such a problem if we could hide him at the bottom of the order, but he’s been hitting as high as sixth recently. I don’t know where, but the Yankees are going to have to improve the offense. The batting averages down the line are ridiculous
“Betances is not only going to be a dominant power righthander, he also gets lefties out. I’m not trading that kid for nobody.”
I hope so……but there is a chance he never amounts to anything……actually the chances of that are probably greater than him becoming a legit 1 or 2 starter in the big leagues. I certainly hope he does though and he does have a chance to do that…..that’s all you want from a young player is the chance at greatness.
Ghost, Bobby Brown had always worn #6 and Mantle gott the number when Brown was called to active duty in Korea. Brown, by the way was saving lives even before becoming a heart surgeon. He and a friend swam out and saved a coast guardsman’s life after his seaplane crashed.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Betances is not only going to be a dominant power righthander, he also gets lefties out. I’m not trading that kid for nobody.
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Meant to say with keeping Betances. I agree that he is the keeper of all the prospects we have.
GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Ghost, Bobby Brown had always worn #6 and Mantle gott the number when Brown was called to active duty in Korea. Brown, by the way was saving lives even before becoming a heart surgeon. He and a friend swam out and saved a coast guardsman’s life after his seaplane crashed.
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Thanks! I knew that must have been an interesting back story on the switch. Vrey cool info about Brown. I now kind of wonder if Brown in any way inspired the “Moonlight” Graham character in “Field of Dreams”… With the obvious difference that ‘ol Moonlight only had 1 AB in the big leagues.
Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
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Ghost, Bobby Brown had always worn #6 and Mantle gott the number when Brown was called to active duty in Korea. Brown, by the way was saving lives even before becoming a heart surgeon. He and a friend swam out and saved a coast guardsman’s life after his seaplane crashed.
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Thanks! I knew that must have been an interesting back story on the switch. Vrey cool info about Brown. I now kind of wonder if Brown in any way inspired the “Moonlight” Graham character in “Field of Dreams”… With the obvious difference that ‘ol Moonlight only had 1 appearnce (with 0 ABs) in the big leagues.
I will say, the Yankee scouts really do seem to know what they’re doing, we’ve got a nice group of finds as of late. If they believe Jimenez is the real deal, I guess I can’t argue much with that.
What I will say is that he’s got a full season of less than stellar results since pitching that amazing first half last season. His velocity has diminished some what too. He’s also had past shoulder issues, I believe.
He’s just not a sure thing, and should not be billed as such. That’s why I’m whole heartedly opposed to trading a package of guys like Montero, Betances, or Banuelos, along with a Nova, a Hughes, a Warren, a Nunez or who have you. Trading a whole group of well touted prospects for a guy that isn’t even a sure thing is, to me, alarming.
blake July 16th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
“Betances is not only going to be a dominant power righthander, he also gets lefties out. I’m not trading that kid for nobody.”
I hope so……but there is a chance he never amounts to anything……actually the chances of that are probably greater than him becoming a legit 1 or 2 starter in the big leagues. I certainly hope he does though and he does have a chance to do that…..that’s all you want from a young player is the chance at greatness.
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I don’t see anything stopping him other than having unforseen health problems. Of course, you never know, but he’s close enough to the majors that some of the guesswork has been removed by him already being filled out physically & already throwing like 4 highly effective pitches (mainly off the exceptional FB & CB).
They pushed his start back to Monday. Maybe they’re trying to save some bullets & will blow everybody’s mind by bringing him up later in the season. He is on the 40-man