Game 97: Yankees vs. A’s
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2011 
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Yankees lineup
1. Brett Gardner LF
2. Derek Jeter SS
3. Curtis Granderson CF
4. Mark Teixeira DH
5. Robinson Cano 2B
6. Nick Swisher RF
7. Jorge Posada 1B
8. Eduardo Nunez 3B
9. Francisco Cervelli C
Phil Hughes RHP
A’s lineup
1. Jemile Weeks 2B
2. Coco Crisp CF
3. Josh Willingham DH
4. Hideki Matsui LF
5. Scott Sizemore 3B
6. David DeJesus RF
7. Conor Jackson 1B
8. Kurt Suzuki C
9. Cliff Pennington SS
Trevor Cahill RHP
TV/Time: MY9/7:08
Umpires: Marty Foster HP, Bill Welke 1B, Jeff Nelson 2B, Vic Carapazza 3B
Weather: Fair, 100 degrees, heat index of 106
Three-hole: Granderson is batting third for the first time this season.
Thievery: Brett Gardner has stolen 16 straight bases, the best single-season stretch of his career and the best by a Yankee since Johnny Damon swiped 16 in a row in 2007.
Staying in the park: Yankees pitchers have served up just one homer over the last nine games.
Update, 7:09: This is the first time the first-pitch temp here has been 100 since July 5, 1999. The Yankees’ last 100-degree first-pitch game was Aug. 4, 2008, at Texas. That time it was 101.
Update, 7:17: Bad beginning for Hughes. Two walks and a two-out RBI double by Scott Sizemore on a 92-mph fastball.
Update, 7:27: Teixeira, who came up at .240, struck out to strand Granderson at second. Granderson is taking a beating lately. He was drilled in the side of the right thigh, the third time he has been hit in the last four games. This time, he promptly stole second.
Update, 7:33: Hughes’ search for consistency is ongoing. Double, sacrifice and an RBI single by Cliff Pennington on a 91 mph fastball. It’s 2-0 in the second.
Update, 7:42: Hughes gets out of the bases-loaded, two-out jam after another single and a walk. Matsui grounds to second.
Update, 7:52: Nunez delivers here in the second, ground single to right for an RBI. So it’s 2-1.
Update, 7:54: Cervelli singles to right, bases loaded, one out.
Update, 7:56: Infield hit for Gardner with a headfirst dive, 2-2.
Update, 7:58: Two-run single for Jeter, 4-2. That’s hit No. 3,011. It breaks a tie with Wade Boggs for sole possession of 25th on the all-time list.
Update, 8:00: Sac fly for Granderson, 5-2. Now heading for the third.
Update, 8:04: Finally, a 1-2-3 inning for Hughes, although his velocity was down a bit, mostly 90-91.
Update, 8:12: Three-run homer for Swisher, still no outs in the third. It’s 8-2.
Update, 8:14: A mercy pulling. Bob Melvin is taking out Cahill – eight runs, eight hits, no outs, two on in the third. Michael Wuertz is coming on.
Update, 8:26: Wuertz walks Jeter to force in a run.
Update, 8:28: Wuertz walks Granderson to force in a run, 10-2, still one out.
Update, 8:29: Teixeira finally hits a homer, grand slam, No. 26. It’s 14-2.
Update, 8:33: Swisher singles with two outs. Batter No. 13 is up in the inning. My scorecard is deteriorating.
Update, 8:35: Posada fans. It’s over. The Yankees’ nine runs marked their biggest inning of the season. Now let’s see, if they have 14 runs after three innings, what are they going to wind up with? Sometimes the tap runs cold at this point. We’ll see.
Update, 8:42: Hughes is doing nothing to assure the Yankees that they don’t need to pick up another starter by the trade deadline. With a 14-2 lead, he has hit the first guy and given up a two-run homer to Pennington.
Update, 8:45: Hughes has nothing. Double, E-7 on the play, then RBI single. It’s 14-5. There’s action in the bullpen finally. It’s Luis Ayala.
Update, 8:52: Hughes gets out of the inning. Now Fautino De Los Santos will come on for Oakland in the fourth.
Update, 9:12: The first two A’s get singles in the fifth. Hector Noesi is warming.
Update, 9:16: Amazing. Hughes is handed a 12-run lead and he can’t be effective enough to get a win. Girardi is pulling him with the bases loaded and one out. Noesi will come in.
Update, 9:20: Two-run single for Weeks, 14-7.
Update, 9:44: There are two in scoring position with one out in the sixth for the A’s.
Update, 9:47: Noesi gets out of it. Brian Fuentes will come on for Oakland.
Update, 9:54: End of six, 14-7. The Yankees have 14 hits, but just two of them outside of the second and third innings.
Update, 10:06: Jerry Devine will come to pitch the seventh for Oakland. It’s down to 89 degrees here, 93 with the humidity. Brandon Laird will pinch hit for Jeter, his major-league debut.
Update, 10:11: Laird walks after Devine throws the first pitch behind his back. Devine looks rather wild.
Update, 10:16: Devine walked all three men he faced. So Brad Ziegler will come into a bases-filled, no-out spot.
Update, 10:22: Two-run single for Swisher. His five RBI ties his career high.
Update, 10:39: First big-league hit for Laird, RBI single to center. It’s 17-7 in the eighth.
Update, 10:49: Yankees win, 17-7.
stay cool and enjoy the game folks
Hopefully Hughes doesn’t feel the pressure to pitch a perfect game with this anemic offense behind him.
Go Huuuuuughes! Go Yanks!
It’s a beautiful 70 degrees at the beach in So Cal with a nice breeze. Stay cool!
GRRR. Stupid blackout restriction. I literally live thousands of miles from Oakland.
GO YANKEES
i like hughes curve….doesnt look as loopy as much.
I literally live thousands of miles from Oakland.
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mel,
Im surprised you even get cable in the boonies.
WCYF,
In my neck of the woods in Socal. Its freakin 90 degrees.
Omedetou gozaimasu, Matsui-san!
Omedetou gozaimasu, Matsui-san!
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mel,
translation.
size more was 3 for his last 22 and gets a hit..unreal
Walks always come back to hurt you. This lineup is awful, Hughes has to find a way to put guys away with 2 strikes.
Gameday is showing Phil in and around the strike zone in each at bat, yet he’s not getting the call.
Getting squeezed or is this another case of Gameday not being a good indicator?
m July 22nd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
GRRR. Stupid blackout restriction. I literally live thousands of miles from Oakland.
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I feel your pain M, i don’t live anywhere near Baltimore but I get blacked out of all those games.
SoS – I live a block from the beach and it’s 70 degrees right now.
SoS,
Congrats.
hope the Yanks bats feel like working tonight
I’m getting the game on My9 on DirecTV not YES.
can we now stop about yankee guys coming up and pitching.We need to trade for 1 not keep trying guys like hughes.This guy gives up a run to the WORST hitting team there is in the AL
syd,
Okay, I won’t complain then. We play Baltimore a lot more than we play the A’s!
WCYF,
I live 30 minutes from it and its hot as hell.
This must be a My9 game. I’m getting the OAK feed on MLB Extra Innings.
Is it just me or is everyone we’ve faced lately have a sub 4 era?
Okay, so none of us are happy.
Having more guys in front of him get on base can maybe help with the shift.
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SOS
Good point
It is a my 9 game on my MLB TV on my big screen
Gardner gets caught in walk mode too often
jeter is 6 for his last 30…come on!!!!!!!!
wow first full game back and Grandy gets plunked again
They come home and it is like they are on the road.
can we now stop about yankee guys coming up and pitching.We need to trade for 1 not keep trying guys like hughes.This guy gives up a run to the WORST hitting team there is in the AL
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I think we need a bat. This pitching staff will keep us in games. But you need to score to win games.
grandy’s been getting hit a lot recently….
i wonder why?
Kay is back ..too bad. Singy and coney were excellent past 8 games.
It is my 9 and Kaye and Paully doing the game
grandy-man
grandy’s been getting hit a lot recently….
i wonder why?
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Time to trade for that baltimore pitcher and retaliate. Why can hockey have enforcers and not baseball? I miss Farnsworth in times like these.
LOL does not matter where we bat TEX maybe should go to 9th now
Super shift + Off speed pitches = outs of for Tex.
If a pitcher can throw a chageup you can guarantee Tex will see it. It really is amazing how he can’t adjust to anything off speed right now. He really needs to change his swing left handed like Granderson did to have consistent success.
it is groundhog day day in and day out. tex misses a offspeed pitch way out in front and jeter grounds the ball to short or 2nd udually very early in the count.
jeter not only sucks but he is selfish, takes zero pitches. that is ok when you hit 300 + but not when you hit like mark belanger
someone needs to explain how TEX can go from a pretty reliable hitter to a power/K hitter in the span of a year and a half. is something physically wrong with him? jason bay-itis??
Let’s go Hughes!!!!
Hughes doesn’t look to have the fastball tonight
at this point, its not even worth getting mad over Tex anymore…. As much as I would like for him to hit, he hasn’t..
And as I write this..Phil gives up a lead off double… **sigh**
and if hughes can’t pitch well against this lineup i don’t see how we can even think of him being reliable in the playoffs
hughes looks good again.
oy vey… 91 over the plate.. terrible…
sigh…great on a night that the yanks aren’t hitting. Also don’t like the fact that Hughes is missing his location
Adam Warren gets one of the double header starts against baltimore, with Nova on the DL.
Again can we stop the Hughes project? i mean really THE A’S SUCK WORSE THEN TAMPA
I hate to get on Phil but……It’s obvious that his stuff is nothing special. The A’s lineup is awful and they are having no problem with him. He just doesn’t have enough weapons to dominate or even go through a lineup 3-4 times and pitch really well. At this point Nova is better than him and he is costing them wins because his stuff is average at best.
Hughes is having trouble with FB command early on. Hopefully he’ll settle in soon and shut them down.
didn;t know Ricky Weeks had a brother playing
getting pretty sick of hughes’s best move is of him spinning around to watch the ball being hammered in all directions of YS
see if big head kay makes a comment tonight on texiera’s horrible play.
no chance.
Phil’s location is really bad
so now a team 12 games under .500 is gonna handle the Yankees. Well so much for building on a good start for Hughes last time out..
getting pretty sick of hughes’s best move is of him spinning around to watch the ball being hammered in all directions of YS
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Should he skip the middle man and just throw it to some gap somewhere in YS? That might keep his pitch count low.
wow this is unfortunately getting uglier by the minute
OAK announcers claiming that Big Game James Shields is now on the trade market. I don’t think TB has given up just yet.
Hughes did a better job pitching on the DL.
Get the bullpen up.
That’s the first time that I was glad to see Matsui hit one to 2B.
50 friggin pitches in two innings already..
Hughes came up as a power pitcher. He now is at most major league average velocity. With his lack of command, he will struggle mightily.
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Is that oficial?, or just a guess on your part
Hughes needs another 2-3 mph and more movement on his fastball tonight+location
I wouldn’t be suprised if Noesi starts warming up in the 3rd at the 1st sign of trouble. The A’s lineup is brutal and Hughes just doesn’t have it. He throws way too many pitches and just never developed his pitches to be as good as people thought he would be.
playing these to teams should put us on a 6 game winning streak…we better go at least 5-1. We need to start winning more consistantly
4 hits and 3 walks will bring a pitch count up quickly.. Very disappointed in this outing tonight. Really thought he’d come out and do better, but what do I know.
cano showing off the jets
The Yankees need to develop pitchers who either have great movement on the fastball or can throw a changeup. that’s what makes pitchers great in today’s world. if you can’t sink or cut the fastball or don’t have a quality changeup, you better be throwing 95 mph or have Maddux-like command.
The other thing is no matter what Hughes does tonight, the offense has to come to life. Want to know the difference between the Red Sox and Yankees right now? It’s not pitching. The Sox have 4 guys in their rotation right now with ERA’s at 4.80 or over (Wakefield, Miller, Lackey, and Weiland). Yet they continue to win at a .600 clip. The difference is the offense. How many times do you see a Sox pitcher give up a couple runs early and then score almost right away? They bail out bad pitching performances like the Yankees used to do in their sleep. This Yankee team looks like a NL club where they NEED a strong pitching performance to win and even then it’s often not enough.
its about time…maybe this will start a rally (can’t believe there are more Yankee fans in Oakland then A’s fans)
Might the Yankees trade for one of the A’s before they leave Yankee Stadium on Sunday? Coco Crisp?
Dejesus doesnt want to burn bridges with his future teammates.
luis July 22nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Is that oficial?, or just a guess on your part
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that’s the report out of Scranton. He got his ome inning tuneup in tonight and came out. No injury.
Posada and Martin have to keep the ball off the ground
Nunez no Martin
why isn’t cano on 3rd?
Very bad base running from cano
Can’t hit a ball much harder. Mistake on the bases by Cano
Cano should have tagged up Gosh i hate this team right now
Putting Posada in this lineup kills any momentum that the Yanks get. He’s absymal and needs to admit he’s done!
Need to score here.
Cano read that ball really bad. You have to tag up, Crisp had it the whole way.
go find another one to root for then
Way to go the other way.
Nunez!!
nunez is a pretty impressive rookie
It seems like Nunez always gets hits in these spots
Cervelli should get more PT
Nice job hitting Nunez.
Gardy needs to get this run in not another K
would love to see a bunt for a run if fielders in dp mode.
Cervelli even getting in on the action. Big spot for Gardner early in the game.
Speed by Gardner.
Thanks ump
This is how you string together runs with good at bats. Keep it going!
lucky break. he was out and lucky he didn’t have his hand stepped on.
Atta boy, Jete!
Clutch hit by the captain.
Even Jeter is getting in on the action
El capitan!!!
Jeter just got a hit/RBI so maybe it is our night after all
jete fails to hit into a DP
Gardner would have been cleanly safe had he ran through. Always stupid to slide head first. Woooo Jeter
*Ghosts At Work
Breaks and yankees in the same sentence yay
What a nice turnaround.
Nice, go Granderson!!!
wow Jeter stealing a base standing up lmao
Nice clutch hit by Jeter! Get a couple more now!
is it just me or have the yankees been running more since arod got hurt?
And a stolen base by Jeter to cancel the DP.
Gardner’s speed is wicked.
That was awful base running by Jeter, nice way to let the pitcher off the hook.
It would be amusing if Posada stole a base. Jeter, NSM.
kd July 22nd, 2011 at 8:00 pm
is it just me or have the yankees been running more since arod got hurt?
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that is because Nunez is playing everyday and Gardner recently got his SB groove back
OAK announcers said that Matsui’s throw from LF was “just a little bit off”. LMAO!!!
Cahill having the same problem as Hughes. The stat about teams combined scoring of 10 runs in games over 90 degrees is not a lie. Hopefully it will be 8-2 Yankees
kd July 22nd, 2011 at 8:00 pm
is it just me or have the yankees been running more since arod got hurt?
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They seemed to have started running when Jeter got hurt. Gardner & Nunez on double steals. Throw Grandy in too.
Gardner got more aggressive and it seemed to really get things going.
quick bounce back inning from hughes would be nice
What’s been Phil’s general velocity thus far? Thanks!
rare base running mistke by jeter
The shaky pitching could be a product of the temperature.
Now Hughes has to hold them down and not Javier Vasquez back the runs
Of course the life in his FB is more important than velocity, but if it’s still down, it may be a fact that it might not be until next year when his arm truly bounces back.
It can’t be easy to be a pitcher tonight – I imagine both are having issues gripping the ball
a 1-2-3 inning would be really nice right here
Nice play by Cano
Nice play Cano.
nice play Robbie
Hughes with the 1-2-3 inning
Don’t want Hughes sitting for too long. Let’s just limit it to five runs an inning
Nice play Robi, good stretch Jorgie.
The greatest infield arm in baseball
I can’t believe that teams let Matsui play the outfield
that was a nice job by Hughes and a great play by Cano.
I guess the Yankees have at least temporarily shut up some of the whining babies on here.
that was also a nice stretch by Posada.
GB-
I’d like to see Cano pitch in a Yankees blowout of an opposing team.
Cano is really showing off his talents today
that was an absolute rocket by Robby…
looks like tonight is Cano’s night
Time to not look back and claim your place as the game’s best pure hitter
6 hits in 1+ innings. I like.
He keeps flirting with it. We have not seen the best of Robinson Cano.
I do wish that Girardi or Long would speak to Robbie about running right after he hits the ball. He loses at least 2-3 steps because he’s too busy watching where the ball is going. Who cares where the ball is going, Robbie?? Just run!!!!
Yankees always kill Cahill………..
Could this be a Cano breakout game. I said this last night that Cano has been consistent, but hadn’t had that “game”.. maybe this it.
swisher!!!!
They need Hughes desperately to be good
DFA that boy!:)
boom!! Swishalicous
Go Swish!!! The bats came to play tonight…
CC is in the dugout wondering, where the hell was this yesterday?!!
Nicky says I LOVE NY
swish
Nicky!
I thought that was gone when Swisher hit it.
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
The greatest infield arm in baseball
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QFT
I can honestly say that I can relax a little. Feels like an eternity since a blow out developed.
Swishalicious!
Hip hip!
Jorgie goes opposite.
Cahill looked tough to hit the 1st inning-has lost his mojo+ nothing but a fastball tonight.
Swisher is the only guy in the majors who runs the bases after a HR with a big smile on his face. LOL!
Nunez doing what he’s always done: hit.
Swisher knows “cool” isn’t.
Laura – I Bleed Blue says:
July 22, 2011 at 8:11 pm
I do wish that Girardi or Long would speak to Robbie about running right after he hits the ball. He loses at least 2-3 steps because he’s too busy watching where the ball is going. Who cares where the ball is going, Robbie?? Just run!!!!
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That’s what I keep saying. jeter does it also. Mostly on potential infield hits
Posada with two really good at bats tonight.
I was at the game last night, Shields was just really, really good.
He kept changing speeds and had great command plus the Yankees were probably a little tired after 8 consecutive days on artificial surfaces.
They still could have pulled it out, the ball hit by Swish in the 8th was probably 1/8″ off on the bat from being out of the Trop.
kaboom!
I wonder if the Hughes haters will give Cahill a pass
Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
that was also a nice stretch by Posada.
GB-
I’d like to see Cano pitch in a Yankees blowout of an opposing team.
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Bring him in and let him the that side arm blazer against Youkilis. Youkilis will go crying to Pete a.
As good as Cahill has been since coming up, he has never figured out how to pitch to the Yankees.
bases loaded with no outs…
`Cervelli with two hits!, keep some of them for tomorrow
Let’s get a couple more runs and then give Laird a chance to get into the game and get his feet wet.
ok, win tomorrow and win the series
Trenton in a 1-1 game with Banuelos thru 3:
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Banuelos 3.0 4 1 1 2 2 0 3.62
Gardner that hurts!
Kangaroo Court appearance for Gardner.
Poor Suzuki
ouch. that did not look pretty
NYY fan in NH July 22nd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Hopefully Hughes doesn’t feel the pressure to pitch a perfect game with this anemic offense behind him.
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nice call.
Jeter should get Minka to massage it for him
Don’t like the long wait for Hughes. I want him to go 7 or 8.
wow
guess OAK doesn’t like hot weather
It’s getting ugly pretty fast for the A’s
Tex HR here would be great
LOL, call it.
TEX!!!!
damn Texeria (i was hoping you would take advantage of this pitching) nice
Tex Message!
(Of course, someone will complain that these were garbage runs)
I hope they save some for tomorrow
oops a grand slam!
this is the kind of game that gets good hitters on a role…
GB….I’m guessing it’s safe to come here now that The Bombers are smacking around the A’s…..That being said I think several of the Yankee cannibals are still lurking in the shadows and will come about if Hughes has a miss step….
It’s officially a blow out! Pressure’s off Hughes, although he has been sitting too long.
sheesh its only the 3rd inning…how long as Hughes been sitting for??
That was a beautifully level swing for teixeira,
That complaint would be stupid. Tex needs to get going and in this weather, with that kind of lead, Hughes can expand the zone and get the players off the field more quickly.
Over or Under
Yankees get 20 runs tonight.
That swing was good for Tex.
Tex Message!
(Of course, someone will complain that these were garbage runs)
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The same garbage runs that people complained about when Alex hit 48 HR is 2005 and 54 in 2007..
Pat M, you missed a couple of LoHud classic whines tonight, including Jorgie being called done after he drove Crisp to the fence in left center in the 2nd inning…
teixeira so clutch…with an 8 run lead. worth every penny on that $180M contract. should definitely take a curtain call
I am at a loss for words tonight. This display of offense tonight came out of nowhere. Love it!
Nice AB Swish.
since the goal of a baseball team is to win the ballgame, Hughes can sit for an hour for all I care, let them score 20…
Nick Swisher 2-2 this is inning….
sidenote: Kay, a piercing in the neck is not called an earring…just for the record
This is just what our guys need: extra PAs to get back into the swing.
Now they can give some of the guys a rest like Granderson and Cano. Give Laird some at bats…..
Has Tex hit cleanup before with Cano in the lineup??
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
GB….I’m guessing it’s safe to come here now that The Bombers are smacking around the A’s…..That being said I think several of the Yankee cannibals are still lurking in the shadows and will come about if Hughes has a miss step….
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Yep. Much will be said about the start he had. Let him put up 3 more shutdown innings and call it a day. Bring in Laird and Garrison to get their name into the record books.
Nunez is only 8 rbi’s behind Jeter in almost half the at bats. I do like his bat.
If the score holds late, this would be a nice game to let Laird play in. Have him play 3rd and move Nunez to SS.
Well, there it is…Hughes is falling apart with a big lead
would like to see him put the hitter away with 94mph high fastball
It’s a good thing Hughes has 10 runs to work with
why would that not be a double and E7
Someone in the bullpen will be getting up soon. Hughes sat for a long time and he his location is awful.
This is the same stuff he had in the second half of last season. If he’s not injured, what the heck is wrong with him?
# Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2011 at 8:43 pm
It’s a good thing Hughes has 10 runs to work with
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not sure its enuff…5 runs gainst the A’s? wtf…
Hughes caught some Cahillitis inbetween innings.
Not a good outing today from Hughes today. Let’s see if he can get through 5. C’mon Philly
Ok enough of this do not even give him the chance for the win he does not deserve this win
This would have been a different inning had there not been a long wait
Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Someone in the bullpen will be getting up soon. Hughes sat for a long time and he his location is awful.
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Hughes did not have location before the long inning. He just sucks.
They should bring up Nova. Oh, wait…
He’s got movement on those 91 mph pitches. With good command, he can pitch very well. But he’d been so much better if he found those missing 2-3 mph.
Face it, Hughes collapsed tonight. Don’t know what this means going forward, but he’s not the ballyhooed rookie phenom on a few years ago. I root for the guy, but he’s not consistent and velocity and location not good.
I change the channel for one sec and hughes gives up 3 runs….come on!!!!!!!!!
Pretty sure it’s the heat that’s causing these pitches to not be themselves
Pat, remember a game around the late 90s when NYYs played Oakland NY had a huge lead of something like 13-3 and Oakland took a 15-13 lead an NYYs won on a walkoff at 17-15. Oddest game I’ve ever seen NY play.
Okay, there’s an out.
He’s gotta salvage something from this. Cannot go from a really encouraging outing to getting pulled before five innings.
Pat M
You were saying????….lol
He’s let 10 guys on base in less than 4 innings so far. Not good against and A’s team.
The heat could be a factor, and if Hughes pitches very well in his next outing, this one can be overlooked. But he’s just not pitching well, outside of the 3rd inning.
Just got in. Curveball looks good. Fastball doesn’t look awful, he’s just not spotting it.
If there is a positive to be drawn from this, the new curveball is working again. His location with his other stuff is really inconsistent.
Hughes is awful tonight
In this heat, it can’t be easy to cool down and thn sit for 25-30 minutes for two innings in a row. No excuses, because he has to pitch through it, but, still. Heating up and pitching and then sitting with a fan on him…I’ll wait until his next 3 starts to declare him one way or the other.
I know it’s hot and Phil’s hand is probably very sweaty so you have to cut him some slack but this is a very dissapointing start. This is one of the worst offenses that he will face this year and his stuff just isn’t good enough. I don’t know what happened but he has average stuff at best and none of them are above average. Unless all of his pitches get better he won’t be anything better than a back of the rotation guy.
Pitchers
The heat could be a factor, and if Hughes pitches very well in his next outing, this one can be overlooked
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That’s true, with his next outing against the worst hitting team by BA, the Mariners the 27th
Let Hughes go for the win. Even if he gives up a run next inning.
Didn’t Nick in SF mention Fautino De Los Santos before?
Hughes getting strikeouts on a good breaking curve. He’s not able tonight to get the high strikeout. Location off and fastball at 90-91.
I don’t think anyone here would say this is a good outing, that Phil’s stuff has been better than his results, or that this isn’t discouraging. It’s just the people saying ‘Hughes sucks’ as if that’s the end of the argument that are annoying some of the posters here.
Phil needs a great outing against the Mariners, but I’m not giving up on him, and neither are the Yankees.
Montero is 0-3 with a line drive to the dead center field fence and a fly to the right field fence.
Paul is great.
Chavez is playing 3rd. 1-3 with a double. just 2 grounder hit to him, 3rd to 1st
That’s a golden sombrero for gardner
Banuelos has not had a good outing. Losing 4-1 thru 5:
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Banuelos 5.0 6 4 3 4 3 0 3.74
Chris W July 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
I don’t think anyone here would say this is a good outing, that Phil’s stuff has been better than his results, or that this isn’t discouraging. It’s just the people saying ‘Hughes sucks’ as if that’s the end of the argument that are annoying some of the posters here.
Phil needs a great outing against the Mariners, but I’m not giving up on him, and neither are the Yankees.
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Be annoyed. I’m annoyed by at least 100 posts here every day.
Hughes does suck tonight. If you want to try to argue against that, feel free.
Banuelos having a rough night. 5 innings, 6 hits, 4 runs, 3 earned, 4 walks, 3 strikeouts.
Nice AB.
Banuelos blister reopened last game; hopefully, that isn’t a problem going forward.
This guy throws gas
from MLBTR’s
The Tigers and Dodgers have had dialogue about a deal that would send Hiroki Kuroda to Detroit, sources tell Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. However, other teams remain involved and a trade is not yet close.
He’d be a good pickup for a team that can score him some runs. Run support from Dodgers < 3runs/game
Just took a look to see what kind of work Heyman does.
He’s not timely with the postgame stuff, but jeez he blows Chad away.
Either Chad is truly doing his writing during the game like he says, or he does a lot of yakking with the other writers.
*blows Chad away with the in game updates.
jacksquat – exactly
Nothing good can be said about his performance or stuff tonight.
“Hughes does suck tonight.”
I’m not sure anyone is arguing against that. But some of us aren’t willing to give up on a player because they struggle a bit. Are we just going to accept that his success against Toronto was a complete aberration? That’s idiotic.
The other thing is that really, I’m not convinced that Nova would be that much better over the next 5-7 starts. He’s been pretty damn inconsistent as well, and it does no damage to his development to have him pitch in AAA.
another failure to put a guy away 0-2. That to me is Phils biggest failure so far as a pitcher. If he could finish guys off he’d have totally different results.
Friggin’ grounders through holes.
Hughes must be so frustrating for Rothschild and Girardi to watch. He always gets to 0-2 and can never put a guy away. That tells you that his stuff just isn’t good enough to get by major leaguers. I would give him one batter and if not take him out.
Seeing eye groundballs
Take him out. Not deserving of the win. Heck with trying to build his confidence. Girardi will just say in the postgame it was the heat.
Nice curve
Hughes is throwing a lot of strikes, but, it’s the quality that’s lacking tonight.
To be fair Nova was improving as his gained more experience.
Get Noesi in there before his arm falls off.
“That tells you that his stuff just isn’t good enough to get by major leaguers. I would give him one batter and if not take him out.”
It’s not necessarily about stuff. It’s about repeating his delivery and nailing the targets. He’s not giving up 0-2 hits on good pitches – they are usually getting too much of the plate.
He has more life on his fastball than he did in his first three starts, when it was straight as an arrow *and* under 90 mph. He needs to locate consistently.
For a guy touted with such good stuff, he sure has a problem putting hitters away, even crap ones like Oakland has.
One step forward, two steps back…
Take Hughes out…Enough is enough already…
I expect a better outing next time.
poor Phil
Maybe this will get him chapped and fix the concentration by losing the win.
This is beyond frustrating.
hughes deserved to be pulled. horrible performance.
he cannot close out hitters. horrible.
so the a’s 9th hitter pennington is 2 for 2 with a homer and BB.
nice effort by phil…
Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Hughes must be so frustrating for Rothschild and Girardi to watch. He always gets to 0-2 and can never put a guy away. That tells you that his stuff just isn’t good enough to get by major leaguers. I would give him one batter and if not take him out.
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You’re not known for your quality of posts, but, even for you, this is pretty stupid.
Should have left Phil in!
Way to make things worse, Noesi.
For those using the heat as an excuse… check out how the pitchers did in Philadelphia, Baltimore, or Boston tonight (all cities that are under the same heat warning as NYC). All 6 of the starters in those games (Felix, Santana, Hamels, Lackey, LeBuke,Simon) have given up 3 runs or less.
Enough with the excuses for this guy…
This would be really pathetic if they blow this game
7 runs for Phil. Ouch.
stuart a….are you the same putz that was here last season who would only surface from the shadows at the slightest Yankee downturn ????/
Cahill didn’t fare so well in this heat…
I am 100% sure they will win tonight
Hughes stuff is fine, his command was just off today. He’ll be ok.
Should have let Hughes finish the inning.
Hughes had a bad game. It happens. He’s trying to come back from his injury. It’s hot. He’ll bounce back in his next start. He pitched well in his last game.
Hughes is terrible
Boy do the Yankees know how to ruin pitching prospects
I never thought the yankees could ever score 14 runs and me still be worried we will win this game.This is past insane
“he cannot close out hitters. horrible.”
What people like you cannot seem to grasp is that this fact is true *TONIGHT*. It was very much not true in his last outing. Nor the beginning of last year.
Yankees fans are really just terrible sometimes – somebody had a bad stretch, and suddenly it goes from a matter of confidence and execution to blanket uninformed statements on ability.
Should have let Hughes finish the inning.
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why?
Chris W July 22nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
“Hughes does suck tonight.”
I’m not sure anyone is arguing against that. But some of us aren’t willing to give up on a player because they struggle a bit. Are we just going to accept that his success against Toronto was a complete aberration? That’s idiotic.
The other thing is that really, I’m not convinced that Nova would be that much better over the next 5-7 starts. He’s been pretty damn inconsistent as well, and it does no damage to his development to have him pitch in AAA.
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I wouldn’t say Hughes will never pitch well. But, Nova had better stuff than this. This year, Nova performed, Hughes did not, but Hughes took his spot when he was “healthy” again. And now Nova got injured in AAA and Hughes is pitching like this. It irks me…
Chris just look at his pitches it is not even location they are nothing special.without 94-96 he has nothing special.
If it was 7-0, would you be worried?
i change the channel and two more runs…….
Felix got tagged for 4 runs off 11 hits and 4 walks in 6.1 IP against the Red Sox.
12 run lead after 3 innings and can’t even get a win.
You have to suck pretty badly for that to happen.
Hey Cashman, still think you won’t find anyone better than Hughes on the market?
yikes that was not even close.
Nova (who’s probably still hobbled so it’s a moot point right now) is the better pitcher than Hughes at this point. I’ve always been a big Hughes fan and will still be, but he’s not in the Yankees 5 best options at this point. He still doesn’t look totally there. This A’s offense is putrid and he couldn’t get through 5 with a 12 run lead. That’s just not acceptable at this point.
pat m who the hell are you? mind your own biz. do not like my posts don’t comment or read them..
hughes sucked, the excuses are getting old already he is 25…
he needs to produce
If it was 7-0, would you be worried?
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that’s not the same.
0 means they aren’t scoring
7 means they are capable of scoring.
little kid tantrum from Crisp…
that was actually a really good defensive play by nunez. maybe he’s getting used to 3rd
Oops. Make that 6 runs/4 walks off 11 hits in 6.1 IP.
“Chris just look at his pitches it is not even location they are nothing special.without 94-96 he has nothing special.”
I *am* looking at his pitches, which I’m pretty sure you *aren’t* doing. I’m seeing lots of on the 4-seam fastball and good cutting action on the cut fastball. I’m seeing a tighter curveball than we’ve seen in quite a while from Phil. I’m seeing velocity better than earlier in the year but no better than after the All-Star break last year. And I’m seeing a lot of pitches drifting into the middle of the plate deep in the counts.
What are you seeing, numbskull? People hitting the ball? That tells you very little about the nature of Phil’s struggles.
Fortunately, scouts and managers are a bit more sophisticated than X ‘sucks’ when evaluating their players.
*lots of movement
Girardi screwed Hughes out of a win. At least he let him throw more than 80 pitches this time
Felix got tagged for 4 runs off 11 hits and 4 walks in 6.1 IP against the Red Sox.
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The Red Sox offense must be slipping with only 4 runs and all those men on base. LOL
“Nova (who’s probably still hobbled so it’s a moot point right now) is the better pitcher than Hughes at this point. I’ve always been a big Hughes fan and will still be, but he’s not in the Yankees 5 best options at this point. He still doesn’t look totally there. This A’s offense is putrid and he couldn’t get through 5 with a 12 run lead. That’s just not acceptable at this point.”
Agree. He is the weak link right now.
stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
pat m who the hell are you? mind your own biz. do not like my posts don’t comment or read them..
hughes sucked, the excuses are getting old already he is 25…
he needs to produce
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Alright, I agree he didn’t pitch well tonight but already 25? That’s still very young. Buchholz was only a rookie when he was 25. That’s still young for a pitcher. If he’s 28-29 right now then he’d be in trouble. He’s still got plenty of life in his baseball career.
Ahead by a touchdown.
Good night all.
YT,
The Sox are still hitting in the bottom of the 7th.
Time to go out and get Kuroda.
Hughes has NO guts at all. Get Nova up here. And I don’t want to hear anything about the heat. I’m sitting here toughing it out and don’t get paid millions.
Tyler-
Don’t waste your breath…Stuart needs anger management.
LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Time to go out and get Kuroda.
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Why would you get Kuroda when you can call up Nova?
You take the good with the bad in this game. Offense woke up but haven’t tacked on since. Hughes was terrible and I just don’t know to expect going forward. 9 hits and 7 runs speak for itself.
“Agree. He is the weak link right now.”
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather see Hughes build strength and confidence at the MLB level and be ready for the playoffs then count on Freddy Garcia to continue fooling people with slop.
He’ll struggle a bit in the process, but as long as there are more good starts than bad I think you have to stick with him. You can’t give up on a guy like this that easily. Not at 25.
It’s different with someone like Wang, who was both older and also had a shoulder injury.
why is it everytime a pitcher struggles, someone here says they have no guts?
what do you know about his guts?
he sucked today, but that means nothing about his guts.
“Girardi screwed Hughes out of a win. At least he let him throw more than 80 pitches this time”
The guy gave up 14 baserunners in 4.1 innings and was imploding against an inept offensive team with a 12 run lead.
The last thing he deserved was a win.
If you go by only results Nova should be the 5th starter. His pitches are much better at this point and more developed. Hughes has a lot to work on to get to the next level. 2 average pitches isn’t going to get the job done. Hughes is still young and hopefully his stuff gets better the more he pitches.
Why would you get Kuroda when you can call up Nova?
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Because Kuroda is way better.
“Girardi screwed Hughes out of a win. At least he let him throw more than 80 pitches this time”
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WHAT!?!
Hughes screwed Hughes out of a win, by being unable to pitch with 14 runs…
“His pitches are much better at this point and more developed. ”
I’m not sure I agree. Nova has more velocity, yes, and a nearly passable change-up. But his fastball is pretty straight, and his curve is not really a strikeout pitch.
Hernandez, a CY winner, 6 innings, 11 hits, 6 earned runs, 4 walks, 2 strikeouts. Jesus, he must suck.
If you think it doesn’t happen to all teams, San Diego has worse hitting than Oakland has had games of 14 runs and 11 runs off of the San Francisco and Florida staffs in the last week.
Hey ac1: If he had any guts or BALLS, he gets through 5. They gave this STIFF a TWELVE run lead!!
LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Why would you get Kuroda when you can call up Nova?
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Because Kuroda is way better.
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Nova pitched to about a 4 ERA in the AL East and has shown improvement. I don’t think Kuroda is going to be that much better in this league based on what you will have to give up to get him but that’s just my opinion.
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Hernandez, a CY winner, 6 innings, 11 hits, 6 earned runs, 4 walks, 2 strikeouts. Jesus, he must suck.
If you think it doesn’t happen to all teams, San Diego has worse hitting than Oakland has had games of 14 runs and 11 runs off of the San Francisco and Florida staffs in the last week.
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So you’re San Fran might be trading Cain or Lincecum?
you’re saying*
“I don’t know about you, but I’d rather see Hughes build strength and confidence at the MLB level and be ready for the playoffs then count on Freddy Garcia to continue fooling people with slop.”
But if he doesn’t bring his good stuff to the mound most nights, then what is the point? Garcia has given up 3 runs or less in all but 4 of his starts this season. We need results now, not projection based on his 2006 scouting reports.
I’d rather see what Nova has then send this guy to the mound every 5th day. At least Nova was consistent. He might not have the upside of Hughes, but he gives you a chance to win every game.
the question we have now is how many extra years and millions will cashman add to cc’s contract?
Kuroda will not leave the west coast…..
On a new topic..I attended Monday s Rays game and sat atop the dugout. When AJ got pulled I was giving him a hard time. NO CURSING NO DRINKING. He had a full blown meltdown and invited me on the field to fight him. This goes to show the mental toughness of some of these high paid stars. I am guessing Phil is not much better off in the braisn dept. Do you all realize how long AJ is signed for at 16 million plus. What a wasted of money. Look at the Rays and see how far a little can go. By the way Yankee fan since 1958
Kuroda will not leave the west coast…..
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Matt Garza…..
got get him…….
“But if he doesn’t bring his good stuff to the mound most nights, then what is the point? Garcia has given up 3 runs or less in all but 4 of his starts this season. We need results now, not projection based on his 2006 scouting reports.”
If that is indeed the case, then at that point, you pull him from the rotation, because he isn’t helping you.
But you need more than three starts – one mediocre, one good, and one bad – to make that judgment. We saw him pitch well against a good team and get battered by a bad team.
You have to figure out if Hughes is salvageable. There’s been too much put into him to just abandon him, like most of the clowns here want to do.
why is tex dh’ing again??
Nova pitched to about a 4 ERA in the AL East and has shown improvement. I don’t think Kuroda is going to be that much better in this league based on what you will have to give up to get him but that’s just my opinion
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Kuroda can miss bats and give you length.
mykyl1 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
On a new topic..I attended Monday s Rays game and sat atop the dugout. When AJ got pulled I was giving him a hard time. NO CURSING NO DRINKING. He had a full blown meltdown and invited me on the field to fight him. This goes to show the mental toughness of some of these high paid stars. I am guessing Phil is not much better off in the braisn dept. Do you all realize how long AJ is signed for at 16 million plus. What a wasted of money. Look at the Rays and see how far a little can go. By the way Yankee fan since 1958
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hahahahahah that was you?? i saw that one t.v. That’s awesome.
Look at the Rays and see how far a little can go. By the way Yankee fan since 1958
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Helps to draft first for 10 years in a row.
An error on Jeter? lol
Even Giambi would make that play at 1st base
LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Nova pitched to about a 4 ERA in the AL East and has shown improvement. I don’t think Kuroda is going to be that much better in this league based on what you will have to give up to get him but that’s just my opinion
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Kuroda can miss bats and give you length.
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i guess he won’t leave the west coast… seems like a moot point but I would have dealt for him to for the right price.
Kuroda will not leave the west coast…..
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Possibly, but not definite if the Dodgers are having conversations with east coast teams.
That was me. It was crazy. He is a full blown nut Security came and appologized to me. Every fan swore I was not doing anything that was out of line.
DeJesus always seems to bring his bat against the Yanks
That was me. It was crazy. He is a full blown nut Security came and appologized to me. Every fan swore I was not doing anything that was out of line.
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the man already lost a fight last year, he doesn’t want to lose two…
They are going to end up playing a 4.5 hour game in this weather and have to come back less then 12 hours later to another heat wave tomorrow. Sucks for them.
And I hope Hughes can hold the mighty Mariners in check in his next start.
Chris W July 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
“Agree. He is the weak link right now.”
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather see Hughes build strength and confidence at the MLB level and be ready for the playoffs then count on Freddy Garcia to continue fooling people with slop.
He’ll struggle a bit in the process, but as long as there are more good starts than bad I think you have to stick with him. You can’t give up on a guy like this that easily. Not at 25.
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I agree. That’s what I’ve bee saying all along. Just let him continue to pitch.
Yank1 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
“Girardi screwed Hughes out of a win. At least he let him throw more than 80 pitches this time”
The guy gave up 14 baserunners in 4.1 innings and was imploding against an inept offensive team with a 12 run lead.
The last thing he deserved was a win.
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A win is a win
Mykyl – pardon me for being somewhat skeptical because I did see the game and they did show that confrontation on YES. That said, if ur being serious and it was really you, I would love to hear the back and forth that took place.
7-4 Sox now. Mini comeback by the M’s
seattle has 4 now…
Hughes back to DL.
Nova back to rotation.
does Boston ever get shut down by an elite pitcher?
The heck with the DL for Hughes. He needs to go back to the minors and earn his way back now. He has been beyond ridiculous this year and for the majority of the post all star break 2010 season.
Hughes isn’t hurt so he’s not going to the DL. The Yanks are going to give him a chance to settle in and see if his stuff is there. You can’t DL players with bogus injuries.
Mykyl, you’re just a f****** m
… moron.
Carlo
Its ok to be skepital. I was on him for all 5 innings. I said things like you would pitch better in the dark, that the tatoo parlors would be open because he would get the hook early, gave him crap for not covering 3rd ona hit.. When he got the hook I told him his pitching was an embaresment to the Yankkes and he flipped. It is on my facebook page and you can search for michael Schwartz in Orlando and see it posted.
Nova wouldn’t had done any better tonight.
“You take the good with the bad in this game. Offense woke up but haven’t tacked on since. ”
Are you serious? 14 runs not enough for you? Some people are impossible to satisfy.
Triple,
Nope. CC has given up 6+ runs to them twice. Weaver/Haren were mediocre against them. Gallardo sucked. Shields sucked. Price sucked. Romero always sucks against them. Oakland pitchers suck against them too. CJ Wilson sucked.
Lee and Verlander seemed to be the only top pitchers to pitch very well against them this year.
Aldothe what ever the F**K your name is you are why I stay away from this place. Are you AJs lover?
Amazing. Crazy how fragile he is.
i like hughes, but i think the yankees need to stop giving him a free pass like they have every step of the way. send him back to triple a and have him earn a spot in the rotation. treat him unfairly even.
let him understand that everything isn’t given to him because he’s the chosen one.
if i were the yankees , i would have never taken nova’s spot away in the first place. nova earned it the old fashioned way by pitching for his job numerous times and he came through.
let hughes do the same thing.
mykyl1 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Carlo
Its ok to be skepital. I was on him for all 5 innings. I said things like you would pitch better in the dark, that the tatoo parlors would be open because he would get the hook early, gave him crap for not covering 3rd ona hit.. When he got the hook I told him his pitching was an embaresment to the Yankkes and he flipped. It is on my facebook page and you can search for michael Schwartz in Orlando and see it posted.
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AJ should have kept his cool but that stuff is pretty low and childish especially from a Yankees fan. Give the guy some encouragement, don’t blast him.
does Boston ever get shut down by an elite pitcher?
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They haven’t faced much good pitching lately with so many games with the Orioles, but they got shut down by Lee when they faced Philly.
Shields was bad last time vs Boston but before that he pitched a CG shutout vs them.
“He’ll struggle a bit in the process, but as long as there are more good starts than bad I think you have to stick with him. You can’t give up on a guy like this that easily. Not at 25.”
At this point, he is not good enough to where Cashman passes on upgrading the rotation because of his development.
I know Cashman wants a gold star from the baseball community for finally developing a homegrown starter, but he’s gotta stop trying to stuff this guy down our throats at some point, no?
Until this guy consistently brings swing and miss stuff to the mound, he is going to be up and down like this. He won 18 games on the heels of 9+ runs per game last year. Give me Nova. At least you know what you will get from him, even if he doesn’t have great upside.
Ask yourself this. How is AJ going to handle game 7 of the ALSC in the Boston bullpen warming up. Remember what they did to David Wells. He is so weak menatlly it is amazing how an employer can commit 80 million to someone and know nothing about them. Just a bad signing becaus ehe will never handle the pressure of New York. He is a .500 pitcher with a 4.00 era so far. Money well spent . Dont you think.
randy l. July 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I few days ago i was arguing the same thing with another poster, that he should work on his pitches in the minors, that a pennant race wasn’t the best place to do it and as of right now Nova was the better pitcher, even though Hughes has more upside
TYler. He was the worst pitcher in YAnkee history last year. He has not earned anything. It was all in good fun and not about his family of vulgar. He needs to be way way tougher.
Pennington would make a decent infield pickup on the cheap for somebody. Nothing special butm he offers a little power, a little speed, plays a decent middle infield and fill in at third.
randy l. July 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
i like hughes, but i think the yankees need to stop giving him a free pass like they have every step of the way. send him back to triple a and have him earn a spot in the rotation. treat him unfairly even.
let him understand that everything isn’t given to him because he’s the chosen one.
if i were the yankees , i would have never taken nova’s spot away in the first place. nova earned it the old fashioned way by pitching for his job numerous times and he came through.
let hughes do the same thing.
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Said it better than I did – great post.
If not Nova, at least acquire someone.
Brandon Laird!!!!
Laird first try
mykyl1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
TYler. He was the worst pitcher in YAnkee history last year. He has not earned anything. It was all in good fun and not about his family of vulgar. He needs to be way way tougher.
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I hear what you’re saying but he wasn’t the worst pitcher in Yankee history last year. He had the worst month in yankee history though.
welcome to the bigs
This guy doesn’t know where the ball is going
They need to get this guy out of here before someone dies.
Tin Cup……He should never have been brought up until he proved he was ready……..GB, your dude has arrived
Mykyl – I won’t defend AJ for his meltdowns but what I will say is that it can be argued that he won the most critical game this franchise has played in over the past 5+ years in game 2 of the 09 world series. I will also say that the knock on him when he was signed was injury risk. So far in year 3 of this deal, he’s made nearly every start.
Other than Sabathia Yankee pitchers haven’t been a model of consistency.
I still say dangle Montero to the Cubs for Garza.
Yankees need one more solid starter to compete in the playoffs; Sabathia, and crossed fingers ain’t enough.
mykyl1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Ask yourself this. How is AJ going to handle game 7 of the ALSC
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Maybe the same way he handled Game 2 of the 2009 WS, which was probably the most “must win” game of the series since they were down 0-1 and didn’t want to head to philly down 0-2. Going against Pedro, who owned the Yankees. Not too shabby for a mentally weak person who never gets it down.
Jeez… our pitchers have given us a chance to win in just about every game. So much hate for pitchers on any given night.
I’d love to have King Felix on this team. But it’s not happening. And he just gave up 6 runs to the redsox. Let’s face it, their offense is tough.
I hope Devine doesn’t hurt anyone
Phil can’t stay in the rotation after this…….what an absolute debacle
Apparently that was Laird’s first walk since June 25th.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Other than Sabathia Yankee pitchers haven’t been a model of consistency.
I still say dangle Montero to the Cubs for Garza.
Yankees need one more solid starter to compete in the playoffs; Sabathia, and crossed fingers ain’t enough.
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There is no way in this world I’d do Montero for Garza. Montero for a guy like Halladay? Yes. Montero for a guy like Garza? Not in a million years.
Pepitone # 25…….How are you ???? Unless someone falls into Cashman’s comfort zone, he just might stick with what he has……He should bring up Ivan if Hughes doesn’t turn it around in his next 2 starts, by that time Nova should be ready….Soriano’s return to dominance is a major key come October
Hughes is too AAAA to sit down in the minors. He’d look great no matter what. Minor leaguers swung at his curve even if it wasn’t good. He could probably throw up a 2-3 ERA over 5 starts in the minors and then when he comes up still struggle. He needs to work on putting away major league hitters.
I still say dangle Montero to the Cubs for Garza.
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Garza is like AJ Burnett… really similar players. I wouldn’t give up anything big for Garza.
Mykyl, the more you post , the stupider you look.
Keep it up, good job!
F****** idiot.
LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Apparently that was Laird’s first walk since June 25th.
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Haha, I don’t think he had a choice in that at bat. Devine was walking him no matter what.
Pat, I think Laird’s life must have flashed before his eyes on that first pitch. He should get one more trip to the plate. I’m sure that all he wants is a single and get the first hit out of the way. Maybe Garrison gets his first ML game tonight.
Lockdown. I am very well aware of game 2. Beside that??????????????? .500 pitcher era over 4.00. Worth 80 million. Me thinks not
I’d rather go after Nolasco from the Marlins if that were ever possible.
Wow what a play and what a linedrive by cano, surprised ziegler’s arm is still attached
If Hughes struggles against the Mariners that is really a concern. Their offense is just as awful as the A’s.
I thought the Yankees made the right move with Phil – no doubts about that – but at this point, I just don’t think they are going to get anything out of him. Maybe some good starts here and there, but overall basically too up and down. While I think people are going way too gaga over Nova for half a season of good, not great, pitching, at least you kind of knew what you were going to get from him.
Igotid, take it easy – the Yankees didn’t screw Hughes out of a win. The guy has a huge lead and he couldn’t deal with it.
I can’t believe Laird is wearing long sleeves
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Pat, I think Laird’s life must have flashed before his eyes on that first pitch. He should get one more trip to the plate. I’m sure that all he wants is a single and get the first hit out of the way. Maybe Garrison gets his first ML game tonight.
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I’m not quite sure if it was because of Laird, but the crowd was pretty into his at bat. It was a pretty cool moment.
mykyl1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Lockdown. I am very well aware of game 2. Beside that??????????????? .500 pitcher era over 4.00. Worth 80 million. Me thinks not
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I think he’s overpaid, but so are a lot of players. But to act like he’s never won a big game is ludicrous. You obviously needed a reminder.
Jerkface, the major leagues is no place to try and work out issues. The Yankees have to win games. I really thought that Phil could at least be reliable – I didn’t think he was going to be dominant at all – but to me, it appears he’s just going to be completely up and down.
Mykyl – the argument against ur $80 mm worth it questions is as follows:
1 – major contributer to world series title team
2 – makes starts every 5 days
3 – has the ability to be great on any given day
One can say the world series contribution alone is worth the contract.
It was great to see Laird.
Laird doesn’t walk a lot, but, neither does he strike out a lot. he also has a knack for producing runs, even in slumps.
“If Hughes struggles against the Mariners that is really a concern. Their offense is just as awful as the A’s.”
Even if he does good against them, what does that really tell us? He is just too inconsistent to rely upon. He can’t put ML hitters away with any regularity and his stuff fluctuates too much.
He needs to put together a 4-5 start stretch in a row where he is consistent, not just results-wise, but stuff-wise and execution-wise before we can even begin to think he is on the right track. Though if I’m Cashman, I’m still shopping hard, knowing I can’t count on Hughes.
Haha, I don’t think he had a choice in that at bat. Devine was walking him no matter what.
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lol. I don’t think that is what Laird expected in his first major league at bat.
Hughes threw 59 four seam fastballs and had zero swinging strikes.
Jerkface, the major leagues is no place to try and work out issues. I really thought that Phil could at least be reliable – I didn’t think he was going to be dominant at all – but to me, it appears he’s just going to be completely up and down.
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Uh he has had 1 bad start. Any player can have a bad start. How is that unreliable? If he simply gave up 2 ER or less every start he’d be the best pitcher in baseball. I don’t think having him go to the minors will help anything because it has already been established that even as currently constituted, Hughes will completely destroy the minor leagues. He has NEVER struggled in the minors, EVER. He so outclasses minor league competition that it is a waste of time to even send him down there. His curve doesn’t show its faults to minor league players, guys get beat by his fastball, and ate up by his cutter. The most you could do is just force him to throw 25% change ups but that doesn’t guarantee anything because like his curve it might get out minor leaguers but he will still need to adjust to the majors.
He hasn’t been up and down since coming off the DL, he was up up and then down. Let him get some more starts under his belt.
besides granderson and cc, noesi has to be considered one of the yankee mvps this year….
Noesi has been very good tonight. Ate up a ton of innings here. Bullpen will be fresh tomorrow.
Good news is his curve was once again his best pitch, but he still needs to get it faster.
Um, Jerkface, he’s had a whole 2nd half of bad starts, the comeback -which should have been worse and now this. That’s sufficient to say he’s not reliable…..Um, ok? Let’s just agree to disagree and drop the topic.
59 4 seamers and no swings and misses? His stuff is almost gone – forget velocity at this point
Face……Hughes has had location issues since he came off the DL…..
Noesi is coming up big for us tonight.
Noesi? He’s been a nice addition, but, MVP consideration on the team? You need to share that crack. Try Robertson. Of course, considering your posts, nobody takes to very seriously.
I was fine with giving him more starts – in fact, I really thought that was the only way to go, but come on – a 14-2 lead and he can’t even pitch long enough to get the win? I get that he’s too good for AAA, but these games up here count – I’d rather see him work on whatever he has to work on in AAA rather than seeing him get tatooed by a bad A’s offense.
If the Yankees ever did decide to make a change in the rotation, I’d rather see Noesi than Nova.
I have to chime in on the AJ debate. You dont pay someone 80 million to win one game in the world series and be a .500 pitcher. Hes been a disaster and I cant wait til he’s out of NY. You might as well throw a coin and guess whether hes gonna pitch good or not. Thats not a good thing in a pitcher. Im tired of his nonsense.
Hughes has had location issues since he came off the DL…..
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So let him work it out. Betsy, Hughes gave up 2 runs in both his starts off the DL. How is that a bad start? It was his first start OFF THE DL.
His stuff is almost gone? LMAO. No wonder they booted you off that site.
Either Cervelli or Gardner have to get on to get Laird one more AB.
Jerkface, please – he was lucky against Cleveland. You conveniently forget the 2nd half of last year and for 2/3 starts in the playoffs when he was brutal.
How much rope are you going to give him? He’s got average stuff (at best it’s good) and no secondary pitches – and you have repeatedly said that he has a bad curve. What do you want the Yankees to do with him? No swings and misses – none, nada. There’s something wrong ………….you don’t think so?
lgy….With less than 70 games to go you perfer the unknown factor with a postseason spot on the line….I don’t think the Owner’s want to gamble away 10′s of millions of dollars on a whim
Well Betsy is still hasn’t renewed her prescription to the Phil Hughes fan club
Pat M,
Are you referring to Noesi as an unknown factor?
“Hughes threw 59 four seam fastballs and had zero swinging strikes.”
We seem to be reading these type of results a lot
Time to give Noesi a short
Noesi? He’s been a nice addition, but, MVP consideration on the team? You need to share that crack. Try Robertson. Of course, considering your posts, nobody takes to very seriously.
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Really? I said one of the MVPs. Yes Robertson has been great too but Noesi allows them to save the pen, so Robertson can pitch his role. Noesi has come in time after time and shut down what are often embarrassing games.
“nobody takes to very seriously”. Try spell check before you post your crap.
You conveniently forget the 2nd half of last year and for 2/3 starts in the playoffs when he was brutal.
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Conveniently forgot? I’ve already schooled you numerous times on how deceptively good Hughes was in the 2nd half last year. He pitched well more often than he pitched poorly, but his poor performances were bad enough to skew his ERA.
Pat M, why should I? I don’t want to get into an argument, but must every comment about a player be positive? Sometimes they deserve criticism – and there’s nothing wrong with it unless it crosses the line into personal insults.
Go Laird!!
Brandon Laird! Welcome to the Bigs!
Nice!, first hit, first rbi
70% of his starts he gave up 3 runs or less. You have a 70% chance to get a good outing from Hughes and he was pitching his first full big league season!
Laird: Only guy on the current roster hitting over .300?
What a great night for the youngster. Congrats. first walk, 1st run scored, 1st hit, first RBI in his 1st game
GB-
That”s the run producer you were talking about huh?
You didn’t school me on anything – you made ridiculous excuses about how the Jays are his nemesis and if you throw out those games, then he pitched better than his numbers looked. That’s a bunch of hooey and I don’t buy it for a moment. You want to do that? Take out out is first 6 starts then …………it’s only fair. Schooled, that’s a laugh.
Silent treatment coming for Laird…….
Way to go Laird.
kewl RBI for Laird
Anyway, whatever – no point in rehashing old disputes. Well, you can – but I’m not going to do that with you. I do hope you have a nice night.
You didn’t school me on anything – you made ridiculous excuses about how the Jays are his nemesis and if you throw out those games, then he pitched better than his numbers looked. That’s a bunch of hooey and I don’t buy it for a moment. You want to do that? Take out out is first 6 starts then …………it’s only fair. Schooled, that’s a laugh.
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More often than not he pitched well. Do you think he pitched to a 5 ERA in every game? He got whacked by the Jays a few times, but in all his other games he was keeping the team in the game. Why wouldn’t you like that? For a guy in his first full season starting! Yes, you were schooled. For every 3 good starts he had a bad one, he is a growing pitcher. Give him a break.
LGY…..As a starter is would be, at least in the bigs….I love his stuff though…..
the indians sent cliff lee to the minors in 2007 because he stunk after he’d been in the majors for a few years. why can’t the yankees do the same to hughes? he stinks!
noesi has been in 14 games and 33 innings. Not much for an “MVP”,
Noesi is really good…..I don’t really understand how they are using him though. He’s their 3rd best reliever and now he can’t pitch for a few days because he just threw 50+ pitches in a game with a big lead…..I understand that it was looking like the As were coming back but that was mostly because Hughes was so ineffective…..love Phil but I’m just not sure he’s quiet there yet and he may not get there this year…..
I wouldn’t deal Noesi unless the deal was really favorable….
and when Cliff Lee was demoted in 2007 he was more accomplished than Hughes and had won 18 games in 2005
Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
GB-
That”s the run producer you were talking about huh?
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He’s been overlooked since signing because he was just a 27th round pick and his team mates have always been Montero and Romine, among other bigger names, but, he’s always hit and hith power. Lots of doubles.
LGY….That meant to read as a starter Noesi would be an unknown factor…..Grilling and trying to do too many things…..GB, your boy notched hit # 1
Congrats to Laird on his first hit,….play him some Joe
LGY…..As a starter is would be, at least in the bigs….I love his stuff though…..
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As a starter, sure, there are no guarantees. But the guy has been in the big leagues and getting out big league hitters almost the entire season. And it’s not like Nova is some seasoned proven commodity.
I don’t think it is just going on a whim. It is about watching these two young pitchers, evaluating them, and trying to determine who is best equipped to succeed. IMO that is Noesi.
You are all about scouting guys and going with what you see. Watching Nova and Noesi this season, who do you feel more comfortable with on the mound?
ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Laird: Only guy on the current roster hitting over .300?
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Probably should be on the short list of Yankee MVPs
crazy game…think Noesi actually deserves the win, he pretty much shut it down when he was out there
LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
If the Yankees ever did decide to make a change in the rotation, I’d rather see Noesi than Nova.
Me too…nova has been fine but Noesi is better than him and throws more quality strikes.
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
the indians sent cliff lee to the minors in 2007 because he stunk after he’d been in the majors for a few years. why can’t the yankees do the same to hughes? he stinks!
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You make a good point about working out pitches in the minors. I don’t think Hughes stinks. Though he did stink tonight
He was good in his last game, but I think he’s trying to work on his curve. And I think he needs to work on his changeup as well. It’s best to sort that out in the minors or else this could be a rollarcoaster season’.
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
LGY….That meant to read as a starter Noesi would be an unknown factor…..Grilling and trying to do too many things…..GB, your boy notched hit # 1
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I hope he gets a couple of starts before going back to scranton. Chavez is supposed to be back by Tuesday.
Noesi gets a little flat with his breaking ball sometimes and hangs it….other than that he’s pretty polished. He throws a lot of 93-95 mph fastballs on the black
I think Noesi can be one of those prospects that exceeds expectations and projections in the big leagues.
I love the way he attacks the zone.
Hughes is still fresh out of spring training. 3 starts. One was ok, one good and one bad. Regardless of who’s scoring (well, except for one), 3 starts is not much to go on.
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
LGY….That meant to read as a starter Noesi would be an unknown factor…..Grilling and trying to do too many things…..GB, your boy notched hit # 1
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Your posting is a lot better while you’re grilling than when your pool is being cleaned.
With the exception of Hughes, everything else was close to perfect. Great job by the offense and Noesi.
And congratulations to Laird on his first big league appearance, walk, hit, and RBI.
Hopefully, the Yankees don’t forget their bats tomorrow.
I hope Hughes doesn’t survive the trade deadline.
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Hughes is still fresh out of spring training.
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not really. he went through a full ST and started the season with the club. he was garbage that whole time.
He was out for 3 months. he had to start over.
# Bret The Hitman July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
I hope Hughes doesn’t survive the trade deadline.
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He more than likely will.
Regarding Hughes’ innings for next year. He won’t pitch more than 100 I believe this year. Even if he has quality starts the rest of the way. Will they let him throw 200 innings or will he have throw 150-160?
Regarding Hughes’ innings for next year. He won’t pitch more than 100 I believe this year. Even if he has quality starts the rest of the way. Will they let him throw 200 innings or will he have throw 150-160?
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He will be above 25 and has pitched 170 in the past, so his limit will be 200+
Bret,
Trade him?, at his lowest trading value?
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Hughes is still fresh out of spring training.
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not really. he went through a full ST and started the season with the club. he was garbage that whole time.
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He was pitching wthout his usual fastball.
the solution is simple. just sent hughes to the minors. (indians did the same with cliff lee in 07 after he’d been in the majors for few years and was a year removed from an 18-5 season). it’s stupid to even fathom trading him right now, like the crybabies want.
Luis,
Trade him for Rasmus. Rasmus is having a horrible year too.
These Yankee fans remind me of Alice in Wonderland – “Off with their heads”.
Why is Hughes’ fastball velo still down?
Yoy’ll have to add Gardner to get Rasmus.
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Pepitone # 25…….How are you ???? Unless someone falls into Cashman’s comfort zone, he just might stick with what he has……He should bring up Ivan if Hughes doesn’t turn it around in his next 2 starts, by that time Nova should be ready….Soriano’s return to dominance is a major key come October
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Hi Pat,
I’m good, glad to see you still cranking out the great posts. Sure glad to see some of the old regulars still on the board. I agree with everything you said, but I still am hoping the can cut a deal for Garza, I think that kid has a lot of upside.
Talk to you later!
one reason i wanted hughes to get the win. He’s going up against felix next week. He could pitch a gem and get a no D or lose 1-0
# LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Why is Hughes’ fastball velo still down?
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Still building arm strength?
I’m sure that’s what Larry and Joe G will say
looks like bj upton has been traded….
It sounds like the Rays have made a move, as they just pulled B.J. Upton from the game against the Royals and they had Desmond Jennings scratched from Triple-A Durham’s lineup.
Washington has been the most common landing spot for Upton in trade rumors.
No way. The Cardinals need pitching. They’d go for Phil Hughes. Maybe they could salvage him. Their in such a tight race now, they have to gamble. Rasmus is doing nothing for them.
For a guy that’s not considered a true base stealer, Jeter has 16 straight years with double figure steals. I don’t know how rare that is, but, it’s rare for a Yankee.
King Felix 6 ER, 11H, HR, only 2K and 4BB tonight at Fenway. Stuff must be almost gone.
I’m not going to put too much stock into tonight’s Hughes start.
100 + degrees outside. 20 + runs scored between the two teams.
That being said, he needs to be better next time out.
I do like the new curveball. But his killer fastball isn’t there yet.
Not much to do but hope for progress in his next time out.
Bret The Hitman July 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
With all due respect, i think we shouldn;t give up on Hughes. Not yet at least
Phil Hughes is much too young for anyone to be giving up on. And he deserves as many starts as necessary to help him get back into a rhythm. This ballclub needs him.
Whatever you think about Hughes, he’s made no excuses tonight, but, he never does. Says heat was no issue, but fastball command was. Says it was frustrating and disappointed about the performance, not being pulled from the game without the win.
Phil has a fairly fat head.
Maybe he can get away with taking steroids.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
King Felix 6 ER, 11H, HR, only 2K and 4BB tonight at Fenway. Stuff must be almost gone.
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Let’s hope he continues that in his next start against us.
He needs to go back to high school and relearn his slider. He might be able to miss a few bats there. Probably not.
GB,
He really is a class act. Its impossible not to like him.
I sincerely hope he can get tracked and have a very long career here as a front of the rotation starter.
He’s very Pettitte-like in his demeanor and would certainly have the chance to cement for himself a similar legacy should he find the ability to use his immense talent consistently.
Carlos Gonzalez on the DL with a strained wrist. Same one he hurt earlier this year.
Just do everyone who is unfortunate enough to read the posts in here a favor and don’t give any more lip service to “pitcher development.”
You don’t have a strong enough gut for developing young pitchers.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Phil Hughes is much too young for anyone to be giving up on. And he deserves as many starts as necessary to help him get back into a rhythm.
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yes he does. in the minors. lots of teams demote guys.
Is Nova still going to make a start in next weekend’s doubleheader? What happens if Phil throws another clunker next time and Nova throws a solid game?
I hope AJ lays off the PBRs tonight. Tomorrow’s going to be a challenge.
phil hughes had at best, 1 good half in the majors as a starter, and a few flashes here and there. he deserves squat. send him down and let him work it out in the minors. and bring up nova
PHIL needs to go back to high school?
I still think Hughes is going to be a good pitcher but have said all along that I had no idea what he would be this year or if he’d fully get back what he lost…..he still may but he may not this year…..
The Mariners have lost 13 straight..It seems there good play was a mirage and you still can’t win with zero offense
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Phil Hughes is much too young for anyone to be giving up on. And he deserves as many starts as necessary to help him get back into a rhythm.
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yes he does. in the minors. lots of teams demote guys.
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it’s been said before he has nothing to learn in the minors.
The Mariners have lost 13 straight..It seems there good play was a mirage and you still can’t win with zero offense
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Its almost like one should wait until the ASB to see where teams are at. Seattle terrible? No way! Orioles not good at all? Shock! Toronto, not a contender?! OMG
I will say I am surprised that Cleveland and Pit have hung around, but those divisions are terrible.
Smoak must really be helping the Mariners…..
I say we don’t deal with the Mariners whatsoever. Let them suck for 20 more years for all I care. Don’t trade them a thing, not even for Felix. Don’t give the pieces to rebuild with. That GM can stick it.
G-C July 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
GB,
He really is a class act. Its impossible not to like him.
I sincerely hope he can get tracked and have a very long career here as a front of the rotation starter.
He’s very Pettitte-like in his demeanor and would certainly have the chance to cement for himself a similar legacy should he find the ability to use his immense talent consistently.
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Watching the interview, you could see the frustation and the questions gave him plenty of chances to offer up an excuse. He never did. Said the curve was fine, but the fastball was the issue all night. Ping hitters give him issues more than the free swingers I think. Like he said, getting the first 2 strikes aren’t the issue. The fouls after that gets the pitch counts up too fast. He’ll get it fixed. He’s too good not to. He didn’t win 18 by accident. I saw somebody brought up run support again from last year. The Yanks scored about 180 runs in his games last year. 60 were scored after he left the game. That’s one third of his “support”. Numbers aren’t exact, but very close.
When the Mariners play us, they’ll be making incredible defensive plays, just like last time…
I’d give them Ramiro Pena for Erik Bedard. That’s it.
Can’t wait til Mariners GM Jack Z gets canned…..prick
Igotid88 – yes, its been said before that Hughes has nothing to learn in the minors. It was said when he had nothing to learn in the minors and could get big league hitters out. That’s no longer the case.
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
phil hughes had at best, 1 good half in the majors as a starter, and a few flashes here and there. he deserves squat. send him down and let him work it out in the minors. and bring up nova
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And that was his 1st full year as a ML starter. the other times he was coming back from injury. Nova couldn’t get out of the 4th earlier in the year. But as he kept on pitching he started to get better. Were you posting about sending Nova down early this year?
igotid88 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Phil Hughes is much too young for anyone to be giving up on. And he deserves as many starts as necessary to help him get back into a rhythm.
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yes he does. in the minors. lots of teams demote guys.
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it’s been said before he has nothing to learn in the minors.
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worked for cliff lee in 2007 when he was demoted, and he was more accomplished than hughes but stunk in 2007. it’s not about learning, it’s about getting the execution down.
I still don’t understand what the Yankees are doing with Noesi. 37 innings in almost 2/3 of a season for a young quality starting pitcher just boggles my mind. Mopping up in blowouts. Is he putting in work with Rothschild? None of this makes sense.
Smoak is hitting .225. Ha ha
Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Is Nova still going to make a start in next weekend’s doubleheader? What happens if Phil throws another clunker next time and Nova throws a solid game?
I hope AJ lays off the PBRs tonight. Tomorrow’s going to be a challenge.
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What if he doesn’t throw a clinker.
I read this and thought it was a Betsy post.
igotid88 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
phil hughes had at best, 1 good half in the majors as a starter, and a few flashes here and there. he deserves squat. send him down and let him work it out in the minors. and bring up nova
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And that was his 1st full year as a ML starter. the other times he was coming back from injury. Nova couldn’t get out of the 4th earlier in the year. But as he kept on pitching he started to get better. Were you posting about sending Nova down early this year?
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apples to oranges. nova’s stuff never looked flat and slow.
LGY, I think this has been mostly a wasted year for Noesi………..It’s great that he’s done so well out of the pen, but he doesn’t pitch that much and he should be starting in AAA. Making him a mop up man is a waste of talent.
He’ll get it fixed. He’s too good not to. He didn’t win 18 by accident.
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Yeah, but frozen rope says he’s done; says he needs to go back to the minors, blah-blah-blah.
I heard the same thing for years out here in L.A. about Orel Hershisher (and Koufax), he seems to have come out alright. I am sure glad the morons on this board don’t have a say in Yankee personnel moves.
blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I still think Hughes is going to be a good pitcher but have said all along that I had no idea what he would be this year or if he’d fully get back what he lost…..he still may but he may not this year…..
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His previous 2 starts showed he can get there. I don’t count this game too much. This game was a product of the heat.
Carlo July 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Igotid88 – yes, its been said before that Hughes has nothing to learn in the minors. It was said when he had nothing to learn in the minors and could get big league hitters out. That’s no longer the case.
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I beg to differ
Frozen Rope…Are you telling us that you were one of the few here who wanted no part of Nova ??? And I’m not just talking about last season, he was ragged on an awful lot just a few months ago…….
Bo Knows,
I said the same earlier…..he’s their best reliever after Mo and Robertson and now he cant pitch again for probably 3 games because he threw 53 pitches with a 7 run lead.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
He’ll get it fixed. He’s too good not to. He didn’t win 18 by accident.
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GB7
Yeah, but frozen rope says he’s done; says he needs to go back to the minors, blah-blah-blah.
I heard the same thing for years out here in L.A. about Orel Hershisher (and Koufax), he seems to have come out alright. I am sure glad the morons on this board don’t have a say in Yankee personnel moves.
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yeah how moronic to send down an ineffective pitcher when nova can do better. never mind the indians did the SAME exact thing to Cliff Lee in 2007 after he went 18-5 in 05. keep ignoring that point!
Pepi, there’s no way to figure out whether it’s lack of baseball understanding, lack of intelligence or just bad drugs with some of these people. There is a long list of HOFers and other top of the line pitchers throughout history that hasn’t accomplished as much as Hughes has by age 25….Koufax being just one of them.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
He’ll get it fixed. He’s too good not to. He didn’t win 18 by accident.
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GB7
Yeah, but frozen rope says he’s done; says he needs to go back to the minors, blah-blah-blah.
I heard the same thing for years out here in L.A. about Orel Hershisher (and Koufax), he seems to have come out alright. I am sure glad the morons on this board don’t have a say in Yankee personnel moves.
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when/where did i ever say he was done idiot
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
igotid88 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Phil Hughes is much too young for anyone to be giving up on. And he deserves as many starts as necessary to help him get back into a rhythm.
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yes he does. in the minors. lots of teams demote guys.
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it’s been said before he has nothing to learn in the minors.
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worked for cliff lee in 2007 when he was demoted, and he was more accomplished than hughes but stunk in 2007. it’s not about learning, it’s about getting the execution down.
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I think they started all over with him. I don’t think Hughes has the same problem Lee had. I could be wrong. Like I said before if Hughes didn’t have the velocity problem early in the year. This would not be a discussion. This was his first real bad start since coming back with a much closer velocity than what he had.
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Frozen Rope…Are you telling us that you were one of the few here who wanted no part of Nova ??? And I’m not just talking about last season, he was ragged on an awful lot just a few months ago…….
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Exactly, Pat. It’s the same ole thing, “Whadda done for me lately? One bad start? Send em packing!”
Hughes said the heat wasn’t a factor tonight. Said it was hot for everyone. Said that lack of fastball command killed him.
in fact the whole demote hughes/cliff lee in 2007 analogy goes completely against saying or inferring hughes is done. if you idiots could connect dots, seeing as how that turned lee’s career around.
therealarieber Brandon laird said he’s been told he will start tomorrow at 3b. #yankees #veryearlylineuptweet
when/where did i ever say he was done idio
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Sending him back to the minors is saying he’s not good enough to stay up here, that sounds like you have quit on him … jackass.
pat July 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
therealarieber Brandon laird said he’s been told he will start tomorrow at 3b. #yankees #veryearlylineuptweet
Cool.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Pat M. July 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Frozen Rope…Are you telling us that you were one of the few here who wanted no part of Nova ??? And I’m not just talking about last season, he was ragged on an awful lot just a few months ago…….
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correct. i’m not a bridge jumper but I’m not going to break out in a pollyanna routine either, is this place really all or nothing and that polarized? jesus.
If Laaird is starting, I wonder if it’s Jeter or Nunez sitting down. Most likely Jeter I would think.
#Rays Jennings called up, Brignac optioned to durham 6 minutes ago
What if he doesn’t throw a clinker.
I read this and thought it was a Betsy post.
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Ouch.
I know what will happen If he doesn’t stink. I’m wondering if they’d consider a change if Nova shines and Phil struggles. He may be just finishing Spring training but it’s not April.
Pepitone July 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
when/where did i ever say he was done idio
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Sending him back to the minors is saying he’s not good enough to stay up here, that sounds like you have quit on him … jackass.
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for the timebeing, ostensibly he’s not good enough to be here but working it out in the minors like lots of other guys have will prove otherwise. how stupid are you, really? Cliff Lee was accomplished, went 18-5 one year, won 14 games another, was awful in 07, got demoted and turned his career around. what’s so hard to understand about this comparision? that’s so NOT giving up on the kid, if you could take the blinders off.
You could see Noesi was rusty when he came in but then he became more effective as the pitch count went up. A pitcher that sits 93 with a four pitch arsenal is too valuable to rot in a BP. Warren, Phelps and co are putting up innings in AAA and arguably their top pitcher outside of CC is mopping up. Cashman talks about assets – they’re wasting this one.
#Rays Jennings called up, Brignac optioned to durham 6 minutes ago
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And Jesus Montero sticks a pin in his Brian Cashman voodoo doll as another prospect not as good as him gets the call to the majors.
Blake, do you remember the poster, Pollyanna Pork Chop Pogh? It just dawned on me where he/she got the name.
http://www.baseball-reference......ugh-001cly
Cliff Lee was accomplished
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This is not Cliff Lee you stupid jerk! Get your head out and smell some fresh air.
Looks like BJ’s on the move…
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
igotid88 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
phil hughes had at best, 1 good half in the majors as a starter, and a few flashes here and there. he deserves squat. send him down and let him work it out in the minors. and bring up nova
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And that was his 1st full year as a ML starter. the other times he was coming back from injury. Nova couldn’t get out of the 4th earlier in the year. But as he kept on pitching he started to get better. Were you posting about sending Nova down early this year?
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apples to oranges. nova’s stuff never looked flat and slow.
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Yet Hughes pitch was able to go 5ip and 6ip(possibly 7) in his 2 previous starts woth flat and slow stuff. While Nova just recently started doing that with supposedly better stuff.
Bronx, believe me, that lame insult from the old man of the boards barely stung at all. It’s easy to tell his posts from anyone else’s because…………nah, too easy; I won’t go there.
clearly, saying hughes should be temporarily demoted to work out his problems (just like other guys who were accomplished themselves, in similar circumstances – Cliff Lee 2007) puts me in the crybaby/bridge jumper crowd because the pollyanna’s here seem to think that since I’m not exactly like them, i must be in the other camp. if pepitone and igotid are too stupid to understand a simple analogy than whatever, you’re too stupid to understand the point. im done. night.
Bronx, nova was supposed to get the DH start against the Orioles, but, he rolled his ankle and is on the 7 day DL and nobody’s talking the seriousness of it. A tweet from one of the Scranton writers said that Warren was getting the call and that’s why he was pulled after 1 inning tonight.
GB,
I don’t know if theyd put laird and Nunez together as a whole side of the infield….Jeter is due a day off though so we’ll see.
Wait, so Montero should be called up just because other teams are doing the same with their best prospects? You want the Yankees to call him up when they clearly don’t think that’s the right thing to do? Whew……
BJ is gonna be gone soon
Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Bronx, believe me, that lame insult from the old man of the boards barely stung at all. It’s easy to tell his posts from anyone else’s because…………nah, too easy; I won’t go there.
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You don’t want to get personal. I’d hate to bring up a 30+ year old woman still living with mom and dad.
Gb,
That’s incredible….
Unless they’re planning to move Rodriguez or Zobrist to short, it makes no sense to demote Brignac and promote Jennings. UNLESS, BJ is going for a SS or there’s some larger deal about to be completed. BJ would be a tempting reclamation project for a lot of teams, I bet.
Upton would be a nice fit for Atlanta as well if he had a different attitude…..they need a RH bat and they need a CFer….he’s nit their type guy though so I doubt theyll have interest
Desmond’s real good, but nobody in the game is as slick as BJ.
blake, you’re really trying to take care of that Atlanta lineup. Your Braves should not have traded Escobar. That move will haunt them.
LGY….Tampa is folding their tent for 2011
Blake, that’s just what he heard, so, anything is possible. Didn’t make sense because Warren’s not on the 40 man roster. I thought Noesi might get an emergency start.
Hey, I love my parents – got no problem with living at home. If you do, that’s your insecurities coming out…….I guess I can’t blame you, though. As old as you are, you’ve had time to figure out that you’re just nothing special
Could be that Warren’s part of a trade on the way, Blake.
Too bad the Yanks can’t bring Melky back. The little chub is hitting .298 after going 3 for 5 tonight and driving in three.
“J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Desmond’s real good, but nobody in the game is as slick as BJ.”
BJ can’t hit and they can’t get him to play hard….change of scenery candidate though….possibly….the talent is certainly there
Frozen Rope July 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
clearly, saying hughes should be temporarily demoted to work out his problems (just like other guys who were accomplished themselves, in similar circumstances – Cliff Lee 2007) puts me in the crybaby/bridge jumper crowd because the pollyanna’s here seem to think that since I’m not exactly like them, i must be in the other camp. if pepitone and igotid are too stupid to understand a simple analogy than whatever, you’re too stupid to understand the point. im done. night.
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We know what you’re saying. But whenever Hughes has a bad start or a rough stretch everyone wants to trade or send him down. If he were to be sent back down it would be of no service to him. Unless they’re going to make him start all over again and teach him new pitches or a new delivery. Which is what I think they did with Lee? Hughes problem was the velocity.
Blake, apparently the Warren thing started with Dave Miley.
swbyankeesTT SWB Yankees Blog
Dave Miley, on Adam Warren: “He is an option for the major league club. They have a doubleheader on the 30th.”
I thought Nova’s injury wasn’t serious enough to miss that start.
On the Scranton blog Collins said that Warren is going to pitch again on Monday putting him in line for that DH on Sat.
if this was burrnetts start u hughes supporters would be callin for his head, but bc its hughes its ‘everything will be ok’
hughes has always missed his spots, ecept in 2007 when he made all us yankee fans so excited,
watch any game fotage of last yr 1st half…missed his spot but had velocity so it was ok.
now…im afraid hes a lost cause
blake….Upton would or could achieve his potential on a veteran club………All this Melky talk has me wondering, are the Yanks looking for a 4th OF or are they looking for an everyday corner OF and move Swisher ????
We know what you’re saying. But whenever Hughes has a bad start or a rough stretch everyone wants to trade or send him down.
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Very well said, and why he cannot see that is beyond me.
“GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 am
Could be that Warren’s part of a trade on the way, Blake.”
I was talking about that link and that name….pork chop.
. You talking about Warren because he only threw an inning?
J. Alfred,
I don’t think Escobar is that good and he was a pain in the butt in Atlanta…..they made the playoffs without him and have the 2nd best record in the NL this year….he’s talented but only a decent player…..don’t see him as a guy that will haunt anybody
Doesn’t get any better for McCourt and the Dodgers.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Too bad the Yanks can’t bring Melky back. The little chub is hitting .298 after going 3 for 5 tonight and driving in three.
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You cool with Melky replacing Posada?
blake July 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
“J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Desmond’s real good, but nobody in the game is as slick as BJ.”
BJ can’t hit and they can’t get him to play hard….change of scenery candidate though….possibly….the talent is certainly there
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yea he’s got an unproductive swing. I meant he’s the slickest dude around as a defensive CF.
Melky’s having a great year, but he’s not a DH.
Pat M,
Possible but who? Matt Kemp please
GB,
I guess they want Warren ready if Nova can’t go…..I’d like to see him get a shot
Melky’s having a great year, but he’s not a DH.
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Who’s he replacing on the Yankees?
Sorry, Blake. “Killer” just got home from his date and I was distracted. He took his lady out to Chez Garbage Can…where only the best clientele are served.
blake, I think he’s got worlds of talent. Having a good year too. I know they thought he was some big headache, but it’s interesting that he isn’t having those kinds of problems in Toronto.
Wouldn’t Melky replace Gardner?
Let the Melky/Gardner debate begin.
Good point on Posada. Posada, Hughes, and Tex won’t be replaced. Hughes might, but I don’t think he’s as bad as this.
Melky could rotate in the OF if they picked him up. Certainly that would be more doable with him than with Beltran, who would probably laugh in Cashman’s face at the suggestion.
Posada with some good ABs tonight.
Blake, I knew that the name Pork chop Pough rang a bell. i remember it as being a rookie on the rise is Smith And Street Baseball.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2011 at 12:19 am
blake, I think he’s got worlds of talent. Having a good year too. I know they thought he was some big headache, but it’s interesting that he isn’t having those kinds of problems in Toronto.
Maybe he’s matured a bit and getting shipped out of town because of a poor attitude was a wake up call. Andrus haunts Braves fans much more…..as does that whole deal
a rookie on the rise ***in*** Smith And Street Baseball.
Losing two talented SS is pretty sloppy.
Gritner-Grandy-Melky, Swish DH
Gritner-Grandy-Beltran, Swish DH
Melkman shouldn’t be taking away PT from Gardner, Granderson, or Swish and would be too expensive to serve in an Andruw Jones type role.
Blake, GB,
In RAB they are saying that Warren is preping for Baltimore Doubleheader.
They’re not bringing Melky here. If they trade for him, then I’ll consider what to do with him.
Doc Iac July 23rd, 2011 at 12:14 am
if this was burrnetts start u hughes supporters would be callin for his head, but bc its hughes its ‘everything will be ok’
hughes has always missed his spots, ecept in 2007 when he made all us yankee fans so excited,
watch any game fotage of last yr 1st half…missed his spot but had velocity so it was ok.
now…im afraid hes a lost cause
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Are you comparing a 13 year veteran who’s pitched about 10 full seasons to a guy coming off his first full year. And AJ throw 94-95 and is supposed to have a great curve. It’s understandable we’re disappointed in AJ. Especially when we got him he was supposed to be great against AL east teams.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2011 at 12:24 am
Losing two talented SS is pretty sloppy.
Yea but developing good starting pitching about 8 deep isn’t. Prado, Heyward, Freeman , Mcann as well…..the Teixera deal was really bad and out of character
Gritner-Grandy-Beltran, Swish DH”
This one
Luis, that will make for an interesting move to drop somebody off of the 40 man roster. I’m looking forward to see what he does. good to break him easy against a weaker team, too.
I’m out…night all. Good win!
Heyward is pretty much a lost cause this year. He’s going to be good, but, this year has been a nightmare.
They do have great young pitching. & they certainly made themselves a nice little deal to score more of it, from us.
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AJ is due for a good start.
Goodnight, all.
GB…….Bud Selig and just about the rest of the owners want Frank McCourt out of the game……And in time Bud will be granted his wish……
I’ve seen enough. Send Hughes down. Stop the insanity. He sucks, and has sucked for about a year.
When he’s been in AAA for enough to see what he has left, bring him up–after September 1.
Nova should be good enough.
A rotation of CC, AJ, Colon, and Sanchez for the postseason? Not great, but it will have to do.
GB7,
Yup, i’m really looking forward to see him pitch. Good night everyone
WOW!!! Looks like the US isn’t the only country with crazy freaks of nature. 87 dead in Norway and toll is climbing
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Ho.....ck_In_Oslo
Pat M. July 23rd, 2011 at 12:35 am
GB…….Bud Selig and just about the rest of the owners want Frank McCourt out of the game……And in time Bud will be granted his wish……
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Pat, wasn’t McCourt hand picked by Selig? What a disaster he’s made of that franchise.
PittsburghYankeeFan July 23rd, 2011 at 12:35 am
I’ve seen enough. Send Hughes down. Stop the insanity. He sucks, and has sucked for about a year.
When he’s been in AAA for enough to see what he has left, bring him up–after September 1.
Nova should be good enough.
A rotation of CC, AJ, Colon, and Sanchez for the postseason? Not great, but it will have to do.
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Who in the Hell is Sanchez?
GB…..Bud promised a franchise after giving his hometown Red Sox to Henry…..McCourt had very little dough and leveraged his now repossesed Boston Parking lots for loans…….Also Murdoch and MLB wanted FOX out of baseball so the new TV contract could be reached……Lie with dogs, you know the rest
I love it. The Yankee lose yesterday because of Tex. I don’t come on for 24 hours. Today, I come to read that we win, the offense did good, Tex got a grand slam, so the so-and-so offense is put on the back-burner to now complain about the awfulness of Phil Hughes over the past year, when everyone thought he was going to initially come back as a #1 starter. I love it. Welcome to Lohud! Where the Zoo lets its animals run wild!
Sorry–late. Garcia. I’m mixing up shortstops and pitchers….
Two runs against Rich Harden and the awful As…I could cry. Posada had his pitch to hit and, as has been mostly the case this season, missed it. Bet the Mariners can’t wait to get to Yankee Stadium to end their losing streak.