Once there was a way to get back homeward
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 16, 2011 
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It feels incredibly early right now. The Yankees have day games in Toronto today and tomorrow, then they open a four-game set in Tampa on Monday. The lineup should be posted fairly soon, so let’s start this morning with something really light.
Here are some AP shots of Paul McCartney’s first show at Yankee Stadium. He apparently closed last night’s show with the last three songs of the Abbey Road medley – the headline comes from Golden Slumbers — and he gave a funny little tribute to Derek Jeter.
“And by the way,” McCartney said, “who is this Derek Jeter guy? Somebody said he’s got more hits than me.”
Associated Press photos
Doncha just hate it when Millionaires rib other Millionaires.
Kinda makes ya’ feel left out.
Always liked McCartney.
Its kinda incredible what McArtney is still doing at his age…….he could be just laying around drinking beer like GB7 and MTU
Seeing him play that old bass guitar brings back memories…
McCartney was the original VW. A real super Beatle.
McCartney would pitch better than Mitre!
Blake-
I’ll be coming up there one day for some of that sippin’ whiskey too.
Make sure you save me some.
MTU,
Sure man…..ill save you the good stuff.
eems to be really pushing Melky for a trade too. Nice bat to have vs Boston…WOuldn’t mind him back either if we can’t get Beltran. He replaces Jones.
***KC seems***
Blake-
Off to the high country today.
Let’s hope CC plays cork-in-bottle. We need it.
I anxiously await Hughes new POWER curve.
Boy Mitre has been terrible…..I liked that pickup because he was ok last year as a mop up guy or long reliever…….but he just can’t throw a clean inning to save his life. They’ll stick with him though……just gotta hope Girardi keeps him out of meaningful situations.
Have a great one MTU!
MTU,
Im off to Dollywood today…..to overpay for things way more than Cashman ever could
Bojo-
Why don’t you come along ? We’ll only be at 10,000 feet.
Just like a walk in the park.
blake July 16th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Boy Mitre has been terrible…..I liked that pickup because he was ok last year as a mop up guy or long reliever…….but he just can’t throw a clean inning to save his life. They’ll stick with him though……just gotta hope Girardi keeps him out of meaningful situations.
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I’d rather use him for mop up role than waste a prospect there. It is a lousy role. And before passing judgment on him, I’d like to see what Rothschild can do with him to turn him around. I still think it is the classic story of sinkerball pitchers needing work to keep their arms tired and get the sink on the ball. When too strong, they stay up in the zone–which is the problem he seems to have right now.
George King, NY Post article this morning on trading Montero for Jimenez of the Colorado Rockies, I would do that in a heartbeat…..
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..B8TNxgj7KI
Blake-
That sounds like fun. Don’t let GB know. He’ll try to tag along.
MTU July 16th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Bojo-
Why don’t you come along ? We’ll only be at 10,000 feet.
Just like a walk in the park.
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The only way 10,000 feet would entice me is if they were on 5,000 beauty queens.
Bojo,
That’s possible and is likely their thinking as well. You don’t want to burn anybody good in a mop up role…..their is no consistency when you pitch and its difficult to stay in a routine……problem is is that’s kinda the worst role for a sinkerballer who needs regular work to stay sharp.
Keith-
The Rockies are gonna want too much for U-Jim.
Montero won’t be enough and I don’t think we empty the farm for him.
If we want to do that let’s get a Felix-quality guy.
None available.
MTU,
He would just get disappointed…dolly isn’t really there
Blake-
Guess she left the building. Like Elvis.
You could substitute Ann Margaret.
We know Mitre can’t pitch…..but can he sing “Yesterday?”
George King has low credibility in my book…going frantic after 2 bad rehad starts from Colon and 1 bad Garcia start. What a tool.
Bojo-
Watch the change of mood around here if YMH happens to wow the audience.
Manic-depression.
Maybe Girardi is a poor judge of talent and shouldn’t have any input in roster construction.
Trading Montero with the holes in this offense would be scary stupid.
MTU,
We are driving to Colorado. In Taos at the moment. Interesting town. Getting ready formy 10000 feet. My wife is opposed to the 5000 women idea of Bojo’s.
The Yankees still need a hitter and a good SP.
I don’t think I would trade Montero for Ubaldo. A package built around Betances would be my limit…..and that probably doesn’t get it done.
Rich-
Maybe but I can tell you that if the right deal comes along he’s gone.
It probably won’t though.
Austin-
I lived in NM for 7 years. It’s my 2nd favorite place to where I am now.
Taos is beautiful but the Red River/Cimmaron area is even nicer IMO.
I would love to see those things for the right price. Don’t know if we will. Don’t want the Yanks to make any foolish moves.
Have a great time. Tell your wife I’m really not all that bad.
Take lot’s of photos.
MTU
There is no right deal given the makeup and age of the 25 man roster.
Nunez and Phelps plus taking the salary for Beltran…..is that too much? Would another team top that? And would it be worth it? Nunez would certainly appeal to the Mets as Reyes insurance…..
Rich-
I understand where you’re coming from but I doubt the Yankees brass agrees.
Anyone is available in the right deal.
If you want to keep Jesus you better hope it doesn’t come along.
Ubaldo Jimenez’s stuff is intoxicatingly good when he’s on, but I’ve mentioned before, he’s an inconsistent pitcher. He really isn’t a guy that you can could give the ball and depend on it seems. Maybe one day he will be, but you wouldn’t be trading for a sure thing.
I’d hold on to the big prospects, and see if we could get a deal done for Matt Garza for a bit less.
Blake-
Way too much for a rental IMO.
Maybe Phelps by himself and that would be stretching it.
Golden Slumbers are filling my eyes…think I’ll sleep a little more. Enjoy the day folks!
MTU,
We may drive through there this morning. I skied I’m Red River a long time ago.
I agree any deal must be a good one. I have Montero doubts, but love the two Bs. I
Can’t over look doing something about the hot and cold (when good pitchers are on the mound) offense as well as pitching needs. C mon cashman do.something
MTU
Then they’re incompetent and should do something else for a living.
We don’t know that A-Rod can stay healthy or that his power will ever be the same.
Teix may be in decline.
Jeter is no longer an offensive force.
Cano and maybe Granderson will be offensive forces, but not the kind that scares the living you know what out of a pitcher.
That’s what they need. They only have one possible candidate.
And btw, the current catcher can’t hit at all.
Garza isn’t much better than what they already have. Ubaldo has been pretty good for 3 straight years and had been on a steady uphill climb until the slow start this year.
MTU,
Probably so…..
Garza’s K rates are up this year, he can blank teams, and he probably commands less prospect. On a deal basis I think he could be a more suitable contributor. He also has post season experience.
Good morning sunshine!!
Looks like I owe Bret an apology for questioning the validity of his reporting”Yankees have a chance at Rockies pitcher Jiminez” yesterday afternoon before the George King article came out in the NY Post this morning, stating almost exactly what Bret was posting.
Bret-Can’t hide it anymore-You’re George A King III.
Attaching article: If it won’t attach I’ll copy-
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....DjPDiVrzzK
I was at Sir Paul’s show last night and to describe it in one word…FANTASTIC!!!! Talk about a crowd being into it …everyone singing along with song after fabulous song. His sense of humor is still as sharp as ever and he looked terrific. He didn’t stop for 2 straight hours then did a few encores. The snippet about DJ brought the house down …lots of laughs and cheers. Huge fireworks display during “Live & Let Die” was amazing. His tributes to John and George were beautiful. 69 and still rocking that stage like he was 20 ….LOVED IT !!!!
Now I want to see the Yankees start rocking the ballfield …rocking it for us that is …not the OTHER team.
Go Yankees 2011 !!!
Radiokev,
The cubs aren’t trading Garza cheaply……they gave up a lot to get him and he’s fairly cheap. They will look to deal Zambrano or Dempster and a package for Garza would cost much more than he’s worth IMO. If you’re going to part with elite players then you want better now.and better potential than him…..
If George King “reports’ something, it’s a near certainty that it’s not true.
YT-
The Rox are just trolling to see who bites.
Trying to gauge U-Jim’s value.
Like Mell said the other day. It would take a Godfather type deal to land him.
That is highly unlikely IMO.
Now if it was Felix.
OOPS I meant “Good Day Sunshine”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC43A18VGXk
Also….Garza’s K rate is likely up because he’s now facing some pitchers.
No trade is better than a bad trade.
AND Good Morning Good Morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmid9MlFSw
The only trade I would include Montero in with the Rockies is Troy Tulowitzki.
If they want to talk, fine. If not, there’s nothing to talk about.
Like Mell said the other day. It would take a Godfather type deal to land him.
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MTU & Mell:
Well then send one member of either of these families to Colorado and make it happen!!
The Colombo’s, The Genovese’s, The Luchese’s, The DeValvacante’s, The Bonanno’s
Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Trading Montero with the holes in this offense would be scary stupid.
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I can’t figure that one out, either. I’m not sure what folks think we’re doing for a young, game changing offensive power bat moving into the immediate future and beyond to complement Cano if this guy goes. The need is GREATER than a No. 2 starter, because there’s not guarantee that said starter will produce a championship, & we have two guys in the system who fill the bill & are just around the corner.
Even if that “two” guy would result in a title, once the champagne dries & the high wears off, it’ll finally set in that the big stud is out of the barn & the lineup is another year older. The system does not have anyone currently that can be that guy if Montero leaves.
Here’s one thing that I never really bought because I couldn’t believe we’d do this for a reliever. But this made me feel better this morning, assuming it is true:
“Royals’ officials also say, privately, there have never been any upper-level talks with the Yankees about Soria. Not last winter; not recently — despite a rumor mill that continues to grind while pointing to catchers Jesus Montero or Gary Sanchez as acquisition targets.”
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011.....z1SGwHW9Km
Pruf
I fear that Levine becomes the GM whenever he feels like it.
My guess – Montero, Betances and one of the Phelps, Warren, Noesi, Mitchell group gets Ubaldo here.
Pictures of Ubaldo’s rookie cards. Has he added pure muscle to his physique and forearms. Power of chemistry?
http://www.google.com/search?q.....d=0CH8QsAQ
Forget Jimenez, COL would want the moon for him and he has had one-half of a great season that COL will try to sell as indicative of his talent level. I wouldn’t touch him.
Why the hell is NY even contemplating moving Montero for anyone not offense releated is just beyond me. Can they not see the roster construction, the age of the core guys, the overall lack of offense, can they not see that Martin isn’t an everyday catcher??
And why the hell is NYY saying they are not interested in Beltran? Wouldn’t he help? Couldn’t he be used as a RH DH and as a 3/4 OF for Gardner or Swisher on occasion?
The only Killer “B” I’m trading is Brackman.
Brackman’s stock has fallen so low he is no longer worthy of being called a killer B.
If Beltran were acquired, & I highly doubt it, he’s your starting left fielder. He can play some right for us, too, but he’s not playing behind either Gardner or Swisher if he’s here.
blake July 16th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Radiokev,
The cubs aren’t trading Garza cheaply……they gave up a lot to get him and he’s fairly cheap. They will look to deal Zambrano or Dempster and a package for Garza would cost much more than he’s worth IMO. If you’re going to part with elite players then you want better now.and better potential than him…..
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I don’t recall the package they sent for him. However, Garza still wouldn’t command as much as Jimenez. Jimenez is even cheaper, and people perceive him as a much greater pitcher. Also, Garza’s K rates may be up due to facing pitchers, but he’s got 9.3 K/9. That’s better than Jimenez.
My point is, I’m not making either of Betances or Banuelos available.
“Why the hell is NY even contemplating moving Montero for anyone not offense releated is just beyond me.”
Because they’re not very bright.
Garza is a little home run prone for me, but I like his game. Still wouldn’t give up anything significant for him. Ubaldo you’d give up something (but not the Big Three or Sanchez).
Chip-
I’m not a prospect-hugger by any means but that’s just too much for U-Jim IMHO.
One maybe but both no way.
I’m not trading Montero for any pitcher other than a young bonified ACE, which in my book is King Felix, Kershaw and Verlander. Hernandez has stated in a spanish paper that he wants to remain a Mariner.
Otherwise I’d want another young stud position player if I’m including Montero in a package deal-A Mike Stanton, Justin Upton type.
Would a package of Cervelli, Vazquez, Warren, and Parazz get it done to get Beltran ? The Mets get $8M of salary relief for the rest of the year and will lose Beltran anyway after this season.
Beltran gives the Yankees flexability at the 2 OF corners plus as a DH.
Why the hell is NY even contemplating moving Montero for anyone not offense releated is just beyond me. Can they not see the roster construction, the age of the core guys, the overall lack of offense, can they not see that Martin isn’t an everyday catcher??
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I’ll be interested to see now that Montero is back playing how long it takes for a callup. I’ll suspend judgment for a little while here & give them a chance to see the light.
YT-
I hope Felix enjoys toiling in obscurity (sorry Rosy).
I hate to say this but I’m concerned that Hughes success will determine Montero’s future as a Yankee.
If Hughes continues in his mediocrity, NYY will feel it necessary to get a #2 pitcher and inevitably Montero will be included in the package to get him.
I really wish Cashman would draw a line in the sand and say I have (4) guys that are untouchable, period….Montero, Banuelos, Betances and right now, G. Sanchez.
I’m willing to move anyone else, in the right deal, but the days of NY over-paying are over.
108-
Warren should be more than enough. Too much maybe for a rental and salary relief.
I’m thinking Kontos is fair.
Cashman’s philosophy is that any player can be moved in the right deal.
He’ll always listen.
If Hughes continues in his mediocrity, NYY will feel it necessary to get a #2 pitcher and inevitably Montero will be included in the package to get him.
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I still believe that Phil Hughes will bounce back. His last start wasn’t a disaster or anything, it was certainly underwhelming. I think he can step it up this time around.
Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Pruf
I fear that Levine becomes the GM whenever he feels like it.
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Well if that’s the case then we have the wrong ownership. It’s their flippin’ team.
Radio, He rounds in shape for us, he won’t be dragging in October like last year. He was balls against the Twins & then appeared to run out of gas. He’s had a nice rest.
JAP-
Levine doesn’t tell the Steins what to do. Other way around.
If Levine gets his way it’s with their consent. And with their consent only.
I really wish Cashman would draw a line in the sand and say I have (4) guys that are untouchable, period….Montero, Banuelos, Betances and right now, G. Sanchez.
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Couldn’t agree more.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Radio, He rounds in shape for us, he won’t be dragging in October like last year. He was balls against the Twins & then appeared to run out of gas. He’s had a nice res
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I agree. People have completely thrown that start out the window because it doesn’t fit into the “Phil Hughes sucked in the second half story.” The guy isn’t a bust, he just threw a lot of innings last year.
For those of you who like Matt Garza here’s an interesting article written when he was at 75 innings pitched. Flyball rates and homerun rates were down:
http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=10671
MTU July 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
JAP-
Levine doesn’t tell the Steins what to do. Other way around.
If Levine gets his way it’s with their consent. And with their consent only.
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Now how do we know this?Is Levine George’s love child or something?
Sorry Phil Hughes last start was shakey, I was not impressed, he had several hard hit balls that found Yankee gloves, otherwise he gives up a 5 spot.
I am as big a fan of Hughes as anybody but he needs to step up and step up in the next two starts in order to convince NY not to pull some knee-jerk trade to get a #2 starter.
NYY should recognize it is a piss poor market for buyers of SP and concentrate on getting hitters right now. There is no #1 on the market,, there are arguably few #2 on the market and these can only be had by emptying the farm.. and the incremental value these #2′s will have on NY’s fortunes in 2011 vs. mortgaging their offensive future for years on end (giving up Montero) will not be enough to offset what it wwill mean to this franchise for the next 10 years…. IMO.
Kev-
I’m looking for steady improvement. Can’t say exactly how long it takes to return to form. No idea how much rope the Yanks give him either.
Let’s see what the new old curve and changed mechanics yield.
I really wish Cashman would draw a line in the sand and say I have (4) guys that are untouchable, period….Montero, Banuelos, Betances and right now, G. Sanchez
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Be nice the future, but sure does limit the quality of what you may be getting in trade.
A GM should always listen for proposals. So many here believe Montero iis a game changer, but no one knows if he can catch in the majors. If he can’t, just where does he play?
If he can’t catch, and I can’t say, he has far less value than attributed to him.
JAP-
Because he is Levine’s employer. He serves at the behest of the owner
not the other way around.
Do you really think Levine over ruled Cashman on Soriano w/o Stein signing off on the decision ?
MTU
Levine doesn’t tell the Steins what to do. Other way around.
If Levine gets his way it’s with their consent. And with their consent only.
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They trust his judgment because they think he makes them money.
But if you’re right, then the Steins are stupid too.
And when I say they are stupid, it’s in terms of building a team that is guided by baseball-first judgments.
Thanks to George, they know how to make money by just waking up in the morning.
I wouldnt trade any of those players lightly…..but drawing lines in the sand is probably nit th best route either……should they have drawn a line in the sand on Joba for Dan Haren? Never deal in absolutes.
MTU, I don’t understand why Cashman would read George the riot act and get guaranteed autonomy from him as a condition to remain GM, and then get slapped around by the Brothers Hal & Hank. Neither breathes fire like George. Why does Cashman put up with them? Or is he in some place of existential indifference & calmly plotting his escape, any way?
Levine is just a suit. How can he possibly bring anything of depth to the table??
Rich keeps repeating this as if he has some inside info. If that’s so, & that clown is running the ship, we’re all wasting our hopes.
Did Cash really draw a line in the sand regarding Joba for Dan Haren? What are the facts here?
Or was ARI too stupid to not recognize that NYY offer for Haren was better than ANA’?
Smart move in retrospect giving up Haren for Saunders…maybe that is part of the reason ARI got a new GM…
Rich-
They may seek his counsel, or hear his say but it’s their team.
They aren’t bending over for Levine. They know perfectly well how to run a buisness. At least I think Hal does.
Cashman’s opinion carries weight too. You win some and lose some in yankee land.
The less that buffoon (levine) gets his way the better as far as I’m concerned.
If they keep over ruling Cashman he’s gonna walk.
I couldn’t blame him under those circumstances.
The perceived knowledge of some here of the inner workings of the Yankees is mind numbing.
JAP-
You make good points and the answer to your question is contained in
my 9:47 post.
If they keep screwing with Brian he’ll move on.
They did make a comittment to him. They just overrode it.
I wouldn’t imagine he’d keep letting that happen especially when we see the result in Soriano.
108 stitches July 16th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Would a package of Cervelli, Vazquez, Warren, and Parazz get it done to get Beltran ?
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Yes, plus taking on the 8M as you said. However there is a cheaper option that might only require Vazquez and who in a limited role hits lefties much better than Beltran, is a FA also and a very good OF defender. Read attached if you want to see the split stats of who i’m referring to:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7118/splits
MY-
They are just opinions. You know that. That’s pretty much all we deal in around here anyway.
Nobody really knows for sure.
We all speculate.
MTU July 16th, 2011 at 9:40 am
JAP-
Because he is Levine’s employer. He serves at the behest of the owner
not the other way around.
Do you really think Levine over ruled Cashman on Soriano w/o Stein signing off on the decision ?
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No, but that was money (& a first rounder). I can’t see Levine trumping Cashman on guys with top 20 status if Cashman is firm on keeping them. I can’t see Cashman putting up with that, considering his my way or the highway ultimatum to George. It does not follow.
JAP-
Read my post. You’re preaching to the choir. I don’t think he will.
Continue to put up with it, that is.
If Cashman leaves, do you want the GM, whose contract is up, and traded the Yankees their 2011 MVP? Dave Dombrowski? Not me! “The grass isn’t always greener……”
f they keep screwing with Brian he’ll move on.
They did make a comittment to him. They just overrode it.
I wouldn’t imagine he’d keep letting that happen especially when we see the result in Soriano.
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MTU, Cashman did go through a period that the psychologists might even call “manic episodes” where he spoke rather recklessly to the media. Now, I don’t really think he’s manic depressive, I’m joking of course, but he often had the air of someone who has reached a state of indifference or inner freedom. Some of us have been there professionally, & I thought I recognized those signs.
“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose,” after all. It could be Cashman no longer cares to fight back & has a secret life away from the Yankees already planned.
Doesn’t make me feel good as a Yankee fan, needless to say.
Would a package of Cervelli, Vazquez, Warren, and Parazz get it done to get Beltran
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Doubt it. No outstanding prospects in the lot and only Warren stands to be a solid contributor at the big league level. Mets aren’t salary dumping with Beltran. They want something useful. They’ve got plenty of #4 starters. Not sure they need another in Warren and the rest of the guys top out at bench players.
**traded to the Yankees**
MTU
Some take it beyond speculation.
JAP-
same here. I like what him and his team have done with the farm.
MY-
Well unless they know Mgmnt. personally, or have inside sources that’s all it is.
MaineYankee July 16th, 2011 at 9:49 am
The perceived knowledge of some here of the inner workings of the Yankees is mind numbing.
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I thought most of us were expressing frustration at NOT really knowing the inner workings….???
If Cashman leaves, do you want the GM, whose contract is up, and traded the Yankees their 2011 MVP?
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Yankees 2011 MVP is Sabathia. That aside, who wanted Cashman when he was hired? Who wanted Joe Torre? I’m not advocating a change at the GM position, as I think Cashman has done well, but if they do make a change, I see no reason to fear change either. It’s worked out well for the Yankees in the past.
Mell-
Fear the Beard.
Jeez. Just read my last post. Maybe with some coffee, I’ll be able to effectively use pronouns.
New thread ==>
Off for a while but as Yoda say-these questions 3 I have?
1. When is the “fighter” Mitre waived? Not soon enough?
2. Has Andruw Jones 2 homer outing from fastball pitches down the middle,from his ex-Brave teammate Reyes earned him a stay of execution?
3. Will Hughes hold the potentially Bautista-less Jays to less than his 2010 ERA mark of an ERA of 7.29 in the 4 games he faced them last year when he won 18 games?
J. Alfred Prufrock July 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
MaineYankee July 16th, 2011 at 9:49 am
The perceived knowledge of some here of the inner workings of the Yankees is mind numbing.
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I thought most of us were expressing frustration at NOT really knowing the inner workings….???
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Why would they let that kind of information out?