Robertson: “The changeup was the pitch to go to”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 19, 2011 
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For me, Brett Gardner’s slide was the turning point of last night’s game. In a larger scope, though, the key might have been the work of the Yankees bullpen. Mariano Rivera got the save, and Hector Noesi got the biggest out with that bases-loaded strikeout, but it’s worth remembering that Dave Robertson found a new way to overwhelm hitters last night.
When he opened the eighth inning with strikeouts against Johnny Damon and Ben Zobrist, Robertson didn’t get the outs with fastballs or curveballs.
“I was facing some of the top hitters in this league,” he said. “With Johnny and Zobrist, I had to make pitches. The changeup was the pitch to go to right there because I felt I could get them out with it. I had to make sure I used it so that I couldn’t get hurt with it.”
Not getting hurt with it meant keeping those strike-three changeups on the outside part of the plate. The element of surprise — especially against a familiar face like Damon — was as important as anything.
“That’s pretty much it,” Robertson said. “I’m hoping to get away with one there and (let) that be it. If it doesn’t work, I’m going to go back to my strengths which is my fastball and curveball.”
The changeup won’t be — and shouldn’t be — a go-to pitch for Robertson. He makes his living with the fastball and the curveball, but the fact he was willing to go changeup in that situation says a lot about his confidence in his third pitch. Robertson said he couldn’t remember whether Russell Martin called for it or if Robertson had to shake to it — he thought Martin called for it from the beginning — but either way, Robertson said he was thinking changeup from the beginning.
“It just gives hitters something else to think about when I’m pitching because I’m not afraid to throw it,” he said. “I’ll throw it pretty much any time. I just don’t use it as much as I probably should.”
Right now I am liking the Gardner-Nunez dynamic at the bottom of the order.
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I like the dynamic as well, they are both really fast and Nunez is aggressive which I think feeds into the yankees doing double steals. However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more
D-Rob is the man.
Got to run soon.
All I can say is Wow.
D-rob with a CU too.
Scary.
Enjoy the game tonight. Pressure is all on TB.
“It just gives hitters something else to think about when I’m pitching because I’m not afraid to throw it,” he said. “I’ll throw it pretty much any time. I just don’t use it as much as I probably should.”
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This is advice Burnett should use. It would also be good if Phil Hughes used a changeup occasionally. Adding another pitch to an arsenal and not being afraid to use it can’t ever hurt a pitcher.
“However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more”
Gardner has a better OBP batting 8th.
Mr. All-Star
Tar
According to some all Gardner does is look for walks.
“However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more”
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“Gardner continued his monster streak at the dish, fresh off his huge series in Toronto. He had that single in the eighth but also drew a pair of walks, and he saw a total of (get this) 31 pitches in his five plate appearances. That’s pretty insane, but you know what else is insane? Granderson had two hits and two walks and he saw 32 pitches in his five plate appearances. That’s 63 pitches of the 191 thrown by Tampa pitchers (33%) to just two players. They also combined to steal three bases as well (two by Grandy). Ridiculous.”
-RAB
That’s 63 pitches of the 191 thrown by Tampa pitchers (33%) to just two players. They also combined to steal three bases as well (two by Grandy). Ridiculous.?
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They’re quite the dynamic duo.
Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Right now I am liking the Gardner-Nunez dynamic at the bottom of the order.
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I like the dynamic as well, they are both really fast and Nunez is aggressive which I think feeds into the yankees doing double steals. However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more
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I don’t – stacking Gardner and Granderson is just asking for a team to bring in a lefty and while Granderson has been better against LHP than at any other time in his career – it’s just not a good percentage play.
Repost
I’m not as sophisticated as some at lookin up stats but I can see that Gardner for 2011
Batting 1st he has 11 BB in 111 PA .321 OBP.
Batting 8th he has 14 BB in 78 PA .508 OBP. That’s even better, coincidence?
Actually his slash line batting 8th for his career is great.
Any ideas why he’s had more success batting 8th than 1st?
Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:08 am
If last night is any indication, they are pitching around him, (which plays to his game) maybe to get to Nunez
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They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.
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Because when he was batting 1st or 9th at the beginning of the year he wasn’t good. We’ve been over this. After Jeter went down he was just fine batting first. No one let him bat first while he was hitting .350.
He hit really well batting first in 09 and 2010
Jerkface July 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Right now I am liking the Gardner-Nunez dynamic at the bottom of the order.
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I like the dynamic as well, they are both really fast and Nunez is aggressive which I think feeds into the yankees doing double steals. However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more
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The Gardner-Granderson combo is the best combo IMO.
Having Nunez (9) – Gardner (1) – Granderson (2) is a wicked 1-2-3 combination and offers our most dynamic and exciting combination to manufacture runs
Robertson is just nasty…..starting to think more and more that he’s the closer when Mo os done…..which may be awhile but still.
Before he moved up in the batters box he went 2 for 18 and 3 for 22 batting first, but he also went 2 for 19 batting 9th. Its not like he had some mental block about where he was batting. He was mechanically off and coming off wrist surgery. K Long moved him up in the box and he has hit .318 .400 .462 .862 since.
“If last night is any indication, they are pitching around him, (which plays to his game) maybe to get to Nunez”
“They are not pitching around Brett Gardner to attack Eduordo Nunez. Gardner doesn’t have enough power for that to make sense.”
When I posted that I had no idea of BB totals for the year or his career. After looking at those totals, I am even more convinced that something is different. Maybe pitching around him is not the right term, but they are pitching him differently.
They should go:
Gardner
Jeter
Granderson
Cano
Teixera
Until Alex gets back……
I like your line up blake..
Man, is it really only noon?
Beltran has a no trade…..which means he may not want to go to some of these small market teams that might have a shot.
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Shame Spencer July 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Man, is it really only noon?
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Spoiled east-coaster. It’s only 11:00 by me!!!
Blake,
For a couple of months, why should Beltran care? If he gets hot and powers, say, the Pirates, to the playoffs, his reputation would only be enhanced, like CC’s was in Milwaukee.
When I posted that I had no idea of BB totals for the year or his career. After looking at those totals, I am even more convinced that something is different. Maybe pitching around him is not the right term, but they are pitching him differently.
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Sample Size. Pitchers are not smart enough to pound the zone against Gardner when he bats first to then completely abandon the idea when he bats 8th.
They should go:
Gardner
Jeter
Granderson
Cano
Teixera
Until Alex gets back……
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Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Tex
Swish
Posada
Martin
Jeter
Nunez
Yankees lineup looks real short without A-rod. They should bring up Montero.
Oh, boy. just in time for a “Gardner should bat first and Jeter should bat 9th” debate. This is something you don’t see every day.
Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.
just read the article someone posted on laird,
im anxious to see him get into a game
Yanks having a big power outage in July.
No HRs from Tex, Swish and Jorge and only 9 total from the team as well as less X-BH in general.
Yankees lineup looks real short without A-rod
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Anyone needing an Alex fix go to the movies this weekend and see Friends With Benefits. A-Rod cameo!!!!
Did Laird ever make it to the game yesterday? I heard his plane was delayed
Oh, boy. just in time for a “Gardner should bat first and Jeter should bat 9th” debate. This is something you don’t see every day.
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We should talk about the similarities between Austin Krum, Ray Kruml, and Brett Gardner.
Tom,
Because he should go to the teams that have the best chance of.making the playoffs both to have a chance to win and to increase his value for his new contract.
LockDown-he got there. Not sure what inning it was, but it was later in the game.
Dante might turn into a nice pick…..
Jeter is swinging the bat better than Posada and Martin…..
LGY July 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Oh, boy. just in time for a “Gardner should bat first and Jeter should bat 9th” debate. This is something you don’t see every day.
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We should talk about the similarities between Austin Krum, Ray Kruml, and Brett Gardner.
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Maybe you should. There minor league numbers are a lot closer than you want to admit.
Erin – UGH!! Sometimes I feel Mondays get a bad rep and its really Tuesdays that deserve all the hate. Or maybe Tuesday is hated just as much but its a silent hatred…
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AJ?
BreakingNews: Rupert Murdoch hit in face with a plate of shaving foam while testifying.
SIYanks Congratulations Casey Stevenson – Named @nypennleague Player of the Week for the 2nd time in his career!!! @MinorLeagues @YankeesPR
Jerkface,
Montero is not hitting with six Ks in the last two games. His minor to major statistical conversion would be ugly. You do recall Pena’s OPS was as high as Montero’s?
I wish it was otherwise.
Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Tex
Swish
Posada
Martin
Jeter
Nunez
Yankees lineup looks real short without A-rod. They should bring up Montero.
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I posted a similiar lineup yesterday. Except put Jeter before Martin (swap them) and replace Posada with Montero (on days he DHs while Martin catches)
Shame-they’re both just awful days. LOL
Montero is not hitting with six Ks in the last two games. His minor to major statistical conversion would be ugly. You do recall Pena’s OPS was as high as Montero’s?
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Uh who cares about his ~last 2 games~, he has an .866 OPS in his last 10 games with 3 HRs. He has more talent than Ramiro Pena. Player progression isn’t always linear, or ever linear.
pat July 19th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
AJ?
BreakingNews: Rupert Murdoch hit in face with a plate of shaving foam while testifying.
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Montero will be in the big leagues by the first week in August if he’s not traded. They’ll keep him down until the deadline passes.
Blake,
Just by his presence, Beltran raises playoff chances for almost all the small-market teams mentioned.
I noticed Teix hitting toward the opposite side. I wonder if he’s trying to beat the shift.
I hope he figures it out. He’s so crucial to our lineup atm
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Tom,
True…..but if Im Beltran Id rather go to a team that has a better shot at making it……he should only accept a trade across town
Blake,
I’d love to see that small-market team across town get him, too, but maybe the Mets get more elsewhere.
Sorry GB
“Sample Size. Pitchers are not smart enough to pound the zone against Gardner when he bats first to then completely abandon the idea when he bats 8th.”
Bull. Career
Batting 1st.
333 PA 33 BB .350 OBP
Batting 8th
249 PA 37 BB .435 OBP
There is a difference and it’s not coincidence or sample size.
Bull. Career
There is a difference and it’s not coincidence or sample size.
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In 2010 he had the same amount of walks in the same amount of PA’s batting 1st or batting 8th. Same amount of strike outs as well. You’re grasping at straws. 250 and 300 PA is not enough to say that pitchers are treating him differently based on batting order. Not to mention he hasn’t had fair work in both spots. He spent most of his time batting first this year while in a physical/mechanical slump.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees unwilling to trade big prospect for reliever; think theyll be ok in pen. seek SP but still see ubaldo as longshot
Duh…..reports otherwise are hogwash. Cashman would never trade anybody good for a relief pitcher.
“Montero is not hitting with six Ks in the last two games. His minor to major statistical conversion would be ugly. You do recall Pena’s OPS was as high as Montero’s?”
When Cano was a 21 year old in AAA, Bubba Crosby out OPS’d him.
Jerkface:
Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Every manager with a decent left handed reliever would love for the Yankees to go with that.
Tar,
It doesn’t make a damned to me where anyone bats, but, the issue with me is Gardner’s hesitance in running. Lately, he has run earlier, but, he’s done that before, same as standing at the plate looking at 3 strikes. That was the mode that he was in for more than a month, just before he started this latest streak. He started the season standing and looking and then when he made it to first base, stood around pawing at the dirt while hitters waited for him to decide whether he needed to wind his ass or scratch his watch. Right now, he’ as streaky as anybody on the team.
Montero’s first half OPS doesn’t change the fact that he can hit…..what did he OPS in the first half last year?
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.
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Just so I can prepare myself – do you intend to give us updates on every Dante Bichette at bat between now and whenever (or if ever) he hits the majors?
blake July 19th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Montero’s first half OPS doesn’t change the fact that he can hit…..what did he OPS in the first half last year?
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Blake,
On the flip side, Montero’s ability to hit doesn’t change the fact that, at present, the Yankees have no place to play him on a regular basis.
When Jorge wasn’t hitting I was all for bringing Montero up. My plan was to send Cervelli down, bring up Montero and let him DH and have Jorge serve as the emergency catcher. When Martin needed a break, Montero would go behind the plate and Jorge (or someone else) could DH.
But the fact is that Posada is hitting better, Martin is playing well behind the plate (and has been hitting since the ASB) and so there’s no place for Montero right now. I’m sure that will be re-evaluated after the deadline.
GB7
My take on Gardner is he has improve with increased playing time.
He has been platooned less and that seems to be when things started improving.
I think you are a bit harsh on him when he isn’t the only one that hasn’t been playing up to par.
When he was struggling to get on base it was said it affected his confidence to steal when he did get on.
“You’re grasping at straws.”
Gardner has a good eye. Batting 8th allows him to utilize that great eye a lot more than batting 1st ( yes pitchers will pound the zone to him ). Gardner will have a better OBP batting 8th over 1st. And yes part of his success this year is where and who he has bat against.
Is that enough to keep him out of the 1 hole, it shouldn’t long term but I think yes for now.
I’m out have a good day everybody.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
GB7
My take on Gardner is he has improve with increased playing time.
He has been platooned less and that seems to be when things started improving.
I think you are a bit harsh on him when he isn’t the only one that hasn’t been playing up to par.
When he was struggling to get on base it was said it affected his confidence to steal when he did get on.
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Sorry, but I totally disagree.
I think Gardner is a streaky player who happens to be in the middle of a hot streak right now.
It’s a chicken/egg thing – does Girardi platooning him make him go cold or does Girardi platoon him when he gets cold?
As for Gardner’s base running – I think it’s easier to steal when you’re at the bottom of the lineup than when you’re at the top and you’re risking taking the bat out of the hands of guys like Tex, Alex and Cano.
Jorge…..as much as I love him is slumpling pretty badly again.
Chip
His hot streak went along with more regular playing time.
Maine, I have nothing against Gardner or anybody else on the Yankees. He’s just not as perfect as a few people think he is. I’d like nothing better than to see him hit .320 and steal 75 bases from the lead-off spot. I want what’s best for the Yankees, not my ego while trying to prove that I know everything…because some idiotic computer says so.
I agree with Chip. Regarding Gardner, just like Granderson, the proof is in the doing and in consistency over time. Gardner has a history of disappearing for 30-40 at bats so the jury is still out as far as I am concerned.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Chip
His hot streak went along with more regular playing time.
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But did he get that playing time because he was playing better or did he play better because he was getting more playing time?
blake July 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Jorge…..as much as I love him is slumpling pretty badly again.
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And if he continues I’ll be right there chiming in for Montero.
But we all agreed that for Montero to be on this club it would take a combination of factors:
1. Injury/ineffectiveness of Martin or Posada
2. Montero’s performance dictating that he be here
Thus far #2 has not manifested.
There’s a school of thought that he’s bored in AAA and just going through the motions. If so then maybe he plays better when/if he’s called up. But that attitude tends not to get rewarded in Yankee universe (ask Jose Tabata)
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.
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Just so I can prepare myself – do you intend to give us updates on every Dante Bichette at bat between now and whenever (or if ever) he hits the majors?
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What’s the matter, little man. Does it bother you? I’ll post every at bat just because you seem to enjoy it so much.
GB7
I don’t think he’s perfect and he does have things to improve on.
He just seems to be an easy whipping boy when things don’t go well.
Then when he does make improvements some arn’t willing to give crecit for that.
His base stealing and bunting has improved alot.
Little things like that hard slide into second are also a skill that is part of his game.
He brings something to the Yankees that they haven’t had in a long time.
It’s nice to see them have 2 very good defensive OF for a change.
the change-up was awesome. i would have been fooled just like the rays hitter’s were.
i think Hughes can learn a thing or two about throwing a change-up more often to keep
the hitter’s honest and possibly fool them.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.
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Just so I can prepare myself – do you intend to give us updates on every Dante Bichette at bat between now and whenever (or if ever) he hits the majors?
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What’s the matter, little man. Does it bother you? I’ll post every at bat just because you seem to enjoy it so much.
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I just find it curious…is it just Bichette or do you keep your eye on all 18-year old boys?
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Chip
His hot streak went along with more regular playing time.
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But did he get that playing time because he was playing better or did he play better because he was getting more playing time?
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I guess Joe’s the one to answer that question.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Bichette opens his first at bat with an RBI double. I think that he’s getting the hang of this hitting stuff that everyone talks about.
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Just so I can prepare myself – do you intend to give us updates on every Dante Bichette at bat between now and whenever (or if ever) he hits the majors?
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What’s the matter, little man. Does it bother you? I’ll post every at bat just because you seem to enjoy it so much.
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More to the point though – why do you have to be a tool everytime you type? Can’t you just say something like “Hey, I enjoy following our prospects and there are others who do too. I have the time to follow his games, not everyone does so I’m just offering up some reports.”
You really do bore the heck out of me.
Rosenthal:
Chip, be nice.
GB likes to shoot out minor league updates. You like to propose trades that run from “makes sense” to “flippin’ crazy”.
Plenty of room here for both.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Chip
His hot streak went along with more regular playing time.
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But did he get that playing time because he was playing better or did he play better because he was getting more playing time?
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I guess Joe’s the one to answer that question.
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I agree – but since the goal is to win I’m guessing that when he and his coaches see Gardner heading into a slump that’s when they start tweaking with his playing time to hopefully limit the damage. That said, I don’t know the answer but I trust that Girardi is doing the best thing for the team.
Mell July 19th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Chip, be nice.
GB likes to shoot out minor league updates. You like to propose trades that run from “makes sense” to “flippin’ crazy”.
Plenty of room here for both.
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I agree.
My “18 year old boys” response was uncalled for. Mostly a result of GB (as is his typical method) going on the defensive and becoming a tool when responding to my question rather than acting like an adult. Sadly I lowered myself to that level rather than moving on.
Moment of weakness.
Chip
agree – but since the goal is to win I’m guessing that when he and his coaches see Gardner heading into a slump that’s when they start tweaking with his playing time to hopefully limit the damage. That said, I don’t know the answer but I trust that Girardi is doing the best thing for the team.
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So why is he the only one you think this applys to?
Posada is batting two and a quarter with no power and its almost August. I cant remember the last time we had a hitter in the regular lineup that wasnt the catcher for 4 months batting that low. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by bringing up Montero to take his place at dh and do some catching occasionally. I can bet my life on him batting over the 225 mark and at least hes a homerun threat as well. Time to pass the baton.
Having said that. I believe hes traded before month end.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
GB7
I don’t think he’s perfect and he does have things to improve on.
He just seems to be an easy whipping boy when things don’t go well.
Then when he does make improvements some arn’t willing to give crecit for that.
His base stealing and bunting has improved alot.
Little things like that hard slide into second are also a skill that is part of his game.
He brings something to the Yankees that they haven’t had in a long time.
It’s nice to see them have 2 very good defensive OF for a change.
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Maine,
Not that it makes a bit of difference to Gardner or anyone, but, I do give him credit for his improvements. All I’m saying is that up until now, these things have run in vicious circles. He has these circles where he’s afraid to swing, afraid to run…where’s he’s more concerned about missing the ball than he is hitting it. He was never like that in the minors. He has talent for doing the little things, as long as he’s not afraid of failing. I’d love to see him become Maury Wills of the Yankees. He’s got that sort of skills.
Posada will be gone at the end of the year. It has already begun with Jones PH for Posada last night (Did Po pout?) You’ll start to see that more often I’ll wager, and Po either moved down the lineup or replaced altoghter. If his BA doesn’t start picking up, I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi left him off a PostSeason roster in exchange for a pitcher (keeping Jones or another DH bat).
End speculation.
SoS – you beat me to it. Jorge’s time has passed.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Chip
agree – but since the goal is to win I’m guessing that when he and his coaches see Gardner heading into a slump that’s when they start tweaking with his playing time to hopefully limit the damage. That said, I don’t know the answer but I trust that Girardi is doing the best thing for the team.
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So why is he the only one you think this applys to?
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Because benching Gardner causes the least amount of problems.
Obviously, Posada earlier this season earned a benching – but given how the poop hit the fan when Girardi tried to move Jorge down in the lineup imagine the distraction that would come from benching him?
Martin is offensively not performing but his defense is there and given the kind of player Girardi was I think he’ll always value defensive ability from a catcher over gaudy offensive numbers.
Swisher also lost some playing time against RHP when the team called up Dickerson and now that he’s gotten back on track he’s playing regularly.
GB7
I understand your frustration.
I just don’t share the same level as you.
Maybe where you follow the minors you look at it as a pupil not making the progress you hoped for.
sunny615 July 19th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Posada will be gone at the end of the year. It has already begun with Jones PH for Posada last night (Did Po pout?) You’ll start to see that more often I’ll wager, and Po either moved down the lineup or replaced altoghter. If his BA doesn’t start picking up, I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi left him off a PostSeason roster in exchange for a pitcher (keeping Jones or another DH bat).
End speculation.
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Unless he’s injured Posada will be on the post season roster. Girardi will not embarass Jorge that way.
If Po is back to his .200 or below BA, he might. Yankees might care a little bit more about winning another WS than Posada’s wounded pride. (At least I would hope so).
Maine, more like streaks of reverting back to his earliest days when he went through this. It’s a lot like he’s trying to prove that he’s a hitter with more than just his speed. I just want to see him be the player that he’s supposed to be. controlled aggression.
Pedroia is another trying to be something he’s not. He fancies himself as a power hitter, and he has a swing that won’t age well.
Chip
I think that’s a bunch of bull in regards to why Joe likes Martin.
He doesn’t have a better option right now anyway.
You are mistaken about Swisher being platooned.
Being replaced for defense in the late innings is not the same.
sunny615 July 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
If Po is back to his .200 or below BA, he might. Yankees might care a little bit more about winning another WS than Posada’s wounded pride. (At least I would hope so).
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I highly doubt it. For one thing, it isn’t as if the Yankees have someone else here or in AAA who is beating the door down to take his roster spot.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Chip
I think that’s a bunch of bull in regards to why Joe likes Martin.
He doesn’t have a better option right now anyway.
You are mistaken about Swisher being platooned.
Being replaced for defense in the late innings is not the same.
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You’re entitled to your opinions too.
There were some games (not many) where Girardi benched Swisher in favor of Dickerson.
Gardner got it worse when he struggled for a couple of reasons – it gave Girardi an opportunity to play Andruw Jones without having to play him at DH – so he could DH Alex or Jeter – and unlike the other guys – Gardner doesn’t have a track record that suggests he’s anything but a streaky player.
Phil needs to use the change – not a lot, but he really needs to overcome his fear of using it. However, the curve is a lot more important at this stage, so I’d rather him work on that.
Yeah, I would hope we wouldn’t trade a big prospect for a reliever.
IF Montero is not traded then he needs to be brought up to replace Cervelli. Like said many times by many here, Montero would be the BUC/DH.
It doesn’t have to be a distraction for Posada, because he would be viewed as a mentor to Montero.
If Posada continues to be the DH and isn’t hitting and is in the post season to not offend Posada, then clearly Girardi isn’t doing what’s best for the team.
GB7
Pedroia is one that has proved his detracters wrong many times.
I agree his swing won’t age well but I’ve noticed he’s been going more to RF than in the past.
He’s becoming quite a pest and I’m getting sick of him.
I highly doubt it. For one thing, it isn’t as if the Yankees have someone else here or in AAA who is beating the door down to take his roster spot.
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I believe that will change come August 1st. Either by trade or Jesus being called up. I think Cashman is dangling Montero and doesnt want to risk a slump in the big leagues before the deadline passes. Once its gone, its sink or swim for Jesus. Assuming hes still a Yankee.
Told #Yankees briefly entertained idea of acquiring Carlos Beltran but “it’s not a fit.” #Mets – klapisch
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
GB7
Pedroia is one that has proved his detracters wrong many times.
I agree his swing won’t age well but I’ve noticed he’s been going more to RF than in the past.
He’s becoming quite a pest and I’m getting sick of him.
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he’s like a roach. Step on him before he breeds.
Gardner, for a guy making peanuts and is “homegrown” (Insert angels singing after the word “homegrown”) gets so unfairly criticized here it’s not funny.
When Cano, Tex, Jeter, Swisher etc. go through “slumps” where they look worthless we’re all treated to the verbal beatdowns that “they are streaky!”, “it’s only a slump”.
Brett Gardner went through a baserunning slump earlier this year. Now he’s over it. He wasn’t the mental midget you all made him out to be. He was slumping. Whether it was over confidence or lack of confidence, all of the hitters on this team go through similar slumps with their offensive games.
What have we seen lately from Gardner? Better baserunning. Better bunting ability. Aggressiveness all around in his offensive.
Does that mean he’s going to play like this the rest of the season? Probably not. He’ll hit another rough patch just like all the high salaried guys keep doing and keep being made excuses for.
Gardner shouldn’t be the focus on the team’s problems. We have a DH who can’t hit. A catcher who can’t hit. A 1b who is good for a 1-4 or 1-5 a game and nothing more. A SS who had a mythical 5 hit game, looked to be himself and now is looking like the offensively challenged player we were seeing the majority of the season again. You add up what our SS, 1b and DH makes and add up what Gardner makes and tell me where we’re getting the most value for the dollars on this team.
Gardner’s not perfect. He slumped early. He’s hot now. I’m sure he’ll slump again. Why not? Every other star on this team is more prone to slumping than producing these days.
Montero, Chavez, or Jones may take Posada’s spot.
GB7
I guess I have more patience for Gardner then you because I’m not as old.
Anyone worried about Tex struggling at the plate with Alex shelved? Would it help to put Cano ahead of him until we get our dh back? I know Cano is protecting Tex in the lineup. But maybe having Cano ahead of him having yet another guy that gets on base will lessen the chances of teams going to the shift and maybe it allows more of the balls hit to find some holes.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not ripping Gardner. I just think he’s a streaky player.
That’s not a rip.
Sorry meant Alex back.
I do not understand Cashman laying the groundwork to blame whatever trades may go down at his owners feet. Please – he’s made all these players, including Romine and Nova, untouchable? If he really thinks those are untouchable, then maybe he’s out of touch…..and if he’s making some others completely untouchable, then forget any big trades. I get that it’s possible he’s just trying to BS for the media, but that comment .”I’ve got owners, so………” is idiotic.
G love.
very good post
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Anyone worried about Tex struggling at the plate with Alex shelved? Would it help to put Cano ahead of him until we get our dh back? I know Cano is protecting Tex in the lineup. But maybe having Cano ahead of him having yet another guy that gets on base will lessen the chances of teams going to the shift and maybe it allows more of the balls hit to find some holes.
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I don’t think you’re going to see Cano ahead of Tex – I think Girardi likes having Tex splitting up the LH bats.
“Told #Yankees briefly entertained idea of acquiring Carlos Beltran but “it’s not a fit.” #Mets – klapisch”
They obviously haven’t seen Posada’s line lately. Or Gardner’s every 10 days or so.
Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I do not understand Cashman laying the groundwork to blame whatever trades may go down at his owners feet. Please – he’s made all these players, including Romine and Nova, untouchable? If he really thinks those are untouchable, then maybe he’s out of touch…..and if he’s making some others completely untouchable, then forget any big trades. I get that it’s possible he’s just trying to BS for the media, but that comment .”I’ve got owners, so………” is idiotic.
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There’s a vast difference between the quotes that Cashman gives to the press and what he says to his staff and other GMs.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
GB7
Pedroia is one that has proved his detracters wrong many times.
I agree his swing won’t age well but I’ve noticed he’s been going more to RF than in the past.
He’s becoming quite a pest and I’m getting sick of him.
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he’s like a roach. Step on him before he breeds.
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It would make you sick to hear the RS announcers drool over him.
LockDown –
I don’t know Jorge beyond his public image, but I highly doubt he’ll embrace the role of “mentor” if Montero is called up to take his at bats.
G. Love July 19th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
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Thank you. Awesome post!
Beltran is a great fit…….the price may not be. They should look at pitching first but if that doesn’t work out they should push for him.
Right now I am liking the Gardner-Nunez dynamic at the bottom of the order.
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I like the dynamic as well, they are both really fast and Nunez is aggressive which I think feeds into the yankees doing double steals. However I like a Gardner-Granderson dynamic more
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With Gardner 1, Granderson 2 and Nunez 9 everyone can have all the dynamic they want.
Betsy
I think if Cashmans quotes were meant as you’ve taken them he would be out of a job.
Chip, that’s true, but the owners comment just sounds to me like he’s laying the groundwork to leave….which would be fine with me as I really have tired of him. He’s now become a total prospect hugger.
What’s idiotic is to put credence in anything Cashman or any GM says right now.
Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Hi Betsy, good to see you around.
If you want to build a team from within, certain prospects should be untouchable, the lesser ones should be trade bait, and you compliment the roster with good FA signings. Right now we have an old core, that has to be replaced in the not so distant future. I think Cashman is spot on because he recognizes that reality, gutting the farm right now is not very smart, if we were in the year 2000 or 01 things would be diferent
Betsy,
Ajax and tabata were also UNTOUCHABLE. Isnt it better for Cashman to say players are untouchable than to announce to all GM’s to bring your doggy bags because its an all you can eat buffet in yankeeland?
blake July 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Beltran is a great fit…….the price may not be. They should look at pitching first but if that doesn’t work out they should push for him.
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Pitching, pitching, pitching.
And when you get that look for some more.
Posada has been working with Montero for three years during spring training. He’s worked with Montero more than he has any other catcher. He may not be overly fond of Girardi, but, he has nothing against the young catchers in the system.
Very interested in seeing how Bartolo fares tonight.
I would much prefer going to battle with a CC-Hughes-Bartolo threesome than mortgaging talent for someone who may not even represent a significant upgrade.
I still think Hiroki Kuroda is the Yankees most likely trade target, particularly should Colon appear unhealthy over his next two outings.
Maine, then how do you take them?
Betsy
If he’s a prospect hugger how did he get Granderson?
SOS, those players were never untouchable……
Chip:
No one likes being replaced. But it opens to door to a coaching type job within the organization. And the “mentor” spin could lessen the public blow and ego. But I don’t know him either, so I don’t know how he would respond.
I wish Posada was raking. But he’s struggling with blips of offense thrown in. The Yankees have to look forward. If Montero is still around, he should get the call up since he’s the future.
Maine, true, but I’m still not getting how he goes from “I’ve got several untouchable players” after he said a few years ago that no player is untouchable but “some are more touchable than others” (or something like that).
Tonight D-Rob unveils his knuckleball. It’s on, AL.
There are several streaky hitters on this team. Gardner isn’t alone.
Martin hit extremely well for a month and has tanked ever since.
Teixeira is very streaky. Granderson can be as well. Cano has been more consistent in recent years but he can be streaky too.
Don’t forget Swisher as well. And some guy named Posada.
Hell, at this point, the entire lineup has been streaky this season. But only Gardner is singled out for it?
That doesn’t seem all that fair, especially when he’s got the 2nd highest batting average on the team.
We need pitching not Beltran – what are you going to give up for a 3 month rental – then you have an 18 million dollar salary to deal with, injury prone, no draft picks, etc.
Hi Luis
I’m not advocating gutting the farm at all……
Betsy
Quotes in the paper don’t tell the story.
To often they don’t tell you anything of importance.
Betsy,
I also don’t love Cashman giving himself the teflon coat he gives himself by saying he wouldn’t trade prospects but his owners can make him do so. There’s something creepy and off putting about it. He shouldn’t be planting excuses for himself. If he doesn’t like what his owners ask him to do he should quit on the spot. Do the job you’re paid to do. If you boss tells you get me an ace starting pitcher, go get him one.
That said, he needs to make it seem like dealing one of his best prospects will kill him inside. It probably helps in negotiations to some extent.
Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Maine, true, but I’m still not getting how he goes from “I’ve got several untouchable players” after he said a few years ago that no player is untouchable but “some are more touchable than others” (or something like that).
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That’s why I say don’t put stock in what is quoted in the paper.
“SOS, those players were never untouchable……”
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Not untouchable, but Ian Kennedy was damn good and you better believe that Cashman knew it.
I don’t think he had the cajones to give him another crack at the back of the rotation, particularly after what happened in 2008, but I don’t think for a second that he ever doubted the full extent of Kennedy’s ability. It irks me because I don’t get the sense that Arizona truly valued him the same way, and that the same deal could have been done with a different pitching prospect.
Whatever. We have Curtis Granderson.
I can’t imagine this blog if Montero bombs in the show.
Tonight should be interesting to see how Hellickson reacts to sitting out for 16 days between starts. He should be strong, but, maybe too strong and the sinking fastball stays up and the breaking pitches flatten out. A good young pitcher, but, he can be had if he’s not perfect.
Paying attention to Cashmans public speak before TD is foolish.
Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
I know, but there are four names right now that should be untouchables: Montero, Betances, Banuelos and Nova. To a lesser extent Sanchez, close to be untouchables Murphy, Marshal, IMHO
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Posada has been working with Montero for three years during spring training. He’s worked with Montero more than he has any other catcher. He may not be overly fond of Girardi, but, he has nothing against the young catchers in the system.
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Posada’s not an idiot – he knows that sooner or later he is going to lose at bats (probably a job) to someone. That said, helping a guy who is destined for the minors in spring training is a lot different than putting your arm around the shoulder of that same guy when you’re riding the pine because he’s taken your spot.
SOS, those players were never untouchable……
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Betsy,
Agree to disagree.
They both were the Montero of the farm at the time. One the next Torrie Hunter and the other if i can recall the next Manny once he packed on some weight.
Off to the Trop for the game tonight. Hopefully tonight brings back memories of when everyone would say that “this team hits too many HR’s.” I mean cmon the only person to go deep since the break has been Andruw. Time for some more bombs.
Also, I want to see big games out of Jeter and Tex, especially Tex because he is so crucial to this lineup with Alex out.
Hopefully Big Bart can match the Rookie Ray. GO YANKS!!
Kuroda refuses to move from the West Coast and is not coming East without a lot of compensation. How about fans just wait to see if or how Colon and Garcia rebounds. Contrary to what some think, Hughes will be just fine.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Betsy
If he’s a prospect hugger how did he get Granderson?
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And wouldn’t Montero be here instead of Martin?
Maine, I know that and Cashman has often said one thing and done another. Mind you, I wouldn’t trade Montero, Banuelos or Betances for just anyone, so in that sense they are not THAT touchable.
GLove, yes – it’s offputting – it bothers me. It just doesn’t help matters and frankly the comment was unnecessary. He’s a good GM, but it’s not like he has this incredible track record to the point where he’s teflon.
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Jerkface:
Gardner
Granderson
Cano
Every manager with a decent left handed reliever would love for the Yankees to go with that.
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I am so tired of this.
First, you shouldn’t design your lineup to beat a flipping loogy, you design it to beat the starting pitcher.
Second, vs lhp:
Granderson: .923 OPS
Cano: .940 OPS
and Gardner has hit .288/.383 vs lhp (only slg% down).
So if anything that order would be a trap for opposing managers.
Maine,
If pitching is available at a fair price then I agree ……but if its not then I would rather add a true upgrade to the offense than to give prospects for a lateral pitching move.
I also don’t love Cashman giving himself the teflon coat he gives himself by saying he wouldn’t trade prospects but his owners can make him do so.
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Thing is, the owners can make him do so. Just as they made him swallow losing a #1 draft pick and paying $13M to a moody set up man.
If he doesn’t like what his owners ask him to do he should quit on the spot.
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“The spot” may be sometime in early November, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
SOS, they were never close to being the Montero of the farm but that’s fine – no point in arguing about it.
Luis, no way Nova to me is an untouchable – None of the others even remotely qualify.
With most of the Yankee players on the team having below avg. seasons and not one 300 hitter in the lineup. Its amazing to see us only a game and a half from first and in the playoff picture. This team just finds ways to win.
“Cincinnati is among the many clubs interested in Colorado’s Ubaldo Jimenez. The Reds’ farm system is deep enough that they should be able to put together an offer worthy of consideration.”
http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/.....ef/5612356
Everybody knows that the Yanks need pitching and that’s what wins in the playoffs……but that doesn’t mean you go out and make a bad trade for a guy that’s no better than what you have……..if they can get a true upgrade to the rotation or pen at a fair price…then awesome……but if they can’t then they should look to improve in other areas if possible.
Has anyone considered that Cash is just putting the word out that the owners may overrule him just to see what people are offering? Its probably not in his best interest to have other GMs play a game of supposition with who is or is not untouchable, right? So why not say something like “Well, in my eyes some are but… I have bosses too” in order to get people thinking more creatively with their packages..?
Chip July 19th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Betsy
If he’s a prospect hugger how did he get Granderson?
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And wouldn’t Montero be here instead of Martin?
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Not if he felt he wasn’t ready.
If Cashman only had one trade to upgrade this team. What position would you want him to upgrade?
1. Starting Pitching
2. Catcher
3. DH
4. Right field
5. Bullpen
6.?
I would go DH as I think our starting pitching will keep us in games and our bullpen will allow our offense to comeback on anyone in the playoffs.
Betsy July 19th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Maine, I know that and Cashman has often said one thing and done another. Mind you, I wouldn’t trade Montero, Banuelos or Betances for just anyone, so in that sense they are not THAT touchable.
GLove, yes – it’s offputting – it bothers me. It just doesn’t help matters and frankly the comment was unnecessary. He’s a good GM, but it’s not like he has this incredible track record to the point where he’s teflon.
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Betsy,
You don’t need a track record to be teflon, just the support of ownership. There have been many GMs much worse than Cashman who had job security above their success rate.
That said; he’s right. He may have guys he doesn’t want to trade but if Hal calls him up and says “make the deal” those guys will be traded. Smartest thing he could have said? Nope. But Brian’s been pretty salty this year and so it’s not totally unexpected.
Do I think he’s trying to pave his way out of town? I don’t know. If the Yankees decide to let him walk he won’t be out of work long. Could he be looking for another challenge? Possible.
bw51official Just added some new exclusive photos from my trip to the All Star Game earlier this month in Arizona. Go see… http://fb.me/1a2ycG7vn
Betsy
Would you rate Theo ahead of Cashman?
Shame-I have a question for you.
Would you mind if I ask Chad to send me your e-mail address? I have an “off the blog” question for you.
SoS,
You never have enough pitching, but at the current prices i don’t think there is a deal to be made that makes sense, therefore i would try to get Beltran to bolster the offense
blake July 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Everybody knows that the Yanks need pitching and that’s what wins in the playoffs
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Unfortunately there are many that don’t know it.
Maine, I like Cashman overall…..I’d have to go over all of Theo’s moves to make a real comparison. I don’t think Theo is a genius if that’s what you’re asking – he’s good, though.
There is not one player in the Yankees farm system that is untouchable or should be. They are prospects NOT proven major league performers. You keep those you project the highest if possible – but if the right deal comes along, you do it.
RiverAveBlues A.J. Burnett might be infuriating to watch at times, but he has entered popular culture. http://bit.ly/qaaXaV murdoch burnett
Betsy
On the local sports radio they were making a list of Theo’s mistakes and it was a long list.
I just wondered if you felt he was better and if you did that list might give you a different pespective.
perspective
Yankees everywhere…
dannyburawa Rafael soriano is starting for my team tonight and eric chavez is DHing…pretty cool
I’d say Cashman’s chances of returning are about 50-50. I fear that his replacement would be a Levine-Trost puppet.
He obviously didn’t want the Soriano deal “on his resume’ ” Possibly his real desire is to hang onto everybody in leiu of not landing an ace. Which I think most of us agree with.
Bronx Jeers July 19th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Spot on, very good post
Erin – Not a problem at all. I wish LoHud had a private messaging function at times.. and then I imagine my in box being full of snark and hatred.. and I wish for it even more
If Cashman isnt coming back. Why wouldnt he just unload the farm in trades to help his chances in putting another title on his resume?
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Because it would hurt his legacy i guess
Shame- LOL
Very cool-I’ll e-mail him later today.
Bronx Jeers
It would’nt have been as credible if Cashman waited till Soriano got hurt and then laid the balme on the owners.
JackCurryYES Cashman on Jimenez and the price for pitchers. http://t.co/3ZVeR6x
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ll be really surprised if Cashman doesn’t come back.
Shame Spencer July 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Erin – Not a problem at all. I wish LoHud had a private messaging function at times.. and then I imagine my in box being full of snark and hatred.. and I wish for it even more
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You better watch it because Erin will fill it with Muppets.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Shame Spencer July 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Erin – Not a problem at all. I wish LoHud had a private messaging function at times.. and then I imagine my in box being full of snark and hatred.. and I wish for it even more
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You better watch it because Erin will fill it with Muppets.
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Don’t spoil the surprise.
Cashman will probably return if he wants to return. The Steinbrenners trust him and he’s done a pretty good job for them.
He’s made mistakes, but so has every other GM. Overall, though, it’s tough to complain about the job he’s done the last decade plus.
Bichette finishes the day at 2-5 with a double and 2 RBI.
No idea how good most of these hitters are or just how bad the pitching is in that league, but today’s Yankee 8-5 win is a pitcher’s duel.
Final box score
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....k_phlrok_1
Giuseppe Franco July 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Cashman will probably return if he wants to return.
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agreed.
“He’s made mistakes, but so has every other GM. Overall, though, it’s tough to complain about the job he’s done the last decade plus.”
Agreed. Sometimes I think people just pour all their hate on Cash because they forget that Randy Levine is still out there.. lurking..
Erin July 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
JackCurryYES Cashman on Jimenez and the price for pitchers. http://t.co/3ZVeR6x
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Cash is no fool.
Just about every single team is asking for a lot of players in return for just 1 player.
The market right now is heavily leaning towards the “seller”.
I’m fine with making no moves.
Then again, I don’t pay much attention to the rumors, twitter reports, etc…
Its all a guessing game and 99% of the “tips” are misleading.
Why get caught up in all the chaos and conjecture? No thanks!
Erin
I just figured I’d beat GB7 to the punch.
If Cashman leaves, I think it’s by his choice and Eppler gets the job.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Bichette finishes the day at 2-5 with a double and 2 RBI.
No idea how good most of these hitters are or just how bad the pitching is in that league, but today’s Yankee 8-5 win is a pitcher’s duel.
Final box score
http://web.minorleaguebaseball…..k_phlrok_1
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Who cares!
Cash is definitely acting like a guy with a long term contract and that’s to his credit.
The easiest thing for him to do is tell Colorado pick out four guys not on the MLB roster and they are yours.
Maine — from earlier thread I don’t think tinkering with a lineup is a criminal offense. Moving guys around based on how their going is like letting your back up “two guard” play extra minutes because he’s 5-5 from three point range.
A lead off hitter might only lead off once a game, especially in the AL, so I think that aspect of it is overrated. Letting your best on base guy and base stealer hit 8th or 9th is poor utilization of a great resource.
Big Al — Billy Martin pulled Reggie for loafing on a pop fly which looked like it could have been easily caught, not running out a grounder. If Girardi reacted like that Cano would be pulled 5X a week because he rarely busts it on ground balls.
For all you 80′s cartoon lovers. My kids told me this morning that cartoon network is having a new Thundercats series beginning next week. Im embarrassed to say, I will be watching cartoons again..with my Captain Crunch cerial of course.
Speaking of cartoons. Watched Rango this weekend. Pretty good movie. Also the Lincoln Lawyer wasnt too shabby as well.
Who cares!
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Only two people. I was going to keep it to myself, but, the other person was whining and sobbing for updates. He even waited so long that the toast burned at the IHOP he works at.
Now whenever I see “Cap n’ Crunch” I think “CC’s Slim Fast”
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
If Cashman leaves, I think it’s by his choice and Eppler gets the job.
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Epler?, why not Openhaimer
It would?nt have been as credible if Cashman waited till Soriano got hurt and then laid the balme on the owners.
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True.
And it’s probably inappropiate to lay “balme” on the owners anyway. Actually it sounds pretty gross.
I think before Cashman decides to come back, he’ll want to hear ownership’s plan for the offseason. Are they going to push for CJ Wilson (best starter available) at all costs? And if they don’t get him, will they push for Cashman to make a big trade regardless of the cost in prospects?
I think Cashman is open to trades and FA signings, but he doesn’t want to add another albatross contract or empty the farm for a question mark (Jimenez). Granderson and Swisher acquisitions are probably his happy medium, unless a true superstar comes along (whether FA or via trade). If ownership is going to push him to empty the bank for another Soriano, then he probably will not want to stay.
And I too fear that if Cashman leaves, the Steinbrenners will hire a Randy Levine-puppet who goes after big names and isn’t creative enough to buy low or sell high on players. Cashman may not be a perfect GM, but does anyone have faith that the Yankees can bring in someone better?
GB7,
Keepem coming my friend. I enjoy your daily minor league updates. Thats the only minor league fix I get and its greatly appreciated. Saves me from doing my homework. I like hearing about our young studs shining in the lower levels and watching them climb the ranks. Looking forward to seeing Laird get some at bats.
86w183
You point guard analogy doesn’t apply because you adjust that in game based on performance.
I wasn’t just referring to leadoff hitters.
Some wanted to make multible changes to the line up based on current performance.
I think Cashman has a decent idea of how much to value the various prospects vs. the player(s) they are looking to get. This early, many clubs look to fleece the club that is trying to get a player for the big push. As time goes by their demands will either decrease or they weren’t really serious about trading.
I understand players that are due for a large pay increase or hitting FA are ones that usually go in the trade market, but I don’t get why a club would do a fire sale type thing and dump players that they would have for a while under favorable terms. Ubaldo comes to mind with this last issue. He is cheap for what he seems likely to do. He is also under control for a while. Granted, they would and should be able to get a decent amount of prospects or near ML ready players for him, but he is a good pitcher. Why give up one of the more important pieces of the team when they seem like they could be close to being a contender given the league and division they play in?
I agree there is a red flag with Ubaldo or YouBaldy as Girardi will call him.
Not sure what it is, but there is something there to bring a question.
cartoons were great in 1999 and 2000
dexters lab and johnny bravo!
luis July 19th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
If Cashman leaves, I think it’s by his choice and Eppler gets the job.
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Epler?, why not Openhaimer
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Oppenheimer is too busy building The Gadget to drop on Selig.
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
For all you 80??s cartoon lovers. My kids told me this morning that cartoon network is having a new Thundercats series beginning next week. Im embarrassed to say, I will be watching cartoons again..with my Captain Crunch cerial of course
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mmmmm…Cap’n Crunch.
I may have to make a stop at the grocery store on my way home.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Who cares!
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Only two people. I was going to keep it to myself, but, the other person was whining and sobbing for updates. He even waited so long that the toast burned at the IHOP he works at.
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I couldn’t resist.
What the heck was AJ Burnett doing at the Rupert Murdoch hearing???
Red Sox have scored almost 40 more runs than us. Batting 18 points higher than us, 5 more doubles, higher OBP and SLG.
We have 9 more HRs than them but they are ahead of us in every other category, some by a considerable margin.
A bat is a need.
Nick in SF July 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
What the heck was AJ Burnett doing at the Rupert Murdoch hearing???
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Red Sox have scored almost 40 more runs than us. Batting 18 points higher than us, 5 more doubles, higher OBP and SLG.
We have 9 more HRs than them but they are ahead of us in every other category, some by a considerable margin.
A bat is a need.
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There some sort of trophy for leading the league in runs and OPS???
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
GB7,
Keepem coming my friend. I enjoy your daily minor league updates. Thats the only minor league fix I get and its greatly appreciated. Saves me from doing my homework. I like hearing about our young studs shining in the lower levels and watching them climb the ranks. Looking forward to seeing Laird get some at bats.
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SoS,
I do the updates for a few reasons. One is that I enjoy seeing what’s in the pipeline, and I really do enjoy going to the minor league games. Many on here enjoy the updates from people like TY and YankeeFem. If they don’t, ignore it. I wouldn’t mind seeing a minor league section on here for just that reason. Of course I’d like to see a section for idiots and trolls, too. When they go into there, they get locked in and are never heard from again.
REZ12 July 19th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Red Sox have scored almost 40 more runs than us. Batting 18 points higher than us, 5 more doubles, higher OBP and SLG.
We have 9 more HRs than them but they are ahead of us in every other category, some by a considerable margin.
A bat is a need.
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They need that much offense when they give up 10 runs to the O’s.
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Who cares!
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Only two people. I was going to keep it to myself, but, the other person was whining and sobbing for updates. He even waited so long that the toast burned at the IHOP he works at.
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I couldn’t resist.
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Damned trouble maker
GB7
I wondered where randy was.
You intend to let him out soon?
We need pitching not Beltran – what are you going to give up for a 3 month rental – then you have an 18 million dollar salary to deal with, injury prone, no draft picks, etc.
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They need both. And Beltran does not cost 18 million. The rangers didn’t beat the Yankees because they lacked for hitting.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Who cares!
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Only two people. I was going to keep it to myself, but, the other person was whining and sobbing for updates. He even waited so long that the toast burned at the IHOP he works at.
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I couldn’t resist.
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Damned trouble maker
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I wasn’t before I came here.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I wouldn’t call it the Troll’s blog it’s not enticing enough, I would call it the omnipresent ,all knowing, never wrong blog, LOL
Speaking of the minor league updates, thanks GB. I typically don’t post but I always enjoy reading your updates.
mmmmm…Cap’n Crunch.
I may have to make a stop at the grocery store on my way home.
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I recently had a similar issue with Apple Jacks.
I think I could eat cereal all day long.
Just so all of us are clear on the subject,
have the Yankees traded for anybody yet today?
Nick in SF, well done!!!
Nick in SF July 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
What the heck was AJ Burnett doing at the Rupert Murdoch hearing???
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Duh, winning!
I wasn’t before I came here.
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And people said that blogs and computers were destroying peoples ambitions…turning them into turnips. You’ve learned a new trade…professional troublemaker
Bronx Jeers July 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I recently had a similar issue with Apple Jacks.
I think I could eat cereal all day long.
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LOL I’ve actually never been a big cereal person, but I make an exception for Cap’n Crunch.
Anybody got news of the International free agents ??
For anyone interested:
WSJ Here’s an annotated image of the pie attack on Rupert Murdoch, which identifies key figures in the room: http://on.wsj.com/qttf5v
My pleasure Kelvin. Also read the updates from YankeeFem and TY36. They spend a lot of time going to the games and post some great info. TY has photos that she usually posts on here. Most will never be heard from, but, it’s a time killer on off or slow days. I prefer the updates from those that watch the games over the ones like Law, who has never seen 2’3rds of them.
luis July 19th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I wouldn’t call it the Troll’s blog it’s not enticing enough, I would call it the omnipresent ,all knowing, never wrong blog, LOL
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I think we know who would take that over.
Now you’ve gone and gave GB the big head Kelvin….he will eat a meat lovers pizza and drink a 6 pack of beer in your honor.
86 – how did you like going to the games in Toronto? Where did you stay? Any trouble getting tickets?
“WSJ Here’s an annotated image of the pie attack on Rupert Murdoch, which identifies key figures in the room: http://on.wsj.com/qttf5v”
What was AJ Burnett doing in London the morning after he pitched?
Am I too late?
Erin July 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
For anyone interested:
WSJ Here’s an annotated image of the pie attack on Rupert Murdoch, which identifies key figures in the room: http://on.wsj.com/qttf5v
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The guy on the right doesn’t seem terribly shocked. It must happen every day.
“Uh, Rupe…dessert’s here.”
MaineYankee July 19th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
luis July 19th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I wouldn’t call it the Troll’s blog it’s not enticing enough, I would call it the omnipresent ,all knowing, never wrong blog, LOL
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I think we know who would take that over.
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Yup
LOL I’ve actually never been a big cereal person, but I make an exception for Cap’n Crunch.
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Erin,
Were we seperated at birth? Next your going to tell me your a huge Yankee fan and also happen to be a Colts fan. Whats your take on peanut m n m’s? I tried to go with almond m n ms but they rip you off and give you less per pack. BTW i didnt need to count them. It was too obvious.
Speaking of getting ripped off. Whats up with Chips bags being only half full when you open them? Same goes for candy they sell at movie theatres. Its a big box, you open it, its in a plastic back that a third of the box size. Not cool.
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
LOL I’ve actually never been a big cereal person, but I make an exception for Cap’n Crunch.
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Erin,
Were we seperated at birth? Next your going to tell me your a huge Yankee fan and also happen to be a Colts fan. Whats your take on peanut m n m?s? I tried to go with almond m n ms but they rip you off and give you less per pack.
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We must be related somehow. Cap’n Crunch, Yanks, Colts….
Gotta go with the peanut M&Ms over almond. BTW, have you tried the pretzel M&Ms? Very good.
Eroc,
Nick beat you to the punch. But its still funny.
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
The guy on the right doesn?t seem terribly shocked. It must happen every day.
?Uh, Rupe?dessert?s here.?
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Some of the expressions are a riot. Some people look outraged, and for others it’s like “all in a day’s work” LOL
Erin,
Not into chocolate pretzels. I do however like a chocolate covered pretzel with peanut butter in the middle. Its sold in grocery stores where you weigh the chocolate in the bags. Someone told my wife that freezing them would taste better. She was right. might want to try doing it with the pretzel m n ms.
Erin, looks like a skit from Benny Hill.
SoS- a chocolate covered pretzel with peanut butter sounds awesome. It is now my mission to try to find one.
Thanks for the tip about the M&Ms
Any reason in particular the Yankees would need to call up Steve Garrison?
Steve Garrison promoted to NYY apparently… for some reason…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
RiverAveBlues Per @jnorris427 and @mashmore98, Steve Garrison called up to the New York Yankees. He is a leftballer, but odd move.
Because he’s better than Flores and could give them a few innings…good or bad.
To replace who?
Is Meat tray being dfa?
if there is one thing you can say for Steve Garrison, he certainly is on the 40 man roster.
Meat tray was traded for a meat tray?
Hopefully Mitre is DFA’d with the callup of Garrison.
garrison for who? that is the question.
is there a hurler that will be sent down to make room for Garrison?
could be Mitre
could be Noesi
The Yankees don’t hesitate to bring up prospects if they believe they will help the club win. See Joba, e.g. If they believe Montero would improve their chances of winning he would be promoted. He has not been. Therefore, the Yankees,despite the superior pretend knowledge of some posters, don’t think he is ready to help.
Erin,
They are oval shaped. Size of a half dollar. We have a Winco grocery store on Socal. Not sure if you have it in Chitown.
Warning Track Power July 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
garrison for who? that is the question.
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The suspense is terrible. I hope it lasts. -Willy Wonka
Noesi is their 3rd best reliever…..don’t see how they could.send him.down
austin-
i have been saying just about the same thing regarding Montero for a long time.
there are certain individuals here who treat the Yankees roster like a video game.
SoS July 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Erin,
They are oval shaped. Size of a half dollar. We have a Winco grocery store on Socal. Not sure if you have it in Chitown.
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Doesn’t sound familiar. I’m definitely going to be searching for one though.
blake-Noesi has options. so no matter how well he pitches this summer, he can always be sent down to make room for another pitcher.
i’m not saying i want him off the team, but there are only so many pitchers in the pen that
can be moved.
Mell July 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Red Sox have scored almost 40 more runs than us. Batting 18 points higher than us, 5 more doubles, higher OBP and SLG. We have 9 more HRs than them but they are ahead of us in every other category, some by a considerable margin. A bat is a need.
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There some sort of trophy for leading the league in runs and OPS???
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No, but there is a trophy for winning the world series, and in the last ten years, the Red Sux have won two to our one. So whatever we need to do to win; I think that would be a good idea.
blake July 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Meat tray was traded for a meat tray?
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That could get ugly with Sabathia and Colon fighting to get into the clubhouse first to attack the spread.
Hey Joe —-
Tickets not a problem. Plenty for sale at reasonable mark up outside Rogers Center. Paid through the nose for front row seats (Sunday) but what the hell.
I’m staying at a Residence Inn In the entertainment district, bit if I had it to do over again I’d choose the Raddison on the lake… almost as close to Rogers Center but I like being on the water when it’s possible/feasible.
Decent ballpark, but I hate the game played on a rug. the sold out Saturday but at least 20,000 empties on Sunday.
Fans are very pleasant as are all the Canadians I’ve met. Would definitely like to return, but next time earlier in the summer to enjoy cooler weather.
So what? Boston’s also won 2 in 92 years. NYYs have won one in 2 years.
New Post: Garrison reportedly called up
Garrison is up as insurance for an early Colon departure. Noesi pitched yesterday, so he is out as long man. I think he replaces Mitre.
What purpose could it possibly serve to promote a guy who has a 6.36 ERA in AA ball? Is he Colon’s long man for one game and then back out?
GreenBeret7 July 19th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
So what? Boston’s also won 2 in 92 years. NYYs have won one in 2 years.
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A decade is an accepted means of measuring recent success.
It’s funny how we adopt words and adapt our lexicon to the times. This is a very useful slant on things.
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