Postgame notes: “It wasn’t good enough”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 27, 2011 
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Phil Hughes wasn’t great this afternoon, but he certainly kept his team in the game. Seven runs were charged to the bullpen, but on a perfect day only one of those would have crossed the plate. The Yankees scored just two runs, but there’s something to be said for facing Felix Hernandez.
All day it seemed that every Yankees success came with some failure, and every failure came with some success.
“Two runs is a decent outing,” Hughes said. “But it wasn’t good enough.”
Joe Girardi pointed to the seventh inning — when Robinson Cano botched a play and Curtis Granderon let a triple glance of his glove — as the turning point. “We gave them too many outs that inning,” he said. “That was the difference in the ballgame. It really changed the complexion of the game.”
That’s a fair point. Boone Logan faced four batters and let three of them reach, but the three lefties he faced each produced results that very easily could have resulted in an out. The two runs charged to Hector Noesi in the ninth were earned only because scorers won’t charge an error on a ball lost in the sun.
In the big picture, this game was about Hughes, who was much better than last time — “better isn’t really saying all that much compared to last outing,” he admitted — but still allowed nine hits to the worst-hitting team in baseball. He only walked one, and most of the hits were singles, but obviously this wasn’t a perfect outing.
“I felt like I really executed pitches better early in the count and not as good late, so that’s something that needs to change,” Hughes said. “I’d rather be able to execute those pitches when I need them with two strikes.”
Girardi said Hughes fastball command was much better than last time, and his curveball was more like the one Hughes showed in Toronto. Hughes wasn’t happy with the hits, but he felt like he made some good pitches in key spots.
“I think he can be sharper,” Girardi said. “His command can get better and his curveball can even get better. All of his pitches. It’s been kind of a strange year for him, but two out of his last three starts have been pretty good… We want to try to get back to who he was last year. If he’s going to give up two runs in six innings, I’ll sign up for that. I think we’re going to win a lot of games if a starting pitcher does that. Two out of his last three starts have been pretty good. The one (in between) was not. We just need him to be himself.”
Here’s Hughes.
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• Hughes said he never thought about the fact he was facing at team that had lost 17 in a row, but he didn’t like being the guy they finally beat. “It wasn’t even a thought,” he said. “I was just trying to go up there and pitch. I never really thought about that. I knew we were going up against a really good pitcher, who’s pitched really well here. He usually gives us trouble. I can’t remember the last time we’ve gotten him good. So I knew I was going to have to be good today.”
• Hughes on his curveball: “It was off and on. I threw some decent ones. A couple of times I threw some really good ones early in the count and then was frustrated with myself when I threw some poor ones later in the count, which seems like a common theme the last few outings, with not being able to make as good a pitch late when I need it. Overall, I’d say t was so-so.”
• Granderson said he simply lost the ninth-inning double in the sun. The seventh-inning triple was a little more complicated because Granderson said he always had a good read on it, it was just a matter of getting to it. Ultimately, it glanced off his glove in deep center field. “I knew it was definitely over my head to begin with,” Granderson said. “… I just wasn’t able to go ahead and get that extra inch on it.”
• The seventh inning really opened up after Robinson Cano threw the ball away trying to start a tough double play. “Robbie was trying to get two, and that’s a situation where you probably just take the one out,” Girardi said. “That’s going to happen. Robbie’s very talented and there are some special things he can do, but you probably need to get one out there.”
• Girardi took exception to the notion that the bullpen struggled today. “I didn’t think the bullpen really got hit hard today,” he said. “After we gave them five outs in the one inning, yeah, we gave up a hard-hit bal, but I thought the bullpen did a pretty good job. The bullpen probably should have escaped with one run in three innings; I’ll take that all the time.”
• Girardi said he was wrong when he said this morning that Alex Rodriguez’s next step would be to join the big league team for baseball drills. Rodriguez will report to Tampa next week and begin his baseball rehab there.
• This was the Yankees fifth loss in their past 22 games at home dating back to June 10. They are 6-5 this season in games when they have a chance to finish off a sweep.
• The Yankees have now lost their past four one-run games, and they’re 12-16 in one-run games this season.
• Brett Gardner has now been successful in 18 consecutive stolen base attempts. The Yankees have been caught in just three of their past 43 attempts.
• The Yankees have twice in franchise history faced a team with a 17-game losing streak, and the Yankees lost each time. They also lost to the Red Sox to snap a 17-game losing streak in 1926.
• A final word from Girardi about being the team that the Mariners finally beat after losing 17 in a row: “When I look back 20 years from now, I’m probably not going to remember. They were going to win a game at some point, I really believe that. We didn’t play well today, and that’s why we got beat.”
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Can’t wait for Alex to return
“Can’t wait for Alex to return”
Yea….they need him
They didn’t pitch well (bullpen), they didn’t play defense well, they didn’t hit well, they didn’t manage well…
As I said earlier…..my final offer for Ubaldo would be something along these lines. Betances, Romine, Nova, Corban…..take it or leave it…..couple of those players could be interchangable but no Montero and no Banuelos. If they want to pass then fine……..I just think the urgency they are apparently showing to trade him is enough of a red flag to keel those two out of the deal……that’s still a strong package and I still think he’s a guy that coukd make a difference in the playoffs…….but there are enough questions about him to keep from going all out IMO.
defense has been off all year. nunez with 13 errors does not help.
watch cano going to his left, not good………….
Blake-
Lot’s of trades are gonna start going down soon. Deadline is getting closer.
Cashman has always been a patient hunter though.
Prices tend to drop the longer you wait.
Can’t wait for Soriano to return…………..to form! Really hope he’s lights out the rest of the year and opts the h**l out of his contract!!
The trade deadline can’t come soon enough for me, I’m sick and tired of all these junior GM trade proposals.
Blake, one of these days Alex is not going to be here – they seriously need to build a lineup that isn’t so dependent on him.
Gotta run.
Catch you all later.
still a strong package and I still think he’s a guy that coukd make a difference in the playoffs…….but there are enough questions about him to keep from going all out IMO.
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Yet you would trade Betances?
Craw, I don’t like this time of year either – mostly it’s all harmless gossip. I still don’t think Jimenez is going to be traded.
Blake & MTU
latest from MLBTR’s on Pence:
The Phillies have been aggressive in pursuing Pence and there are indications that they would include Domonic Brown in a trade for him, according to Jim Salisburyof CSNPhilly.com. The Astros are looking for multiple top prospects for Pence, the Phillies’ top target.
It’s fine to PAL at the Mariners, but they are a major league team. So that means they can hit. Even the worst team has their days. And their home field is spacious, no? Add 18 games or so against Oakland. That’s why their pitching numbers look better than they really are and their offense looks worse than it really is.
So, can we stop pretending that they’re some High-A club?
“Yet you would trade Betances?”
Yea….not happily but he and Ubaldo are similar pitchers…..only one has been doing it in the bigs and one is in AA. Only 4 years age difference there. You gotta give to get…….
# Villa Nova-Ya July 27th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Betsy -
You seem to want things your way or no way. No one seems to be allowed to challenge your proclamations.
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As another loser used to say, “Bingo!”
Would not trade the potential of Betances for a guy a team wants to give away for some reason.
The Phils have been super aggressive the last couple of years…..and they should be …..they are getting old and their window is closing. The bubble is gonna pop one day in the head future though. Hope Cash at least takes a look at Pence…..see what it would take.
i really wonder why ubaldo is on the market. the rox clearly know something they don;t like. attitude, arms issues, etc.
it’s not the contract. arod makes more in a game than he’ll make for the next three years. kidding.
would hate to see a major prospect go in a trade for an issue waiting to happen.
“Would not trade the potential of Betances for a guy a team wants to give away for some reason.”
Asking for a big package of prospects isn’t exactly giving him away……now the Cardinals gave Rasmus away……
# Pat M. July 27th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Betsy….Now you just hit below the belt , Mike Francesca ??? He’s a moroon on too many fronts….But you did tip your hand as to where you get some of your comedy material
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It’s Francesa you morons and he knows more baseball than both of you.
Ubaldo is on the market because the pitching market stinks and they are having a bad season and maybe they want to shake things up and try to fill several holes with one deal to get better faster……that’s one reason……however the fact that they are pushing hard is a red flag and one you’d want to ask a lot of questions about before getting serious about acquiring him
mick,
Nova and Noesi were looked at as number 4 or maybe 3 type guys
Karstens is pitching great for Pitt and he never had a lot of hype when he was here
Clippard is a solid set up guy
They have hyped Hughes,Joba,Kennedy and the 3 B’s. All with good reason but that’s really it
mick….No he doesn’t…I respectfully disagree
They have hyped Hughes,Joba,Kennedy and the 3 B’s. All with good reason but that’s really it
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If you knew the answer, why ask the question?
You know as well as I that hyping a prospect is good for business if you can get away with it.
They have been doing it back to Brien Taylor.
Pat M, the point is, I really have no desire to argue with you……..You wonder why people leave the board and never return. In part it’s because people have no tolerance for other opinions. I get that you detest my opinions about Phil, but you choose to go on the attack instead of either letting it pass or having a discussion. In any case, we’ve been there and done that about Phil – let’s just agree to disagree, but I’m not sure what we’re disagreeing about anyway
I swear giradi is the ultimate optimist. He won’t throw anyone under the bus. Not saying he needs to but the bullpen did not get it done today. Plains and simple.
Everytime we’ve disgarded Colon and Garcia, they’ve proved us wrong. Will they prove us wrong all the way to the end of the season or postseason? Who the heck knows, but If you could add Jimenez without adding Montero or Manny then you do it? I do believe the Yanks have to kids to make this work. We’ll see, but I want Montero in pinstripes soon.
Also, this isn’t the place for people to take out their personal issues with each other ………..
Asking for a big package of prospects isn’t exactly giving him away……now the Cardinals gave Rasmus away……
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Blake-
Every talk show and the sports media have blasted the Cardinals for giving away Rasmus and lauding GM- AA of the Jays. Ironically the trade of pitching to the Cardinals might be enough this year to win the Central, and the Cardinals did have 4 good OF’ers for 3 spots.
Cardinals are all in to win it ths year.
Francesa has definite opinions just as ALL the “experts” in here do Pat.
Some claim to be in the know but he has more inside info than anyone in here.
As expected, Cashman is saying nothing to nobody as to who he’s talking with. The only given is that he’s in constant communication with Mark Newman, Billy Eppler, and Stick Michael.
# Betsy July 27th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Pat M, the point is, I really have no desire to argue with you……..You wonder why people leave the board and never return. In part it’s because people have no tolerance for other opinions. I get that you detest my opinions about Phil, but you choose to go on the attack instead of either letting it pass or having a discussion. In any case, we’ve been there and done that about Phil – let’s just agree to disagree, but I’m not sure what we’re disagreeing about anyway
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What is wrong with arguing?
Only problem is you take it personal.
# Betsy July 27th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Also, this isn’t the place for people to take out their personal issues with each other ………..
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Why don’t you get off your high horse?
We’re gonna be 3 behind the Red Sox. Their staff is decimated but their offense is carrying them. Lester and Beckett backed by that offense in Fenway is going to be tough to beat, especially if they have home field advantage.
Everything has gone right with our pitching staff and we’re still short.
mick,
The players I listed deserved all the hype they got. Your point was that they hype garbage type players to drive up their values which is why i asked you to name the guys you were talking about. All of the guys you named weren’t hyped big time other then the killer B’s.
and to bring up Taylor is laughable. You are saying he shouldn’t have been hyped? He was called the best pitching prospect people have ever seen.
People have not left the Lohud because of differences of opinion.
Puh-lease.
There have been differences of opinion here since the beginning.
People have plenty of tolerance for difference of opinion.
It seems to me, Betsy, that you don’t like it when people disagree with you.
OK now guys and gals I’m getting a headache!!
Pat M.-You mentioned earlier about Cashman substituting Hughes in the deal for Jimenez at the last minute and would the Rockies take him. I don’t think the Rockies would and if they did I feel Hughes would not survive long in Coors.
Did I get your post correct? Comments?
tripkle
all i’m saying is that they hype pitchers, do you disagree?
Joelsherman1 2 hours BTW, are #Cardinals execs still telling everyone that they are r not shopping Rasmus?
Bret- being a few games behind into August isn’t so bad when you can block a waiver claim by the team ahead of you.
You wonder why people leave the board and never return.
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another bs remark, you are the intolerant one.
people leave because they expect nirvana in here, they just can’t take it.
people with strong opinions had better be able to take criticism or their feelings will get hurt.
mick,
Every team hypes their own guys. The Yankees do it no more then other teams. It might seem that way because you root for the team and they get a lot of media coverage. Should the Yankees say their prospects are crap?
People shouldn’t speculate on why people left.
I get that you detest my opinions about Phil,
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It’s not what you say, its how you say it….
How many times and you don’t get it.
triple
nothing wrong with hyping every pitcher they have if others want to believe it.
Trader,
Yes …apparently the Cards are all in this year……and that trade may help them win the central, but they are a long shot to win it all IMO and 3 months from now there is a very good chance they will have traded Rasmus and have nothing to show for it……even if they wanted to deal him they didn’t get nearly enough……they got a rental starter who isn’t all that good and some relief ptching. If Im a Cards fan Im pretty disappointed right now……and if Im a Jays fan I am loving I.
OK now I’m leaving. Good night all and may all your Yankee trade target wishes come true.
I disagree. People disagree all the time.
It’s when people call each other names, accuse each other of being this person or not that person, or shout, “Dismissed!” Immature stuff.
And then there’s the sinister happenings.
Mick…..Of course the windbag has far reaching contacts but as for knowing the game, No……Betsy, you’re reaching to new depths if you are lumping me into the cesspool as for a reason people leave here……..Trader, my point was that if Colorado wanted Montero, Nova, Noesi and a lower level plus player, would you consider as SJ suggested that you offer Hughes and pull back Nova & Noesi ??? It makes sense on both fronts….Rockies are getting a pitcher who also could be in need of a change of address as well……..Hughes is having a disappointing season, but he still is viewed outside the Tri-State area as a known commodity, especially for the folks in Denver…….And Betsy, I do think the Yanks have a better than 50-50 chance of landing him
People come and people go,
Those who blame, do not know,
The reasons behind the flight,
Surely it is not because they fight.
Par M,
Have you heard that’s being discussed (Montero, Nova, Noesi?) Where is SJ?
pat m, can you speculate as to why the rox would want to trade a front line starter who makes very little money?
If you dish it out you better take it might be a better explanation.
Pat M I mean……Par M is probably what they call you on the golf course.
I don’t want to get my hopes up for Ubaldo Jimenez. I’m still scarred from the 2 near misses with Cliff Lee.
Pat M. July 27th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Mick…..Of course the windbag has far reaching contacts but as for knowing the game, No……Betsy,
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Pat , I agree Betty might have contacts.
mick,
LMAO!
# m July 27th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
mick,
LMAO!
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at which morsel?
You guys are cracking me up tonight.
The prospect huggers are in full cold sweat mode until Sunday night.
The fog is getting thicker & Leon is getting larger.
It’s tense and getting tenser. Will they trade all of the prospects by Sunday and settle all the family business like the end of the Godfather movies?
And Pat M., tell SJ to get back here and ruffle some feathers already.
Such a poet!
mick
Are you suggesting that if the Yankees hype a player it influences how other teams view them?
It seems to me they listen to their scouts more than any hype.
The ones that bye into the hype is the fans.
this place would be a better world if we could playfully express ourselves,
not take our selves so seriously.
not run away when confronted.
I don’t think the Yankees hype their players. It’s the fans, and is a mostly a byproduct of the internet.
You guys are cracking me up tonight.
The prospect huggers are in full cold sweat mode until Sunday night.
The fog is getting thicker & Leon is getting larger.
It’s tense and getting tenser.
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Could be the impending default.
I’d rather keep Nova, Noesi and Montero than trade for UJim.
Maybe I would entertain trading them for Felix, but UJim isn’t that good.
Those three players are worth more than UJim.
Sorry Bret
Sorry Prospect Haters
MaineYankee July 27th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
mick
Are you suggesting that if the Yankees hype a player it influences how other teams view them?
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Why else hype them?
GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
The Yanks are really missing out on a top pitching coach. Somebody needs to e-mail Cashman that LoHud has the best anywhere. Nobody knows pitchers like Betsy. Nobody spots flaws like her. She doesn;t even have to see them pitch.
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What’s you’re excuse for all the crap you spew.
You are a doctor,coach,gm,scout,psychiatrist,writer,critic,etc…
Only you’re opinions count???
What makes you so different???
mick,
What you say is true. It would be better if we could all just laugh and smile and joke and tease. But just like the real world, teasing gets old after a while.
Also, you can’t say you and Betsy are fine, yet continue to say the things you do.
I just now saw the replay of the braves / pirates game last night…….that was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen……and to end the game…..incredible.
I have no problem trading prospects for an ace starter. Problem is I don’t view Ubaldo as that ace and I think he would get killed in the Al East. Just because you don’t want them to deal for him doesn’t make you a “prospect hugger”
Such a poet!
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Oh, thought it was my profundity.
But I’ll take it, glad to make you laugh.
Oops. What I meant to say is that continuous teasing just turns into meanness after a while. And here, it borders on harassment.
mick,
You still haven’t given any examples of how the Yankees hype their guys more then other teams do
blake….Tin Cup is the par machine and is well known for his hustling ways , GB will attest to this…..Mick we both know I wasn’t referring to Betsy as a windbag…..She does have good offerings to this blog, but sometimes it’s sounds redundant…..blake, all that I’ve heard is that the Yanks want Ubaldo and Montero is part of the package and both clubs agree on that….This isn’t new info, it’s the other parts that are the issue….Let’s be clear, I don’t have a pipeline at all other than I know a few guys who work for some clubs and they pass on bits and pieces…
What makes you so different???
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he is special…
G. Love -
I just want the right prospects to go in the right deal, and you don’t want the Yankees to give up too many prospects in the wrong deal. It’s a delicate balance. And the Yankees seem to always be asked to pay more than other teams.
I personally am always hesitant to bring an NL pitcher into an AL East pennant race.
I am also hesitant to trade, at this particular juncture in Yankeedom, either of Montero or Romine. With Posada not catching at all, with Cervelli being merely serviceable, and Martin being, well, Martin (all in and therefore in danger of being all out), I think it would be a mistake to trade catching prospects right now. I ESPECIALLY don’t want them traded for Ubaldo Jimenez.
If they could get Felix Hernandez or even Clay Kershaw (in spite of him being in the NL), I’d reconsider.
I admit, I do get excited by some prospects and enjoy watching them, but I know they have value in different ways. Sometimes the best thing a prospect can be is a piece in a trade.
You still haven’t given any examples of how the Yankees hype their guys more then other teams do
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didn’t spot that query…maybe they don’t don’t know or care
mick July 27th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
MaineYankee July 27th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
mick
Are you suggesting that if the Yankees hype a player it influences how other teams view them?
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Why else hype them?
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If GM’s are influenced by hype they don’t deserve to be a GM.
Do you think Cashman is basing his desire for Jiminez based on how the Rockies portray him.
Ubaldo was kind of an exciting prospect (in the sense of getting him), but some of you made some compelling arguments today.
He would be good to have, but not giving up either of the B’s, Montero, or even Romine imo.
Something about hitting a gift horse in the mouth or something like that?
Pat M,
Thanks for what you do provide. Im not sure Id include Montero…..and if I did I wouldn’t put either Betances or Manny in the deal as well.
Also, you can’t say you and Betsy are fine, yet continue to say the things you do.
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I really don’t think what I say is the issue and people say whatever they please in here, much worse.
I would stop if she did.
And yes, I’m fully aware that a deal is 99.99% likely to not get done on those terms.
Papi is dishing it out and I can’t take it.
If GM’s are influenced by hype they don’t deserve to be a GM.
Do you think Cashman is basing his desire for Jiminez based on how the Rockies portray him.
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Maybe I’m wrong, what do I know?
Just passing time.
No such thing as hype?
Could be true.
Does it really matter?
mick,
Maybe you and Betsy should hug it out
mick,
I’ll give you a for instance. For instance, you’ll come on and say something like, “I’m here, so there she goes. Typical!” or something to that effect. Then you’ll say something like, “Betsy and I had a thing once, but now we don’t”
I may be wrong, but that’s how it goes sometimes. I don’t know if you’re trying to convince us, her, or yourself.
I think it’s safe to say the Sawx offense is locked in right now.
My only hope is that because they are playing so well, they’ll resist making any moves at the deadline…
and hope Verlander can silence them in the playoffs.
She does have good offerings to this blog, but sometimes it’s sounds redundant…..
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
I’ll give you a for instance. For instance, you’ll come on and say something like, “I’m here, so there she goes. Typical!” or something to that effect. Then you’ll say something like, “Betsy and I had a thing once, but now we don’t”
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I agree with the 1st quote not the 2nd.
I would give up a nice package for Ubaldo….you have to consider that he’s been pitching in a park that’s impossible to sustain success in……it effects your stamina, it effects the life on breaking pitches, and its a huge outfield. He’s a good pitcher and has the ability to be a great pitcher…….there are just enough questions that I wouldn’t include Montero or Banuelos.
Boston, if they swoon, usually swoon in August. It’s still early…
m
It’s looking a gift horse in the mouth.
mick,
Maybe you and Betsy should hug it out
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It takes 2.
I am willing.
She can’t stand me.
Looks like it’s safe to read this place, after the game…..
I’ll say it again – Nova (known ML commodity) plus Betances (high end prospect) highlight a deal for UJIm. Throw in Corban Joseph if Rox interested. No Montero (this is a pitching deal), no Banuelos. I guess Rox are stating they must have multiple high end young players, just like Cards insisted they weren’t trading Rasmus.
Will the stenographer on the blog go back and read what mick said?
I swear he’s said the second quote. More than once.
Or to use her word, detests me.
MY,
Thanks for that. Too much time on LoHud.
Who started the face punching here?
blake,
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the home and road splits are not that out of whack once the humidor started to be used
m, overruled.
That’s fine, but this is grounds for a mistrial!
Triple,
He’s pretty even for his career (both pretty good) but he’s really struggled at Coors this year.
i want an acquittal.
One more thing – I guess that Cash will try to hold onto to Montero, to serve as the bat they need.
It will be one deal, a big one – Jimenez. Pitching is the key, as shown by the Phillies, a team with a question O who has the best record in baseball.
Plus the humidor just affects the balls……it doesn’t affect the thin air you have to pitch in.
Plus the humidor just affects the balls……
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I thought steroids did that.
sunny615 July 27th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
They didn’t pitch well (bullpen), they didn’t play defense well, they didn’t hit well, they didn’t manage well…
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Yep. Girardi flashed the “Screw up the play” sign too maby times.
Groiunds for appeal.
Villa Nova-Ya, you seem to have some institutional knowledge of the workings of this comment community, yet your name is relatively new here.
Who else have you been? Why the new name?
sign too ***many*** times
blake,
Plus he gets to pitch in LA,SF and SD. I really don’t see him being anymore then a number 3 guy in the AL East. Which is fine if they were asking for a number 3 starter value in return.
If anything, we should sell Hughes-less high, if he still has high trade value. Looked awful today against worst team in baseball. Nova is a keeper.
Where is Montero? I read an article on espn detailing Yankees fear to bring him up and possibly have him fail.
Wow, get on Phil all you want, but Lackey is still bad.
4.1 IP, 9 hits, 4 Runs (3 earned), 94 pitches, bases loaded. About to explode!
Trade Hughes for UJim.
Triple,
When he’s right he way better than that. He’s got #1 stuff in any league……
i could see ubaldo really doing well in the new yankee stadium. i guess some will call me a prospect hugger, but i’d hate to see montero go.
I would stop if she did.
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You sound like a little kid with that remark. Why don’t you be the bigger person and stop instead of waiting on Betsy.
I like Hughes plus one of the B’s for Jiminez. A reasonable trade for both sides. Phil needs to get out of NY–it just isn’t going to happen for him here (flame me all you want–enough already).
No Montero, as noted above–they need the bat, and he’ll be called up next year (or in September) and will play a lot next year when Posada retires.
Peter Gammons said the Red Sox won’t give up anything good for Kiroda? What do they have left in their farm system to give up at this point?
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
rival gm on houston’s lofty pence requests. “they need to get real.”
8 minutes ago
m,
people also complain about aj. better than lackey. much better
You sound like a little kid with that remark. Why don’t you be the bigger person and stop instead of waiting on Betsy.
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Impossible. I only react to comments.
blake…..Manny B is a deal breaker and I have to think that’s a forgone conclusion…….In my opinion nobody plays the role of the Devil’s advocate better than Betsy and she brings much to support her stance…For me there’s times when she loses some objectivity due to that position……..The Hughes situation is a hot topic for us, and if he were to be traded she’d miss him though………G. Love, it’s going to be sometime I think before SJ makes a return……I’ve asked him just to make a token post or pregame appearance jst to share the wealth of info that he has, but he’s done with the bs
Nick in SF -
I have only ever been me.
I can only say I hope that Carlos Beltran knows that SF is very cold in August and that Ramen is a great dinner in that kind of weather.
blake,
I just hate pitchers that walk a lot of guys.
See, here’s the thing. Betsy doesn’t start anything with anybody.
She might read something the wrong way and go off on you, but she’s not starting the trouble here.
People just like using her as a punching bag. But she obviously is a glutton for punishment.
AJ is ok. CC is an ace. Colon and Garcia are serviceable. Nova has real talent. Hughes-less has got to go. He’s lost his velocity and he cannot succeed without it; he could barely succeed with it.. with the thousands of foul balls and five innings of 100 pitches outings.
Nice change of scenery for Carlos Beltran. Not so nice change of scenery for Colby Rasmus.
Pat M….This place would be a happier one if Betty could develop her sense of humor as large as her intellect.
PittsburghYankeeFan – Hi there. Hope you’re enjoying the Pirates run. I used to live in the ‘burgh, 84-87, when they were pretty bad. Glad their finally having a decent season.
I fully understand the rationale of a change in scenery for Hughes. Maybe it’s that I’ve been following him for so long, but I hope his success comes here, in NY.
Plus, I think Nova, a primarily ground ball pitcher, would be a better fit for Coors Field.
Pirela is killing Banuelos tonight. 6 innings 4 hits, 0 runs, 2 walk, 5 strikeouts.
Pirela has made his 26th error and two infield “singles” that were misplayed by Pirela. One of the other hits was a bunt single.
Why do the Jays need Colby Rasmus? Don’t they hit enough HR as it is?
See, here’s the thing. Betsy doesn’t start anything with anybody.
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Manny B rolling tonight. 6 IP, 4 hits, 5 K’s, 0 runs.
m,
The only thing I have noticed about her is she is way too sensitive. Someone will disagree with something she says and she will respond with something like I’m done with this have a nice night and they she will continue to discuss the issue
I think Betsy would cease to exist if Phil Hughes were traded. There’s a symbiotic connection between them none of us are capable of ever explaining.
And too bad about SJ, but most of the time he spent here arguing with morons so I don’t blame him. I’ve come close a few times to bailing, but it’s still fun when everyone is talking baseball and spitting back and forth.
Plus if I leave, the prospect huggers win. Not on my watch. You need me on this wall.
…….In my opinion nobody plays the role of the Devil’s advocate better than Betsy
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I bring this in as evidence.
mick,
When did she start a fight? When did she attack anyone and say the things that are said to her?
like I expected, Yanks end Seattle’s losing straight.
3rd time this season Yanks end opposing team’s long losing straight.
way to go. btw, Logan again? He should be fired on site already.
According to Rosenthal, Yankees have turned up the heat in their pursuit of Kuroda.
Lots of Dodger/Yankee ties who could whisper sweet nothings in his ear about how much he’d love NY.
Joe from Long Island -
That makes sense from the Rockies’ side. I would think they’d prefer the pitcher who is lest apt to throw the HR pitch.
I am just not sure how Ubaldo makes the Yankees a better team.
Triple,
yea the walk rate is a little high….3 something most years but when he’s right he doesn’t give up many hits either and that offsets it somewhat.
Pat M,
Manny is a no no….I just really don’t want to trade Montero and see him go out there and go off in Colorado. I think they need to try to keep as many good bats as they can.
Who takes Logan’s spot?
Kuroda or Ubaldo? Ubaldo every time.
Joe
Loving the Pirates. I fell asleep last night so I didn’t see them get ripped off in the bottom of the 19th last night. Not sure they have enough to overcome the Cards lineup, but Clint Hurdle has got them believing in themselves. Finally we will have an interesting baseball September in the Burgh.
While I want Phil to succeed, I think this is like Ian Kennedy. He’ll be great in the NL. Nova looks like a decent number 4 or 5 in the AL–that’s all they need him to be.
FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi report that the Yankees have “intensified” their pursuit of Hiroki Kuroda.
Is this a smokescreen to get the Col to lower their demands?
mick,
When did she start a fight?
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Depends on your definition of fight.
She annoys many.
looks like manny b got the memo about the walks
hopefully that blister issue goes away and he can take the next step to aaa this year.
if so, he could be a mid season call up next year if the sun and the moon align for him
“According to Rosenthal, Yankees have turned up the heat in their pursuit of Kuroda. ”
yuck
Beltran to the Bay
summer fog demands ramen,
Panda hugs, snuggie
Is Cash using the Dodgers to drive down the price of Jimenez?
Okay, let’s just say I don’t feel she’s passive-aggressive.
Unlike many of her detractors.
I’d prefer to keep Betances if I had to trade one of the two.
Betances is big and a born and raised new Horner. You can’t teach NY toughness. (see Phil “softer than a soft hair curler” Hughes)
As much as I don’t want Kuroda, I want Jiminez even less. If Kuroda comes to NY, is Matsui far behind?
Pittsburg,
I’m a Braves fan and that call was an abomination…..it really wasn’t even close and the guy was right there. I really have no idea how he could have missed it.
GordonEdes
Sox still in on Ubaldo Jimenez, one of five teams in on Kuroda as need for pitching becomes more pronounced, w/Buchholz pushed back
Okay, let’s just say I don’t feel she’s passive-aggressive.
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you lose me when yo go all psycho-cological on my arse.
Montero is still hovering below 800 OPS in AAA. Thank God the Yankees and Rockies agree that he’s in the deal. Thank you Pat M. for that tidbit.
I’m a Braves fan and that call was an abomination…..it really wasn’t even close and the guy was right there. I really have no idea how he could have missed it.
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same way joyce blew the no hitter, was it a perfecto?
whats going on with Hanley? Hey maybe we can get him for AJ Burnett, Logan, and Ayala…..Rasmus style
Bucholz’ back still a problem?
The Joyce call cost a guy history…..but that was a closer play than that one last night. I really don’t see how he missed it.
I’ll admit it. Lester + Beckett + Buccholz backed by that offense in Fenway scares me. We’re going to have our butts handed to us if we stand pat at the deadline. We’re already like 1-8 vs. the Sox.
Nick in SF -
And there is only one place for Ramen in SF.
Plus the odd restaurant that is counter-intuitive to Yankees fans.
raymagnetic -
I never thought Phil Hughes was “soft” at all. He’s having a disappointing season (maybe to say the least), but he’s not ill-suited for NY.
Suprised that Banuelos opens up the 7th inning.
I get to see Ubaldo pitch a few times a season and all I can say is that he has a serious stuff…..It’s my feeling that he hasn’t reached his full potential to date…..Slotting him behind Sabathia is a double hill to climb come October
what could the red sox give for ubaldo? pedrioa?
lot a lot in aa or aaa for them. big league club shows that
sorry, meant ‘not a lot’
I’m a Braves fan and that call was an abomination…..it really wasn’t even close and the guy was right there. I really have no idea how he could have missed it.
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Home plate UMP was bought, it’s so obvious.
How much is the only question.
Are the Sox going to trade one of Casey Kelly’s old socks for Ubaldo…..
Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi report that the Yankees have “intensified” their pursuit of Hiroki Kuroda.
Is this a smokescreen to get the Col to lower their demands?
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Or is it the Yankees moving on because Col. was asking for to much?
Poor Joba
Joba_62 Yeah. Appendectomy and then an infection. It was a long couple weeks! I’m back now and doin well thank god!
Banuelos gives up a leadoff homer in the 7th inning. Really unusual for him. doesn’t give up many. First in more than a month.
Pat M.
CC-Ubaldo is the only way we hang with Lester + Beckett + Buccholz and those bats in Fenway. On top of that we’re going to need Tex, Jeter and Posada to show up.
“Suprised that Banuelos opens up the 7th inning.”
trying to stretch him out and get him deeper I guess.
Pat M,
Ubaldo has some of the best pure stuff in baseball….who knows what getting him down to sea level would do.
Sox still in on Ubaldo Jimenez, one of five teams in on Kuroda as need for pitching becomes more pronounced, w/Buchholz pushed back
According to Rosenthal, Yankees have turned up the heat in their pursuit of Kuroda.
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I think we all know what is happening here.
Rockies are playing the Yankees/Sox off eachother (how convenient that the Sox are this big time player for him as soon as reports surface that the Rockies are seriously shopping him and not “Upton’ing” him)
Yanks are leaking serious pursuit of Kuroda to back O’Dowd off his price, while upping the ante for the Sox, who are linked most to him.
Kuroda isn’t much if any better than what they have….
MaineYankee – That’s what Cash wants O’Dowd to think. I’m not that impressed with Kuroda.
The Sox have offered some bottled sweat from Casey Kelly for Ubaldo…..it’s up to the Yankees to counter
kd,
Don’t go there, please.
The Sox do have some nice young players. But they’re filling holes in the majors right now. So to get another pitcher, they’re going to have to part with some of the kids who are actually contributing. Or give up Yankee killer Darnell McDonald.
What I want to know is where is all that pitching depth? Bowden and …?
And keep in mind, this is after reports that the Reds have shifted their focus on Shields.
Pat M -
So you think Jimenez will be helped by pitching for the Yankees?
pat, at least Chamberlain had the commom decency to have the appendectomy while recovering from TJ Surgery….unlike Banuelos and Pena.
How does a team pass on some of the pitching TB offered?
Even though I dont think the Redsox have the pieces to land Ubaldo, yankee fans would be furious if he was in a redsox uniform come july 31st so lets stop acting like he’s a back of the rotation type of pitcher. He’s 27 and has tons of potential.
The bottled sweat of Casey Kelly, who now only has 3rd starter potential, is an insurmountable offer
Yank 97 July 27th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Sox still in on Ubaldo Jimenez, one of five teams in on Kuroda as need for pitching becomes more pronounced, w/Buchholz pushed back
According to Rosenthal, Yankees have turned up the heat in their pursuit of Kuroda.
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I think we all know what is happening here.
Rockies are playing the Yankees/Sox off eachother (how convenient that the Sox are this big time player for him as soon as reports surface that the Rockies are seriously shopping him and not “Upton’ing” him)
Yanks are leaking serious pursuit of Kuroda to back O’Dowd off his price, while upping the ante for the Sox, who are linked most to him.
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I’d say you’re spot on! This is exciting!
One thing about acquiring Jimenez (I know, I’m being optimistic)……That leaves them with one too may starting pitchers. To me, this suggests that there’s a second deal coming. I really don’t think they’d move Phil to the bullpen.
Can anyone be sure Buchholz will be an effective pitcher down the stretch? When is he even due back?
Banuelos is out after 6.1 innigs, 5 hits, 1 run, 3 walks, 5 strikeouts. 10 groundouts, 3 flyouts
No team is trading for Phil Hughes right now. He has had flashes of brilliance in the past, but he’s far from being back to form.
Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
One thing about acquiring Jimenez (I know, I’m being optimistic)……That leaves them with one too may starting pitchers. To me, this suggests that there’s a second deal coming.
I really don’t think they’d move Phil to the bullpen.
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Or to AAA. I think if the Yankees acquire Jimenez, Phil will be moved for a bat. That’s why they have to keep Nova out of that deal. Next year would be CC, Ubaldo, AJ. They need Nova to take one of those spots.
They better not remove Garcia from the rotation to accommodate a potential new pitcher. If he’s not traded, they need to send Hughes somewhere.
I still want to try and pry away Danks/Quinten/Thorton from Chi-Town. Honestly, I’d prefer Gavin Floyd over Kuroda. At least Floyd has good stuff. Reminds me of Matt Garza-lite.
I like the 10 grounouts from Manny….CU must have been working tonight.
Joe,
I think Nova would probably be in the deal for Ubaldo and they’d probably send Hughes down my guess
Trenton manager, Tony Franklin just had a heart attack in the dugout.
Brad Halsey just came in and got two straight outs, but, it wasn’t his fault.
I would trade for Jimenez and keep Nova out of the deal, then spin Phil Hughes + to the White Sox for Quentin. If the Yankees have to absorb the 2 years 12 million owed to LHRP Matt Thornton then so bet it.
If they get another starter, I think Phil goes to the bullpen. I think he’s still having arm issues.
I don’t see why the White Sox would sell really…. I think they unloaded Jackson because they had an extra starter and they thought the bullpen help would help them this year. I think they would have to get a big offer to trade Danks
Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
MaineYankee – That’s what Cash wants O’Dowd to think. I’m not that impressed with Kuroda.
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Alot of posturing going on.
Do you think some GM’s play poker in the off season?
gb – I can’t tell, are you serious about Tony Franklin?
Villa Nova Ya……..Besides Ubaldo’s ability to bring at least 4 different pitches into the strike zone, the change of scenery has to be viewed by him as a Godsend….Also there’s the Rothchild factor…….As mentioned earlier, it comes down to how hard Cashman is willing to swallow…….This is not only this season but with an eye to seasons to come……
GreenBeret7 -
Are you kidding or being sarcastic? Or did Franklin really just have a heart attack?
Blake,
Quentin is a free agent after 2012. So he’s a rental for a little over a year. That’s why the White Sox would sell him for Phil Hughes.
The trick is to keep Nova out of the Jimenez deal.
A White Sox deal centered around Hughes or Nova seems like a good match.
I wonder if they would do a Danks for Hughes+ (maybe Romine and Phelps or something). Especially if we are willing to absorb Thorton, who could be a very useful piece to us if he is right.
I’m still intrigued by Ubaldo, but is a little too risky for my taste. Again, if I could center a package around Hughes/Betances/Nova or something, I’d do it.
m July 27th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
How does a team pass on some of the pitching TB offered?
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Ask the Angels if they wish they had passed on Kazmir.
No,, just kidding about Franklin, but, I’m sure it was close. At his age, he can’t handle a shock like Halsey not allowing a run.
Pat M -
As much as I want Hughes to succeed, I realize that wishing does not make it so. And he does not seem to have the same repertoire as he had in the beginning. If you are saying the Ubaldo has that repertoire I thought Hughes would bring, perhaps I need to be more open-minded about the possibility that he could be better than Hughes. Hughes may get there – but is it the same situation as with Austin Jackson/Granderson? You give up what someone could be for the current version?
gb……This kid pitcher that the Yanks have, Montgomery have you seen him throw ??? I think you were telling us about him a few weeks ago…….SJ also says he’s lights out …..
GreenBeret7 -
Halsey NEVER shuts the door. Must’ve shocked a lot of people.
Bret,
Again….the White Sox are only 4 games back…..
Let’s not forget the $ we saved by not signing Lee this offseason. Even if we swing a deal for Ubaldo I see no reason why we don’t address our other need, a DH capable bat. 240 and single digit home runs is not what we need in the DH hole. Time to spend a little more of that remaining $10 mm (lee cost less soriano money) and pick up a salary dump everyday DH/outfielder. Jorge will get some DH at bats and spell tex once in a while.
Blake
What are you thoughts about the B. Davis firing. I really liked what he was doing with that team. They were playing exciting ball. I’m not sure that he’s going to be easily replaced.
Nick
I think you had an astute observation earlier. And I’m not buying the response.
Pat m., I saw him once about a week ago. He is something else. about the same size as Robertson, 94-95 MPH fastball and a “knock ‘em in the dirt” slider, or as Piliere called it, a “wipeout slider”. just 20 years old and signed in June.
Villa Nova Ya…..I’m still in the Hughes camp and I do feel he’ll round out into form but this season is in question…..The innings from 2010 have to be a big factor for him…..He will reach his predestined success, I just hope it’s in the Bronx
Pat M., Wish that I had seen his game that he struck out 5 in one inning. 14.1 innings, 5 walks and 28 strikeouts. Last night was his first game in his 13 games without a strikeout
Tar,
I think we’re seeing the same thing.
Pat M -
Would it be fair to say that you would want Ubaldo, but not if they had to trade Hughes to get him?
Can someone give me a brief description on Kuroda?? Thanks in advance!
Tar, if you’re referring to an observation I made in this thread, I wouldn’t worry about this one.
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report that interest in Hiroki Kuroda is intensifying, with the Yankees at the forefront.
Wilson is pitching for SF right now against Phillie. Look likr he belongs on a coughdrop box or pitching for the House Of David.
Where is it written that ML pitchers will have their careers defined by the age of 25 years? Am I missing something?
Benny Blanco July 27th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Can someone give me a brief description on Kuroda?? Thanks in advance!
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He’s Japanese and old.
Do not trade Hughes. Do not trade anyone. Maybe get somebody through waivers. But we’re not gonna get anything good back. If we get Ubaldo we’re right back where we started.
GB – there you go, showing your age again.
Pat M. July 27th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Villa Nova Ya…..I’m still in the Hughes camp and I do feel he’ll round out into form but this season is in question…..The innings from 2010 have to be a big factor for him…..He will reach his predestined success, I just hope it’s in the Bronx
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I think if he’s still with the Yankees at seasons end the exit meeting will be long on what is expected to take place in the off season.
I’m a Kuroda fan.
If no Ubaldo or Danks, get him.
Joe, he asked for a brief description. Can’t get any more brief than that.
Hope Week Pics from today- Empire State Building and St. Pat’s
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Cito Culver is having a career night. 2-3 with 2 homers and 4 RBI.
“According to Rosenthal, Yankees have turned up the heat in their pursuit of Kuroda. ”
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the Yankees way of telling Colorado:
“If you are serious about trading Ubaldo, then get serious about it and drop your demands…. because we are ready to move on asap if you don’t”
GB – I meant about the cough drops and House of David references!! LOL!!
Nick in SF July 27th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Tar, if you’re referring to an observation I made in this thread, I wouldn’t worry about this one.
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I can’t make the connection yet but the old 8 ball is a little fuzzy.
Beltran has boarded the plane to Philly.
Villa Nova Ya…..You’re tough, It’s my hope that if this Ubaldo deal was to go through that the Yanks retain both Hughes and Manny B……However after hearing what I heard earlier today Phillip Hughes maynot be a lock to stay in Pinstripes……
Nick in SF
I remember your connection but the picture is a bit hazy.
NICK in SF…..I feel a little better tonight about the SF Giants reaching the 89 win mark
Nick
I agree. At this point it’s More curiosity than anything.
Jeers
Looking for positives, it’s kind of cool that we are sort of “circling the wagons” so to speak
Yanks could be “in on” Jimenez and/or Kuroda just to raise the price for the Red Sox, maybe to point where some other team outbids them. Red Sox don’t have as much to trade as in the past unless they are going to take off their major league roster.
Many here seem to think the Yanks are desperate for a #2, but Colon is pitching like a #2. He’s as good or better than just almost any other #2′s in baseball. The only concern with Colon is his durability. So basically a move for another high level pitcher would be for insurance purposes. How much do you want to spend for that insurance?
I remember C R 9 telling the forum that he had many screen names and even some that appeared to be regulars here.
I don’t remember empty promises coming from that end of left field.
CAVEAT EMPTOR.
“So basically a move for another high level pitcher would be for insurance purposes”
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Adding a front-line starter is a little more than insurance. It’s a move made to try to separate a playoff team from the other playoff teams and give them a better chance to win those playoff games.
There’s one team in baseball that might not benefit that much from added reliable starting pitching, and it’s not the Yankees.
So “luis” works in the financial district but is still on lohud in the wee hours of the morning?
luis July 25th, 2011 at 4:14 am
luis July 27th, 2011 at 2:47 am
Understanding wife and really dumb clients I guess.
You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig. 9 hits, 3K’s in 6 IP against a sick offense.
Clock ticking for Cashman. Time to end the Posada DH era and get another bat, and another quality SP’er who can deal with the Red Sox and Rangers.
Posada has 3 HR in 3 months, and only 2 xbh in July.