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Pitching matchups vs. Oakland

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
RHP Phil Hughes (1-2, 8.44)
vs.
RHP Trevor Cahill (8-8, 3.16)
7:05 p.m., MY9

Saturday
RHP A.J. Burnett (8-7, 4.19)
vs.
RHP Rich Harden (1-1, 5.00)
1:05 p.m., YES Network

Sunday
RHP Bartolo Colon (6-6, 3.43)
vs.
LHP Gio Gonzalez (9-6, 2.33)
1:05 p.m., YES Network

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424 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Oakland”

  1. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I’d really like to see the Yankees light up Cahill tonight, I have a fantasy-baseball vendetta against him. :)

  2. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    # sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Yanks signed Marcus Thames to a minor league deal. That Cashman is probably going to get Chad Gaudin next.

    —————————————————–

    On his way to picking up Edwar.

  3. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I wouldn’t mind at all if Oakland left Harden here after the series.

  4. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I think the only game I’ll actually be able to sit down and watch will be Sunday’s. Therefore…they must win on Sunday!!!! ;)

  5. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    # sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Yanks signed Marcus Thames to a minor league deal. That Cashman is probably going to get Chad Gaudin next.

    ——————

    What’s the problem with signing either (or both) of those guys to minor league deals. Thames especially was very effective in his time here.

  6. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Beltran update – mlbtraderumors

    The Giants, Phillies and Braves appear to be the leaders in the Beltran sweepstakes, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. The Brewers are also a possibility.

  7. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    the reason tex should be unde the microscope and this is not a hissy fit of the fans is he makes about $19 mill or more per year, hit’s 3rd, is not old, and is not living up to his contract. BA is overrated for sure. But his OBP and BA are down and his run production is not horrible but far from where it should be.

    jeter and jorge have an excuse they are old, diminished, and have a long long track record.

    btw the jeter hit him near the bottom not make a difference is standard bullcrap, then why switch out sergio mitre for someone if it will only make a miniscule difference? because teams should try to win, every game, not doable but that has to be the goal.

    jeter has none of the required skill set to hit at the top of the lineup. speed is diminished, ground ball hitter(ie DP), obp is not great, and ba is not great. he should hit 8th or 9th i could care less if that hurts his feelings.

    jorge with another bad week should be benched or preferably DFA’d…..Montero has to be worth a try……….Martin can’t hit but he is a premium catcher defensively….

  8. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Why all the hate on Teixeira? Like a 2 week power slump is some magical thing that no other baseball player in the league ever has? 2 weeks ago he hit 4 HR’s in 5 games, hit BA hasn’t fluxuated more than 10 points in either direction in 2 months. Your aritrary “he hasn’t hit in the last 2 or 3 weeks” is just that, arbitrary and meaningless.

    He doesn’t hit for average. Big deal, average does not equal production.

    Who here could actually name the 5 most valuable 1B in the league (by fWAR) over the last 30 days… no one… becuase the list is ridiculous. Cuddyer, Young, Murphy, Helton, Napoli. Man, I really wish Teixeira could be one of THOSE guys instead of the awesome player that he is.

    —————————-

    Name the 1B you would take ahead of Tex.

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Too much competition for Beltran.

  10. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Hiroki Kuroda hasn’t yet told the Dodgers whether he’d waive his no-trade clause in some cases, though he may take trades on a case-by-case basis. AL sources indicate the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Indians and Rangers are among interested teams

    si.com

  11. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    each a’s starter this weekend will be pitching on 6 days rest or more.
    unsure if that gives the Yankees an advantage or not.

  12. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    The Yankees have some interest in Baltimore pitcher Jeremy Guthrie. But there is no evidence Orioles owner Peter Angelos will ever trade with the Yankees.

    si.com

  13. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    There’s a guy coming off the DL today who could help the Yankees: Jason Kubel.

  14. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What’s the problem with signing either (or both) of those guys to minor league deals. Thames especially was very effective in his time here.

    =-=-=-=-=-

    Flash in the pan. Used that performance to get a full time job with the dodgers. Hit .197/.243/.333 line. Last year hit an uncharacteristic .283/.350./491. Doubtful he’ll be useful this year. But even if he does come back to his career line (.249/.309/.485), it’s gonna mean Posada sits. Either way, I’d rather have Chavez in there.

  15. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    another reason why all the hate for tex is he is not the hitter they signed. the hitter they siged was a 30 homer guy who hit at least 270 with 100 + rbi’s this guy is hittin low 240′s and making no adjustments. you telling me he has a plan for the endless offspeed pitches they throw him while he is batting lefty? or how he can overcome the shift? he makes zero adjustments and that is maddening and wrong…

    try a damn bunt to the left side, why the hell not? Think offspeed once in a while regardless of what john flaherty says….if you charted the pitches thrown to tex they have a formula and it is offspeed, offspeed, and offspeed…

  16. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    The Yankees seek a righthanded bat (someone like the Rockies’ Ty Wigginton) and a lefthanded reliever in a addition to a starting pitcher. The Marlins’ Randy Choate, an ex-Yankee, might be the best lefty reliever available.

    si.com

  17. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    LGY – On a full season basis? Miggy, Pujols, A-Gon, Votto… probably not anyone else.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Maybe the Yanks want Guthrie so he can hit Boston players :D.

  19. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    jason kubel is very good hitter… so the yanks will snap there fingers and he will magically appear??? you need to give to get…kubel comes here Jorge is toast……

  20. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Name the 1B you would take ahead of Tex.
    —————–

    Pooholes

  21. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Like Russell Martin, Tex got off to a great start to the season. On April 24th he was hitting .279/.408/.656

    Since then, in their last 78 games and 343 PAs, Tex is hitting .232/.327/.460

  22. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    stuart-
    the best time for Tex to lay down a bunt or 1/2 swing down the 3rd base side
    is when he leads off an inning. perfect time to do that.
    get on base, start a rally, etc…
    last night he had a chance vs shields-even the MLB Network announcers suggested he do that, but of course Tex did not and made an out.

    tex seems to never look change-up. i can’t pitch over 60 mph, but even i know well enough to throw Tex off-speed pitches and smile when he swings and misses.

  23. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Maybe the Yanks want Guthrie so he can hit Boston players .

    —-

    works for me !

  24. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    LGY – On a full season basis? Miggy, Pujols, A-Gon, Votto… probably not anyone else.

    —————-

    If you had to go from watching Tex everyday to Miggy everyday you would cry.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    stuart, what’s it like to have a liver full of hateful? you’re going to consume yourself one day.

  26. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    “2 weeks ago he hit 4 HR’s in 5 games,”

    I’ve come to accept Tex is what he is and have kept the moon howling to a minimum but at least be accurate with the facts if you going to go there.

    He has’t hit a HR in the month of July so that 4HR streak was at least 3 weeks ago and his July has been the mother of all slumps.

    No HRs, 4 extra base hits and RBI in 17 games and almost twice as many Ks as BBs.

  27. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    tex should not bunt with 2 aon and no out ut when they shift no one on base go for it.

    a successful bunt or 2 would change the shift. but mark knows better then all, he will figure out this offspeed pitch within the next 2 years.

    the maddening thing is no adjustments.. i thought this was a game of adjustments…

    righthanded he will hit the all to the opposite field but lefty very little chance…

    jorge has an excuse he is toast, tex is 30…………

  28. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Has Tex always been this streaky? In either case, is defense is never streaky.

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Why all the angst about Teixeira? Seriously?

    Who does not understand that four years is a large sample size and what a consistently diminishing performance means for a ballplayer who is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million per year?

    BA – OBP – SLG – OPS

    2008 – .308/.410/.552/.962
    2009 – .292/.383/.565/.948
    2010 – .256/.365/.481/.846
    2011 – .240/.341/.493/.834 (to date)

  30. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What’s the problem with signing either (or both) of those guys to minor league deals. Thames especially was very effective in his time here.

    =-=-=-=-=-

    Flash in the pan. Used that performance to get a full time job with the dodgers. Hit .197/.243/.333 line. Last year hit an uncharacteristic .283/.350./491. Doubtful he’ll be useful this year. But even if he does come back to his career line (.249/.309/.485), it’s gonna mean Posada sits. Either way, I’d rather have Chavez in there.

    ————

    you aren’t bringing Thames in to play everyday – you bring him in to pinch hit or Dh against a LHP. His numbers were down this year in that regard, but he’s still a quality bench player. That said, he wasn’t signed to a major league deal – he’s down in Scranton taking at bats away from Terry Tiffee…it’s no big deal.

  31. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    pat – and i would imagine that every person i just listed has gone through a similar slump at some point in their careers. The incessant need to say “the way this guy is playing, THIS IS WHO HE ALWAYS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE” is borderline insanity.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    The silver lining on Tex is he’ll snap out of it. Even with his off balance swing, he’s going to run into a streak sooner or later. There’s no point in griping about him. Will he consider overhauling his swing in the offseason as some have advocated? I’m not sure he would, but earlier in the season his swing from the left side was more level for a short time, but he lapsed back into what is habitual & what has been successful for him in his career. It would be interesting for Chad to query Long on whether Tex is open to some adjustments.

  33. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    If you had to go from watching Tex everyday to Miggy everyday you would cry.

    ——–

    Wait until you see the difference on offense. Now that would make you cry, happily.

  34. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    Why all the angst about Teixeira? Seriously?

    Who does not understand that four years is a large sample size and what a consistently diminishing performance means for a ballplayer who is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million per year?

    ————-

    Ok. What would you like to do about it?

  35. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    True dat… but either way, once Chavez gets back, he’ll hopefully see time at 3rd and then if he’s hitting well enough – DH.

  36. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    yep. hateful for saying tex is underachieving. guilty as charged. i should be a numnuts all is great fool fan like you, sure hit derek first because they owe him, they do not want to hurt his feelings, and he is such a nice guy.

    smart. when you get fired from your $8 an hour job because the owner wants to hire his loser nephew you will be fine with it right???

    jeter does not deserve to bat leadoff not real complicated. the guy is going to the HOF, has about $100 mill in the bank, my heart does not bleed for him but it does for people that really are in a bad way or need help.

    COmprehend dope???

  37. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    WCYF – When are you gonna stop responding to me with slash lines? You know full well what that devolves the conversation into.

  38. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    stuart-
    Tex is really pissing me off when he steps into the box. I have little faith he will put bat on the ball. Especially from the left side.

    Either the guy is stubborn as a mule or he is unable to hit from the left side.

  39. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    If you had to go from watching Tex everyday to Miggy everyday you would cry.

    ——–

    Wait until you see the difference on offense. Now that would make you cry, happily.

    ————-

    Hey, if I could get Miggy here as a DH I would be thrilled. But the only guy makes Giambi look like a defensive magician.

  40. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    LGY –On a full season basis? Miggy, Pujols, A-Gon, Votto… probably not anyone else.

    +——-

    Konerko? Prince?

  41. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Teixeira has had a month to month and a half every single year of his career where he loses his timing and his power is sapped. This year is no different, it just didn’t happen in April this time.

  42. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    As Tex keeps saying, his hits comes in bunches. He’s the very definition of streaky. Being a switch hitter – it’s hard keeping both swings flawless. He’ll get into a groove again soon. And this will all die down again. His glove – tho – is pretty sweet.

  43. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    True dat… but either way, once Chavez gets back, he’ll hopefully see time at 3rd and then if he’s hitting well enough – DH.
    _____________________________________________________________
    Chavez could be back as soon as Monday. Or maybe Girardi will throw a curve and ask Chavez to report as soon as tomorrow or Sunday.
    Chavez can help this team. His defense at 3rd can’t be any worse than Nunez(13 errors).

  44. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    I’m getting the feeling with all of the Tex angst he’ll have a good game tonight. ;)

    OK, now I’m off to the dentist. Sob.

    Have a good rest of the day everyone!!

  45. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    LGY –On a full season basis? Miggy, Pujols, A-Gon, Votto… probably not anyone else.

    +——-

    Konerko? Prince?

    —————–

    No and no.

    Both are butchers at 1b. And no chance I’m investing in Prince long term…unless I want to go through what the Angels/Mets did with Mo Vaughn.

  46. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    based on the last 4 years stats shown above by west coast yankee, the tex decline may be in full bloom.

    that is another thing about yankee fans and announcers they talk about players like jeter and others like they did when they were great but they do this when they are still playing 4 or 6 years later. like jeter or tex will snap there fingers and they will be great again. i love all the talk about jeter and his clutchness. yep he won the game 2 weeks ago with his 5th hit and that is about it for him. he has 1 of the worse BA with RISP in baseball for the season..

    based on the stats above tex is in serious decline……is it reversible that is the question….

  47. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    True dat… but either way, once Chavez gets back, he’ll hopefully see time at 3rd and then if he’s hitting well enough – DH.
    _____________________________________________________________
    Chavez could be back as soon as Monday. Or maybe Girardi will throw a curve and ask Chavez to report as soon as tomorrow or Sunday.
    Chavez can help this team. His defense at 3rd can’t be any worse than Nunez(13 errors).

    —————

    They’re not going to bring Chavez back until they’re sure he can play the field a couple of days in a row without pain.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    stuart, it’s tiresome reading you because you can’t evaluate anything without using words like “stupid”, “fat”, “dope”, towards the players (and other posters). What you don’t realize is, rather than lending any power to what you really have to say, it takes any power the comment might have away. Very distasteful reading. But knock yourself out.

  49. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    ID

    When the Yankees signed Tex, did you think they were getting a .250-.260 hitter? I sure didn’t.

    I didn’t say this is what he will always be but this is what he has been the majority of the time he’s been a Yankee.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    WCYF – When are you gonna stop responding to me with slash lines? You know full well what that devolves the conversation into.

    ***************************

    I have no clue what you just said. I do think your last statement was ridiculous and I quote:

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    “…i would imagine that every person i just listed has gone through a similar slump at some point in their careers.”

    If you think a decline in performance over a four year period is a slump, you would be incorrect. That’s not a slump.

  51. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    If the Yankees don’t get into the Beltran sweepstakes I’m hoping the Braves bite the bullet and grab him…..send Vizcaino and go for it this year.

  52. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    my only point on chavez is the chances of his getting hurt are much better then the chances of him staying healthy.. counting on him for anything is foolish.

    if he is on the team he can help but IF…..

    also if chavez plays a lot the chances of getting hurt go way up….

  53. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    offense is down around baseball – it isn’t a Tex issue only.

  54. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    LGY – Over Teixeira? Prince is borderline, he is very streaky like Teix and he went .261/.401/.471/.871… People here would have been kiling him for that just as much as they are now with Teixeira.

    I don’t know where this sentiment that Teixeira was supposed to bat .300 comes from… the only did it twice, and just missed it a third… and those were with some severely inflated BABIP’s. His profile is a .260 – .270 hitter… and he’s not exactly far off from that right now. He has slumped for 3 weeks and his SLG has just now dropped below .500, which means as soon as he picks it up again his numbers will be all pretty and no one will remember this talk.

  55. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Another day of pitcher’s duels for the infant Yankees. Yankees give up three in the first and score three in the bottom of the first inning…homers by Ravel Santana (7), David Adams (1) and Yeicok Calderon (4). Bichette with a triple.

  56. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Rather than whining about Tex why don’t one of you tell me what your solution is?

  57. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    if tex continues to hit like this they can win but hit him 5th not 3rd that is my point.. move cano up to 3rd, arod 4th and tex 5th….

  58. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    WCYF – Your sample is just flat-out misleading. He was over-acheiving for the first 2 years you have stipulated in your “slump”. Unless you think he’s a guy that should be sustaining a BABIP over .300 (hint: he isn’t).

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Teixeira has had a month to month and a half every single year of his career where he loses his timing and his power is sapped. This year is no different, it just didn’t happen in April this time.

    ************

    That’s not true. Look at the 2008-2011 stats I posted above. It’s much more than a “month and a half slump”. It’s a steady decline in performance from year to year to year to year. Teixeira likes to say -” look at the back of my baseball card at the end of the season.”

    I’ve looked – and it’s nothing to call attention to.

  60. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    WCYF – your arbitrary cutoff in 2008, coupled with a no-substance slash means absolutely nothing to me.

  61. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    offense is down across baseball that is true but again tex htting 240 is in my opinion a tex issue, in his swing and approach. if he is going for the fences hit him 5th not 3rd….

    gardner, grandy, cano, arod, tex, swiisher, top 6 in the order…

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    WCYF – Your sample is just flat-out misleading. He was over-acheiving for the first 2 years you have stipulated in your “slump”. Unless you think he’s a guy that should be sustaining a BABIP over .300 (hint: he isn’t).

    ******************

    His performance has declined every year since 2008 almost across the board in BA/OBP/SLG and OPS. That’s a fact. There is nothing misleading about that.

  63. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    if tex continues to hit like this they can win but hit him 5th not 3rd that is my point.. move cano up to 3rd, arod 4th and tex 5th….

    ————-

    Yes but A-Rod’s not going to be here until late August and I don’t think Girardi is going to bat Granderson and Cano back-to-back.

  64. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    WCYF – His 2008 and 2009 were unsustainable good seasons, that’s why your 4 year trend looks bad, no other reason.

    If you look at his WHOLE CAREER, you will see that last year is who Teixeira really is, not the 2008 or 2009 Teixeira.

  65. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    I?ve looked ? and it?s nothing to call attention to.

    Yup.

    I take AGon, Miggy, Votto, Konerko, and Prince over Tex on a daily basis without batting an eye at the loss of defense. It’s not like those guys cant field their position, they just don’t make the dazzling plays he makes. All are far supieror players to him offensively and the loss of defense is neg in my opinion.

  66. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm
    offense is down across baseball that is true but again tex htting 240 is in my opinion a tex issue, in his swing and approach. if he is going for the fences hit him 5th not 3rd….

    gardner, grandy, cano, arod, tex, swiisher, top 6 in the order…

    ———————

    Again – Alex isn’t here so you can’t bat him anywhere and there’s no chance Girardi is going to bat three lefties in a row at the top of the lineup.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    WCYF – your arbitrary cutoff in 2008, coupled with a no-substance slash means absolutely nothing to me.

    ***********

    It’s not an arbitrary cutoff. In 2008 he turned 28 which is considered my most baseball experts who have researched such things as prime peak for most baseball players. His performance has steadily declined since then and IMO will continue to do so as he ages – despite an occasional “Indian summer” bump now and then,.

  68. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Tex is a career .282 hitter.

  69. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Rather than whining about Tex why don?t one of you tell me what your solution is?

    There is none. Not a team in baseball would take that player combined with that check.

  70. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    You guys who are killing Tex are amazing.

    I don’t know how it is that MLB teams get along without your ingenious insight in their front offices.

  71. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    if they cannot move tex to 5th until arod get’s back it is even more important that tex increase his obp/ba. therefore he needs to think about adjusting to the endless offspeed pitches and forget about the homers which he has not hit in about 80 ab’s.

    girardi does not like to lump all lefties or righties together in the lineup for late innings in case the other team brings in a LOOGY etc. I disagree with that . i believe they manage early in the game for late inning situations that may or may not occur. I say obsese less about lefty right etc in the lineup, bat you better hitters higher up and end the story.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    WCYF – His 2008 and 2009 were unsustainable good seasons, that’s why your 4 year trend looks bad, no other reason.

    If you look at his WHOLE CAREER, you will see that last year is who Teixeira really is, not the 2008 or 2009 Teixeira.

    *****************

    You are not taking into account Tex’s age and the inevitable decline that comes with it.

  73. I Am Winning July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Irreverent Discourse,

    I agree. As much as we would all love every Yankee to have career years, every year, it’s not going to happen. With the diminishing stats of many great players, starting in 2010, we have seen the best of a lot of them.

    In 2009 about 40 people finished with a BA of over .300. In 2010, it was about half of that. This year thus far, only 22 people are batting over .300.

    Also, the posters pointing out his salary, if the Yankees had a clause in his contract to cut his pay in half if he isn’t performing up to par, they would still complain. So unless Tex has a career year for the remaining of the contract, some people just won’t be happy. But, that’s baseball, so you gotta just deal with it.

  74. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Offense being down league wide doesn’t give tex a pass because you have to look at why offense is down. Superstars fading out into decline or injured or switching leagues or teams focusing less on offense and more on speed defense. That hurts the marginal players and brings everything down. just because 4th and 3rd outfielders are now fielders instead of bats with no gloves doesn’t mean tex can drop 120 ops points.

  75. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    if granderson can make some adjustments at 28 or 29 why can’t tex??

    the all or nothing approach is playing with fire especially in the post season..

  76. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    I?ve looked ? and it?s nothing to call attention to.

    Yup.

    I take AGon, Miggy, Votto, Konerko, and Prince over Tex on a daily basis without batting an eye at the loss of defense. It’s not like those guys cant field their position, they just don’t make the dazzling plays he makes. All are far supieror players to him offensively and the loss of defense is neg in my opinion.

    ————

    Besides the pitcher and catcher what player on the field handles the ball more than the 1b? Answer: None.

    You might not miss the sparkling plays Tex makes when the ball is hit to him, but if you replace him with those guys you mentioned above you’re also making Derek, Cano and Alex worse defensively as well.

    Tex’s range allows Cano to range more up the middle to compensate for Derek, his glove saves offline throws from Jeter and Alex at least once a game.

  77. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    In 2009 about 40 people finished with a BA of over .300. In 2010, it was about half of that. This year thus far, only 22 people are batting over .300

    How many are in the high, to very high mid .290s? Maybe another 30 who have a shot? 40? 50?

  78. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    if they cannot move tex to 5th until arod get’s back it is even more important that tex increase his obp/ba. therefore he needs to think about adjusting to the endless offspeed pitches and forget about the homers which he has not hit in about 80 ab’s.

    girardi does not like to lump all lefties or righties together in the lineup for late innings in case the other team brings in a LOOGY etc. I disagree with that . i believe they manage early in the game for late inning situations that may or may not occur. I say obsese less about lefty right etc in the lineup, bat you better hitters higher up and end the story.

    ————–

    Well my friend then I suggest you send your resume to Cashman and get Girardi’s job. Because Girardi isn’t going to go with that, you said so yourself.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I am not saying Tex is a bad ballplayer he is still a very good ballplayer, but to be blind to his diminishing performance four years in a room as he heads further into his 30′s is ignoring reality IMO.

    What can we do about it? Not much, as he is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million a year. just be aware of it and look at where he is hitting in the batting order and temper expectations as to him returning to his 26-28 year old performance level.

  80. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    How old is Tex? 30?31?
    You guys will climb on any excuse wagon you can find for some of these guys.
    Why not just say he sucks right now, has shown himself to steadily drop in performance, and needs to do something to turn his career back around?

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    sic – in a row

  82. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    tex is phenomenal fielder no question about it. but he is hitting 3rd in the lineup and his ba and obp are hurting the team. that is my only point…

    he is not 37, he is 30 or 31, he can adjust and improve his ba and obp…if he cut down on his swing, did not sit dead red every pitch it would help. if he adjusts and then the league goes back to the way they use to pitch him then of course make an adjustment again…

    not many teams 3rd hitter is hitting 240 in this league…..

  83. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    You might not miss the sparkling plays Tex makes when the ball is hit to him, but if you replace him with those guys you mentioned above you?re also making Derek, Cano and Alex worse defensively as well.

    AGon loses absolutely no ground to Tex with a glove. They’re both outstanding.

  84. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    “…..his glove saves offline throws from Jeter and Alex at least once a game.”

    Point taken but Derek and Alex making 162 errors combined in a season if not for Tex would take some work to convince me of.

  85. I Am Winning July 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Howard,

    You’ve got to be joking. Obviously some that are hitting .300 now will end the season below .300, and some that are batting under .300 will end the season in .300. In no way am I, which you are obviously doing, will predict who finishes the season with a BA over .300. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but .300 is that “magic” mark. Just as the (.200) Mendoza line is known to be notoriously bad.

    I can’t believe you’re making an argument that 70 people might finish batting over .300. Unbelievable. I’m not wasting anymore of my time with your nonsense.

  86. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    WCYF – His 2008 and 2009 were unsustainable good seasons, that’s why your 4 year trend looks bad, no other reason.

    If you look at his WHOLE CAREER, you will see that last year is who Teixeira really is, not the 2008 or 2009 Teixeira.

    *****************

    You are not taking into account Tex’s age and the inevitable decline that comes with it.

    —————

    He’s in his early 30s – that’s not exactly over-the-hill.

    By the way – he’s second on the team in HR, RBI, BB and fourth in 2b

  87. JobaTipsHisCap July 22nd, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Tex needs 100AB for his next HR

  88. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    You might not miss the sparkling plays Tex makes when the ball is hit to him, but if you replace him with those guys you mentioned above you?re also making Derek, Cano and Alex worse defensively as well.

    AGon loses absolutely no ground to Tex with a glove. They’re both outstanding.

    ————–

    That’s true – Tex is top 3 1b behind Pujols and right there with Gonzo. I was remarking on defense to Miggy, Votto and Prince.

  89. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    That’s not what I said at all. You can’t read? I just asked how many of them are in the high or mid .290s?
    You just assumed I was inferring that they’re all going to go above the .300 mark, right?

    You can’t believe the argument, becuase I’m not making it. You imagined it. I’m saying that they’re are probably fifty guys with a chance to finish in the .290s.

  90. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    WCYF – All I’m trying to make you realize is that you are starting the “trend” of his career at a meaningless point during a 3 year period where he significantly outperformed his own determinate metrics.

    Just because some players peak at 28 doesn’t mean all of them do. Trying to wedge Teixeira’s (or any player for that matter) career into some cookie-cutter formula for deciding when he should be good and when he should be declining is pointless and wrong.

    2007-2009 was extremely high level production from Teixeira, he also had BABIP’s over .200 in each of those seasons. This is completely unsustainable by someone as slow as he is. Saying that he hasn’t continued his over-production for the last 2 years doesn’t mean anything.

  91. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    I am not saying Tex is a bad ballplayer he is still a very good ballplayer, but to be blind to his diminishing performance four years in a room as he heads further into his 30?s is ignoring reality IMO.

    What can we do about it? Not much, as he is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million a year. just be aware of it and look at where he is hitting in the batting order and temper expectations as to him returning to his 26-28 year old performance level.

    ————-

    So long story short – there was no point to bringing this up other than that, as a fan, you find it to be your duty to find things to be unhappy about?

  92. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I?m not wasting anymore of my time with your nonsense.

    Whew.

  93. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    oops, BABIPS over .300

  94. I Am Winning July 22nd, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    For those that say Tex sucks, what do you want to do?

    Drop him from the team, and let another team sign him?

    Trade for Gonzalez?

    If neither, than what is the purpose of whining about this player? Nobody is bringing any sort of intelligent argument as to how to solve this issue.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Chip – I said above Tex is still a very good ballplayer; all I am saying is that after seeing a steady four year decline fans might want to temper their expectations somewhat as he seems to be in decline to me.

    A players prime is accepted to be around 28 so a decline starting at 31 is not totally unexpected. Look at what happened to Andruw Jones from age 30 on.

  96. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    martin is hitting 215 that stinks but if he hits 8th or 9th it is not a team destroyer.

    tex hitting in the low 240′s and hitting 3rd really hurts… tex power #’s are still OK . His team #’s relative to his teammates are decent but that is misleading the yanks have 3 players doing horribly and arod is hurt. jorge, jeter, and martin are terrible offensively and that is not an overstatement. also gardner is a singles hit speed guy so of course his power #’s are going to be laughable. therefore on this team tex’s #’s still look good but that is misleading..

    swishers performance is a b, grandy has a a offensive performance, gardner has a b+ offensive performance, cano has a b performance(especially based on his ability), and the rest are c’s or worse….jorge is a d or f for a DH, martin a c maybe because catchers offensive #’s are so dreadful it is scary, jeter is marco scutaro or league avg. in a league where shortstops cannot hit……

  97. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    According to Rumor-R-us the Yankee’s wish list includes the following :

    A SP

    A Righty bat

    A lefty BP arm

    Not necessarily in that order.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    I am not saying Tex is a bad ballplayer he is still a very good ballplayer, but to be blind to his diminishing performance four years in a room as he heads further into his 30?s is ignoring reality IMO.

    What can we do about it? Not much, as he is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million a year. just be aware of it and look at where he is hitting in the batting order and temper expectations as to him returning to his 26-28 year old performance level.

    ————-

    So long story short – there was no point to bringing this up other than that, as a fan, you find it to be your duty to find things to be unhappy about?

    ************

    That’s ridiculous Chip, you are better than that. Countless fans have been talking about Tex’s performance here for a long time now and I was contributing my opinion. I didn’t bring it up. I am not on a mission to dis Tex, I like the guy a lot. He’s a great defensive ballplayer who hits home runs – I am just pointing out he has been in a steady decline that’s all.

  99. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    For those that say Tex sucks, what do you want to do?

    yeah, we covered that. Nobody here said he sucks, just that he’s trending in the wrong direction and isn’t what he was. And to be honest, is an all or nothing impact player at this time, and needs to figure out how to go back to the old Mark.

  100. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I Am Winning July 22nd, 2011 at 1:02 pm
    For those that say Tex sucks, what do you want to do?

    Drop him from the team, and let another team sign him?

    Trade for Gonzalez?

    If neither, than what is the purpose of whining about this player? Nobody is bringing any sort of intelligent argument as to how to solve this issue.

    —————

    I concur.

    Though I don’t think it’s an issue that needs solving. They’ll get through this season and Long and Tex will likely have a conversation about some changes for this winter and maybe even work on some things. It’s fine.

  101. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Look at what happened to Andruw Jones from age 30 on.

    Drug testing??? Come on, man.

  102. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    ID and Chip,

    So you are content with the fact that Tex is the 2nd highest paid position player in MLB, yet just two years into his contract there are probably 7 players at his own position that are better than him?

  103. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    I am not saying Tex is a bad ballplayer he is still a very good ballplayer, but to be blind to his diminishing performance four years in a room as he heads further into his 30?s is ignoring reality IMO.

    What can we do about it? Not much, as he is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million a year. just be aware of it and look at where he is hitting in the batting order and temper expectations as to him returning to his 26-28 year old performance level.

    ————-

    So long story short – there was no point to bringing this up other than that, as a fan, you find it to be your duty to find things to be unhappy about?

    ************

    That’s ridiculous Chip, you are better than that. Countless fans have been talking about Tex’s performance here for a long time now and I was contributing my opinion. I didn’t bring it up. I am not on a mission to dis Tex, I like the guy a lot. He’s a great defensive ballplayer who hits home runs – I am just pointing out he has been in a steady decline that’s all.

    —————-

    I’m just saying I wouldn’t worry about it.

  104. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    if you complain about a players performance it does not mean you want to trade him or think he is terrible. is tex still a much better then league avg 1b? of course but his #’s right now even in the offensively down league are not elite..

    tex should be an elite player. they signed him at 28 not 33…

  105. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I think being content, and not being able to do anything about it are completely seperate in this case, LGY.
    No, he’s not the best (nor was he ever), but there is absolutely nothing the team, us, or anyone else can do about it. Just keep listening to his stupid mens store commercials, and enjoy the next five or six years.
    One thing is sure: we do not have to worry about him opting out. haha.

  106. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Teixeira is on pace to beat the 30HR and 100RBI marks that you are all clamoring for DESPITE the fact that he’s only batting .240 with a .223 BABIP.

    How do you look at that and say “man he’s awful” and not “man, he’s still producing fine and he could easily be so much better if some hits dropped in for him”?

    The shifts have been hurting his production, that’s for sure. He needs to go up the middle more batting lefty to stop them from cheating so much.

  107. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    offensively down league are not elite..

    Outside of HR, he’s actually right at about league average in most of them.

  108. bisonthrow July 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Great article on the magical Jesus Montero
    Those who doubt him should read it and those who think he will be good will be even more impressed

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune......um=twitter

  109. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    LGY – Yes, thats how most contracts work out.

  110. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    “His profile is a .260 – .270 hitter”

    ———————-

    BA/OBP

    03: .259/.331
    04: .281/.370
    05: .301/.379
    06: .282/.371
    07: .306/400
    08: .308/.410
    09: .292/.283
    10: .256/.365
    11: .240/.341

  111. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    It’s going to be extremely hot at gametime down on the field.

    Yuck.

    Fan and sports drink co’s. are gonna make a fortune.

    Monitor Hughes very carefully.

    It was a day like that in Texas that Joba had his injury.

  112. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    LGY – Yes, thats how most contracts work out.

    —————-

    Which contracts?

    Most contracts you get one representative year like with Tex?

  113. MConti July 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    RAB had a comparison of stances a day or two ago for Teix. The biggest thing I see is that is far more open on the left side than he was with Anaheim in 08. It also looks like his hands are slightly farther away from his shoulder and a bit up. This may be because he was getting busted in so much he wanted more time to see and turn on the pitch. However, what it may be doing is causing him to collapse further on his back leg leading to an extreme uppercut versus the slight uppercut he had in Anaheim.

    The combination of factors not allowing his bat to stay through the zone long enough. When he gets on hot streaks its because everything is clicking at once and when he goes cold it is because so much has to go right in this current stance to hit the ball.

    Added to all this is the fact that pitchers aren’t throwing as many straight fastballs (everything is cut now) which may be making it harder for him to have prolonged hot streaks.

  114. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    I would take Pujols, Cabrera, Votta, and Gonzalez ahead of Teixera right now. That’s about it. What worries me is a couple of years from now if he doesn’t make some adjustments to his LH swing.

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Teixeira is on pace to beat the 30HR and 100RBI marks that you are all clamoring for DESPITE the fact that he’s only batting .240 with a .223 BABIP.

    How do you look at that and say “man he’s awful” and not “man, he’s still producing fine and he could easily be so much better if some hits dropped in for him”?

    *************

    Just to clarify, I never said he was awful, he’s a very good ballplayer, just that he is in an age related decline which won’t reverse itself. Just one man’s opinion.

  116. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    ID and Chip,

    So you are content with the fact that Tex is the 2nd highest paid position player in MLB, yet just two years into his contract there are probably 7 players at his own position that are better than him?

    ———–

    In your opinion 7. In my opinion there are only 2 1b better than him: Pujols and A-Gone and both those guys will have bigger (or as big) AAVs as Tex next year. The rumored Gonzalez deal will pay him 22 mil/year which is what Tex makes and who knows what Albert will get but my guess is that it will be much higher.

    In any case, I find it to be nonsense. I think the three highest paid outfielders are Vernon Wells, Carl Crawford and Alfonso Soriano – being paid the most doesn’t always mean that you’re the best player. Just means you have a good agent.

  117. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    his glove saves offline throws from Jeter and Alex at least once a game.

    ——————–

    You are saying that Tex saves at least one error per game?

    Nonsense.

  118. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    LGY – 4 of those years are with .300+ BABIP’s. His LD/GB/FB rates say .260, not .300, you know this better than most… why are you posing a list of results and not the underlying stats that you can derive expected BA from?

  119. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Great article on the magical Jesus Montero
    Those who doubt him should read it and those who think he will be good will be even more impressed

    More hype that the kid is struggling to live up to. I think Jesus would be better if everyone stopped these stupid articles about how great he is and how great he will be, and just let him develop like a normal player. Let him learn his craft and grow into himself. This is exactly why NY doesn’t develop players anymore….there’s so much hype surrounding every single player they draft that when they stuggle just a little, the bloom comes off the rose quickly.
    Phil Hughes won 18 games, granted a lot of them were on the offense, but so many people have jumped ship on him becuase he was supposed to be the next golden child.
    Let Montero learn his job.

  120. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    WCYF – I didn’t mean you said he was awful, it was more of a general sentiment. He’s on pace for one of the highest HR marks of his career, in a season where he has an abnormally low BABIP (.223). I’ll take that kind of decline to the bank every day.

  121. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    LGY – 4 of those years are with .300+ BABIP’s. His LD/GB/FB rates say .260, not .300, you know this better than most… why are you posing a list of results and not the underlying stats that you can derive expected BA from?

    ——————-

    xBABIP is not reliable at all.

    Until coming to the Yankees Tex hadn’t been a .260-270 hitter since his rookie year. At worst the Yankees thought they were signing a .280 hitter.

    In any event, I don’t even care that much about his BA. His OBP is atrocious for a player of his caliber.

  122. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    hitting 3rd for the yanks and getting 102 rbi’s in my opinion is not a great accomplishment.

    260 to me sounds a lot better then 240(barley) and those addtl 10 to 16 hits would help the team a ton….

  123. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I would take Pujols, Cabrera, Votta, and Gonzalez ahead of Teixera right now. That?s about it. What worries me is a couple of years from now if he doesn?t make some adjustments to his LH swing

    Agreed.

  124. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    his glove saves offline throws from Jeter and Alex at least once a game.

    ——————–

    You are saying that Tex saves at least one error per game?

    Nonsense.

    ————

    A compelling retort.

    Keeping in mind that errors are based on the opinion of the official scorer I would say it’s maybe 1 error every 1.75 games.

  125. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    and of course there are the throws he picks on Double Plays which wouldn’t be considered errors because you can’t assume the double play…

  126. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis?

  127. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    What worries me is a couple of years from now if he doesn?t make some adjustments to his LH swing

    Maybe he can schedule a few weeks with Long in the winter, and just learn to go the other way, so when spring training comes around we can all wait in anticipation of seeing him jeter the ball to the opposite field.

    oh, wait..

  128. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis?

    No.

  129. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    A compelling retort.

    Keeping in mind that errors are based on the opinion of the official scorer I would say it’s maybe 1 error every 1.75 games.

    ———————–

    What would you like me to say? Thinking that Tex saves that many errors is complete nonsense.

    These are major league baseball players. Other than Eduardo Nunez they can throw the ball on a line and catch the ball.

    I mean seriously. The Yankees had a bunch of 1B before Tex and the error totals from Jeter and Alex were not even close to what you are saying.

    With Giambi over there it wasn’t even in the realm of what you are saying. It’s complete and utter nonsense.

  130. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis?

    —————-

    Well since I don’t anticipate Tex getting caught up in a steroid controversy or missing huge chunks of time because of physical ailments related to steroid use…no.

  131. yankee21 July 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    TEX is a great defensive 1B with serious power who also possesses the ability to get on base. When the Yankees signed him at 23 mil/yr long term they thought he would bring a .280 average with him in that package. It hasn’t happened. He has become mesmerized by the short deck in RF and become a worse hitter for it.

    The frustration I have with the team is not so much singularly someone like TEX, or Jeter, or Posada, or whomever chump of the week it is… it is really more about the signals and BS interviews that consistently are given by Cashman and Girardi that the offense is not a problem and that the hitters are not a problem, it is if they are refusing to deal in reality and just hoping that Jeter can approximate his career norms or Posada can somehow not fall off the cliff right now or when we get such and such back etc it will be like adding an impact bat from a trade… it is if they are turning a blind eye to the fact this is a very flawed offensive team despite the overall numbers and they are too damn fearful to tackle it head on and to call a spade, a spade. And by spade I am talking about guys not performing and by spade having the guts to make tough decisions which by the way includes legends like Posada.

    Sorry for the long winded comment but my frustration is really with Girardi and Cashman and any of the front office humps who are insisting not to rock the boat, if I had faith that Cashman and Girardi considered winning as the real goal and not placating egos as the real goal and winning as the publicized goal..,then I’d have confidence that Posada and Tex and Jeter and the chump of the week would be handled right.

  132. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Gardner on mkbradio now.

  133. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Just heard a stat on MLB.

    The Red Sox are hitting nearly exactly the same versus lefties as righties. So much for all the “lefty heavy” stuff (so far anyhow) Right around .280 against both as a team.
    I don’t think they’ll get Beltran to help that…there isn’t a problem there.

  134. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    A compelling retort.

    Keeping in mind that errors are based on the opinion of the official scorer I would say it’s maybe 1 error every 1.75 games.

    ———————–

    What would you like me to say? Thinking that Tex saves that many errors is complete nonsense.

    These are major league baseball players. Other than Eduardo Nunez they can throw the ball on a line and catch the ball.

    I mean seriously. The Yankees had a bunch of 1B before Tex and the error totals from Jeter and Alex were not even close to what you are saying.

    With Giambi over there it wasn’t even in the realm of what you are saying. It’s complete and utter nonsense.

    —————

    That’s just it though – Giambi wasn’t over there. The Yankees had to bring in guys like Doug Meighoeuroeawitz and Jon Olerud or play Miguel Cairo over there because Giambi was such a butcher with the glove and because he wasn’t mobile enough to pick up throws from Jeter or Alex across the diamond.

  135. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    09: .292/.283

    ========

    LGY,
    Never seen an OBP lower than a batting avg.. Strange.

  136. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    “…He’s on pace for one of the highest HR marks of his career…”

    *******************************

    Tex has 0 home runs and 4 RBI’s in his last 70 AB.

  137. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    LGY – Then forget xBABIP for a minute…

    He’s 70 points under his actual career BABIP.
    His BA is 40 points under his career BA.
    His BB% is directly on pace with his career BB%.

    What exactly do you think is effecting his OBP this season?

  138. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    WCYF – Thank you for more meaningless sample sizes. Come on.

  139. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    You think 70 AB is meaningless. So is pace then isn’t it?

  140. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis

    ——-

    Yes.

  141. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    LGY, Never seen an OBP lower than a batting avg.. Strange.

    ——-

    :P

  142. Tar July 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    “yet just two years into his contract there are probably 7 players at his own position that are better than him?”

    Even if that were true (7) you are taking a snapshot of a moment in time. That is not the right way to look at it. How many have been better than him since he signed his contract?

    He can have an awful year offensively, get hot at the right time and carry the team in the post-season.

    If you want to talk about his contract and who is better, I think you have to wait until his contract is over. Than talk about who was better than him during his contractual time frame.

  143. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    and if you look at the errors by Alex and Jeter they dropped dramatically since the Yankees signed Tex.

  144. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    could one of the reasonsTexs babip be so low is that tex hits into the shift all the time and is popping up at a high rate because he is pull happy and getting killed on offspeed pitches. in other words his babip is low because of his deficiencies not bad luck???

  145. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    How many have been better than him since he signed his contract?

    4

  146. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    What exactly do you think is effecting his OBP this season?

    ——-

    His fly ball rates continue to increase, he hits an insane amount of infield flies, and he can’t beat the shift.

    If he can’t get hits he needs to find a way to walk more.

  147. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Well for those who think the end is here for Tex take heart. Jose Bautista is only a year younger than Tex and all of a sudden he’s gone from being a useless bench guy to an MVP candidate.

  148. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    WCYF – Why look at 70 at bats when there are 400 available? It’s just another arbitrary cutoff you are trying to use to who a trend that does not exist.

  149. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    “Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis”

    They have already won a WS with Tex…..so no, not right now. However, I can see Tex have an early sharp decline offensively if he continues as he is. He can contribute defensively thoug whereas Giambi coukd not. The Tex deal will be better I believe.

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    and if you look at the errors by Alex and Jeter they dropped dramatically since the Yankees signed Tex.

    ********

    Couldn’t agree more, Tex is an unbelievably good defensive ballplayer.

  151. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    He can have an awful year offensively, get hot at the right time and carry the team in the post-season.

    We’re waiting.

  152. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    LGY – If he can’t get hits he needs to find a way to walk more.

    Is that a serious statement?

  153. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    and if you look at the errors by Alex and Jeter they dropped dramatically since the Yankees signed Tex.

    —–

    Define dramatically.

  154. stuart a July 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    tex contract will not be worse then giambi’s for 2 main reasons. he is a much better fielder then giambi and that may diminish but giamby was such a negative at first and the durability angle.

    giambi obviously suffered many injuries that may be attributed to PED’s and I doubt tex went down that path.

    giambi when juiced had better #’s in oakland but of course he could not keep that up..

  155. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Why look at 70 at bats when there are 400 available? It?s just another arbitrary cutoff you are trying to use to who a trend that does not exist.

    Sure it exists. It just exists in a smaller time frame than you’d like to acknowledge, but nonetheless, it exists.

  156. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    LGY –If he can’t get hits he needs to find a way to walk more. Is that a serious statement?

    ——-

    Absolutely. Plenty of ball players adjust their approach to walk more if they start declining at the plate.

  157. Tar July 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    “We’re waiting.’

    I bet you were waiting for Granderson as well.

  158. disco stu July 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Will the tex contract in the end be worse than Giambis?

    Definitely not … Tex was a huge part of the 2009 WS championship team (Giambi never won a ring), he is arguably the best defensive first baseman in baseball (Giambi was brutal), and there is no evidence that Tex is beginning to break down from the related steroid use the way Giambi did … so no way.

    Plus, Tex may be just a few mechanical adjustments away from regaining his form … Giambi was basically done as a premier hitter by the end of 2003.

  159. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:29 pm
    What exactly do you think is effecting his OBP this season?

    ——-

    His fly ball rates continue to increase, he hits an insane amount of infield flies, and he can’t beat the shift.

    If he can’t get hits he needs to find a way to walk more.

    ————–

    He’s having a bad year…poop happens. He’s not the only good offensive player struggling.

    My theory is that ball players don’t miss steroids as much as they do uppers.

  160. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    LGY – A 3% increase in fly balls is not significant, and has not caused his OBP to drop 60 points. .220 BABIP is all you have to look at to know why he hasn’t been “on-base” or “getting hits”. Blaming it on anything else is just dishonest and looking for excuses.

  161. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    “Well for those who think the end is here for Tex take heart. Jose Bautista is only a year younger than Tex and all of a sudden he’s gone from being a useless bench guy to an MVP candidate.”

    He went through drastic swing changes…..maybe Tex should do the same. I like Teixera a lot as a player but he has one of the worst fundamental swings in baseball from the left side……its a testament to how talented and strong he is that he’s been an all star caliber player and is on a HOF pace.

  162. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    WCYF – Why look at 70 at bats when there are 400 available? It’s just another arbitrary cutoff you are trying to use to who a trend that does not exist.

    *************

    Because, if you are talking “pace” which you were, a 70 AB zero long ball stretch is meaningful. On June 30th Tex had 25 home runs. On July 22nd Tex has 25 home runs.

    If by game 80 Tex had 25 home runs, is he on a pace to hit 50? Do you think he will hit 50?

  163. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    LGY – Show me these players that “decided to walk more” when their BABIP dropped…

  164. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Gotta run.

  165. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    “My theory is that ball players don’t miss steroids as much as they do uppers.”

    You might be right. Maybe they’re not eating well because of it.

    A little young for dentures though.

    ;)

  166. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I bet you were waiting for Granderson as well

    Yes, I was. So was every single other team he ever played for and his knack for consistently underperforming.

    So yeah, I’ll admit it, Granderson is a surprise to me. Let’s just see how this season ends for him…he’s already on pace to break every single career mark he’s ever had.

  167. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 pm
    and if you look at the errors by Alex and Jeter they dropped dramatically since the Yankees signed Tex.

    —–

    Define dramatically.

    =====

    Sorry – dropped steadily (happier?)

  168. G-C July 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    “He’s having a bad year…poop happens. He’s not the only good offensive player struggling.”

    ____________________________________

    Last year was pretty bad for his standards too.

    One year of this, you can live with and chalk it up to bad luck.

    Two years in a row of precipitous offensive decline, marked by an inability to hit hard line drives with any kind of consistency, is really, really scary.

    I don’t want to say Tex is done as an elite player yet, but if he keeps this up for much longer it will become impossible to ignore.

    Cashman may very well have to consider that deal an albatross this offseason and look to upgrade the offense in ways that he may have never conceivably imagined (wink wink Albert Pujols).

    Its an absolutely stunning turn of events considering that just 18 months ago people really believed that the Texieira signing had completely shifted the balance of power in the AL East.

    Now, its become the type of deal that could certainly shift the balance of power- in the other direction!

  169. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Blake-

    You ready to help me jack up the Bus again ?

    :)

  170. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Granderson made swing adjustments as well…..

  171. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    blake – He went through drastic swing changes No he did not. His timing mechanism (as referred to by scouts and other players) started to work, that’s about it.

    WCYF – A 70 at bat stretch does not mean that’s his new rates of hitting HR’s, especially when taking the other 5000 at-bats of data into consideration. That’s why you don’t use small sample sizes like 70 at-bats to determine… well… anything. Even with that 70 at bat stretch of no power, his season pace remains at 42 HR’s. Will it be 38? Will it be 45? Who cares. It won’t be 30, and that seems to be what you are attempting to prove by this tiny 70 at-bat sample.

  172. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    MTU,

    Sure man :)

  173. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Blake-

    Thanks. It’s getting to be time.

    ;)

  174. Tar July 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    “Yes, I was”

    My point was Grandy had an awful year offensively last year. Yet he played great defense and got hot at the right time.

    The Yankees are going to make the post season this year, even if Tex continues his offensive struggles. So I will take his GG defense and him getting hot when the team really needs him too. IMO there is a very good chance of that happening.

  175. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    ID,

    Watch some video of old Bautista and new Bautist…..it’s pretty significant how much more coil and how much more torque and bat speed he produces now…..

  176. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Earlier in the year MLB tonight had a side by side of Bautista from now and a couple of years ago….it’s night and day. He was all arm back then….small leg kick, didn’t use his lower half at all.

  177. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    G-C – he’s not really that far off of his career line drive numbers (last year he was right on them). Not far enough to cause any of these results.

    The only determinate statistic of Teixeira’s that is actually significantly off pace is his BABIP. Whether its the shift or something else, his plate approach is realistically no different than it ever has been. People just seem to think it is because the hits aren’t dropping in for him. This is why “watching the game” while ignoring the information available to you is not a better way of doing anything.

  178. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    blake – the knock on Bautista was always the timing mechanism with his front foot. Now that he got the timing down he has been able to swing harder and that’s what kicked off this ridiculous production. His swing doesn’t actually look different to me other than the fact that he swings with more confidence.

  179. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    ID,

    he’s starting his swing sooner and the timing issue is a factor as well but he’s still swinging the bat differently than he was 3 years ago.

  180. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseba.....oing_deep/

    They did change something with the way he starts his swing apparently, I wasn’t really looking for that so I didn’t notice it.

  181. vinslol July 22nd, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    man, when tex is struggling like this I’d almost rather see sado i nthat slot..wouldn’t happen obviously

    I just remember that game against boston, even against lester he was getting pitches to hit and making things work because of who batted behind him. tex whiffs at pitches off the plate or in the dirt. sado might not swing but at least he doesn’t look like he’s going gopher hunting :)

  182. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    The shift is killing Tex and taking hits away from him…..this is where BABIP is misleading because it would suggest he’s having bad luck…..what’s really happening is that .40 points of his average were hit into the teeth of the shift and his swing from the left side won’t allow him to hit a ground ball between SS and 3B

  183. FanSince1948 July 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    If Tex would stop challenging the extreme shift he faces as a lefty hitter and hit to the other 1/2 of the field, this discussion would probably not be taking place (unless it’s a REALLY slow day).

  184. FanSince1948 July 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Sniped by Blake – right on!

  185. Betsy July 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Ugh, My 9 – that means no post-game……

    If I were Hughes, I’d try to be as freaking efficient as possible. It’s beyond brutal today – it’s like an oven.

  186. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    ID,

    yes, load is different, leg kick is different, he’s firing his hips more. All that may start with his timing but it’s still a change in the chain of events that happens from the moment the pitch is released and your hands go back to load up.

  187. Niblick July 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Somebody should just tell Tex to stop the ridiculous wiggling and the absurd open stance. If he would pay attention to some basic fundamentals, he’d be better off.

  188. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Blake-

    Are you angling for Long’s job ?

    :)

  189. Tar July 22nd, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    I do agree about the shift. He needs to find a way to break it.

  190. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Giambi played a not insignificant amount of games at 1st base for the Yankees, Chip. Remember that he hated Dhing saying it affected his hitting? I find it dubious to say that Tex says 1 error per game. I’d be more willing to believe he takes away 1 hit per game.

  191. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    MTU,

    I’d quit my job tomorrow for Long’s job…..problem is that I’m not sure what I’d do when I got fired :)

  192. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    I’m trying to figure out if Teixeira has ever really “gone the other way” from the LH side… I don’t think he really has. That’s usually how you end up getting shifted on. What he needs to do is pick a side and stop pretending to be a switch hitter.

  193. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Tar-

    If big Sloppy can do it so can Tex.

    ;)

  194. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Ugh, My 9 – that means no post-game……
    ========================
    always on YES after a MY9 game….

  195. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    “What he needs to do is pick a side and stop pretending to be a switch hitter.”

    That’s easier said than done when you’ve been as successful as he has and haven’t hit RHP from the right side in forever.

  196. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Somebody should just tell Tex to stop the ridiculous wiggling and the absurd open stance. If he would pay attention to some basic fundamentals, he’d be better off.
    =====================================
    Tex going Hollywood again, Entourage, might be breaking his concentration for his full time job as a ballplayer.

  197. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    omg his concentration! his psyche! he didn’t eat his wheaties! someone called him fat! get out the shrink, teixeira couldn’t possibly be a 31 year old man.

  198. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I don’t think anyone is saying that Tex is garbage. What most of us are saying is he’s been a huge disappointment in the middle of the lineup most of this season. He’s not playing to the level of the contract he signed or the place he occupies in the batting order.

    The 3 spot in the Yankees batting order was hallowed ground. Since Tex has taken it over it’s not the same Cano should be occupying it since he has a better ability to get a hit. Turning the 3 spot into an on base/walk spot over hitting ability doesn’t look to be working to the naked eye.

    The other thing is Tex has been trending downward the past 4 years. The numbers are there. If he settles in as a .240 hitter with power the Yankees will be forced to sign another 20 million dollar offensive start to compensate for the lack of offense from Tex.

    If he doesn’t wake up this season and power this team to the post season they will talk to Pujols and Prince Fielder about joining the team.

    They may even go to Pujols and ask him if he wants to spilt DH/some 1b/ some 3b if they give him the money and put him into a rotation with Arod and Tex.

    Tex is not playing like the middle of the order hitter he was 4 years ago and he’s too young to be going through an age related decline.

    All anyone wants him to do is show some consistency. The excuse that the rest of baseball offense is down and not showing consistency shouldn’t apply to supposed star players in their prime. Considering all you hear is that pitching is garbage and no one has pitching how do you explain Texeira looking this bad at the plate for the past month?

    He’s paid to be a force. The hitter teams fear to face. Ever since Boston rolled into YS and drilled him to stop his last hot streak, he’s been a shell of the player he’s capable of.

  199. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    The more I read Twitter, side of forum, the more I ask WHY?

  200. Yank 97 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Tex this year might not even out OPS Giambi in the final year of his contract when he was 37.

    He might not even out-average him, believe it or not.

  201. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Remember what Long said? You can’t start changing things until the hitter is ready. Long worked with both Jeter and Teix over the winter. They immediately went back to what they did before in a more exagerated fashion.

    Jeter is totally mind boggling – his bat is all over the place in the set up and he’s rolling over on low outside pitches at a horrendous pace. How he does this with his hailed inside out swing boggles the mind.

  202. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I have a solution!!! Tex has 2 choices.

    1. Change his stance to the Brian Downing one(open) where he sees the ball with both eyes.
    2. Doug Decences stance(front foot way in closer to the plate than back) where he cant possibly hit into the shift.

    Long take notes!

  203. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    How he does this with his hailed inside out swing boggles the mind.

    He reverted back to his messed up toe tap that ties him up.

  204. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    GiraRDI loves a switcher in the 3 spot but conventional wisdom puts your best hitter there yet he hates to change lineups yet he likes tweaking it in spots and attributes grandy’s success to batting 2nd. Future lineup should feature gardy and grandy up top, jeter down to 6th or 7th for posada maybe next year.

  205. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Ever since Boston rolled into YS and drilled him to stop his last hot streak, he’s been a shell of the player he’s capable of.
    ======================
    Mission accomplished.

  206. REZ12 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    This begs the question… was Tex one of those guys who got ‘help’ and is now declining earlier than normal? He was also suspected… though that might be because he was on those Rangers teams.

    It’s simply unbelievable that a guy who is regarded as a gym rat who spends so much time in the cage and working with K. Long and who is a tireless worker can decline so much. It’s not like Giambi who we know used steroids and didn’t care much for his body in the later years anyway. Even the post-steroid Giambi is outperforming this guy.

  207. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    If he doesn’t wake up this season and power this team to the post season they will talk to Pujols and Prince Fielder about joining the team.
    ===========================
    Could probably fetch a top notch pitcher but would have to pick up some of that contract

  208. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Jeter has been pulling the ball a lot more and really hitting the ball with more authority for awhile now….he’s a feel hitter and therefore changes are difficult for him because it just feels weird. Arod is constantly tinkering with his swing and its more conventional so he’s much more comfortable changing things and adapting….

  209. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Hitting mantra has always been simplify, less moving parts, balanced base, hitting slot, etc. This is what Long preaches, unfortunately he’s not preaching to the choir. The two culprits are “I’M Jeter or I’M Teix and you’re not”.

  210. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Long doesn’t have 3,000 hits or as many homers as Tex does…..those guys have to want him to help them and feel comfortable with the changes or they’ll do more harm than good. Jeter has never hit conventionally….he’s got one of the weirdest swings in baseball but it has worked for him….but because its unconventional and because it’s what he’s so used to…..things that would most guys may not apply to him.

  211. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    why not demote tex to cleanup but alex will be back in a week or so

  212. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I understand why people are so frustrated with Tex at the plate. What annoys me is that he seems unwilling to try something new. When what you are doing is not working for this long a period of time, isn’t it time to think out of the box and try something different? Look at what it did for Granderson to have Long tweak his swing. Tex needs to get rid of that uppercut swing. It’s more miss than hit. He also has to start hitting to the left side so that maybe teams won’t deploy that shift so often.

  213. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    mick,

    They can’t trade Tex. He has a no trade clause and already said there is no way he would waive it. Even if the Yankees signed Pujols and told Tex he was DH he probably wouldn’t waive it. Unless he decides he wants out of NY, he’s not going anywhere.

    That said, the Yankees can try to sign a Pujols or Prince as a DH with promises to get some time at 1b. They had Cecil Fielder and Tino at the same time once.

    With Pujols you could put him at 3b once a week to let Arod DH and put him at 1b once a week and let Tex DH if he were agreeable to that.

    Pure speculation. It’s just possible that the owners are going to look at Tex’s offensive regression since coming here and panic move/sign one of the top free agents who also play 1b.

  214. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    many of these guys are less concerned with BA and more focused on power numbers

  215. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    G.Love,
    I mentioned Pujols earlier this week. Have the three rotate from 1st, dh and 3rd. It keeps everyone fresh and makes it the most lethal lineup in all of baseball.

  216. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    g love

    you get pujols or fielder and tex will waive that no trade or start hitting like he can.

  217. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    ideal order right now is cano-tex-grandy
    it lengthens it and gives grandy more rbi opps

  218. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Some information in an article on Montero. Maybe it helps put his “struggles” in line with his “struggles last year. Here are two of the paragraphs, followed be the full article.

    “No, this was not the easiest of weeks for Montero, nor has it been the easiest of seasons. He’s hitting .281 (which, among Yankees who have more than 100 at-bats, is fourth-best on the team. His home run total is down, but it’s not that far down from where it was a year ago at this time (he had 10 last July 21, and this year, he has eight). His average is actually higher than it was at this point a season ago, but he’s five RBIs shy of where he was at this point last year.”

    “1.) Mike Piazza was not a great defensive catcher. But his bat was so good, and his work ethic so strong, that he figured out a way to stay behind the plate. Say what you want about Montero, but he has worked and worked to catch. There are plenty of areas — his release is faster, he catches pop-ups better and, his game-calling is improving — that he has gotten better defensively. He still gets sloppy at times. He still needs work on his technique and he needs to become a more accurate thrower to second base. But he’s 21, and there’s a much greater chance that, if he works the way he does at it, he’s going to get better than there is that he’s going to stagnate or regress. Will he ever be Johnny Bench? No. Of course not. But someone on Twitter told me recently that he’s not even as good defensively as Jorge Posada. But he’s 21. To me, that’s like saying my son in kindergarten is never going to be as good in science class as my son in seventh grade, because the kindergartener still thinks the sun is a planet. He’ll learn. Or, at least, he’ll have the chance to learn.

    2.) I’ve said it a few times. He’s 21. Know how many 21-year-olds have hit .305 with 23 homers and 81 RBIs and slugged .506 in their last six full months at Triple-A?

    None.

    Know how many 21-year-olds are even playing in the IL?

    Besides Montero, seven.

    Four are pitchers — Gwinnett’s Julio Teheran (who is 20 and the top prospect in baseball), injured Buffalo right-hander Jenrry Mejia, a right-hander from Pawtucket named Dennis Neuman and Charlotte lefty C.J. Riefenhauser, who was just called up and has never thrown a Triple-A pitch.

    That leaves three position players who are in Montero’s age bracket. All are shortstops.”

    Read the entire piece. It should open eyes, but, then there are a few blind fools everywhere.

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=11169

  219. REZ12 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    “Could probably fetch a top notch pitcher but would have to pick up some of that contract”

    Unfortunately, a writer jokingly asked him in ST about rumors that we might trade him to STL for Pujols at the deadline and he said he has a NTC for a reason and he isn’t waiving it at all. I believe he also said he would be “buried” in pinstripes, which is unfortunate for us if we want to trade him.

  220. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Thanks for the article GB.

  221. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Tex can sat what he wants if they get puljols or fielder and they dont want to dh he will grant a trade or be the dh

  222. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    tex can say

  223. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Thanks for the link GB…..I think you’re good pal Randy has said many times…..half of catching is “want to”……

    G. Love,

    I’d love to get Pujols but I just don’t see the current Yankee regime signing on to do that when they have Tex signed for so long….I don’t see Fielder either. What they will hope is that Tex makes some adjustments and improves and that Montero actually becomes that middle of the order bat that maybe Tex isn’t or won’t be in a couple of years. I think they’ll be all over Matt Kemp when he hits the market and I think if they were going to invest in a big name this winter that Jose Reyes makes a lot more sense than either of those two even though Derek is still playing very well defensively IMO…..

  224. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    From Frankie Piliere’s chat. Contains other questions pertaining to yankee prospects.

    “Comment From AJAJ: ]
    Although it’s just Short Season Class A, Yanks trio of Culver, Williams and Gumbs are looking very strong. What’s your take on these three?
    Friday July 22, 2011 1:13 AJ
    1:15 Frankie Piliere: Athletes that perform….there’s nothing better in the player development world. I really like Gumbs, maybe more than the other two. Outstanding athlete and really hitting the ball with authority. All 3 are long term projects I think, but the Yankees did very well with these 3. A lot of their athletes have flamed out quickly in the past and these guys are starting off great.”

    http://sbb.scout.com/2/1088000.html

  225. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    From the NY Times Magazine 6/26/11 by Michael Sokolove when he asked Rivera recently if as a pitcher, he can sense when a hitter is trying to compensate for lost bat speed.

    “Of course,” he said. “They try not to let you know. They try to cheat. They will open up quicker. Try to start their swing sooner. But there is no way you don’t see it. You see where they want a pitch, and you throw it somewhere different.”

    Now the article was about Jeter turning 37, an age for a professional athlete is nothing to celebrate. Rivera’s comments could also apply to the younger, Mark Teixeira.

  226. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Any time, guys. My pleasure.

  227. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Talking about trading Tex is dumb. It would be a horrible move for the Yankees. In order to deal him, they’d have to eat his salary since no team will trade for a .240 hitter at 23 million per year.

    The Yankees can’t eat his salary this soon in a guaranteed deal. That would be front office suicide.

    What they can do is decide if it’s worth overpaying another offensive star to take Tex’s place in the batting order and move Tex down to 5-6 in the order going forward.

    It would be pretty sad if the Yankees had to go that route as paying that kind of money to 2 players who play 1b and DH would hamstring the organization for years to come.

    That said, the owners want playoffs and full houses and if they determine Tex is not going to help them achieve those goals going forward, they may check and see if Pujols wants to come here and figure out where to play him in the process.

  228. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    pujols or fielder would be an upgrade

  229. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    That said, the owners want playoffs and full houses and if they determine Tex is not going to help them achieve those goals going forward, they may check and see if Pujols wants to come here and figure out where to play him in the process.
    ===============================
    g love i love your contradiction
    get pujols and then worry about tex
    paying some of tex contract shouldn’t effect the yanks bottom line as much as he will make for them

  230. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Final Box score of GCL Yankees

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....k_yanrok_1

  231. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Tex is also hitting 220 in 100 plus playoff at bats.

  232. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    5 years left at 22.5 is a lot of moolah
    to contradict myself

  233. yankee21 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    GB7,

    Thanks for posting that link regarding Montero. It really boggles my mind that it least publicly it doesn’t appear that NY decision makers truly value Montero, it’s as if he is just another goon who can hit a little but can’t catch worth a crap so he is trade bait.

    If Cashman moves Montero for anything less than an impact bat straight up, IMHO he is a fool and it will set this franchise back for a number of years.

  234. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    GB,

    have you see Dante or Culver play? Both have really been filling up the box scores lately…..I haven’t see either play but I like what the lines tell me about Dante Jr’s approach.

  235. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    21-

    IMO if they do trade him it’s more like for a high quality arm.

    That’s what he has been offered for in the past.

    Nothing says that might not change though.

    ;)

  236. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Blake-

    This year’s buzz seems to be over Z. Almonte, and Williams.

  237. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    GB-

    Thanks for the link on Montero. And to think I too thought the sun was a planet!!

    If the Yankees obtain another bat that should play full time, an OF’er for instance that can hit and play good defense, someone that can be used to allow the 4 OF’er to play most every day in OF or at DH, do the Yankees have the , you know what, to make Posada a bench player sometimes 1st baseman??

    Could that bat be Montero, playing catcher 3Xweek and DH’ing the rest?

  238. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    mick,

    If the Yankees try to trade Tex what team would take him near his salary? If the Yankees covered 15 million per year, they’d probably have takers. That would mean sending Tex plus 85 million to his new team. That’s not going to happen. Other teams would not feel any pressure to take on a large part of his salary not to mention he won’t waive his no trade clause. He could actually pick the team he gets dealt to using his no trade and then that team can tell the Yankees if you really want to deal him give us 75% of his contract in the trade or we won’t take him.

    Tex is not going anywhere. He makes too much money. Maybe in the last year of his deal if he’s performing poorly the Yankees will eat dollars to replace him, but with 5 additional to go at his salary they can’t pay him to play for another team.

    If he doesn’t step up this season though, I do see the potential for the front office to overreact and go out and pay Prince or Pujols to be the middle of the order bat they thought Tex would be.

    He’s not getting traded though.

  239. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Montero has to be in possible plans as a DH/BUC come Sept. into the playoffs esp if Posada continues at the current pace.
    No sense not utilizing your assets come crunch time.

  240. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    That would mean sending Tex plus 85 million to his new team.
    ===========================
    75 million. Texas or the Angels might consider it for less than that.
    Can’t see not going after Fielder or Puljols and keep Tex if you have to.

  241. yankee21 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    MTU- if NYY has to trade Montero then trade him for a high impact bat, less than 28 years old. Use your surplus of pitching and other position players if NYY feels compelled to go after a high impact arm. Not Montero.

  242. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Blake.

    Only saw Culver once or twice last year right after he signed, but, his numbers are pretty impressive for an 18 year old hitting in the #2 spot. Williams is hitting #1 and gumbs at #3. All the same age and playing every day. They should be growing up together in the system. The GCL kids are 18 and 19 years old and in a tough place to hit for power at that age, look impressive, especially Ravel Santana is hitting for a lot of power for an 18 year old that’s 6’2″ and 160 pounds. A lot of speed, too from what it appears. Not sure what to think about the pitching in the lowest reaches, though.

  243. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    “If he doesn’t step up this season though, I do see the potential for the front office to overreact and go out and pay Prince or Pujols to be the middle of the order bat they thought Tex would be. ”

    they haven’t really been prone to overreaction recently though…….10 years ago maybe but that’s just not their MO of late.

  244. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Trader, my pleasure. Frankie Piliere also believes that Montero should be promoted to NY.

  245. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Thanks GB

  246. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Buster_ESPN 2 hours Educated guess on Beltran talks, as of today: I think ATL is the frontrunner, 2. SF. ATL has nice range of P prospects, like Mike Minor.

    Id try to hang on to Minor…..trade Vizcaino instead.

  247. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    21-

    I’m content with whatever they do.

    Just stating what the Yankees have done in the past with him.

    Evidencing their predispositions.

    That could change of course.

  248. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Can’t see not going after Fielder or Puljols and keep Tex if you have to.
    —————————————–

    Depends on how much luxury tax the Steinbrenner’s want to pay, while dishing out another enormous contract to convince one of them to DH, a position that will be needed next year to rest the “ageless” aged veterans.

    Read my lips, even if you can’t-”Not gonna happen.” LOL

  249. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    blake,

    A lot depends on who the GM is this off season and where the Yankees finish. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that if Tex has a disappointing season the front office may think they need to add a stud to the lineup with Arod and Jeter another year older and Tex not living up to the role they planned for him.

    If the Red Sox somehow won the title I can really see the Yankees making bold moves. That would be their 3rd title in 7 years. Standing pat won’t be the operative plan in that scenario.

  250. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Read my lips, even if you can’t-”Not gonna happen.” LOL
    ========================
    You sure don’t live up to your name :)

  251. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    GB,
    Would you trade any of the big 3 to upgrade the team(pitching, dh, bullpen etc.) this season?

  252. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Blake-

    Beltran to the Braves should make you almost as happy as to the Yanks.

  253. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    yankee21 July 22nd, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    GB7,

    Thanks for posting that link regarding Montero. It really boggles my mind that it least publicly it doesn’t appear that NY decision makers truly value Montero, it’s as if he is just another goon who can hit a little but can’t catch worth a crap so he is trade bait.

    If Cashman moves Montero for anything less than an impact bat straight up, IMHO he is a fool and it will set this franchise back for a number of years.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Any time. I don’t believe that Montero’s getting traded. Cashman’s just being some time. Keep in mind that Montero’s been hurt more than a few times and had the eye infection. I’m putting a promotion at somewhere before mid-August or earlier. Right now, NYYs have two players ready to be activated and only one spot open on the 40 man roster. Montero’s time is coming very soon….and with the Yankees.

  254. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    He reverted back to his messed up toe tap that ties him up.

    —————————————

    You know I watch him swing and it’s like his backbone is disconnected. There’ll be these wild loops in his swing, weird hip shifts, disconnected arms and so on. Then there is that swing that produced a double last night and you go “Okay, he’s back”. Eeh, maybe not.

  255. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Why did the Yanks sign Thames to a minor league deal ?
    Could be a transition move with both he and Jones both dropped for Montero in Sept. and the playoffs

  256. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Why did the Yanks sign Thames to a minor league deal ?

    =========

    Montero traded and Jones dropped?

  257. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    SoS, I wouldn’t. It would take more than one to acquire a pitching difference maker, and that ain’t worth it. NYYs have to replace 2 pitchers at the end of the year and then 1 one more sometime after 2012. Seattle won’t trade Hernandez, Dodgers won’t trade Kershaw, Florida isn’t trading Johnson, even if he was healthy, and I seriously doubt that Colorado trades Jiminez unless they could get all three plus more. That’s not happening.

  258. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    “Beltran to the Braves should make you almost as happy as to the Yanks.”

    It would make me happy….not nearly as happy as to the Yankees. I’m a Braves fan but not to the point where I care about prospect hugging with them…..win now baby…..get Beltran (unless the Yankees decide to do the right thing and get involved :) )

    G. Love,

    Cashman certainly isn’t playing things like a guy that is going anywhere….maybe he’s just extremely professional and is just doing the job how he thinks it should be done regardless of his situation but he seems awfully big picture oriented to me for a guy that would be thinking about leaving….I could be totally wrong on that. Also…as I said if they wanted to add a big name then Reyes makes a lot more sense to me than paying for Pujols or Fielder. Reyes plays a position that they’ll actually need in a couple of years if not sooner. The have Tex, Arod, Montero, etc who could all play 1B down the line.

  259. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    If Beltran goes to the Braves, is he their new LF’er with Prado going to 3rd, waiting for Chipper who is slower than first thought, to return?

    mick-I’m Yankee Trader when there’s a realistic trade possible. I can’t compete with Chip or Bret. Maybe I should change my screen name to YTWR-Yankee Trader Within Reason :)

  260. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    getting puljols or fielder to dh is not a complete impossibility so trader be thy name

  261. yankee21 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    gb7, I hope you are right related to NY’s plans for Montero.

    What I don’t want to see is Montero moved for a pitcher, with NY’s bandwagon offense of aging icons, the compelling need going forth will be more offense and Montero fits that bill.

    NY has a surplus of pitchers that they are grooming in the pipeline that they can package together along with other position players to get an impact arm, if they deem necessary.

  262. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Trader,

    I’m not sure what they’d do as to playing time…..if Beltran could still play CF it would be perfect….maybe they think he can at least part time. He’d play LF until Chipper gets back but then Prado is going back to LF and Chipper to 3B. Either way…..he’s a bat that could really help them.

  263. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    NYYs have to replace 2 pitchers at the end of the year and then 1 one more sometime after 2012.

    =========

    GB,
    I see those spots opening up for Nova and Colon. Having said that, Colon might get a multi year contract from someone out there with the way hes been pitching this year. Cant see the Yanks going more than 1. Whos gone in 2012? If they trade Montero, who would be the next Yankees future catcher(romine?)? Assuming thats where Montero was going to end up playing.

  264. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    getting puljols or fielder to dh is not a complete impossibility so trader be thy name……………………………………………thy kingdom come, thy will be done!

  265. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Any time, Blake. The players to be removed from the 40 man roster should be interesting. I’m guessing that NYYs could activate Maxwell and transfer him to the 60 day DL. Mitre, Jones, Garrison?, Pendleton, Pope, even a move to trade Dickerson or Whelen and more are real possibilities.

  266. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Comment From Matt SMatt S: ]
    What do you take from Bichettes start? After a slow start he seems to really be getting the hang of it and drawing a lot of walks.
    Friday July 22, 2011 1:20 Matt S

    1:21 Frankie Piliere: The reviews have been good. That’s the upside of having been around pro baseball. You don’t worry as much about the slow start. He’s not overwhelmed by this. Sounds like he’s seeing the ball very well and handling pro pitching nicely.

  267. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    CC-AJ-Colon/Hughes?/Garcia?? into the playoffs
    they are not trading Montero
    They are waiting for the right time thinking Posada is done

  268. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Comment From MarkMark: ]
    Is there any question that the Yankees would be better off employing Montero as their full time DH right now than having Posada waste at bats?
    Friday July 22, 2011 1:28 Mark

    1:29 Frankie Piliere: Not in my mind. I think Montero is a classic case of getting stale in the minors. I think he’d produce in the big leagues right now and I’m surprised we haven’t seen him yet. Bottom line is I don’t think they know how to handle taking the job from Posada.

  269. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    SoS, Nova will get one spot, but, Colon, if he finishes strong is going to have more than a few suiters, and Garcia should also. Garcia could become a Type B FA. Offering him arbitration will come into question, then.

  270. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I see that the Staten Island Yanks are 25-8 and running away with the division title. Looks like there are some big time bats with potential on that team. Almost everybody is raking…

  271. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    blake,
    What position would Reyes play on this team? DH? Jeter at dh?

  272. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    YT-

    YTWBA (Yankee Trader with a Balanced Approach).

    ;)

  273. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    fare you well, fare you well
    listen to the river sing sweet songs
    to rock your soul

  274. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    What position would Reyes play on this team? DH? Jeter at dh?
    ————————————

    SoS-

    not going there, especailly since the Yankees might make Posada a bench player!

    let’s just say he’ll bat leadoff for the Yankees over the course of of his new Boras gotten 7 year 154M contract!!

  275. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    SoS, I’d like to Romine go to a winter league and work on playing a couple of corner spots, especially 3rd and the 2 corner outfields. A young guy like that would allow NYYs to carry three catchers. Eventually, I can see Romine and Montero splitting the catching and other spots and letting martin help tutor them. Both have the bats of a hitter.

  276. REZ12 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    “Bottom line is I don’t think they know how to handle taking the job from Posada.”

    Bingo. That seems to be the only logical explanation. They can’t possibly think a couple months of underwhelming numbers represents his true ability.

  277. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    MTU

    How about YTLTBAGM-Yankee Trader Looking To Be Assistant GM or just plain
    BAGM-bagman!!! :)

  278. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    September callups for Montero

  279. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    The Nova/Noesi tandem are ready for next year, hell they’re ready now. All they need is a little time. How do you upgrade from a free and easy sinkerballer that cranks it up to 95 and is at league minimum.

  280. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    SOS,

    I’m not sure…..it would be complicated…..but to me that would make more sense that paying Fielder or Pujols even bigger contracts to play a position that’s already locked up. Jeter will be 38 next year….Reyes is just entering his prime and good SS’s are next to impossible to find. I don’t know how it would work though.

  281. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    YT-

    I think you should apply.

    :)

  282. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Bo-
    Very true. Those two are ready to help the Yankees win or are ready to be traded.
    Neither of them have nothing more to prove in the minors.

  283. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    If the Red Sox somehow won the title I can really see the Yankees making bold moves. That would be their 3rd title in 7 years. Standing pat won?t be the operative plan in that scenario

    ___________________________________________

    I think you’re confusing the current owners with their father.

  284. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Yanks have Nova as ready-made insurance down on the farm
    There is no need to trade Montero as no pitcher out there is worth it and available
    Yanks are primed for Sept playoff auditions

  285. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Yanks are primed for Sept playoff auditions

    We should make it through August first. Or even July.

  286. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    For those that didn’t read Donnie Collins’ piece on Montero, take this part and think about it.

    “I think, to a degree, Montero is a victim of his own expectations, a slave to the fact that fans have been following his every move since he was 16, a casualty of his hype. It seems to me, at least, that fans are growing impatient with someone who is one of the youngest players in the International League, and has been since the start of 2010. (In fact, hundreds of transactions have been made involving the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees since the 2010 season started, and none of them have placed even one player younger than Montero on the roster.) I see why. It seems like you’ve been waiting forever. It seems like — and this is understandable — fans want a more immediate result at the big league level from a player who has been pushed so aggressively through the minor league system.

    The problem is, he’s a catcher. He has a lot to learn, and unfortunately, if being “bored” at the plate now means he can be a little more refined behind it once he does get the call, the Yankees are willing to take that time to learn it. Fans want to see him. The team needs to take its time and be more realistic than that.

    It’s that simple, really. And for fans watching Posada and Martin struggle to post the type of offensive numbers they believe Montero could, it’s frustrating, at the same time. At this point, the Yankees can leave him in Triple-A and take another look at him next spring. They can deal him (when his value is at its lowest point). Or, they can call him up and give him a chance to see what it’s all about in the big leagues. Ask 300 fans what to do, and each option might get 100 votes.

    In the meantime, he’s still a world ahead of every other 21-year-old player in the International League offensively.”

  287. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    We should make it through August first. Or even July.
    =================================
    be more confident

  288. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
    Yanks have Nova as ready-made insurance down on the farm
    There is no need to trade Montero as no pitcher out there is worth it and available
    Yanks are primed for Sept playoff auditions
    ———————–

    I agree with this. I think Garcia and Colon proved in their last starts that they aren’t going to completely fall off a cliff these last few months. Nova provides great insurance in the minors as do guys like Warren and Mitchell when in a pinch. The biggest thing this team needs is a consistent bat. I’d love to get Beltran but he’s going to cost too much in terms of prospects. This team needs a guy who hits for high average. It’s not a good sign when the only guys hitting close to .300 in the lineup right now are Cano and Gardner (who fluctuates every 2 weeks).

  289. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    The Yankees need to hire Frankie P.

  290. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    People should take into account that the big money seats aren’t fans, they’re PR suits. The big selling points are “Go see Jeter, A Rod, Posada as in name recognition”. A Jeter fiasco is the Yankees worst nightmare so you don’t mess with Jetes or his buddy Hor gay. It is what it is.

  291. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    What about trading for Asdribler Cabrera in the offseason instead? It would cost less.

    GB,
    Do you think Montero will be worse than Posada behind the plate when its all said and done? If so, wouldnt it be better to trade him for someone like asdribler instead of clogging up the dh spot for our veterans?

  292. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Howard-

    They may not have their Father’s passion (we don’t even know that for sure) but they sure as heck can understand a balance sheet (Hal at least).

    If the lights go dark early that’s a lot of lost revenue.

    Being hit in the pocketbook directly will motivate them IMO.

    Of course, I hope that doesn’t happen.

    ;)

  293. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    in 2012-
    Colon and Garcia are off the team
    insert Nova and Noesi

    plain and simple!

  294. Yanks78 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    “How do you upgrade from a free and easy sinkerballer that cranks it up to 95 and is at league minimum.”

    CJ Wilson? Guthrie perhaps? Liriano if he has a good 2nd half?

    Maybe a trade for a Danks, Garza, or Gio?

  295. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    insert Nova and Noesi
    ===============
    and CJ Wilson

  296. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    September callups for Montero
    ———————————-

    mick-

    To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on either a)the 25 man active roster, b)the disabled list, c)the bereavement list, d)the suspended list as of August 31st at midnight.

  297. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    We get it GB, Montero is the end all, and none of us should curb any of our expectations as sooner or later, he’ll live up to them. He’s not bored at the plate, he’s failing to make the adjustments they’re making to him. He either can or can’t. Time will tell, but holy cow man, we get it…another Montero love piece.

    How much can people yell that he’s only 21? FFS, we get it. Let him learn his craft.

    I agree with this. I think Garcia and Colon proved in their last starts that they aren?t going to completely fall off a cliff these last few months
    ___________________________

    Really? One decent start from both and they’ve suddenly proven they’re going to be around these last few months? The starts before that didn’t count? Or the Red Sox starts? Just one is all it takes?

  298. comet July 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    : <(")

  299. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    The thing is you trade players to improve. My point is there aren’t many pitchers out there that are an improvement on Nova/Noesi and that’s not taking into account their salaries. It’s ironic Cashman is the victim of his own picking success as in Garcia/Colon.

  300. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    What about trading for Asdribler Cabrera in the offseason instead? It would cost less

    =================

    Tribe has no incentive to trade him. They control him thru 2013 season.

  301. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    mick-

    I should add this. If an eligible player is injured and unable to play a club can call up any player in the organization regardless of their roster status* provided that the replacement player plays the same position (position player for position player and pitcher for pitcher), the replacement player was in the organization as of the August 31st deadline and they finished the season in the organization, and they receive approval from the commissioner.

  302. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    the suspended list as of August 31st at midnight.
    ==================
    so be it

    i have seen players called up in Sept in the playoffs
    i believe they can replace a DL’ed player

  303. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    CJ Wilson? Guthrie perhaps? Liriano if he has a good 2nd half?

    Maybe a trade for a Danks, Garza, or Gio?

    All better options than Nova. Nova had a nice little run, but lets not get crazy. There’s a reason we aren’t reading all these trade speculations about Nova. Teams wanna see if he can sustain.

  304. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    “In the meantime, he’s still a world ahead of every other 21-year-old player in the International League offensively.”

    This.

    If I were the Yankees and was looking to hand out some big contracts to free agents and retool the team that way instead of via trade……then I’d sign Reyes this winter and Kemp next.
    That adds 2 very good players to the lineup that are both under 30 at the time of signing
    . Kemp makes perfect sense as they’ll have an opening in RF…..Reyes would be a little trickier and you’d have to work something out with Jeter….I’m not sure that one would happen but it makes a lot more sense to me than giving Prince Fielder 200 million dollars.

  305. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    SoS, Posada was in his first full year as a catcher at age 21. Montero isn’t that much different from Posada after 4 full seasons as a catcher. He’s at least as good as Piazza was as a ML rookie at age 24.

  306. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I don’t want CJ Wilson unless he’ll take a deal like 3/30 ….any more than that and he can go make to Texas.

  307. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    I would rather trade Nova than Noesi

  308. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    I don’t want CJ Wilson unless he’ll take a deal like 3/30

    ====================

    3/$30M ain’t happening.

  309. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    pujols or fielder would be an upgrade

    Agree. Why not get them both? We could put Pujols at third on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, then at first on Tuesday and Thursday.
    Put Prince at first on the same days, while Tex and ARod take turns DHing every day. Every third day, Jeter can DH while Hanley Ramirez (our bench player) takes his swipe at short stop.
    Then, Tex plays first or third or SS or catcher if anything should happen to anyone.

    It could happen right? So stupid.

  310. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm
    I don’t want CJ Wilson unless he’ll take a deal like 3/30 ….any more than that and he can go make to Texas.

    —————

    why would CJ Wilson ever do that?

    He’s younger than Burnett was when AJ signed his 5 year deal here.

    I think when you look at CJ Wilson you have to pencil him down for the contracts Burnett and Lackey got.

  311. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    I would rather trade Nova than Noesi

    ———————-

    Cosign

  312. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    What about trading for Asdribler Cabrera in the offseason instead? It would cost less

    =================

    Tribe has no incentive to trade him. They control him thru 2013 season.

    —————

    And they’re trying to make the playoffs.

  313. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Kemp makes perfect sense as they?ll have an opening in RF?..

    Thank you. A move that makes sense.

  314. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    pujols or fielder would be an upgrade
    ———————–
    key word being OR.

  315. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “why would CJ Wilson ever do that?”

    he wouldn’t….that was my way of saying I don’t want him ;)

  316. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Blake-

    I would rather you and YT help Cash see the light than waste your talents on a blog.

    2 new ass’t GM’s.

    Damn. Can I get your autographs now before you’re famous.

    Only downside is that you’ll be working under GB. He’s stingy with the beer and Pizza.

    :)

  317. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    No one is a bit concerned about Reyes and his continuous leg injuries? If he gets a flat tire, you might have to add him to the famous albatross contracts.

  318. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    yanks could fall in love with wilson as they did with aj
    levine might want him badly, you know cas wont

  319. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    GB…

    What are you going to do if they move him? Your over the top affection for Montero is creepy.
    We get it, he’s young. He’s playing better than anyone his age. He’s hyped. Hes stressed. He’s bored. His back hurts. He’s learning. He can catch. He can’t catch. He can hit bombs. He’s not hitting bombs.

    Every. stinking. day.

  320. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    CJ Wilson? Guthrie perhaps? Liriano if he has a good 2nd half?

    Maybe a trade for a Danks, Garza, or Gio?

    ————————————————–
    I’m talking upgrade. Nova’s at 4.1 ERA and improving.

    Of all those maybe Wilson. Liriano is constanly injured. Guthrie? oy. The last three – pay through the nose for someone with less talent.

    Hey, they’re established pitchers. Build a system to produce pitcher results and then trade them for established.

    Does not compute.

    Cashman set up a syste

  321. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    MTU,
    I cheated!! Couldnt take it anymore!! Had Peanut M n M’s before the weekend. They didnt even get a chance to melt in my mouth. Good times.

  322. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    CJ Wilson would be a great number 2 or 3 on a championship team. Definitely wouldn’t want him as my ace though like he is in Texas. He fit perfectly last year with Lee taking the #1 spot.

  323. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    key word being OR.

    How about the realistic word being neither.

    Where the hell are you going to put either of them? Neither of them is going to DH, not to mention that even if they did, our SS, Montero (assuming he’s here), Arod, and others are all going to need time there.
    You realize that there is 300M dollars worth of first and third basemen on this team right now, that aren’t going anywhere, right?
    Where do you guys get these pipe dreams sometimes?

    Blake is right: get Reyes this year ( a HUGE upgrade) and Kemp next. Keep the prospects until the fail or succeed, and play baseball.

  324. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Why doesnt anyone ever bring up Anibal Sanchez’s name when talking about an upgrade in pitching?

  325. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    GB would make me go and get the pizza and beer and probably pay for it too….

  326. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    What about trading for Asdribler Cabrera in the offseason instead? It would cost less.

    GB,
    Do you think Montero will be worse than Posada behind the plate when its all said and done? If so, wouldnt it be better to trade him for someone like asdribler instead of clogging up the dh spot for our veterans?

    ————–

    SoS – Even if Montero stinks behind the plate there’s no reason to move him.

    Next season he can DH some and get some reps behind the plate for Martin (going forward Romine) when Alex or others need to get a half day and then he’ll be 26 when Tex’s contract is up and you can slide him over to 1b.

  327. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    SoS-

    I understand buckling under the pressure. They are hard to resist.

    Best way is to try to convince yourself you’re an addict and just swear ‘em off for life.

    Baring that you’re toast. Of course, the other way you die happy.

    :)

  328. Ghostwriter July 22nd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Why all the angst about Teixeira? Seriously?

    Who does not understand that four years is a large sample size and what a consistently diminishing performance means for a ballplayer who is signed through 2016 at $22.5 million per year?

    BA – OBP – SLG – OPS

    2008 – .308/.410/.552/.962
    2009 – .292/.383/.565/.948
    2010 – .256/.365/.481/.846
    2011 – .240/.341/.493/.834 (to date)
    =======================

    Good grief. It’s a slump. Up until about June 15, or so, Tex was doing fine, with numbers roughly approximating his career norms (.257, 372, .560, .932). Since then he has been in a bit of a freefall (with the exception of a minor outburst at the end of June in which he hit 3 homers in 4 games). So, he’s been in a slump since about June 15, or about 5 weeks. He’ll probably snap out of it at any time.

  329. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    yeah lets bypass a fielder or puljols because we need a resting spot for jeter et al…
    how is that working this year with a debilitated posada?
    that is the value of a dh and pujols and fielder are made for dh

  330. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Blake is right: get Reyes this year ( a HUGE upgrade) and Kemp next. Keep the prospects until the fail or succeed, and play baseball

    ==============================

    How many $20M contracts you think this team is going to carry? Reyes and Kemp? Same year you all want to sign Kemp, it will be time to pony up for Cano and Granderson. They aren’t going to carry 6-7 $20M contracts.

  331. Bo knows July 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    For all those,”Trade our kids because they’re not established” , one name – Kennedy. Looks good in Arizona, doesn’t he.

  332. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    MTU,
    I cheated!! Couldnt take it anymore!! Had Peanut M n M’s before the weekend. They didnt even get a chance to melt in my mouth. Good times
    ————————————-
    SoS-

    Then if they didn’t melt in your hand, it’s obviously not in the 100′s where you are!! LOL

  333. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    MTU,
    You only live once. Iv lost 10 pounds in two months and have another 5 to go.
    My problem is weekends. Things I cant swear off on weekends.

    Thick crust pizza
    Smirnoff Ice
    Chocolate(symphony, chocolate raisens, Reices peanut butter cups, chocolate almond and Peanut m n ms) while watching movies.
    Ice Cream

    Now you can see why i look forward to weekends.

  334. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    For all those,”Trade our kids because they’re not established” , one name – Kennedy. Looks good in Arizona, doesn’t he.

    ======================

    Counter argument is that he was part of package used to get Granderson, no?

  335. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    From earlier…..as far as Asdrubal Cabrera goes……another plan if they didn’t want to go after Reyes would be to pursue him later on if he continues to be good. He’ll be a FA after 2013 and if the Indians stink they could probably get him earlier…..just not now.

  336. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Anyone else have an idea on how to unlock Phil Hughes full potential ?

    Hint: Clemens, Freddy, Papelboner, Just to name a few.

    Hint: CMW, Carmona, Noesi, etc. Just to name a few more.

    JMO.

    ;)

  337. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    SoS-

    Simple pleasures. Items all chosen from the 3 food groups.

    :)

  338. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    How many $20M contracts you think this team is going to carry? Reyes and Kemp? Same year you all want to sign Kemp, it will be time to pony up for Cano and Granderson. They aren?t going to carry 6-7 $20M contracts.

    Oh, this I agree with.
    My guess is that if you got Kemp, Granderson is gone.
    Reyes is a pipe dream, but a nice one to have.

    yeah lets bypass a fielder or puljols because we need a resting spot for jeter et al?
    how is that working this year with a debilitated posada?
    that is the value of a dh and pujols and fielder are made for dh

    ____________

    Guy, the point isn’t a landing spot for Jeter. Its that you can’t have a billion dollars in third and first basemen on the same team, all who want to play their position, and all who are complete studs at them.
    How are you not understanding that? Pujouls is not playing third base. Ever again. He’s an all-star (probably better than Tex) at first…why move him? FFS.

  339. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Good grief. It’s a slump.

    ========

    Ghost,
    Do you blame some of us? Unless someone messed with Texeiras personal calender and played a sick joke on him changing it back to april. Then there is cause for concern. He gets a 30 day vacation from his fans. April is the time he usually takes it.

  340. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Asdrubal Cabrera

    ====

    I butchered the spelling of his name. I have an excuse though. I go to the school of GB7.

  341. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    For all those,?Trade our kids because they?re not established? , one name ? Kennedy. Looks good in Arizona, doesn?t he.

    He does look good. In Arizona.
    Two sentences there.

  342. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    “How many $20M contracts you think this team is going to carry? Reyes and Kemp? Same year you all want to sign Kemp, it will be time to pony up for Cano and Granderson. They aren’t going to carry 6-7 $20M contracts.”

    it’s my fantasy and I don’t have a budget in my fantasy

  343. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Asdrubal Cabrera is the most exciting defensive SS since Omar Vizquel, stopping grounders with his bare hand. His offense isn’t too shabby either. Best SS in AL.

  344. SoS July 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    it’s obviously not in the 100?s where you are!!

    =======

    100′s? If you mean weight. Yes I am. I wash them down with a diet Smirnoff Ice. Its seems to do the trick. Plus lifting a leg outwards while standing on the scale doesnt hurt as well.

    MTU,
    Cant beat those food groups.

  345. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    reyes can take a walk.
    Yankees have no need for reyes on this team.

    he’s 2 steps away from another leg injury.

    i’ll pass

  346. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Asdrubal Cabrera is the most exciting defensive SS since Omar Vizquel, stopping grounders with his bare hand. His offense isn’t too shabby either. Best SS in AL.

    ============================

    Actually comes up really poor on most of the fielding metrics. 2nd worst defensive SS in the AL if you believe Fangraphs. Seen some nice highlights of him though.

  347. Yanks78 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    The Yankees called the Rays about James Shields and were told he is not available — presumably to NYY, and BOS.

  348. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 3:54 pm
    GB…

    What are you going to do if they move him? Your over the top affection for Montero is creepy.
    We get it, he’s young. He’s playing better than anyone his age. He’s hyped. Hes stressed. He’s bored. His back hurts. He’s learning. He can catch. He can’t catch. He can hit bombs. He’s not hitting bombs.

    Every. stinking. day.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Is that the same every.stinking.day as the trade for hernandez? Jiminez” or sign Oujols? or sign Fielder? or Jeter stinks, move him to the 9th spot? Gardner is sensational, move him to the leadoff spot, or was that cleanup?

    Say? Here’s a solution, jackass…don’t read it.

  349. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Actually comes up really poor on most of the fielding metrics. 2nd worst defensive SS in the AL if you believe Fangraphs. Seen some nice highlights of him though

    It’s an old argument. I take him everyday to field balls in shallow CF. He gets to ball most don’t.

  350. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    The Yankees called the Rays about James Shields and were told he is not available

    =============================

    Can’t blame ‘em for inquiring.

  351. Mell July 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    It’s an old argument. I take him everyday to field balls in shallow CF. He gets to ball most don’t

    =====================

    Not much evidence of that either.

  352. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Yanks78 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    Buster_ESPN
    The Yankees called the Rays about James Shields and were told he is not available — presumably to NYY, and BOS.
    ——————————-

    Not too surprised about that. Although, I don’t think I’d give up a ton for Shields. He’s having a great year but he wasn’t too great last year and has been up and down in the past. I’d hate to give up Montero in the division and have him beat the Yanks brains in for the next 15 years. But that doesn’t even look like an option anyway.

  353. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Say? Here?s a solution, jackass?don?t read it.

    hahah.. You crack me up. I did read it. You know, from the guy who wrote it in his article. Not the clown that spends his day copying and pasting other’s work, scouting reports, game logs, ideas, and opinions. Now, run along.

  354. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Not much evidence of that either.

    I see what you’re saying, but I’ve seen him play, and he’s a real nice player. His throws are wild sometimes, but a great arm.
    I haven’t looked up any of his defensive metrics yet, just basing my opinion on what I’ve seen. He seems to be like a good player.
    Push to shove though, I sign Reyes. He’ll be fine on a winning team where he’s not looking for a reason to lay out (plus, how much would he improve by just distancing himself from the Mets doctors?!?!?!?!)

  355. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I don’t paste and copy anybody’s ideas as my own.

  356. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    GB7,
    You always cite sources, agreed.

  357. Bleacher Creature July 22nd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports that some baseball people expect Beltran to use his no-trade clause to ensure that he remains in the NL

  358. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Shields would turn into a pumpkin as soon as the Yankees acquired him and go back to sucking.

  359. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Reyes is a dog and showboats when the camera is on. Nobody steals as many bases with big leads as Reyes does. He’s unnecessary.

  360. JobaTipsHisCap July 22nd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Reyes?

    he’s a fxxxxxking punk. sign him? omg.

  361. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    In otherwords, Reyes behaves more like Manny Ramirez than Jeter. No team needs that.

  362. Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Blake, I couldn’t agree with you more.

  363. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Blake-

    Turn into “small game” James Shields for us ?

  364. Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t understand what the problem is when free Agents put the pinstripes on. Smh!!

  365. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    In otherwords, Reyes behaves more like Manny Ramirez than Jeter. No team needs that.

    —————-

    Not even teams that want to win baseball games?

  366. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Does anyone seriously believe that Reyes would be coming to the Yankees as long as Jeter is around ?

    I sure don’t.

  367. Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Espn kills me. Dropping dj to second in the order is not breaking news. He’s batted second before.

  368. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    What did James Shields do to lower his ERA by half? He’s been bad for at least 2 years before this one.

  369. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Nobody steals as many bases with big leads as Reyes does

    ———————

    Jose Reyes has stolen 361 bases in his career.

    Only 12 of those stolen bases have come when the margin is greater than 4 runs.

  370. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Reyes can’t be a Yankee. Don’t expect him to cut those dreadlocks.

  371. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Reyes is as good a shortstop as there is out there. He’s been hurt, so?

  372. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    YT-

    Send him to the Dodgers. There’s precedent for that there.

    :)

  373. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Didnt say I want him on the Yanks, though.

  374. mick July 22nd, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Where the hell are you going to put either of them? Neither of them is going to DH, not to mention that even if they did, our SS, Montero (assuming he’s here), Arod, and others are all going to need time there.
    =====================================================
    Guy, the point isn’t a landing spot for Jeter.

    ————————–

    just using your words

  375. yanks 27 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Rodriguez loves Reyes. He will mentor him like he mentored Cabrera.

    I’d rather have a classless SS who hits .330 with 60 XBHs and 60 steals over a classy SS hitting .250 with 25 XBH and 15 steals.

  376. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Derek Jeter has 19 SB in his career with the margin greater than 4 runs. More than Reyes! :shock:

    Showboatin Derek Jetah. No team needs that.

  377. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    from MLBTR’s-

    And no I hope the Yankees don’t pursue either one, especially for one of our #3′s. Who is our #3 BTW?

    The Phillies remain in contact with the Royals about Melky Cabrera, but the Royals have told teams they’re more likely to deal Jeff Francoeur. Kansas City is asking for a number three starter who’s nearly Major League ready in return for Cabrera.

  378. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Espn kills me. Dropping dj to second in the order is not breaking news. He’s batted second before.
    *************************************************
    Now that the NFL Lockout is just about over, ESPN has to have some sort of
    breaking news.
    I hate that network so much. Never thought that was possible, but ESPN has turned me
    into a “HATER”

  379. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Nunez already has 4 SB in his career with the margin greater than 4 runs. Uh oh. :(

    Jetes must be teaching the kid how to be a showboat.

  380. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Espn kills me. Dropping dj to second in the order is not breaking news. He’s batted second before.
    —————————

    Plus, it was probably only a result of Granderson being out…. It wasn’t like they dropped him to 8th permanently….

  381. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    MTU-

    I’ll wait till Jeter retires or changes positions, and then see if Troy Tulowitski becomes available.

  382. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    KC is said to be asking for a near ready starter for Cabrera. Is he worth a Nova/Noesi/Phelps/Michell/Warren? I’m thinking not. Not unless the deal is expanded.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....lins-.html

  383. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    The Phillies remain in contact with the Royals about Melky Cabrera, but the Royals have told teams they’re more likely to deal Jeff Francoeur. Kansas City is asking for a number three starter who’s nearly Major League ready in return for Cabrera.
    *********************************************************************
    Jeff F. is an upgrade over Dickerson/Golson combo.
    Jeff is also a vet who might be able to adjust to playing part time and assuming the role as a pinch hitter.
    He’s not worth a #3 starter at all, unless KC wants a #3 starter down in AAA

  384. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    YT-

    Gotta love him.

    My fave for the future. Starlin Castro. Gonna steal him from the Cubbies.

    :)

  385. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 4:54 pm
    Benny Blanco July 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    Espn kills me. Dropping dj to second in the order is not breaking news. He’s batted second before.
    *************************************************
    Now that the NFL Lockout is just about over, ESPN has to have some sort of
    breaking news.
    I hate that network so much. Never thought that was possible, but ESPN has turned me
    into a “HATER”
    —————————-

    ESPN has gone downhill the past few years. I’m a huge hockey fan also and I was happy that the NHL re-upped with versus and nbc even though i had long been hoping for it to be back on espn. ESPN just isn’t the same anymore…

  386. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I’ll give KC a #3. No problem.

    From Scranton.

    ;)

  387. bisonthrow July 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Here is a completely crazy very unrealistic idea that i love the sound of…

    Move DJ to third
    Move Alex to DH and let him spell derek when needed
    Sign Reyes and play him at short
    Trade Montero for a SP

    Lineup goes:

    Reyes
    Grandy
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Swish
    Martin
    Jeter
    Gardner

  388. Bleacher Creature July 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    The Yankees, Phillies and D-Backs have checked in on Joakim Soria according to Jayson Stark

  389. Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    MTU-

    If the Cubs lost Castro, I think the fans would riot lol. He is the basically the only thing the Cubs have going for them. The rest of that team is an utter mess.

  390. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Tyler July 22nd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    ESPN has gone downhill the past few years. I’m a huge hockey fan also and I was happy that the NHL re-upped with versus and nbc even though i had long been hoping for it to be back on espn. ESPN just isn’t the same anymore…

    *****************************************************************
    My main issue with ESPN is they “analyze” far too much. Just about everytime I want to watch ESPN, there are multiple “experts” talking and talking(beating a topic to death).

  391. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    TY-

    Love him.

    That’s their problem.

    ;)

  392. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    My fave for the future. Starlin Castro. Gonna steal him from the Cubbies.

    ————————————–

    Sorry 18 errors already by the ASB. Nope! I’ll stick with slick fielder Nunez!!LOL

  393. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    bisonthrow July 22nd, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    Here is a completely crazy very unrealistic idea that i love the sound of…

    Move DJ to third
    Move Alex to DH and let him spell derek when needed
    Sign Reyes and play him at short
    Trade Montero for a SP

    Lineup goes:

    Reyes
    Grandy
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Swish
    Martin
    Jeter
    Gardner
    *****************************************************************
    You should be placed on the DL for coming up with a very, very crazy idea like this

  394. Giuseppe Franco July 22nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    There’s a better chance I’ll steal Minka Kelly away from Jeter than Reyes stealing Jeter’s job away from him.

  395. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I’ll give KC a #3. No problem.

    From Scranton.

    ————————

    Igawa?

  396. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    YT-

    Fine. You keep Eduardo. I get Starlin. Deal.

    :)

  397. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    GF-

    According to some you are one lucky guy.

    :)

  398. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    LGY-

    Give up sunglasses ? Nobody is worth that. Or is that, he is worth nobody ?

    Whatever.

    :)

  399. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Move Alex to DH and let him spell derek when needed
    —————————————–
    That’s about as close to happening when most of us can “spell” Asdrubal correctly!

  400. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    No BP today.

    Maybe that will help Tex bust out of his funk

  401. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I wish the NFL would have stayed locked out.

    I heard an interview with Jeter a few days ago from 2007. Buck Martinez was giving it and asked him which young SS’s in the game he liked to watch and which young players in general he liked……he paused for a second and said Jose Reyes was his favorite player to watch in the game at that point.

  402. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Why is there a desire to move Rodriguez off of defense? He’s a solid defender. He doesn’t get hurt on defense. The leg issues are when running the bases.

  403. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    GB7,
    Agreed. who is a better third baseman than Rodriquez?

  404. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    They wont move Arod from 3rd fulltime anytime soon most likely…..but he may get more DH days in the near future. He’s been really good defensively this year.

  405. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Josh norris seems to think that with Craig Heyer closing in on his innings limits, Brett Marshall may be promoted from Tampa to Trenton. Not sure about that unless they split the starts. Both will be capped at around 130-135 innings and both are about 30 or so innings away.

  406. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    GB7,
    Agreed. who is a better third baseman than Rodriquez?
    —————

    Like, in all of baseball? Or on the Yankees?

  407. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    I hope Chavez returns and can stay healthy.

    Great to spell A-rod. Terrific fielder. Can hit a little too.

    ;)

  408. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    For the right now Id still rather have Arod than any other 3B for the total package……

  409. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Kev,
    Hitting and fielding, who is better, anywhere?

  410. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Tom, going forward, probably Longoria, but, few are as dependable on defense. Like Jeter, maybe not the greatest range, but as sure handed and as accurate an arm as there is.

  411. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Arod is still a much better hitter than Longoria….

  412. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Id rather have Zimmerman long term than Longoria I think…..Longo is an unreal defender but Zim is a better hitter.

  413. m July 22nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    For the right now Id still rather have Arod than any other 3B for the total package……at a lower salary…

    :)

  414. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Kev,
    Hitting and fielding, who is better, anywhere?
    ——-

    Thought you meant fielding. Fielding there are many better 3B, A-Rod isn’t as agile anymore, but he’s still solid. Complete package wise he’s still the tops.

  415. tomingeorgia July 22nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    GB7,
    I didn’t say “going forward”, but maybe Longoria is better in the out years. I meant today.

  416. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Anyone have any idea how pitching in a steam bath affects a Pitcher’s stuff ?

    Different than in a Sauna ?

    :)

  417. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Today Arod is the best 3B in baseball when healthy.

  418. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    not sure what the deal is with Longoria this year, but, he’s been bad on a team that can’t afford that. BJ Upton bad. The announcers talk about a bad foot and maybe needing surgery. Have no idea as to whether that’s fact or fiction.

  419. MTU July 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    New one ==>

  420. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    MTU,

    What are you talking about :)

  421. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Tom, right now, this year, yeah, I go with Rodriguez. Zimmerman is another that’s hit the injury trail and has ugly numbers

  422. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    blake July 22nd, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Id rather have Zimmerman long term than Longoria I think…..Longo is an unreal defender but Zim is a better hitter.
    ———–

    Zimmerman has been hampered by an injury this season. I traded Cano for Zimmerman, Zobrist and McCutchen >:O

    Still not a bust, especially if Zimmerman turns his season around.

  423. GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    If I had to put money on it, I’d bet on Rodriguez returning by the end of the first week in August.

  424. joeman July 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    # GreenBeret7 July 22nd, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    If I had to put money on it, I’d bet on Rodriguez returning by the end of the first week in August.
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    how much

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