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Pregame notes: Still waiting for Laird

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There’s a chance the yankees are going to be a man short when tonight’s game starts. The team went out for batting practice without Brandon Laird, who’s flight into Tampa was apparently delayed.

It’s probably no coincidence that Francisco Cervelli was taking extra ground balls. If something were to happen to an infielder, looks like Cervelli would go to third and Eduardo Nunez would fill at either second or short. When Laird gets here, he’ll add some theoretical flexibility — he played first, third and the outfield corners in the minors — but Girardi said he’s planning to use Laird strictly at third base.

As for Ramiro Pena, he had a stomach ache this morning. It ended with Gene Monahan taking Pena to have his appendix removed. Bad timing: Today is Pena’s birthday.

“This morning I got a call from Geno that he was headed over to the hospital,” Girardi said. “Geno wasn’t exactly sure what it was, but (Pena) was having bad stomach pains. Unfortunately, on his birthday he had his appendix removed. It will be a birthday I’m sure he’ll never forget.”

• Joba Chamberlain also had his appendix removed recently. Who’s next? “It won’t be me because mine’s gone,” Girardi said.

• Rafael Soriano and Eric Chavez are both scheduled to play in tomorrow’s High-A Tampa game. It will be the first rehab game for each of them. “You just kind of keep your fingers cross that everything goes well for both of them tomorrow,” Girardi said.

• Girardi said Soriano will need three rehab appearances at the very minimum.

• Girardi doesn’t have a clear timetable for Chavez. He wasn’t even sure whether Chavez would DH or play the field tomorrow. “He’s been out for a while so I think he’s going to need some at-bats,” Girardi said. The question is how long can he go in those first couple of games. If he was out a shorter period of time, it would probably be easier to build him up, but need him to be able to play nine innings when he gets here, so that could take some time.”

• Even with Laird available at third, Girardi made it clear that Eduardo Nunez is still his regular third baseman while Alex Rodriguez is on the disabled list. “Right now I’m going to stick with Nuney,” Girardi said. “To me Nuney’s earned that and has played well for us, and I’m going to stick with that.”

• Here’s Girardi’s scouting report on Tampa’s rookie starter Alex Cobb: “A young man that has a good fastball that runs a lot. He’s got a good split and a good curveball, and he’s got the ability to throw his offspeed over when he’s behind in the count. It’s a young man that also looks like he fields his position and holds runners pretty well.”

• The Rays played a 16-inning game last night against the Red Sox. Could be good timing for the Yankees to play a team that’s a little worn out. “I don’t know if there’s ever a good time to catch a team,” Girardi said. “Obviously they had a long night last night. We’ve been through that, but we’ve been through that and bounced back pretty well.”

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Johnny Damon DH
Ben Zobrist RF
Evan Longoria 3B
Casey Kotchman 1B
B.J. Upton CF
Sean Rodriguez 2B
Justin Ruggiano LF
Robinson Chirinos C
Elliott Johnson SS

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75 Responses to “Pregame notes: Still waiting for Laird”

  1. 108 stitches July 18th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    A 24-man roster ? Add Mitre and Andruw Jones to it and there’s a 22-man roster.

  2. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Eric Chavez has a job after his playing days as a hitting instructor. One day of batting practice with the newest Yankee infant, Dante Bichette and the youngster has his first pro homer and a double.Vs

  3. Betsy July 18th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I really can’t wait for Chavez to return

  4. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Girardi should start calling Nuney, Nooner.

    Does that work?

  5. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    If something were to happen to an infielder, looks like Cervelli would go to third and Eduardo Nunez would fill at either second or short.

    ===========

    If thats ever is the case, I think they should bring Granderson to play first. Cervelli is really confortable throwing to him.

  6. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    108 stitches July 18th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
    A 24-man roster ? Add Mitre and Andruw Jones to it and there’s a 22-man roster.
    ___
    Those are fighting words to Mitre…although Andruw would probably just smile at you.

  7. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    previous
    To me, it looks like his elbow is going to explode very soon with an MLB workload.

    ===========

    I.D.,
    So your actually trying to scare people away from going after Yu(not you but Yu). I havnt seen someone give face time to a player their against here before. I myself am shell shocked of Japanese pitchers and prefer the safe bets at home. American, Latin, even might consider others with fake birth certificates.

  8. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    It’s even money that Chavez will go down again.

  9. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Chad, where in the world did you find a picture of Soriano in a Yankee uniform…and smiling? Did you photo-shop the pinstripes on him? Or have to pay him extra?

  10. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Girardi doesn’t have a clear timetable for Chavez. He wasn’t even sure whether Chavez would DH or play the field tomorrow.

    ===========

    Is it just me or does it seem like Girardi doesnt ever know much about Chavez. Is it because Chavi doesnt sound good and Chavo cant be taken serious?

  11. jpb173 July 18th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    From Chad’s post:

    Even with Laird available at third, Girardi made it clear that Eduardo Nunez is still his regular third baseman while Alex Rodriguez is on the disabled list. “Right now I’m going to stick with Nuney,” Girardi said. “To me Nuney’s earned that and has played well for us, and I’m going to stick with that.”

    ================================================

    Now we have Nuney…what happens when Montero gets called up? Does he become Montie?

  12. Irreverent Discourse July 18th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    SoS – Not necessarily against Yu outright, he is currently a fantastic pitcher… but I’m hoping someone that know more than I do can fill me in on his mechanics a little :) To my eyes there is a lot of strain and whip on his elbow, and his leg comes down very early… and that can’t be a good thing when you are talking about bumping him to a 5man rotation and playing 20 more games.

  13. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
    If something were to happen to an infielder, looks like Cervelli would go to third and Eduardo Nunez would fill at either second or short.

    ===========

    If thats ever is the case, I think they should bring Granderson to play first. Cervelli is really confortable throwing to him.
    ____
    He’ll still be throwing to him on DPs to third.

  14. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    knew they won’t trade Montero if they did they would be nuts…now bring the kid up and lets see what he’s got

  15. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Speaking of Montie. Montie Python and the holey grail was on last night, never seen it before. Watched 20 minutes of it and changed it. Did I miss much?

  16. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 18th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    SoS – Not necessarily against Yu outright, he is currently a fantastic pitcher… but I’m hoping someone that know more than I do can fill me in on his mechanics a little To my eyes there is a lot of strain and whip on his elbow, and his leg comes down very early… and that can’t be a good thing when you are talking about bumping him to a 5man rotation and playing 20 more games.
    ____
    If you are really interested, their is a guy on the web who evaluates pitching mechanics for various pitchers. I’ll see if I can find his link again. He does a very good job and predicted injuries to Strasberg, Santana, and others.

  17. randy l. July 18th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “My gf’s great grandmother is 92 years old and her motto is “If there is no rice, it’s not a meal.”

    lgy-

    gb7 hasn’t had a date in years. you think you could fix him up with your girlfriend’s great grandma?
    he’s too shy to ask himself , so i’m trying to help out a good buddy here.

  18. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Here is his site…knows his stuff (IMO)

    http://www.chrisoleary.com/pro.....anics.html

  19. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    No thanks, Randy. I don’t need to hear 6 hours of what sbaermetrics says about hardening of the arteries. Not ony that but her best friend forever is JerkGrannie.

  20. tyanksfan36 July 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Woohoo its about time the Tampa Yankees got a 3rd baseman that knows what to do over there. Hopefully he can give those guys some tips. I guess they realized that the TY have some serious E5 issues.

  21. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    ***sabermetrics***

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Of course the same genius predicted that AJ Burnett would be injured most of his Yankee career due to troubling mechanics bla bla bla.

  23. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    “Right now I’m going to stick with Nuney,” Girardi said. “To me Nuney’s earned that and has played well for us, and I’m going to stick with that.”

    So in Girardi book of baby talk. Does the name Girardi stay the same?

    Can he please scrap the talk. Its hard for me to take his quotes serious when he starts them off that way.

  24. blake July 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    “I really can’t wait for Chavez to return”

    Sadly the Yankees probably can’t wait much longer either….

  25. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    The Rays played a 16-inning game last night against the Red Sox. Could be good timing for the Yankees to play a team that’s a little worn out. “I don’t know if there’s ever a good time to catch a team,” Girardi said. “Obviously they had a long night last night. We’ve been through that, but we’ve been through that and bounced back pretty well.”
    ———————————
    I watch the whole game last night got up at 5:30 am and I’ ready for bed right now….

  26. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    GB7

    He was smiling because he was told it was payday.

  27. Yogi Mantle July 18th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Now we have Nuney…what happens when Montero gets called up? Does he become Montie?
    _________

    Girardi was already calling him Monty during ST. It must be tough for Girardi to come up with these nicknames.

    That might explain why the Yankees won’t trade for Ubaldo… Ubie or Baldy just aren’t going to cut it.

  28. David in Cal July 18th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    After Gardner’s spectacular weekend in Toronto, I thought there might be a chance that he’d lead off tonight against a RH starting pitcher, and Jeter would bat in bottom third of the order. Nope. I just have to be resigned to watching the guy with the lowest OPS on the team batting leadoff for the next 2 1/2 years.

  29. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
    GB7

    He was smiling because he was told it was payday.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Nah…if it was payday, he would have said. “What is this? I was supposed to get a bonus for games missed.”

  30. Yogi Mantle July 18th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Both the RS and the Rays might feel some hangover effects of that game. One can always hope anyway.

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    “Right now I’m going to stick with Nuney,” Girardi said. “To me Nuney’s earned that and has played well for us, and I’m going to stick with that.” So in Girardi book of baby talk. Does the name Girardi stay the same? Can he please scrap the talk. Its hard for me to take his quotes serious when he starts them off that way.

    *************

    It’s one of the most annoying and juvenile thing in baseball today and a total embarrassment. It’s not ok to have facial hair in 2011 – but it’s ok for the manager to talk like a five year old.

  32. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    No thanks, Randy. I don’t need to hear 6 hours of what sbaermetrics says about hardening of the arteries. Not ony that but her best friend forever is JerkGrannie.

    =========

    GB,
    Maybe she could help you with those house upgrades your looking to do. She can fix you up a nice cold lemonade after a hard days work. Make sure you let her know to make it sugerless.

  33. Betsy July 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Blake, so true………..I’ll be crossing my fingers

  34. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    ID–One pitching mechanics site I read before said Darvish’s delivery is a little worrisome in that he has what is known as an inverted L…not as bad as an inverted W, but it still puts a lot of strain on the elbow and can lead to TJ problems. His elbow–according to this guy and others like Chris O’Leary–should not come above parallel to the ground for maximum effectiveness.

  35. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Maine, it’s getting about that time to desert this place. Game time coming and the idiots and trolls are starting to arrive. Catch you later.

  36. Pat M. July 18th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    GB….I was thinking along the same line, shame though…

  37. MTU July 18th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

  38. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    but it’s ok for the manager to talk like a five year old.
    ———————————————————————

    That’s no different than how some act here.

  39. raymagnetic July 18th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Montero will obviously be Zeusy. Adding a zy to everybody’s name is sofa king wee tarded.

  40. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    GB7

    I can enjoy the game if I don’t read this place during it.

  41. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    WCYF,
    Its more embarrassing that its coming from the Manager of the New York Yankees. Can you imagine Cashman talking like that? I wonder if Cash rolls his eyes everytime he hears it. Im not sure if he thinks that giving these pet names makes them feel like they are all in the circle of trust. It would be funny to see one of them coming out and saying something like “Can you pronounce my name correctly!? What your saying makes me sound like a girlyman!”. Where did it start(jorgie from Torre)? Did he do that in Florida as well?

  42. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Evening, Pat. It really is. This was one part of the day that used to be more enjoyable, but, Game Time is no place to be anymore…and getting worse. I need to contact our mutual friend and report for duty.

  43. MTU July 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Pat M.-

    You never answered Blake’s question to you.

    He asked what SJ had to say about Ubaldo ?

    I would love to know too sometime.

  44. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    # GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Maine, it’s getting about that time to desert this place. Game time coming and the idiots and trolls are starting to arrive. Catch you later.
    ——————————————–
    your so much better than most of us….what a ass-wipe

  45. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Maine, I always enjoy the game, but, was always better when watching that and reading some of the remarks. Have you heard from Ray lately?

  46. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    hey GB go take your 4th nap of the day

  47. blake July 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Betsy,

    Id love to see him get back….we’ll see. He coukd realm help right now.

  48. SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    raymagnetic,
    Good to see you pop in here my friend. Hope everythings going well for you. Last I heard you were really busy with your work and all. Good to be you. As you can see, my work isnt as busy. Wish some of the old posters would come in just to say hi once in awhile.

  49. DocTodd July 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    More fragile?? Pavano, Nick Johnson, or Chavez???

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    SoS July 18th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    WCYF,
    Its more embarrassing that its coming from the Manager of the New York Yankees. Can you imagine Cashman talking like that? I wonder if Cash rolls his eyes everytime he hears it. Im not sure if he thinks that giving these pet names makes them feel like they are all in the circle of trust. It would be funny to see one of them coming out and saying something like “Can you pronounce my name correctly!? What your saying makes me sound like a girlyman!”. Where did it start(jorgie from Torre)? Did he do that in Florida as well?

    ************

    Har to figure. For a world class sports franchise that takes great pains to be professional, there are some strange exceptions. Girardi’s baby talk, Michael Kay, John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman for starters.

  51. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    hey GB go take your 4th nap of the day
    ___
    Why the hate? He is entitled to his opinion, isn’t he? He didn’t say anything about you directly, did he?

  52. Giuseppe Franco July 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    # joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
    .
    ——————————————–
    your so much better than most of us….what a ass-wipe

    ————

    He happens to be absolutely right. This place is a toilet during the game. Nothing but stupidity.

    I haven’t commented on a game thread all season, including spring training. Only commented a handful of times all last season.

    I gave up on game threads here over a year ago.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    hey GB go take your 4th nap of the day
    ___
    Why the hate? He is entitled to his opinion, isn’t he? He didn’t say anything about you directly, did he?

    ********

    CAUTION! The blog scold is in the house butting in to other’s business. Better be good!

  54. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    # BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    hey GB go take your 4th nap of the day
    ___
    Why the hate? He is entitled to his opinion, isn’t he? He didn’t say anything about you directly, did he?
    —————————————
    he has many times

  55. Giuseppe Franco July 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Nicknames and “baby talk” are two different things.

    Girardi is a Northwestern grad so it’s safe to say he’s a helluva lot smarter than you.

  56. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Maine, I always enjoy the game, but, was always better when watching that and reading some of the remarks. Have you heard from Ray lately?

    ——————————————————————————————-

    No.

    I heared he is driving for Concord Trailways but I haven’t talked to him in quite awhile.

  57. joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    iuseppe Franco July 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    # joeman July 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
    .
    ——————————————–
    your so much better than most of us….what a ass-wipe

    ————

    He happens to be absolutely right. This place is a toilet during the game. Nothing but stupidity.

    I haven’t commented on a game thread all season, including spring training. Only commented a handful of times all last season.

    I gave up on game threads here over a year ago.
    ————————-
    now the other one shows..

  58. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Cashman: “Not close” for pitcher

    TAMPA, Fla. — With nearly two weeks to go until the non-waiver trade deadline, the New York Yankees may still wind up with a top-shelf addition to their pitching staff, someone like Colorado’s Ubaldo Jimenez or Seattle’s King Felix Hernandez.

    But general manager Brian Cashman was less than encouraging about the prospect of either coming in to rescue the Yankees this season, and manager Joe Girardi said he is more than willing to play out the rest of the season with the pieces he already has.

    Monday afternoon, Cashman said he is “not close” to making a deal for a pitcher.

    “To be close, you’d have to get to the stage of exchanging names with other clubs, and I haven’t done that,” Cashman said. “I have had no conversations with any other team regarding anyone. And besides, I don’t think I’ll find anyone on the market who is better than (Phil) Hughes, or (Bartolo) Colon or (Rafael) Soriano.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....BHeadlines

  59. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    CAUTION! The blog scold is in the house butting in to other’s business. Better be good!
    ___
    You do hypocrisy well.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan July 18th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    You do nothing well.

  61. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    The Colorado Rockies have a nice assortment of young talent, namely shortstop Troy Tulowitzki, center fielder Carlos Gonzalez, and starting pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez. Although they will probably fall short of the postseason this year, Colorado is by no means a bad team. In the weak NL West, this is a team that should be able to contend for many years into the future. So why are they considering trading their best pitcher?
    To start, Jimenez is easily the best pitcher in this year’s trade market. What makes him even more enticing is his contract: he is set to make $2.8 million this year and $4.2 million in 2012. 2013 and 2014 are club option years in which the ace would make $5.75 million and $8 million respectively. Therefore it is likely that teams would overpay for the 27-year-old, especially when you consider the fact that two of the teams looking for a top-0f-the-rotation starter are the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox.
    In shopping Jimenez, Rockies’ GM Dan O’Dowd is simply reacting to a weak market. The fact that Ubaldo is so far superior to the other pitchers in this year’s market makes at least listening to offers a no-brainer. The Rockies will not trade Jimenez unless some team – prospectively the Yankees or Red Sox – are willing to give up their very best prospects.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/b.....2/30695607

  62. Pat M. July 18th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    MTU…I didn’t see blake’s question regarding SJ’s opinion……I’m reluctant to go into this because SJ isn’t here to defend himself vs. the onslaught of criticism from the multitude that have hardly ever seen him pitch and are parroting what they read by writers who also have never seen him pitch……There are a few here who’s opinion are most respected but they are in the minority…..However SJ’s take is that if Cashman can trade for Ubaldo and even if he has to overpay to a degree then Cashman should make the deal as this kid is a difference maker especially come October and I agree wholeheartedly……As long as Manny B is not part of the package……

  63. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    As I mentioned to your sock puppet earlier, many come here to chat baseball and have fun. You come here to laugh at others, insult them, and pick fights. Troll School must be very proud of you.

  64. Bronx Jeers July 18th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    KenDavidoff
    One competing club official, on #Rockies and Jimenez: “It’s like putting a ‘For Sale’ sign in front of your house because you’re curious.”

  65. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Pat M.

    Is SJ hellbent against trading Banuelos in any deal or is that you?

    I’m hellbent against it.

  66. BoJo July 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Pat M–

    Then you put Banuelos over Betances? I love the physical abilities of Betances, and would hate to see him go. Reminds me of JR Richards.

  67. GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 18th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
    Maine, I always enjoy the game, but, was always better when watching that and reading some of the remarks. Have you heard from Ray lately?

    ——————————————————————————————-

    No.

    I heared he is driving for Concord Trailways but I haven’t talked to him in quite awhile.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Thanks, Maine. Tell him to stop by when you hear from him. Red Sox fans are always good fun for ragging on. Ray seems like good people, but, of course, I’d never say that. Later.

  68. Pat M. July 18th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Bret…SJ is adamant against moving Manny B, and I’m with him….This guy who wrote that piece for CBS is an idiot….Ubando has pitched in the postseason indeed

  69. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Pat M.

    Ok then I’m in good company.

    I don’t think Cash can get it done for anything less than Jesus Montero + Dellin Betances + Ivan Nova + JR Murphy + Corban Joseph/David Adams

  70. Bret The Hitman July 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Is that the kind of overpay SJ has in mind?

  71. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Pat M

    It’s good to see you still pop in some.

    I like the behind the lines info you share form time to time.

    It’s also apparent you have knowledge of the game that many here don’t have.

  72. MaineYankee July 18th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    GB7

    Yes Ray is from a good family I’ve known for years.

    I need to track him down and catch up things.

    I’ll tell him your looking for him.

    Catch you in the AM.

  73. WyoYankee July 18th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Montero, Betances, Nova, Noesi, Warren/Mitchell.

  74. Irreverent Discourse July 18th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I assume those of you complaining about the player nicknames have never actually played a sport? I can’t imagine I’m wrong there.

  75. Vineyard Yankee July 18th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Blojo……..stuff it. You are a clown, everyone sees it but you.

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