Yankees lineup
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 23, 2011 
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1. Gardner LF
2. Jeter SS
3. Granderson CF
4. Teixeira 1B
5. Cano DH
6. Swisher RF
7. Martin C
8. Nunez 2B
9. Laird 3B
Burnett P
It reinforces my growing belief that he may not be physically up to the rigors of being a starter.
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You might be right about that. He may not be built to pitch as a starter every 5 days. He seems to get fatigued at the end of seasons.
Re-post RE: Hughes as a starter from last thread:
Last year his first 16 starts he averaged 6.75 innings with a 3.42 ERA
In his last 13 starts he averaged 5.1 innings with a 5.56 ERA
Post season, great with lots of rest vs Minnesota, awful with less than a week vs Texas
Harden should be an interesting pitcher to watch. Really a pity because at one time, he had as much talent as any pitcher in baseball. Injuries killed his career.
I don’t see what going to the minors does for Hughes. Even in his rehab starts without his velocity, he was mowing through hitters. Every report from the minors is glowing – throwing 4 pitches for strikes, sharp curveball, touching 95, lots of swinging strikes, etc.
Even if you tell him not to worry about results and ‘work’ on things… how do you quantify ‘work’? The best way is to watch the reaction of the hitters and he could throw an awful curveball that an AAA pitchers just swung through but a ML hitter would crush.
Hughes may need to get in shape this winter as has been suggested by others. Showing up at camp sloppy physically as some reported sure doesn’t help one’s endurance.
Yank 97,
If Hughes is reported to throw 95 this year in the minors they need to buy a new radar gun. He hit 92 once or twice that I saw yesterday. He threw 88-89 more than 92. His progress will be shown when he consistently is at 92-94 as he did the first half of last year.
Putting on weight that is mostly muscle doesn’t mean he’s sloppy. Lifting weights for a pitcher is something that I never agreed with, other than light weights to keep toned.
I can’t remember a younger line-up. It’s good to be young on a day like today. I mean it’s good to be young any day but if you’re playing daytime baseball in 100+ temps, being young can’t hurt.
Take Laird for example. To him today is 65º and breezy.
Maybe conditioning is part of it, but he was in great shape last year and his second half performance was dramatically worse than his first half.
My first choice would be for Phil to be a starter but can he be the 3.42 ERA guy he was thru 16 starts last year or is he going to be the 6.65 guy he has been in his last 19 starts?
I’m giving Hughes a pass on last night…he just didn’t look comfortable the star because of the heat
Bronx Jeers July 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 am
I can’t remember a younger line-up
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Today is the birth of the baby bombers
Would have liked to see Cervelli in the lineup
finally girardi listens to reason and changes the order…
AJ feels comfortable with Martin.
igotid88
you make me laugh, cause hughes was yankee high rated prospect u give him all these excuses,
and burnett gets drilled with critisim after his start against the rays, which he did bad, but comin off extended break kept the team in it,
bottom line, both guys are unrealble at the moment, but makin excuses for hughes is ridiculas, dont give me that 10 yr vet vs young pitcher BS, how many other young pitchers in the league are better than hughes right now
that said, im glad hughes didnt blame the conditions, and i LIKE hughes, I want him to succed, but i wont make excuses for him
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....evDate=722
Hughes max velo 92.5, avg. 90.87 on his 4-seamer. If the pitch had movement, that would be fine – but you are not gonna get much of that with a 4-seamer.
“Would have liked to see Cervelli in the lineup”
lol how times have changed
while Jesus wastes away in Pennsylvania….
Spellcheck is yur frend.
GB,
I obviously didn’t see him personally, but Hughes was described as having been sloppy with man boobs. I don’t Eco mend it, and conditioning can certainly be a factor in velocity and endurance.
For anyone interested in a lefty starter, John Lannon of the Nats is 5-1 in his last 6 starts with a 2.58 ERA. He bested Hiroki Kuroda last night. Making 2.75M this year.
Hughes looked soft. Joba was the one that hit the weights.
I wonder if Hughes is even capable of throwing out of the pen like he did in 2009.
austinmac July 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 am
GB,
I obviously didn’t see him personally, but Hughes was described as having been sloppy with man boobs. I don’t Eco mend it, and conditioning can certainly be a factor in velocity and endurance.
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Hughes isn’t any bigger than Pettitte was last year. Hughes is just big and always has been. I think he overdid the weights. Players would be less bound up in the upper body if they lay off of them. Not just pitchers, though. It might make them stronger, but, not necessarily faster. Not only that, but, something’s got to give and usually, it’s tissue.
Hughes max velo 92.5, avg. 90.87 on his 4-seamer
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He averaged 92.5 last year instead of maxing out at it.
I really hope Seattle can pull off a couple of wins over the next 2 days. losing 13 in a row ( Felix last night ), they are due for some wins. I hope it’s at the Sox expense and not the Yankees.
Weight hasn’t seemed to cause Colon much problem this year.
Gotta love those that decide someone “looks soft” while watching a TV screen.
Perfect name. You truly don’t know jacksquat.
Whatever Hughes is, he needs to show he belongs next Wednesday against the worst offensive team in AL-the Mariners. Looks like King Felix will be the opposing pitcher.
Otherwise I think the Yankees need to use one of the two remaining options[per RAB's] and send him to the minors.
My favorite Yankee softy-David Wells.
My least favorite-Hideki Irabu.
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
austinmac July 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 am
GB,
I obviously didn’t see him personally, but Hughes was described as having been sloppy with man boobs. I don’t Eco mend it, and conditioning can certainly be a factor in velocity and endurance.
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Hughes isn’t any bigger than Pettitte was last year. Hughes is just big and always has been. I think he overdid the weights. Players would be less bound up in the upper body if they lay off of them. Not just pitchers, though. It might make them stronger, but, not necessarily faster. Not only that, but, something’s got to give and usually, it’s tissue.
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I hear what you’re saying about weight training and pitchers, but didn’t Pettitte gain something like 2 to 4 mph on his fastball, working out with Clemens back in the day?
Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2011 at 11:18 am
My favorite Yankee softy-David Wells.
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Those fat guys look fat and out of shape, but it’s often deceptive how athletic they are. Wells could get off the mound and field his position with the best of them. And I would be willing to bet that Sabathia could run something like a 4.8 40-yard dash.
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 am
Weight hasn’t seemed to cause Colon much problem this year.
Gotta love those that decide someone “looks soft” while watching a TV screen.
Perfect name. You truly don’t know jacksquat.
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Yes, believe it or not you can see if someone has a soft chest when wearing a t-shirt. Hughes said himself he did not do much over the offseason.
And it’s not just weight, obviously. If you look at Colon you can see that he has quite a bit of muscle under his blubber. Oh wait, maybe *you* can’t.
And you really shouldn’t talk about what others know when you still have the decades old false thought that players will get “muscle bound” if they lift weights.
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 am
Weight hasn’t seemed to cause Colon much problem this year.
Gotta love those that decide someone “looks soft” while watching a TV screen.
Perfect name. You truly don’t know jacksquat.
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he’s getting cranky again must be time for a snack and a nap
There aint no way CC is running a 4.8 40
Those fat guys look fat and out of shape, but it’s often deceptive how athletic they are. Wells could get off the mound and field his position with the best of them. And I would be willing to bet that Sabathia could run something like a 4.8 40-yard dash.
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no way..thinking PO could beat him in a 40
“And you really shouldn’t talk about what others know when you still have the decades old false thought that players will get “muscle bound” if they lift weights.”
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I have it too.
I don’t see why weightlifting needs to have any place in baseball.
The fact that there are major league players that actually get hurt doing simple tasks like running the bases and covering first base is embarrassing. Its apparent to me that there’s not nearly enough normal running going on in their training regimens. These are professional athletes we’re talking about!
I’m also probably not half as old as GB.
Swish is going to go on one of his streaks which he’s known for
You can see muscle “under” blubber?
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I wonder where all the Swisher detractors are now? Anyone who thinks someone who is leading the Yankees in OBP is not a very good ballplayer is mistaken.A high OBP guy should be hitting near the top of the lineup in front of your power guys IMO.
This will NEVER happen, but at this point in the season, based on performance this would be my everyday lineup.
Gardner – LF
Swisher – RF
Granderson – CF
A-Rod – 3B
Cano – 2B
Teixeira – 1B
Jeter – SS
Posada – DH
Martin – C
* No lefties or righties back to back.
Next time my wife talks about my gut I’m definitely telling her there’s a lot of muscle under my blubber.
since ppl only post positive articles about montero, i figured i’d offer a prosepctive for the other side of the arguement
http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....tock-32153
Great article Doc, thanks for posting. This quote jumped out at me.
“It always struck me as foolhardy to assume anyone will be “an elite bat” at the MLB level, and the Yankee willingness to deal Montero raised an eyebrow for me. Teams always know their players better than anyone else, and while no knowledge is perfect odds are they see something everyone else is missing or has yet to reveal itself.”
thanks West Coast
agreed about the quote, the level of pitchin in AAA to ML is sooo different
that said, i still hope montero will stay a yankee and get his stuff together,
but ppl wantin to replace martin NOW with montero just are being blind
Anyone who thinks someone who is leading the Yankees in OBP is not a very good ballplayer is mistaken
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That’s interesting, because you have never referred to Gardner as a very good ballplayer. Even insisted for long periods of time that he’s a 4th OF.
Swisher’s OBP is nice, but he is still having a very disappointing season by his standards. He’s been pretty good this year but this is not the Nick Swisher we are accustomed to.
He OPS’d at .870 for his first two seasons as a Yankee. That is down 78 points this year. His power is just not there at all as he is only on pace for 18 HR.
Doc Iac July 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 am
igotid88
you make me laugh, cause hughes was yankee high rated prospect u give him all these excuses,
and burnett gets drilled with critisim after his start against the rays, which he did bad, but comin off extended break kept the team in it,
bottom line, both guys are unrealble at the moment, but makin excuses for hughes is ridiculas, dont give me that 10 yr vet vs young pitcher BS, how many other young pitchers in the league are better than hughes right now
that said, im glad hughes didnt blame the conditions, and i LIKE hughes, I want him to succed, but i wont make excuses for him
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it’s no cause he was rated high. I’ve seen what he can do up here. he’s having a regression year which i remember last year we all said was possible. especially him throwing that many innings last year for the first time. And with Burnett he supposedly has better stuff and gets drilled many times