Mariners get out of New York with a win
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2011 
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The Mariners losing streak was going to end eventually, but the Yankees were hoping it would last just one more day. Behind another strong start by Felix Hernandez, the Mariners finally beat the Yankees 9-2 this afternoon, ending their losing streak at 17 games. Phil Hughes took the loss, allowing just two runs but also giving up nine hits to the worst-hitting team in baseball. The bullpen — and the Yankees sloppy defense — let things get out of hand during a five-run seventh and a two-run ninth.
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Great now the questions will be about the defense instead of when will Nova replace Hughes.
Don’t trade Montero tia
So….is it the end of the world in here?
Great story about yesterday’s HOPE Week event:
AndrewMarchand Really nice and personal HOPE Week story from our own @KieranDarcy http://es.pn/nDuHIi
Jimenez is good, but he’s not great. He doesn’t warrant those type of prospects. He’s pitched to a 4.00+ ERA for a year, his velocity is down, and last night there were some alarming bleacher report #s posted about his abilities against winning/losing teams.
The guy is overrated, plain and simple
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Dan Haren:
Post ASB 2009: 4.62 ERA
Pre-Trade 2010: 4.60 ERA
Career ERA vs Teams WP .500+: 4.18
If Ulbaldo is so good why is he available? The Rockies don’t have great starting pitching and he is young and very cheap. It doesn’t make sense. I hope Cashman doesn’t do something stupid like trade one of the B’s or Montero for someone who isn’t on the Halladay or Lee level. It seems like the Rockies are trying to trade him now before he gets worse.
“If Ulbaldo is so good why is he available?”
Same logic was used for Haren last year. Arizona is in a weak, winnable division, need pitching, and have Haren on a cheap contract for the next couple of years. Haren was also much more of a proven commodity than Jimenez.
It was a longshot to beat Felix, but the Yankees had their chances today. Starting the 1st w/a walk by Gardner and having 2 guys on and not taking advantage of it hurt.
Hughes wasn’t magnificent. He wasn’t bad either. He was OK. 9 hits against the lineup is not good, but they all didn’t score and Gardner saved his bacon with that play to nail the runner at home.
I don’t think Hughes start really got the Yankees front office juices flowing, but he didn’t give the game up and gave them 6.
You get past this and get ready for Bucj’s Beanballs from Baltimore this weekend.
I don’t know what the Yankees do at this deadline. I don’t know how they include Montero in a deal for Ubaldo when the Reds have said their top 2 prospects are off limits in a deal for him, but I won’t be shocked to see Ubaldo on the Yankees by Monday.
Just curious, why was today a day game when both the Mariners and Yankees have tomorrow off? Aren’t the gates for evening games better?
YankeesInk Girardi says he thinks Hughes was “better” today. Got out of some jams. He feels 2 of last 3 starts were “pretty good”.
Ubaldo is available because by the time the Rockies are ready to become serious contenders (not just one and done in the ALDS) he will either be approaching or a free agent.
“I don’t think Hughes start really got the Yankees front office juices flowing, but he didn’t give the game up and gave them 6. ”
Are those the expectations for this guy these days? Sigh
YankeesInk Answering Kim’s excellent question about where he envisions Hughes slotting into rotation, Girardi says he’ll worry in playoffs.
A few thoughts:
1. The Braves traded for Wil Nieves. I always find it fascinating when a team picks up Wil Nieves because it reminds me of the Cashman quote about why he made the team once “he’s got a lot of energy behind the plate.” Never said the man had skills worth a darn, but he’s got energy.
2. Good job by the Mets holding firm and getting Wheeler
3. I was completely wrong – I thought Beltran would go for a mid level guy and Rasmus would take the high upside player to get. Unless you call Edwin Jackson “high upside” and think he’s going to be in St. Louis for a long time – I don’t get that deal at all.
4. Maybe getting the snot beaten out of you by the worst team in baseball will convince Cash that maybe he does need to make a move here.
5. Cubs called the Yankees and offered Zambrano – Yankees passed. Phew. That would have been a nightmare.
LGY….If the Yanks do acquire Ubaldo or Danks the odd guy out and according to a guy we all know and respect here says Phillip Hughes could be the guy heading to LGA to catch a flight
jacksquat July 27th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Just curious, why was today a day game when both the Mariners and Yankees have tomorrow off? Aren?t the gates for evening games better?
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No idea, but I’m sure the players like it-with no game ’til Friday night it’s almost like having 2 days off.
LGY,
Haren wasn’t pitching 4 miles an hour lower on the gun. His rate stats were basically the sames except for a huge home run rate plus the guy had a much longer track record then Ubaldo plus he has had American league success before
The Rockies have Ubaldo Jimenez on the market because he’s a one-of-a-kind commodity being the only legitimate frontline starter available. The scarcity of 1-2 starters inflates the value of Jimenez…so the Rockies are playing that. If just one or 2 GM’s make their 1-2 starter available this winter, it saturates the market. GM’s probably will strike in the winter because the free agent class is so deficient in front-end arms. I can see Billy Beane putting Gio Gonzalez on the market this winter. James Shields might be a big name at the winter meetings as well.
The Rox probably just really love Montero for his Coors swing.
Why now?
Now is the best time to maximize the talent coming along with Montero.
I said it earlier this morning, but I don’t think Hughes will put it back together this season. I think it’ll have to be next season. For now the best he really can do is gut it out. Six innings and two runs is acceptable in my book when you’re not at your best.
At most I give Betances + lesser prospects for Ubaldo.
No Montero or Banuelos.
If the Reds keep their top two prospects off the table then so should the Yankees.
And I’d be fine with not getting him at all.
Why do they even interview Girardi? He says the same for just about every pitcher:
Sabathia: “What more can you say? Hes incredible. Hes our horse. Tonight he threw the ball extremely well.”
Burnett: “AJ really battled out there today. I thought he had better stuff then the line showed. Bottom line is that he gave us a chance to win today.”
Colon and Garcia: “Bart/Freddy is a professional. Hes had success before and knows how to pitch/win. Of course I think he can continue to get guys out and help our club.”
Hughes: “We know what he can do. We just have to get him back to where he was last year. His stuff looked good today.”
jacksquat
Camp Day.
Players probably love it too because they get a full 2 days away from the stadium.
The way we talk about Hughes now is the way we talk about Burnett… congratulating him for NOT meting down LOL
Anyway, he’d obviously be the odd man out if we got someone, that is, if he isn’t in the trade himself. At this point, I’d prefer to deal Hughes over The big 3.
Triple,
I’m not trying to say Haren and Ubaldo is a perfect comparison. Just pointing out that sometimes you have to go beyond the basic stats for a snapshot in time and realize you have limited opportunities to acquire pitchers like Haren or Ubaldo.
As you know, I would have loved for the Yanks to get Haren last season. But they didn’t and Ubaldo is an extremely talented young pitcher.
Ubaldo is particularly attractive because of his salary. You can have CC-Ubaldo at the top and still be in the free agent market for a top notch SP in the coming years.
According to CBS sports, the only player the Yankees refuse to deal in a Jimenez trade is Manny Banuelos.
So you can say what you would do or not do until the cows come home but the Yankees are willing to trade Montero, Betances, Romine, Hughes, Nova…any of those guys.
Manny Banuelos will be wearing the pinstripes.
Also keep in mind that Ubaldo pitches in the toughest park in MLB.
What a messy game. Hard to believe Hughes’ outing could be considered good when he was facing to worst offensive team in baseball. Compared to CC’s dominance, I’m still worried about Hughes. Maybe it’s time to sell on him?
LGY….If the Yanks do acquire Ubaldo or Danks the odd guy out and according to a guy we all know and respect here says Phillip Hughes could be the guy heading to LGA to catch a flight
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Interesting Pat.
Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
The Rockies have Ubaldo Jimenez on the market because he’s a one-of-a-kind commodity being the only legitimate frontline starter available. The scarcity of 1-2 starters inflates the value of Jimenez…so the Rockies are playing that. If just one or 2 GM’s make their 1-2 starter available this winter, it saturates the market. GM’s probably will strike in the winter because the free agent class is so deficient in front-end arms. I can see Billy Beane putting Gio Gonzalez on the market this winter. James Shields might be a big name at the winter meetings as well.
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His value is inflated, so why play into that? Save the prospects for something better or let them pan out. He is not a legit #1 starter, he’s not a dependable pitcher. Maybe he will be one day, but if I’m Cashman, I’m not trading my top guys for someone like that.
I don’t think he should be trying to win the World Series at all costs. He should be doing what’s best for the future of the team so we can win more World Series down the line. Jimenez is too costly.
Ledger_Yankees “You never want to be that guy.” Hughes, on taking the L to end M’s streak.
Hughes should have to show a lot more than he did today to stay in the rotation. Especially considering they have Nova who was getting better with every start. 9 hits in 6 innings isn’t good and his stuff got worse in every inning. Like usual Girardi danced around every question about him. His stuff isn’t good enough right now to consistently pitch good in the AL East.
It’s not the Phil we’re used to, but he did keep them in the game.
I think everyone envisioned a Felix win with a Hughes implosion. I had a feeling Hughes would pitch good enough to win, which he did. But it wasn’t our game to win. One of those fubar games.
Need Boston to lose today. Go, KC.
Why does everyone have Banuelos as a keeper over Batances? I thought most thought Delin had better stuff than Manny. Is it all about Manny being a lefty?
Pat M.
If Hughes goes in that Ubaldo package instead of Nova I’d do backflips.
Montero + Hughes + Betances for Jimenez.
Waka Flocka,
I don’t think it’s Girardi’s job to publicly criticize his players. Why throw fuel on the flames on the NY media?
“So you can say what you would do or not do until the cows come home but the Yankees are willing to trade Montero, Betances, Romine, Hughes, Nova…any of those guys.”
Yeah, but they might only be willing to trade one of those guys in any deal, and by all accounts the Rockies are looking for 3-4 of those prospects.
Why does everyone have Banuelos as a keeper over Batances? I thought most thought Delin had better stuff than Manny. Is it all about Manny being a lefty?
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Lefties that throw 92 with bomb change up and curve is rare.
Ledger_Yankees Hughes says he understands the consequences of not pitching well. Nova appears to be in line to throw Saturday. May push for spot.
Arod, where are you ?
Take Jiminez out of Coors Field and hes a beast.
Ubaldo 2009-2010:
439.2 innings, 3.17 ERA, 148 ERA+
Yanks have taken Manny Banuelos off the table:
“The Yankees have basically declared top prospect Manuel Banuelos off-limits in talks, but they have enough depth that they could put together an attractive package without him.”
http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbs.....6/30884925
RadioKev,
yeah i don’t expect him to come out and say guys suck but his reactions to performances are basically worth nothing to me. i think i have seen him break the mold once and that was when Hughes was pitching awful at the beginning of the year.
LGY….If the Yanks do acquire Ubaldo or Danks the odd guy out and according to a guy we all know and respect here says Phillip Hughes could be the guy heading to LGA to catch a flight
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Interesting.
Is it the yanks looking to move him or the prospective team seeking him?
I’m a Nova/Noesi guy myself.
If Nova pitches good on Saturday the Yanks have some thinking to do. They can’t keep defending Hughes without seeing the results. His perfromance today would of been good if he was facing the Sox or Rangers but not the pathetic Mariners.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi doesn’t think of the sun affected Granderson; might have just been a misread.
“Is it all about Manny being a lefty?”
That, and he’s 3 years younger
The 148 ERA+ is astonishing.
Bad tasting loss. Can the Yankees please just Todd Logan now?
Toss Logan. Not Todd.
sunny615 July 27th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Bad tasting loss. Can the Yankees please just Todd Logan now?
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Who? LOL
SI_JonHeyman
cards turned down niemann and howell for rasmus, reports @JoeStrauss
I don’t know if I would do Betances and Montero in the deal. I would offer them Nova and either Betances and Romine or Phelps and Montero.
# mick July 27th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
would love to see nova throw lights out this saturday
force their hand…
with mariners and a’s, the west (angels or rangers) can make a run at the wild card easily.
so bob lorenz knows the angels minor league system is stacked!!!!!!!!!!!
interesting since that is totally untrue. these guys talk sh-t with no clue….
hughes was better at 22 then at 25. no diea why. his stuff is #5 starter type.. no idea why.. he is big and strong but 93 max on fastball for 2 innings…
MONTERO IS A STUD HITTER. newsflash this offense is not that great and will not improve appreciably for next year……
if st louis declined niemann and howell for rasmus st louis ar fools..
rasmus is 24 so you cannot give up on that talent level yet… upton is older and has had a really hard time with strikeouts and that is no longer a trend but a reality…
Betances is 20 years old, throws 97-98 with a plus curve and change and is on the verge of pitching in the Bronx
You trade that for King Felix, not for a guy with jerky mechanics who walks 5 guys per 9 in the NL West with an inconsistent resume.
Trade Hughes before you trade Betances. Hell, trade Hughes before you trade any of the Big 3 for Burnett part 2.
I just read Knobler’s article “O’Dowd is said to want three or four players in return for Jimenez, and it’s thought that some combination of Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, Dellin Betances, Ivan Nova or Phil Hughes could convince the Rockies to make a deal.
I’m not sure he means a combination of three or four of the guys listed above, or maybe two of the guys above and another couple of players.
If I could send Hughes, Romine, Phelps and Adams out there I would certainly do that in a second.
Jimenez has held his K and BB rates steady. He has thrown between 200-220 IP for the last three years, excellent ERA+ for the last two. There are no sure things in life but maybe the dip is a good time to buy. Who are the Yank starters going to be next year? Can we get by Texas and Boston this year without a #2? Neither B is kicking butt right now. When will the Yanks let either B get to 200 IP? Montero is coming on but can he be the Yank DH long term with ARod in the wings? I think I do the deal.
I would sign up for a deal where we traded Hughes and were able to keep Montero, Betances and Banuelos for a front line-ish pitcher in a heartbeat.
I just don’t think Hughes, Romine, Nova, etc. gets you one.
Hughes is not a good fit for Colorado IMO.
If you got to keep Montero and Banuelos and the Rockies took Hughes & Betances plus Romine for Ubaldo, do you do it?
I do.
G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
If you got to keep Montero and Banuelos and the Rockies took Hughes & Betances plus Romine for Ubaldo, do you do it?
I do.
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Sure.
Wave Your Hat July 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Hughes is not a good fit for Colorado IMO.
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Thankfully you’re not Dan O’Dowd….or are you?
CC
Ubaldo
Hamels
AJ
Manny
in 2013
Hughes in Coors? I don’t think so. The Rockies will insist on Montero, one B and change.
I think Hughes takes the place of Nova in that package, not the other guys.
When the Rox said they didn’t want Montero as the centerpiece, they were gunning for Manny.
Now that Manny is off the table, Montero is next in line.
So pencil in Montero.
That’s not enough because they want at least 3 guys including 1 who can pitch in their rotation right away.
That’s where Hughes comes in.
The ML ready pitcher they want is one of Nova or Hughes.
The Yankees could try to get the deal formed around Montero + Hughes.
But that’s still just 2 top young talents when the Rox want 3.
I think Betances could be the third.
You can’t add in Romine because you need a catcher if you have to base the package on Montero.
You can’t add in any scrap because the Rox want 3 top young talents.
That means no Noesi, Phelps or any of the other B prospects fans want to pawn off.
Hughes as the third piece works for me if you’re giving up Montero + Betances.
Im not.gonna get bent out of shape over today……I mean there is a reason that everyone wants Felix right…..he’s really good.
Hughes just doesn’t look right…..might be time to let him work out his issues at the minor league level.
Why in earth would the Cards rather have Jackson than Niemann?
Bret-
Good analysis, but I think that Cash decides Ubaldo is not worth giving up those guys.
CC
Ubaldo
Hamels
AJ
Manny
in 2013
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You forgot CJ Wilson.
Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Hughes as the third piece works for me if you’re giving up Montero + Betances.
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Wow…glad you’re not Cashman!
Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
In Seattle, fans have swarmed Pike Place Market, where they’re dousing one another with iced macchiatos to celebrate.
Another good start from Hughes, well on his road to recovering the touch and feel necessary to be a consistant pitcher.
Didn’t the Yankee’s get swept on a West Coast trip the last time they won a world series? Something tells me that Cashman isn’t going to jump the shark because of one loss to the Mariners in July.
In 2009 the Yankees lost 4 games to Baltimore (worst in the AL), and 2 to Washington (worst int he NL and still managed to salvage the season SOMEHOW.
Relax.
I actually think Montero, Betances and Hughes is way too much believe it or not. I don’t think any club can give up a package close to that. The Reds/Red Sox certainly can’t even approach it. Especially since the Reds took their top 2 prospects off the table and the Red Sox would have to trade Bucholtz to even get close to it.
That’s an overpay in my eyes.
Could Felix’s arm be ready to fall off? His velocity was down around 93 today.
blake July 27th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Why in earth would the Cards rather have Jackson than Niemann?
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The offense today doesn’t annoy me – the bullpen did.
As for why Jackson over Niemann – I guess the Cards figure they can keep Jackson long term. He’s “probably” a better pitcher than Niemann and they are in a playoff race.
I Don’t think the Rockies would want Hughes…..he’s a terrible fit for that park.
Chad, in his pre-season evaluation of the team’s starters, picked Hughes to win 14 or fewer games because “I don’t think he’ll walk into as many wins as he did last year.”
And I’ve been on the record here as saying that I thought last year was a fluke; that Hughes did not pitch like an 18-game winner. For example, there’s no comparison between what he did last year and the late, lamented CMW did in his two 19-win seasons.
Today Hughes allowed ten baserunners (nine hits and a walk) in six innings – that’s not going to result in only two runs on most days, especially in the AL East.
I don’t envy Cashman’s choices – keep going with Hughes, who has not yet shown that he can pitch this year; replace him with Nova, who is untested; or give up some real prospects for a new starter.
I hate to say it but for the right starter (not Ubaldo!) I would go with the latter at this point. Then hold Nova back to either replace Hughes if he still struggles, or fill in for Garcia or Colon if they run out of gas.
G. Love,
Even though Montero, Betances, Nova sounds more favorable to the Yankees than Montero, Betances, Hughes, it could go either way.
It boils down to a debate of who you want to keep.
Nova or Hughes?
Chip,
Jackson is a FA after this season……either way I can’t believe they sold so low on Rasmus…..just a terrible trade for the Cardinals. Even if they wanted to ship him out they coukd have gotten way more this winter.
Who the Hell is Davidoff shilling for and what is he smoking? Stumping for Beltran in the HOF, but says Bernie Williams and Andruw Jones isn’t worthy.
Blake,
First off, Hughes would be the third piece in the deal, the ML ready starter who can step into the Rockies rotation.
Although Coors presents a challenge, Hughes could pitch well in the rest of the parks in that division. He could be an Ian Kennedy or Jeff Karstens for the Rockies outside of Coors.
The key is, they wanted Manny and they can’t have him.
The package most likely is built on Montero but you gotta have 3 TOP guys in there.
Would you prefer to send out Montero + Betances + Nova?
It’s close.
The next big trade could be Heath Bell to the Rangers in a package including Robbie Erlin
I’m glad we’ve decided to visualize Hughes’ success in ballparks that aren’t ours.
Bret,
Im not.sure Id do Montero and Betances only…….probably wouldn’t …..and I wouldn’t add Hughes on top of that for sure. A package around Betances would be my limit for Ubaldo……their hurry to.trade Ubaldo worries me.
everyone thinks hitters like montero are dime a dozen. i cannot understand that.
the guy is 21, he can mash plain and simple… give him up like those guys grow on trees.
jorge 220′s, our catchers offensively horrific, and you give up a guy who can hit 280 + with power for the next 10 yeARS……
also betances is not 20 he is much older…….
Bret,
Based on what Cincy is claiming about their top 2 guys being off limits and Chapman being off limits, I think Montero should not be in the deal.
I’d offer Betances, Hughes or Nova and Romine and some lesser guys and let that offer stand.
I think giving up Montero when your chief known competition for the player is taking their top C prospect off the table is bad negotiating. I also know the Red Sox can’t offer anything close to Montero in their offer.
Betances, Hughes or Nova, Romine, Adams or that Corban Joseph kid and 1 more low level guy should be a very competitive offer.
At this point the Rockies have to trade him. Pulling him back now is a major risk.
Edwin Jackson yielded Colby Rasmus.
That should give us all a firm grasp on how much starting pitchers are worth. Even mid-rotation pitching is just so rare right now, let alone top arms like Ubaldo.
I’ve said the Yankees could choose to shop Burnett in the winter because of how weak the FA class is. There will be only 2 years left on his contract. Now I don’t think the Yankees will move him even if they add Ubaldo…but they can if they want to.
That’s how valuable pitchers are – even mid rotation guys like Burnett.
The Rockies want 3 top prospects for Ubaldo.
If Cashman wants to bring in a sidekick for CC, that’s what it could take.
LGY…….Our friend and I hate to mention this here was told that Young Master Hughes didn’t exactly come to camp in the best of shape to put it mildly and it pissed off the suits….This comes from a person who is well respected and as knowledgable as anyybody here……The question would be, do you send him off in a trade or send his tail down to AAA for an extended peroid of time……His talent and upside is still highly regarded in every GM’s office, just maybe not as much in his own GM’s……I didn’t hear this last night from my golfing buddy in So. Cal….
“Edwin Jackson yielded Colby Rasmus.”
And the Cards are being killed by everyone on his dumb that trade was. 3 months from now.they will have traded him.for nothing.
Pat M,
Who would Hughes go for?
G. Love,
You can’t base the package on the Rox other options whether in Cincy or anywhere else right now. You have to meet their demands for 3 top young talents or else they will keep him.
I’m basing my package on the 4 prospects the Rockies originally demanded.
Montero + Betances + Nova + Manny.
Take out Manny. He’s off the table.
That leaves you with Montero + Betances + Nova or
Montero + Betances + Hughes.
Anthopolis is gonna have the Jays a contender and soon…..he’s making good deal after good deal and the Jays have more cash to spend than the Rays do.
hitman your dreaming. aj has 2 years and 30 mill on his deal. he is untradeable.. the guy is 34 and a career loser… no one will take him off the yankees hands..
also this fantasy that ubaldo is some stud is not true.
betances and either hughes or nova and romine ( a major league catcher) for him….again a overpay.
jimenez is not worth 3 major leaguers 2 with big upside and 23 or younger…..
Betances, Romine, Nova is my limit for Ubaldo.
9 hits and 2 runs? Eh – not bad, but mostly because he was facing the M’s. I don’t think we’re going to get much out of Hughes this year, to be honest – we really need another pitcher. Think Rockies can sniff desperation from a couple of thousand miles away?
Thanks for the info Pat. Good stuff.
Blake, I think that’s fair and that’s all I would do as well.
I think you guys are dreaming about Hughes in a Jimenez deal. Maybe a three-way where Hughes goes somewhere else, but I don’t think he’s what the Rockies want.
I’ve said the Yankees could choose to shop Burnett in the winter because of how weak the FA class is. There will be only 2 years left on his contract. Now I don’t think the Yankees will move him even if they add Ubaldo…but they can if they want to.
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Burnett is worth even less in this depressed run scoring environment than he was before.
You can get Burnett-level production or better for a fraction of the price. Just look at how many pitchers have sub 4 ERAs.
Pat M
As someone that has followed Hugh’s for some time I would guess you are disappointed he hasn’t made more progress.
Has he also not been as forthcoming when he’s had an injury?
blake,
Mine too. When you look at the potential packages other teams can put together I don’t see how another org tops that one.
I’m not against dealing prospects, but I am against us paying a stupid Yankee tax. We fund the little sisters of the poor of the league already. We don’t need to pay them extra in talent.
Betances, Hughes or Nova and Romine is my opinion a very good offer for Colorado. The Reds and Red Sox can’t put together anything like it.
The Tigers would have to give up Porcello to match it.
If that can’t get it done, then I would walk away because the Yankees are being forced to pay extra.
Wave,
I don’t either…..Nova would be a much better fit at Coors.
Blake,
Romine is not one of the 4 players the Rockies named.
It was Manny + Montero + Betances + Nova.
I’m speculating that the Yankees have three options here in these negotiations:
#1) Trade Montero + Betances + Nova for Ubaldo Jimenez
#2) Trade Montero + Betances + Hughes for Ubaldo Jimenez
#3) Hug the prospects, pass on Ubaldo and try to trade for an upgrade over Colon in a pitching thin market where EJAX garnered Colby Rasmus.
posada saw 5 pitches in 4 ab’s today and cano miste rpatience saw 12 pitches today… 3 per ab for robinson superstar cano. i laugh that people think he is a superstar, he is not….he is a good hitter especially for 2b that is it…..
last week kay mentioned hall of fame, what is he smoking……..
“Betances, Hughes or Nova and Romine is my opinion a very good offer for Colorado.”
No way they give up Ubaldo’s contract for that.
I just don’t see why the Rockies would want Hughes. At this point, he’s not got much trade value – for anyteam, but for a team that plays it’s home games in a HR park?
There is no way you put him in the pen – and it’s not like the pen is a place where miracles occur on a daily basis. It’s not going to magically improve his stuff/life nor help him get easier outs with 2 strikes. The only real options are to send him down for the rest of the year or to try and ride it out……….
If Betances + Hughes/Nova + Romine is Cash’s top offer, the Rox are keeping Ubaldo. He’s worth more than that. 148 ERA+
C’mon now.
G love,
Those things and Id be concerned enough because of how anxious they are to deal him….to not include Montero. Usually when you see teams get this deep into the rumors without stamping them out they intent on trading the player……my question is why?
Bret,
Then id let them keep him and revisit this winter.
I think the people on this blog are way smarter about baseball than the average baseball fan.
So I find it curious in the least and dumbfounding at most that so many people here think Ubaldo Jimenez is worth trading ANYONE for, let alone the packages mentioned here.
He had a spectacular year last year, but throw that out and he’s 37-37 with a near 4.00 ERA. including 6-9, 4.20 this year. Plus, it’s not like he’s a kid, like Banuelos, Betances, etc. – he’s 27.
Even if you allow for pitching at Coors, and give him his due for a career 8.2 SO/9, don’t forget you’d be asking him to switch leagues – in the middle of a pennant race!
I’ll pass.