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Have a pitcher with a pitcher

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Are you going to be in the city on Wednesday night? Want to have a drink with an all-star?

To raise money for High Socks for Hope, Dave Robertson will serve as a celebrity bartender at Foley’s Pub and Restaurant in Manhattan on Wednesday night. Robertson will be behind the bar from 7 to 9 p.m. raising funds and awareness to help victims of the tornado that crushed his home town of Tuscaloosa, Ala. back in April.

From the High Socks for Hope website:

Foley’s will donate half of its proceeds that evening to the High Socks for Hope fund, established by David Robertson with his wife, Erin, to help people who live in Tuscaloosa rebuild their lives. All of David’s tips from bartending will go to the fund, as will the proceeds from photographs and baseballs that he signs at the event. There will also be an auction for prizes including Yankee memorabilia and a chance to have lunch with David at Foley’s.

In addition, Foley’s is renaming one of its menu items in honor of the Robertsons, and a portion of on-going sales will continue to benefit High Socks for Hope.

Foley’s is the same place where Brian Cashman tended bar this winter. It’s a great little baseball place in the city. My  hope is to get out of Wednesday’s day game in time to get down there.

 
 

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204 Responses to “Have a pitcher with a pitcher”

  1. Bronx Jeers July 26th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    And the drinks are on Lohud?

  2. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    REPOST

    Just because I had it up to answer S.O.S.’s question – here’s my 2012 All FA team:

    ss – Jose Reyes
    LF – Johnny Damon
    RF – Carlos Beltran
    1b – Albert Pujols
    DH – Prince Fielder
    CF – Grady Sizemore
    C – Chris Snyder
    3B – Edwin Encarnacion
    2b – Kelly Johnson

    Bench: Pudge Rodriguez, Orlando Cabrera, Juan Pierre, Lance Berkman

    Rotation:

    CC
    Chris Carpenter
    CJ Wilson
    Roy Oswalt
    Mark Buerhle

    Pen:
    RHP: Papelbon, Heath Bell, Jonathon Broxton, Matt Capps, Rich Harden
    LHP: Jeff Francis, George Sherrill

    It’s a terrible defensive team – and it’s old – but it’s what I had to work with and lord knows I wouldn’t want to face that lineup or rotation.

  3. Yank 97 July 26th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    DKnobler
    Cards now appear to be shopping Rasmus widely. Nationals had scout in STL last night.

  4. blake July 26th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Joelsherman1 4 mins Same exec: “It doesn’t matter how good Alderson does, only so much can get for CB for 2 months. They’ll get good return, not headline” #Mets

    Joelsherman1 7 mins “They’re not ready to settle, but are ready to think more ultimately about what return they actually will get.” #Mets

    Joelsherman1 8 mins Exec interested in Beltran said #Mets price today is different than 2 weeks ago, not shooting for sky as much. Exec said: (cont)

    Pretty much what I’ve been saying all along…..Cash should swoop in with some B level pitchers and the checkbook.

  5. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Ray VT –

    You might be right on the Yankee thinking about Thornton – I just think it’s more likely that they’re going to try to bring in a LHP on a 1 year deal or signed for a lot less money. My guesses:

    Will Ohman
    Randy Choate
    Mike Dunn
    Mike Gonzalez

    I wouldn’t mind them bringing in Thornton – I have never been one to get bent out of shape about payroll.

    How about:

    Brackman, Romine and Mitchell for Thornton and Quentin.

  6. blake July 26th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    MTU,

    DH/C and 1B later on maybe when Tex’s deal is up. I still have hope he can catch at least some.

  7. heyman_sux July 26th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Tommy John is pretty simple for baseball players. Find me all the guys who were ruined by Tommy John? what I expect he will be back within 12 to 18 months, with a slight loss of control to begin with until he finds himself. And then he will be like always has been.
    ____________

    I don?t understand. Are you agreeing with the Joba/Phil swap? If so, how do you even plan that out, given he?ll be out 12-18 months? Throw Hughes to the pen, leave a hole in the rotation, wait out Joba?s recovery, then hope he can come back and be stretched to SP?

  8. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Blake-

    But what if he can’t ?

    That’s my point.

  9. blake July 26th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Rasmus is the kind of player Cashman has targeted lately…..only younger. Granderson and Swisher were both talented guys with several years of control….who were having down or coming off down years and their teams were ready for a change. Rasmus doesn’t even start arbitration until next year and is a potential star.

  10. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    If I wasn’t in Utah I’d be there to meet Robertson in person.

    I like that kid. He’s solid.

    The drinking would be secondary of course.

    :)

  11. hardwired7 July 26th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Don’t ask me why I found myself reading a Mushnick column this morning, but I’m glad I did. I came across this bit about D-Rob:

    “Seems everywhere I go, someone has a story about meeting Yankees pitcher David Robertson and the story has the same ending: They’re blown away by how gracious he is, a gentleman by the strictest standards.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....lYvTq16I/1

  12. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Some jumbled thoughts on Montero. They shouldn’t trade him. They have him catching right? This is actively hurting his offense (its harder to hit and catch), which in turn hurts his prospect value. It doesn’t make sense, unless the Yankees believe in him catching in the future. If they believe he can catch then they shouldn’t trade him, because there is no way to get fair value on a guy most people don’t think can catch. There is literally no upside to putting ones head in the sand, forcing him to catch, then trying to shop him to teams that don’t believe it. its just lowering his value for those vultures to swoop in. Imagine if he was learning first or DHing and batting crazy? He’d be worth more to the teams which have given up on him catching. That to me means either some teams out there think he can catch, the yankees think he can catch, or the yankees are idiots. If the former is true, then they shouldn’t trade him.

  13. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Blake-

    What the give for Rasmus ?

  14. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Berkman out with mild right shoulder sprain. Throws left-handed. He expects to be back in 1-2 days. If not, do they keep Rasmus.

    Jimenez was terrible against the Diamondbacks his last outing- 101 pitches in 5 innings, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts. At this point is he really worth a Herschel Walker package?

    I guess the White Sox plan to lose their next 2 games against the Tigers and all 3 games at home against Boston before the 4PM EST trading deadline!!! Talking trading away Jackson, Quentin, Thornton. Handing the Tigers the central

  15. West Coast Yankee Fan July 26th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Sun rises – sun sets

    Hughes starter – Joba reliever

  16. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    edit: What’s. sorry.

  17. G-C July 26th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    “Blake-

    But what if he can’t ?

    That’s my point.”

    __________________

    DH him full time.

    With so many aging players in decline this team doesn’t have the luxury of keeping the DH spot open for Rodriguez and Jeter.

    If A-Rod can’t play third base, we’re more royally screwed for the next six years than everyone thinks.

  18. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    I don’t understand. Are you agreeing with the Joba/Phil swap? If so, how do you even plan that out, given he’ll be out 12-18 months? Throw Hughes to the pen, leave a hole in the rotation, wait out Joba’s recovery, then hope he can come back and be stretched to SP?

    -

    No I would pitch them both in the rotation. The return from Tj includes Rehab, so Joba will be getting back into shape and on a pitching plan. I’d make it a starter. Worst case he just shuffles back to the pen. Best case you have a new starter, one who has proven he can kick ass.

  19. Bronx Jeers July 26th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    We’re revisiting Joba to the rotation?

    Man we really need a trade to happen. Any trade will do. :wink:

  20. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    G-C

    And you think he can for that much longer ?

    I’d be very surprised if he could. Even as good an athlete as he has been.

  21. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Man we really need a trade to happen. Any trade will do.

    Joba to the rotation is like trading for an up and coming ace :twisted:

  22. heyman_sux July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    No I would pitch them both in the rotation. The return from Tj includes Rehab, so Joba will be getting back into shape and on a pitching plan. I?d make it a starter. Worst case he just shuffles back to the pen. Best case you have a new starter, one who has proven he can kick ass.
    __________

    Understood, sort-of agree, but it’s not gonna happen. If ever there were a time to move Joba back to the rotation, it was after the Soriano signing. For whatever reason, it didn’t happen.

  23. SoS July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    For the Hughes to the pen Joba back starting. When Joba comes back from T.J.. There wont be a starters slot open.

    C..C.
    Burnett
    Colon(2 year deal)
    Nova
    One of the B’s(by June)

  24. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    Some jumbled thoughts on Montero. They shouldn’t trade him. They have him catching right? This is actively hurting his offense (its harder to hit and catch), which in turn hurts his prospect value. It doesn’t make sense, unless the Yankees believe in him catching in the future. If they believe he can catch then they shouldn’t trade him, because there is no way to get fair value on a guy most people don’t think can catch. There is literally no upside to putting ones head in the sand, forcing him to catch, then trying to shop him to teams that don’t believe it. its just lowering his value for those vultures to swoop in. Imagine if he was learning first or DHing and batting crazy? He’d be worth more to the teams which have given up on him catching. That to me means either some teams out there think he can catch, the yankees think he can catch, or the yankees are idiots. If the former is true, then they shouldn’t trade him.
    —————

    Jerkface -

    The only argument I have with that is that the Yankees know that Montero’s reputation around the league is as a solid bat. They could be keeping him at catcher because a solid hitter who can catch is more valuable than a solid hitter who is a DH/1b.

  25. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Brackman should have stayed in the bullpen after his breakout 2010 season….Bad move by the Yanks

    —–

    Pat M

    Brackman was a starter in 2010, not a reliever.

  26. blake July 26th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    MTU,

    If he can’t and he still is a good hitter then you find a spot for him….they coukd trade him I guess but only if the value coming back makes sense and is worth possibily losing a good DH…..which aren’t as easy to.find as it seems.

  27. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    They could be keeping him at catcher because a solid hitter who can catch is more valuable than a solid hitter who is a DH/1b.

    But if everyone thinks he can’t catch, there is no value keeping him at catcher. Thats the point. Like the only people who think he is going to catch in the majors are Piliere, Cashman, & people on this blog, so why bother with the ruse? Basically, are you trading him to a team that values him as a catcher? If not, why? If yes, Cash better be getting full value for that kind of player.

  28. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Blake-

    I’ll be honest. I never saw Montero as a full-time DH.

    That would take some adjusting on my part.

    Maybe I should get started ?

    :)

  29. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    My guesses:

    Will Ohman
    Randy Choate
    Mike Dunn
    Mike Gonzalez
    ————————————
    Chip-

    Rumor is Marlins plan to make Mike Dunn the closer when they trade Leo Nunez.
    Mike Gonzalez can’t hit the side of a barn, only Yankees when he last faced them.

    No More LOOGYS!! I’d rather they get a quality reliever who can get both sides out.

    If the Yankees had to pay quality prospects for Matt Thornton and Carlos Quentin, maybe they should offer those prospects to pry loose Mike Adams one of the top set-up men in the league, along with Ryan Ludwick, a player the Padres would like to unload with his 6.775M salary in his walk year. Or maybe Not after I looked up Ryan Ludwicks latest stats!!! LOL.

  30. Bronx Jeers July 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Joba to the rotation is like trading for an up and coming ace

    —————————————————–

    I’m a Joba fan myself. To me it looks as if the Yanks view him as dishwater.

  31. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    SoS July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    For the Hughes to the pen Joba back starting. When Joba comes back from T.J.. There wont be a starters slot open.

    C..C.
    Burnett
    Colon(2 year deal)
    Nova
    One of the B’s(by June)

    ——–

    can’t give Bart a 2 year deal.

  32. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Blake-

    What is your trade proposal for Rasmus ?

  33. G-C July 26th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    “G-C

    And you think he can for that much longer ?

    I’d be very surprised if he could. Even as good an athlete as he has been.”

    ________________________________________

    MTU,

    It seems like his problems arise moreso with running the bases (as pathetic as that is for someone as athletic as he is) than with playing in the field.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Alex. But there’s a damn good chance he’s brought this new glass body upon himself via God-knows how many years of performance enhancing drug use.

    The Yankees already made a potentially franchise crippling decision by signing him to that contract. Compounding it by conceding that he needs to DH (with a very diminished bat from when he signed that contract) would make it exponentially worse.

    I don’t buy the “rotating DH” theory. This team needs offense. Taking at bats away from Montero to further accomodate Alex, Derek, and any other declining bats makes this team worse, both now and in the future.

    Do you think the if the Mets were in the AL they wouldn’t have found room for Mike Piazza at DH? Did it ever really matter that Edgar Martinez didn’t have a position?

    A lot of this depends on precisely what kind of bat Montero will have at the MLB level. If he’s someone whose going to OPS .850 in his prime, that doesn’t make it worth it. But if he has the kind of potential that most talent evaluators both within and outside of the organization believe he has, you need to make room for him, regardless of whether its at DH, first base, centerfield, I don’t care! :)

  34. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    JF,

    Good jumbled post…..I agree except that I would make sure he can’t catch before moving him…..

    MTU,

    Not sure……the Cards are looking for pitching I think. It would be a little risky but its a move that could pay off big time as well. He’s really talented……maybe a change of scenery and playing for a manager that doesn’t hate him would help?

  35. West Coast Yankee Fan July 26th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    There is no debate on Joba to the rotation, only here. It’s a contrived, nonsensical not going to happen fantasy.

  36. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Rasmus + Jimenez:

    My feeling is the Cards are motivated to move Rasmus this deadline, same goes for the Rockies and Jimenez.

    It’s juts that both teams are doing an excellent job of posturing. They seem to have convinced all of us convinced they won’t come down from their demands.

    To me that looks like skilled negotiating.

    Cards and Rox are doing an excellent job.

    Yanks are doing a good job of being stubborn as well but I don’t think they’re fooling anybody.

    They might say they’re not dealing any of Montero or the B’s…they might even say that Romine and Nova are untouchable.

    But we know it’s just not true.

  37. Yank 97 July 26th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    “I’m a Joba fan myself. To me it looks as if the Yanks view him as dishwater.”

    lol sad but true

    But what would that make Hughes? An ironing board?

  38. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Trader -

    I don’t trust any pitcher who enjoys his first real success while pitching in YellowStone park…I mean Petco – so that means I’ll pass on Mike Adams (and Heath Bell)

  39. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    If you move Montero from catcher then his value drops also though….

  40. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    A lot of this depends on precisely what kind of bat Montero will have at the MLB level. If he’s someone whose going to OPS .850 in his prime, that doesn’t make it worth it.

    —–

    If Montero can be Victor Martinez that would be cool.

  41. Pat M. July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    LGY….You better check again about Brackman and his bullpen duty in 2010

  42. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Rumor is Marlins plan to make Mike Dunn the closer when they trade Leo Nunez.

    This is a good test run for D-rob as closer. Mike Dunn walks hella dudes.

  43. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    G-C

    Gotcha. reading you loud and clear on your POV.

    My question remains. What do you do if Alex can’t handle playing 3rd due to those aforementioned things, or he just succumbs a bit more to his age ?

    We can complain about the nature of the contract all we want but the issue might still need to be resolved by him spending time at DH.

    Especially if his bat remains potent but his mobility goes down.

    You sure as heck can’t eat a contract like that.

  44. G-C July 26th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    “If Montero can be Victor Martinez that would be cool.”

    _________________________________________

    Sure. I think he can be quite a bit better though.

    Which is saying something!

  45. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    I’m just having trouble gauging what Rasmus’ value is because isn’t he still only playing part time under Tony?

    I’m not saying we wouldnt have to give to get.. but how much would we really have to overpay (with the Yankees tax and all)?

  46. Pat M. July 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Check that LGY…2011, My error…….He was thriving out of the bullpen is my point

  47. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    LGY….You better check again about Brackman and his bullpen duty in 2010

    ——

    He pitched out of the bullpen one time in 2010 Pat.

  48. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    LGY….You better check again about Brackman and his bullpen duty in 2010

    He came out of the pen 1 time in 2010.

  49. SoS July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    can’t give Bart a 2 year deal.

    =========

    Chip,
    Then hes as good as gone. Burnett had a history of being hurt and got a 5 year deal. Granted he was much younger. But with the way Colon has been pitching this year and his velocity up at 95, mid 3 era. Why not? Having said all that. Its funny how Garcia gets no love. The man also has an era in the low 3′s but doesnt have the blazing fastball. Everyone keeps saying that his smoke and mirrors act will run out. Still waiting. When will he get some props? For all of us wanting the Yanks to get a front line pitcher. How many teams out there have 3 guys in the rotation with a sub 4 era? Maybe our pitchers arent the flashy names out there. I wonder if they were both on other teams if we would be asking the Yanks to trade for them to help us get to the finish line.

    Still think the Yanks should see what Seattle will want for Beddard.

  50. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Pat

    He has been terrible in the bullpen this year.

  51. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Personally I’m not on board with Colby Rasmus, like Jon Jay, his teammate better. Cardinals do need pitching to win the central and currently have 4 OF’ers who are everyday players.

    Maybe a 3 way trade with prospects going from Cardinals and Yankees to Rockies, with Jimenez to Cardinals and Rasmus to the Yankees?

  52. G-C July 26th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    MTU,

    That’s a scary thought!

    Complaining about the contract won’t make it go away. You’re right on that count.

    I’m not really sure how you would work it. I think its one of those things that you hope and pray doesn’t happen in the near future and swear to deal with “when it comes.” Hopefully that time is a lot later rather than sooner.

    I think a lot of it depends on the degree to which his mobility in the field erodes. Does he need to DH twice a week? Three times a week? Nearly full time?

    I hope its more of a two day a week type thing because any more than that could really hamstring the active roster.

  53. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    He was thriving out of the bullpen is my point

    We looking at the same lines? He gave up 1,1,2,3,5,3,1 runs out of the pen, all but 1 of those in consecutive outings. Its not what I would call thriving.

  54. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Blake-

    Would you go Nova for Rasmus straight up ?

    Would they ?

  55. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    SoS July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    can’t give Bart a 2 year deal.

    =========

    Chip,
    Then hes as good as gone. Burnett had a history of being hurt and got a 5 year deal. Granted he was much younger. But with the way Colon has been pitching this year and his velocity up at 95, mid 3 era. Why not? Having said all that. Its funny how Garcia gets no love. The man also has an era in the low 3?s but doesnt have the blazing fastball. Everyone keeps saying that his smoke and mirrors act will run out. Still waiting. When will he get some props? For all of us wanting the Yanks to get a front line pitcher. How many teams out there have 3 guys in the rotation with a sub 4 era? Maybe our pitchers arent the flashy names out there. I wonder if they were both on other teams if we would be asking the Yanks to trade for them to help us get to the finish line.

    Still think the Yanks should see what Seattle will want for Beddard.

    —————

    I wasn’t suggesting giving him a longer contract – I was thinking another 1 year deal.

    I have no problem with Bedard, but I think he’s an August pick up. He’s making his first start off the DL on Friday and I would like to see how he comes through that before making a move for him.

    I would be more interested this weekend in Rich Harden who has made some quality starts since coming back.

  56. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    G-C

    No idea. I was just tossing out the possibility. The odds are not extremely small IMO.

    Just look at the recent streak of injuries.

    You would think that only increases over time. 3rd base is a demanding position.

    Not as demanding as SS but demanding nevertheless.

  57. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Trader,

    Jimenez to the Cardinals?

    Bump that shat.

  58. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    Personally I’m not on board with Colby Rasmus, like Jon Jay, his teammate better. Cardinals do need pitching to win the central and currently have 4 OF’ers who are everyday players.

    Maybe a 3 way trade with prospects going from Cardinals and Yankees to Rockies, with Jimenez to Cardinals and Rasmus to the Yankees?

    ———–

    I think if the Rox and Cards could swing a deal involving Rasmus and Jimenez the Rox would want him to end up in Colorado.

  59. spidanyc July 26th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Yankees would be smart to trade both Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia before the deadline as their trade value would be pretty high as they both have been terrific this year and they are both dirt cheap. Now the reason I suggest trading them both is because we all know that they will eventually breakdown, but other clubs might not. Get good prospests back for Colon and Garcia and use them in trades for Ubaldo, Danks and Rasmus.

  60. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Remember – in Rasmus you’re talking about a top prospect making no money who everyone in the league other than his manager believes will be a top flight player.

    I don’t see any team getting involved in a three way deal that involves Rasmus and being content with being the team that doesn’t get him.

    Just my opinion.

  61. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    No freakin’ way you’re getting Ubaldo for Rasmus straight up.

    Not a prayer IMO.

  62. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Chip,

    Do you really think Bedard clears waivers in August?

    That’s not happening.

    He will be dealt.

    If the pricetag on Jimenez is too high, I’m for adding Bedard and Rasmus at the deadline.

    Jimenez/Carlos Guillen/Thornton seems like a coup as well but just not realistic.

  63. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    edit: Jimenez/Carlos QUENTIN/Thornton.

  64. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    I’m not even sure I’d give Nova straight up for Rasmus.

    You’re talking potential only with Rasmus.

    He and the Cards do not get along. That’s their problem.

  65. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
    Rumor is Marlins plan to make Mike Dunn the closer when they trade Leo Nunez.

    This is a good test run for D-rob as closer. Mike Dunn walks hella dudes.
    ———————————-
    Yes I know, but those he doesn’t walk hit <.200 from both sides plate.
    Would you rather have him or Boone Logan??

  66. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    “Would you go Nova for Rasmus straight up ?”

    Absolutely …..no.question about it. I doubt the Cards would though……if they could build a package for him with Nova as the centerpiece then they should go after that hard IMO.

  67. G. Love July 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I don’t think it’s wise to be projecting Joba as a starter. His TJ surgery still doesn’t address the shoulder issue he had in the past that required some down time and caused the Yankees to use him differently.

    If Hughes would get over the hump, he’d do a lot for this team in the present and the future.

    Cashman and the front office have to be sitting there pretty terrified that after the season the only starting pitchers under contract are AJ, Hughes and Nova if CC opts out. The other guys are free agents and old. This team needs to trade for a top young starter because waiting to develop one could take 2 more seasons and the win now portion of the team will be using walkers and canes at that point.

    I think if Ubaldo is out there the Yankees and the Rockies are going to do business unless another young ace is in the process of shaking loose as we speak.

    Even if Hughes has a great start this week, I don’t think the front office is going to be fooled into thinking he’s a sure thing going forward. He’s a work in progress at best at this point.

  68. BoJo July 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Joba to the rotation is like trading for an up and coming ace
    ___
    Most pitcher gain 1 or 2 mph on their fastball after TJ too…coupled with his recovered shoulder and his secondary pitches…the guy has Verlander stuff. I hope they do let him rehab as a starter and let him have the chance to show what he can do.

  69. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Blake-

    Thanks. Just wanted your take.

    What else do the Cards need aside from MLB ready pitching ?

  70. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    Chip,

    Do you really think Bedard clears waivers in August?

    That’s not happening.

    He will be dealt.

    If the pricetag on Jimenez is too high, I’m for adding Bedard and Rasmus at the deadline.

    Jimenez/Carlos Guillen/Thornton seems like a coup as well but just not realistic.

    ———————

    I think Bedard will clear. He’s making (I think) $3.5 mil and has been hurt for a month.

    Again, let’s see how he comes through his start on Friday before measuring him for pinstripes.

    As I said – I am not morally opposed to Bedard, but at this juncture I think Harden is just as good and we know he’s pitching healthy – can’t say that about Bedard.

  71. JCPD July 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Yankees would be smart to trade both Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia before the deadline as their trade value would be pretty high as they both have been terrific this year and they are both dirt cheap. Now the reason I suggest trading them both is because we all know that they will eventually breakdown, but other clubs might not. Get good prospests back for Colon and Garcia and use them in trades for Ubaldo, Danks and Rasmus.

    ——————————————————————————
    Oy vey!!! Rolling eyes. So you really think you’d get prospects back for Colon and Garcia that are better than the ones we already have? I think I need a drink after this suggestion.

  72. BoJo July 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    When Joba is going through rehab, the team will have Mo, DRob, Soriano, Wade, and other strong relievers, so there won’t be the need to put him back there…they have the luxury of experimenting.

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  74. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    Blake-

    Thanks. Just wanted your take.

    What else do the Cards need aside from MLB ready pitching ?

    —————

    SS, 2b, CF

  75. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    MTU -

    I would happily give the Cards Nova and either Nunez or Gardner for Rasmus.

  76. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    His TJ surgery still doesn’t address the shoulder issue he had in the past that required some down time and caused the Yankees to use him differently.

    Use him differently? You mean start him for an entire season while saying the injury made it so he can’t warm up fast enough to be a reliever? Its clear the Yankees are just lying about whatever regarding Joba to try and keep the media frenzy at bay. They have no rhyme or reason with Joba.

  77. SoS July 26th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    I wasn’t suggesting giving him a longer contract – I was thinking another 1 year deal.

    =========

    Chip,
    I understood your post. I dont think a 1 year deal will do the trick. If he finishes the year strong, I wouldnt mind rolling the dice on a 2 year if its for a reasonable amount. He has the tools to be the #2 that we so desperately keep searching for.

  78. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    MTU,

    You’re talking potential with Nova as well though…..he’s been ok as a starter…..nothing spectacular. They have more depth with guys like him than guys like Rasmus.

  79. Bronx Jeers July 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    spidanyc says:
    July 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm
    ————————————————–

    Thank you for adding this to our tangled web of trade proposals.

  80. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Yes I know, but those he doesn’t walk hit <.200 from both sides plate.
    Would you rather have him or Boone Logan??

    Well probably Mike Dunn if the choice is Boone Logan or Mike Dunn, but I don't trust a guy that gives up a lot of HRs and walks 5+ guys per 9. All it takes is some bad luck on BIP and its over for him.

  81. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Colon and Garcia will remain in the starting rotation barring injury. If the Yankees add Jimenez or Bedard, Garza, Gio or Anibel Sanchez, then Phil Hughes will be going to AAA (unless Hughes himself is involved in the deal).

    I think the Yankees will go to battle down the stretch with this:

    CC Sabathia
    *Trade acquisition
    Bartolo Colon
    Freddy Garcia
    AJ Burnett

    It’s possible AJ Burnett will not get a playoff start.

  82. G. Love July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    If the Yankees emptied their system and brought back Ubaldo and Rasmus I think Gammons would knock himself unconscious by repeatedly banging his head into the lens of the camera that was shooting his reacting at the moment.

    Remember when he almost tore up the ESPN set like Lou Ferigno when the Yankees drafted Gerit Cole?

  83. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    G. Love-

    Ubaldo may not be having a great season at the moment but if he is healthy he has a top flight arm.

    It surprises me that he is given such short shrift by some here.

    Perhaps he is having a velocity decline much like Verlander did that one year ?

    No idea. Health is the biggest issue there IMO. If his arm is OK the Yankees would do well to get him for now and the future.

    That’s my two cents. Many here disagree.

  84. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    How about this trade – it’s two players who are both seeing their value diminished right now:

    Hughes for Rasmus

  85. Abomb82 July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Boy, that Vazquez trade looks worse and worse

    They traded a guy who is now a top 10 pitching prospect (Vizciano), a nasty LH reliever who will possibly become a closer (Dunn), and a 20/20 CF in Melky

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  87. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Chip,

    You would do Gardner + Nova for Rasmus?

    That’s interesting.

    Earlier this year the Yankees were said to be shopping Gardner for starting pitching. He might be more valuable in a potential deal for a #2 starter like Gio or Jimenez OR someone we haven’t discussed.

    I don’t think Gardner would go in a Rasmus deal.

  88. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    I would offer Nova, Phelps, and Adams/Laird/some other guy like that for Rasmus. Or a similar package of that level.

    I wouldn’t include Gardner because that defeats the purpose of the trade and would be hesitant on Nunez.

  89. Bronx Jeers July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    JCPD,

    Was that a serious proposal?

    I thought it was one of those acid tests or something. :wink:

  90. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    “Hughes for Rasmus”

    That’s an interesting one….

  91. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Chip,

    I suggested Hughes for Rasmus a while back.

  92. Nick in SF July 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    There is a “If Carlos Beltran is traded before the trade deadline who will it be to?” prop on my sportsbook.

    The SF Giants are the faves at 2/1. In order, the Braves, Rangers, Red Sox, Phillies, and Reds are also listed. Everyone else is part of the Field.

  93. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Chip-

    How about Nova + Adams/joseph ?

    I would consider that. I like GGBG. Don’t want to move him. Or Nunez. He’s Jeter insurance.

    Blake-

    I don’t see Nova as potential. I think he has already proven that he can win and win consistently.

    He learns on the job and his game was improving dramatically when he was pulled for Hughes.

    He may not be a S/O pitcher but his stuff is good. I also think his slider and CU could develop into that type of a pitch.

    He isn’t chopped liver.

  94. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    Chip,

    You would do Gardner + Nova for Rasmus?

    —————

    I like Gardner but with the exception of his speed Rasmus is better in every facet of the game and he’s 3 years younger.

    In retrospect I do think the most fair deal for both teams is Hughes for Rasmus. Both had very good 2010 seasons and have seen their production drop off this year. In St. Louis Hughes would work with Dave Duncan who I am sure would turn him into the pitcher he’s supposed to be. Here in NY Rasmus would move over to RF, feast on the short porch and be a fixture there the way Paulie was. Swisher would move to DH and send Posada to the bench.

    A defensive outfield of Granderson flanked by Gardner and Rasmus would be amazing. And, at the time when Granderson’s contract is up – should the Yankees wish to let him go – they could move Rasmus back to CF as guys like Zolio Almonte and Slade Heathcott should be show ready.

  95. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    “Hughes for Rasmus”

    That’s an interesting one….

    ———–

    And it has the rare quality of being fair for both teams.

  96. JCPD July 26th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Bronx, you’re on to something…… maybe he was on acid!! ;-)

  97. G. Love July 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    MTU,

    I’m right there with you. I look at our future rotation just past this season. If CC somehow opted out we’d be left with AJ, Hughes and Nova (if no one is traded) and then would be dumpster diving again or rushing prospects. I don’t see the team striking gold twice dumpster diving and I don’t see Betances and Banuelos being physically ready to throw 200 innings each at the major league level next season.

    This team needs an upgrade to the rotation for this and for beyond. If Ubaldo is out there, and I believe at this point he is, I think the Yankees have make the best deal they can and bring back a top young starter.

    Kuroda, Bedadrd, Derek Lowe, etc. are nothing but band aids that will cost chips you can use in bigger deals. Get the big fish. If he comes here and bombs out, his contract isn’t so onerous that it will sink the organization.

    The Yankees need to start flexing their muscle internationally again and just sign the best arms they can outside of the draft to rebuild the minors.

    I think this team, with a few additions and some healthy players returning (Arod, Chavez, Soriano), can win a title this year.

  98. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    I like Gardner but with the exception of his speed Rasmus is better in every facet of the game and he’s 3 years younger.

    Gardner has better plate discipline and defense, its not just speed.

  99. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Blake-

    Hughes for Rasmus is interesting but I doubt the Yankees would do that.

    I think they still believe in Hughes potential. Maybe I’m wrong.

    How good do you think Rasmus could be ?

  100. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    “If the Yankees emptied their system and brought back Ubaldo and Rasmus I think Gammons would knock himself unconscious by repeatedly banging his head into the lens of the camera that was shooting his reacting at the moment.”

    They would really have to gut the upper levels of the system to do that…..however they would be adding 2 young cost controlled players and significantly increase true.chances if winning this year.

  101. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    So if you make the Hughes/Rasmus deal – it doesn’t help the pitching, but nor does it hurt it much as Nova or Warren would come up to take Phil’s spot.

    The lineup would be:

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Swisher – DH
    Rasmus
    Martin
    Gardner

    Rotation:
    CC, Colon, AJ, Nova, Garcia

    I can live with that.

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  103. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    Blake-

    Hughes for Rasmus is interesting but I doubt the Yankees would do that.

    I think they still believe in Hughes potential. Maybe I’m wrong.

    How good do you think Rasmus could be ?

    ——————-

    I personally think that he can at least be Paul O’Neill good.

  104. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    I like Gardner but with the exception of his speed Rasmus is better in every facet of the game and he’s 3 years younger.

    —–

    Gardner has better plate discipline, defense, and base stealing.

    It remains to be seen who is the better average hitter.

  105. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I am on board with Hughes for Rasmus.

    Both are underachievers with high upside.

    Despite the fact Rasmus is hitting in the .240′s, baseball officials are saying the Cards are asking for a “TON”.

    Wouldn’t it be weird Cashman shopped Hughes and Cash demanded a “TON”.

    Can’t picture it, right?

    The Cards price will come down or they are stuck with Rasmus when he is their best chip available to acquire a starter.

    Rasmus WILL be dealt for a fair price.

    Hughes is fair I think.

  106. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    MTU,

    I think he could be really good……like annual all star good. I know Nova isn’t chopped liver ……I like him….but I think they have several guys on his level including his twin Noesi. Offering him for a guy like Rasmus wouldn’t be a slap at his value.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan July 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I believe the Yankees are committed to Hughes at this point and feel he is a significant part of their future rotation. I cannot imagine they are even close to giving up on him right now. Of course the proverbial offer you can’t refuse could change that; but I can’t see another club doing that.

  108. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Alright – Hughes for Rasmus it is. Now which one of us has the phone # for Cash and Mozelik (sp) to get them on board!

  109. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    All of these trade proposals are starting to give me a headache. ;)

  110. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    and – just for LGY – send a C prospect to the Twinkies to add Jim Thome to the Yankee bench.

  111. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    They wouldn’t need good pitchers with Gardner, Granderson, and Rasmus in the outfield :)

  112. G. Love July 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    I don’t think the Cards would take Hughes. The mysterious velocity thing is a red flag. You could offer them Nova, Nunez and Romine for Rasmus and see how they react. I’d take that chance even though I love Nova so far.

  113. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    by “C prospect” I mean a guy like Kevin Whalen – not a “Catching prospect”

  114. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Chip-

    Gun to your head.

    Who do you trade for Rasmus Hughes or Nova ?

    Tell me why.

    I think that’s a more difficult decision than it seems.

    It involves who you think will have a higher ceiling going forward.

    OTOH, maybe we do not need to move either and we keep the pitching depth instead ?

  115. 4time July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I’d to Hughes for Rasmus. I’d trade Hughes in a lot of deals – Jiminez, Gio, Garza, etc.

  116. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    “and –just for LGY –send a C prospect to the Twinkies to add Jim Thome to the Yankee bench.”

    What no Dejesus for Bret?

  117. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    G. Love July 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
    I don’t think the Cards would take Hughes. The mysterious velocity thing is a red flag. You could offer them Nova, Nunez and Romine for Rasmus and see how they react. I’d take that chance even though I love Nova so far.

    —————

    Part of it really depends on how much they just want to get rid of Rasmus at this point because of the headache that the situation has become.

    I have no doubt Dave Duncan could look at film of Hughes and say “yup, I can fix that” and by this time next year a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia and Hughes is mowing down the NL Central.

  118. LGY July 26th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    They wouldn’t need good pitchers with Gardner, Granderson, and Rasmus in the outfield

    ——–

    Lol.

    That OF would be insane.

  119. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    G. Love,

    Nova + Nunez + Romine?

    Too much!

    How about Nova + Noesi + Cervelli?

  120. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    I would rather trade Nova than Hughes…..I still think there is a really good pitcher on there with Phil……not that there isn’t with Nova but Hughes has more upside IMO.

  121. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I’d do Hughes + Noesi + Cervelli for Rasmus.

  122. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

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  123. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Blake,

    Hughes only has a couple years to turn it around, then he starts getting expensive.

    Nova can post comparable stats for a much longer duration at a much lower total cost.

  124. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    How about Hughes + Gary Sanchez + Brackman for Rasmus?

  125. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Chip,

    I don’t think Duncan could make Hughes a sinkerballer……that’s hi thing.

    Bret,

    I think that’s too much…….I really like Noesi though….probably more than I should.

  126. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    G. Love-

    Can I be there to watch Gammons do that ?

    :)

    Chip_

    I can see what you said happening if Duncan got his hands on a healthy Hughes.

    I can imagine him teaching Phil a 2 seamer and him becoming really deadly.

    Of course, I wouldn’t mind seeing that happen with the Yankees instead.

    ;)

  127. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    What do you guys think of Billingsley ?

  128. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Bret,

    The Yanks would rather have the better pitcher though…..money is secondary. I think long term that’ll be Hughes.

  129. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    Chip-

    Gun to your head.

    Who do you trade for Rasmus Hughes or Nova ?

    Tell me why.

    I think that’s a more difficult decision than it seems.

    It involves who you think will have a higher ceiling going forward.

    OTOH, maybe we do not need to move either and we keep the pitching depth instead ?

    ——————

    Hughes.

    It’s more a lack of confidence in the Yankee organization than it is anything to do with Phil. I think there’s obviously a problem there that needs to be addressed and the Yankees don’t have a clue as to how to do it.

    Beyond that, I think you could do a deal with Hughes one-for-one to get Rasmus, I don’t believe you could say the same about Nova.

    I think Rasmus would be a fixture in RF for the next decade at least.

    As for pitching depth – given where Hughes is right now – I don’t think there’s that much of a difference between him, Nova, Noesi, Warren and Phelps – Hughes has higher upside than any of them, but as I said, I don’t think the Yankees are going to be the team that unlocks that potential.

    Seems to me that both guys could benefit from a change of scenary and change of coaching staff.

  130. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    “What do you guys think of Billingsley ?”

    I like him…..he’s.never really put it totally together yet. He’d be a good #3 guy…..maybe potentially a 2.

  131. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    OK.

    Here’s the big-game wish list:

    Ubaldo

    Rasmus

    Thorton

    Told ya’ I’m greedy.

    P.S. You can substitute any high end pitcher you like for Ubaldo.

    And Thornton is optional.

  132. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    What about Nova + Igawa + Nunez?

    I just feel bad that no one ever even considers using Igawa as bait…

  133. heyman_sux July 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    What do you guys think of Billingsley ?
    *******

    Better than Kuroka, more realistic than Kershaw. But he also wouldn’t give me much more confidence for the playoffs than say, Phil

  134. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 54 mins price slowly coming down on beltran. they’re off Minor, D. Brown, Wheeler, etc now. #tradedeadline

  135. Irreverent Discourse July 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Cody Ransom got called up with the dbacks. Like Scranton west over there…

  136. spidanyc July 26th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Yankees would be smart to trade both Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia before the deadline as their trade value would be pretty high as they both have been terrific this year and they are both dirt cheap. Now the reason I suggest trading them both is because we all know that they will eventually breakdown, but other clubs might not. Get good prospests back for Colon and Garcia and use them in trades for Ubaldo, Danks and Rasmus.

    ??????????????????????????
    Oy vey!!! Rolling eyes. So you really think you?d get prospects back for Colon and Garcia that are better than the ones we already have? I think I need a drink after this suggestion.

    ——————————————————————–

    I’m not suggesting we get better prospects than we already have, but what I am suggesting is we can add these prospects to the ones we have to sweeten up the deals for Ubaldo, Danks and Rasmus. If guys like Kuroda, Bedard, etc have tradde value then why wouldn’t cheaper alternatives such as Garcia and Colon have trade value?

  137. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Chip,

    I don’t think Duncan could make Hughes a sinkerballer……that’s hi thing.

    ————–

    Why not?

    To my untrained eye Phil’s FB doesn’t have enough movement to get swings and misses, his cutter doesn’t have the velocity to get them and for whatever reason he doesn’t trust either his curve or change. I sure think Duncan could work with that. Junk the cutter and start throwing a 2 seam FB instead of a 4 seamer to compensate for the lack of velocity by adding sink.

    Also think playing in the NL would be helpful to him.

  138. Irreverent Discourse July 26th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Billingsley better than Kuroda? Not now, not never.

    Kuroda has to be one of the most underrated pitchers in baseball.

  139. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Blake-

    Maybe you have to settle for Beltran.

    ;)

  140. pat July 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    pcaldera Rafael Soriano long-tossing in the outfield with Larry Rothschild. In case you were wondering what goes on at 2:30 at Yankee Stadium.

  141. 4time July 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    I think Nova would be of more interest to the Cards. Ground ball pitcher, younger and under control longer, more durable.

    At this point, Hughes is all wishful projection. He’s a couple subpar starts from probably losing his rotation spot, with no guarantee the Yanks will let him have a secured one next year.

  142. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    To my untrained eye Phil’s FB doesn’t have enough movement to get swings and misses, his cutter doesn’t have the velocity to get them and for whatever reason

    Your untrained eye managed to miss Hughes having like top 5 swing and miss rate on his fastball last year and one of the top rates for swing and miss on a cutter last year.

  143. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Here is the thing with the White Sox guys…..I have a hard time believing they are going to sell……thy are only 3 games back. I think they’d do a deal for say Rasmus, because he’d make their team better if for no other reason than it would get Rios off the field.

    I think all this talk of them blowing up the team is just a ploy to try and fire them up and.make them play better.

  144. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    The last time Duncan tried to tear apart a 4-seam strike out pitcher he couldn’t put him back together again. I think you need to give him the right ingredients. Pitchers that already pitch to contact and have substantial experience with the sinker/2-seamer. Hughes is a flyball guy, Duncan ain’t turning him into Pineiro or Marquis.

  145. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Cody Ransom got called up with the dbacks. Like Scranton west over there?

    ************************

    8)

  146. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    4time July 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    I think Nova would be of more interest to the Cards. Ground ball pitcher, younger and under control longer, more durable.

    At this point, Hughes is all wishful projection. He’s a couple subpar starts from probably losing his rotation spot, with no guarantee the Yanks will let him have a secured one next year.

    ——————-

    Rasmus – potential stud OF who hasn’t put it together – though he did have a good year last year.

    Hughes – potential top of the rotation starter who hasn’t put it together – though did have a good year last year.

    Both are 24

    Maybe the Yankees have to kick in a low level guy too – but I doubt it. I think the Cards would love to get their hands on someone with Phil’s upside and let Duncan work with him.

    Then again right now Hughes and Rasmus are both at the low end of their value and teams never like to move guys when their value is low.

  147. Melk Man July 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    White Sox have been the most underachieving team in baseball the past 3 years. Best talent overall in the division, always get off to bad starts, surge in June/July, buy at the deadline, then go in the tank in August. Like clockwork.

    I remember at the deadline a couple years ago when they got Peavy and swept us, they looked like a force to be reckoned with, then they played like 10 games under .500 the rest of the way.

  148. CompassRosy July 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I think Bedard will clear. He’s making (I think) $3.5 mil and has been hurt for a month.
    =========================================================

    Eric’s contract stats as per Cot’s….

    1 year/$1M (2011)
    re-signed by Seattle as a free agent 12/4/10 (non-guaranteed)
    $6.35M in performance bonuses

  149. blake July 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Chip,

    He’d probably have to change his arm angle……you make those changes with reclamation projects and old dudes like he often does…….Im not sure you trade Rasmus to take on a project and try to rework a pitcher like that…..

  150. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    To my untrained eye Phil’s FB doesn’t have enough movement to get swings and misses, his cutter doesn’t have the velocity to get them and for whatever reason

    Your untrained eye managed to miss Hughes having like top 5 swing and miss rate on his fastball last year and one of the top rates for swing and miss on a cutter last year.

    —————

    And it’s not there this year – if you can explain what’s wrong with him I’m all ears.

  151. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    And it’s not there this year – if you can explain what’s wrong with him I’m all ears.

    Life, good velocity. Did your untrained eye see a ton of movement on his fastball last year? I think it is something that really needs to be looked at over the rest of the season. Point to think about: 2007 (post injury)-2008 Hughes didnt have a swing and miss fastball, and he didn’t have his minor league fastball. It wasn’t until 2009 that he really got it going again like pre injury 2007. It might take time to get it back.

  152. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Halladay had to go all the way to A ball to rebuild his.delivery and change his arm angle to sink the ball and throw the way he does…….would the Cardinals trade there CFer so that Duncan could have a sinkerball project? I doubt it. Nova would fit what they like much better.

  153. Melk Man July 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    If both given a chance in the rotation, I would bet Hughes and Nova put up similar numbers. Hughes might look prettier doing it (better K/BB ratio, more dominant games but also more clunkers), but their ERAs would probably be very similar and Nova would probably log more innings.

    The problem with Hughes is that he never brings the same stuff to the mound every time out. He has games where he gets a good number of swings and misses on the FB, others (like CLE and OAK) where he gets none. Or games where his curve is a legit swing and miss pitch and others where it is loopy and he has no command of it or hitters are not fooled by it.
    And it’s not like he is progressing, his development just seems to be stagnant and gets interrupted by injuries. I wouldn’t mind selling low on him if we can get another guy low like Rasmus. Obviously, I’d have no issue putting him in the deal for a good starter either.

  154. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Scott Bittle, two time Yankee draftee with an amazing cutter (I was excited about him!), released by the Cards after being devastated by shoulder injuries. Yankees might wanna take a flyer. He apparently didnt get his velocity back but maybe stash him in Tampa or Charleston.

  155. Chambliss July 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Hughes just turned 25. He won 18 games last year and he was a dominant reliever the year before that. Injuries are a concern, but it seems awfully early to give up on him. He went from pitching 86 innings in 2009 to 176 innings in 2010. That’s a big jump, and it should not surprise anyone that he is having a bumpy year this year. I would include Hughes in a deal for a #2 pitcher, but not for a position player.

  156. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    JF-

    “It might take time to get it back.”

    I totally agree with this but do the Yankees have the patience ?

  157. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Chambliss July 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    Hughes just turned 25. He won 18 games last year and he was a dominant reliever the year before that. Injuries are a concern, but it seems awfully early to give up on him. He went from pitching 86 innings in 2009 to 176 innings in 2010. That’s a big jump, and it should not surprise anyone that he is having a bumpy year this year. I would include Hughes in a deal for a #2 pitcher, but not for a position player.

    —————

    It depends.

    If Cashman is confident in Banuelos and Betances and also believes that guys like Nova, Noesi, Phelps, Warren and Mitchell can be contributing pitchers – then I have no problem dealing Hughes for Rasmus as you would be dealing from a position of strength.

    Hughes this season is no better than Nova and guys like Banuelos and Betances match him in terms of upside…There’s not room for all of these guys on the team so might as well use one of them to improve your club elsewhere. A 24 year old RF who can be here for the next decade seems like a good use of resources.

  158. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Chip-

    Here’s a tantalizing thought.

    What would Long be able to do with a kid like Rasmus ?

    ;)

  159. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I would consider Hughes for Rasmus if it was a straight up deal…..but I would much rather not include him and im not sure the Cards would do that anyway.

  160. pat July 26th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    MikeVacc Isn’t th FCC supposed to protect its airwaves from the kind of pollution the Lupica Show emits on 1050 every day?

    Have no idea what Lupica said to get a current NY sportswriter to post that about his radio show but I’ve felt that way about his columns for years. :wink:

  161. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Chip-

    It kind of scary but you’re making a lot of sense today.

    I ALMOST find myself agreeing with you at times.

    Did you put something in my beer ?

    :)

  162. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    And it’s not there this year – if you can explain what’s wrong with him I’m all ears.

    Life, good velocity. Did your untrained eye see a ton of movement on his fastball last year? I think it is something that really needs to be looked at over the rest of the season. Point to think about: 2007 (post injury)-2008 Hughes didnt have a swing and miss fastball, and he didn’t have his minor league fastball. It wasn’t until 2009 that he really got it going again like pre injury 2007. It might take time to get it back.
    ——————

    Just my opinion:

    Moving Hughes doesn’t hurt the team this year.

    If the organization is confident that Banuelos and Betances will be the high end starters they’re projected to be and you feel like you can slot in a Phelps, Warren, Mitchell or Noesi into the back of the rotation next season then I don’t see the harm.

    Let’s say the Yankees did this deal.

    After this season they re-sign CC, even if they make no other FA signings the rotation is:

    CC
    AJ
    Nova
    Noesi
    Warren

    Does that have more questions than the current rotation? I don’t think so. And I think we can count on the Yankees doing more than just re-upping CC.

    And if they can’t add a pitcher through FA and they’ve got Rasmus they can pick up Swisher’s option and deal him for pitching too.

  163. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Joelsherman1 Feeling from execs is #Rockies want to find trade for Jimenez #Yankees, #Redsox #Reds calling. Surprise is #Bluejays kicked tires

    Joelsherman1 Remember Jimenez signed thru ’13 (’14 option goes away if traded) so non-contenders could be interested for future

    Joelsherman1 #Mets definitely off of A-list prospects, but have seen enough to believe going to get very good (not great) Beltran deal

  164. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    Chip-

    It kind of scary but you’re making a lot of sense today.

    I ALMOST find myself agreeing with you at times.

    Did you put something in my beer ?

    —————

    Alcohol. You were drinking that near beer crud again

  165. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I totally agree with this but do the Yankees have the patience ?

    I hope so? They certainly didn’t show it with Joba though. And they might not have that luxury. To stick with the YAnkees you really need dominate from the start, or else the Yankees look to replace you.

  166. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    Chip-

    Here’s a tantalizing thought.

    What would Long be able to do with a kid like Rasmus ?

    ————–

    Well I think just regular playing time, getting away from TLR and the short porch will be a huge boost for him

  167. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I hope the Blue Jays trade for Jimenez. Guaranteed his arm falls off if they do.

  168. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Chip July 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    How about this trade – it’s two players who are both seeing their value diminished right now:

    Hughes for Rasmus
    —————————————
    Chip-

    It might be best to ask that question later tomorrow afternoon after the game!! LOL

  169. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    JF-

    Exactly my point.

    Maybe this time will be different ?

  170. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    If the Rockies are really pushing to make a Ubaldo deal…..the obvious question is why? Are they afraid his value will drop? Is he making waves in the clubhouse?

  171. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Joelsherman1 Feeling from execs is #Rockies want to find trade for Jimenez #Yankees, #Redsox #Reds calling

    ************

    I do believe the Rockies will move him.

    The only thing stopping Ubaldo from becoming a Yankee is Billy Beane. If Beane jumps in aggressively to grab some young hitters from the Yankees for Gio Gonzalez, I think the Yankees would prefer that. I think it would be possible to land Gio and keep both Betances and Banuelos.

  172. RayVT July 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Chip!

    Sorry I was away! I concur with your trade if you just leave Brackman out. I know it may sound crazy, but Brackman has probably the highest upside of any Yankee Pitcher & probably the largest span for Downside to Upside as well. Just think Randy Johnson. Would you want to be the guy who traded him or kept him? I don’t think the Yanks are too concerned about Brackman yet, but I think they are hoping things start to click. It could be an almost overnight thing with him. If he could keep his windup & delivery consistent like last year, then the sky is the limit.

  173. RayVT July 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Chip is a sharp guy, but sometimes he likes to rankle the folks here!

  174. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I think Hughes for Rasmus makes a lot of sense – I think it would be easier to swallow if a subsiquent move was made for a pitcher.

    Let’s say the Yankees do work out a deal for Ubaldo that doesn’t impact this year’s rotation depth – say David Phelps and two position players (Romine and Nunez) then there’s no reason not to deal Hughes for Rasmus

  175. Melk Man July 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    JoelSherman1
    #Mets talking 2- and 3-prospect deals with #Rangers #Redsox #Giants,#Braves #Phillies and, yes, #Brewers keep calling, too

  176. tomingeorgia July 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Re: Brackman. How long did it take Big Unit to find himself?

  177. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    I hope the Blue Jays trade for Jimenez. Guaranteed his arm falls off if they do.
    —————————————————-
    Jimenez was at a pitchcount of 120 against the Braves when taken out in the 7th in a blowout of Atlanta and his fastball velocity was 91-92. Looks like the Rockies, in showcasing him, are doing a pretty good job of delivering a one-armed Ubaldo!!

  178. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Chip,

    There is no way a deal like that would get Ubaldo. If they really want to trade him then a lot of team will make good offers.

  179. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    RayVT July 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Chip is a sharp guy, but sometimes he likes to rankle the folks here!

    ——————-

    What can I tell you – the folks here are easily rankled.

  180. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Yankees are activated Chavez today, sending down Laird, plan to activate Soriano tomorrow. Scouts say Soriano throw 93mph in rehab

    Joelsherman1 But word was Soriano also was either pacing, saving himself or not overly interested — or is that just the usual #Yankees

  181. Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Chip,

    There is no way a deal like that would get Ubaldo. If they really want to trade him then a lot of team will make good offers.

    ———–

    Blake -

    The names don’t matter in that scenario. The point was essentially that it didn’t involve either Nova, Noesi or Warren.

  182. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    I think it would be possible to land Gio and keep both Betances and Banuelos.
    —————————————–

    Like you would say “Bump that shat.” :)

  183. Jerkface July 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    JeffPassan Jeff Passan
    by MikeFerrinSXM
    Grimmest evaluation from a scout this week: “Saw Brian Matusz’s last start. If I didn’t know who he was, I’d think he was an org guy.”

    Orioles prospects doing what Orioles prospects do best, bust hard

  184. RayVT July 26th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Chip July 26th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    LOL! How good is Rasmus really?

  185. Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Trader,

    The fact that they left him in there for 120 pitches in a blowout proves that they are aggressively showcasing him. They want to prove his arm can handle the stress. They want to prove that they are brave enough to push him in games. This display of courage indicates there are no hidden injury concerns about him and the Rox have no ulterior motives in trading him. They just want to improve their roster. It’s not like they’re advertising damaged goods. I think it’s obvious now that they want to move him.

  186. austinmac July 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Bichette was 4-4 today. He is, I believe, 12-14 in his last four games.

  187. Mell July 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Re: Brackman. How long did it take Big Unit to find himself?

    ==================================

    All-world at 29, but an above average, innings eating MLB pitcher at age 26-28 (sub 4 ERA all three years and 1 all-star appearance).

  188. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Chip is a sharp guy, but sometimes he likes to rankle the folks here!

    ——————-
    Chip-

    What can I tell you – the folks here are easily rankled
    —————————————-

    I don’t believe that for one minute- not that Chip isn’t a sharp guy, but that folks here are easily rankled. It all depends on the time of day you POST-RIGHT??

  189. ADam July 26th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    “Colon(2 year deal)”

    Put down the glass pipe

  190. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    After a bit of a slow start…..Dante is destroying the GCL.

    Trader,

    Ubaldo was also sitting 95-96 for.most of that game you’re talking about and was electric at times.

  191. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Ray-

    Chip keeps it interesting.

    At least that’s one way of putting it.

    He does drive some people nuts but that doesn’t affect me.

    I’m already there.

    :)

  192. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Joelsherman1 But word was Soriano also was either pacing, saving himself or not overly interested — or is that just the usual?
    ————————————–
    Erin-

    Answer D. All of the Above. My final answer.

  193. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I hate to say it but Brackmonster is a lot closer to being out of baseball than to Randy Johnson right now. He could get it back but he’s 25 with no real sustained success in the minors……he’s gettin very old for a guy not in the big leagues

  194. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Yankee Trader- yeah, I’d have to agree with you. ;)

  195. pat July 26th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Chavez right into the mix

    eboland11 And the lineup: Gardner 7, Jeter 6, Granderson 8, Teixeira 3, Cano 4, Swisher 9, Posada dh, Chavez 5, Cervelli 2

  196. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    The Orioles should trade us Britton before they ruin him too.

  197. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Trader,

    Ubaldo was also sitting 95-96 for.most of that game you’re talking about and was electric at times.
    —————————-
    Blake-
    Any idea why he was hit so hard by the Diamondbacks in his last start? Location, velocity, control. He did need 101 pitches in his 5 innings of work.

  198. austinmac July 26th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Personally, I love all the trade proposals. That is the fun of a blog. Chip, Bret and the rest, keep ‘em coming.

  199. Erin July 26th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    New Post w/lineup

    :arrow:

  200. MTU July 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Blake-

    Are you getting tired of trying to convince Trader of what’s obvious that Ubaldo is very good Pitcher ?

    I am.

    Trader. Blake and I will take him. You can pass if you like.

    ;)

  201. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    There is no real reason to play it safe with Chavez…..get as much as you can for as long as you can out of him……you cold be extra careful with him and he could get hurt cutting his toenails and be out for the season.

  202. tomingeorgia July 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Personally, I’d like to see one real trade go down, by anybody.

  203. blake July 26th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Trader,

    He just didn’t pitch well…..it happens.

  204. SoS July 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Forget Rasmus. Lets go after J.Upton. Give them an offer they cant refuse. What would it take?


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