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Gardner: “You’ve got to do what you can to get that run”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 19, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner wasn’t sure his slide made a difference last night. I’m going to go ahead and say that it did. When Eduardo Nunez grounded into a potential inning-ending double play, Gardner went hard into second base. One of the writers sitting next to me called it the cleanest takeout slide he’d ever seen.

There was absolutely nothing over-the-top about it, Gardner just went hard into Sean Rodriguez’s legs, broke up the double play and changed the game completely.

“Nuney gets down the line pretty well, so I’m not sure if they would have turned a double play if I hadn’t been there,” Gardner said. “But you’ve got to do what you can to get that run across. Bases loaded one out, definitely not trying to hurt anybody, but it’s my job. I’ve got to go in hard and make it difficult for him to turn it.”

Rodriguez’s throw went far off line and the tying run scored.

Gardner’s red hot lately, and last night was just another example. I’ve often written on this blog that I really enjoy watching the way speed plays in a baseball game. You don’t see it every game, but now and then, true speed will make a difference. Maybe it’s making a catch in the outfield, or turning a single into a double, or stealing a base at the right time. Or maybe it’s getting to second base in time disrupt a play that would have crushed a late-inning rally.

“You’ve got to get a good secondary (lead),” Gardner said. “You’ve got to kind of anticipate that happening, and it’s one of those things that I do over there at first in that situation. You’ve got to get a good secondary and really run hard to second and try to get there in time.”

Gardner got there, and as much as anything, that’s why the Yankees won that game.

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146 Responses to “Gardner: “You’ve got to do what you can to get that run””

  1. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    MTU

    The relief combination of Wade, Robertson, Noesi, and Rivera has been very good. Now if Logan, Ayala, and pre 2011 Soriano can do their jobs in a close game, the bullpen will be set. However I hope Cashman gets another quality bullpen arm, either righty or lefty, if righty who can mow down lefties with equal aplomb!! Did I use the correct word- APLOMB

    With regards to Gardner-

    This is a big IF. Had Gardner batted leadoff last night against the rookie righty would the Yankees have scored more runs last night, that spot taken where in two occasions I can remember Jeter failed to get a runner home with RISP?

    Not blaming Jeter as I watched Tex in the 3 spot flail away at the same exact changeup away and almost in the dirt with RISP.

  2. Erin July 19th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Gardner’s been on fire lately

  3. 461toCenter July 19th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Well said. I love the way Gardner plays the game. He brings it every minute. He is a great competitor and a player who makes a difference to this team.

  4. Benny Blanco July 19th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Betsy,

    I was looking at Tex’s splits from last year and it appears as though he’s on pace (barring a miracle) to having the worst year in his career in terms of BA. One year from today Tex’s was batting 253. with a 362 OBP.

    In his first year as a yankee three out of the six months he hit 280 and better, thus given him a 292 avg. But whats even more mind -boggling is with the exception of his power numbers.. He’s hitting worst for avg than he did last year.

  5. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Don’t think they’d have gotten the DP anyway, but it certainly was a good, hard (and clean) play by Gardner.

  6. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Chad-

    If you’re out there-didn’t Tex spend extra time in the offseason on hitting, working on hitting the other way? Wasn’t there communication with Long also in the offseason?

    How does all his body motion and bat wiggling help him. Long settled down Granderson and Swisher and both improved. Tex is all, or mostly nothing, batting lefty against the shift.

    Any answers?

  7. RadioKev July 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I think this is the real Gardener we’ve seen as of late. The guy has to work hard at it, but I think he can really pick it up and become a consistently great player.

  8. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    YT-

    I try not to comment on the Jeter or Posada controversies.

    There’s more to that than just performance. It’s just the way it is.

    It’s a never ending debate that defies solution in the realm of Yankee land.

    It will have to create it’s own solution IMO.

  9. austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    If Sorisno is healthy I think the bullpen looks pretty good. A loony could be added, but I think an offensive addition is needed much more. Posada, sadly enough, should not be the DH.

    Get Beltran and share Dh and RF wish Swisher. I would give a good B prospect.

    There is no way, in my opinion, Unaldo is coming here. If one recalls, the Herscel Walker trade killed the Vikings. If that’s O’Dowd’s desire, forget him,

  10. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    If this is the real Gardner, then he needs to be the leadoff hitter, especially against righties, where he can get the most chances to get on base and disrupt the other team, ala Jacoby Ellsbury who jumpstarts the potent Red Sox offense.

  11. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Swisher for next season and then…….. ?

    Kemp ? JU ? Other ?

  12. 108 stitches July 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    As said before, DFA Mitre and bring up J.C. Romero to split LH duties with Boone Logan. If Soriano comes back heathy the bullpen can get the job done.

    Rivera – Robertson – Soriano – Logan – Romero – Noesi – Ayala

  13. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Austin-

    Can birds pitch ? Never thought about a loony in the pen.

    Hope you’re avoiding the tourists and having fun.

    :)

  14. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    108-

    Works for me. Except let’s swap Wade for Ayala please.

  15. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Must get a lot of power from driving those legs when he pitches. he just keeps getting better and better.

  16. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Pirates and Indians buyers at the trade deadline, that’s different. I do know that the Pirates need a MLB ready catcher ( Cervelli :evil: ), other than that I’m not sure if there is a fit for the Yankees.

  17. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    And 108-

    IMO they won’t leave D-Rob in the 8th.

    They’re gonna re-insert Sorryman there and use Robertson as a fireman.

    Not saying I agree with it.

  18. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    If there’s little chance on getting Beltran- take the remainder of Ryan Ludwick’s 6.775M contract while you trade for Michael Adams, dump Jones and Mitre. Now you get a power hitting righty away from Petco and a dominant righty reliever who mows down lefties and has a reasonable salary.

    Ther MTU-I repeate my wish for Adams!!! LOL

  19. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    VY-

    He was in the shadow for quite a while. I always liked him. Glad he’s gotten the chance to show just how good he can be.

    And yes, he seems to just better and better. It’s scary isn’t it ?

    By the way, did you receive a reply from Gomez ? I sent off a letter too.

    So far nothing.

  20. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Can birds pitch ?
    ———————-

    Not if you’re an Oriole!

  21. Doc Iac July 19th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    tex tried to hit the other way yesterday, he grounded out to longoria…

    its frustrating to watch but i belive hell turn it around soon…at least im hopin

  22. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    YT-

    He’s good. It’s just that the asking price is a bit prohibitive I would think.

    You are determined I’ll give you that.

    :)

  23. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    MTU -

    I think given the current hitting on the team, the best line-up would be;

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Tex
    Swisher
    Martin
    DH
    Nunez

  24. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    YT-

    They pitch alright. Like woodpeckers.

    ;)

  25. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I do know that the Pirates need a MLB ready catcher

    ==========================

    Sadly, Cervelli is no better than what they’re using now. Probably no match there. Has a team ever gotten more out a starting rotation comprised enitrely of #4 starters than the Pirates have? You’d think maybe they’d look into adding an SP.

  26. austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    MTU,

    Perhaps, Swisher is our looney. If they need another, maybe a LHRP could be added. IPADs create new language.

    We are avoiding the crowds and enjoying the mountains. Your temperature sounds like home to me.

  27. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Al-

    Maybe so but they are pretty reluctant to move Jeter around too much.

    I’m not getting into the controversy surrounding it. I’m tired of it and then it inevitably turns inot Jeter bashing which really turns me off.

    Let the experts decide how to handle that one.

  28. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    If there’s little chance on getting Beltran- take the remainder of Ryan Ludwick’s 6.775M contract while you trade for Michael Adams

    ============================

    Seriously doubt Adams can be picked up via a salary dump. Bell? Yeah, probably. Adams? Almost certainly not.

  29. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    I’d love to see Jeff Karstens back with the Yankees, but, sadly that will never happen.

  30. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Austin-

    Just keep having a good time. The heat and the crowds will always be there waiting for ya’.

  31. ron July 19th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Carlos Beltran Rumors: Tuesday

    By Tim Dierkes [July 19 at 8:28am CST]

    The trade deadline is just 12 days away, and the Mets possess the best available bat in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are willing to assume a chunk of his $18.5MM salary to improve the return. Beltran will have to approve the trade, and the Phillies, Giants, Tigers, and Braves might be the most likely suitors. The latest:
    •The Yankees discussed Beltran with the Mets, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney, but Olney cannot see a deal happening unless it’s a pure salary dump. Bob Klapisch goes a step further, saying the Yankees briefly entertained the idea but decided it’s not a fit.

  32. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    I’d love to see Jeff Karstens back with the Yankees, but, sadly that will never happen.

    ===============================

    Not sure his stuff would play against the tougher AL lineups the way it has in the NL.

  33. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    DRob is a pleasure to watch for me unlike AJ who drives me nuts. I always like to see the homegrown guys succeed. Although it probably won’t happen I would like to see ‘Sorry Soriano’ have to ‘win’ that 8th inning spot back from DRob. Wishful thinking on my part.

    Nothing here from Gomez either. I’m going to the Sun. Aug. 7th game Giants vs. Philly. There has been talk of the time being changed to a 5pm game for ESPN. If so there is a good chance Gomez will be there since he covers the Giants alot out here. If so I will go early and try to ask him. Got great seats in the 10th row right behind the plate in the 1st deck. Hoping for a Halladay / Lincecum pitching match up.

  34. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    MTU -

    No knock on Jeter, just looking for the best line-up to help produce more runs. At this time, Tex is not producing as well as Granderson or Cano, and without A-Rod, a move needs to be made. Although I believe it’s the right move, I doubt Girardi will make it, he’s more concerned about hurting feelings, than making the necessary changes, IMO.

  35. RadioKev July 19th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
    I’d love to see Jeff Karstens back with the Yankees, but, sadly that will never happen.
    ———-

    Not that I’ve seen him pitch, but reports are this is just a lucky season. He’s on my fantasy team, so I won’t complain if he keeps it up. ;)

  36. austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Ron,

    Couldn’t you give us positive news? :)

    I just don’t see why the Yankees think it is not a match unless they are unwilling to bench Posada. Major league players have to produce, and Jorge at 40 does not. Nothing for Jorge to be ashamed of as it happens to every player.

  37. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Granderson
    Cano
    Tex
    Swisher
    Martin
    DH
    Nunez

    ========

    That’s a nice new twist to the lineup, I like it. Please forward it to Joe G. for his consideration.

  38. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Tar-

    Pirates will probably be in on Beltran.

  39. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    RadioKev -

    Jeff is a very talented pitcher, that in the past had to deal with some injuries, which are far behind him, and this, IMO, is not a lucky season, but more of how he’ll pitch going forward. I’ve been a big Karstens fan from his days in SWB, a great guy, and a talented pitcher.

  40. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Bob Klapisch goes a step further, saying the Yankees briefly entertained the idea but decided it’s not a fit.
    =====================

    Not a fit? Really? Could probably make it fit in the DH slot where Posada is OPSing under .700 again.

    I suspect “not a fit” is a reflection of the perspective of the two teams as it relates to Beltran(Yankees thinking salary dump, Mets thinking no salary dump, good prospect), rather than actual baseball.

  41. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    VY -

    I did send it to his E-mail yesterday. Surprise, no answer. :)

  42. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    VY-

    best of luck with that. Quite a pitching matchup. Hope that’s how it goes down.

    It would be great if you could get a moment with Gomez. I got a feeling he wouldn’t answer the question directly.

    Maybe I’m wrong.

    Al-

    I really don’t know about the inner workings and don’t like to see where it frequently leads.

    It’s just not that simple apparently. Even though maybe it should be.

  43. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Al:

    Kudos to you for sending it. Maybe it got filed in one of his binders ? :-)

  44. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Al-

    Maybe if VY, you and I all gang up on him he’ll feel the heat and break.

    :)

  45. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Al-

    Meant to ask you. any luck with that printer ?

  46. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    MTU -

    That’s why I loved the management style of a Billy Martin, if you don’t produce, you sit. Martin didn’t care who you were, or how much you were being paid, he wanted to win every game, and his players knew if they slacked off, or didn’t produce, some one else’s name would be on the line-up card.

    Billy Martin, no BS – Just results!

  47. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Al-

    I think of Girardi as a Torre type with math skills.

  48. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    MTU -

    The printer is working OK, but, I did not buy any roll paper yet. The biggest pitures I’ve done are 13X19, which came out great. Very expensive paper, so it’s not an every day use printer, just for those special pictures, like the ones you take.

  49. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Al-

    Except for the BP part. Doesn’t destroy BP arms.

  50. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    I will be close enough to holler at him if need be. :-) He wouldn’t answer it because he knows he made it up. Time will tell.

  51. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Jeff is a very talented pitcher, that in the past had to deal with some injuries, which are far behind him, and this, IMO, is not a lucky season, but more of how he’ll pitch going forward

    =========================

    Won’t use the word “luck”, because that’s a little unfair to Karstens, who has undoubtedly worked hard to improve. That said, he has enjoyed some good fortune this year. His xFIP is a full run and a half higher than his ERA and his BABIP is .237, which is considerably below the league average of .299 and his career average of .281

    He’s had a great year, but he’s on of those who’s going to have to do it again next year to make believers of the masses.

  52. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Al-

    Was wondering about the quality of the print. Guess you answered that
    question. Thanks.

  53. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    VY -

    He filed it all right, but in the circular file.

  54. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “he’s more concerned about hurting feelings”

    Big AL

    He pinch hit for Po last night, step in the right direction?

    Gardner is really putting it all together right now. I love the dimension he adds to the line-up when he’s on.

    But, By moving him up now you may disrupt the roll he’s on. Pitchers will pitch him different hitting in the 1 hole. Last night for example hitting in the 8th spot he drew 2 walks. If he was hitting 1st, I doubt he gets those 2 walks.

    I say leave him where he’s at for a little while longer. When you do move him up, do at the same time that you make other moves like moving Tex and possibly Grandy.

  55. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    VY-

    Lack of a reply would indicate as much. Can’t say where not giving him a chance to prove he’s not a buffoon.

    ;)

  56. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Apply the Chinese water torture maybe ? ? ?

  57. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Tar-

    Moving Tex, Grandy, Jeter and GGBG ?

    Next you’ll be asking for the Moon.

    :)

  58. 86w183 July 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Big Al — I wrote that same 1-6 lineup each of the last 2/3 ! No credit? You did switch DH/Martin.

    It’s clear Tex should be dropped and Jeter moved to # 2. He’s been at # 2 the majority of his career with more than 2,000 more plate appearances as a # 2 hitter than # 1.so I don’t see where that would be viewed negatively and switching Tex from # 3 to # 5 is not exactly kicking him to the curb.

    Robertson is making himself a prime candidate to be the closer in 2013. those change ups last night were just nasty… and he only took about 5-7 MPH off the fast ball, which gives him a larger margin for error. When he commands the fastball, which is most of the time this year, he’s really good.

    Beltran would certainly be a huge plus vs LHP and you could still DH Jorge vs RHP and give someone a day off in the OF or at 1B. As always it comes down to the cost. I wouldn’t give up Noesi for a two month rental. I might give up Warren or Phelps since I view those guys as good prospects but with much lower ceilings than Nova or Noesi.

    Of course the Mets probably do too.

  59. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    VY-

    I wouldn’t waste the water.

  60. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    If he is there on the 7th I will have to be careful that I don’t rip him if he doesn’t answer me. Pisses me off that he made stuff up to make himself look good when actually he didn’t know squat.

  61. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Tar -

    That’s what I was saying, move Gardner, Jeter, Granderson and Tex. Who knows, Tex hitting lower may do better in a less stressful situation. Also, he could get a strong message, he needs to follow in the steps of Granderson, make some changes, and become a more productive hitter. HR’s are nice, but, how many RISP have been LOB by Tex not coming through with a timely base hit?

  62. Benny Blanco July 19th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Giradi is not moving text from the 3 hole bc he still believes he’s going to hit. I firmly believe in having a wake up call every now and then. I coach a basketball team and will not hesitate at all to move a player to the bench if he’s a starter that’s not producing.

  63. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    VY-

    That’s the trouble sometimes. And there rarely is accountability.

    I would really like to hear what he has to say.

    If he was telling the truth I’d like to know that. If not he deserves to be excoriated publicly so maybe it slows him down the next time.

  64. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Resend it FedEx, then he will have to open it thinking it may be important. Next time use Cashman’s return address at Yankee Stadium. Surprise ! ! LOL !

  65. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    86w183 July 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am -

    As they say – great minds think alike.

    I want Beltran as well, and the players you mentiones should be enough to get it done. I would not give up either Noesi or Nova.

  66. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    VY -

    Funny, but when Cashman sends him someting, it uses a different method of communication. Now, if I had Girardi’s private number to his office, and had one of those voice changing gadgets you see in the movies, I could make a ton of changes before they caught on.

    Talk about fantasy baseball. :)

  67. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I’ll bring my pocket tape recorder just in case.

  68. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Al-

    Sometimes small changes lead to big results, and missing small details too.

    The sum sometimes being greater than it’s parts.

    I like this little proverb:

    “For Want of a Nail

    For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
    For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
    For want of a horse the rider was lost.
    For want of a rider the battle was lost.
    For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
    And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.”

    ;)

  69. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Al-

    let’s hope we’re not missing any “nails” so we can nail down #28.

    :)

  70. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    And all this time I thought you were in the ‘inner circle’.

  71. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    VY-

    And your pinhole camera. make sure the recorder is voice operated.

    ;)

  72. austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    For those insisting on Montero’s promotion, he has now struck out six times in the last two games. That doesn’t build trade value either, and no he isn’t bored. If he is, however, he needs a new profession. Boredom and daily baseball are not a match.

  73. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Austin-

    I believe he is being shopped. Too much smoke there not be a fire IMO.

  74. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    VY -

    In the end, it’s what Cashman wants to happen, that will determine any and all changes, if there were to be any.

    Joe Girardi is a nice guy, you’d love him as a friend, but, you won’t hire him as your CEO. Joe is a good soldier, and he’ll take his orders, and march in line. As I said, a very nice guy, but no Billy Martin type.

  75. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Got it.

  76. ron July 19th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 9:39 am
    Ron,

    Couldn’t you give us positive news?

    I just don’t see why the Yankees think it is not a match unless they are unwilling to bench Posada. Major league players have to produce, and Jorge at 40 does not. Nothing for Jorge to be ashamed of as it happens to every player.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Probably not a match because the mets wan’t to include salary relief for a top prospect in addition to factors we are not privy to.

    Imo,romine will be up soon to catch,montero traded for a pitcher or bat.

  77. austinmac July 19th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    MTU,

    I also think he is being shopped, but I wonder how much his value has dropped with his poor offensive production this year. It is remarkably mediocre. I just committed Lohud blasphemy.

  78. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Very sad day for me when Billy passed. He was kind of nuts which I liked and a great Baseball guy. He was the same way with Oakland as he was in NY although his pride and joy were the Yankees.

  79. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Austin-

    No worries. No one can reach you where you are.

    ;)

  80. ron July 19th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    From RAB.

    There’s always the trade market, and Buster Olney says that while the Yanks have talked with the Mets about Carlos Beltran, they’re only interested in a pure salary dump. Beltran is the best hitter available and the Amazin’s are sticking to their guns about wanting a top prospect in return, and they’re reportedly willing to eat most of the money left on his contract to secure that kind of return. There’s guys like Josh Willingham and Ryan Ludwick, who could probably be had for much cheaper and provide an upgrade over Posada. Beltran’s the sexy name, but I’m fairy certain the Yankees could find a competent DH on the trade market without giving up a top prospect, someone to hit sixth or seventh once everyone’s healthy. Jesus Montero is apparently considered a non-option at this point, so there’s no reason to talk about him again.

  81. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    MTU

    Sometimes people are just blowing smoke.

  82. Doc Iac July 19th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    austinmac…

    careful, any negative talk about montero on this blog could lead to ur disappearance

  83. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    For those insisting on Montero’s promotion, he has now struck out six times in the last two games. That doesn’t build trade value either, and no he isn’t bored. If he is, however, he needs a new profession. Boredom and daily baseball are not a match

    =================================
    Well…….he did homer last night too.

    Rough game for the SWB staff last night. 9 walks, 7 wild pitches, and 2 HBP’s. Randy Flores serving up a walk off homer was the cherry on top.

  84. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    The ‘pack’ is nipping at my heels. They want breakfast and a swim. Ciao for now.

  85. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    MY-

    How’s it goin’ ?

    You may be right. I just think that when our Man Pat M. talks I listen.

    Kinda like EF Hutton, or Nostradamus.

    ;)

  86. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Big Al

    Calling a player out on national tv isn’t my idea of a good manager.

    You are under rating people skills.

  87. Giuseppe Franco July 19th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    A couple of rough games isn’t going to do anything to Montero’s value.

  88. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    But, By moving him up now you may disrupt the roll he’s on. Pitchers will pitch him different hitting in the 1 hole. Last night for example hitting in the 8th spot he drew 2 walks. If he was hitting 1st, I doubt he gets those 2 walks.

    This kind of thinking is counter intuitive. Gardner can’t be moved because it disrupts him, so he stays hot for a month then as he is going through the natural ebb and flow of a season and cooling down he gets his shot at batting first through emergency and doesn’t do well so suddenly he can’t hit first. Put him there while he is hot so he can be a benefit and then when he performs everyone can be happy.

    He went 3 for 4 with 3 runs scored batting first 2 games ago.

  89. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    A couple of rough games isn’t going to do anything to Montero’s value

    ===============================

    Not sure anything with his bat will. One thing that might is that there don’t seem to be too many, beyond those in the Yankees organization, who see him as a catcher.

  90. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    MTU

    Doing good thanks.

    There may be something to it but his name gets thrown out in alot of deals.

    I don’t think the Yankees trade him unless it is a considerable upgrade.

    Based on what Pat M said this could be one of those times.

  91. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    John Sickels report on Brandon Laird

    http://www.minorleagueball.com.....rk-yankees

  92. pat July 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Sounds like some of you want guys moved in the batting order to punish them rather than the end game being making the team better.

    If you are making changes to make the team better, is Derek at 2 and Tex at 5 really the answer?

  93. Bret The Hitman July 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    But, in an interview Monday with the Hunterdon (N.J.) County Democrat, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman seemed to say that the team’s top prospects are available under some circumstances.
    When asked if there is such a thing as an untouchable prospect, here is what Cashman said:
    “Realistically, there are guys that are untouchable for me. But I’ve got bosses, so …”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....z1SYts8tnW

  94. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Cashman has gone deep sea fishing looking to score a Big game fish.

    He’s trolling the waters with Montero bait to see what he can catch.

    If he doesn’t score the big one Montero stays.

    That’s my theory until proven wrong (which it probably will be).

    :)

  95. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Ashmore’s interview with Cashman yesterday

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....n-cashman/

  96. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Too Gritty to handle

  97. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    MTU

    I remember your prediction about Holliday.

    Nuff said. :lol:

  98. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    MTU

    :yankingyourchain:

  99. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Repost-

    If this is the real Gardner, then he needs to be the leadoff hitter, especially against righties, where he can get the most chances to get on base and disrupt the other team, ala Jacoby Ellsbury who jumpstarts the potent Red Sox offense.

  100. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    The Yankees need a real DH.

    Posada is brutal.

  101. Mike Ri July 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    We can cross Beltran off the list

    According to Bob Klapisch of the Bergen Record, the Yankees have ruled out Carlos Beltran.
    The Yanks made contact with the Mets at some point in the last couple of weeks, but ultimately decided that the 34-year-old outfielder was “not a fit,” writes Klapisch. Beltran has drawn serious interest this month from the Phillies, Giants, Pirates Tigers and Braves. He’s likely to net the Metropolitans a decent crop of young talent. Source: Bob Klapisch on Twitter Jul 19, 9:06 AM

  102. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    pat July 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    Sounds like some of you want guys moved in the batting order to punish them rather than the end game being making the team better.

    If you are making changes to make the team better, is Derek at 2 and Tex at 5 really the answer
    ————————————————————————————————————

    Some think you treat these players like a chess piece and move them any where and get results.

    Can’t elimate the human element and the emotion.

    Not everyone is wired the same so some handle things differently.

    Some use it as motivation and some let it defeat them.

  103. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Ashmore: I remember you once told me that no one is untouchable. Is that still the case?

    Cashman: “Realistically, there are guys that are untouchable for me. But I’ve got bosses, so.”

    Thanks for the link GB.

  104. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    YT-

    I thought that line was very telling.

    Also, the bit about Romine.

  105. blake July 19th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I don’t see how you could look at Beltran from an on the field POV and determine he’s not a fit……he’s a perfect fit and would be a significant upgrade to the offense…..now if the current price is too high then ok……but I expect that to drop as the deadline nears.

  106. 86w183 July 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    It’s not THE answer, but it IS a step in the right direction.

    Gardner is the most dynamic offensive player on the team right now and should get more at bats. Hitting him ninth means Martin and the DH get more at bats than he does and that makes no sense.

    Derek has hit in the # 2 spot much more than the # 1 spot during his career and should not have a problem with being back in that familiar role. Tex to # 5 is simply a choice of who should get an extra at bat Tex, Cano or Granderson? I think Tex gets the fewest votes in that election. To me that’s a less important move than leading off Gardner.

    Maine ask yourself this question. If it’s 1st and 3rd one out in the 9th inning of a tie game who would I want to pitch to? Tex? Cano? or Granderson?

  107. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Any time, Trader. Dd you read the Laird scouting report by Sickels?

  108. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Blake-

    There may be lot’s of teams that want beltran.

    Especially if the Mutts are willing to eat his salary.

    It appears they want a good prospect in return.

    I wouldn’t give ‘em one of ours.

  109. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    According to Bob Klapisch of the Bergen Record, the Yankees have ruled out Carlos Beltran.
    ——————————————-
    Unless the Yankees are ready to make Posada a bench player, sometimes relief for Tex at 1st, I don’t see Beltran as helping the offense by sitting the current OF’ers.If he plays full time with all of the Of’ers also rotating some at DH, with Posada sitting, then yes He’d help.

    Look for the Pirates to be in, now that the Mets are willing to pay the remainder of his salary. He’ll create enthusiasm and sell seats and might just get the Pirates into the playoffs as central division winners, even if knocked out in 1st round.

    SJ’s nephew to the Mets??

  110. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    GB-

    That was another great interview to go with the Newman one.

    Thanks.

  111. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    GB-

    Gonna have to start calling you by your nickname, “Scoop”.

  112. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Sure thing, MTU. happy to link it for you

  113. REZ12 July 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Posada cannot start a playoff game

    Neither can AJ, but that is a story for a different day.

    They need a bat, regardless of how Cash tries to dance around it,

  114. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Not sure I would trust you to spell “Scoop” very often without it getting mixed up with a sound alike word.

  115. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Did you read the Laird scouting report by Sickels?
    —————————————–
    GB-
    Just did. With his strong arm will he be a better defensive corner OF’er than 3rd baseman?

    Thanks again.

  116. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    86w183

    None of them.

    People change how they feel about how they’re doing “right now”.

    Tex is peforming below what we would like but that doesn’t negate the talent he has.

    Some here are now starting to write his demise which to me is short sighted.

  117. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    GB-

    “happy to link it for you”

    I always know you were the “missing link” er… would provide.

    Sorry.

    :(

  118. pat July 19th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Maine

    Emotions removed, Derek is the easier solution. Everyone knows where he should be batting if his name was anything except Derek Jeter.

    If Tex isn’t hitting well with Robbie or Alex hitting behind him, not sure that Swisher, Jorge or Martin behind him are going to get him more hittable pitches.

  119. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Trader, I can see him playing all four corners, depending on the short field in that park. He’ll make all of the plays that he’s supposed to make. Outfield? Sort of like Swisher?

  120. REZ12 July 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    “Unless the Yankees are ready to make Posada a bench player,”

    If they make decisions based off performance and giving the team the best chance a win, and not based on the hailstorm he caused in May and fear he will do that again if benched, then Beltran or another bat is a legitimate need.

    They have to upgrade where they can. We all know Jeter isn’t going anywhere, nor being moved in the lineup.

  121. 4time July 19th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    SI_JonHeyman
    #yankees will open #marlins new stadium next year w/ exhibition games, as @joecapMARLINS reported

  122. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    MTU July 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am
    GB-

    “happy to link it for you”

    I always know you were the “missing link” er… would provide.

    Sorry.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Oh, Jesus….that’s bad. Very worthy of you.

  123. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    “Put him there while he is hot so he can be a benefit and then when he performs everyone can be happy.’

    Right now, I like him in the 8 hole with Nunez behind him. If last night is any indication, they are pitching around him, (which plays to his game) maybe to get to Nunez. That benifits both of them. Yeah you lose some AB’s, but I think it’s temporary.

    I am more of the mindset of when you put him 1st, leave him there hot or cold.

  124. MTU July 19th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    GB-

    No one better.

    Or is that worse ?

    :)

  125. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    If last night is any indication, they are pitching around him, (which plays to his game) maybe to get to Nunez

    They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.

  126. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.’”

    Can you look up how many BB’s per 9 he gets batting 1st, as opposed to batting 8th and 9th?

  127. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Tar

    Do you think teams would willingly put Gardner on with his skillset?

    He is 1 behind the lead in SB in the AL.

  128. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “Do you think teams would willingly put Gardner on with his skillset?”

    No. I just think batting 8th he gets (I’m not sure of the right way to put it) maybe less attention ,than he would batting first. Which I feel plays right into his game and benefits him.

  129. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Would pitchers pay less attention to Jeter at the bottom of the lineup?

  130. Mell July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.
    ====================

    Yeah, no way. Last thing you want to do is give him a freebie. Especially when the damage he can do with the bat isn’t especially devastating.

  131. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Maine -

    Having people skills is great, but, winning games is far more important.

    When Reggie Jackson failed to run out a ground ball, Billy waited until he was out in RF, and pulled him out of the game to embarrass him. Was this nice, no, but, did Reggie ever slack off again while playing for Billy, no.

    Billy never cared how big a name you were, only that you gave it your all, every game, every play. That’s how he played the game, and he learned a lot about managing from Casy Stengel.

    Players today are handled with kid gloves, like china dolls that’ll break if their feelings are hurt. Take away the long term contracts, and you’d see greater production from the majority of players.

  132. Bret The Hitman July 19th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Laugh break.

    Funny Youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

  133. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    “Would pitchers pay less attention to Jeter at the bottom of the lineup?”

    Good question-not sure.

    Right now I am liking the Gardner-Nunez dynamic at the bottom of the order. Until Alex gets back, I think they should stick with it.

  134. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Tar -

    Gardner sees more pitches than any other MLB player, so this is an asset at the top of the order. He is a table setter for 2-5, that’s why he should be hitting #1.

  135. BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Later folks, have a great day.

  136. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    “Gardner sees more pitches than any other MLB player, so this is an asset at the top of the order. He is a table setter for 2-5, that’s why he should be hitting #1.”

    How much of this can be attributed to him hitting lower in the order? Would pitcher’s pitch him diffrently if he is batting 1st? How much additional pressure does he put on himself batting first?

    At the right time you move him up and leave him there. Just not sure right now is it.

  137. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    BIG AL July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 am
    Maine -

    Having people skills is great, but, winning games is far more important.

    When Reggie Jackson failed to run out a ground ball, Billy waited until he was out in RF, and pulled him out of the game to embarrass him. Was this nice, no, but, did Reggie ever slack off again while playing for Billy, no.

    Billy never cared how big a name you were, only that you gave it your all, every game, every play. That’s how he played the game, and he learned a lot about managing from Casy Stengel.

    Players today are handled with kid gloves, like china dolls that’ll break if their feelings are hurt. Take away the long term contracts, and you’d see greater production from the majority of players
    ———————————————————————————————–

    I think you’ve heard the term “losing the team”?

    How Billy did things was a good way to have the players tune him out.

    It’s not a way for a manager to have long term sucess.

    I think Showalter has some of those same traits and that’s why he doesn’t stay anywhere to long.

  138. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Billy never cared how big a name you were, only that you gave it your all, every game, every play. That’s how he played the game, and he learned a lot about managing from Casy Stengel.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    The bigger the name the more Billy was apt to embarass them.

    It was more about Billy’s ego than the player.

  139. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Billy Martin was a very innovative and imaginative manager. He also butchered more pitching staffs than any manager that I’ve ever seen. Much like Buck Showalter, he was a great little fixer that tended to wear out his welcome very fast and run his players into the ground.

  140. Erin July 19th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    BryanHoch Yankees.com: Vote for chance to play with Yanks legends http://atmlb.com/qBWemb

  141. Erin July 19th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    New Post- Robertson: “The changeup was the pitch to go to”

    :arrow:

  142. Tar July 19th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I’m not as sophisticated as some at lookin up stats but I can see that Gardner for 2011

    Batting 1st he has 11 BB in 111 PA .321 OBP.

    Batting 8th he has 14 BB in 78 PA .508 OBP. That’s even better, coincidence?

    Actually his slash line batting 8th for his career is great.

  143. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    GB7

    I think some of what Billy did was good in the short term but didn’t have long term sucess.

  144. LockDown July 19th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    If last night is any indication, they are pitching around him, (which plays to his game) maybe to get to Nunez

    They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.
    ———–

    +1

  145. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.

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