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Posada at first, Nunez at third for finale

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Rafael Soriano is not listed as an available reliever.

Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Russell Martin C
Jorge Posada 1B
Eduardo Nunez 3B

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196 Responses to “Posada at first, Nunez at third for finale”

  1. justinxdance27 July 27th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    well it looks like Montero is starting his 2nd half tear again.

  2. teddy9000 July 27th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    why is teix dhing again

  3. DocTodd July 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Montero? Who??

  4. bruceb July 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Now that’s what I call a lineup…just need Huuuuuuuuuughes to do the business now because Seattle will be thinking this is their big chance to end the losing streak.

  5. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    good day, eh, Comet :)

  6. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Never a bad idea to DH a 30+ guy day game after night game if you have options.

    Last post on last thread:

    The problem facing Cashman is this — Colon and Garcia are having better seasons than Ubaldo Jimenez. Thus you are giving up 3-4 prime prospects and you have to figure out what to do with Phil Hughes.

    Colon and Garcia, ironically have made Jimenez less valuable to the Yanks.

    I’d rather add Thornton and Beltran, which should take less talent in terms of prospects and more clearly make the Yanks a better team.

  7. ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Rafael Soriano is not listed as an available reliever.

    Must be saving him for the Baltimore series and the DH on Sunday

  8. 108 stitches July 27th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    The 7/31 trading deadline has become an overhyped / speculative event fueled by rumors from the likes of Heyman, Olney, Gammons, Rosenthal, Stark, Sherman et al to justify their jobs.
    Since the ‘roid era has ended, few players can be difference makers from teams looking for a wealth of another team’s best talent. Much the same with the winter meetings when names are thrown around in lobbys and hotel rooms only to see most GM’s go home empty handed.

  9. blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    I think the Yanks need to scrap this idea of splitting time between Chavez and Nunez…..Chavez is better especially as a defender at 3B and he could get hurt again at any time…..get what you can out of him while you can. I understand today I guess as he’s played several games in a row…..Im more talking about moving forward.

  10. austinmac July 27th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    I sure would like the Yankees to have home field in the playoffs. All their potential opponents are much better at home. I hope they don’t do the failed concept of accepting the wild card.

  11. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Matt_Fortuna Joe Girardi says the #Yankees won’t activate Rafael Soriano today.

  12. sunny615 July 27th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Funniest trade in ML history:

    Twins Trade Dave Winfield to the Indians for Dinner

    Yes, you read that correctly. A player who amassed over 3,000 hits in his career was traded for a dinner. At the 1994 trade deadline the Minnesota Twins sent Dave Winfield to the Cleveland Indians for a player to be named later.

    Winfield never played a game for the Indians because the rest of the season was canceled because of the player’s strike. No player was ever named later.

    To settle the deal, the Indians executives took the Twins executives out to dinner and paid the bill.

  13. heyman_sux July 27th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    86w183 – Good points, but would you be more comfortable with a postseason rotation including Ubaldo, or sweaty Freddy? You might say Freddy – that’s fine – but I think more people would say Ubaldo

  14. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    nice litmus test for hughes today
    if he cant get by the hapless M’s he has serious problems

  15. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    86w183 – Good points, but would you be more comfortable with a postseason rotation including Ubaldo, or sweaty Freddy? You might say Freddy – that’s fine – but I think more people would say Ubaldo
    ================
    all depends who freddy is facing

  16. Against All Odds July 27th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I would be surprised if Hughes gets lit up today

  17. sunny615 July 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    BloggingBombers Soriano will not be activated today. Yankees will return him from the DL on Friday.

  18. comet July 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    It is indeed Kate. Have missed you of late. Today’s game on Rogers Sports Net. Do you get that?

  19. comet July 27th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    MTU J.P. Morgan sees gold hitting $1800.00 by Q4 of this year. I’m thinking $2000. next year.

  20. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    fine except i may have started chavez vs. felix.

    If Hughes gets ‘lit up’, what are the chances he doesn’t make another start this year, other than in Scranton?

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    108 stitches July 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    The 7/31 trading deadline has become an overhyped / speculative event fueled by rumors from the likes of Heyman, Olney, Gammons, Rosenthal, Stark, Sherman et al to justify their jobs.

    *************

    Stuff and nonsense said the queen.

  22. comet July 27th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Gold : ^_^

  23. comet July 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    That should have been smiley eyes.

  24. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Danks, Floyd also on market.
    ___

    White Sox are cleaning house….
    Wouldn’t mind either of them.

  25. heyman_sux July 27th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    all depends who freddy is facing
    *********

    You mean, opposing starter or lineup? Despite his performace, I’m terrified of seeing Freddy go up against the Rangers and Red Sox

  26. Melk Man July 27th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Ken_Rosenthal

    Sources: #WhiteSox in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline

    Nice

  27. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Finesse pitchers generally have it tougher in cold weather, so I would rather send Ubaldo out there. My point is giving up 3-4 stud prospects for a guy with a lower ERA than what you currently have in hand doesn’t look good.

    Now if they can make a deal that’s reasonable and send Hughes to the pen for the remainder of the season, I can live with that. But I’d still rather trust the pitching on hand and use resources to add a RF or DH plus Thornton for the pen

  28. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am
    Danks, Floyd also on market.
    ___

    White Sox are cleaning house?.
    Wouldn?t mind either of them.

    ******************

    I’d be fine w/that also, but if it means White Sox guy will be coming over to my desk and screaming at me on a daily basis, then forget it. ;)

  29. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I was wondering why Chavez, who has face Hernandez before, wasn’t playing until I looked this up:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-hernandez

  30. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Take it for what’s it’s worth. Makes more sense than anything read on here.

    “Ubaldo Jimenez Rumors: Wednesday
    By Tim Dierkes [July 27, 2011 at 8:39am CST]
    Yesterday’s Ubaldo Jimenez info: about seven teams are in on him, but the Yankees and Reds are best-positioned to make a deal if the Rockies are as motivated as has been reported. So far, the Rockies’ asking price of “three sure-thing young players, including one pitcher who goes into their rotation immediately” has not dropped. The latest:

    •As of yesterday, the Reds were the most motivated Jimenez suitor and the Red Sox were more seriously inquiring than the Yankees, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Still, the Rockies appear amenable to doing a Jimenez deal for three of these Yankee youngsters: Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Jesus Montero, and Ivan Nova. The Yankees, however, are hesistant to even include two. Ownership is not pushing Yankees GM Brian Cashman to make a deadline splash, writes Sherman, and the front office is more focused on relievers.”

  31. heyman_sux July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    86w183 – Agreed

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Backtracking here from last thread and YT’s posting of Sherman piece. Whether true or not (and I take it all with a grain of salt) this is somewhat reassuring from the article:

    “Nevertheless, even ownership is not pushing for Cashman to make a splash at this deadline, so if the price does not fall on Jimenez — and the Rockies promise it will not — then he either is going elsewhere or staying in Colorado.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1TJdzkZ2Q

    The “price falling” to me means none of the Big Three or Sanchez. Any of those guys involved & I’m not interested.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Look out for the Red Sux. Too quiet.

  34. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    You mean, opposing starter or lineup? Despite his performace, I’m terrified of seeing Freddy go up against the Rangers and Red Sox
    =======================
    Better against the Rangers then the more disciplined Red Sox.

  35. heyman_sux July 27th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I wonder if ownership is not pushing Cash because of the failure of their most recent push (huge contract for Soriano). Maybe they learned to let their GM do his job?

  36. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Comet
    We get YES. Unfortunately I am at work, but we have a TV in our conference room and I can take peeks now and then…and if it is a good game, I can watch the encore tonight.

  37. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    GlennGiangrande Despite Felix’ dominance, some #Yankees hit him well – Jeter (.346 AVG), Cano (.320, 2 HR), Granderson (.316, 4 XBH)…25+ AB each

  38. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Phil Highes is in an unwinnable situation with this board and the nedia today. If he pitches 7 innings and gives up 3 runs and loses, he’s a bum and if he shuts the Mariners down, “ya, but, it means zippo. Look who he was facing.”

  39. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    ***media***

  40. ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Look out for the Red Sux. Too quiet.””

    Don’t worry about them…
    The Sawks dont have anything to trade… The only reason the Rox are saying they are involved is in hopes that Randy Levine gets an itchy trigger finger after hearing that and sells the farm for Ubaldo.

  41. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Levine wants Cash out.
    Hal likes Cash.
    Cash could walk away after this season.
    Then Levine wins.

  42. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Phil Highes is in an unwinnable situation with this board and the nedia today. If he pitches 7 innings and gives up 3 runs and loses, he’s a bum
    =================
    Disagree. A quality start will be fine.

  43. Mell July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Mariner lineup:

    Suzuki
    Ryan
    Ackley
    Smoak
    Kennedy
    Carp
    Gutierrez
    Cust
    Bard

  44. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Erin:

    I had just posted Yankee stats facing Hernandez when wondering why Chavez wasn’t in, having faced him before.

    Attached:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-hernandez

  45. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    GB-I was thinking the exact same thing about Hughes this morning.

  46. Against All Odds July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    # GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Phil Highes is in an unwinnable situation with this board and the nedia today. If he pitches 7 innings and gives up 3 runs and loses, he’s a bum and if he shuts the Mariners down, “ya, but, it means zippo. Look who he was facing.”

    ———————————

    That won’t happen if he does well they will give him credit for rebounding off of a bad start.

  47. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    BryanHoch Sounds like you can forget about Pedro Feliciano. Girardi, the eternal optimist, not hopeful for his return.

  48. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Why do the Yankees still get treated as a team who lands big guys in trades during the season? If anything the Phillies and Red Sox have morphed into the Yankees.

  49. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    You will need a canoe to get to today’s game due to water main break.

  50. Melk Man July 27th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    “Phil Highes is in an unwinnable situation with this board and the nedia today. If he pitches 7 innings and gives up 3 runs and loses, he’s a bum and if he shuts the Mariners down, “ya, but, it means zippo. Look who he was facing.””

    When the team is as futile as the Mariners, that is the way it should be

  51. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    If anything the Phillies and Red Sox have morphed into the Yankees.
    =============================
    Why wouldn’t they want to emulate the model for success?

  52. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Jesus Montero, and Ivan Nova.
    ___

    Yankees should definitely try to get Nova in there with something. I don’t want to trade Montero or Manny (or Betances), but i dont see the stranglehold on Nova.

  53. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Oh, sorry YT-I must have missed your link! Thanks-and that definitely explains why there’s no Chavez. ;)

  54. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Erin-

    Tex hitting .313 with 4 homers, Swisher .216 with 4 homers.

  55. SAS July 27th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Comet,

    Nice to “see” you. I don’t post here much anymore. Hope all is well with you and yours.

    ===============================================

    I am probably alone in my thing, but I don’t want Jiminez He isn’t having a terrific year, and he will be very expensive. At this point this year, I don’t want King Felix either. If either player does end up on the Yankees, I would like to see him after he has worked with Rothschild. JMO

  56. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I agree that a strong performance will be viewed somewhat through the prism of quality of competition, but not too much. Look at how CC was lauded for dominating this God-awful lineup.

    If Phil gives the Yanks a quality start I, for one will be quite pleased. If he does not, then a trip to the pen or Scranton may be in order.

  57. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    why play chavez back to back games, day after night…

  58. Mell July 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Phil Highes is in an unwinnable situation with this board and the nedia today. If he pitches 7 innings and gives up 3 runs and loses, he’s a bum and if he shuts the Mariners down, “ya, but, it means zippo. Look who he was facing.”

    ================================

    Probably some truth in this. As I see it, the result isn’t nearly as important for Hughes as how the ball is coming out of his hand. Almost rather see him lose a 3-2 game while sitting at 92-93 with some life than I would seeing what we saw against Oakland and win 13-7.

    Further, Neither Hughes nor the Yankees give a rat’s rump about what the media or fans think.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Look out for the Red Sux. Too quiet.””

    Don’t worry about them…The Sawks dont have anything to trade… The only reason the Rox are saying they are involved is in hopes that Randy Levine gets an itchy trigger finger after hearing that and sells the farm for Ubaldo.

    **********

    The Sux have plenty to trade. People like to say that here but it’s not true.

  60. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    The “stranglehold” on Nova probably has to do with him being a major league pitcher right now who has pitched well this season and can step into anyone’s rotation tomorrow.

  61. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    GB-

    I asked this earlier. If Banuelos were a righty, between Betances and him which should be more untouchable?

  62. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    hughes has to prove himself, he is being given the rope to either hang himself or succeed, this will take a little time and today is a litmus test, they will make the playoffs with or w/out him, just not sure yet if he will pitch in them…

  63. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Who gives a fig about the Red Sox?

    You tend to live longer and grow fewer gray hairs when you aren’t constantly worried about the Red Sox.

  64. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    The “stranglehold” on Nova probably has to do with him being a major league pitcher right now who has pitched well this season and can step into anyone’s rotation tomorrow.

    ___

    Agreed, but to not want to add him in a trade for a ‘bigger’ pitcher is the question. I actually like Nova, but i don’t agree that he should be off limits (NOR DO I WANT UBALDO).

    Would rather have Danks of Floyd, but i really want for Gio (but i know that wont happen)

  65. Yanks78 July 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Phillies, via trade over the past 3 seasons, have acquired Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Blanton. 3 aces and an above average starter. Crazy. Granted, Halladay was an off-season deal, but still impressive.

    And this year they are in the hunt for Beltran, Adams, Bell. Where do they keep getting these chips from?

  66. blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    I don’t know why the White Sox would really sell as they are only 4 games out….but they do weird things sometimes.

    If I could get Danks and keep Montero and Banuelos then Id much rather do that then include one of them or both for Ubaldo.

  67. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    I asked this earlier. If Banuelos were a righty, between Betances and him which should be more untouchable?

    ____

    Probably Betances, but Manny isnt a righty and lefties go a long way.

  68. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Erin,

    He’s made 3 starts. The first one was pretty decent, though he lost. First start after missing 3 months. Good 2nd start and the last one wasn’t good at all. People on here burned him on two and were mixed on the third. He could pitch a Sabathia game and it won’t change a thing. Look at the whining over last year. All that’s remembered is the last part. People want him gone and bring in someone like Jiminez, who’s not having a season as good as Hughes had last season. Starting pitching is a want…not a need. For this year at least, I’d trust Colon over any pitcher on the market. Not sure that I’d put money on him for next season, but, this year, yes. Garcia, though, is a tough sell. I think that he’s a pitcher that needs to be spotted well,,,against strictly young, fastball, agressive hitters. Junkballers frustrate though kind of teams.

  69. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    The Sux have plenty to trade. People like to say that here but it?s not true.

    Like the 12 year olds they have in single A? More guys based on hype and hype alone. Seen that movie before. Hope San Diego is happy with their “haul” they got. Another poor yea for Kelly and Rizzo lasted a whole 1 month up here

  70. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Yanks78,

    and they gave up next to nothing for them. They even managed to keep Dom Brown. Imagine the Yankees getting Halladay,Lee and Oswalt and being able to keep Montero

  71. 108 stitches July 27th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Phil Hughes needs to forget who he’s pitching against today. Full concentration and throwing a quality start is all he needs to do. Nibble away at King Felix for runs. Arms are available in the bullpen with tomorrow an off day.

    A poor outing by Hughes and this board gets lit up with those wanting Nova back.

  72. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am
    GB-

    I asked this earlier. If Banuelos were a righty, between Betances and him which should be more untouchable?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    In that situation, I’d keep Betances. Banuelos is sort of a right handed version of a young Mussina. He’s not going to be Ron Guidry, but, as a left hander, he’s going to be good. Really, though, he’s more hope and prayer because he’s so young.

  73. blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    SI_JonHeyman 3 mins #astros want very top pitching prospect for pence. #phillies trying hard. Most believe hunter stays. #tradedeadlin.I

    Anybody do Betances for Pence straight up? I don’t know if I would but Pence is a good player and is cheap through 2013. Plays really hard….not a great player but a really good big league regular.

  74. mick July 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    CC-Colon-AJ-Freddy for the playoffs is my prediction.
    What Hughes and Nova do might impact the regular season where the wild card is a certainty with or without them.

  75. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Who gives a fig about the Red Sox? You tend to live longer and grow fewer gray hairs when you aren’t constantly worried about the Red Sox.

    ******************

    The majority of Yankee fans care about the Sux. It’s the year in and year out competition, the mutual dislike, the smack talk, the intensity of it all, that makes being a Yankee fan better than it would be without it. That carries over to trades and free agent signings, draft picks and development.

  76. blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Banuelos throws 92-95 with 2 plus secondary pitches as a 20 year old……there aren’t many guys in the big leagues that do that from the left side. He’s got a chance to be special …..

  77. blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    SI_JonHeyman 49 secs #yankees tried for nolasco. They were told #marlins not ready to deal him. Fla aiming at ’12 w/ new stadium #tradedeadline

  78. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    White Sox are 4.5 games out of the central. I guess Kenny Williams figures the WS will lose it’s current games against the Tigers and the month ending series at home against the Red Sox.

    Dangling Jackson, Danks, Floyd, Thornton,Quentin. If rumors are true Jackson might be headed to the Jays for Frasor and a prospect. If so Danks and Floyd probably don’t get traded.

    Is there another team out there with 3 high cost contracts of dead wood than the WS?-Dunn, Rios, and Peavy?

  79. ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Look out for the Red Sux. Too quiet.””

    Don’t worry about them…The Sawks dont have anything to trade… The only reason the Rox are saying they are involved is in hopes that Randy Levine gets an itchy trigger finger after hearing that and sells the farm for Ubaldo.

    **********

    The Sux have plenty to trade. People like to say that here but it’s not true.”

    Give me names?????

  80. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Banuelos is sort of a right handed version of a young Mussina.

    ***left handed version of a young Mussina***

  81. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Yankee Trader,

    I was just about to post that rumor about the availability of Danks and Floyd.

    If Danks is available, I believe he is DEFINITELY the guy the Yankees should go for.

    He would presumably come at a lower cost than Ubaldo and, IMHO, is more durable and has higher upside going forward.

    MAKE THIS DEAL CASH! Nova and Montero? Take it!

  82. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Brandon League said that he likes it in SEA and doesn’t want to be traded. What is it with these guys wanting to stay with bad teams? Don’t they want to win? Why are you playing the game if you don’t want to win?

  83. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Blake, people forgot how hard Mussina threw when he first came up. He was a steady 94-95.

  84. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Leaugue isn’t going to close for any team other than bad ones

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    ADam July 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Give me names?????

    *************

    Me and many others have done that here many, many times. Not doing it again. Look at their forty man and their minor league system; especially below AAA and you’ll figure it out.

  86. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    ADam,

    Middlebrooks and Fuentes are the names the fanboys like to throw around

  87. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Gb7,

    If Banuelos turns into a left handed Mussina that would be awesome…..he’s a borderline HOFer

  88. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for Danks…..too close to free agency and he’s not a guy you can pencil in to just shut a team down in a playoff game. I would rather have him and keep Montero though than Ubaldo and no Montero if that were possible.

  89. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    A Yankee-related Entertainment Break

    early review of the new Charlie’s Angels reboot w/Minka

    http://www.tvline.com/2011/07/.....mpression/

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    …If that’s correct, about management not pushing for a splash, then something has changed.

    Cashman has either convinced management that the top guys can’t be sacrificed, or the anxieties over UJ’s potential volatility have been persuasive in themselves. Or perhaps a combination. Or it could all be BS :D.

    Hey Yankeee brass, it must occur to you by now that nothing is a guarantee. That your move to acquire an “innings eater” to “lock down” the rotation last year was actually the big unnecessary risk, given that Vizcaino is:
    on the cusp of entering the Braves’ bullpen,
    was sitting at No. 17 on BA’s top 50 list last time I looked,
    was hitting 101 mph
    & has stuff that made a scout gush is better than Teheran’s, the Braves’ other untouchable arm who is sitting pretty at No. 4 overall. The Braves now consider Vizcaino “untouchable” too, if you believe the reports.

    Vizcaino was spun over & over & over again as a scrawny kid, years away, who was injury prone (aren’t all pitchers?? what happened to Vazquez’ velocity?? Could it have been all those innings he pitched BEFORE he came back? All those innings he was supposed to provide for us??). We would never even miss him.

    It’s the same rhetoric I’m hearing from people now. Eerily similar. Now, Unbaldo is the sure thing, & Betances will probably “never realize” his ceiling, and Montero will likely “never make it” at catcher, etc. (I’ll give them this, at least Ubaldo is young & has greater ability than Vazquez).

    Vazquez was a “veteran” presence they had to have, instead of letting Joba loose on the rotation finally without innings restrictions. No, that was too much of a “risk” for the Yankees, who must have guarantees & who have learned nothing from the Bumgarner Giants, or even their low-rent offense which slapped “sure thing” Cliff Lee all over the ballpark in the World Series, Lee, whose two months they thought was worth maybe 10 years of Montero’s bat, even though Alex turns 36 years old today…

    Vazquez, the all important arm that would secure the postseason rotation, effectively cost the Yankees TWO young arms. Joba, for all intents & purposes, as a young starter who was going to take that next step, and Vizcaino. Melky Cabrera, the forgotten man in the deal, is still shy of his 27th birthday & is having a career year.

    …….
    At least Vizcaino was in A ball at the time.

    These guys, Betances, Banuelos & Montero are practically on the doorstep of 161st & River, & yet there is a clamor from some fans to deal them off to “guarantee” No. 28.

    Except, there is no such thing.

  91. ET July 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Much rather go after Danks than Ubaldo.

  92. comet July 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Erin any idea whatever happened to Uncle Ellsworth? Miss his humour.

  93. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    SI_JonHeyman 49 secs #yankees tried for nolasco. They were told #marlins not ready to deal him. Fla aiming at ’12 w/ new stadium #tradedeadline
    ———————————————–
    Maybe the Marlins want to see his next start on Sunday to see if they get the 7/20 game against the Padres 1.1 inings gave up 9 earned runs, or the 7/26 game against the Nats 5.2 innings gave up 2 earned runs.

  94. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Blake, I’m only comparing him as a very mature young pitcher. I’d love to see it, not, that’s a tall order. Very good fastball and an assortment of very good off-spead pitches and control is what I was really comparing.

  95. mick July 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    These guys, Betances, Banuelos & Montero are practically on the doorstep of 161st & River, & yet there is a clamor from some fans to deal them off to “guarantee” No. 28.

    Except, there is no such thing.
    ======================
    well said.

  96. Vineyard Yankee July 27th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    blake July 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    How about Nova for Pence ? In a heartbeat I say. Pence could be a RF fixture for many years.

  97. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    For Danks, Maybe Romine, Phelps or Warren and Joseph or Adams if they add Thorton, who is getting some age on him. Possibly Parrraz or Mesa.

  98. SAS July 27th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Comet,

    A lot of people don’t post here anymore, including me most of the time.

  99. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    comet July 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am
    Erin any idea whatever happened to Uncle Ellsworth? Miss his humour.

    ******************

    Comet, unfortunately no. I miss Uncle E :(

  100. spidanyc July 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Yankees should look into acquiring both Danks and Ubaldo. Trade Colon and Garcia while their value is pretty high right now for prospects and use those prospects along with Nova, Noesi, Corban Joseph, Eduardo Nunez, Brandon Laird, Adam Warren, JR Murphy etc to land our future #2 and #3 starters.

  101. ADam July 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Middlebrooks and Fuentes are the names the fanboys like to throw around

    I know of those guys.. Part of the Gammons “these guys will change baseball as we know it” machine.

    Iglesias is there only A+ prospect, and he’s not going anywhere

  102. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 27th, 2011 at 11:00 am
    Yankee Trader,

    I was just about to post that rumor about the availability of Danks and Floyd.

    If Danks is available, I believe he is DEFINITELY the guy the Yankees should go for.

    He would presumably come at a lower cost than Ubaldo and, IMHO, is more durable and has higher upside going forward
    ——————————–
    I don’t know about more durable-Danks recently came off the DL for that highly contageous injury-the dreaded oblique strain.

    Also Jackson looks like the 1st pitcher of their current 6 starters to go. Unless they get a ML ready starter do they trade Danks or Floyd with Buehrle becoming a FA and Peavy always on the DL?

  103. Shame Spencer July 27th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Son of a monkey’s uncle I forgot today was an afternoon game…

  104. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Yankees offensive numbers against Hernandez

    http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1

  105. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    GB,

    Gotcha.

  106. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Matt Thornton was at one time the best set-up pitcher in the AL. He’ll turn 35 in 2 months. Look at his career split stats against righties and lefties and then at his 2011 split stats. he has been pithing better as of late in the set-up role, then before as a closer.

    Both Danks and Thornton in one trade would certainly provide the Yankees with a nice balance of lefties and righties.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....e=Pitching

  107. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Yankees Dating back to May 19, CC Sabathia is 12-2 in 14 starts. Over these 14 starts, he has a 2.06 ERA, and has struck out 106 while walking 24.

  108. Against All Odds July 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Vazquez was a “veteran” presence they had to have, instead of letting Joba loose on the rotation finally without innings restrictions

    Vazquez, the all important arm that would secure the postseason rotation, effectively cost the Yankees TWO young arms. Joba, for all intents & purposes, as a young starter who was going to take that next step,

    ———————————-

    Still paying for that mistake when it comes to Joba.

  109. CompassRosy July 27th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Leaugue isn’t going to close for any team other than bad ones
    ===============

    To be fair, Brandon is only the M’s closer right now because Aardsma had hip surgery in the off season. Aarsma was was on track to come back in May, till he came up with arm issues. He had TJ surgery last Friday.

    Anyhow, as bad as the M’s record is, just think how much worse it could be without Brandon’s 23 saves. Yeah, he had a rough patch back in early May, but bounced back well. Since Vargas has fallen off the map, he may be one of the M’s only trade chips.

  110. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    So the Rockies would take Montero + Betances + Nova right now but the Yankees don’t are reluctant to include 2 of those 4 prospects (Montero/Banuelos/Betances/Nova)?

    There must be some middle ground.

    Replace Nova with Noesi. Noesi could step into an NL rotation right now. He’s an ML-ready starter.

    Give them a choice between these 2 packages:

    Montero + Banuelos + Noesi

    Montero + Betances + Nova

  111. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    So it comes back to the same old argument; Keep all the little gumdrops in the system and dream of the day they all parade around the field with their homegrown patches sewn into their uniform or look at the present team that is playing it’s tail off and give them the pieces that the GM did not give them in the off season to win a title.

    Prospect huggers never change. They’re not interested in the team that’s on the field. They’re interested in the team that’s in their heads.

    This Yankee team is 2 games out of 1st and if they acquire a front line starting pitcher would be the team to beat in the post season. It would make them stronger and give them a better chance at winning. They are doing it right now with 2 reclamation projects, well really 3 if you count Hughes, in the rotation at the moment.

    There’s 3 weaknesses on this team; high end starting pitcher, DH and a LH reliever. If the Yankees addressed those 3 weaknesses at the deadline you’re looking at a different team than we’re looking at today.

    How many prospects come up and flame out? Too many. And I’ll lash myself over Arodys Vizcaino when he’s actually in the majors living up to his promise. Last I looked he’s still in the minors. At the time he was traded the Yankees got a guy who appeared to be at the top of his game, still young. They also traded for him because they didn’t believe in Joba as a starter. Whatever Joba did behind the scenes to make the Yankees doubt him is what caused the team to trade for Vazquez. A top prospect making the team not believe him as a starter cost you your precious prospect that’s now in the Braves. Think about that one for a second.

    But let’s keep all the little gumdrops and send this team into the post season with CC and Colon and pray for rain. We won a title w/3 starters in 2009. I’m sure we can win a title with 2, right?

    And while I’d love to see Montero get a chance here I’m not going to fall to pieces if he’s the piece that we need to deal to get the starter that this team can’t develop on their own. If you haven’t noticed, the pitchers with high expectations from the minor leagues do horrible when they get here and the guys with no hype turn into something useful.

    A lot of you make the Yankees trying to win now be this ugly bad thing., They’re trying to win while Mo still has his magic, while CC is dominant, while Jeter still has something left in his bat.

    I don’t understand how you’re Yankee fans. You’re prospect fans.

    Yankee fans want to win this season because the team plays hard and also to make sure the Red Sox and Cliff Lee and the Phils aren’t the one’s raising the flag when it’s all said and done.

    If a top tier starter costs a couple of highly rated prospects, so be it. If the front office decides the price to get one is too high I can respect that. If we get to keep’em all? Fabulous. But sitting at your computer acting like you know these guys at AA and AAA are all sure things? That’s a bet you’ll lose every time.

    And for the record, if one of the very overhyped prospects walks out on the mound today and gets his lunch handed to him by the M’s, then prepare for yourself for prospects to get dealt by Sunday. There’s a ton riding on this start in more ways than one.

  112. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Chisox trading Floyd or Danks would be just plain goofy. Jackson is definitely the guy to go.

    Betances and Banuelos are hardly on the doorstep of 161st and River Avenue. Montero is, but the others are having good, not great seasons in AA ball.

    Nova for Pence would be hard to turn down. Noesi might be better and there’s no OF coming up through the system anytime soon.Pence in RF, Swish at DH and Jorge as a pinch hitter is a better situation for the Yanks.

  113. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Bret The Hitman,

    Yanks don’t want to trade either of the killer B’s.

    Montero,Nova plus 2 others they prob do

  114. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    I was supposed to go to today’s game, but got bogged down with work. Hoping to see Hughes pitch well. And Felix well enough to lose. ;)

    RE: Ubaldo. Cash should hold the line with the A prospects. One is one too many. Hopefully, no one “from above” pulls a last minute “desperation” act.

    ManBan pitches tonight against uber-sinker ball Indians’ prospect Joe Gardner.

  115. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    For Danks, Maybe Romine, Phelps or Warren and Joseph or Adams if they add Thornton, who is getting some age on him. Possibly Parrraz or Mesa.
    ——————————————
    Now that would make me berry, berry, happy!

    A 26 yo lefty, after a month layoff comes back to pitch 7 shutout, 5 hit innings, 1 walk, 6 punchouts.
    And a non-LOOGY lefty quality reliever so I don’t have to see a call-up of Flores or Romero

  116. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Yankees CC has fanned at least 8 in 7 straight starts. Since 1920, that streak ties Guidry (1978) and Mussina (2003) for the longest by a Yankee.

    ESPNJoeyMac Source: Sox are out on Beltran sweepstakes. Giants now frontrunners. Mets deal with Rangers fell thru #trades

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    G. Love,

    Good think you weren’t in charge of the team in the 90′s.

    Whether we get Ubaldo or not the Red Sox still reamin the team to beat in the playoffs. Their hitting is much better and more consistent then ours and they have a better one two punch in their rotation.

  118. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Yes, let’s by all means trade any and every prospect, because after all each one is the same as the next one. There is no differentiation in terms of talent or projection. None at all. Banuelos = Marquez. Makes sense to me. :roll:

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Ubaldo isn’t on your team.

    He’s on the team “in your head” ;).

  120. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    86w183,

    Montero should not merely be on the doorstep, but already inside the house. ;)

  121. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I think Cash should give the Rox a choice between:

    A) Montero + Banuelos + Noesi

    vs.

    B) Montero + Betances + Nova

    If they choose (A) then we get to keep Betances and Nova.

    If they choose (B) then we get to keep Manny Banuelos.

    Instead of Montero we still have Martin/Cervelli to bridge the gap to Romine, Sanchez, Murphy.

    This potential Ubaldo deal is just the kind of deal Cashman must make. He’s dealing from a position of strength. He has to preserve as much depth as possible while still meeting the Rockies demands.

    I think they would choose option (B) and we’d still have Manny Banuelos + Sanchez + Romine + Murphy and Ubaldo Jimenez instead of Dellin Betances.

    Montero is gone either way so I won’t even attempt to keep him out of it.

    You can’t go from 3 to 1 major prospect and expect to pull off the trade that we need to give this team a better chance to advance deeper into the post season.

    The Rox probably won’t even lower from 3 to 2.

    So you offer them 3 and keep your best arm (Banuelos).

    If they want Banuelos then we get to keep Betances and Nova.

  122. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    or the *House* (capital “H”)

  123. RayVT July 27th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Totally agree!

  124. Shame Spencer July 27th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    “Banuelos = Marquez.”

    Hehehehehehehehe… thanks feminista! I needed a laugh this morning..

  125. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Shame, glad to provide it. :)

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Yes, let’s by all means trade any and every prospect, because after all each one is the same as the next one. There is no differentiation in terms of talent or projection. None at all. Banuelos = Marquez. Makes sense to me.
    ////

    Let’s go run the team as the “real” Yankee fans see fit. Let’s just toss all our little gummy bears to teams who actually consider them prospects who can become, y’know, actual players.

    The “real” Yankee fan isn’t dumb enough to actually believe the team has any idea how to turn gummy bears into MLB talent, he wants everyone else’s players because other teams are so much better at player development than we are. Every “real” Yankee fan knows that.

  127. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Jackson told he has been dealt. So what the trade is we shall see, assume to the Jays

    Yankees tried for Nolasco according to MLBTR

  128. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Triple,

    What you guys seemed to all forget about in the 90′s is the team was aggressive in promoting Jeter, Pettitte, Mo, etc. They also all played well and showed promise at the major league level when they were promoted. There was no need to trade them. The team evaluated their talent at a very high level and knew who to keep and who to let go.

    This front office who drafted all these little darlings is terrified of promoting their best prospects now. They keep them hidden in the minors to not lose trade value. The team looks at them more as trade chips than as potential pieces who will help this team win.

    Again, if Cano and Wang were bad when they got promoted they wouldn’t have been here. They lasted because when they got their shot, they produced.

    Now, the front office won’t even give guys shots. They instead go get Bryan Gordon than give a shot to a guy in their own system.

    Either they think their prospects aren’t ready for prime time or they think they are just trade chips who lose significant value when they come up to the majors and don’t perform well.

    I trust the team. This team wins more trades than loses them. And for all the people crying about Ian Kennedy, I say look at our CF who is about to have 30 HR’s before August.

    I trust the team to evaluate properly who they should get and who they should keep and who is worth holding onto. They’re right far more times than they are wrong.

    If they go get a top starter that costs some top prospects, it’s not because of impatient fans. It’s because they think it’s the right move to win.

  129. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 9:42 am
    Again latest MLBTR’s post:

    Yesterday, Reds GM Walt Jocketty explained to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer, “There are guys I will not trade. I will not give you names. But they’re are certainly guys I will not trade.” Today Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports has two of those prospects’ names: catcher Devin Mesoraco, and shortstop Billy Hamilton (Twitter link).

    Fay is under the reasonable belief that Aroldis Chapman is also off-limits. Would the Reds still have enough to pull off a deal for Ubaldo Jimenez? They could assemble an offer around prospects Yonder Alonso and Yasmani Grandal, plus pitchers Homer Bailey and Travis Wood.

    Early predictions:
    Jimenez stays in NL either not traded or traded to the Reds
    Beltran waives his NTC and stays in NL-traded to Giants.
    Wandy Rodriguez to the Blue Jays for Brett Cecil. Jays get lots of $$$$$.
    ——————

    Posted this earlier today. Now Jays rumored to trade for Edwin Jackson. Is anyone out there going to relieve the Astros of Wandy Rodriguez??

  130. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Bret,

    Noesi is better than Nova……and I wouldn’t trade Banuelos in the deal at all and certainly nit along with Montero.

    G. LOVE

    You’re posts are always entertaining

  131. Vineyard Yankee July 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    There is a sense of entitlement here than anybody and everybody wants to and will become a Yankee. It doesn’t work that way contrary to popular belief here.

  132. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Rosy no matter what happens today it’s always a pleasure having you.

    Saw your post. Sorry about Hasselback.

  133. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Mlbradio reporting that Jackson seen shaking hands in ChiSox lockerroom…..probably heading to Canada.

  134. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Blake,

    Nova has more trade value than Noesi.

    We talked about that yesterday.

  135. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Yankees will probably wait it out like last year.

    Maybe they can get Danks or Buerhle or someone along those lines for a reasonable price, pick up a bullpen arm and maybe a hitter while keeping the key prospects intact.

    I would love a play for Rasmus with one of the catching prospects for us. Young stud type of guy, a bit of attitude that might be tied to Cards directly. If you are uncertain of Montero ever catching here and isn’t good enough for another position have to look at that. Swisher probably gone at some point soon, a lot of money saved there by plugging a Rasmus out there as a replacement.

  136. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Betances and Banuelos are hardly on the doorstep of 161st and River Avenue. Montero is, but the others are having good, not great seasons in AA ball.
    ///

    They represent the most intriguing combination of elite talent & proximity to the majors the system has to offer. Betances, for example, has climbed in the rankings in part because he’s nearing his MLB arrival.

    Their 2nd halves will tell us more if they can arrive in 2012, as projected. They both have had stretches where everything’s going right, as well as the less positive outings.

  137. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I guess Soriano has not been activated yet. They may want Rothschild/Girardi to see him throw a bullpen first. Garrison lives another day!

    I’d be quite content to see how Nova, Noesi et al develop the rest of this year and next.

    Ubaldo intrigues me. King Felix excites me

  138. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Blake,

    Why do you think Nova is one of the 4 prospects the Rockies originally asked for and not Noesi?

  139. ET July 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Buster_ESPN
    Source: Cardinals continue to talk about Rasmus deals with TOR, other teams. Rival executives say he is very much available.

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays.

  140. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    10:44am: Money appears to be the only holdup in a trade that would send Jackson to the Cardinals and Rasmus to the Blue Jays, tweets Rosenthal. An exchange of more than $1MM awaits approval, and of course the Cards will get more than just Jackson for Rasmus.

  141. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    If the Jays can move a bullpen guy and Jackson for Rasmus

    wouldn’t a package of Nova and a lesser guy land Rasmus?

    Would you do that if they could secure a starter elsewhere?

  142. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    If Rasmus could be had for Edwin Jackson then that’s a price level Cash should have been in on.

  143. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    A rental for Rasmus?

    Wow, what a coup for Kenny W.

  144. ET July 27th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Just because the prospects survive the deadline, doesn’t mean they are safe. As Cashman has showed, the winter is when he makes his moves.

    More players available, more time to negotiate, better idea of overall team needs, etc.

  145. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Phranchise – I had the same thought. One holdup might be that Cash and the scouts hold Rasmus in less esteem than some others.

  146. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Betances ceiling is along the lines of what Jiminez already does. I have no issues including him. Banuelos, a lefty, should be untradeable, however, especially given the enviroment of the Red Sox guys locked up for years being lefties. Age, potential, velocity, mound presence. Even if Manny is two years away, he has to be untradeable.

  147. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Bret,

    He may have more trade value because he’s already started but id rather keep Noesi.

  148. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Yes I would move Nova for Rasmus. That’s the whole reason why I’d prefer to keep Nova out of the Jimenez deal.

  149. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Vineyard Yankee,

    Yea now everyone wants to become a Red Sox

  150. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I suspect Jason Frasor+prospect will be going to the Cardinals who need another starter and a reliever. Sure hope Berkman’s MRI on his right shoulder is OK today

  151. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Jackson sucks and he’s almost a free agent……if the Cards do that the are crazy

  152. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Betances and Bauelos will both be unable to throw 200 innings next year so projecting their place in the Yankee rotation in 2012 is foolish.

    The Yankees will be forced to go sign and find starters to cover the rotation next year because those 2 aren’t ready to be full season starting pitchers yet.

    You don’t plan your team around question marks. You plan your team around what you think are sure things.

    The Yankees will have to find starters to cover the rotation for next year and beyond. They cannot be their whole future on 2 arms at AA.

    And by the way, it used to be 3 arms but one of the 3 Killer B’s suddenly and shockingly became an F this season

    I’m not saying the Yankees should trade them for trash. I’m just saying that the rotation going into next season cannot have them both in it because neither of them are physically (or probably mentally) ready to pitch a full season in the majors.

  153. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I guess, but Rasmus has all the tools, size, maybe he never pans out to superstar, but in Yankees stadium with that swing, he is 30+ homers in his sleep. Also makes this team younger and more cost efficient going forward for a middle of the lineup bat.

  154. ZMAN July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Looks like Williams finally made a good move.

    We were talking about Hughes, Nova, etc. for Rasmus and they get him for an AJ Burnett clone with 2 months left on his deal?

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    It’s amazing how many tools the two kids have & how sophisticated they are. Betances, when he wasn’t locating his high heat recently, switched to a 2-seamer to complement his breaking stuff & was just a machine with it. I think there’s a real disconnect on Betances in particular, that he’s Andrew Brackman or in danger of becoming Daniel Cabrera. This is just utter nonsense. He can get out of whack at times but he can also get fixed in a hurry. He’s a big guy, but he knows how to pitch & he has shown he can adjust his own delivery in-game. Betances also is effective against LHB. I’m not going to worry about his size being his downfall, like some of the “experts.” You don’t even hear that much anymore, because there are guys like Pillere with a more balanced understanding of where is is now, not two years ago.

  156. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Joe,

    Another holdup could be the Yankees are trapped between suitors for Nova. In one trade, the Yanks see him gone in a package for Ubaldo. In the other, they see him going for Rasmus.

    Perhaps the Yankees prefer him going in the package for Ubaldo.

  157. stuart a July 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    where is rasmus playing for the yanks??? their outfield is set…..

    the value people on this site put on yankee prospects is ridiculously low…

    i sell the farm for king felix and that is it…..else the yansk are not making any significant moves… nova is 24 and is a more then serviceable starter. i think he is better then burnett today……

  158. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    stuart you think alot of things, luckily we tend to ignore them.

  159. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    It is ironic, that winning is associated with trading top prospects. It is exactly the opposite of what Cashman actually wants to do. Cashman is wise enough to know that a strong farm, and retaining your top chips builds a winning team. If the Yankees make a stupid move, it won’t be to help the team long term but to appease the owners. See, Soriano, which epitomizes the difference between Cash’s philosophy and the owners who will destroy the team if they are allowed to. Cash knows the game nowadays demands developing your own. Teams are more and more keeping their own prospects. To make a knee-jerk move not only doesn’t guarantee winning it is anathema to winning. Unless it is a big haul, and young to boot, wasting Montero et al on a #2 or a question mark, makes no sense at all. Especially when that #2 guarantees n-o-t-h-i-n-g. & moreso when what we really need is a consistent bat that provides both average and power. Not just in the regular season when pitching is erratic, but in the playoffs when the lesser hitters go hitless. Montero is that bat. Think very carefully Yankees before you unwisely waste him.

  160. fantasygame101 July 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    this is a 50/50 game. 50/50 which yankees offense will show up, the good or the bad? 50/50 which hughes show up, the good or the bad? what is the chance that the good offense and the good hughes show up?

  161. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    If nothing is happening this deadline, why visit the blog just to tell the rest of us that nothing is going on. It’s like waltzing into a party and saying that there is no party tonight. Ok, fine, no party. Why did you show up then? Go home. Have a nice night. Thanks for stopping by. We’ll still be here when all the nothing is over and done with.

  162. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    A rental for Rasmus?

    Wow, what a coup for Kenny W.

    ————————
    Only that Rasmus in the deal is repotedly going to the Jays. Will have to wait to see if the WS are getting much more than salary relief.

  163. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    blake,

    Thanks. I love stirring the pot with the prospect huggers. It entertains me endlessly.

  164. Mell July 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    the value people on this site put on yankee prospects is ridiculously low

    ==========================

    Really? Seems quite the opposite.

  165. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Bret – yes. I like Ivan Nova, I think he will have a successul ML career. But, for a deal that can bring you that type of reward, you have to go for it.

  166. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Rasmus is playing in the OF and DH Swisher while benching Posada. 0

    2012 there is an option on Swisher they can buyout at $1 mill. They could also pick it up and trade him. Also Posada is gone so DH spot is there especially if they end up dealing Montero away. Andruw Jones will be gone so you have your 4 OFers. Plus OF in the minors, we don’t have anyone close that can be plugged in in the near future unless you want to resiugn Swisher for a bigger deal when he is 31-32 years old.

  167. blake July 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    If the Cards trade Rasmus for what’s being rumored then man that’s really selling low on a guy with his talent and team control.

  168. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I like the line-up. Obvious Chavez was not going to play two consecutive games.
    Giving Tex a 1/2 day off is fine.
    Martin back behind the dish. I hope he can call a great game for Hughes.
    Big start for Hughes. He needs to learn from C.C. last night.

  169. Chambliss July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    G. Love, I hear ya. Yankee fans cannot have their cake and eat it too. If they want to keep all of their prospects, they need to prepare for a few years of not making the postseason. Building a team 100% via free agency will not work, even if you have the resources that the Yankees have. If you want a team that competes for the World Series title every year, you have to make sacrifices, and those sacrifices include giving up good prospects.

    Personally, I would like to see the Yankees keep Montero because he is still so young and catcher is a key position. But if he has to go to get a #2 or #3 starter, so be it.

    I remember being disappointed when the traded Austin Jackson and Phil Coke for Granderson, and in the long run that could be a good deal for the Tigers, but Granderson is having an MVP type season after fixing his swing with Kevin Long. Sure, Granderson could have been a bust, but that’s the point. You have to take a chance when you want to improve your team via trade, particularly when you are the Yankees and you have several good pitching prospects and at least two very good catching prospects in your organization.

  170. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    KenDavidoff Alan Nero, Felix Hernandez’s agent, says, “There’s a better chance (Felix) will be struck by lightning” than traded this week. #Mariners

  171. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Jackson has been moved around more than the pass key at a cheap hotel.

    Always seems to be trade bait.

  172. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    A Rasmus move is less about now and more about down the road. Plus since teams don’t value Montero as a catcher, Rasmus is just as valuable in a trade although he actually has a position he can play. So helps no and down the road either as a core piece or trade peice at that price.

  173. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    blake,

    I think other teams value Edwin Jackson a lot more than we do. He is still 27. That said, the deal makes no sense for the Cards. They’re dumping Rasmus for a pitcher who is a rental. I have a feeling this is the Cardinals version of the Swisher trade to us and the Kazmir trade to TB way back when where the front office is letting personality drive the move.

  174. ZMAN July 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “Really? Seems quite the opposite.”

    Yup – as evident by people thinking we can get Danks for Romine, Phelps, and Adams.

  175. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    New Post w/Pregame notes

    :arrow:

  176. 86w183 July 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Well, some people over-sell prospects and some under-sell them.

    That’s not only true on this blog; it’s true on every fan blog on the planet. It’s also true of every front office as well. Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder, be it a view, a celebrity or a baseball player.

    some here have longed for Colby Rasmus and/or David DeJesus… others don’t.

    I’ve long (2-3 years) considered Ty Wigginton the perfect fit for this team, others disagree.

    That’s show biz

  177. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    G Love, the AA pitchers will be up soon enough. Why are you going to waste them just because they aren’t yet ready. That is not how you run a farm. However, you have AAA pitchers who are ready to contribute at the back end of the rotation. If one of Betances, Banuelos comes up at some point next year, then you have another arm that you start working in to the rotation. You still have Nova/Noesi at the back end. And an available group of FA’s in 2012 if you need to fill in here and there.

  178. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    This Rasmus issue reminds me of what went on with Kemp for a while between atttiude and return vs. talent. Sometimes you have to remember just like Montero sulking, these guys are in their early to mid twenties. Cano took a while to really flourish and mature. Just happens. But you can never teach skill and talent. You can develop and nurture attitude and development. On this team a young player will strive with the quality the Yankees do have to set a precedent.

  179. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Reported on the radio that the Rays offered Niemann or Wade for Rasmus. If they are selling low on Cards then not checking in on that is an opportunity missed IMO.

  180. Mell July 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    If the Cards trade Rasmus for what’s being rumored then man that’s really selling low on a guy with his talent and team control

    ===========================

    Be a nice little coup for Alex A up in Ontario.

  181. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    G. Love-

    Can’t keep ‘em all. Can’t trade ‘em all.

    Sure you agree the secret is knowing which ones to move and when.

    Finding that proper balance. Not easy. Keep on calling it the way you see it and the others should do the same.

    ;)

  182. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Trader,

    To Blue Jays: Colby Rasmus

    To Cardinals: E Jax + Teahan + blue Jays prospect

    To White Sox: Frasor + prospect

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    etances and Bauelos will both be unable to throw 200 innings next year so projecting their place in the Yankee rotation in 2012 is foolish.

    The Yankees will be forced to go sign and find starters to cover the rotation next year because those 2 aren’t ready to be full season starting pitchers yet.
    ///

    yea that’s why you have guys like Noesi & general depth in your system. Of course they’re not going to throw 200 innings. So your solution is to get rid of them rather than start their path to getting built up, in the interest of not having to go out & find starters? OK.

    Here’s a question for you: if top-rated pitching prospects like Betances & Banuelos are just little Gummy Bears doing the SugarPlum jig in all our little starry-eyed heads, why are the “real” shakers peddling “real” talent insisting on those little Gummy Bears as exchange, & why is our GM longing to keep them?

    The games I go to are littered with MLB scouts who apparently have the same little Gummy Bear complex we all suffer from.

  184. jpb173 July 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Brandon League said that he likes it in SEA and doesn’t want to be traded. What is it with these guys wanting to stay with bad teams? Don’t they want to win? Why are you playing the game if you don’t want to win?

    ================================================

    Some guys don’t really like the PRESSURE of having to win. In League’s case he can make a nice chunk of change in Seattle every year and know that his October is free time to go back to Hawaii.

    It takes a special person to want to come to NYC and subject himself to the pressure of having to be a winner. Those folks are few and far between.

  185. Vineyard Yankee July 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Rasmus is playing in the OF and DH Swisher while benching Posada. 0

    =============

    One step beyond, Pence or Rasmus in RF. Swisher to DH,. Posada to the bench. Increases the rotation at DH makes the lineup deeper and improves the OF defense in RF.

    Nova or Noesi and a lower prospect or 2 for one of these guys.

  186. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    If Rasmus goes for that, Mets are getting zero for Beltran.

  187. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    MTU,

    At the end of the day I trust the Yankees more than I trust any of the minor league “scouts” who post in here on a daily basis.

    If the Yankees envision one of these guys changing the face of the Yankees, I trust they will keep him. If they trade them, there’s a good reason why they did.

  188. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    And I never called them “gummy bears”. I call them “gumdrops”. Get it straight!

  189. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I love gummy bears. I would never trade my gummy bears.

  190. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Vineyard – exactly.

    Depth, flexability, makes lineup more potent, defense better and going forward just like snagging Granderson, it’s a huge move.

    This is all assuming they still land a starter, even a lesser solid veteran to sure up the rotation this year.

  191. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Jackson/Teahan moved for Frasor/Stewart so at least Sox got a pitching prospect out of it.

  192. Vineyard Yankee July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Yup, time to toss in the towel on Posada and have him be just a bench player. The bad thing is Rasmus now is apparently a Blue Jay.

  193. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Blue Jays are quietly building a decent team as well.

    Snider/Rasmus/Thames/Bautista in the OF
    Lawrie/Escobar/Lind and they need a 3B
    Arecenibia C

    Drabek/Cecil/Romero/Morrow P

    Working up to a watered down Rays team. But definitely positioning themselves well if they have some money to spend going forward

  194. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    MTU,

    At the end of the day I trust the Yankees more than I trust any of the minor league “scouts” who post in here on a daily basis.
    ///

    How are we minor league “scouts”? & how are we contradicting “the Yankees”, whose GM doesn’t want to give up his 3 top guys? Whatever he does or doesn’t end up doing, that’s no bluff on being loathe to part with those kids.

    One thing to say I have no interest in paying attention to the farm & prefer to enjoy baseball without knowing the system & just support the Yankees’ moves, but instead your insecurities lead you to undercut folks who keep up with the system. Knock yourself out, I guess.

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