Day off for Granderson?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 21, 2011 
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Curtis Granderson has missed one game this season. It might be time for him to miss another.
“He’s a little beat up,” Joe Girardi said. “He hit a ball off his foot yesterday, had the calf today, so I’ll check with him (tonight).”
Granderson has become so productive that he might be the most difficult person to take out of the Yankees lineup, but in the past two days he has:
• Been hit by a pitch in the left foot, leading him to ice and wrap his foot that night.
• Fouled a ball off his right calf, hitting a spot very close to where he was hit at home against the Twins.
• Crashed into the wall in center field, resulting in only a small scratch from where he landed on the ground.
• Been hit by a pitch in the upper back, leading to soreness that tightened up before the end of the game.
“I don’t know, we’ll see,” Granderson said. “For the most part I think I’ll be alright. We’ll see how things go waking up in the morning, but it should be fine. Should be ready to go.”
Associated Press photo
Yeah I think a day off for Grandy is in the offing for today. Probably play Dickerson in LF and Gardner in CF.
The day I start campaigning for Betemit and Melky to come back to the Yankees Betemit goes to Detroit and it looks like Melky could be headed to the Phillies as a cheaper alternative to Beltran.
I didn’t realize how much Brandon Inge was stinking up the joint this year in Detroit.
Adam Dunn says his season has been so bad he’s considering walking away from the game. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him dealt this winter back to the NL
wouldnt be shocked to see Grandy sitting tonight and Gardner/Jeter 1-2 at the top.
Tough cookie.
1 game rest might be in order.
GB-
I posted this earlier about facing Shields and his changeup, or any righthander with a good changeup.
It seems to me that Tex, Swisher, and Posada strike out a lot on the inside changeup, often whiffing at air. Would it make any sense to bat righty against Shields tonight? Stupid thought??
It was comforting to see Colon and Garcia back on track, as well as Logan. The long layoff could very well have accounted for their mediocre performances last week. Still think the Yankees need a bat-?Montero to catch 3x week resting Martin before they have to pick up the pieces, and DH’ing the other days.
I have a feeling he sits tonight.
From MLBTR’s-
3 team trade brewing??
The Blue Jays have inquired on the Padres’ available relievers, including Heath Bell, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. It’s not clear whether the Blue Jays want to obtain a closer or are interested in flipping one of San Diego’s relievers to another team.
If they were to acquire Bell, they could offer arbitration and collect a pair of draft picks next season, presuming the free agent to be declines the offer and signs elsewhere. Mike Adams is under team control through 2012, but Padres owner Jeff Moorad told him he’s staying put.
Don’t count on the Blue Jays trading their own relievers, Rosenthal writes. Toronto has 2012 options for Jon Rauch, Jason Frasor and Octavio Dotel, who all project as Type B free agents, according to MLBTR’s reverse-engineered Elias Rankings.
Also Granderson’s numbers against Shields aren’t his prettiest, so it might be a perfect day to give him a rest.
GB7
Who was the last AL pitcher to get a hit before the DH?
GB-
Definitely think Jamey Carroll to replace the injured Stephen Drew would be a good move. I’d like Carroll on the Yankees right now with A-Rod out.
MY FANTASY TEAM DOES NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS DAY OFF NONSENSE.
Maine Yankee-
If GB gets that one in the next few seconds I’ll be really impressed.
YT-
He’d be good on Jeopardy. Let’s make some money off him.
I would like to see Grandy get a night off. He has earned it. Gardner is fine in center.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-soon-end/
huge game tonight…
a win brings us 1 game with in red sox,
a loss brings us 2 out
Yankee Trader —
Any switch hitter who struggles mightily against a particular pitcher ought to consider turning around. That’s a very good thought.
Would be fine with Grandy taking a day, or being the DH which is like 75% of a day off. Isn’t like Posada is tearing it up anyway.
Yankee Trader July 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Maine Yankee-
If GB gets that one in the next few seconds I’ll be really impressed
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I want to see if he truly knows his history or if he’s just a phony.
Chip, good link
IMO, jeter cant go from lead off to 2nd, unless u drop tex to 6th granderson at 3rd and arod 4th cano 5th,
jeter should go to 6th or lower, not hatin, just statin
Who is the last switch-hitter to win AL MVP?
86w183-
Who plays left field tonight with Gardner in CF and Shields on the mound with his a-one changeup?
Will it be lefty Dickerson, only to be mowed down by that inside CU? Andruw Jones? Laird perhaps?
Yankee Trader July 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Maine Yankee-
If GB gets that one in the next few seconds I’ll be really impressed
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I want to see if he truly knows his history or if he’s just a phony.
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I was around then and to tell you the truth, after I had to google it, I don’t even remember this pitcher.
TRader, I could see the switch hitters batting right handed if Shields didn’t have the other pitches, He’s got too many to do that. If he were a knuckleballer, you bet.
86w183 July 21st, 2011 at 9:27 am
Who is the last switch-hitter to win AL MVP?
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Eddie Murray???????
I’d love to see Dickerson get a start. Maybe Shields fits his swing, who knows? If Dickerson hasn’t played any/much LF you could move Swish over there or give him a day as well and go with Jones, Gardner and Dickerson
Maine, I know who it is, but, because I fear I’ll be labeled as a know-it-all. Therefore, I refuse to answer.
Anyone seen Upstate Kate ?
Haven’t seen her around in a while.
She’s usually about in the mornings.
Congrats to Godzilla
http://www.mercurynews.com/bre.....i_18518092
Eddie Murray never won an MVP
TRader, I could see the switch hitters batting right handed if Shields didn’t have the other pitches, He’s got too many to do that.
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He has a cutter and a curveball, pitches that favor going against opposing handed batters, so I think the strategy would work. Like the Rays doing it to Dallas Braden and John Danks. Danks has like the same arsenal.
GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2011 at 9:33 am
Maine, I know who it is, but, because I fear I?ll be labeled as a know-it-all. Therefore, I refuse to answer.
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Doc Iac July 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
Chip, good link
IMO, jeter cant go from lead off to 2nd, unless u drop tex to 6th granderson at 3rd and arod 4th cano 5th,
jeter should go to 6th or lower, not hatin, just statin
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with Alex out until September you could move Gardner up and just slide everybody back one spot.
Gardner
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Cano
Swisher
Posada
Martin
Nunez
GB takes the 5th.
Doesn’t want to incriminate himself.
Yea probably give Grandy a day today ……I really hate to though as Id love to go.for the jugular against the Rays and bury them.
I think the Royals would want more than Melky is worth
Why was Brandon Laird called up ? He hasn’t been used. Start him at 3rd base tonight. No better time to do it with C.C. on the hill.
Please ! …… no Andrew Jones. Shields will completely baffle him. Use Chris Dickerson instead.
The Rays should trade Shields for Rasmus.
I miss Matsui especially while they’re playing in Tampa. He was usually good for a couple of HRs to right.
Yankee Trader
He’s from about 20 miles from me and I hadn’t heard of him either.
He’s a singer and musician and performing near me next week.
I saw it in the local paper and it mentioned his playing for the Yankees.
That’s why I looked him up.
Jerkface July 21st, 2011 at 9:34 am
TRader, I could see the switch hitters batting right handed if Shields didn’t have the other pitches, He’s got too many to do that.
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He has a cutter and a curveball, pitches that favor going against opposing handed batters, so I think the strategy would work. Like the Rays doing it to Dallas Braden and John Danks. Danks has like the same arsenal.
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doubtful that you’ll see the switch hitters bat RH against Big Game James.
A few might do it against a knuckler, or against Mo, but it’s not a regular thing and it isn’t something many of them do.
blake July 21st, 2011 at 9:37 am
The Rays should trade Shields for Rasmus.
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After watching Jason Motte blow the save against the Mets last night I’m beating the drum for this deal:
Rasmus to the Marlins
Leo Nunez and Ricky Nolasco to the Cards
Maine-
Sorry but i Googled it and GB knows the answer. Did you know this or hear it as an answer on that sports trivia TV show-”Stump the Schlub.”
On October 4, 1972, Yankee pitcher Larry Gowell hit a double to become the last pitcher to hit safely in a regular American League game before the implementation of the designated-hitter rule. On April 6, 1973, Yankee Ron Blomberg became the American League’s first-ever designated hitter.
Perhaps Granderson will get a DH day today instead of a full day off. He can take a break from playing the field and having issues seeing fly balls.
Todays lineup should be: (assuming Grandy plays). This should be the everyday lineup until Arod comes back.
Gardner
Jeter
Grandy
Tex
Cano
Swisher
Posada – DH
Martin
Nunez
Once Arod comes back then some decisions need to be made about Jeters spot in the lineup. If he and Gardner are hitting then its a tougher decision. Dropping Gardner to 9 when Arod comes back is fine if jeters hitting.
GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2011 at 9:33 am
Maine, I know who it is, but, because I fear I’ll be labeled as a know-it-all. Therefore, I refuse to answer.
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I thought you had already been labeled that.
And worse.
The Diamondbacks are making arrangements to promote 35-year-old Cody Ransom from Triple-A Reno. The journeyman infielder has registered a fantastic 1.060 OPS, 25 home runs and 86 RBI in 91 games this season for the Aces while playing second base, third base and shortstop
Courtesy of NBC Sports
doubtful that you’ll see the switch hitters bat RH against Big Game James.
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Yea I don’t think the Yankees are as innovative as the Rays are when it comes to approaching the opposition. Just saying that what pitches he throws wouldn’t be a problem if they did try it.
Chip July 21st, 2011 at 9:42 am
The Diamondbacks are making arrangements to promote 35-year-old Cody Ransom from Triple-A Reno.
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Yankee Trader
Don’t let GB7 fool you.
When I deal with him I wear my barn boots.
It tends to get deep.
Thanks all for your feedback. Catch you all later. Maine-I saw your connection to Larry Gowell. Maybe the Yankees will make a deal today.
Chip-
Next we’ll be hearing about Angel Berroa tearing it up.
Too funny.
YT-
Have a good day.
Rasmus fantasy time again
You don’t get Nolasco OR Nunez for Rasmus
The last switch hitter to win the AL MVP???
Vida Blue
MaineYankee July 21st, 2011 at 9:45 am
Yankee Trader
Don’t let GB7 fool you.
When I deal with him I wear my barn boots.
It tends to get deep.
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You’re both cut from the same cloth!!:)
Goodbye, again.
Yankee Trader
I’m offended.
Imagine a conversation between Vida Blue and Vada Pinson.
What’s up Vada ? How ‘s it hangin’ ?
What’s up Vida ? How’s it goin’ dog ?
How’s the family Vada ?
Fine Vida, yours ?
And so on.
MTU July 21st, 2011 at 9:36 am
GB takes the 5th.
Doesn’t want to incriminate himself.
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Any more questions like that and any more snarky remarks towards me and I might just drink my 5th.
No Cody Ransom is a better SS than Stephen Drew stories? What’s wrong with the AZ media!
Jerkface July 21st, 2011 at 9:44 am
doubtful that you’ll see the switch hitters bat RH against Big Game James.
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Yea I don’t think the Yankees are as innovative as the Rays are when it comes to approaching the opposition. Just saying that what pitches he throws wouldn’t be a problem if they did try it.
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I don’t think it’s a case of innovation or lack there of – I think it’s up to the comfort level of the individual players and Swisher, Tex and Posada generally play it straight up against Wakefield so I don’t see why they would switch it up for Sheilds.
GB-
I’ll behave only if I can share some.
MTU July 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
Chip-
Next we’ll be hearing about Angel Berroa tearing it up.
Too funny.
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I think Pete Abe is lobbying the RS to get him.
He’s running out of material.
MTU July 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
Chip-
Next we’ll be hearing about Angel Berroa tearing it up.
Too funny.
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Gotta admit – those are some pretty impressive numbers. Speaking of impressive numbers that don’t translate into the majors – Where’s Andy Phillips these days?
MY-
Pete who ?
pat July 21st, 2011 at 10:00 am
No Cody Ransom is a better SS than Stephen Drew stories? What’s wrong with the AZ media!
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What do you want to bet someone uses that line only to substitute a different name for Drew?
YankeesPR Happy Birthday to tonight’s starting pitcher, CC Sabathia! CC turns 31 years old today.
If I were CC, I’d refuse to work on my birthday. But that’s just me.
“Where’s Andy Phillips these days?”
Hitting Coach for the Crimson Tide
For $ 23 M a year I’d work while my wife was in labor and a family funeral was taking place!
Chip-
Love that name- “Cody”. The player not so much.
No clue what happened to Phillips. That’s another one for Mr. Know-it-all.
(GB- remeber my ears are already on their way to China).
86-Good point.
If the Phillies get Melky, that will leave the Red Sox as the likely frontrunner for Beltran. Is there a bat that Cashman is willing to get? They need a LHH who can actually hit a change up.shields will throw it 40 -50 times tonight.
I don’t think the Red Sox are the frontrunner for Beltran
I’d hate to see Melky go to the Phillies.
That’s almost as bad as Aceves goin’ to the Sux.
Eric Chavez had four hits — all singles — in his second rehab game last night
Also a name to watch, Jose’ Quintana. He’s been moved from the bullpen to the rotation for Tampa and is now 7-0, 1.50. He’s a 22 year old lefty with 62 K in 60 Innnings.
Buster_ESPN 3 hours In conversations with sources at Citi Field Wed., it’s very clear that the Mets are intent on insisting on a high-end prospect for Beltran.
They are probably going to be disappointed. Teams are giving one of their top prospects for 3 months of a player that they can’t offer arbitration to……maybe Im wrong but I just don’t see it.
Aren’t giving
I don’t think it’s a case of innovation or lack there of – I think it’s up to the comfort level of the individual players and Swisher, Tex and Posada generally play it straight up against Wakefield so I don’t see why they would switch it up for Sheilds.
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When has innovation and comfort level ever been in sync? If switch hitters were comfortable not switching based on strategy it wouldn’t be innovation. Innovators are always trying new things. The Yankees do rock the boat baseball strategy wise. They have no need to, and probably no real desire to do it because of the media scrutiny.
Memoribilia run amok……
“…a baseball sliced foul by Jeter just two pitches before his 3,000th hit goes on the auction block this week.
“It’s from the same at-bat, and an actual game ball,” said MEARS Online Auctions president Troy Kinunen. “It was very close to being the ball.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z1SkUUVv9J
# blake July 21st, 2011 at 10:21 am
Buster_ESPN 3 hours In conversations with sources at Citi Field Wed., it’s very clear that the Mets are intent on insisting on a high-end prospect for Beltran.
They are probably going to be disappointed. Teams are giving one of their top prospects for 3 months of a player that they can’t offer arbitration to……maybe Im wrong but I just don’t see it.
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Typical Mets always expecting more than they deserve.
jimbaumbach Clemens has until next Friday to file papers asking judge to not retry case. Gov’t has until 8/19 to respond; Hearing set for 1:30 p.m. 9/2.
Blake-
All is takes is that one dumb GM.
Or a team desperate to win.
edit: It. sorry
I should start auctioning off Schrodinger’s Baseball. It will be a baseball in a sealed wooden box, and as long as you don’t observe it the ball will oscillate between the state of being Jeter’s 3000th hit and Not 3000th hit. Its only upon observing will you realize I’ve made off with 50 of your human dollars.
JF-
I think you auction off “heisenberg’s” ball too.
That way no one will know what they’re getting for their money.
The perfect scam.
MTU,
True……and they are right to hold out and see if somebody will pay it……but ultimately I think the price will drop.
Heyman believes the Phils and Sox are the front runners, and now I read the Philsnare moving in on Melky. Doesn’t that leave them as front runners? I would like to see the Yankees at least in the game.
pat-wow. LOL
It all depends on who the Mets consider a “high end” prospect and if the team that has him is willing to part with that player.
The label “high end prospect” is subjective and, thus meaningless in a broad discussion.
I don’t consider Adam Warren to be high end, but the Mets might. Some of oyu might as well, but I’d do Warren for Beltran in a heartbeat.
Blake-
You might be right. Let’s snag him on the cheap.
Too bad he isn’t a salary dump. That would be easier.
If you believe Heyman I guess…….but other teams have better prospects and more need than the Red Sox
Blake-
Do the Sux really need more offense, or do they need Pitching more ?
Never thought the Yanks should have let Melky go. He would be an ideal 4th OF, bench guy for this team.
Im considering a Top prospect to be one of the top couple in a teams system……a top 50 overall guy. If that’s what the Mets are wanting then I doubt they get it. I do think the Yanks could make a strong offer with some of the starting pitching redundancy they have…….
The Sox need a right handed platoon partner for Drew and a starting pitcher…..maybe bullpen help.
With the Farm the Mutts have a Batboy might excite them.
The whole Red Sox have few prospects is overrated. They have had a lot of draft picks that surely have value. Why are the Sox seemingly more active? News coverage or reality?
Austin-
Multi-tasking again ?
# MTU July 21st, 2011 at 10:35 am
With the Farm the Mutts have a Batboy might excite them.
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Oh MTU you didn’t hear everyone was wrong about the Met system. It’s better than ppl think lol
AAO-
Guess I didn’t get the memo.
Gotta run. Time to walk the Mops.
Look at the Red Sox top 100 prospects, they aren’t really great
Jose Iglesias, apparent preternaturally good defender has zero offense which will likely stymie him from becoming a starter unless he figures something out
Anthony Ranaudo, in A ball struggling
Drake Britton, in A ball REALLY struggling (7 ERA 5+ bb/9)
They have guys with potential but not many living up to it or with the mixture of potential+performance that creates a top trade target.
You’re not the only one that didn’t get it.
Like if the red sox hype is to be believed then Brackman should be a legit trade candidate for the Yankees. Very casey kelly-esque. Much of the Red Sox hype is predicated entirely on subjective hypothesis. “Oh well if Casey Kelly ever gains 3 mph on his fastball he’ll be really good.” “Oh if Jose Iglesias decides to stop hitting like Jose Iglesias he’ll be really good.”
“Oh well if Casey Kelly ever gains 3 mph on his fastball he’ll be really good.” “Oh if Jose Iglesias decides to stop hitting like Jose Iglesias he’ll be really good.”
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It’s funny because it’s true. Gammons is always at the fore front when it comes to doing that.
JF,
Almost all of the Red Sox recent analysis on prospects has been on projection…..Im.sure other teams have noticed that none of them are actually performing all that well.
I would be shocked if Granderson was in the starting line-up today.
Give the guy a day off from the turf and all the aches & pains he is dealing with.
Here’s my line-up today:
Gardner-CF
Jeter-SS
Tex-1B
Cano-2B
Swisher-RF
Posada-DH
Nunez-3B
Dickerson-RF
Cervelli-C
Jeter should move to 2nd in lineup
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6788345
MTU, the last thing that I read on Andy Phillips was that he was an assistant coach at the U Of Alabama. If I remember correctly, his mother was in a serious accident and sat out most of one season.
Law is the worst for it……he projects greatness for every Sox prospect. You’d think a mr stats guy would put more stock in actual performance.
All this bellyaching about Melky? Really? He almost played himself out of the league last year.
He’s having a very good season, but if he stayed a Yankee and put up the numbers he did last year in Atlanta you’d all be calling him DFA Melky or something.
There’s a reason why the Yankees didn’t buy low on him this off season even after Arod urged them to. If you can’t read between the lines, you’re not looking hard enough.
And the minute some team gives him real guaranteed dollars in a contract I wouldn’t expect to see anything close to the numbers he’s putting up this season in the hopes of saving his career and getting real money again.
The people that want to move Jeter to second in the batting order still miss the point. Jeter still follows Gardner. He supposedly hits opposite field except when he rolls over on the outside pitch. So Gardner has to stay on first to leave the hole open. Jeter also, often swings at the first pitch. Granderson on the other hand often sees over five pitches per at bat. So where’s the logic of Gardner lead off and Jeter second? The other night Gardner and Granderson had over thirty pitches in five at bats. Iconic Jeter can’t bat lower than second – endit.
pat July 21st, 2011 at 10:22 am
Memoribilia run amok……
“…a baseball sliced foul by Jeter just two pitches before his 3,000th hit goes on the auction block this week.
“It’s from the same at-bat, and an actual game ball,” said MEARS Online Auctions president Troy Kinunen. “It was very close to being the ball.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..z1SkUUVv9J
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I was born and raised in Michigan, about 75 miles from where Jeter grew up. Quite a coincidense. I think about how close I came to being Derek Jeter. just 24 years and 900 miles of seperation.
Who’s bellyaching. I said in the off-season they should keep him as a 4th OF. He has talent and versatility and A-Rod’s endorsement should have counted for something.
If they are convinced Melky is a negative influence on Cano that’s another thing, but hell a kid can grow up and mature along the way.
Bo knows,
People suggesting Jeter hit 2nd aren’t thinking about what would be best for the offense and winning. They are thinking about what would be best for his ego and limit drama.
You’re correct. It’s a cosmetic move that doesn’t help the offense at all.
G Love-
Girardi dropped a huge hint yesterday regarding upcoming line-up changes.
Without naming names, he’s speaking about Jeter.
Who else could he be referring to?
Possible Tex could be moved down, but who can argue that. Tex needs to find his stroke and fast.
Its time for Jeter to move out of the lead-off spot vs righties and assume the #2 spot.
Gardner has earned the right to bat lead-off and help the team win even more games.
Bo knows —
When your # 1 on OBP guy is also your # 1 base stealer he should lead off, period. Presuming he can’t run with Jeter at the plate is preposterous
G. Love,
That’s one way to speculate on the inner workings of Melky Cabrera. It’s also possible that he was too immature as a Yankee and too comfortable with his standing on the team. Perhaps the team taught him a lesson by shipping him out. Perhaps he really loved being a Yankee and playing baseball with his best friend. The season before he was traded he collected about 7 or 8 huge game winning hits, so you’d have to consider that he has at least some desire to win. He was raised in the organization since age 17 and grew up a Yankee. You can speculate that he was devastated when he was dumped and that played into his lack of dedication to baseball as a Brave. Maybe he’s come to terms with being an ex-Yankee and rediscovered his will to win as a Royal. Perhaps the return of his competitive edge is here to stay.
If the Yankees reacquired him, it’s possible that he wouldn’t take it for granted and slack and party like he did because he knows the team will drop him in a NYC if he doesn’t stay committed. His near decade long history with the organization means nothing to them and he knows that by now because he learned it the hard way.
Actually getting Gardner to the top of the lineup and Granderson in the middle of the lineup would help the lineup no matter where Jeter hits. I think they will eventually drop Jeter vs RHP when Alex comes back if he doesn’t turn it on……but right now it really isn’t that big of a deal.
They should go
Gardner
Jeter
Cano
Granderson
Teixera
Against RHP until Alex gets back and then make a decision from there……if Jeter still isn’t hitting righties then you move him down there and lead him off vs LHP.
If I remember correctly, his mother was in a serious accident and sat out most of one season.
Gee, GB, I’m sorry to hear about his Mom. Do they expect her back in the lineup and playing real soon? J/K!
86,
The Yankees could have bought seriously low on Melky this off season. They chose not to go there at all. There’s a reason why the front office chose to do this. Considering the Yankees have no upper level OF talent them choosing not resign Melky spoke volumes.
As for him growing up and maturing, he came off an abysmal season in Atlanta where he looked like his career was over. The Yankees had no other indication other than Arod’s endorsement (which could have been sentimental in their eyes) to think he had turned a corner and was worth more than a million dollars.
And even after this season I still wouldn’t give him any kind of serious money to play baseball here.
you guys crack me up the way you shat on other systems.
The Red Sox have a rookie, performing well, right now playing for them in the OF. They have a few kids ripping the cover off the ball right now lower, a rookie pitcher who has torn up lower levels and a lot of good draft picks the past two years that are moving steady.
I realize we look better, but that’s because all of our players, worth mentioning, are closer to helping the Yankees now.
A few years ago it was Boston, with Ellsbury, Bard, ect.
It’s all cyclical.
Boston’s farm of the past five or six years is on their team right now.
Bard, Papelbon, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Reddick, Lester and Buchholz.
In a few years, their lower level will look like our system now, while The B’s and Montero are in the Bronx.
Again, cyclical. Just because you wanna look at a 21 year old kid in their system and call him a bust doesn’t make it so.
I would rather have Melky than Andrew Jones…..but would it cost more in prospects than the upgrade is worth……..probably. The Yankees couldn’t have known he would get in shape and get serious about the game anymore than they coukd have with Berkman……he was awful in Atlanta and that wad the player they traded……not the current model.
Thanks for that info. GB
Too bad about his Mom.
If it weren’t for bad luck he would have no luck at all.
Warning Track Power,
I’d be stunned if Girardi had the stones to move Tex out of the 3rd spot. If he did, it would finally show he’s watching the games with his eyes open.
I don’t think he’ll put Jeter anywhere lower than 2 in the lineup. The good thing about that is if Gardner can get on before Jeter, you can have Gardy steal 2nd and make Jeter bunt him over to the 3b and set up the inning.
The other good thing Gardy does when he’s on base is distract the pitcher which could get Jeter a better pitch to hit since the pitcher is worried about the guy on base.
They have to try it. They won a great game last night, but the offense is struggling.
If the Red Sox want Beltran, they’ll move Reddick or Kalish, or the kid from LSU, who while stuggling, was the second best pitcher in college baseball a year ago. They can get Beltran if they want him…it’s just a matter if they want him enough to pay the price.
“Boston’s farm of the past five or six years is on their team right now.”
That doesn’t change much about what they currently have in their upper levels…..which is what this disussion was about as it related to trades.
Yanks didn’t have an every day job for Berkman. He wasn’t interested in DH or platoon work and would never have re-signed.
I’m not suggesting a Carl Crawford contract for Melky. I’m pointing out that a guy with his talent and versatility is a perfect # 4 OF and they should have trusted A-Rod’s judgment rather than spend money on Andruw Jones.
At this stage I would not part with any prospect that I thought could make the club eventually to get him back.
The people that want to move Jeter to second in the batting order still miss the point. Jeter still follows Gardner. He supposedly hits opposite field except when he rolls over on the outside pitch. So Gardner has to stay on first to leave the hole open. Jeter also, often swings at the first pitch. Granderson on the other hand often sees over five pitches per at bat. So where’s the logic of Gardner lead off and Jeter second? The other night Gardner and Granderson had over thirty pitches in five at bats. Iconic Jeter can’t bat lower than second –endit
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Yes.
Melky is playing way about 4th OF level right now.
He’d start in RF and Swisher would DH.
So essentially any Melky acquisition squeezes out Posada.
Posada can’t get mad at Melky for that.
edit: way ABOVE
Gardner is stealing bases at will now…..he’s finally figuring out how to read pitchers a little bit. Gardner gets on, steals 2nd…..Jeter gets him to 3rd , and Cano knocks him in hitting 3rd…….that’s where a high BA guy hitting 3rd is beneficial because its more conducive to manufacturing runs against good pitching.
I agree, Blake, but to crap on their system entirely is just a fallacy. They have guys that are underperforming and overperforming just as the Yankees do. Actually, any kind of actual projection, that you’re going to base an argument on, about anyones system is just a waste of time.
I’ll take our Farm over most teams.
I think it’s rated in the top half dozen by independent people.
Loaded with Pitching and catching talent which is the coin of the realm.
Good time to be a Yankee fan.
You can’t bat Jeter second; he bounces into too many double plays. I’d bat him 6th or 7th.
Granderson deserves a day, if CC is on, this would be good time to rest.
On the whole Girardi seems to be doing a pretty good job–I hope he is smart
enough to keep Robertson right where he belongs, the 8th. Right now he is the best
reliever in the game and needs a show of confidence by the manager. Soriano, even before
the injury was pitching nearly as well as Roberston is.
Gardner gets on, steals 2nd…..Jeter gets him to 3rd , and Cano knocks him in hitting 3rd
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Jeter only good for sac bunting now? What happens when Gardner cuts out the middle man and steals third?
Larry Keith’s greatest team he ever covered: the 1978 Yankees.
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Yanks didn’t have an every day job for Berkman”
You don’t think if Cashman had a crystal ball and knew what he was going to be this year that he wouldn’t have found a spot for him? He’s been one of the best hitters in baseball this year.
GB7
Phillips mom was in a car accident in 07.
It cost him time in ST with the Yankees which cost him a better chance to earn a spot.
Jeter should be able to handle hitting lower in the order. They batted Bernie 9th. They penciled in Posada 9th. I’d bat him 7th above Posada and Martin. What an awful bottom of the order.
“Jeter only good for sac bunting now? What happens when Gardner cuts out the middle man and steals third?”
No……..bunt or grounder to 2b or base hit.
Oh boy, just what this team needs – another Melky, Gardner debate. Need another peanut eating video.
“Actually, any kind of actual projection, that you’re going to base an argument on, about anyones system is just a waste of time”
That was the point we were making
Bo knows July 21st, 2011 at 11:23 am
Oh boy, just what this team needs ? another Melky, Gardner debate. Need another peanut eating video.
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I wish a reporter would have the stones to ask Jeter if he would accept batting lower in the order. The fact that no one has asked him tells me that they already know the answer.
I agree, Blake, but to crap on their system entirely is just a fallacy. They have guys that are underperforming and overperforming just as the Yankees do. Actually, any kind of actual projection, that you’re going to base an argument on, about anyones system is just a waste of time.
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They have prospects, every team does, the conversation is about specifically trying to beat other teams in trades. There is no way the Yankees would get away with the kind of performance that Ranaudo or Casey Kelly had and still get talked up so much as they do. In a hypothetical battle for the top trade targets, the Red Sox’s best prospects (top 10) guys are underperforming HUGELY or have never performed!
Drake Britton is a top 100 prospect… for some reason!
1. Casey Kelly, rhp
2. Jose Iglesias, ss
3. Anthony Rizzo, 1b
4. Anthony Ranaudo, rhp
5. Drake Britton, lhp
Look at this top 5, and look at Ranaudo, Britton, and Iglesias and how they are playing.
6. Reymond Fuentes, of
7. Josh Reddick, of
8. Felix Doubront, lhp
9. Stolmy Pimentel, rhp
10. Garin Cecchini, 3b
Reddick is doing well in the majors. SAMPLE SIZE though, and dude was hitting .230 .333 .508 .841 in the minors (Call up Jesus Montero)
Doubront has a 6 ERA and isn’t naything special.
Stolmy Pimentel has a 9 ERA
Garin Cecchini was drafted in 2010 and is only in short season.
Hitting Jeter second really does nothing different, I agree. For the lineup to have a truly different look and feel, he’d have to be moved lower. But there’s no guarantee it would be that much better productivity wise than what the Yankees have now.
It would be worth a try, but there is something to the philosophy that Girardi has to keep his lineup as stable as possible. Right now, they are at least holding their own, and in good position in the AL East. It makes grand changes less attractive. And moving Jeter way down is a grand change for the NYY.
The change that helps the team is Gardner for Jeter at the top of the lineup. Top of the lineup meaning 1st OR 2nd.
Gardner first, Jeter 2nd is just moving pieces around and might actually be worse than the lineup construction they have now.
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Detroit DFA’d Brandon Inge, who I always wished could be a Yankee in a utility role. He’s perfect for the role, has a good glove, decent speed, can catch, play third and the outfield well. His hitting has regressed because of the Homerun disease, but is young enough that a good batting coach (like
K-Long) could straighten him out.
Yankees Curtis Granderson’s 10 homers off southpaws are the most in @MLB. #YankeesFacts
MTU,
Heading out. But, what are the Yankees going to do with Montero, Romine, Murphy and Sanchez? It will crowd out the umpire.:)
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I think Melky was in line for about 3ml in arbitration and the Yankees weren’t convinced he was worth it.
At least that’s what I remember being floated at the time.
LGY,
How is it worse when you’re getting Gardner more ABs and putting Granderson in a better spot to drive in runs……Gardner having one more AB per game and one more chance to get on and get into scoring position is a positive no?
Cashman and Epstein must be reading from the same script.
I quote from MLBTR :
“Boston’s most important reinforcements may not arrive in trades. Epstein said the Red Sox aren’t going to do better than injured starter Clay Buchholz on the trade market.
“If you ask me what player do I want out there on this club in all of baseball, if I could name one guy to acquire for this team, it would be just a healthy Clay Buchholz and I think we’re going to have that,” Epstein said.
Anybody buy that neither Cash nor Epstein are gonna make a move ?
How is it worse when you’re getting Gardner more ABs and putting Granderson in a better spot to drive in runs……Gardner having one more AB per game and one more chance to get on and get into scoring position is a positive no?
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It maintains the negative Gardner-Jeter synergy while also giving Granderson less PAs, who should probably be gettting the most PAs on the team
Gardner, Jeter, Cano, Granderson, Tex is the way to go until Alex gets back or they aquire Beltran
MaineYankee-I remember reading something like that too. And I think there were also rumblings that they wanted to separate him and Cano.
Anyway, the only time it really makes a difference anyway is to start the game, no?
“It maintains the negative Gardner-Jeter synergy while also giving Granderson less PAs, who should probably be gettting the most PAs on the team”
How many less will he get by moving from 2nd to 4th……a couple a month?
Erik Bedard trade value damaged:
When the Mariners placed left-hander Erik Bedard on the 15-day disabled list near the end of June with a knee injury, they were optimistic that he would be able to return immediately following the All-Star break — in time to make two or three showcase starts before being shopped at the trade deadline.
As with most of Bedard’s injuries, it hasn’t gone nearly according to plan.
Gerry Spratt of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports that the 32-year-old southpaw won’t return early next week against the Yankees, as previously hoped, and might only be able to make one appearance before the July 31 non-wavier deadline.
Bedard has been excellent this season, sporting a 3.00 ERA, 1.11 WHIP and 85/26 K/BB ratio through 90 innings of work, and his current injury (a sprained knee) has nothing to do with his old chronic shoulder issues. But the perception that he’s prone to major physical ailments has not been swept under the rug and it’s likely that his delayed return from the disabled list will hurt his trade value later this month.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......e-damaged/
Bedard fits the “scrap heap” profile prerequisite for all of Cashman’s deadline targets.
Girardi won’t bat Grandy 4th.
The most “radical” change Girardi would ever make is Gardner-Jeter-Granderson-Tex-Cano.
Austin-
I wish I could join you.
Murphy and Sanchez are pretty far from the majors.
I think Montero is being dangled just to see what he might bring back.
My theory right now is that the Yankees might see Romine as their primary Catcher of the future moreso than Jesus.
JMO. Probably completely wrong.
Have fun.
“The most “radical” change Girardi would ever make is Gardner-Jeter-Granderson-Tex-Cano.”
That wouldn’t be that bad either……
Jerkface
I believe Pimentel was sent down from AA Portland after not winning a game for them.
LGY —
Can you explain your thought process?
How is moving a team’s # 1 OBP hitter and # 1 base stealer to the top of the order meaningless and potentially damaging? That defies logic.
Whether or not Jeter is the best guy to hit # 2 is a completely different discussion.
The question is who is the best man to lead off for the Yankees right now?
The answer is obviously Brett Gardner.
Blake — No one had that crystal ball regarding St Louis which would have offered far more money and multiple years if they thought he would be this good. The guy is having an amazing bounce back season. Good for him. If Cashman had dumped Gardney, Granderson or Swisher to make room for Berkman he would have been gelded.
Iglegias is so great with the glove that he wont have to hit because he wont allow the other team to ever score a run……the Sox will be able to put Youk and Pedroia in the outfield and just have 5 outfielders.
That wouldn’t be that bad either……
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Jeter stays in one of the most important spots in the lineup, Granderson goes to 3 where 2 is a better spot in the lineup for him, Tex to the most important spot in the lineup, Cano dropped to 5 where he gets less PAs. Gross.
Hate it!
86,
My point was that if Cashman had known that Berkman was going to jump in a time warp and get 10 years younger then he would probably be the Yankees DH right now……no way to know that though
LGY,
Gardner hits leadoff instead of 9th! That should make you happy……you’re too caught up in where Jeter hits
MTU July 21st, 2011 at 11:33 am
Anybody buy that neither Cash nor Epstein are gonna make a move ?
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Not an iceberg’s chance in hell.
Getting Gardner an extra AB a game is reason enough alone to do that…..doesn’t matter where Jeter hits.
LGY —
Can you explain your thought process?
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Because in addition to what Bo and Jerkface said, the pieces behind them in Grandy, Tex, and Cano get moved to worse spots in the lineup.
As much as I am a Gritner fan you construct your lineup by optimizing those three, not Gardner. And batting 2nd is more important than leadoff.
So Jeter goes to a more important slot in the lineup!
I understand, but with Posada on board I don’t think he could have pulled it off anyway.
blake,
Not happy!
I have said since ST I don’t want Gritner leading off if it means Jeter hits 2nd.
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Again, the issue is Gardner should lead off.
Can you at least acknowledge that yes, he should but you believe Jeter must move to the bottom third of the order? That, at least is logical and debatable.
I can’t buy the argument that leading off Gardner is a mistake because the wrong guy would be hitting second.
Right now the best lineup 1-thu-5 is Gardner, Jeter, Cano, Granderson, Teixiera
How is moving Cano to 3rd, Grandy to cleanup, and Tex to 5th worse? The difference in # of ABs from moving 1 or 2 spots in the lineup is minuscule ……much less than from 9th to 1st. The main goal would be to get Gardner an extra AB.
Heard a while back that the Rangers might be interested in trading Murphy(MLBTR).
Might make a nice 4th Of’er. Nice left-handed swing for NYS. Decent fielder. Plays the corners. Only owed about 1 Mil for remainder of season.
Only a rental I would think. Any interest if true ? Would Texas trade with us, and what do you think they’d take ?
“I have said since ST I don’t want Gritner leading off if it means Jeter hits 2nd.”
So you’d rather Gardy get 4 ABs instead of 5 just on principle? Gotcha
86w183,
What is the point of saying Gardner should lead off and then closing your eyes like nothing else happens as a result of that?
Of course Gardner should lead off, but the discussion is dumb unless you evaluate the TOTAL impact of the move. If Gardner leading off means Jeter hits 2nd, then no the move should not be made.
If Gardner leading off means Jeter hits at the bottom of the order, then that is a move worth making.
MTU,
I doubt the Rangers and Yanks would deal with each other much right now.
Blake-
Kinda thought so but I thought I’d ask.
Thanks.
Bottom line is Girardi needs to find a way to get Jeter less AB against RHP, period.
To hold out hope that Girardi actually has the guts to move Jeter further down in the line-up than 2nd is a pipe dream. Girardi I’m sure is in self preservation mode as he got his xxxx wacked when he had the unmitigated gall to bat PO 9th in a game. He damn sure won’t stir the pot another time.
And, Girardi needs to find a way for Gardner to get more ABs.
At the same time, Gardner needs to have his butt kicked everytime he becomes a spectator at 1B instead of remembering to use his speed to steal or he becomes a spectator at the plate by taking a FB right down the middle of the plate and called out on strikes as usual…
He pulled both of these little stunts late in the game last night.
Gardner has a tendency to drift, I just don’t think he has the killer instinct. With his batting eye, ability to foul off pitches and get on based coupled with his bullet speed he really should be setting his sights on 70 + steals a season, anything less is setting his goals too low.
I’ve seen marked improvement in Gardner in the bases recently…..he’s been more aggressive, getting better jumps, and reading pitchers better……had he started the year like this he’d probably get 70 steals……he might get 60 anyway
I actually think that Gardner in the eighth spot and Nunez ninth is ideal for developing Nunez. As in Nunez taking pitches, having a plan going into the at bat. The kid has talent, the game hasn’t slowed down for him yet. Already his throwing approach has improved. If you watch him now, he purposely slows down before he throws. The coaching is starting to take effect.
It’d be a shame if there was a Nunez giveaway. All he needs is time and reps. Those thirteen SBs aint chopped liver. He has all the makings of a super sub. With Alex and Jeter into the decline years and spotting in the OF he could pull 500 at bats a year easily.
I actually would take a bet that the Mets get a top prospect for Beltran. Beltran could put some teams over the top. Someone will succumb to the pressure and pull the trigger. I think Sandy is playing this one right.
Alderson is top drawer, he knows what he’s doing.
Bo, I would be shocked if NYY moved Nunez… they just do not have a top level guy in the system right now that can play SS and hit.
Unless Cashman is unconcious he keeps Nunez by necessity to play when Jeter gets a day off.
Sure Sandy is playing it right…..no reason to not see if you can get a top player…..however with the combination of it being a rental, his injury history, you get no draft picks, and his no trade……I just don’t see it happening……as previously said though…..it just takes one dumb GM/owner or one team desperate enough to win now.
Beltran could essentially say……I want to go to team X or I wont accept a trade. Now I have no idea if he would do that but Im guessing he’s probably given Sandy a short list of teams he would go to and that limits him somewhat.
blake July 21st, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I’ve seen marked improvement in Gardner in the bases recently…..he’s been more aggressive, getting better jumps, and reading pitchers better……had he started the year like this he’d probably get 70 steals……he might get 60 anyway
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I think the reason he didn’t start the year that way was because he wasn’t hitting so he wasn’t getting on base.
I think it was said he was stealing more bases because his confidence had improved.
it just takes one dumb GM/owner or one team desperate enough to win now.
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Yup. That’s why I’d take the bet. These GMs are managing against each other, and Beltran is a difference maker. Look for a team close in the standings to make that trade.
Curtis is as articulate and thoughtful a baseball player as there is.
Curtis Granderson told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he will scan the crowd at games and ask teammates to “count the number of African-American fans.”
“At first, it starts as a joke” Granderson said. “As the game moves on, you’ll get to 10, or maybe 15. Depends on where you are, too. Places like Chicago or New York, other places it’s easy. In Texas, it’s hard. So after a while it becomes, told you so.”
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Maine,
Maybe…..but he’s been running earlier in counts and more often than he was. Earlier in the year he’d wait and wait and then sometimes not go at all……now he’s just picking a pitc and going.
Blake-
Not all that long ago that team would probably be the Yankees.
Things appear to be different now.
Need are less, greater emphasis on value and the Farm,and Cashman refusing to get fleeced by paying Yankee tax.
The Alex injury might have been a god send in disguise. It forced Nunez into the 3B position. So he can now sub all positions of the IF other than 1B. If they work him into the OF then they have a hell of a valuable player. I like to see development after a kid reaches the Majors. I’m seeing this with Nunez. That quick bat, the speed, the arm – big time potential.
Sabathia’s basic stats his last five games. Pretty damn amazing:
W-L: 5-0
ERA: 0.45
IP: 39 2/3
K-BB: 50-9
Sandy Alderson certainly knows what he’s doing. He’s trying to get the best possible deal for the Mets. This is part of the game, the negotiating, that he will only consider high end prospects. Maybe he gets one team to do so. But, that’s all he needs, one team, to give him the best possible offer.
I think he’ll get somewhat less than that. But, it’s still early. Decisions don’t have to be made just yet. Alderson is in no rush. It’s not like the Mets are going anywhere this year.
MTU,
Yes. I think Cashmans current mindset is that as long as they are good enough to make the playoffs he’s not going to overpay for anything…..he’s big game hunting for someone at a fair price that is a true upgrade ……if it doesn’t come along then ok.
jimbaumbach Nearly two weeks after Jeter’s 3,000th hit, he still hasn’t sent anything to Hall of Fame. “We remain in discussion,” HOF spokesman says.
Blake
It was also said that BS get in slumps just like hitters.
It wasn’t that long ago he was 10 behind Ellsbury and now he leads the league.
Maine,
True. I love how the have ran wild in the Rays……a little pay back for the last couple of years.
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I wish the Braves would go after Beltran or Pence……they have the pieces and they are a bat away from really challenging the Phils.
Hearing rumors the Sux are in on both Beltran and Pence. Either would suck.
Boston doesn’t have the juice to get Pence without touching their big league roster I don’t think.
Blake-
I like that approach even though I’m greedy and feel that some of our prospects are not much more than trade chips.
Cashman has worked hard to rebuild the farm into it’s current quality configuration and I don’t think he would want to just start wasting all that time and effort w/o a good return.
Thing you said is generally contradictory: “big game and reasonable price.”
I’m always ready to be pleasantly surprised.
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It’s not just SS that Nunez should back up. Yes, there’s Chavez who is perfect, unfortunately there is the spun glass factor.
As Pat M said about Nunez in the IF – it’s footwork and hurrying the throws. Kelleher is a top line coach and you can see the results already re Nunez throws. Maybe Cano is becoming too comfortable, do a tune up on him. I don’t much care for his attitude in at bats.
Plug Nunez into the OF with his speed and arm along with Gardner and Granderson and you have an all world defense. All at entry level pay scale.
New one ==>
So what’s Cashman going to do about the pen. Nothing maybe although this Soriano report was disheartening.
“George King of the New York Post reports several people who witnessed the performance in Tampa “weren’t overly impressed” and indicated Soriano needs to improve his location and concentration before he is ready to pitch again in the Bronx.”
MTU,
What I mean is a fair price….a player like that is going to hurt…..it just needs to be a fair price
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MTU
Did you like how he used the farm to get Granderson?
It looks like a good return to me.
Present-day benefit of Jeter hitting behind Gardner:
Now that Gardner isn’t hesitating to steal second, first base must hold him on, shortstop or second baseman must break break for second (depending on pitch selection-inside outside), resulting in big hole on the right side for Jeter.
Pitchers will most likely then focus on pitching Jeter inside- Jeter can sit on pulling a pitch he likes or going other way by pulling his hands in.
So hitting Gardner second ends up giving Jeter a more likely pitch selection, opening up holes for him to hit through, and ultimately making him less likely to hit into the high number of double plays he’d been hitting into before he was taken out of the two hole sometime last year IIRC.
Silver lining analysis.
Link to Grandy’s comments?
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