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Random thoughts on the way back home

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last time the Yankees played at home, they were still feeling warm and fuzzy in the glow of Derek Jeter’s 3,000th hit. Seems like that was three months ago. This eight-day road trip was a long one.

“Obviously you’d like to have done better,” Joe Girardi said. “But after how we started losing the first two, we finished up pretty good and it will be nice to get off the turf and get home for a while. I think we have 10 games in 10 days, and I think our guys are looking forward to that.”

Just a few thoughts before I get back to New York.

• Phil Hughes gets the ball tonight. It will be his first start at home since the start that convinced the Yankees he needed to go on the disabled list. It’ll be interesting to see if that curveball is as good as it was in Toronto.

• Be careful what you wish for at the top of the order. I can’t see Derek Jeter being dropped to the bottom, so moving Brett Gardner to the top only pushes Curtis Granderson, Mark Teixeira, Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher down a spot. As always, I’m of the belief that lineup construction doesn’t matter all that much.

• Also worth considering (as Sweeny Murti pointed out a couple of days ago): In the eight games since the all-star break, Gardner is hitting .517 with a .576 on-base percentage. In the eight games before the break, he was hitting .207 with a .281 on-base percentage. I think he’s the right choice at the top, but you have to accept that he’s a streaky hitter.

• Big spot in the seventh inning, who would you trust more: Luis Ayala, Hector Noesi or Cory Wade? Who do you think Girardi would most trust? I’m honestly not sure the right answer to either of those questions.

• Gardner, Jeter, Andruw Jones and Jorge Posada have each taken turns as the most anger-inducing Yankees hitter this season. Now it seems to be Mark Teixeira’s turn. He’s also a streaky hitter, and he always talks about waiting for that next hot streak that will turn his batting average around.

• Girardi when asked if he’ll have to eventually take Teixeira out of the No. 3 hole if the batting average doesn’t improve: “He has taken his fair share of walks and gotten on base. That’s the one thing Tex does. Sometimes people look at average a lot. We’re going ot look at on-base percentage too because he does take his fair share. You hit .250 and you’ve got a .370 on-base percentage or .360, you’re doing OK.” It’s a fair point — and Teixeira does have a higher OBP than Cano — but Girardi overestimated the numbers a little bit. Teixeira has a .240 average with a .341 on-base.

• If the Yankees are going to trade for a starter, they really only have a spot for a legitimately elite pitcher. They have plenty of No. 3 types. To find someone obviously better than what they have is going to cost a lot in terms of young players. Maybe it’s worth it, maybe it’s not, but it would be costly.

• I’ve always liked but never loved U2, but I absolutely loved this performance on Letterman. I’m surprised I haven’t broken the internet watching it over and over again the past few days. Say what you will about Bono, but the guy has a terrific voice and knows how to deliver a song.

• Kind of surprised that Eric Chavez was able to get in the field this quickly. Not much to lose there, I guess. The Yankees need to find out before July 31 whether he can help them in the second half.

• Dave Robertson just keeps doing it. Rafael Soriano has a longer track record, and there’s a lot to be said for that, but it’s hard to imagine him coming back and throwing any better than Robertson.

• George Kontos has to get to New York eventually, right? The Yankees could actually use a long man now, and Kontos has 64 strikeouts and a .210 opponents batting average in Triple-A. Also worth mentioning that D.J. Mitchell and Lance Pendleton just put together terrific back-to-back starts.

• Speaking of Triple-A guys: Jorge Vazquez’s numbers have fallen off quite a bit, but Kevin Russo is really hitting again. And if you were waiting for Jordan Parraz to fall off, it doesn’t seem to be happening.

• If Russell Martin really is a Gold Glove caliber catcher, and he keeps hitting exactly like this — low batting average with occasional pop — is he worth bringing back next season? All things considered, isn’t he still one of the better everyday catchers in the league?

• Don’t let the fact that you gave up on Boone Logan in the first half — or that he misplayed a ball three nights ago — keep you from seeing the fact he’s pitching much better. I know I’m usually a glass-half-full kind of guy, but since May 28 opponents are hitting .196 with four walks and 17 strikeouts against Logan.

• There’s still something very fun about talking to a guy who just got his first big league call-up. It was fun when I was covering the minor leagues, and it’s just as fun now that I’m covering the big leagues.

• Martin made the right choice. He put in a good effort and did everything the right way, but the mustache had to go. It was time. It really was, “ugly as (crap).”

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480 Responses to “Random thoughts on the way back home”

  1. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Pitching has been pretty good I’d say. CC was awesome again. Colon has regained his pre-ASB form. Garcia worked 6 1/3 no run innings. Robertson has excelled. Mo is Mo. Hughes is coming back and did well. I have no problems with this staff. (AJ is AJ BTW).

    The offense this year – is just plain streaky and performing worse than last year and in 09. No consistency and BA and OBP are just down across the board (with the exception of Gardy and Grandy). Everyone is hurt and or nursing or recovering from wounds. Our DH is a black hole with the pride the size of a nebula. Jeter is in *steep* decline and no one has the cahones to move him down the order. Hopefully Chavez will provide some boost and hopefully they promote Montero and dump Cervelli.

  2. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    The Beltran latest . mlbtraderumors.com

    Beltran told Newsday?s David Lennon that he would prefer to stay in the National League. The outfielder prefers not to DH more than once per week and will consider a team?s pitching staff before accepting a deal.
    A Mets official told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that there are six or seven active suitors for Beltran. The Mets were watching Braves Triple-A lefty Mike Minor closely yesterday, according to Sherman.

    the Giants are having some trouble matching up with the Mets; the Indians? interest is cooling; the Mets aren?t worried about obtaining Beltran?s permission for a deal; The Tigers are focused on pitching; the Rangers have some interest in Beltran; the Brewers would like to scrape together a package and it?s too early to rule out the Phillies, Red Sox, Braves or Yankees.

  3. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    MTU,

    Pence isn’t a big strike out guy nor does he walk a lot or hit for big power. He is, however, a solid all around player. Not great, but way better than Swisher or Posada(at this point).

    We are heading to Wild Basin at RMNP today. I’ve never been there so I am looking forward to it.

  4. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 am

    howard, blake, mtu, maine, betsy, austinmac, bronx jeers, erin, mike ri, sunny – did I leave anyone out this morning?

    How will Beltran or Pence add to the offense unless Girardi/Cashman make the toughest of all decisions to relegate Posada to the bench, and let the 4 Of’ers play everyday either in the field or DH???

  5. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 am

    “How will Beltran or Pence add to the offense unless Girardi/Cashman make the toughest of all decisions to relegate Posada to the bench, and let the 4 Of’ers play everyday either in the field or DH???”

    If they added either one of those guys then Posada goes to the bench…..its just the reality of the situation. Swisher is.probably the primary DH and Beltran plays RF……you coukd play him in LF against select lefties and DH Montero then when he doesn’t catch.

  6. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Love that picture of Gardner and Granderson. :lol:

    Cheer up, everyone, next week is HOPE week! That usually gives them a spark.

    and Chad, I’m the same way with U2, but I agree that was an awesome performance.

  7. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 am

    I’m not surprised that Beltran wants to stay in the NL where he already knows the pitchers and is hoping for a new Boras- laden fat contract.

  8. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Yankee Trader –

    I agree with you. adding someone like Beltran or Pence is mute until Girardi or Cashman has the “talk” with Posada.

    Like Blake mentioned before .. its August now and I don’t see Posada turning things around. Batting .224 with no pop is unacceptable

  9. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    YT,

    It doesn’t work unless Posada goes to the bench to PH. As Blake says, have Swisher primary DH and Beltran in right. It is big question whether they have the courage to sit Posada down. It is rare to see such blind loyalty to a player clearly past his usefulness.

  10. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    blake-

    Let’s assume[bad word IMO] that Beltran stays in NL[Phillies] and Pence does get traded[Braves], which quality full-time OF’er is next on the list that will enhance the offense while relegating Posada to the bench? Is there a bloated contract out there that Cashman/owners should really look into?

  11. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Trader,

    It’s just a timing mechanism and routine he’s gotten in to. I like things the quiter the better…….there is a reason Paul Molitor raked until he was in his late 30s

  12. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Trader,

    Not off hand that I can think of…..maybe the look at Cuddyer if the Twins would move him. Probably best bet would be to see what Montero coukd do at DH.

  13. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Trader –

    Ty Wigginton
    Michael Cuddyer

  14. brownies July 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    The offense is just not right. We have a good hitting coach and one respected by the players. I hope changes are made by trade deadline because we need to improve the offense and starting pitching if they can land a big fish. The roster is good..but not good enough to dominate the teams we will face in the playoffs.

  15. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Chad- You posted:

    “Girardi when asked if he’ll have to eventually take Teixeira out of the No. 3 hole if the batting average doesn’t improve: “He has taken his fair share of walks and gotten on base. That’s the one thing Tex does. Sometimes people look at average a lot. We’re going ot look at on-base percentage too because he does take his fair share. You hit .250 and you’ve got a .370 on-base percentage or .360, you’re doing OK.” It’s a fair point — and Teixeira does have a higher OBP than Cano — but Girardi overestimated the numbers a little bit. Teixeira has a .240 average with a .341 on-base.”

    From NY daily News:

    Teixeira finished June with 25 home runs and 63 RBI to go along with his .243 average, .351 on-base percentage and .541 slugging percentage.

    Those numbers have dropped dramatically in July, as he is hitting .238 with no home runs and only four RBI in the first 16 games of the month. His on-base percentage is .314 and his slugging is an anemic .302, further evidence of his lack of power.

  16. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Yankee Trader

    I think it becomes more evident by the game that they are going to have to adress the Posada situation.

    How this team is playing is like they were in 09 and Cashman had the meeting with them in Atlanta.

  17. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Trader –

    Ty Wigginton
    Michael Cuddyer

    —————–

    Mike Ri-

    Like Cuddyer a lot, but Twins rumored to want to keep him even if they fall out and sign him to an extension.

    Wiggington-As of last week his OBA was .316 not much better than Tex this month, hitting .240 against righties. Don’t see him as an everyday OF’er to relegate Posada to the bench. A fill in at 3rd base maybe.

  18. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 am

    U2 is very good live.

    I saw them at the Garden a few years back and Bono had the whole place eating out of his hand.

    Side note: Its a really bad day for the MTA to be pulling their inept act but they seem quite intent. I think they just convinced me to gracefully bow out of attending tonight’s game.

    I wish all the 4,5 & 6 riders out there good luck.

  19. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 am

    thoughts on Chad’s comments:

    1. I agree that Boone Logan is pitching much better lately, though I still don’t trust him in a big spot.

    2. I wouldn’t mind seeing Parraz get called up – again though, it would mean relegating Jorge to the bench which I don’t see happening.

    3. I wouldn’t mind putting Gardner at the top and sliding everyone down one spot, at least until Alex comes back, but like Chad, I don’t think it matters that much.

    4. I think in a tough spot in the 7th Girardi turns to Ayala

    5. Yes, Russell Martin comes back next year. In fact it wouldn’t shock me if the Yankees made him a two year deal to take away arbitration.

  20. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 am

    How this team is playing is like they were in 09 and Cashman had the meeting with them in Atlanta.

    ——————————–
    Maine-

    I was at that game, Tommy Hanson shut them down, and ironically Posada earned the Golden Sombrero! Did Cashman know then that Posada’s 4th year of the contract was going to saddle them in 2011?

  21. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am
    Love that picture of Gardner and Granderson.
    ———-

    Same. You can imagine them as little kids in that one.

  22. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 am
    How will Beltran or Pence add to the offense unless Girardi/Cashman make the toughest of all decisions to relegate Posada to the bench, and let the 4 Of’ers play everyday either in the field or DH???

    —————–

    Agreed – bringing in a hitter means that the Yankees have accepted the fact that Jorge Posada needs to be benched. The question becomes, do you send down Cervelli and make Posada the back-up catcher or do you keep Cervelli and relegate Jorge to a bat off the bench?

  23. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 am

    If Parraz is the only answer to lack of offensive production, don’t expect much. Look at his career, and explain how he will help.

  24. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 am

    “Big spot in the seventh inning, who would you trust more: Luis Ayala, Hector Noesi or Cory Wade? Who do you think Girardi would most trust? I’m honestly not sure the right answer to either of those questions.”

    Noesi for me…..though Wade has been good.

    Also agree with Chad regarding adding a starter…..it needs.to be a true upgrade over what they currently have or its not worth doing. They should look but if prices remain prohibitive or nobody will deal then they should just move on and look to improve other aspects of the club.

  25. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I would say that if Chavez comes through this weekend fine we could see him back in the bigs by next week – which would be outstanding. If not though, the Yankees have to get another corner IF and my pick would be Edwin Encarnacion.

    Heck, I would still go get Encarnacion. He’s got some good RH power and can play a few different positions.

  26. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I think yet again it’s worth mentioning, Girardi oftentimes gets the best out of his guys in the bullpen. Of course, the pitchers are doing the work, but Girardi’s near relentless faith in some of the guys does give them time to turn it around.

    I’m sure it’s a combination of good talent, good talent evaluators, good coaching, and good management, but I don’t think it’s coincidence at this point. Heck, Girardi got something out of Farnsworth when Torre couldn’t.

  27. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am

    austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 am
    If Parraz is the only answer to lack of offensive production, don’t expect much. Look at his career, and explain how he will help.

    —————-

    He’s never played in the majors so I don’t know what stats you’re talking about.

    That said, he has to be an upgrade over Chris Dickerson.

  28. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Yes, Russell Martin comes back next year. In fact it wouldn?t shock me if the Yankees made him a two year deal to take away arbitration.

    Martin is one of the biggest problems at this point. The Yankees are at or right at the bottom of the AL in catcher production at this point. He started out fine, but he has taken a broomstick to the plate with him for the last two months.

  29. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Chip-

    Jorge Posada needs to be benched. The question becomes, do you send down Cervelli and make Posada the back-up catcher or do you keep Cervelli and relegate Jorge to a bat off the bench?
    ———————————————-

    If the Yankees don’t trade for a fulltime and good hitting as well as defensive OF’er, rotating the OF and DH positions, while benching Posada, then bring up Montero,have him catch 3xweek resting Martin and DH the other days. Posada will only fill in at 1st on occasion or pinch hit.

  30. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I think the pen is fine….if they could add without giving up too much then ok but that wouldn’t be my focal point with regards to upgrading the team….

    #1. Add a frontline starter
    #2. If #1 can’t be done…..upgrade the offense.
    #3. If neither #1 or #2 can be done with a fair deal…..screw everybody and stand pat and take your chances. Never overpay for relief pitching.

  31. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Chip

    The question becomes, do you send down Cervelli and make Posada the back-up

    ———————————————————————————————————-

    If they were going top do that why didn’t they do it at the beginning of the season?

    It has been said many times Posada’s concussion history has kept them from wanting him to catch.

  32. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Blake -

    For me it’s a matter of trust – I don’t know what Hughes has this year, Garcia’s been good against bad offensive teams but has been lit up by likely playoff teams (Detroit and Boston) and then there’s Colon.

    That said, with the exception of Ubaldo there really isn’t anyone good on the market

  33. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Chip,

    I am talking about lack of power and his .280 BA the last two years in AAA for a 26 year old. Could he be a 4th outfielder? Probably so. He will not add to the offense in any significant way.

    What do you see to think otherwise?

  34. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Posada isn’t catching…..he would have already done so by now if that were an option just to give him more value. When he didn’t catch at the beggining of the year when Cervelli was out….or when Martin was hurt that said all that needed to be said about Jorge ever putting the catching gear on again unless there was a true emergency.

  35. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Posada must go. He’s not a DH and both he and Jeter are in decline. Posada tho, is probably toast. I can’t see Girardi putting a .200 DH on the post season roster. Chavez… might be the guy.

  36. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am
    Love that picture of Gardner and Granderson.
    ———————————
    What’s the caption?

    Looking at the scoreboard, bottom of the 8th losing 2-1.

    “CC will shoot us if we don’t win tonight on his birthday”

    Others?

  37. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 am
    Yes, Russell Martin comes back next year. In fact it wouldn?t shock me if the Yankees made him a two year deal to take away arbitration.

    Martin is one of the biggest problems at this point. The Yankees are at or right at the bottom of the AL in catcher production at this point. He started out fine, but he has taken a broomstick to the plate with him for the last two months
    —————–

    Yankees are one of the top teams in the league in both run production and run differential – after watching teams run on Posada and Cervelli the last two years while the two of them were butchering balls behind the plate I appreciate Martin’s defense.

  38. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Chip,

    I think Danks might hit the market if the White Sox really tank the next 2 weeks and are 7 or 8 games out at the deadline…..other than that I don’t see anything else unless something really off the radar is brewing……like Jack Z finally caving in on Felix.

  39. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    And now…lessons from Buster Olney

    Buster_ESPN A reminder:Having discussions about possible trades is not the same as actually agreeing to a trade. Teams have lots and lots of discussions

  40. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 am
    Chip,

    I am talking about lack of power and his .280 BA the last two years in AAA for a 26 year old. Could he be a 4th outfielder? Probably so. He will not add to the offense in any significant way.

    What do you see to think otherwise?

    —————-

    Not looking at Parraz as a “savior” but just as a better option as a 4th OF than Chris Dickerson.

  41. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    At this point Martin has shown he’s worth bringing back. Even if we start working in the next future catcher next year, I don’t think they’d be ready for the full time position.

    Martin also works really well with his catchers. We’ve seen pretty uniformly great to solid performances from everyone this year. You also can’t call that a coincidence considering the question marks that surrounded the staff entering the season.

  42. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    This is a big homestand against teams we should and need to take apart. And the Cashman clock ticks inexorably on towards the trade deadline.

  43. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    I think Heyman has passed Olney in usefulness and that’s really saying something about Buster….he used to be a good reporter.

  44. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I am not sure I understand Chad’s surprise at being back on the field so quickly. He has been out since May with a sprained foot plus various maladies.

    Does anyone really believe he can play regularly? Even he doesn’t.

  45. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 am
    Chip,

    I think Danks might hit the market if the White Sox really tank the next 2 weeks and are 7 or 8 games out at the deadline…..other than that I don’t see anything else unless something really off the radar is brewing……like Jack Z finally caving in on Felix.

    ——————-

    I think the M’s are far more likely to deal Bedard than the White Sox are to move Danks. The White Sox at this point can’t trust Jake Peavy and Buehrle is a FA at the end of the year.

  46. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Those video ads here are stupid and annoying… how do you turn them off?

  47. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    WCYF,

    Yes the Yankees really need to take advantage of the upcoming home stand….this is a big part of the season…..they have a chance to really get fat over the next two weeks with Oakland, Seattle, and Baltimore coming to town. Need a 6-3 or 7-2 homestand….7-2 is totally doable.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    its August now and I don’t see Posada turning things around. Batting .224 with no pop is unacceptable
    ///

    Hey Mike in RI, you didn’t see Posada turning it around earlier, either, did you? It depends on how they Yankees view Posada. If they say, he’s in his last year, so we can certainly look ahead here & bring in Montero to get more PAs than he would just backing up (conservative approach regarding Montero, who should really just come up and split time with Martin with some DH thrown in IMO), or do they say, he got hot earlier, was taken out of the loop with that trip in NL parks and the ASB intervening, he’ll probably get hot again and he’s also owed the balance of his $13 million.

    I think Jorge will start hitting again. The lineup needs Alex back and Montero promoted. That would solve a lot of problems & cost no high-end players.

  49. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    So here’s my lineup on August 1:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Cano
    Swisher
    Chavez – DH
    Edwin Encarnacion – 3b
    Martin
    Gardner

    Bench: Jones, Cervelli, Posada, Nunez

  50. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Chip,

    never count out the White Sox for doing anything…..Danks would cost a lot probably though even if they did make him available.

  51. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I think Danks might hit the market if the White Sox really tank the next 2 weeks and are 7 or 8 games out at the deadline.
    ———————————————————–

    If the WS are that far back from winning the central, the first to go will likely be Edwin Jackson.

    lefty Bruce Chen, who lost a pitcher’s duel to Danks 1-0 the other day might be available for cheap.

  52. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Chip,

    Parraz may well be better than Dickerson, but he hits from the right side. I have no problem giving him a shot in lieu of Dickersom, but I prefer a real offensive addition.

  53. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I can’t even believe we’re all clamoring for Eric Chavez. He hasn’t been healthy in five years, including this one. Unless we’re planning on playing him two days a week, and one of those is a DH after three days off from the field, we shouldn’t expect much at all. He’s proven that dozens and dozens of times.

  54. RadioKev July 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    You would have to be pretty desperate to deal for Bedard. The guy pitched well this season, but he’s completely undependable because of injury risk. That’s a flip of the coin I wouldn’t take down the stretch.

  55. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    J Alfred,

    I hope you’re right but I don’t feel it with Posada….he’s getting his hits but it’s almost August now….they can’t wait forever and he really can’t contribute any other way.

  56. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 am
    Chip,

    Parraz may well be better than Dickerson, but he hits from the right side. I have no problem giving him a shot in lieu of Dickersom, but I prefer a real offensive addition.

    ————–

    A) What’s wrong with hitting from the right side when two of your starting OFs are LH and the third is a switch hitter?

    B) That’s fine, 4th OF isn’t really that important that it’s worth spending this much time on.

  57. hardwired7 July 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Those video ads here are stupid and annoying… how do you turn them off?

    ———————-

    use Firefox w/the Adblock Plus add-on.

    problem solved.

  58. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 am

    By the way – the Yankees did sign Marcus Thames to a minor league deal so I would expect to see him up here at some point in the next week or so.

  59. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 am

    The home stand will be against teams with little hitting and good pitching. To have a successful home stand they will need to scratch out runs and play good defense.

    Their competitors also play many teams with poor records so gaining ground will not be easy.

  60. Mike Ri July 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 am

    J Alfred

    —I think Jorge will start hitting again. The lineup needs Alex back and Montero promoted. That would solve a lot of problems & cost no high-end players.

    ——
    Posada had a little hot streak … .However we’ve seen enough of a sampling thus far to suggest we have one of the worse hitting DH’s in the league. .. His OBP , Batting Average and power numbers prove that. Its August now and with Arod down and out .. Tex struggling , and Montero burried in the minors . . Its time to start looking at a bat…. i do agree with you that Montero should be here.

  61. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Chip,

    Last 4th OF comment. The Yankees are weak, as you know, vs. LHPs and they somehow think Dickerson will help. Personally, I have never seen it.

  62. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Yankees losing 2-1, top of the ninth, Posada gets a hit instead of popping up. Who was left on the bench to run for turtle? Dickerson was already pinch hit for by Grandy. Is Posada staying in, needing one run or is a pitcher being used to pinch run? Turtle too-Andruw Jones?

  63. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 am

    austinmac-

    You mean RHP’s??

  64. MaineYankee July 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 am

    I’ve seen it mention more than once that it’s August.

    I know I’m in a different time zone but I didn’t know it applied to the calendar as well :lol:

  65. 108 stitches July 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Jorge Posada was a valuable piece to championships past but the 2011 Yankees can’t live on yesterdays. Give him the remainder of his final year on the bench as an [occasional] PH or DH but no more.
    The starting pitching staff has done their part with quality starts and the bullpen minus Chamberlain and Soriano has held it’s own. Pitching is not the urgency.
    In another week, this need needs to shed Jones and Cervelli and get a quality run producing bat.
    Waiting for Alex to return and staying status quo won’t work.

  66. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    U2 has been my favorite band for the last 25 years. I can’t imagine that fact ever changing.

  67. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Posada had a little hot streak ? .However we?ve seen enough of a sampling thus far to suggest we have one of the worse hitting DH?s in the lea

    Most sensical post yet. Po is not what he was, and you guys grasping at the straws of love for him only make the team worse. Bench him, call up Montero, and be done with this stupid loyalty to him”in the hopes” that he can get hot again for a couple weeks before slipping right back into his reality.
    It’s unbearable to watch this guy swing at this point in his career, and all he doing is damaging the enormous admiration we all had from him.

  68. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 am

    It is insanely hot outside.

  69. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 am

    austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 am
    Chip,

    Last 4th OF comment. The Yankees are weak, as you know, vs. LHPs and they somehow think Dickerson will help. Personally, I have never seen it.

    ————–

    Frankly I didn’t understand what the rush was to send Golson back to AAA. He was up for a few games, played part of one and was then sent down. Guess there was something off the field that the Yankees didn’t like.

  70. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 am

    From MLBTR’s

    John Henry-
    “We like this team, so I don’t anticipate many changes at all,” Henry said. “I think more so than in years past. Obviously, we could use a strong right-handed bat, but this year that’s a difficult commodity to get.”
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    What’s not to like. You’re starting staff has been injured but you have the 2nd best record in majors and can outslug any team on the planet.

  71. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 am

    U2 has been my favorite band for the last 25 years. I can?t imagine that fact ever changing..

    I’ve always found them a funny band. There is no middle ground with them…they’re like the Yankees, you either love them, or hate them.
    Personally, I would’nt go see them if they were staging a concert in my backyard, but it’s always been funny to me how they’re viewed that way.

  72. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 am

    We like this team, so I don?t anticipate many changes at all,? Henry said. ?I think more so than in years past. Obviously, we could use a strong right-handed bat, but this year that?s a difficult commodity to

    I’ll belive that when I see it. He’s so full of it. I believe that as much as I believed Cashman saying Crosby was the starting CF for the NY Yankees.

  73. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 am

    *your* starting staff

  74. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Look, we all know this is Posada’s last year. And we’ll see what happens in the next week as far as adding offense.

    That said, I think this is going to be a very quiet trade deadline for the Yankees, even moreso than last year.

    Cashman looks at his roster and sees getting bench help back in Chavez and bullpen help back in Soriano. He also just added Marcus Thames to a minor league deal and knows he can turn to him for bench power as well.

    He also knows that if he needs another SP he has one in Nova and will soon be getting Alex back as well.

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to bench Posada – but it’s possible that he loses at bats when Chavez comes back up.

    Maybe, maybe, they go for an upgrade over Chris Dickerson, but I doubt it.

    Frankly, I think the Yankees could do a lot worse than trying to swing a deal with the Rox for Giambi and Wiggington – let Giambi DH and play Wiggington at 3b until Alex comes back – but I doubt that happens.

  75. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Gotta go. Have a good day all. Hopefully the weather will cool down soon.

  76. Tom in N.J. July 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Yankees signed Thames

  77. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Howard-I think I’m the exception to your U2 rule. I’m right in the middle-don’t hate them, don’t love them. ;)

  78. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    “I’ve always found them a funny band. There is no middle ground with them…they’re like the Yankees, you either love them, or hate them.
    Personally, I would’nt go see them if they were staging a concert in my backyard, but it’s always been funny to me how they’re viewed that way.”

    I would agree. I think that they were more widely loved before Bono got all “I’ve got to save the world”. Funny how people get annoyed at people who want to do good things.

  79. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Welcome back Marcus.

  80. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    I love U2….would love to see them live but they don’t come near where I live very often.

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 am

    That Bono-Edge acoustic performance was exceptional, I just happened to be watching that night.

    On a side note; I am not a Gaga fan but I happened to see a live acoustic piano performance she did of “The Edge Of Glory, a song about her grandfather” in Howard Stern’s studio. He sent the video out on his Twitter feed a few days ago. I was blown away how good she was.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ture=share

  82. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 am

    YT,

    Yes, I meant RHPs. There goes my call to join the Yankees front office. :)

  83. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Right now Tex sits 8th in WAR for 1B. 9 guys are slugging higher then him including Todd Helton. 17 guys have a higher on base then him. 20 have a higher batting average and 16 guys have more hits then him. The worst part about is we have years to look forward to of his power numbers decreasing where he becomes a 230 30 90 type hitter.

    Arod took a lot of heat in NY before his playoff series in 09 because he wasn’t seen as clutch but his playoffs were still way better then Tex’s were and Alex still put up monster regular seasons, especially having to deal with the fans,media scrutiny and Jeter’s treatment toward him.

    Could you imagine what Mark’s numbers would be if he had to go through everything Arod went through.

    To me Tex remains the biggest issue with the offense.

  84. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    JonLaneNYC Johnny Damon: David Robertson ‘best setup man in the game’ http://bit.ly/olcihO #Yankees

  85. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Only dumb Yankee fans ever critized Arod for his postseason performance….what they didn’t realize is that they may not have even made the playoffs a few of those years without him.

  86. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I love how Damon still is very respectful of the Yankees even though they let him go and didn’t pursue him hard this winter…..he understands the situation and isn’t bitter about it. I like JD….hope he’s able to hang around and gets his 3,000 hits.

  87. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Thames is the offensive addition? Looks like it. Wow. Now, they can choose from Jorge, Jones or Thames as the DH.

    Next winter, please don’t say they will fill their needs at the TD as was frequently said last off-season. More teams are in the race and more teams have money lessening their need to trade.

  88. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    JonLaneNYC Johnny Damon: David Robertson ‘best setup man in the game’ http://bit.ly/olcihO #Yankees

    *******

    Thanks, great article.

    It’s one thing for Girardi, Mr. obsessive compulsive organizer man, to have difficulty moving Derek Jeter or Teixeira from their slots. It’s quite another to ignore how good David Robertson has been and to move Soriano right back into the eighth inning role. That would be ludicrous.

  89. austinmac July 22nd, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Is Damon a possible waiver pick up in August if the Rays are out of it? He would be a help against RHPs.

  90. jonathan p July 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    why dont the yankees call up montero and give him a few days as the DH. It is SO obvious to me (a diehard yankees fan) that posada is finished. you simply CANNOT have a DH hitting 220 who runs like molasses.

  91. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 10:33 am

    WCYF-thanks for the Lady Gaga link. Very cool performance. I’m not a huge fan of hers either, but I have to admit I love “The Edge of Glory” :)

  92. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Glad you liked it. Pretty great performance; you just listen to the words, music and voice and ignore the outfits and trappings and you can’t help but conclude that woman has major talent.

  93. JobaTipsHisCap July 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    finally a three game series, they’d better win it.

    btw, this time will it take Tex 100 AB for a HR?

  94. Chambliss July 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    The Marcus Thames revolving door is a bit odd. His numbers against lefties are horrible this year according to MLB Trade rumors. I suppose the Yankees are hoping that a change of scenery will help.

    The reluctance to give Montero a shot is bizarre. Maybe they are waiting until rosters expand. When your DH and both catchers are all batting .200, why not give Montero a shot?

  95. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I would absolutely pick up Damon if he were on the wire….however I think the Rays will hold on to him and maybe even bring him back next year. He’s leading them in hits.

  96. jonathan p July 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Chambliss i completely agree. I just have this sinking feeling that the yankees are going to trade montero and he is going to blossom into a miguel cabrera. He may not be a catcher but give the kid a few reps at DH and a few days at catcher and see what you have. I truly do not get the reluctance to promote him. Let the kid have some hope.

  97. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Are they putting Thames on the big league club? That would be total redundancy with Jones.

  98. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    The reluctance to give Montero a shot is bizarre. Maybe they are waiting until rosters expand.

    This would not make sense because he isnt even on the 40 man. If they were going to add him on sept just to bring him up they should do it now.

  99. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Are they putting Thames on the big league club? That would be total redundancy with Jones.

    Minor league deal

  100. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Marcus did a nice job for them last season but what are the odds he repeats that performance especially in light of how he’s done so far this season?

  101. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 am

    # jonathan p July 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    why dont the yankees call up montero and give him a few days as the DH. It is SO obvious to me (a diehard yankees fan) that posada is finished. you simply CANNOT have a DH hitting 220 who runs like molasses.

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    If Jesus isn’t traded he’ll be called up hopefully.

  102. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I would be shocked if Montero plays 1 game with the big league club

  103. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 am

    You registered just to say that?

  104. The Genius Maker July 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Tex has an OPS of .831. With his solid defense he is still a good player. that being said, his OPS the 3 previous years was .950 so what the heck happened? He was not so pull happy before he got here and that is the biggest issue. While I would expect Tex to have an OPS closer to .900 he is not the only issue on the offense. Dropping from ARod to Nunez is a huge issue. Jeter continues to hit terrible and it is now 1.5 years so this is more than a streak, it is most likely what it appears. he could do a little better, but not expecting much. Posada has been disappointing also as last year he had an .811 OPS and I would have expected about a .750 or so. Cano is also an issue as he is hacking like crazy right now. this is a guy who should hit .330 easily, but he chases everything when he has his mind set on swinging. His .848 OPS is as bad as Tex’s, especially after a .915 last year. Finally, you have swisher who is at .773 or 100 OPS points below his last 2 years. Honestly, Swish is probably an .800 OPS type of guy.

    Gardner and Granderson have done well (although I predicted Gardner to do this) so this offsets 2 players but overall far worse than expected. that being said, we have the 3rd best record in baseball. We get some relievers back and our offense to play to its norm and we are as good as anyone. Long season, hang in there

  105. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I would be shocked if Montero plays 1 game with the big league club

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    This yr or in general?

  106. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 am

    I would be shocked if Montero plays 1 game with the big league club

    Ditto. He’s as good as gone in my opinion. If not now, this winter.

  107. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 am

    If i were Montero i would be dejected, watching other teams bring up their star prospects, instead watching my team do everything they can to not bring me up, even though the DH/C on this team are all hitting sub .230, with almost no power, and also not fantastic (though not bad) behind the plate either.

  108. The Genius Maker July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 am

    BTW, I liked Chad’s random thoughts this post. here is my blog if you woudl like to read about pitch selection…take a look at yesterdays blog
    http://www.stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  109. 86w183 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Thames makes no sense to me. Golson is a better option if it comes to that.

    Sad to see Jorge end his career like this. After a terrific June he is 6-41 (.146) in July with one extra base hit and 2 RBI. In other words he has been slightly more effective than a cardboard cut out.

    Does a combination of Adam Warren and Jordan Parraz get Beltran? It’s time to do something.

  110. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 am

    This offense screwed up CC’s chances of 25 wins this year… :)

  111. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Montero can’t catch and there is no place for him at DH going forward. Combine that with an average season in SWB hitting .281 so far, a weak spring training and the fact that his prospect ranking has dropped – these realities make him an ideal trade candidate before his value diminishes anymore. It already has to some extent. If you bring him up and he bombs; it will drop even more.

    I hope they don’t make the same mistake they did with Joba. I believe Cashman’s reluctance to include Joba cost us Dan Haren.

  112. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 am

    # ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 am

    If i were Montero i would be dejected, watching other teams bring up their star prospects, instead watching my team do everything they can to not bring me up, even though the DH/C on this team are all hitting sub .230, with almost no power, and also not fantastic (though not bad) behind the plate either.

    ——————————————-

    It’s the Yankee way and then when the guy succeeds somewhere they take bows because they came from their system.

  113. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Sign Paul Oneil to a minor league contract !

  114. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    “Montero can’t catch and there is no place for him at DH going forward”

    how many times have you seen him catch?

  115. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Montero can’t catch and there is no place for him at DH going forward. Combine that with an average season in SWB hitting .281 so far, a weak spring training and the fact that his prospect ranking has dropped – these realities make him an ideal trade candidate before his value diminishes anymore. It already has to some extent. If you bring him up and he bombs; it will drop even more.

    I hope they don’t make the same mistake they did with Joba. I believe Cashman’s reluctance to include Joba cost us Dan Haren.

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    He could bomb but he can come up like Cano and succeed. It can go either way.

  116. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Montero can’t catch and there is no place for him at DH going forward. Combine that with an average season in SWB hitting .281 so far, a weak spring training and the fact that his prospect ranking has dropped – these realities make him an ideal trade candidate before his value diminishes anymore. It already has to some extent. If you bring him up and he bombs; it will drop even more.

    I hope they don’t make the same mistake they did with Joba. I believe Cashman’s reluctance to include Joba cost us Dan Haren.

    ___

    He is 21. And we have seen what he is capable of doing. We have no threats in the minor leagues except for him, and an offense that 75% of the time just looks awful…. You cannot trade him before giving him a chance, unless you get something more back for him.

    Right now, we should not be worried about starters because hitting is a much more pressing need.

  117. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 am

    The Yankees haven’t been reluctant to trade Montero. He’s been offered a couple of times hasn’t he. Maybe it’s a sign that he’s still here.

  118. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 am

    I think Montero has been pressing this entire season….I have nothing to back that up but he was quoted in ST as saying that he wanted to make the team and that was his goal…..I think he’s likely sick of being in the minors and sick of being in trade rumors constantly and wants to get to the big leagues……whether that’s affecting his performance or not I have no idea….but people tend to perform better when they are happy and in stable enviroments.

  119. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Heard the temperature in The Bronx today will pass 100.
    That is a lot of heat. ARod would have welcomed this heat with open arms.

  120. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am

    It’s the Yankee way and then when the guy succeeds somewhere they take bows because they came from their system.

    ___

    Our last run came from guys like Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, mixed with O’Neill and Tino.

    Wang and Cano came up and were great….

    I don’t get this idea that we cannot bring up guys from the minors and succeed….

  121. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Montero has only been offered for #1 starting pitchers.

  122. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    . We have no threats in the minor leagues except for him, and an offense that 75% of the time just looks awful

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    You didn’t get the memo the Yankees can acquire bats without blinking an eye lol.

  123. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I think he’s likely sick of being in the minors and sick of being in trade rumors constantly and wants to get to the big leagues……whether that’s affecting his performance or not I have no idea….but people tend to perform better when they are happy and in stable enviroments.

    __

    I mean, even Pendleton, Garrison and other scrubs get calls up…
    How can that not affect him a little?

  124. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am

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    You didn’t get the memo the Yankees can acquire bats without blinking an eye lol.

    ______

    Oh….. nope missed the memo. Maybe they should go get a bat then, unless 2 runs a night works for them…

  125. ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Someone here good with looking up stats should be able to tell us the last time any major league team did not have even one guy with a .300 average going into August.

  126. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I have seen numerous videos of Montero catching on YouTube, as well as on television in Spring Training with the Yankees, I look at his stats and read scouting reports all the time. I don’t need to see a ballplayer in person to have a valid opinion of him and I am far from alone in thinking that Montero will most likely not be a major league catcher. Maybe I’ll be wrong.

  127. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Laird got called up and he is hitting WORSE than Montero. If I were Montero I’d be like, ‘really?’

  128. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Lady Gaga is nothing more than this generation’s version of Madonna, but with a better voice.

  129. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ac1-don’t get me started on the lack of a 300 hitter on this team. i heard the stat again last night during the game on MLB Network.
    very shocking to hear in late July.

    i guess Cano won’t win a batting title this year(again).

  130. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ac1,

    it could…and you could say that when you’re with the Yankees you had better get used to it because life in the Bronx is no easier….but that’s a different kind of pressure….he’s probably experiencing more frustration and uncertainty now….he’s only 21 years old. The talent and hitting ability is there…..I’m hoping he goes on a rampage in the 2nd half like last year and does some of that damage for the Yankees.

  131. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    The Yankees know better than anyone whether Montero will be able to catch in the big leagues…

  132. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I think he’s likely sick of being in the minors and sick of being in trade rumors constantly and wants to get to the big leagues…

    ————————————————–

    Sometimes I wonder about his thoughts on potentially getting traded. Maybe he wants that.

    In the short term it would be good for him. He’d probably be in the bigs sooner.

    Long term the best place for him is in NY if his talent reaches its potential.

  133. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    The Genius Maker,

    A good player being paid and expected to perform like a great player. Jeter and Posada are not in their primes and weren?t expected to be big parts of the offense anyway. Granderson,Tex,Arod and Cano are supposed to be the core of the offense. I agree that Cano has taken a step back but maybe 2010 was the outlier and not the norm with him. Tex has been declining for 2 years in a row now with no end in sight. Really 2 and a half if you go back to the second half of 09. Your number 3 hitter should be your best hitter and should be able to carry an offense when needed. Tex gets insanely hot for a couple of weeks and hits 400 and gets most of his end of season counting numbers from those 2 week bursts. He belongs hitting 5th not 3rd. I wonder what he would command on the open market if he was a free agent after this season? 12 ? 15 million a year maybe? With or without Tex the Yankees will still make the playoffs, it?s when we get there that is the issue. In just over 100 playoff at bats in his career Tex is hitting 220.

  134. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 am

    If it’s true that Montero is “bored” of being in the minors, and I don’t know if that is true and not just an unfounded rumor, then he has other issues. He has to earn his way, he’s hitting .281 and hasn’t improved that much defensively from what I read. If he wants to show he belongs, he might try hitting .320 with another 10 home runs.

  135. JobaTipsHisCap July 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 am

    with all due respect, gaga sucks, big time.
    She doesn’t have anything, other than the courage to dress like a whooore.

  136. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 am

    blake,

    and now Montero is being offered for Ubaldo who is a clear step below Lee and Halladay so the bar is dropping on what type of player he is being offered for

  137. Jerkface July 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    He has to earn his way, he’s hitting .281 and hasn’t improved that much defensively from what I read. If he wants to show he belongs, he might try hitting .320 with another 10 home runs.

    Hitting .320 shouldn’t be a pre-requisite for a callup. It would help of course, but there is too much evidence of players succeeding despite not hitting .400 in the minors (and he did hit .400 for the first 3 weeks)

  138. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    If he wants to show he belongs, he might try hitting .320 with another 10 home runs.

    ———————–

    He absolutely demolished mL pitching the 2nd half of last year and the Yankees went out and signed Russell Martin and his noodle bat.

  139. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am

    How about Russell Martin, Jorge Posada, and Cervelli do something on offense to show they still belong in the big leagues?

  140. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am

    # ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am

    It’s the Yankee way and then when the guy succeeds somewhere they take bows because they came from their system.

    ___

    Our last run came from guys like Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera, mixed with O’Neill and Tino.

    Wang and Cano came up and were great….

    I don’t get this idea that we cannot bring up guys from the minors and succeed….

    ———————————

    They could but the fear of them failing is too great for some in the FO. The trade value takes a hit and that’s risky. When it comes to the Yankees and prospects if they struggle, adjust, and turn it around than it’s fine but if they struggle for an extended period of time “it’s the Yankees are down on *insert prospect here*”

  141. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Answer me this . . . why hasn’t Montero been brought up then?

    Posada (DH) – .224 BA – .309 OBP – .689 OPS

    Martin (C) – .218 BA – .322 OBP – .692 OPS

    Cervelli (C) – .205 BA – .263 OBP – .536 OPS

  142. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 am

    It’s annoying to see fans accuse other fans in here of not appreciating what Jorge has done for the Yankees because they dare criticize him for being the worst DH in the league this year. One has nothing to do with the other. The point is to win. It’s not to turn the team into a Hall of Presidents museum. They have a Yankees museum and it’s not in between the lines.

    If Cashman doesn’t acquire a real legitimate bat to replace Jorge OR promote Montero to take a shot at doing better than the absolute nothing we have at DH right now, it’s a message that the team is punting the season and is afraid of Jeter and Posada. If they want to go deep into the post season this charade has to end.

    They can’t bench Tex as they have no better options and his contract guarantees we’re stuck with this ridiculously bad offensive performance at 1b until the next mini-streak of his arrives. 23 million for the 9-10th best offensive 1b in the league is a ripoff. Any day now we’re going to hear how he’s been playing through some phantom injury to explain his results.

    They can and should replace the DH. Jorge had his chance. He got his average above .200. He can save face that he didn’t get waived batting .160. That said, the only place he should be occupying is a bench spot where he gets the occasional standing O when Girardi calls on him to pinch hit.

    If the front office is counting on Chavez to be healthy the rest of the season they are dumber than we all give them credit for. Plus you all know Girardi doesn’t have the stones to put Chavez at DH over Jorge. Cashman has to make a deal to force Girardi’s hand and say we got player X to be our DH.

    They need a bat. Soon.

  143. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    and now Montero is being offered for Ubaldo who is a clear step below Lee and Halladay so the bar is dropping on what type of player he is being offered for

    ——————————

    Was there ever a formal offer? Don’t think so.

    Ubaldo’s also a much younger & cheaper option than Doc & Lee. Not saying he’s on their label but those factors raise his price.

  144. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    # ac1 July 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am

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    You didn’t get the memo the Yankees can acquire bats without blinking an eye lol.

    ______

    Oh….. nope missed the memo. Maybe they should go get a bat then, unless 2 runs a night works for them…

    ————————-

    Is it Cashman or Joe that’s ok with the offense?

  145. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Tell us how you really feel, G. Love. ;)

  146. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    What is going on here today… oh the Yankees must have lost last night.

    Sigh.

  147. Joe from Long Island July 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I was going to say something, but a few here, like 86 and G.Love (don’t intend to omit anyone, but i’m in a rush) have already said it.

    Jorge is a cardboard cutout, or worse (cardboard doens’t hit into DPs); they have to add O, else they’ll get too many Ls…..

  148. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    and hasn’t improved that much defensively from what I read.

    ———————————————-

    “Catching wise, he’s come a long way. No doubt about it. Offensively, he hasn’t had the year that he’s capable of or put up typically. But catching wise, he has improved significantly in the last year and from the previous year. He’s gotten better each season.”

    - Cashman

    http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....n-cashman/

  149. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Think about it, why haven’t the Yankees brought Montero up?

  150. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 am

    The Yankees either don’t think Montero is ready for the big show or they are planning on trading him.

  151. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 am

    ID,

    Still think Posada will start hitting again? Weren’t you the one who brought up Ortiz’s struggles last year as proof to Posada turning it around back in May?

  152. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    The Yankees are scoring 3.8 runs per game in July.

    That’s pretty amazing, and not in a good way, for a Yankee team to be that feeble at the plate.

  153. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Think about it, why haven’t the Yankees brought Montero up?

    ——————————-

    Because if he comes up and struggles as a 21 yr old they won’t be able to move him.

  154. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    My guess is that Montero doesn’t get called up this year and is dealt in the off season

  155. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Triple – You seem to confuse proof with possibility. Keep harping on it though.

  156. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    (cardboard doens?t hit into DPs)

    _____________

    hahaha.

  157. Chambliss July 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    With the money that the Yankees have committed to A-Rod, CC and Tex, they need some low cost guys who can produce. Cano was by no means a lock when he came up, and look what he has turned into. They can afford to take a chance with Montero.

  158. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    ID,

    Care to admit you were wrong on Posada?

  159. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Think about it, why haven’t the Yankees brought Montero up?

    ——————–

    As usual with the Yankees, it’s a matter of inertia.

    Cashman falls in love with what he’s familiar with as you can see with the acquisition of Marcus Thames.

    Plus dealing with Posada is not exactly an easy situation.

  160. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Chambliss July 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Cano was by no means a lock when he came up, and look what he has turned into. They can afford to take a chance with Montero.

    —————————————-

    And the funny thing is they tried to move Cano before he came up too lol.

  161. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Triple – I was not wrong. At the time I thought he would hit. I would make that same statement again. Him not hitting does not prove he has no chance of hitting this year. Hindsight should never change the reasons you make a statement.

  162. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Because if he comes up and struggles as a 21 yr old they won?t be able to move him.

    Exactly. They know if he comes up now, after his sub-self half year, and struggles badly, they’ll get half of what they could get if they leave him where he is.
    It’s the Ian Kennedy theory: if you expose him too soon, he looks bad, and you lose value when you trade him.

  163. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Triple – Care to go back through your post history and admit you were wrong about most of the things you say? No, probably not.

  164. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Erin,

    I’m tired of seeing sanctimonious posters accuse other Yankee fans of being bad because they dare criticize Jorge or Jeter.

    Notice how no one rips Mo. You know why? Because he’s still good. He does his job.

    Where does it say that being a fan means you can’t criticize players who are performing poorly? Is there a handbook somewhere?

    Jorge has gotten cheers from every Yankee fan for most of his career. No one is booing him at the stadium. The fans are being respectful.

    That said, you have to be blind to not see he is one of the worst hitters in the lineup day in day out. Giving him a pass because of what he did in the past is worse since it’s putting the needs of the player over the needs of the team. This is a team sport. It’s not the NY Posada’s despite what the media created w/the “core four” nonsense in 2009.

    The one thing that ticks me off when they give Jeter all the credit for the 5 rings is it seems to devalue the contributions of his teammates who played a big and sometimes bigger part in those championships.

    The game isn’t won by iconic players. It’s won by great teams who look past their personal feelings to win.

    We once watched Tino get benched for Cecil Fielder to give the team a better shot to win. Cone went to the bullpen with his arm barely hanging on to face one batter in the WS to help the team win. Girardi sat for Leyritz to help the team win. Guys like Straw and Raines played bench roles to help the team win. Even Sheff took the demotion from RF for Abreu better than Jorge took being asked to bat 9th. Sheff picked up a 1b mitt and gave it his best just to still be part of the lineup. When Damon couldn’t play CF anymore, he didn’t cry when he was moved for Melky.

    I think the Yankees and some of their stars could learn something from the guys who won here in the past. Players have gotten bigger than the team and the manager and front office are terrified of them.

  165. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 am

    # Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Because if he comes up and struggles as a 21 yr old they won?t be able to move him.

    Exactly. They know if he comes up now, after his sub-self half year, and struggles badly, they’ll get half of what they could get if they leave him where he is.
    It’s the Ian Kennedy theory: if you expose him too soon, he looks bad, and you lose value when you trade him.

    ——————————–

    They should have better foresight when it comes to a 21 yr old but that’s the Yankee brain trust. With that being said if Jesus came up and hit like Cano did they would say see we told he was special lol.

  166. West Coast Yankee Fan July 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Laura – I Bleed Blue July 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 am
    The Yankees either don’t think Montero is ready for the big show or they are planning on trading him.

    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am
    Because if he comes up and struggles as a 21 yr old they won’t be able to move him.

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Because if he comes up and struggles as a 21 yr old they won?t be able to move him. Exactly. They know if he comes up now, after his sub-self half year, and struggles badly, they’ll get half of what they could get if they leave him where he is. It’s the Ian Kennedy theory: if you expose him too soon, he looks bad, and you lose value when you trade him.

    ************

    Bingo, bingo and bingo.

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Posada had a little hot streak ? .However we?ve seen enough of a sampling thus far to suggest we have one of the worse hitting DH?s in the lea

    Most sensical post yet. Po is not what he was, and you guys grasping at the straws of love for him only make the team worse. Bench him, call up Montero, and be done with this stupid loyalty to him”in the hopes” that he can get hot again for a couple weeks before slipping right back into his reality.
    It’s unbearable to watch this guy swing at this point in his career, and all he doing is damaging the enormous admiration we all had from him.
    ///

    I have no problem at all admitting love for Posada. I will be sad when he no longer wears pinstripes. That doesn’t mean my judgment is impaired on his abilities. Interesting how the knee-jerk “get rid of him!” “It’s unbearable to watch this guy…” etc. isn’t seen for the heightened emotionalism that it is, and that such commenters take swipes at other people for being “fans” with vain “hopes”, but their own shaky ground, fueled by a weird sort of cabin fever like venom, they think comes off as detached and full of clarity.

    He’s signed for $13 million, and he made some look very premature in dismissing him earlier here. I told you something worth considering: that he didn’t get into many of the NL road games & the ASB followed hard upon. I think he had one turn as a 1B and had a pinch hit. Yes, I’m an advocate of brining Montero here. I have only been screaming about every other post or so for months. But I also don’t care that you can’t stand to watch a player in a slump, one who did get hot while people here were writing his epitaph.

    I don’t have illusions that Posada’s his 2007 self. But I don’t see his replacement at DH hanging around, either, or any willingness on the part of the Yankees to bring up their young catching prospect with the remarkable hitting tools. Therefore, I am not going to pull my hair out about getting rid of Posada. We disagree on whether he’s done. I don’t believe that.

  168. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 am

    “blake,

    and now Montero is being offered for Ubaldo who is a clear step below Lee and Halladay so the bar is dropping on what type of player he is being offered for”

    not really….all #1 type frontline talents. Ubaldo is much cheaper than those 2. I would rather trade Montero for Ubaldo and his contract than for 3 months of Cliff Lee.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 am

    *had a pinch hit appearance.

  170. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    G. Love, I understand, believe me. You do make some good points.

  171. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 am

    What if they don’t trade Montero? They plan on keeping him in the minors forever?

    You don’t think other teams know what the Yankees are doing?

  172. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    ID,

    Why am I not surprised that you wouldn’t say you were wrong. You thought Posada would hit and didn’t want to get rid of him. 2 months later he hasn’t hit. How were you not wrong?

    I unlike you have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I admited I was wrong on Colon

  173. blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 am

    If Jorge could still catch he’d have value and it wouldn’t matter nearly as much if he hit or not…..but he can’t and he’s not producing anywhere close to enough offensively to remain the DH. He’s a HOFer in my book and he’s one of my favorite Yankees ever…..but it’s almost August and they have to make a change if he doesn’t really turn it on by the trade deadline.

  174. LGY July 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Prufrock

    Posada getting hot for a few weeks doesn’t prove the player wasn’t done all along.

    Any player can get hot for a short period of time. Real major league baseball players are those who can sustain success however.

    This entire season when evaluated as a whole shows Posada is cooked and the plug should have been pulled a while ago.

  175. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 am

    You don?t think other teams know what the Yankees are doing?

    That’s a risk they take. See, if he comes up and hits .230, at least to other teams, there is no question that he’s just another in a long line of hyped up power hitters who dominated lower levels and struggled when pitchers could adjust to him.
    If they leave him there, it’s a risk they have to assume. All the leverage is in the Yankee fans.
    Again, that’s why IPK was a throw in, and not the headliner he would be now.

  176. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 am

    blake July 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 am
    J Alfred,

    I hope you’re right but I don’t feel it with Posada….he’s getting his hits but it’s almost August now….they can’t wait forever and he really can’t contribute any other way.
    ///

    Like I said, if they platoon with Montero while latter gets 50-50 split or 40-60 with Martin, that would seem a smart course of action. They don’t seem willing to do that. And of course I “hope” I’m right, too. I can’t guarantee anything, but people here declaring the guy done earlier seemed to have never seen his career, entertaining NO possibility that he was in a totally new role. He was really hot for a while there. If he just never hits again, well then, he’s not being re-signed any way, and the Arods & DJs and Tex’s are going to get their DH days as well. The smart thing would be to ease in Montero in dual roles.

  177. Howard July 22nd, 2011 at 11:57 am

    I admited I was wrong on Colon

    Ditto. But, I still think he’ll fall back to earth. The whole “gained his pre-asb form” stuff is a fallacy. He’s sitting at 92, not 95 like then, and he got a BUNCH of great corner calls in that game. If he rebounds to where he was, I’ll eat my words but I certainly don’t want him facing Boston anytime soon in an important game.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    blake July 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 am
    If Jorge could still catch he’d have value and it wouldn’t matter nearly as much if he hit or not…..but he can’t and he’s not producing anywhere close to enough offensively to remain the DH. He’s a HOFer in my book and he’s one of my favorite Yankees ever…..but it’s almost August and they have to make a change if he doesn’t really turn it on by the trade deadline.
    //

    With who? We already see their reluctance to raise Jesus. Beltran is really a major longshot, declaring he wants to play in the NL and having tons of suitors to top for him. I bet he also would chuckle at the idea of some here that he’s going to platoon with Brett Gardner and Nick Swisher, and get some turns at DH. He rightly would immediately be an everyday player with the occasional “half”day. He’s going into a contract year, he’s not going to be interested in that.

  179. Vineyard Yankee July 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    What time does the next BINGO game start ? B-14 beat me last game.

  180. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Triple – That’s great, but you’re completely missing the point.

    Yes, I thought he would hit and he didn’t. Great.

    I had plenty of stated reasons to believe Posada would hit, the fact that he didn’t hit doesn’t make those reasons wrong. It just means it didn’t happen.

    So sure, I am currently wrong as he has not yet started to hit… but you don’t get to determine the cutoff dates for my opinions, so kindly F off.

    You’ve been chasing me around for 3 days about this, I hope your life is complete now.

  181. baxterny July 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    dont want to be wiseguy, but the yankees face A’s M’s and O’s. They will win 7-8 out of 10, everyone will get their swagger back all will be right in the world,no need for a trade,all is well , etc. Then they go to chi and boston and we start all over again with the end of the world. Need to make some tough decisions now before the alphabet teams give them a false sense of security

  182. Joe from Long Island July 22nd, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    G.Love is just being the professional writer that he is (I think), and putting his thoughts and emotions out there for all to see. But, I think we all have the same feelings.

    Nobody is dissin’ Jorge or Jeter when they say they ain’t as good as they used to be. Jeter is at least playing at a somewhat useful ML level, and can still field his position.

    Jorge can no longer field, he can’t run the bases, and he can no longer hit ML pitching, despite having found the fountain of youth in June. It’s long past Memorial Day. It’s clear they can no longer wait for what is not going to happen.

    And I’m not expecting them to morph into a team that will no longer lose any games at all. But, rather, to become a team that has a little more punch, less “automatic” outs and black holes, that you need to go deep into October.

    I know it’s not easy to move a proud vet along, but, in any business, you have to do it. Not to, makes no sense at all.

  183. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    str8edgeracer Photo: Robbie and Papi enjoying the show #mLB #redsox #yankees http://tumblr.com/x1v3n50pt3

  184. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    str8edgeracer Photo: Robbie and Papi enjoying the show #mLB #redsox #yankees http://tumblr.com/x1v3n50pt3

    **********************

    awesome picture-if only Milkshakes wasn’t in it. ;)

  185. G. Love July 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Joe From LI,

    I think Jeter’s playing an excellent defensive SS. When he did the jump throw the other night, he missed that runner by a step and that throw was a bullet. I was very impressed with the way he got to that ball and the quality of the throw he put on it.

    He’s not hitting RHP well though, but he’s not as big of a problem as a DH who can’t hit. Especially, when your star 1b has fallen into a black hole again this season.

  186. Chip July 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    The reasons Montero’s not here (IMO)

    1. Yankees don’t have a spot for him.
    I know that we fans are the final authorities on who deserves to play and who doesn’t; but no one has explained that to Girardi and Cashman who are happy with the defense Martin has given behind the plate and will accept the lack of offense at it. At DH, benching Posada causes a whole lot more problems/distractions than it’s worth – remember how well Jorge handled being moved down in the lineup? Imagine the tantrum he will throw if he’s benched.

    2. Montero’s not on the 40.
    Again, I know there are plenty of players who we fans think are wastes of roster space but the Yankees obviously don’t. In addition, they’re going to need at least two more spots on it for Soriano and Chavez in the next couple of weeks. They can open up spots by moving Marquez and Mitre to the 60-Day DL (effectively ending their seasons) but after that you’ve got to cut. The most likely candidate (if you’re adding Montero) is Gus Molina but the Yankees have always liked to have one veteran they could call on in the minors so I don’t see them going that route.

    3. The Yankees don’t want Montero to be a part time player
    When he’s here, he’s here to play. Not play every couple of days, but every single day.

    4. He’s not exactly making a case for himself
    For whatever reason Montero’s power just isn’t there this year. Calling up a kid who is struggling and asking him to be the “savior” isn’t fair to him or the team and I don’t think the Yankees would put that kind of pressure on him.

    After the deadline, assuming he’s still here, maybe the Yankees will make some changes. If they can’t upgrade the offense through a trade (which I don’t think they can/will) and Jorge is still ineffective then maybe, maybe they bring him up…but I still doubt it. Most likely they’ll look at Chavez as their upgrade at DH and leave it at that.

  187. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Yanks signed Marcus Thames to a minor league deal. That Cashman is probably going to get Chad Gaudin next.

  188. sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    or Randy Winn…

  189. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    NickSwisher Glad to be back in NYC. I love this city.

  190. pat July 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Erin

    That’s why Photoshop was invented. :wink:

  191. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    sunny615 July 22nd, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    or Randy Winn?

    *********************

    Ugh. Don’t even say that. ;)

  192. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    pat-exactly!! :)

  193. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Why all the hate on Teixeira? Like a 2 week power slump is some magical thing that no other baseball player in the league ever has? 2 weeks ago he hit 4 HR’s in 5 games, hit BA hasn’t fluxuated more than 10 points in either direction in 2 months. Your aritrary “he hasn’t hit in the last 2 or 3 weeks” is just that, arbitrary and meaningless.

    He doesn’t hit for average. Big deal, average does not equal production.

    Who here could actually name the 5 most valuable 1B in the league (by fWAR) over the last 30 days… no one… becuase the list is ridiculous. Cuddyer, Young, Murphy, Helton, Napoli. Man, I really wish Teixeira could be one of THOSE guys instead of the awesome player that he is.

  194. Erin July 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

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  195. Bronx Jeers July 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    G Love,

    I particularly enjoyed the ” Dave Kingman ” post yesterday.

    ———————————-

    “You’ve been chasing me around for 3 days about this, I hope your life is complete now.”

    ID,

    I’m empty and aching and I don’t know why. I may have to chase you around on your AJ stance to see if that helps.

  196. Irreverent Discourse July 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    BJ – I’m bored and avoiding working… I’ll argue anything right now haha

  197. Ace July 22nd, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Seems like they r hiding montero for as long as they can so they can get a front line SP in return

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