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Nova pulled after rolling ankle in Columbus

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 19, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova was pulled in the second inning of tonight’s Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees game in Columbus. Nova already had three strikeouts when he came out of the game.

Joe Girardi said he heard that Nova rolled his ankle. Donnie Collins reported that it happened on a comebacker.

Girardi said he’s not sure the severity of the injury or how long Nova will be out. It’s worth noting that George Kontos followed Nova with 2.2 scoreless innings, getting four strikeouts of his own.

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105 Responses to “Nova pulled after rolling ankle in Columbus”

  1. Tyler July 19th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Tough break. Hopefully it’s nothing major. He provides fantastic depth in AAA and sounds like he was dominant down there. The guy is going to be a very, very good major league pitcher whether that’s with the Yanks or somebody else…

  2. blake July 19th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Scranton is a dangerous place apparently.

  3. m July 19th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    I don’t think he’s hurt. Just has coloradophobia.

  4. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Meh, having Jeter leading off only really affects the first inning. A lot of you want him batting 9th, but after the first it really is the lineup flipping over. I know the argument of giving him that many extra PA over the full season, but that’s not the reason why we struggle at times. Across the board, the averages are woeful (with the exception of Cano and Gardner atm)

    You’re also missing the synergy that certain spots have in the lineup. Batting Garder behind a bunch of slow guys. Jeter behind him who is an aggressive hitter. And the RISP factor. Jeter gets lots of tries with RISP, probably thanks to Gardner’s ability to get into scoring position. He isn’t doing well there. Flip flop them. Let Gardner get in RISP for guys who count. Also consider that Gardner is hitting around guys who are all slumping and making outs. Put him with the big dogs so they can create runs.

    Is it any coincidence that Gardner bats leadoff and scores every time he gets on base in Toronto?

    The whole point of batting Gardner 9th is the ‘second leadoff hitter’ thing right? Thats looking at a lineup after it turns over. Why can’t Jeter simply get that role? You’re giving him the most outs infront of the better hitters against the pitchers he struggles the most against!

  5. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    WOW!!! Who knew that synegy was a sabermetric stat?

  6. TheStraw July 19th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Once again, I have never seen any statement by Jeter indicating he would resist being moved in the batting order. How is any of this on him?

  7. m July 19th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    JF,

    Good points. But it’s not happening this season. Not happening.

  8. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    WOW!!! Who knew that synegy was a sabermetric stat?

    Well pointing out how appalling Jeter has been vs righties doesn’t seem to get anyones attention, but I am more than happy to show my broad range in discussing less stat-focused reasons for batting Jeter 9th vs RHP.

  9. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Blake-

    Start with Bard and Lowrie, finish with Drew Sutton and Josh Reddick + minor leaguer+ autographed Herschel Walker football.

  10. Bret The Hitman July 19th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Jose Reyes is looking like a must-sign right now.

    I’m starting to think Jeter is done.

  11. pat July 19th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    KenDavidoff #Yankees’ fingers crossed that Nova will be all right. Already had him scheduled to start in 7/30 doubleheader against #Orioles.

  12. Benny Blanco July 19th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Rolling an ankle is not that serious.( depending on how he rolled it).. hopefully its just a minor sprain…

  13. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    10-2 bottom 6th Colorado still at bat, doubt any need to extend Jimenez next inning after a long rest this inning

  14. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    With Nova scheduled to make the start in one of the double header games against Baltimore on the 30th and can’t go, wonder if Noesi gets the start instead or does Warren get a call-up?

  15. TheStraw July 19th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    The yanks are not signing Reyes. Period.

  16. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t know if they’ll look into Reyes or not…but he makes a lot more sense than Fielder does.

  17. LockDown July 19th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Hopefully it’s just a tweak of the ankle & nothing more.

    The Yankees will not sign Reyes. They already have a SS.

  18. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Jeter down to .242/.286/.297 vs Righties. Come on when all 3 of your slash lines are in the 2s…

  19. GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Jerky, you need to find somebody else to fall in love with besides yourself, though I doubt that anybody but you could stand being with you.

  20. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    WOW!!! Who knew that synegy was a sabermetric stat?

    ================

    Funny stuff above.

    So what did you think of the ending of ‘The Final Countdown’ ?

  21. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    With Nova scheduled to make the start in one of the double header games against Baltimore on the 30th and can’t go, wonder if Noesi gets the start instead or does Warren get a call-up?

    ————————————————–
    ? will one of them be traded away by then?

  22. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    NO Reyes…… ick

  23. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m trying to recall if you have ever been in favor or signing or trading for anybody :)

  24. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Jerky, you need to find somebody else to fall in love with besides yourself, though I doubt that anybody but you could stand being with you.

    I thought I had LGY and Rich? I also have my large hermit crab terrarium, my guns, an indoor bamboo plant, and the Yankees. Loves in the air.

  25. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Tough loss tonight. Jeter and Tex, line drive hits have deserted them both.

  26. m July 19th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Yeah, not excited about Reyes. Though Jeter is declining (can still play well a SS tho), and Nunez…ugh.

  27. Ghostwriter July 19th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Repost:
    Ghostwriter July 19th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    “As an overall player, Tex is better,”

    ———-True.

    “but Giambi was waaay better offensively after he stopped being a .300 hitter.”

    False. You’re way overstating it. Giambi was at best a shade better than Teixeira in their respective first three years. In his first 3 years as a Yankee, Giambi’s OPS+ as a Yankee was 147, and Tex’s was 132. And Tex drove in more runs (90 RBIs per 162 game season for Tex v. 86 for Giambi).
    ==================

    Actually, now that I look at it a little more deeply, it seems that the bulk of the case for Giambi’s offensive superiority over Tex seems to be predicated on Giambi’s ability to draw more walks. Tex got more hits, runs, RBIs, and total bases than Giambi in terms of 162-game averages during their first three years as Yankees… At any rate, they are much closer to each other offensively than it appears at first glance.

  28. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Jerkface

    This a good article for you to read and then see if you can poke holes in the #.

    Pete Abe comparing Cano and Little Dusty.

    Guess who he gives the nod to.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....readerComm

  29. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Blake, lately not, lol…….but I have valid reasons for not wanting any of the guys most people want.

  30. Ghostwriter July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Good night, all.

  31. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    There isn’t a GM in baseball that would rather have Pedroia than Cano for the next 5 years.

  32. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Jimenez left in the game on 2nd with bases loaded,now end 6th and I guess they want to push Jimenez out there for another inning.

  33. m July 19th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Did Giambi mostly DH his last year(s)? Then Tex is the better player. Tex makes the whole infield better, and he can at least start and end a double play.

  34. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    I was no fan of Giambi – I wanted him gone badly by the time the last year of his contract rolled around – but at least he only had that 1 year left. We’ve got Tex for another 5 years at huge $$ – and he’s already possibly starting a decline. It’s scary how bad this contract could prove to be

  35. Against All Odds July 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    # Bret The Hitman July 19th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Jose Reyes is looking like a must-sign right now.

    I’m starting to think Jeter is done.

    —————————————–

    To get him it’s going to take Crawford money

  36. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    “Jimenez left in the game on 2nd with bases loaded,now end 6th and I guess they want to push Jimenez out there for another inning.”

    they want him to try and get that ERA down under 4 before the deadline ;)

  37. G. Love July 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    This is what is maddening about following this team. They all, with a few rare exceptions, pretty much across the board underachieve, but the collection of talent is so deep they keep a healthy winning record.

    It’s a strange team to root for when on most night’s you’re watching highly paid guys not live up to their potential or the back of their baseball card’s, but because the team has so much ability they keep winning a lot more than they lose.

    So many offensive players are playing below their norms/potential, but it’s still enough to keep the team winning more than losing.

    It’s bizarre. As a fan you see guys playing horribly and want to be upset but then you look at the won/loss record and you realize the team is succeeding more than it fails.

    The offense was pitiful tonight. That said, Granderson’s gaffe in CF is what cost the game. They were on their way to winning this one with another awful offensive performance.

    Logan didn’t lose the game. Putting the blame on him tonight isn’t fair. If you were watching the game, Granderson’s misplay made the margin for error 0. The comebacker to Logan on the mound should have been handled, but that wasn’t the result of poor pitching. It was poor fielding on his part. He did his job.

    The team feels like it’s another deep slump where a couple of guys show up and the rest just coast until the slump ends.

    The makeup of this offense is a problem. If this is post PED baseball where consistency goes out the window without speed and steroids, I guess we just have to get used to it.

    I don’t remember the teams in the late 90′s being this hot and cold. We had several guys with the ability to hit .300 or better back in those days.

    Seeing all the .220, .230, .240 hitters makes you sick as a fan. I know they’re trying, but they are awful. Except not awful enough for the team to have a losing record.

    It’s a bizarre team that wins more than they lose but look meek and inept more often than not. Every 10 games or so they have a softball game where they put up double digits and pad their run deferential. Then they go back in the hole until the next offensive explosion game. It’s like clockwork.

    How this will fare in the post season is beyond me. This team could roll through and sweep the post season or be out in the first round with a team batting average of .185.

    They win consistently…they just don’t play well consistently doing so.

  38. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Jeter is seriously hurting the team hitting leadoff against righties but sadly he’s not going anywhere the rest of this season. it’s unfortunate but clearly Joe does not want to ruffle any feathers a la when he moved Jorge to 9th. Jeter is probably one of the worst hitters in the league against righties, but moving him down in the order is apparently akin to pissing all over his legacy and lambasting all of his past contributions.

    that being said, they have a good team and they’ll prob make the playoffs, but obviously Jeter is not their only problem. they really need Tex to turn it around, a healthy A-Rod, and Martin to pick it up. another SP would be really nice but it all depends on who is available and what the price tag is.

  39. West Coast Yankee Fan July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    “NO Reyes…… ick”

    I love LoHud for the intellectual, nuanced baseball opinions one can get here.

  40. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    False. You’re way overstating it. Giambi was at best a shade better than Teixeira in their respective first three years. In his first 3 years as a Yankee, Giambi’s OPS+ as a Yankee was 147, and Tex’s was 132. And Tex drove in more runs (90 RBIs per 162 game season for Tex v. 86 for Giambi).

    Uh OPS+ 147 vs 132 is enough for me. Its a 15 percent difference in production. Thats like going from Hideki Matsui to David Dejesus.

    .248 .397 .503 .900 vs .250 .358 .488 .846

    Give me the guy that gets on base and hits with more power.

  41. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    105 pitches fastball max at 93

  42. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    I think Tex can make some adjustments and remain productive for the life of his contract….he’s a hard worker and he’s young enough to make adjustments. He does need to change some things though as his swing likely won’t age very well as it currently is.

  43. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    blake

    Did you read the article?

    I read some of the comments and a few called him out for cherry picking his stats.

  44. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Ghost

    You shouldn’t be including 2009 from Tex. 2009 is not the issue.

    It’s what Tex has become SINCE then. Which is a 125 OPS+ player.

    People are underrating Giambi’s bat and overstating the impact of his glove.

    I think Yankee fans just have bad memories of Giambi’s decline years.

    Wait until the final few years of Tex’s contract. The perception and memory of his production will change.

  45. Pat M. July 19th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    OK Face, you’re on record that Giambino is the better ballplayer than Texeria….Betsy, Giambi was 31 when he signed with The Yanks, Texeria is now 31….Bad contract ????

  46. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    *the impact of Tex’s glove*

  47. Ghostwriter July 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Actually, now that I look at it a little more deeply, it seems that the entire case for Giambi’s offensive superiority over Tex seems to be predicated on Giambi’s ability to draw more walks. Tex got more hits, runs, RBIs, and total bases than Giambi in terms of 162-game averages…

    ———

    I overstated this. It looks like Tex also had about 60 more plate appearance than Giambi in addition to everything else. Still, .269/.408/.528 for Giambi and 0.267/0.368/0.518 for Tex is damn close.

  48. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Tex has to get really hot to save his batting average and on base. I never thought he’d hit .200 for a month in the summer. He was supposed to get hot! He hit .350 last july!

  49. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Blake, he’ll probably be productive, but the Yankees didn’t pay him to just be productive – they paid him like one of the best players in baseball. He was supposed to help be the anchor of the lineup once Alex went into real decline, but I think now the Yankees better hope that Alex can stay healthy for the next few years.

  50. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    maine,

    I skimmed it….they had something similar on RAB awhile back. Pedroia is a good player…..but Cano is better and I don’t see any amount of grittyness that bridges the talent gap between the two.

  51. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Pat M, yes……..not because he won’t be decent, but because when you hand out contracts like this you’d best be getting back a superstar. Tex is good, but he’s flawed – he’s just not as good as he was before he got here.

  52. Ghostwriter July 19th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Ghost

    You shouldn’t be including 2009 from Tex. 2009 is not the issue.
    ——————
    You can’t cherry-pick like that–picking Tex’s worst years to compare with Giambi’s best?

  53. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    OK Face, you’re on record that Giambino is the better ballplayer than Texeria

    Still, .269/.408/.528 for Giambi and 0.267/0.368/0.518 for Tex is damn close.

    First comment, no I am not. Learn to read, Pat, you’re really getting on my nerves with this baby whining you’re pulling not understanding what I am saying. I already said Tex is the better overall ballplayer, but talking specifically about OFFENSE, unless Tex makes a drastic turn around he is hitting worse than a decline age Jason Giambi. I don’t care about steroids or offensive era. Tex is younger and if he needs steroids to match Giambi he should take them. His on base is under .350. He is being paid 20+ million. He has been lost at sea for a month now.

    Second, Ghostwriter, that isn’t close at all. Giambi has a superior OBP and superior slugging. Its a 50 point gap. Which is the difference between a .900 OPS and an .850 OPS… or a 1.000 OPS and a .950 OPS, or the difference between an MVP and being merely in the top 5 at your position.

  54. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Letting Jimenez throw 120 pitches fastball was 91-93 taken out with 2 out one on top 7th.

    Blake-

    Not impressed enough with Jimenez to consider giving Colorado the haul they’ll request. Verlander is much better. I’ve seen him in high 90s late in the game.

  55. Captain Clutch July 19th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    If Cashman and Girardi are too scared of Jeter to move him down in the lineup what makes anyone think that they would sign Reyes and boot Jeter off of SS???!? It would never happen. Jeter’s feelings are put before the team and it will stay like that until he retires.

  56. MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Instead of by the diving Jeter it was past the statue that is Giambi.

  57. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    “He was supposed to help be the anchor of the lineup once Alex went into real decline, but I think now the Yankees better hope that Alex can stay healthy for the next few years.”

    It’s tough for anybody to replace the production Alex provided in his prime…..anytime you evaluate Tex vs say Gonzalez for Boston you have to consider that the Yankees have won a WS since they signed him…..and that Boston had to trade away their 3 best prospects for their guy. The Yanks could have waited and got Gonzalez instead…..but they may have had to trade some combination of Montero, Banuelos, and Betances to get him.

  58. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    You can’t cherry-pick like that–picking Tex’s worst years to compare with Giambi’s best?

    Its not cherry picking if you leave out Giambi’s .300 season as well. The point is to compare them when they seemingly ‘changed’. Giambi lost his batting average, and Tex has as well. I thought with his strong opening this year that he was poised to maybe even hit .300 if he had a second half like 09 or could start a second half like 2010 without the injuries (.350, pointing that out again, he beasted last july). Instead he has gone backwards. Its strange.

  59. TheStraw July 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Overstating Tex’s glove? That glove almost singlehandedly saved multiple games in the 2009 championship run.

  60. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Its not cherry picking if you leave out Giambi’s .300 season as well. The point is to compare them when they seemingly ‘changed’.

    ———————-

    Yes.

  61. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 19th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    i think Tex is definitely more talented overall than Giambi, but he’s not been showing it. he’s getting too stubborn with the shift, trying to still “play his game” and hit it through the shift, the problem is, he’s not Ted Williams. i understand that if you get him to try to hit a grounder the other way he’s not hitting home runs which is his forte, but with no one on base, solo home runs aren’t exactly gamebreakers anyhow. i really wish he would use more of the field and get his average up.

    i also think Tex is getting frustrated this year, i’ve seen him chase way more pitches than in the past. lots of good hitters counts, 2-0s, he’ll chase a pitchers pitch and get himself out unnecessarily, which is bothersome for a guy with a supposed strength of discipline and a good eye.

    really hope he can heat up for the rest of this summer soon.

  62. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Trader,

    gameday had Ubaldo sitting at 95 and touching 96 the whole game and had him at 95 a few times in the 7th. I’d much rather have Verlander sure….but he’s not going anywhere. I wouldn’t pay the asking price for Ubaldo either currently……if it came down….then maybe. I think he could be a beast if you got him out of the thin air….nobody can pitch there.

  63. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Overstating Tex’s glove? That glove almost singlehandedly saved multiple games in the 2009 championship run.

    ———

    Overstating his glove in the sense that it makes up for a huge difference in offensive production.

    People just take the assumption that since Tex is so much better than Giambi defensively, he’s automatically the better player.

    What is the break even point?

    There has to be a certain gap in offensive production, where the glove no longer makes up for it.

  64. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    my ubaldo scouting report: he’s throwing great. no pouting. no red flags. #reds, #rangers, #redsox, #tigers, #yankees
    25 minutes ago

    Heyman has spoken.

  65. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    TV had Jimenez at 91-93max in 7th inning.

  66. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    2003-2008 Giambi: .248/.397/.503 136 OPS+

    2010-2011 Tex: .250/.358/.488 126 OPS+

    And that includes Giambi’s old decline years, while Tex is still supposed to be in his prime.

  67. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    WC:

    How’s things at the beach front ? Any dolphin sightings lately ?

  68. TheStraw July 19th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    I don’t really understand why we are evn comparing them. The fact is, if Tex continues on an arc similar to giambi’s, he will play his way out of town the way Giambi did, contract or no contract.

    But it is a little early to say that he is an offensive liability.

  69. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    “There has to be a certain gap in offensive production, where the glove no longer makes up for it.”

    I’m sure there is but it’s not in this case. Giambi was a stud hitter for about 4 years….then he became a 30 homer guy that hit .250, walked a lot, was hurt a lot, and was a terrible defender. Of his 7 seasons in NY he missed about half the season in 2 of them.

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan July 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Hey Bobby, I’ve been working a lot no beach outings lately. How’s Gio and the crew?

  71. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    “TV had Jimenez at 91-93max in 7th inning.”

    they used the humidor on that gun ;)

  72. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Blake, that’s very true…….but Tex wasn’t the only reason they won the WS. I think over the life of their contracts, Gonzalez will prove to be the better player/deal. Also, I don’t recall that package the Sox traded for AGon to be all that great. I like Tex – he’s a GREAT first baseman – he’s better than Tino (and Tino was tremendous) – though not as good as Donnie. To be fair to him and to not lay this all at his feet, Cano has had a disappointing year relatively speaking. He has to do more of the heavy lifting on a consistent basis because few in this lineup are capable of it. This is why I’m afraid to trade Montero. Even if he just becomes good and not some super stud, he’s young……..and this is an oldish team

  73. Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Just for fun I’m going to look at what I thought Tex would be at right now

    He hit .344 .462 .698 1.160 last July.
    He hit .243 .351 .541 .892 through June this year

    You add them together and his line at the end of July would be…

    .270/.380/.580 – 959, which would be a .110 point jump in OPS. Or better than 2 giambivations

  74. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    no red flags
    ————————————————–
    i beg to differ Jon heyman-120 pitches in 62/3rd innings-too many 3-2 counts. Not worth the cost as first described.

  75. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Pat,

    Why are you getting so butthurt about this Giambi/Tex thing?

    If you feel Tex is better that is your opinion and you have every right to it, but actually bring your argument to the table instead of reverting to the watch the games stuff.

  76. Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    When in doubt, throw the Sox and the Yankees into the mix chasing the same pitcher, lol. I can’t see Jimenez being traded – who’s going to do a Hershel Walker type deal?

  77. G. Love July 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    At this point in time the Tex debate really comes down to what he’s doing now. What he did in the past is done. What he’s doing now isn’t enough for what the Yankees are paying him and where they choose to hit him in the order.

    The legacy of 3 hitters for the Yankees has taken a nosedive with Mark Texeira this year. He’s a feast or famine mess of a hitter who cannot be relied upon to drive the offense.

    I see no reason to think he’s going to correct his swing. How do you tell a guy with 5 more guaranteed years and 100+ million coming to him that what he’s doing is wrong and needs to be fixed. All he’s going to think is my swing is what got me that deal so I’ll keep banging into that shift.

    It sucks to see Adrian Gonzalez be that much better than Tex. He’s a complete hitter. Tex is messed up masher now.

    That said, Tex will get a hot streak going soon and everyone will forgive him for playing this poorly all season long.

    He’s not worth the money he’s being paid right now. I’d rather pay Pujols 23-25 million a season going forward than Tex.

    If this is some 31 year old age related decline happening somehow before our eyes, the next 5 years will be brutal no matter how many throws he saves in the dirt playing 1b.

  78. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    I’m sure there is but it’s not in this case. Giambi was a stud hitter for about 4 years….then he became a 30 homer guy that hit .250, walked a lot, was hurt a lot, and was a terrible defender. Of his 7 seasons in NY he missed about half the season in 2 of them.

    ——————

    How do we know Tex won’t break down as he gets older as well?

  79. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Betsy,

    The package that the Padres got was questionable….but they did get arguably the best 3 guys in the Sox system…..so you have to figure they would have asked for the same of the Yankees.

    Gotta to to bed. Night everyone.

  80. Pat M. July 19th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Face ….I’ll simplfy this so even you and your absolute view of the game of baseball…….Jason Giambi did not make the NY Yankees a better team, Mark Texeria does and will continue to do so….I don’t understand how you can rag on a guy that averages 100 runs, 30 plus hr’s and knocks in over a 100 per season….Now tell me who in the history of the game has accomplished these feats since becoming an everyday ballplayer ???? Maybe it’s a little early to write the guy off don’t you think ????

  81. blake July 19th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    “How do we know Tex won’t break down as he gets older as well?”

    we don’t….but he’s more athletic than Giambi and it’s assumed that he didn’t use steroids. His swing worries me a bit as he ages and I’ve written about that numerous times. Night all.

  82. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Keeping me running, heating up now finally to start to cook the grapes. These guys are going through a lot of water everyday now, as in gallons.

    Friggin herd of camels.

  83. luis July 19th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Good night everyone

  84. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Giambi missed half the season in 2004 and 2007. In 2004 he had that tumor that sidelined him and affected his hitting when he was playing through it.

    2007 was the the season where he was really injury plagued. His other seasons he didn’t play every game, but he was in there the vast majority.

    Even after he stopped being a .300 hitter he was a force offensively.

    In 2003 he played 156 games and had a .939 OPS.
    -2005: 139 games, .975 OPS
    -2006: 139 games, .971 OPS

  85. Yankee Trader July 19th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    I’m outta here too. Good night all.

  86. West Coast Yankee Fan July 19th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Reality check Yankee Fans!!! No one can deny that both A-Rod & Teixeira have been in decline for the most part from 2008 to 2011 (to date):

    Teixeira:

    BA: .308 – .292 – .256 – .239
    OBP: .410 – .383 – .365 – .344
    SLG: .552 – .565 – .481 – .496
    OPS: .962 – .948. – 846 – .840

    A-Rod:

    BA: .302 – .286 – .270 – .295
    OBP: .392 – .402 – .341 – .366
    SLG: .573 – .532 – .506 – .485
    OPS: .965 – .933 – .847 – .852

  87. I Am Winning July 19th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    The Yankees had the better ERA in this game, but because of the crappy stadium, they lost. Unbelievable. I’m sure the Rays have lost plenty of times that way too, but what an awful design flaw.

  88. m July 19th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    I don’t recall Giambi playing to those numbers. He was tough to watch near the end. Loved to swing from the laces.

    Anyway, Tex is here, and not going anywhere. I’d look at this as a slump more than the beginning if the end.

  89. LGY July 19th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Face ….I’ll simplfy this so even you and your absolute view of the game of baseball…….Jason Giambi did not make the NY Yankees a better team, Mark Texeria does and will continue to do so….

    —————–

    Giambi didn’t make the Yankees a better team?

    He had the highest OPS on the team in 2002, 2003, 2006, and second highest in 2005 and 2008.

  90. Vineyard Yankee July 19th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 19th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    LOL ! It’s tough getting long in the tooth, except they just continue to drink that ‘kool aid’ as if the fountain of youth actually exists.

  91. G. Love July 19th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    West Coast,

    While seeing Tex’s numbers drop the way they have is sobering, Arod looked, to me, to be having a bounce back year and the numbers indicate that. He was hitting better than last season’s stats on a bad knee that sapped his power.

    If the knee surgery works and he comes back strong I think he’ll put up great numbers. He was totally banged up. Every time the poor guy ran 2nd to home or 1st to 3rd you could see the pain he was in.

    I have no explanation for Tex’s huge drop in the past 4 years. It’s scary when you put the numbers out there to look at like that as you see the trend right before your eyes.

    He’s too young to play this poorly and by poorly I mean by his career standards.

  92. Jerkface July 20th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    I’m intrigued by the idea that a .900 OPS DH / 1B bat didn’t help the team. I wonder how you’ve managed to watch baseball all these years and come to that conclusion. I seem to recall him and A-rod going back to back for the tie and win against bob wickman in cleveland, or a certain grand slam that helped the team win.

    No one is writing off Tex, I have been one of his biggest supporters on here which you seem to have missed. I think his defense and overall athleticism have helped the team greatly, but dude needs to hit.

  93. Jerkface July 20th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    It wasn’t long ago that Tex was hitting .300 with RISP, even that number is down to .240.

  94. Jerkface July 20th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Tex has 4 RBI in July, thats ridiculous.

  95. Jerkface July 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    4 runs in the same month.

  96. LGY July 20th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Giambi had a .925 OPS as a Yankee.

    This Yankee team has Granderson with a .931 OPS and then A-Rod all the way down at .852.

  97. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 20th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    the Yankees definitely weren’t planning on Tex hitting like this already in his contract. with his puzzling production and A-Rod’s decline, it makes me wonder if they will somehow find the room for Prince Fielder or Pujols.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan July 20th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    G. Love July 19th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    West Coast, While seeing Tex’s numbers drop the way they have is sobering, Arod looked, to me, to be having a bounce back year and the numbers indicate that. He was hitting better than last season’s stats on a bad knee that sapped his power. If the knee surgery works and he comes back strong I think he’ll put up great numbers. He was totally banged up. Every time the poor guy ran 2nd to home or 1st to 3rd you could see the pain he was in.

    I have no explanation for Tex’s huge drop in the past 4 years. It’s scary when you put the numbers out there to look at like that as you see the trend right before your eyes. He’s too young to play this poorly and by poorly I mean by his career standards.

    ****************

    G. Love – There are many who say that a ballplayers prime is often 26-27 years of age give or take, and when taking into accounts individual genetics and other variables, one could make the case that Teixeira “possibly” is in an age related decline at 31. It’s not without precedent as Andruw Jones pretty much dropped off the face of the earth at age 30.

    As to A-Rod, I agree with your assessment but am concerned that due to age issues, the injuries will come more frequently and the recovery time will increase each time. You can’t fight father time.

  99. I Am Winning July 20th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    In my own personal opinion, Tex isn’t necessarily declining. He is walking, hitting homers, hitting doubles, his numbers are all there. However, what he is missing is the singles. By no means am I saying singles aren’t important, they are extremely important, but Tex is up to par, if not better is almost every stat, other than singles.

    If you had .60 (which is a lot, but again, those are all singles) to the numbers that WCYF posted, he will, again, be up to par, if not better than his career averages.

    When I think of a declining player, I think of a lesser defensive player, less power, more aggressive (less walks), and MORE singles than anything, it’s really the other way around for Tex.

    Now, I don’t have any rhyme or reason, or even a solution for this, but I think it’s absurd to think he is in the stagings of declining as a ball player. Other than hit singles, he has done very well.

    That being said, this freakin’ guy needs to get some more singles!

  100. Jerkface July 20th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    When I think of a declining player, I think of a lesser defensive player, less power, more aggressive (less walks), and MORE singles than anything, it’s really the other way around for Tex.

    Sluggers when they decline tend to walk more I think, they get less aggressive and hone their strike zone. But I do agree that Tex is primarily missing singles, and he does have an extremely low BABIP (but being a flyball hitter can do that when you don’t hit linedrives). His power and walk rates are in line with his career, but he can’t get balls to fall in.

  101. RS July 20th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    At least if the Yankees were to sign a Fielder or Kemp to a huge contract, they’d have reason to bump Tex out of the 3-hole.

  102. ron July 20th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Teixeira’s obp is not there & a player with his power should be ops’ing higher.

  103. I Am Winning July 20th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    ron,

    It would be odd for a player to have (simply for arguments sake) 50 less singles, and 50 more walks, lowering his AVG, but keeping his OBP up to par.

    As I previously mentioned, his OBP would be above his career average if he were hitting more singles to raise it. It’s not as if he isn’t walking at all.

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