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this lineup would be great if andruw jones wasnt in right and beltran or someone decent was and if gardy was leading off
Chip July 25th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
From everything I’ve read/heard Bedard is terrible in the clubhouse and he’s currently on the DL (mind you if he’s healthy and available in August I have no problem with that.)
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Not that I’ve been in the clubhouse, mind you, but…
I have heard NOTHING of the sort in regard to Erik being “terrible in the clubhouse”. Quite the opposite, in fact – his teammates have nothing but high praise for his character, work ethic etc. It is the MEDIA that he’s never been real comfortable around and they gave him a lot of guff for his typically curt responses in pressers/post games, etc. But, I think they finally got used what is basically his very dry sense of humor.
Anyway, as has been mentioned, it would seem unlikely he’ll be traded now due to the DL stint – at least not at the deadline. I suppose if he pitches well in August a late deal could be done…
So now Tex is back in the 3 spot? That lasted a long time
jacksquat July 25th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
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They don’t have to find someone better than Felix or like Felix with a big contract. That’s the point. They could for example pay two guys that could hit (which they badly need), then they’d have them *plus* all the young talent they got for Felix.
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Or they could keep Felix and still sign a couple of position players.
Seattle’s problem isn’t about the payroll, they have the money to spend. The problem is that they have spent it poorly.
jorge is not hitting against lefties. why is mntero not on the team?
stuarta – because montero isn’t hitting anything.
has cashman called the dodgers about kemp? any published reports?
The only way Seattle will ever win with that ballpark being home for half of the season is with slashing type hitters with great speed, great starting rotation and a strong bullpen. No power hitter in their right mind will sign on to play there without getting twice their value.
I would like to go through and NFL offseason without the Favre hockey pokey dance(Clemens was just as bad).
Kemp is one of the top trade-able commodities in baseball, he’s not going anywhere for less than a king’s ransom…
kd July 25th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
has cashman called the dodgers about kemp? any published reports?
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MLB will not let the Dodgers deal Kemp, Ethier or Kershaw
I know there are a few other old-timers who frequent this blog. Does anyone else see the resemblence of Brandon Laird to a young Moose Skowron? I sure do.
I believe if the Yanks make a deal for a SP, then Garcia moves to BP as a longman, spot starter. Hughes has too much upside to be put into the BP this year. Hughes might move to BP in playoffs if CC/Colon/AJ/”New Guy” are pitching well.
The Yanks need a LH SP & a LH RP guy & a bat. Perhaps Manny Banuelos is the LH SP (bringing him up on or before Aug 31st to find out.) Matt Thornton would be an ideal LH RP for Yanks to get.
I suspect the bat will be Montero, displacing Cervelli. I also wonder if Posada will end up being the backup catcher in September & playoffs. That might explain the waiting on Montero.
I think if Soriano comes back & pitches well he would be a huge plus (of course), but if not, I wonder if both Nova & Betances would be brought up to see how they do in BP as a 1 inning guy or specialist against a good LH or RH batter.
What’s the point of Seattle holding onto King Felix? It’s not like he’s and everyday player.
Or they could keep Felix and still sign a couple of position players. Seattle’s problem isn’t about the payroll, they have the money to spend. The problem is that they have spent it poorly.
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Their payroll has remained pretty consistent over the years.
Felix starts making the big bucks next year. He may account for more than 20% of their payroll.
Once A-Rod gets back and if Tex keeps up this Carlos Pena impression they really need to shuffle the order up, It’s been very stale and I’ve given way to the fact that they will not “disrespect” Jeter and Bat him lower than second. Going forward in September we should look like this… I Hope
Gardner
Jeter
Grandy
Arod
Cano
Tex
Swish
Posada/Jones/Montero? or any right handed batter that can give you more than .218
Martin
Thats a nice long lineup that can do some damage
Does it bother anyone that Felix’s numbers against Boston are not that great? We need guys who are much more reliable against the Red Sox, like AJ Burnett.
SoS July 25th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
I would like to go through and NFL offseason without the Favre hockey pokey dance(Clemens was just as bad).
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Don’t tell me he wants to come back again??
Is Heath Bell auditioning for his new team right now?
LGY July 25th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
What are the Mariners going to do to make their offense better?
That team needs to break it down and start over.
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Well, they basically have…
The M’s have had THIRTEEN rookies with the big club SO FAR, this season.
They will keep shuffling the young ones through to assess what they have/don’t have in order to determine what they need going forward this off-season and beyond.
“The only thing that holds me back is the fear that the Mariners make Felix available soon and the Yankees already traded their chips for Ubaldo.”
Yeah, that would be my feeling as well. Not just Felix, but any kind of sure-fire impact player, which Jimenez isn’t.
Wave
I know what your saying, but I was more confident in Haren than Ubaldo.
I really like Ubaldo but I am a bit concerned with his drop in velo.
Why even make a report that the Yankees are interested in Gio Gonazalez? Aren’t most teams? He’s not going to be traded.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork......-ca,20987/
Posada will not ever be the backup catcher. If they were planning on Posada catching, they would actually have him catch once in a while. Banuelos has been somewhat shaky in AA, he will not be a starter for the Yankees this year.
I wonder if Pettite might still be an option, even if only as a LOOGY for the rest of this year with the Clemens show in remission?
Well, they basically have… The M’s have had THIRTEEN rookies with the big club SO FAR, this season. They will keep shuffling the young ones through to assess what they have/don’t have in order to determine what they need going forward this off-season and beyond.
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And they are all terrible except Ackley.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
The only way Seattle will ever win with that ballpark being home for half of the season is with slashing type hitters with great speed, great starting rotation and a strong bullpen. No power hitter in their right mind will sign on to play there without getting twice their value.
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Well that’s not entirely correct.
Seattle’s best season came in that ball park with a lineup featuring Bret Boone, Mike Cameron, Jon Olerud, Edgar Martinez and Carlos Guillen – not exactly a bunch of slashers.
Now I do agree with you that most sluggers aren’t going to head there happily, but plenty of guys have proven that you can hit there (Russ Branyan most recently). They have just spent their money poorly on FA’s – Beltre, Sexson, Figgins
Gutierrez still has his glove but somebody has stolen his bat.
Erin,
Backup to Vick or possibly starting in Miami. Its freakin ridiculous how much attention they give this guy.
ADam July 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I like that lineup, especially with Montero in there.
LGY July 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Well, they basically have… The M’s have had THIRTEEN rookies with the big club SO FAR, this season. They will keep shuffling the young ones through to assess what they have/don’t have in order to determine what they need going forward this off-season and beyond.
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And they are all terrible except Ackley.
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Smoak has some potential.
GoldGlove9486,
Felix pitched well his first game against the Sox. Verlander and Lee are about the only 2 elite pitchers this year who Boston didn’t kill
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Gutierrez still has his glove but somebody has stolen his bat.
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He was sick for most of the year…lost a lot of weight (and with it strength)
SoS July 25th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Erin,
Backup to Vick or possibly starting in Miami. Its freakin ridiculous how much attention they give this guy.
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Favre would actually consent to being backup QB? Wow. I’ll believe that when I see it.
What has Seattle done in the last 10 years? nothing
RAB article on the Yankees being “unclutch” as so many here are want to believe…
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ing-53014/
Swisher is DHing due to all the dancing he did today.
yay Godzilla!!
MLB_PR MLB Hideki Matsui of @Athletics (.571, 2 HR, 2 2B, 7 RBI) named AL Player of the Week. 4th of his career, 1st since June 2005.
on FA?s ? Beltre, Sexson, Figgins
That’s kind of an unfair statement to them. It’s like saying Cashman spent money “poorly” on Carl Pavano. That off season, he was the pitcher to get, had great numbers, and there was no way to to tell he wouldn’t perform here.
Betre and Sexson had MONSTER years the year before they signed in Seattle, and Figgins was a great player as well. Safeco ate them all up, and there was no way to tell that beforehand.
It wasn’t spending money “poorly” as much as it was spending it unluckily. They tried to get the best FA, and it blew up in their faces.
This is the only reason I’ll miss Brett Favre not playing… is not seeing moments like this anymore:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Vy58.....itled2.bmp
Verlander and Lee are about the only 2 elite pitchers this year who Boston didn?t kill
They beat a lot of good pitchers. I think the secret is to call up someone from double A to start the games against them…they get owned by those types of guys.:)
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
What has Seattle done in the last 10 years? nothing
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They’ve been bad since 2004 – they had a good team that got old and then they spent poorly on FA’s – has nothing to do with the style of game they played.
I was convinced when he came back last season that Farve was trying to get himself killed on the field.
Swisher takes a turn at DH…hell, he can’t be any worse than Jorge.
I Like Inge July 25th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
This is the only reason I?ll miss Brett Favre not playing? is not seeing moments like this anymore:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Vy58…..itled2.bmp
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I think it’s a big stretch to call Figgins a great player.
Chip July 25th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Seattle’s problem isn’t about the payroll, they have the money to spend. The problem is that they have spent it poorly.
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True as stated.
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LGY July 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
And they are all terrible except Ackley.
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Some have. Peguero, Mr. “K”ing … was sent down to AAA after a venti cup o’ coffee and given orders on what to work on. Halman is showing some potential – he’s got power, speed and a great arm defensively. The also want to get a really good sample size of Carp, not a great defender (though he’s made some decent plays in LF) but has power potential.
Anyhoo, in my very uneducated opinion, they are going to keep cycling through the farm in order to really understand their inventory before doing anything too drastic.
Jetrer July 25th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Perhaps so! But I wonder if they were just giving him time to get his concussion syndrome clear & then try using him in Sept as a BU catcher.
I think it?s a big stretch to call Figgins a great player
That’s fine too.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
What has Seattle done in the last 10 years? nothing
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’bout time they started, eh?
hardwired7 July 25th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Swisher takes a turn at DH…hell, he can’t be any worse than Jorge.”"
He (Swish) is much much much better than Jorge.. Jorge is running out of his “legacy chips” He needs to go on another role before he becomes the official 25th man on the roster… How’s that for a defined role
I can’t wait until this trade deadline passes. Then either Montero will be traded or he’ll be playing on the team.
RAB article on the Yankees being ?unclutch? as so many here are want to believe?
Their late and close stats are beyond putrid and we as Yankee fans should not be happy with the 4th best clutch stats in the AL with the amount of money spent on the offense and how everyoen believes them to be the best or second best offense int he game
He (Swish) is much much much better than Jorge.. Jorge is running out of his ?legacy chips? He needs to go on another role before he becomes the official 25th man on the roster? How?s that for a defined role
WHOOOOAAA.. Easy, buddy. Start knocking Jorge around here, and guys jump down your throats faster than you can say Mendoza line.
But, I like that role for Po at this point.
Matt_Fortuna Eric Chavez will be evaluated in NY tonight and could possibly be activated tomorrow. #Yankees
Yeah, Guillen was a real masher…after he left Seattle. you don’t think that Boone and martinez suddenly found 30 home run power at the age of 32 without help, do you?
A top SP, a reliable lefty reliever, a lefty bat and a righty bat.. Too many needs to give up a lot of prospect for one piece. So take a flier on low key lefty reliever and take a chance on the likes of montero and vasquez. Plus hopefully chavez becomes durable all of a sudden.
Triple – They are not “beyond putrid”, give it a rest.
CompassRosy July 25th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
What has Seattle done in the last 10 years? nothing
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’bout time they started, eh?
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I’d like to see them run off a 40 game winning streak….starting Friday
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Yeah, Guillen was a real masher…after he left Seattle. you don’t think that Boone and martinez suddenly found 30 home run power at the age of 32 without help, do you?
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What do steroids have to do with your argument? However they created that power, they were a power hitting lineup.
Your comment was that Seattle can’t win without playing a slashing style. Their best season however came when they played a style that was the complete opposite of that.
Seattle is well on their way to becoming a good team again with Ackley-Smoke in the middle of the rotation, plus Felix-Pinida-Fister can be a sick top 3.
Add a couple of bats and they will be a playoff team
and Seattle’s second best season came the year before when they had Alex, Cameron, Edgar, Buhner and Olerud all mashing.
suddenly found 30 home run power at the age of 32 without help, do you
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Maybe they “changed their batting stance”? Or better, “rebuilt their swing”?
They need a bat in left, one in right (if this is the decline of Suzuki), shortstop, third base. Smoak better hit more than .230.
Seattle is well on their way to becoming a good team again with Ackley-Smoke in the middle of the rotation, plus Felix-Pinida-Fister can be a sick top 3.
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Tough to sell a kid hitting .221 with a .696 OPS in his big league career as a clean up hitter.
Second best as in they made the ALCS – they had more wins in 02 and 03 – but the fact remains that those four years from 2000 – 2003 the Mariners won over 90 games with a power hitting lineup – not a slashing one. Their problem was that when that group got old and left they didn’t do a good job replacing them.
Smoak better hit more than .230.
This is exactly what people will be saying about Montero if he has the troubles Smoak is having adjusting, which is exactly why he’s not on the team right now.
I know there are a few other old-timers who frequent this blog. Does anyone else see the resemblence of Brandon Laird to a young Moose Skowron?
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Indeed. Noticed that yesterday…
I’m bummed there is gonna be NFL, it’s ALL Espn talks about , year round..
Howard July 25th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Smoak better hit more than .230.
This is exactly what people will be saying about Montero if he has the troubles Smoak is having adjusting, which is exactly why he’s not on the team right now
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Agreed.
Everyone says “get Montero up here” but can you imagine the rip job that will go on here if in the middle of a playoff push the Yankees are giving at bats to Montero and he’s responding with a .230 BA and no power?
Then ain’t now. Those players don’t exist. Places where sluggers don’t want to play…SF, SD, Oak and Sea
Chip, I can see how you don’t understand how trading works, given that you said you would trade Montero+ for Rasmus…
Abe Peteraham July 25th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
I’m bummed there is gonna be NFL, it’s ALL Espn talks about , year round..
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Watch MLB Network.
This is exactly what people will be saying about Montero if he has the troubles Smoak is having adjusting, which is exactly why he’s not on the team right now.
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Difference is Montero would not have to be the center of the lineup.
The lineup will not rise and fall if he struggles.
Watching ESPN is your first mistake.
Jorge is fast becoming the last man on the totem pole.
Strategically it’s the right move, he has handcuffed us.
Baseball America wrote that, as a first baseman, Smoak had “Gold Glove-caliber actions and soft hands”, as well as “advanced footwork and instincts at first base”, though they wrote that he had merely adequate arm strength. Nonetheless, several scouting reports wrote that Smoak’s biggest strength was his ability to hit for both power and average on both sides of the plate.
Smoak gets called up, struggles a little bit, and suddenly he’s garbage. If Montero stuggles even slightly, it’ll be ten times worse. At least Smoak can hide in Seattle and be forgotten about.
This is why Cashman hasn’t exposed him yet. Smoak, right now, isn’t a headliner in any deal like he was then. Montero still is because nobody has seen his good or his bad on a big league level.
They cannot talk any more about the NFL, so perhaps the end of the dispute will mean they can talk about something other than football.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Then ain’t now. Those players don’t exist. Places where sluggers don’t want to play…SF, SD, Oak and Sea
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I’d add Citi Field to that list too.
Good point chip… Just want Espn to show baseball some love
Chip – The same people clamoring for him now would be the first to hang him, saying the Yankees rushed him by calling him up now and how the Yankees don’t know how to develop players from within… it’s a vicious cycle kick-started by following stupidity.
jacksquat July 25th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Chip, I can see how you don’t understand how trading works, given that you said you would trade Montero+ for Rasmus…
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I understand completely how trading works. If Seattle had a budget that prevented them from adding players then I would agree with you about trading Felix, but that’s not the case. Seattle’s already got a lot of young “Top Prospects” that they’re trying to work into the lineup. They have the money to spend. So instead of dealing Felix you build around him.
also, credit to BA for that copy and past job on Smoaks writeup.
Isn’t the Dodgers home a place where sluggers don’t want to be as well?
Abe Peteraham July 25th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Good point chip… Just want Espn to show baseball some love
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Eh, even when they do it’s all Red Sox
Chambliss July 25th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
They cannot talk any more about the NFL, so perhaps the end of the dispute will mean they can talk about something other than football.
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Like the Red Sox?
ac1 July 25th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
This is exactly what people will be saying about Montero if he has the troubles Smoak is having adjusting, which is exactly why he’s not on the team right now.
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Difference is Montero would not have to be the center of the lineup.
The lineup will not rise and fall if he struggles.
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Really? How many people have been complaining that Jorge and Martin are dragging the team down? If Montero’s called up he’s going to be looked at to solve that problem. What happens if he doesn’t?
Espn radio and tv is just NFL ad
Ad nauseum year round…. And MLB network needs more live programming…
Montero still is because nobody has seen his good or his bad on a big league level.
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This is why he still hasn’t played yet. He hasn’t played well enough to warrant a call up, and there’s no point in doing it so close to the trade deadline. Let it pass and then call him up when his value isn’t at stake.
Also, in terms of Smoak, I’d throw in that Seattle chose him over Montero. There’s some pressure for him to pan out better than Montero, or else Seattle could have really blown it.
When did Smoak ever have minor league numbers to match Montero’s? His minor league numbers total barely compares to one of Montero’s seasons in 2008 or 2010…that’s with Smoak in hitters leagues and Montero in pitchers leagues.
Please don’t compare Smoak to Montero.
Jesus is 3 years younger and has always been the better pure hitter.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
2011 park factor, most pitcher friendly
SF
Tampa
LA (dodgers)
LA (angels)
SD
STL
SEA
I’d be happy w YES having a camera w no commentary on, for the 3 hrs BP…
Jacksquat:
Your problem (I think) is you look at Seattle and see Kansas City. You think since the Royals moved Greinke that’s precident for the Mariners to move Felix, but they’re two completely different situations.
1. Greinke’s contract meant that he wasn’t going to be around when the Royals’ top prospects were fully developed – Felix will be.
2. Greinke’s contract was precluding the Royals from adding players – Felix’s is not.
that’s with Smoak in hitters leagues and Montero in pitchers leagues.
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That too.
Abe – The Braves channel does that, and gives you the field between innings instead of commercials :/
ID,
Well then your definition of putrid and mine are totally different
Triple – Exactly. My definition of putrid is not 4th out of 30 teams.
Really? How many people have been complaining that Jorge and Martin are dragging the team down? If Montero’s called up he’s going to be looked at to solve that problem. What happens if he doesn’t?
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im thinking more long term.
The fact will be that the Yankees will be showing they are willing to try SOMETHING to fix that issue of Martin/Cervelli/Posada.
Though i think Martin will warm up a bit and Cervelli is what he is, i still think Montero will make a difference, maybe not right away, but long term (if they dont trade him).
They need to remind him not to let any struggles get into his head, and to just go let his natural talent show.
Could Chicago send Alfonso Soriano back to New York with Garza? Perhaps a package of Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova
ac1 July 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Really? How many people have been complaining that Jorge and Martin are dragging the team down? If Montero’s called up he’s going to be looked at to solve that problem. What happens if he doesn’t?
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im thinking more long term.
The fact will be that the Yankees will be showing they are willing to try SOMETHING to fix that issue of Martin/Cervelli/Posada.
Though i think Martin will warm up a bit and Cervelli is what he is, i still think Montero will make a difference, maybe not right away, but long term (if they dont trade him).
They need to remind him not to let any struggles get into his head, and to just go let his natural talent show.
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I think that’s part of the reason he’s not here. Last thing the kid needs is to be called up in a pennant race, asked to handle a veteran pitching staff that is humming along and provide serious offense at the plate. That’s a ton of pressure to put on him.
ID,
I said close and late was putrid not overall clutch
Could Chicago send Alfonso Soriano back to New York with Garza? Perhaps a package of Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova
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Why Soriano?
Maybe he could DH i guess?
But so can Montero and he costs 18M/year less.
Triple – but look at the stats again… it is sucha small sample that 2 or 3 good games completely reverse the standings. That’s why you can’t get worked up about things like “close and late”. In the grand scheme of things, they mean nothing.
Win the game in the first inning. It’s just as important as the last.
“Could Chicago send Alfonso Soriano back to New York with Garza? Perhaps a package of Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova”
Montero will not be here past the trade deadline
# ac1 July 25th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Could Chicago send Alfonso Soriano back to New York with Garza? Perhaps a package of Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova
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Why Soriano?
Maybe he could DH i guess?
But so can Montero and he costs 18M/year less.
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I don’t think Montero’s trade value is what it was a year ago….Soriano DH & PO pinch hitter
In the spirit of offering to take back a bad contract to get a good pitcher I would sooner make a deal with the Astros for Carlos Lee if they’re willing to include Bud Norris than take on Soriano to get Garza.
Yes, Garza’s a better pitcher than Norris, but Soriano’s contract is just dreadful.
joeman July 25th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
# ac1 July 25th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Could Chicago send Alfonso Soriano back to New York with Garza? Perhaps a package of Jesus Montero and Ivan Nova
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Why Soriano?
Maybe he could DH i guess?
But so can Montero and he costs 18M/year less.
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I don’t think Montero’s trade value is what it was a year ago….Soriano DH & PO pinch hitter
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It may not be what it once was but it is still a lot better than that.
IrevD,
Sweet!
I see there is a bonus cam on direc tv, but I can’t get cause not in NY they claim. Just hearing and seeing the prep would be sweet.. Hateeee when MLB.com puts up their in between “nothing” online between innings… You’d think w the 1,000 crap channels they could devote time to BP
Chip July 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Jacksquat:
Your problem (I think) is you look at Seattle and see Kansas City. You think since the Royals moved Greinke that’s precident for the Mariners to move Felix, but they’re two completely different situations.
1. Greinke’s contract meant that he wasn’t going to be around when the Royals’ top prospects were fully developed – Felix will be.
2. Greinke’s contract was precluding the Royals from adding players – Felix’s is not.
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Uh, no.
I know Seattle has money, I already said they could afford him.
The question is, is it wise for them to spend 20% of their likely payroll over the next 3 years on Felix alone, if they are not going to be competitive. Or is it better they use him to get big chips (npi).
Garza is good, but he wouldn’t be worth Montero and Nova, and then taking on Soriano’s contract. I’m in favor of acquiring Garza, but it doesn’t seem like it will be an option, seems like the Cubs wouldn’t want to move him.
ID,
They are hitting 244 and it is almost August. I doubt a few more hits in late and close situations are going to move that 244 much. Hitting 300 in those situations could mean another 2 or 3 wins and home field throuhout the playoffs.
The Cubs can keep Soriano and in the meantime I’d gladly give them our Soriano for little return.
jacksquat July 25th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Chip July 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Jacksquat:
Your problem (I think) is you look at Seattle and see Kansas City. You think since the Royals moved Greinke that’s precident for the Mariners to move Felix, but they’re two completely different situations.
1. Greinke’s contract meant that he wasn’t going to be around when the Royals’ top prospects were fully developed – Felix will be.
2. Greinke’s contract was precluding the Royals from adding players – Felix’s is not.
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Uh, no.
I know Seattle has money, I already said they could afford him.
The question is, is it wise for them to spend 20% of their likely payroll over the next 3 years on Felix alone, if they are not going to be competitive. Or is it better they use him to get big chips (npi).
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IMO I would say it’s wise for them to spend the 20% on him and build around him. The division is not so locked down that they can’t be competative within the next three years.
The Angels are getting very old and the Rangers have a bunch of key players due to hit free agency. With a little luck and some good secondary moves the Mariners could have a solid team that’s at least in the 85 win range.
Garza…27 years old, a nice contract, a K a inning, might be worth taking on a bad contract of Sori who could catch some lightning, has to be better than what they now have
The only place where Montero’s value has dropped is on this board! LOL! He is a top prospect by even Red Sox biased media & publications.
I have seen this guy hit & he is awesome. I simply can’t understand why he isn’t in NY already! He can hit better, catch better & throw better than Cervelli now & I think he can greatly improve on that even!
Joel Sherman’s tweet about the Yankees being willing to “pay big” for Gio Gonzalez is interesting. I hope it means the Yanks are engaged with the Rockies for Jimenez and want to just give O’Dowd a friendly reminder that we have enough talent to acquire any pitcher in the game the second they are made available. It’s not Jimenez or bust.
The tweet about Jimenez still being showcased is also interesting as is the tweet about Yankees scouts still appearing at his starts as recently as yesterday.
There was also a tweet (from Morosi?) about the Rockies want 3 top prospects. That’s down from the 4 they were rumored to ask for (Montero, Betances, Banuelos, Nova) at the onset of all the Jimenez hoopla.
Are there negotiations going on?
It kinda sounds like it.
Exciting!
joeman July 25th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Garza…27 years old, a nice contract, a K a inning, might be worth taking on a bad contract of Sori who could catch some lightning, has to be better than what they now have
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Yeah but if you’re taking on Sori’s contract you don’t have to give up a top prospect, no matter who is coming back with him.
If cashman was running the show in 1996, jeter will still be in the minors then and not have the opportunity. Nobody knows what a batter or a pitcher will do in the majors when they get there. Some performs better and some falters. Smoak, Rizzo was smashing in the minors but still have difficulties in the majors, some not highly touted performed better in the majors.
An at bat now for montero will be experience for him whether it is good or bad. He can not hurt the team anymore than now in the 7th or 8th hole. Truth be told, Tex, jeter, granderson, swish will make or break this team in the offense side while arod is still on the DL.
GB -
Had an earlier trivia question:
Other than Joe Mauer who is the only other catcher to win a batting title.
I answered Yogi Berra -Wrong!!
Anyone?
Did Pudge Rodriguez win a batting title?
# RayVT July 25th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
The only place where Montero’s value has dropped is on this board! LOL! He is a top prospect by even Red Sox biased media & publications.
I have seen this guy hit & he is awesome. I simply can’t understand why he isn’t in NY already! He can hit better, catch better & throw better than Cervelli now & I think he can greatly improve on that even!
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there has to be a reason why he’s just playing in the minors..what who knows
Chavez and Soriano both to come off the 60 Day DL this week.
That means the Yankees need to create two roster spots.
My guesses – Meat Tray and Marquez go to the 60 Day DL.
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
GB -
Had an earlier trivia question:
Other than Joe Mauer who is the only other catcher to win a batting title.
I answered Yogi Berra -Wrong!!
Anyone?
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Eugene “Bubbles” Hargrave in 1926, and Hall of Famer Ernie Lombardi in 1938 and 1942
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
GB -
Had an earlier trivia question:
Other than Joe Mauer who is the only other catcher to win a batting title.
I answered Yogi Berra -Wrong!!
Anyone?
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Joe Torre
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
GB -
Had an earlier trivia question:
Other than Joe Mauer who is the only other catcher to win a batting title.
I answered Yogi Berra -Wrong!!
Anyone?
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Eugene “Bubbles” Hargrave in 1926, and Hall of Famer Ernie Lombardi in 1938 and 1942
Which actually means the question was wrong…but that’s neither here or there.
A deal is coming. Feel it . . .
Triple – You know what, you’re right. I’ve been looking at this the wrong way the whole time. I really wish we had the Brewers, Twins, or Diamondbacks lineups instead of the Yankee one.
/sarcasm
I also enjoyed the tweet about the Yankees being “worried” about Jimenez for legitimate reasons: Will his stuff translate to the AL East? Will his violent arm action lead to injury problems? Will he continue to be inconsistent?
If there are negotiations going on right now then themes like these should seep ever so subtly into the conversation if the Yankees ever expect to bang down the price tag on Jimenez.
It’s obvious that they have very real, honest methods of banging down price.
Oh wait, Joe wasn’t a catcher anymore in 1971…
Sometimes the answer to our questions are really already in front of us. I think, ARod, Chavez, Nova, Soriano, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances & Jesus Montero are probably better answers than the Yanks can obtain via almost any trade.
It would be nice to get an Adams, Thornton, H Bell, or Kerry Wood to add to the depth of the BP, but none are essential IMO.
Also, Hughes, Colon & AJ could easily step up in the playoffs as well to go with CC. (IMO, Garcia is a BP candidate at best come playoffs.)
Bret and Chip-
Of all the trades that were mentioned today for the Yankees, the one involving the White Sox, if it’s true they are heavily scouting the Yankees minor leagues, might have teeth.
The White Sox have probably the most money of any team tied up in enormous contracts, with no interest from any sane GM in trading for them-Dunn, Rios, Peavy.
Some combination of Carlos Quentin, Matt Thornton and/or Edwin Jackson could very well be dealt,IF the Sox feel they can’t win the central.
The White Sox have lots of money tied up in bad contracts… so they are going to trade guys not in bad contracts? Logic fail.
West Coast Yankee Fan July 25th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
A deal is coming. Feel it . .
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I also think it will be a SP coming back with a hitter from the same team
Trader,
My idea was this:
To Yankees: Carlos Quentin (DH) + Matt Thornton (LHRP)
To Cardinals: Ivan Nova + Boone Logan + White Sox prospect
To White Sox: Colby Rasmus
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Bret and Chip-
Of all the trades that were mentioned today for the Yankees, the one involving the White Sox, if it’s true they are heavily scouting the Yankees minor leagues, might have teeth.
The White Sox have probably the most money of any team tied up in enormous contracts, with no interest from any sane GM in trading for them-Dunn, Rios, Peavy.
Some combination of Carlos Quentin, Matt Thornton and/or Edwin Jackson could very well be dealt,IF the Sox feel they can’t win the central.
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I would have no problem with Quentin and Thornton. Edwin Jackson to me is AJ Burnett.
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Trader,
My idea was this:
To Yankees: Carlos Quentin (DH) + Matt Thornton (LHRP)
To Cardinals: Ivan Nova + Boone Logan + White Sox prospect
To White Sox: Colby Rasmus
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Why would we want to trade Nova and Logan?
Why wouldn’t we want Quentin instead of Jorge and Thornton instead of Logan?
You guys keep talking about essentially benching Posada. I’ll believe it when I see it…
I could see a trade with CWS that included Danks & Dunn with CWS picking up perhaps 50% of Dunn’s contract. Yanks could involve another team looking for a big bat in NL perhaps to take the cheaper Dunn.
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Why wouldn’t we want Quentin instead of Jorge and Thornton instead of Logan?
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No one could argue Quentin instead of Jorge. Logan has been pretty effective for over a month, and he was effective for the second half last season too. It’s not like he doesn’t have the ability to be a reliable reliever. It looks like he’s clicked back into gear.
The larger issue is trading Nova, when Colon, Garcia, and Hughes are not dependable starters. Colon, and Garcia are obviously having good years, Hughes still shaky, but the insurance is pretty important.
I wouldn’t take the loss of Nova over the upgrade at DH when we don’t have room, and I don’t think Thorton is necessary.
Bret-
Watched the last 2 innings of Jimenez vs Braves in Coors. In the 7th with his pitch count already 100+ his fastball was 91-92. He was removed at 120 pitches in a blowout of the Braves
Yesterdays game he was removed after 5 innings, 100 pitches, 8 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts. I have no idea what his velocity was then, but it was in Phoenix an away game where he normally thrives.
With the concern about his arm actionI’d be leery of trading for him, although he has a very favorable contract. Colon currently is more “pitch count” economical than Jimenez and pitching better.
Edwin Jackson to me is AJ Burnett.
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In what way?
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
GB -
Had an earlier trivia question:
Other than Joe Mauer who is the only other catcher to win a batting title.
I answered Yogi Berra -Wrong!!
Anyone?
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Trader, I posted an answer that it was either Bubbles hargrave or Ernie Lombardi and chose Lombardi. It was about 20 minutes or so after you posted it. That’s when I saw the question.
It was Ron Darling, apparently.
wait, what? ok… i’m going home.
Trader,
This series of tweets is VERY exciting:
Erin July 25th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Joelsherman1 Many questions on Jimenez: #Yankees would consider trading, say, Montero, but #Rockies want multiple best prospects, Yanks worried about Ubaldo’s inconsistency, all-out delivery (arm trouble?), coming to AL East
Yank 97 July 25th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
jonmorosi
Chances of Ubaldo trade, according to one source close to talks: “around 50/50.” #Rockies
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When Bret The Hitman sees 50/50, the glass is half full.
LGY July 25th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Edwin Jackson to me is AJ Burnett.
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In what way?
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Their no-hitters, for one.
RayVT
Lefty Dunn is hitting righties at <.200. if they could spin off the 50% of the contract in a deal to a 3rd party, for a thank you note fine.
Salary:11:$12M, 12:$14M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
Yankees think Edwin Jackson is solid, but aren’t pursuing now. They have interest in Hiroki Kuroda. Keep insisting they won’t overpay
Let the rumors begin. Romine is sitting for the second night in a row. No injuries (unless it’s a concussion)
Edwin Jackson actually wouldn’t be a bad rental, depending on price. The guy could throw a dominant post season game.
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Yeah I know the salaries. But CWS would be better w/o him & gain 50% salary relief if they picked up half of it. Spinning him at a reduced salary back to NL where he has had success could be possible at:
12:$7M, 13:$7.5M, 14:$7.5M
Trader, I posted an answer that it was either Bubbles hargrave or Ernie Lombardi and chose Lombardi. It was about 20 minutes or so after you posted it. That’s when I saw the question.
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That was a trivia question asked me yesterday by Craig Breslow’s Uncle, who I had just met.
Ernie Lombardi was the one he was looking for. I had to tell him I never saw him play. I think he was close to 300 lbs when catching for the Cardinals.
I would rather give the ball to Nova every fifth day instead of Kuroda who has a career ERA of 3.50 pitching in the National League.
Kuroda would have a tough time making it out of the 5th inning against Boston, Texas, Toronto or Detroit.
Lombardi was huge, even at a younger age.
Hargrave wouldn’t come close to qualifying for a batting title except by the rules that year with just 365 plate appearances.
JackCurryYES Jack Curry Yankees think Edwin Jackson is solid, but aren’t pursuing now. They have interest in Hiroki Kuroda. Keep insisting they won’t overpay
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That could change quickly following Wednesday’s game.
Chip July 25th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
I understand completely how trading works. If Seattle had a budget that prevented them from adding players then I would agree with you about trading Felix, but that’s not the case. Seattle’s already got a lot of young “Top Prospects” that they’re trying to work into the lineup. They have the money to spend. So instead of dealing Felix you build around him.
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This is what I’ve been trying to say, but no body seems to be listening
BTW ~ re: Smoak
I’m willing to give him quite a bit of rope….
The kid has been through a LOT – traded mid-season in his rookie year from a team that was contending to a team far from it. Then being sent down from new team after struggling mightily, being brought back up to see a bit of success in Sept. After a great start to the 2011 season, he suffers the tragic loss of his father who he was extremely close to. Even after returning from bereavement leave he (amazingly) continued to perform well over a couple of weeks. He now has more big league AB’s than minor league ones, but is still under 700. He’s still got time to prove his worth.
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
As Yanks explore market for pitchers, trying to find someone better than Nova and acquire w/o giving up Betances, Banuelos, Montero, Romine.
Let the rumors begin. Romine is sitting for the second night in a row. No injuries (unless it’s a concussion)
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Rumor-The White Sox are heavily scouting the Yankees farm system
Rumor-Carlos Quentin, Edwin Jackson and possibly Matt Thornton are being shopped.
Fact: AJ Pierzynski is one of the worst catchers at throwing out baserunners
Romine interests the White Sox in a package for 2 of those three?
I would rather give the ball to Nova every fifth day instead of Kuroda who has a career ERA of 3.50 pitching in the National League
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You are underestimating Kuroda and overrating Nova.
Kuroda is a good pitcher. Not only better than Nova but prob better than AJ and Hughes as well.
What’s worse adding a piece while overpaying, or not adding a piece at all?
I sure hope for 3 wins against the M’s or this place is going to meltdown completely.
GB-
How do you now rank Warren, Phelps, Mitchell?
Noesi slightly better than Nova?
Can the Yankees afford to include Romine who you felt, if necessary could be a corner OF’er, in a deal. Potential to be better than Laird if both moved to a corner OF position.
Kuroda’s also well past 36 years of age and it will take prospects and about $7 mil to rent him for 2 months.
They aren’t gonna find anyone better than Nova without giving up one of those 4…..Im not sure Edwin Jackson is better than Nova and he’s a rental. Kuroda doesn’t wanna leave the west coast….
Either find somebody worth trading one of those guys for or don’t waste your chips on marginal upgrades……
Chip,
Be honest …..you googled the answer to Trader’s trivia question right
Trader,
since Phelps has been on the DL for a bit, he’s probably fell behind the others. Right now, Warren, Mitchell and Phelps, though, I really like Mitchell as a Mendoza type for NY. Noesi over Nova, but, they are really close.
Kuroda goes from no offense NL West to the AL east when he’s not wild about leaving LA…….no thanks unless its next to free on the prospect from.
“Either find somebody worth trading one of those guys for or don’t waste your chips on marginal upgrades……”
This.
Every good game that either Colon or Garcia throws is another game of experience that pitchers down below are getting without rushing their progress.
New Post-Chavez back in locker room—->