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Pregame notes: Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the sign?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

From the very moment that Russell Martin suggested the Blue Jays were stealing signs on Thursday, the Yankees have insisted that sign stealing is perfectly fair as long as it takes place between the lines. A player on base reading signs and relaying information is fair game.

This morning, though, Joe Girardi implied that the Blue Jays sign stealing goes behind head gestures from second base.

“I don’t really want to get into it,” Girardi said. “Signs are coveted. Anywhere that you play in the game, you have to protect your signs. Sometimes we have inclinations that things might be happening in certain ballparks that we’re aware of, and we try to protect our signs… I’ve told the guys, there’s things you have to do in certain ballparks.”

This was in response to a question about why the Yankees were using multiple signs last night, even without runners on base. Why would it be necessary to flash multiple signs when there’s no base runner to read them? Asked if there’s a chance the signs are being gathered off the field, Girardi gave a cryptic, “Could be.”

“I’m not accusing anyone,” Giardi said. “I just said we need to protect our signs. You have to take pride in it, and you have to be smarter than the other club when you do things and you have to change things up. You have to be willing to do those things.”

Of course, Blue Jays manager John Farrell denied any sort of off-the-field activity, and brought up the fact that his team is still trying to get above .500 at home. He seemed more confused that anything about the implication.

“Honestly, why that would even come about, I don’t know,” Farrell said. “We play this game to compete and prepare every day, and we don’t look to any other means than what takes place between the lines.”

Here’s Girardi

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• Rafael Soriano is throwing live batting practice today, but Girardi wasn’t sure when. If that goes well, Soriano could be cleared for a rehab assignment next week.

• Girardi said Eric Chavez is also taking steps forward. “He’s taking ground balls, and he’s taking BP, so he’s done okay,” Girardi said. “Hopefully we can get him in a game pretty soon too. I can’t tell you when, but it would be nice to get him in a game soon.”

• Damaso Marte is throwing bullpens now. Pedro Feliciano is playing catch again.

• Russell Martin is sitting because it’s a day game after a night game. Curtis Granderson is the DH to rest his legs on this turf. “This is the third of eight days, and you’ll see us do this a little bit,” Girardi said.

• Lefties have hit Ricky Romero better than righties, so Girardi didn’t want to take either Brett Gardner or Granderson out of the lineup. Could be because Romero has such a good changeup. That pitch is usually helpful in a left-hander neutralizing right-handed hitters (and vice versa).

• Girardi said he’d have to check with Hector Noesi before knowing whether he’s available, but he doesn’t expect Sergio Mitre to be available today. Mitre has struggled the past two nights. “He just doesn’t have the velocity and the sink that he had, and I can’t tell you exactly why,” Girardi said. “We’re looking at things and we’re trying to work on it.”

• Jose Bautista is once again out of the Blue Jays lineup.

• If you haven’t seen it, George King has reported that the Yankees have scouts watching Ubaldo Jimenez, as well as several other potentially available pitchers. As always with Brian Cashman, it’s hard to say whether this is legitimate interest or part of Cashman’s usual diligence in checking every possible option.

• Derek Jeter got a kick out of hearing about Paul McCartney’s “more hits than me” line from last night’s concert.

BLUE JAYS
Rajai Davis CF
Eric Thames RF
Yunel Escobar SS
Adam Lind 1B
Edwin Encarnacion DH
Aaron Hill 2B
Travis Snider LF
J.P. Arencibia C
John McDonald 3B

Associated Press photo

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186 Responses to “Pregame notes: Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the sign?”

  1. Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    The Yankees are in on several pitchers:

    Thursday night, Yankees scout Jay Darnell was in Denver to watch the right-handed Jimenez pitch well against the Brewers. He was one of six Yankees talent evaluators in major league parks Thursday watching the work of starters Matt Garza of the Cubs, Francisco Liriano of the Twins, Anibal Sanchez of the Marlins and Jeremy Guthrie of the Orioles, and Padres reliever Heath Bell.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1SHnXshwi

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    “Mitre has struggled the past two nights. “He just doesn’t have the velocity and the sink that he had, and I can’t tell you exactly why,” Girardi said.”

    *************

    Come on Girardi! You don’t know why? Don’t you read LoHud? You don’t use him enough!

  3. brownies July 16th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Good to hear theyre scouting. Change it up Cashman! Cuz this roster ain’t good enough as it stands now to beat the likely playoff teams.

  4. Yank 97 July 16th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Thursday night, Yankees scout Jay Darnell was in Denver to watch the right-handed Jimenez pitch well against the Brewers. He was one of six Yankees talent evaluators in major league parks Thursday watching the work of starters Matt Garza of the Cubs, Francisco Liriano of the Twins, Anibal Sanchez of the Marlins and Jeremy Guthrie of the Orioles, and Padres reliever Heath Bell.

    ——————————-

    This better not be typical Cashman trade deadline smoke. He needs to be in on these players, not just ‘scout’ them and end up with Jerry Hairston Jr

  5. West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Hard to believe the Yankees sent six human beings to watch those pitchers. A few minutes reading LoHud’s stat geeks would tell them all they need to know. Come on Yankees! Get with it!

  6. GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    So does anybody know why they wound up givng Mantle number 7, instead of number 6?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Ghost, Bobby Brown had always worn #6 and Mantle got the number when Brown was called to active duty in Korea. Brown, by the way was saving lives even before becoming a heart surgeon. He and a friend swam out and saved a coast guardsman’s life after his seaplane crashed.

  7. Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    The Yankees have to leak interest in all these starting pitchers. They need to remind all those teams (especially Colorado) that they have options and they will decide on the exchange that is most favorable to the Yankees. The trade that is most fair gets done.

    If O’Dowd is being unreasonable in his demands for Jimenez, the Colorado GM needs to be kept in check.

    But given the names of the pitchers leaked, it’s easy to guess that Jimenez is the Yankees main target.

  8. backbench July 16th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Please. “No,” to Guthrie.

  9. 108 stitches July 16th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    • Lefties have hit Ricky Romero better than righties, so Girardi didn’t want to take either Brett Gardner or Granderson out of the lineup. Could be because Romero has such a good changeup. That pitch is usually helpful in a left-hander neutralizing right-handed hitters (and vice versa)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So why is Jones in the lineup ? Also, how much rope should Mitre be given ?

  10. LGY July 16th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Hard to believe the Yankees sent six human beings to watch those pitchers. A few minutes reading LoHud’s stat geeks would tell them all they need to know. Come on Yankees! Get with it!

    ———————-

    Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bridge?

    You are particularly trollish today, even for you.

  11. Mell July 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Somehow I’d guess the Jays will be far less effective stealing signs with Sabathia on the hill.

  12. RadioKev July 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Repost:

    I will say, the Yankee scouts really do seem to know what they’re doing, we’ve got a nice group of finds as of late. If they believe Jimenez is the real deal, I guess I can’t argue much with that.

    He’s got a full season of less than stellar results since pitching that amazing first half last season. His velocity has diminished some what too. He’s also had past shoulder issues, I believe.

    He’s just not a sure thing, and should not be billed as such. That’s why I’m whole heartedly opposed to trading a package of guys like Montero, Betances, or Banuelos, along with a Nova, a Hughes, a Warren, a Nunez or who have you. Trading a whole group of well touted prospects for a guy that isn’t even a sure thing is, to me, alarming.

  13. LGY July 16th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Bret the Hitman,

    Get excited:

    Buster Olney says that a high-ranking official told him the “dam is about ready to burst on the trade market.” The number of phone calls is multiplying and everyone is getting more serious. “I think that once July 24 hits, that’s when you’re going to see a bunch of things happen,” said an AL official. “There’s a lot of talk.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ltran.html

  14. RadioKev July 16th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Mell July 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
    Somehow I’d guess the Jays will be far less effective stealing signs with Sabathia on the hill.
    ————

    Being a big guy can help sometimes I guess :D

  15. backbench July 16th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “According to American League sources, the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, Tigers, and Rangers are all interested in 36-year-old Dodgers right-hander Hiroki Kuroda, who is banking a cool $8 million this season — his actual salary is listed at $12 million, but he is due a $4 million signing bonus from the Dodgers payable in 2012-13 — and boasts full no-trade protection; on a similar NL West-related note; the Phillies are considered to be a “front-runner” in the chase to grab one of Heath Bell or Mike Adams away from the Padres (Jon Heyman, SI.com; Buster Olney, ESPN.com)”

  16. Mell July 16th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    LGY:

    I imagine Bret will be turning on the NYYrumors twitter machine in short order.

  17. Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Olney is a troll too, although smarter and more entertaining than the ones we have here.

  18. BTX July 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Unless that involves the Red Sox/Rangers/Tigers/Angels doing everything while the Yankees just add a bench piece.

  19. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    GW

    “Thanks! I knew that must have been an interesting back story on the switch. Vrey cool info about Brown. I now kind of wonder if Brown in any way inspired the “Moonlight” Graham character in “Field of Dreams”… With the obvious difference that ‘ol Moonlight only had 1 appearnce (with 0 ABs) in the big leagues.”
    _____
    No…there really was a player named Moonlight Graham

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_Graham

  20. Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    It’s not at all clear to me why Kuroda is demonstrably better than what we have. He’s in his mid-thirties, with a better than average ERA, like Colon and Garcia. I guess his injury history over the last few years makes him somewhat of a better bet of getting through the season uninjured. However, I wouldn’t send trade away high level prospects for Kuroda and the little bit extra peace of mind that he buys us.

  21. Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    ===========

    Very cool. I wonder how that piece of history escaped my notice until now…. Frankly, I’m a little surprised that I never looked it up until now. Thanks!

  22. Betsy July 16th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Boy I miss Chavez………getting him back would be like making another trade

  23. Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    I would laugh my head off if the Yankees land Ubaldo Jimenez while the Sox band aid their staff with Kuroda.

    Depending on who goes in the package for Ubaldo, it’s possible it sets up another move for the Yankees….

    Let’s say it’s strictly a prospect deal based on Montero + Betances + Noesi + Murphy…

    That leaves an extra 2 starting pitchers for the Yankees to deal for a young hot-shot OF.

    Watch.

    CC Sabathia
    Ubaldo Jimenez
    AJ Burnett
    Bartolo Colon
    Freddy Garcia

    Phil Hughes or Ivan Nova could be moved for a stud young OF. If you have to include Gardner, you do it.

    Or the Yankees could do this

    CC Sabathia
    Ubaldo Jimenez
    AJ Burnett
    Phil Hughes
    Ivan Nova

    Sell high on Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon.

    Heck, I think they could move AJ Burnett in this market.

  24. Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    ===========

    Very cool. I wonder how that piece of history escaped my notice until now…. Frankly, I’m a little surprised that I never looked it up until now. Thanks!
    ===

    Yep, there he is: http://www.baseball-reference......mo01.shtml

  25. luis July 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Hi everyone,

    Great piece of info Bojo, never thought that Graham actually exited!!, cool stuff indeed

  26. Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Betsy July 16th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Boy I miss Chavez………getting him back would be like making another trade
    ====

    Yes, he could be a big boost for the Yanks.

  27. rr212 July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Here’s a move I’d like to see……

    Drop Tex from the 3rd spot!

  28. Rich in NJ July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    “Boy I miss Chavez………getting him back would be like making another trade”

    /Godot

  29. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    It’s not at all clear to me why Kuroda is demonstrably better than what we have. He’s in his mid-thirties, with a better than average ERA, like Colon and Garcia. I guess his injury history over the last few years makes him somewhat of a better bet of getting through the season uninjured. However, I wouldn’t send trade away high level prospects for Kuroda and the little bit extra peace of mind that he buys us.
    ___
    Agreed. If Ian Kennedy is tearing up the NL West with far better numbers, and would only be a #4 or #5 in AL East, what does that say for Kuroda? I’d pass. Also, have never been a fan of Dodgers pitchers translating well…there are exceptions, but that pitching mound and park have always favored pitchers.

  30. luis July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    existed

  31. BTX July 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Brett,

    After that initial proposed Jiminiez package, you could turn around and do Hughes or Nova+ for Rasmus.

  32. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Hi Luis!

    Baseball history is great fun!

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan July 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Halladay, Lee, Hamels + Heath Bell or Mike Adams = trouble for everyone else.

  34. luis July 16th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    If you asked me, i am with radio kev, i don’t think Ubaldo is worth what we should be paying for him,

  35. Ghostwriter July 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    rr212 July 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Here’s a move I’d like to see……

    Drop Tex from the 3rd spot!
    ——-

    I agree. I think that the lineup would look much better with:
    Gardner
    Jeter
    Cano
    Tex
    Granderson
    Swisher
    Posoda
    Martin
    Nunez

  36. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Hey Luis—
    I must compliment you on the improvement in your English! When you first came here, you had a lot of difficulty putting together sentences and being understood, but now you are very fluent. Did you take a course like Rosetta Stone or something. Very impressive!

  37. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    How about

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Tex
    Swisher
    Posoda
    Martin
    Nunez

  38. Bret The Hitman July 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    BTX July 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Brett,

    After that initial proposed Jiminiez package, you could turn around and do Hughes or Nova+ for Rasmus.

    ***********

    It would blow my freaking mind but that’s exactly what I’m thinking.

    A deadline where the Yankees land Ubaldo Jimenez and Colby Rasmus. And Rafael Soriano returns healthy.

  39. BoJo July 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    :arrow:

  40. luis July 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Hi Bojo,

    Field of dreams is my favorite baseball movie, it reminds me a lot about my father and my self.

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