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Postgame notes: Offense can’t make up for two mistakes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 21, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

“For sure.”

That’s what CC Sabathia said when someone asked whether he pitched better tonight than he had in some of those seven straight wins he had coming into this game.

“CC’s been pitching like that for a long, long time,” Derek Jeter said. “You’d like to see him get a win. He definitely pitched well enough to win, (but) we just couldn’t get anything going off Shields. He’s been doing that all year to most teams that he’s faced. He was better than us today.”

I thought Sabathia would say that he made three mistakes tonight, but he counted only two. In the first inning, he left a curveball up to Evan Longoria, and Longoria hit it for an early home run. The Yankees had gone eight games without allowing a home run, and Sabathia hadn’t given one up since Alfronso Soriano took him deep on June 19.

“Just a bad pitch,” Sabathia said.

The other mistake was a slider to Sam Fuld. It was supposed to be down and away, but Sabathia left it inside and Fuld was able to pull it for a two-out, RBI triple. I thought Sabathia would be disappointed in the two-out walk immediately before the triple — it came against .197 hitter Elliot Johnson — but Sabathia wasn’t sweating that at-bat.

“There was a lefty on deck,” he said. “I feel like I can make pitches and get those guys out most of the time.”

Here’s Sabathia.

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And here’s Derek Jeter.

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• Not much the hitters could say on a night like this. James Shields actually has a lower ERA than Sabathia this season, and he was terrific against the Yankees less than two weeks ago in New York. It’s not like they didn’t know what was coming. “(Shields) threw a lot of strikes, and we were chasing pitches,” Robinson Cano said. “We all know he can really pitch, so when he throws strikes, it’s hard to lay off pitches against him.”

• Shields beat the Yankees for only the fourth time in 18 career starts. Girardi said Shields command and curveball have gotten better. Jeter said it’s that notorious changeup that’s making the difference. “His fastball moves,” Jeter said. “It runs in, he throws his cutter, throws his curveball, but his changeup is his pitch. He lives and dies with his changeup. It’s really tough to pick it up.”

• The Yankees only sign of life came when Jeter and Cano both doubled in the eighth inning. Cano’s two-out RBI drove in the Yankees only run and chased Shields from the game. “It was a curveball,” he said. “That’s what he threw me the first time, so I thought he might throw another one here. That’s what he was throwing to lefties, guys he knows can hit home runs. That’s what I saw all game.”

• Obviously, the decision to pinch hit Curtis Granderson in the seventh was all about trying to get a two-run homer. “Just trying to tie it up with one swing of the bat,” Girardi said. “Grandy has the ability to do that. I talked to him after he did all of his treatment today, and he said he was OK to pinch hit.”

• Granderson put together a good at-bat in the ninth, but ultimately went down swinging to end the game. “He had some pretty good swings,” Girardi said. “He fouled a couple off, and as I said, our guys played hard on this trip and to lose this game you move on and you go try to win a series at home.”

• The Yankees stole 11 bases in the first three games of this series. They didn’t steal any tonight.

• Jeter’s eighth-inning double moved him into a tie with Wade Boggs for 25th on baseball’s all-time hits list. He has 3,010 and needs 10 more to tie Rafael Palmeiro for 24th all-time.

• Fuld’s triple was only the fourth extra-base hit and first triple that Sabathia has allowed to a left-handed hitter this season.

• Mark Teixeira did build a small five-game hitting streak during this road trip — that ended tonight — but he had only two RBI and 10 strikeouts during these eight games immediately after the all-star break.

• Eric Chavez went 1-for-3 with a double and played six innings at third base in tonight’s rehab game with Tampa. Rafael Soriano threw 16 pitches. He pitched one inning, allowing two hits and an earned run.

• Sabathia is now 0-2 in three career starts on his birthday.

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117 Responses to “Postgame notes: Offense can’t make up for two mistakes”

  1. Betsy July 21st, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Poor CC – the guys been unbelievable.

    Boy, I can’t wait until Chavez returns -and I still believe in Soriano

  2. luis July 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    luis July 21st, 2011 at 11:59 pm
    G. Love July 21st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    yes, i think they are going to make moves , but probably to get a bat ( Beltran or someone along those lines ) which means that the top prospects stay.

    Pat M,

    thank you, it’s gives you some perspective about trades.

  3. P July 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    THis offense is freakin terrible.. Tex is just the biggest waste of money every.. it’s unreal how bad he has been.. we did not expect Tex to be this kinda player.. I mean he is absolutely horrendous.. so what about his HR’s he’s connected on a few.. but this guy need to wake up and snap out of it..

    there should be a clause in these long term contracts that if they underperform for more than a year their salary is reduced seriously.. these multi millionairs are too damn comfortable..

    it’s time to start booing tex at the plate and let him know that he either needs to step up or step the heck out@!

    so frustrated that this team can’t score runs.. playoff caliber team? hardly. Just imagine if SP’s (especially the unexpected Garcia and Colon) were not pitching as great as they are.. we’d be in last place!

  4. pft2 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Chavezs bat and glove badly needed. Offense really looking anemic. Teixeira, Granderson and Cano need to get hot.

    Pitching should continue to look good on the homestand agaainst the A’s, Mariners and O’s.

    Schedule through August looks good except for the Red Sox series. A-Rod should be back for the tough September schedule

  5. Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 am

    They should keep Chavez in bubble wrap at all times. The odds of him staying healthy are very small. When he comes back he should take over for Posada as the DH. The odds of him staying healthy are obviously better if he DH’s and never plays the field.

  6. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    you know your offense is bad when people are hoping for eric chavez to comeback and are counting on him. imagine counting on a guy who can fracture a rib sneezing, or hurt his back while reach for a bowl at the dinner table.

    tex has been horrible and the worst part of that statement is he has not made any adjustments to his pull happy, look dead red every pitch approach.

    tommorrow the a’s should have 1 guy on the left side of the infield and have him take a nap when tex is up……

  7. P July 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    it’s amazing that Tex has been this bad for 2 seasons now.. it’s not a slump when you can’t hit for 2 years… guy obviously can’t handle NY.. send him packing please! We can get pujols!

  8. NYYanksFan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Yankee Fans Take A-Rod for Granted

    http://www.prosportsblogging.c.....r-granted/

  9. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Here’s a fact; If Mark Texeira does not produce on this homestand, he will get booed louder than he has ever experienced as a Yankee.

    With the glow of 3000 still on Jeter and Arod out of the lineup, the fans are not gonna let Tex get off scott free.

    Because of this, he’s probably ready to go on a 2 week hot streak while at home and not have to deal with the fans. For his sake and the Yankees sake, I hope that happens.

    If he hits like he has been he’ll get serenaded like Arod used to.

  10. Nilsson July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 am

    Chavez broke his toe running out a triple. He’s the baseball equiv to Sam Jackson’s character in Unbreakable. I’m not sure he’s a decent bet to stay healthy if he returns, DH or otherwise.

    The team needs some more offense to take the burden off the pitching staff.

  11. lounge lizard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    2011 OPS (High Leverage)

    Granderson 1.007
    Cano .773
    Teixeira .738
    Martin ,726
    Swisher .695
    Alex .673
    Posada .645
    Jeter .618
    Gardner .609

    Tex not exactly shining in the big spots but not a glaring offender either .

  12. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Yankee Fans Take A-Rod for Granted

    ————————————-

    In the immortal words of the man himself… “Hah!”

    Seriously, that should read “Yankee Fans (the crap ones) Take A-Rod for Granted”

  13. G-C July 22nd, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Ian Kennedy’s become one of the very best pitchers in baseball.

    Amazing.

  14. waka flocka July 22nd, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Keep whining about Teixiera when Martin, Posada, Jeter, and Nunez are all basically automatic outs.

  15. sammiejohnson July 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Ian Kennedy’s become one of the very best pitchers in baseball.

    ______________________________

    Think what he would look like as our #2 right now.

    This is why Cash has to be extreemly careful with trades right now.

  16. waka flocka July 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 am

    You have to give to get. I would do that trade every time if I am Cashman. Kennedy is a good pitcher, Granderson is a great position player.

  17. sammiejohnson July 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Yes. But it took IPK, Jackson, and Coke to get Grandy. Not just Kennedy.

    I am just worried that Cash might just trade someone like ManBam for a short term gain. Then we have to watch him be lights out for someone else.

  18. 4 NYY July 22nd, 2011 at 2:12 am

    Don’t count on Chavez for any power to speak of. 3 HR’s in his last 300 ML at bats.

    May get hurt on way back. Too bad, he can still field.

    Ian Kennedy was an idiot while here, don’t think he can handle NY.

  19. NYYanksFan July 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 am

    “Seriously, that should read “Yankee Fans (the crap ones) Take A-Rod for Granted”

    The crap ones were loud and the good ones were silent but both were taking for granted what they had.

  20. NYYanksFan July 22nd, 2011 at 2:55 am

    Marcus Thames signed a minor league deal w/ Yankees

  21. 4 NYY July 22nd, 2011 at 3:01 am

    OMG, another round of Thames ! We just keep stockpiling these huge threats.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 3:20 am

    Cashman 2011 – Thames, Gaudin, Mitre . . . shock and awe.

  23. waka flocka July 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 am

    I thought they should have brought Thames back. He can’t be any worse than Jones

  24. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 am

    you guys aren’t really comparing the NL West to the AL East, are you? we saw what Ian Kennedy was with the Yankees. it was the right move to deal him.

  25. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 am

    ian kennedy was nowhere near the propsect manny banuelos is. cashman knows this.

  26. joeman July 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 am

    Offense…scoring around 56 runs for the month of july screams for this team to get a hitter in here

  27. joeman July 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 am

    mind on task….today

  28. rr212 July 22nd, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Thames? Really? Yeah, he’s the answer to this teams problems. I’ve never booed anyone, but I will have no problem booing Tex on saturday if he keeps this up. No excuse for not adjusting.

  29. Carlo July 22nd, 2011 at 6:31 am

    Joeman – how’d u make out in vegas on ur 4th of july trip?

  30. 108 stitches July 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 am

    It’s an old story this year. Can’t push runs across …. too many stranded runners.
    The pitching has done its part. This team needs a run producing bat and it’s a glaring need.

  31. Vineyard Yankee July 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 am

    You would think that the Yankees would have learned their lessons well from past experiences with these retreads they keep bringing back. Mitre, Thames, Gaudin………whos next……N. Johnson, S. Procter, W. Betimit ? ? Same old used up garbage hanging on for a paycheck.

    Clogging up the minors with these clowns will never allow the good young prospects in the system an opportunity to show what they can do.

  32. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 am

    We have to tread water until Arod gets back. It’d be nice to have Tex step up and take over . .but its not in his nature.

    Also. Posada needs to be RE-evaluated badly. .224 with NO power as a DH is unacceptable

  33. Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 6:59 am

    I think Thames is strictly here to be a dh and face leftys. Do not expect him to play the outfield.

  34. Vineyard Yankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:06 am

    Thames is a butcher in the field. A waste of time and money to sign him. Hopefully his mL assignment will fail and he gets released. He might be a decent player in the Korean League.

  35. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Mike,
    yea….I really hate to say it because I would like nothing more than for Jorge to turn things around….but its almost August now and its just not happening. They are getting some of the worst DH production in baseball and that just can’t continue …..a DH has to hit.

    Also hate to beat a dead horse but the Yankees really could use another bat that can consistently hit RHPing and give Cano some real protection.

  36. Gary July 22nd, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Morning, shame they wasted another good pitching performance. The usual culprets, smiling Nick Swisher goes 0 four and leaves 4 on base. Meantime Boston wins again and we are left heaping praise on Shields as the opposing Pitcher.

    Team needs a DH that can hit and hit for power. Cano can’t carry this team every game.

  37. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Gary

    The RS didn’t play.

  38. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 7:20 am

    I hear you Blake.

    I know your a big time Posada fan , …….. it stinks to see him struggle. but his lack of production can’t go on.

    I didn’t think we needed a bat . but with Arod going down , Montero being burried in the minors and Posada struggling . I’ve changed my tune.

  39. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:22 am

    blake

    I don’t envy the one that has to have the sit down with Jorge.

    Cashman took the hard line with Bernie so he is willing.

  40. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Mike,

    The thing is that Jeter, Tex, and Swisher all are better hitters against lefties…..and Cano is hitting. 340 or something against them. They need somebody that can hit RHP on a regular basis. They should obviosuly look for a good starter first…..but if that doesn’t look to be in the cards then they should strongly consider what it’ll take to bring Beltran across town……he’s exactly the type hitter they need.

    Also, kinda bittersweet what Kennedy is doing in Arizona. Im happy for him and it reflects well on the Yankees system……but man is he havin a good season……and please don’t give me the “he’s pitching in the NL”……he just mowed through the Brewers last night. Maybe his numbers would be a lesser worse in the AL but its all the big leagues and if you can pitch you can pitch. His velocity is up and he looks really good right now…….silver lining is they got Granderson so it was still a good.trade.

  41. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Maine,

    I don’t either…..it’ll be tough. They wont release him nor should they……but the can’t keep playing him much longer.

    Listening to the radio this morning its amazing how dumb and uninformed Rob Dibble is…..he is paid to talk about baseball and I swear there are at least 30 posters on this blog that are more informed about what’s going on in the game than he is. He’s just clueless.

  42. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Blake-

    A while back now I thought Posada was turning it around.

    Since then he has contiued to decline.

    Respect what he done for the Yankees but it seems his time has come and gone.

    So I guess I agree with you. Time for a change.

    I like the idea of adding some offense. But who ?

    Beltran is gonna really cost I think, and Montero is currently trade bait IMO.

  43. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Blake

    I feel the same about Kruk.

    I rarely watch BB tonight because they don’t usually make much sense.

    I was hoping Jorge would get going but I was afraid he wouldn’t.

    It looks to me like Swisher’s LH swing is long again.

  44. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:46 am

    MTU

    I heard he’s being offered for some Jimmy guy. :P

  45. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Maine-

    Texeira’s cold streaks are becoming a concern too.

    He disappears at the plate sometimes for relatively long periods of time.

    Girardi needs to consider some lineup changes even though I doubt he
    makes any significant ones.

  46. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Maine-

    Yeah. Jimmy cricket.

    ;)

  47. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 7:50 am

    The crap ones were loud and the good ones were silent but both were taking for granted what they had.

    ——————————————————————————————————————

    Speak for yourself, Confucius

  48. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 7:57 am

    MTU

    I’m not sure how making many changes will help.

    They all seem to be in a funk of different degrees.

  49. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Good morning all-

    It’s not just Posada!!

    From NY Daily News:

    Teixeira finished June with 25 home runs and 63 RBI to go along with his .243 average, .351 on-base percentage and .541 slugging percentage.

    Those numbers have dropped dramatically in July, as he is hitting .238 with no home runs and only four RBI in the first 16 games of the month. His on-base percentage is .314 and his slugging is an anemic .302, further evidence of his lack of power.Teixeira has done the bulk of his damage at Yankee Stadium this season, hitting 16 of his 25 homers in the Bronx while driving in 43 of his 67 runs at home.

    Teixeira has done the bulk of his damage at Yankee Stadium this season, hitting 16 of his 25 homers in the Bronx while driving in 43 of his 67 runs at home.

    If you want to read entire article:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e_in_.html

  50. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Maine-

    Do you have any suggestions that might help improve things then ?

  51. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    MTU

    Time for a closed door meeting.

  52. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Do you need a southeast rep to join your closed door meeting?

  53. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Maine-

    I see. Might help. Can’t hurt.

    Think that’s enough ?

    What would do if that doesn’t help ?

  54. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 am

    MTU

    I don’t think just one or two things are whats needed.

    There doesn’t seem to be the fire in this team that was there in the past.

    Yankee Trader

    I think until Granderson hit his last HR he had gone about as long as Tex.

    He was providing more offense but the power had gone into hiding.

  55. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 am

    MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 am
    Maine-

    I see. Might help. Can’t hurt.

    Think that’s enough ?

    What would do if that doesn’t help ?

    —————————————————————————–

    That’s out of my league.

  56. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    This team should make the playoffs as presently constructed.

    Question is how far they get once they get there.

    Playoffs are a crapshoot so anything can happen but you gotta feel more confident with strong SP and a decent offense.

  57. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Maine-

    “That’s out of my league.”

    Above your pay grade. I see.

    Well I hope it isn’t above Cashman’s.

    ;)

  58. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:13 am

    How many times have any of us witnessed a Yankee comeback in the 8th or 9th inning this year in a close game. This team has the Earl Weaver philosophy-hit the 3 run homer to win. When’s the last time we saw a 3 run homer?

    The Yankees went up there in the 9th against Farns”worth” ,not worthless anymore, swinging out of their shoes looking for the homerun.

    The Yankees need a .300 hitter who can start a rally or end it with a hit with RISP.

  59. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    YT-

    A Bobby Abreu type.

  60. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Tex disappears for long periods of time – and when he does, he’s BAD, not just mediocre. It’s very disappointing – he’s rarely there when the Yankees need him; he’s much better (and even then he’s streaky) when he has Alex in the lineup to do the heavy lifting. He’s just not that good of a hitter anymore. He’ll hit HRs and drive in runs, but his average has plummeted the last couple of years – sure he’ll hit HRs and drive in runs, but it’s when he does them that counts and he often does not come through in big moments

    He’s not the only problem – Cano has not had a great year and that’s been disappointing as well. The core four were remarkable for their consistent greatness (or very goodness) year after year, but Cano has been up and down in his career. Given the age of this team, he has to be someone the team can rely on to be consistently excellent………….

  61. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 am

    MTU

    This team has enough talent to win but the question is why are they so inconsistent.

    Some say get this player or bring up this one.

    The problem isn’t just one or two players.

    This offense just isn’t very consistent.

    Why?

    That’s beyond me.

  62. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Maine,

    Yea Kruk is terrible as well…..both of those guys just wing it.

    MTU,

    Agreed….I don’t know how much Beltran will cost…..but I think the Yanks coukd possibily get him without tradingany of the big guns…..if they coukd then they should IMO.

  63. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 8:18 am

    I don’t buy the no fire thing – this isn’t football – I just don’t think they are as good as we’d hoped. Frankly, I expected this of the offense – before the season began, I had serious questions about it based on age and performance. For the most part, those questions haven’t been answered in a positive way. The pitching has been better than anticipated, but it’s not sufficient to get through a post-season.

  64. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Maine-

    Do you agree with my 8:13 post.

    MTU-

    Yes a Bobby Abreu type hitter, but more a righthanded good fielding type.

  65. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Maine-

    “This offense just isn’t very consistent.

    Why?”

    I’m sure your gonna get a lot of responses and a lot of theories.

    That should keep you busy.

    :)

  66. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I agree that Tex hasn’t performed well…..but that’s a different situation. He’s on a big contract and he’s far and away their best defender at 1B……there is really nothing you can do but hope he turns it around. DH is the by far the easiest spot to upgrade……

    The only thing you can do with Tex is move him down vs RHP to 5th……

  67. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    YT-

    Yeah. But were do we get such a Man ? And what is the cost ?

    Are you talking Beltran ? Your good at these things. Who are you suggesting ?

  68. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    The Yankees have the 3rd best record in baseball and have been banged up all year……they are 7 game clear of a playoff spot…..its not that bad.

  69. 108 stitches July 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Good teams will :

    - drive in runs with 2 outs / timely hitting

    - not be content with a 1 or 2 run lead and strive for insurance runs late in a game

    - occasional walk off wins

    - not beat themselves by allowing extra at bats to opponents through poor fielding

    - give themselves up to move runners over in scoring position

  70. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Yankee Trader

    I’m not sure.

    I don’t think most of them are thinking about just that.

    I still think this team has enough talent to be playing better than they are.

  71. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Is Warren and Phelps enough to get Beltran? Is that too much to give? Perhaps the Mets would look at what Kennedy is going and like to take a chance that one of those two could do something similar……Phelps reminds me of Kennedy a little in his pitching know how.

  72. disco stu July 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    It is amazing how much different Tex looks at the plate now batting left handed when you compare to 2008 when he was with the Angels. All anyone needs to do is check out some archive video of Tex at mlb.com.

    There are 3 things he used to do that he no longer does:

    His batting stance was much more closed – he actually reminds me of the way AGon looks at the plate.

    His hands are much quieter – now he does that twirl thing with the bat as some sort of trigger mechanism, I guess.

    He consistently let the ball travel deeper and would drive it to left center. There are actually highlights of Tex hitting home runs to left center batting left handed – when was the last time he did that? The only time you will see Tex hit the ball the other way is when he is late on a fast ball.

    So as a result of these flaws, teams now overshift and Tex consistently hits into it, they throw hard away and soft inside because it exposes the fact that he is so quick to get the bat head out in front of him.

    None of us here can claim to be hitting experts, but I think many of us are pretty good students of the game (despite our fandom). It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that these flaws are making Tex a shell of the hitter he once was.

    It has become eerily similar to what happened with Jason Giambi … who absolutley raked to all fields with Oakland and then became the Y2K verision of Oscar Gamble when he became a Yankee.

  73. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Blake-

    I wouldn’t do that. 1 maybe.

    Mets want an A-lister. Who knows if they can get one ?

  74. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:20 am
    Maine-

    “This offense just isn’t very consistent.

    Why?”

    I’m sure your gonna get a lot of responses and a lot of theories.

    That should keep you busy.
    ———————————————————————————–

    I stepped in it last night here so I’ll stay away from that today.

  75. The Mick536 July 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    I must be following a different team. What are most of you talking about? The team is so flawed, mismanaged, and misguided. The next move will probably be to bring Soriano back from the Cubs. I gag when I hear or see Girardi. Someone should check the voltage on the electroshock they give him. I though of him when I watched the Murdocks. I don’t know whom I would protect in the fire sale, except for maybe Cano and CC.

  76. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    “This offense just isn’t very consistent.

    Why?”

    —————————
    1. look for the homerun to bail them out
    2. can’t hit against the shift, now being used on more Yankees other than Tex
    3. weak bench
    4. injuries to Chavez
    5. A-Rod not the same player
    6. worst performing DH
    7. lineup-not using the best lineup to maximize run production
    8. Aging players
    9. Not enough big bats in AAA, other than Montero[free Jesus] that can help
    10. I ran out. Anyone have a Dave Letterman #10?

  77. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Blake is absolutely right on an offensive upgrade. DH is the only spot they can upgrade upon other than, perhaps, RF. Due to salary and contractual issues they have to live with production or lack thereof of others.

    One of the purposes of prospects is to trade them for needs. It is very odd their are no Yankees rumors. None. Cashman just keeps listening.

  78. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Tex really should get with K Long this winter and work on age proofing his LH swing…..meaning reducing moving, shortening and flattening his swing plane. Its much easier to.make those adjustments when you’re younger. We are starting to see a combination of age and bad habits with him from that side……the age part is only going to get worse so he needs to adapt to give himself more time and more margin for error……the shift is killing him.

  79. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I meant to add-With all that the Yankees still have the 3rd best record in the league, playing in the toughest division.

  80. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    blake

    Wasn’t Kennedy a higher prospect that those two?

  81. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 am
    We have to tread water until Arod gets back

    *************************

    If anyone needs an Alex fix, go see Friends With Benefits this weekend. :)

  82. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Maybe it’s time for Tex to humble himself a bit and take a chance on a mid-season visit with Dr. Long ?

    It worked for Grandy maybe it works for Tex ?

  83. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Blake, no way I’d do that for a rental………

  84. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    MTU,

    I would do Phelps and Warren for Beltran….they aren’t near their top guys and you keep Nova, Noesi, Banuelos, Betances etc…..all who are higher on the depth chart. Win now baby :) (as long as it doesn’t screw up the future too bad ;)

  85. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Blake-

    I wouldn?t do that. 1 maybe.

    Mets want an A-lister. Who knows if they can get one ?

    _____________________________

    I think the bigger problem is that Boston is so rumored to be in that as well. Even if we didn’t have to give up a better prospect, we will because both Philly and Boston will be sure to up that price for them. They’re not going to get Beltran on a steal when both of those teams are interested. The Metros will play them all off of each other.

  86. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Tex really should get with K Long this winter and work on age proofing his LH swing…..meaning reducing moving, shortening and flattening his swing plane. Its much easier to.make those adjustments when you’re younger. We are starting to see a combination of age and bad habits with him from that side……the age part is only going to get worse so he needs to adapt to give himself more time and more margin for error……the shift is killing him.

    ———————————-
    Blake-
    He’s been there, done that. See attached:

    http://www.sportsgulp.net/?p=612

  87. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I thought Tex already visited with Long this off-season…………….

  88. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Maine,

    Yes he was…..but Phelps has dang good minor league numbers…

  89. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    I would do Phelps and Warren for Beltran..

    __________

    And Boston would say Lowrie and Lavarnaway (sp?), and we’d have to include one of the others you mentioned. Or Philly jumps in with their offer, and we have to include more. It’s not going to look good for NY to get Beltran.

  90. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Trader,

    It didn’t take then or they didn’t work on the right stuff.

    Betsy,

    They can’t keep them all…..you can’t have an 8 man deep rotation at SWB. The have a lot of these B level pitching prospects that are headed for a log jam…..use them for something rather than keeping them in AAA until they are 25.

  91. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    Even if I agreed I still think the Mets might want more, or a higher grade prospect.

    I agree with Howard. My guess is that someone desperate or foolish might overpay for him.

    If not, your trade should be more than adequate.

    keep your fingers crossed and try to behave.

    ;)

  92. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I don’t know why anyone expected Tex to step up here. Tex is not a “carry you on my back” kind of guy. He’s at his best when the entire team is hitting (or at least the guys around him). Take a look at his stats from the last time ARod was out with the hip. He’s rarely going to go out and put a team on his bat.
    His glove is phenomenal…his bat, right now, is not so much. Kevin Long isn’t going to help that at this point. He’s clearly tried to fix what’s wrong, told us as much, and hasn’t. He connects at YS a lot, but if we need a single RBI to drive guys in, I take three other guys on this team before him.
    Just me.

  93. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Howard/MTU,

    That’s all true and.possible……the may not get him and the bidding may get to a poi t where the price is too high…..but don’t you have to at least pursue it? Plus he’s got a not trade……he can.dictate where he goes.

  94. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I think if NY said “well give you X, and pay half of what’s left” that might get it done, as the other two teams we should worry about are probably not going to include the money.

    But, either of them, I believe anyhow, would eat money too but have floated that they won’t.

  95. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Blake-

    I really think, if the rumors are true that the Mets are willing to trade within the division, that if the Phillies are willing to part with either Major league tested Vance Worley or Dominic Brown, that the Phillies will get him.

  96. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    If anyone needs an Alex fix, go see Friends With Benefits this weekend. :)

    ——————-

    Did he make the cut? I guess we’ll know tomorrow.

  97. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Blake, that doesn’t mean I would have to trade them just to trade them………..and definitely not for a rental. Who’s to say that they won’t be very good? Our top pitching prospects have disappointed, so maybe the lower rung will be better. I’m not for not trading them, but again – not for a rental.

  98. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    Not at all against them trying.

    Price is the only concern.

    Too bad it isn’t a straight salary dump.

    :(

  99. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Blake, I would trade them both as neither is considered a high end pitcher. Major league ability, yes. Top 2-3 type, very likely, no.

    Pence will cost much more in talent, but today’s Houston paper reports financial considerations are paramount for the Astros. Can the Yankees take on a contract to get Pence for less.

    Additionally, the paper reported the Sox interest in Pence and the Astros scouting their Class A players. The Yankees have shown no interest.

    Is it acceptable to ownership to reduce the teams chances of winning so Posada can go out as a regular? That’s the way it appears since their is no other reason not to upgrade.

  100. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    but don?t you have to at least pursue it?

    Absolutely. Also, I don’t think Beltran would ever veto a trade to a team going to the playoffs. It’s how he got his current contract, and he’ll do all he can to get another.
    Just my opinion.

  101. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Howard

    Lowrie has to much of an injury history to be considered very valuable.

    Also don’t know if the RS want him at ss next year or not.

  102. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    YT-

    If you concede the point that the Mets would trade in division, I agree, my dough is on the Phillies.

    They are in win now mode, and have the chips.

    Amaro has shown a willingness to do what it takes.

  103. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Blake-

    Any ideas on why Tex constantly moves and twirls the bat before a pitch is thrown? Seems like a lot of wasted energy to me. Long quieted down Grandy’s swing and it worked for him. Of course Granderson has quick wrists ala Hank Aaron and Tex doesn’t. Swishers approach was also quieted by Long, but he falls back into swinging out of his shoes rather than getting on base.

  104. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Austin-

    Doesn’t Pence K a lot ? Is he the type of contact hitter we’d like ?

  105. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Pitching has been pretty good I’d say. CC was awesome again. Colon has regained his pre-ASB form. Garcia worked 6 1/3 no run innings. Robertson has excelled. Mo is Mo. Hughes is coming back and did well. I have no problems with this staff. (AJ is AJ BTW).

    The offense this year – is just plain streaky and performing worse than last year and in 09. No consistency and BA and OBP are just down across the board (with the exception of Gardy and Grandy). Everyone is hurt and or nursing or recovering from wounds. Our DH is a black hole with the pride the size of a nebula. Jeter is in *steep* decline and no one has the cahones to move him down the order. Hopefully Chavez will provide some boost and hopefully they promote Montero and dump Cervelli.

  106. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Gotta go for a blood test (routine).

    Catch you all later.

    Keep the ideas going.

  107. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Yes if the Phillies want to part with Brown or Worley then that’s where he’s going…..I.don’t know if they would though ….especially Brown. If Im the Yanks I offer Phelps, Warren, and to pick up all of the salary……if that doesn’t get it done (or something similar) then I walk away. Beltran is a difference making bat when healthy and would provide some consistent production vs RHP who’d they desperately need.

  108. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    The Beltran latest . mlbtraderumors.com

    Beltran told Newsday’s David Lennon that he would prefer to stay in the National League. The outfielder prefers not to DH more than once per week and will consider a team’s pitching staff before accepting a deal.
    A Mets official told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that there are six or seven active suitors for Beltran. The Mets were watching Braves Triple-A lefty Mike Minor closely yesterday, according to Sherman.

    the Giants are having some trouble matching up with the Mets; the Indians’ interest is cooling; the Mets aren’t worried about obtaining Beltran’s permission for a deal; The Tigers are focused on pitching; the Rangers have some interest in Beltran; the Brewers would like to scrape together a package and it’s too early to rule out the Phillies, Red Sox, Braves or Yankees.

  109. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    New Post: Random thoughts on the way back home

    :arrow:

  110. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Lowrie has to much of an injury history to be considered very valuable

    I agree, but, he’s more valuable than a minor leaguer right now. He’s a viable back up plan for when Reyes runs off to LAA, and has raked MLB pitching when given the chance. The Mets know that if get a player that can play now, and a prospect or two, they’re in much better shape than just taking a prospect.
    If you said “nunez” or “nova” instead of Phelps, then the argument would be more in favor for the Yankees than two guys who wont sniff their club this year, or probably next.

  111. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Trader,

    It’s just a timing mechanism and routine he’s gotten in to. I like things the quiter the better…….there is a reason Paul Molitor raked until he was in his late 30s

  112. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    howard, blake, mtu, maine, betsy, austinmac, bronx jeers- did I leave anyone out this morning?

    How will Beltran or Pence add to the offense unless Girardi/Cashman make the toughest of all decisions to relegate Posada to the bench, and let the 4 Of’ers play everyday either in the field or DH???

  113. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    decisions to relegate Posada to the bench

    ____________________

    I had taken this as the “given” in the argument. I think if they get a bat, they’re we’re not going to see Po very much anymore, which is absolutely fine with me at this point.

  114. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    edit: should read “that we’re”. Sorry.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Just for the sake of balance, those damning Posada (AGAIN) might want to consider that we played those NL games, followed by the All-Star Break, not to mention the guy is pretty much in a strict platoon situation.

    I have no problem with Montero coming up and getting some PAs against lefties (not that I think Posada wouldn’t eventually hit them, but if they’re just not going there, I want Montero to get those) and if it turns out they want to ease Montero in by way of Jorge and BU, well, at least those BAs are going to Montero. Otherwise, I’ll take my shot with Posada getting back some of the timing he recovered when everyone was singing his swan song, and he went on a run of hitting doubles. He’s not the hitter he once was, but he can still be productive, despite the emotionalism here that he should just disappear.

    I don’t see us in on Beltran at all, simply because there appears to be too much competition for him and the Mets will have PR concerns on top of that in trying swing a deal with the Yankees. Of course, he’d help a great deal, but don’t see that happening. And if it did,there’s no way Beltran would be coming here to platoon, and I think he probably prefers the NL because he likes playing the OF. Any way, I doubt that’s happening.

  116. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Just for the sake of balance, those damning Posada (AGAIN)

    It’s not like there isn’t good reason to do so. He started cold as cold be, warmed up for a little while off the bench, and has reverted right back to where he was to start with. It’s time to move on.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Howard, I don’t think Posada is done. As I said, we played an NL swing and then the break came. Just maybe that has something to do with him being out of sync again. I get that most prefer the melodramatic declarations, and that no one was more surprised that he started hitting than those who long to dance on his grave. There’s also the matter of 13 million dollars. Like I said, if they are getting antsy on him, then bring up Jesus Montero. But I’d prefer him to replace Martin for half the games.

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