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Pregame notes: “We know what he’s capable of doing”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes has made three starts since coming off the disabled list. There was a so-so outing against the Indians, a good start against the Blue Jays and last week’s ugly performance against the A’s.

“I think it’s important for him to bounce back after the last start,” Joe Girardi said. “His pitches just weren’t crisp the last time like they were in Toronto. I think it’s important for him… The trade deadline does not enter my mind when we talk about Phil Hughes, does he solidify (his spot)? That doesn’t enter my mind. The bottom line is we’ve got to get this guy back to where he was last year, and how do we do that, and what’s the best approach? That’s what’s mostly in the back of my mind because we know what he’s capable of doing, and it’s getting him there.”

Hughes seemed to take a significant step forward with his improved curveball and improved fastball command in Cleveland, but those things weren’t evident in his 4.1 innings against Oakland on Friday.

Girardi has talked a lot about Hughes keeping a good downward plane on his fastball, and Girardi brought that up again this morning. Someone asked if swing-and-miss stuff would be a key this afternoon, but Girardi said that’s not exactly the case.

“That was part of what he did last year,” Girardi said. “I look at swings more than swings and misses. Are they squaring the ball up is the bottom line. You can have deception, have guys out front and they hit weak ground balls or weak pop ups. That’s a good sign. To me, it’s the quality of the swing more than the swings and misses.”

• The Yankees decided not to activate Rafael Soriano for today’s game and will likely activate him on Friday. “With him throwing two days in a row, we feel it’s probably best in this situation – because he’s just coming off an injury – to give him two days,” Girardi said.

• Speaking of players on the disabled list, Girardi finally vocalized a truth that’s been pretty obvious for a while now: It’s time to give up on Pedro Feliciano pitching this year. “I would think so, yeah,” Girardi said. As it stands, Feliciano is still in Tampa, and Girardi said he’s “trying” to play catch. “He’s not doing much,” Girardi said.

• Damaso Marte is still throwing bullpens in Tampa, so he actually has some chance of playing some sort of role down the stretch.

• Girardi wasn’t sure when exactly, but Alex Rodriguez will do his early rehab work — taking batting practice and such — with the Yankees rather than at the minor league complex in Tampa. They Yankees have a date in mind that Rodriguez will join the Yankees to begin baseball activities, but Girardi couldn’t remember the exact day.

• The decision not to play Eric Chavez today: “It’s a day game after a night game and Chavy’s played seven out of eight days,” Girardi said. “We want o be smart about this. This is not a guy that we want to lose again.”

• The Yankees still haven’t announced starting pitchers for Saturday’s double header. Bartolo Colon will start one of them, but Girardi said the other game is still TBA. Ivan Nova is available to make the start — Girardi said health is not a concern for Nova — but the Yankees aren’t certain he’ll come up to pitch one of those games. “Just some things we’re talking about that we could do with our rotation,” Girardi said.

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140 Responses to “Pregame notes: “We know what he’s capable of doing””

  1. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Anthopolis is going to wind up with Rasmus wigout giving up anything……

  2. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    If the Jays get Rasmus for essentially Frasor then Cashman got caught with his pants down on this one…..

  3. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Mell says: July 27, 2011 at 12:03 pm If the Cards trade Rasmus for what’s being rumored then man that’s really selling low on a guy with his talent and team control =========================== Be a nice little coup for Alex A up in Ontario.

    Unbelievable.

  4. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Blake,

    If the Cards wanted Nova and Cashman passed, then it could mean Cashman had to keep him for the Ubaldo deal.

    This is exciting!

  5. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Ivan Nova is available to make the start ? Girardi said health is not a concern for Nova ? but the Yankees aren?t certain he?ll come up to pitch one of those games.

    **********************

    I vote for SuperNova to make the start. ;)

  6. ZMAN July 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Cash looks like he missed the boat on this one

    Toronto with the heist

  7. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    I think the Yankees will acquire Ubaldo Jimenez and Nova will be in the deal. We never could’ve had both Ubaldo and Rasmus. Not enough powder.

    Perhaps we can still land Ubaldo and Quentin.

  8. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    This was not done as a 3-way deal. Rasmus has not moved.

    Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the Blue Jays have acquired Edwin Jackson and infielder Mark Teahen from the White Sox for right-hander Jason Frasor.

  9. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    It sounds, at least to me, that Girardi is considering Noesi for the start if they don’t have to use him before Saturday.

  10. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    seconded Erin!

    I am getting hungry…must be all the talk about gummy bears, gum drops…

  11. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Bret and others in favor of trading Montero+one of the 2B’s + others:

    Last time I post this part from NY Post today that voice many of my as well as other posters on the blog:

    The Yankees and many organizations are concerned about red flags with Jimenez. His fastball speed is down from a first half last year when he was arguably the best starter in the majors, he is just 6-9 with a 4.20 ERA despite generally pitching better in July, and he has a high-maintenance delivery that makes him susceptible to arm injury and/or fits of wildness (more problematic in the AL East than in the NL Central). In other words, there is some A.J. Burnett there.

    Also there are officials who simply see a red flag in the Rockies having a young, talented, inexpensive starter on the market. What do they know about Jimenez that other teams don’t?

    My prediction: Cashman will do what he does better than anybody. If not truly interested for the Rockies demands, he’ll still stay engaged until Jimenez stays with the Rockies and is not a factor in the postseason or stays in NL.

    Now that the Cardinals have strengthened their pitching I think the Reds make an all-out push for Ubaldo.

  12. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Hughes-Show up today. Throw all of your pitches. DO NOT abandon your change-up.

  13. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Cashman……wake up and offer something better than Edwin Jackson to the Cardinals……it wont be that hard.

  14. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    upstate kate,

    I will gladly trade you my gum drops for gummy bears. But I’ll empty the system for Mike & Ike’s.

  15. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    jcrasnick #Pirates have sent out press release from President Frank Coonelly. They’ve filed a complaint with the commissioner over Meals call.

  16. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 7 mins Edwin jackson likely to be spun to #cardinals. #tradedeadline

    Unreal….AA might be an evil genious

  17. Wave Your Hat July 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    I hate seeing Rasmus go to the Jays but there’s no room for him on the Yanks. Ubaldo, there’s room for. If Montero goes in the deal, and either Banuelos or Betances and someone else too, I won’t cry. I doubt the Yanks have the room or patience for Montero and they aren’t all that great at promoting starters either. I’m sort of with GLove on this one.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Yankee fans cannot have their cake and eat it too. If they want to keep all of their prospects, they need to prepare for a few years of not making the postseason.
    ///

    You’re going by a tired script that isn’t the Yankees’ reality.

    They’re 2 games out of first place & haven’t dealt anyone of significance. How does this become “a few years of not making the postseason?”

    Cashman got Colon & Garcia in hopes he wouldn’t have to give up the top young guys. So far, both have worked out very nicely in helping them be in virtual coin flip for first place in the game’s toughest division.

    By trying to pull that off, Cashman is indeed challenging your notion of not having his cake & eating it too.

  19. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    G Love
    its dark chocolate or nothing

  20. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    seconded Erin!

    I am getting hungry?must be all the talk about gummy bears, gum drops?

    **************************

    mmmmm….gummy bears. :)

  21. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Chambliss July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    G. Love, I hear ya. Yankee fans cannot have their cake and eat it too. If they want to keep all of their prospects, they need to prepare for a few years of not making the postseason….
    ______
    Except this is a fallacy. We won with our prospects in 2009. Who do you think filled out the bullpen: Aceves, DRob, Joba, Hughes. This idea that you lose playing your prospects is a prospects “haters” flawed refrain. I would argue you win because you are not locked into long term contracts that block players and don’t allow for player development. If Bumgarner had been on the Yankees he would have been shipped out for decreased velocity. Fans would have been calling for Verlander to be traded too, when his velocity dipped. And there is nothing exceptional about collapsing all prospects and making some categorical statement about prospects. It just reveals a fan who hasn’t done his homework. Prospects don’t prevent you from winning. Repeat. Prospects don’t prevent you from winning. They empower you to have choices when say, a Cliff Lee, decides to go to Philly instead.

  22. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Blake,

    The Cards probably wanted Nova and Cash needs him for the Ubaldo deal. The Cards and the Rox probably want Nova. Only 1 team gets him. It’s the Rox.

  23. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    There is plenty of room in RF for Rasmus.

  24. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    G Love
    its dark chocolate or nothing

    ************************

    oooh kate, now I’m really getting hungry.

    Dark Chocolate is my weakness. ;)

  25. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Blake-

    There must be more there than meets the eye if the Yanks decide to pass on Rasmus for such a low return.

    Gotta believe we could do better if we wanted too.

    Puzzling ?

  26. Wave Your Hat July 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    blake-

    Not now there isn’t.

  27. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Unreal….AA might be an evil genious

    ————-
    Blake-

    Might need AA before the week is over!! :)

  28. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Dark chocolate FTW!

  29. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “… but the Yankees aren’t certain he’ll come up to pitch one of those games. “Just some things we’re talking about that we could do with our rotation,” Girardi said.”

    ———————————————

    Sat could be Ubaldo’s spot.

  30. Crawdaddy July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I thought I heard Zach Stewart is being traded by Toronto in one of these deals.

  31. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    yanksfem,

    If we didn’t ship out Hughes for decreased velocity why would we have shipped out Baumgardner?

  32. Wave Your Hat July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “They empower you to have choices when say, a Cliff Lee, decides to go to Philly instead.”

    Except the choice of the Yanks is usually to go out and get a veteran instead.

  33. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Bret,

    I don’t see that Ubaldo deal happening..

  34. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Wave,

    Swish to DH…..Jorge to the bench.

  35. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Upstate Kate,

    Dark chocolate Reeses Peanut Butter Cups could get me to give up Cano…and CC.

  36. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Crawdaddy-

    The Blue Jays acquired starter Edwin Jackson and third baseman Mark Teahen from the White Sox for reliever Jason Frasor and starter Zach Stewart, tweets Mark Gonzalez of the Chicago Tribune. The deal also includes a cash exchange of more than $1MM.

  37. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    The fact that Girardi didn’t guarantee Nova starting the second game on Saturday may be a clue.

    It’s not because of health – Joe came and straight out said that, according to Chad.

    So, why wouldn’t they use him, after Joe began saying a week ago that Nova was being thought of for that start? They can certainly move up somebody, due to the off-day Thursday. Or, they can use Noesi.

    But, is it because Nova might be playing for another team by then?

  38. Crawdaddy July 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    That’s what I thought which means Toronto traded a really good prospect away.

  39. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I just watched the end of the Pirates game last night…

    That is definitely the WORST CALL i have ever seen, short of the Gallaraga’s perfect game.

  40. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    GLove, Bumgarner’s was a much lengthier ordeal and he was throwing 88.7 at the beginning of 2009 season.

  41. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 10 mins Word is, edwin jackson definitely is being traded again, this time from toronto. I’ve heard its going to be for rasmus. #tradedeadline

    :(

  42. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Does anyone but me think that Kenny Williams is a real dope ?

    I’ve never seen a Manager get played as bad as him.

    Makes one bad deal after the next.

    Wish he worked for the Red Sox instead. We’d never lose.

    :)

  43. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    ac1
    that was a horrible call, he was out by a mile…and that was an important game for the pirates

    G Love
    never tried them, but they sound delicious. I wouldn’t trade Robbie or CC for anything tho

    Joe
    perhaps that is Cashman in stealth mode

  44. Triple Short of a Cycle July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Name the last number 1/2 starter the Yankees traded for at the deadline. Meaning they aren’t getting Ubaldo

  45. bruceb July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Has anyone considered just how much pressure Phil Hughes is under today? Not only is he up against one of the game’s premier pitchers but he’s also facing a team that has lost 17 games in a row. No one wants to be the guy to end the Mariners’ streak, yet looking at today’s matchup – at least on paper, Phil must be favorite to do so. His confidence can’t exactly be sky high either. So in many ways, it’s a make or break game for him, at least as far as this year is concerned. Good luck fella.

  46. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    What is all of the drooling about Rasmus about? In 3 years, he hasn’t come close to the hype and was really nothing special in the minors, either. He’s a slightly more than decent outfielder, doesn’t produce runs, doesn’t hit for a lot of power and doesn’t steal bases. He’s more of a projection than anything and I prefer the projections of the kids on the farm over Rasmus.

  47. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    I just watched the end of the Pirates game last night…

    That is definitely the WORST CALL i have ever seen, short of the Gallaraga’s perfect game.

    ***************************************************************************

    I’ve seen worse.
    Cards vs Royals World Series back in the mid 80′s.
    Don Dekinger made a horrible call at 1st base.
    I’m sure a lot of you remember the play.

  48. CountryClub July 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Rasmus is overrated. However, I realize he’s also only 24 and can improve. But the Cardinals obviously know that and they still want to get rid of him. He’s supposedly uncoachable to boot. No thanks.

  49. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    from topprospectalert.com:

    The Chicago White Sox have acquired Toronto Blue Jays prospect Zach Stewart as part of a trade sending Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen to Toronto for Stewart and Jason Frasor. The 24 year old Stewart has long been a prospect in Blue Jays organization and made his major league debut in 2011 going 0-1 with a 4.86ERA for Toronto in 16.2 innings of work. At Double-A New Hampshire, Stewart has posted a 5-5 record with a 4.26ERA. He has 74 strikeouts in 94.1 innings and Eastern League batters were hitting a pretty hefty .286 against him. Stewart was originally a third round pick of the Cincinnati Reds back in 2008. He came to Toronto in the deal that sent Scott Rolen to the Reds back in 2009.

  50. Chip July 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Sounds like once the money gets worked out Rasmus will be a Blue Jay.

    Toronto will have to give up something other than Edwin Jackson to get him and it appears that the prospect they sent back to Chicago along with Frasor is Toronto’s version of Dellin Betances.

    So before we go crucifying Cashman let’s see what the final deal is. If Toronto ends up giving up Stewart and say Kyle Drabek along with Edwin Jackson to get Rasmus the question becomes, would you have been willing to give up Banuelos, Betances and another player for Rasmus?

  51. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Nova is definitely in a pending deal for a starter. My guess is Jimenez. Once he comes off the DL, we’ll know the nature of the deal that has been made.

    There’s no way Cash would pass at a chance for Rasmus unless he thought he could do something more with Nova.

    The Cards were really desperate for a starter – just as I’ve been saying all along.

    Nova for Rasmus is a no brainer but Cash passed.

    I bet he has a good reason.

  52. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    MTU,

    If the Cards trade Rasmus for Edwin Jackson then that’ll be way worse than what Kenny Williams did…….

  53. Shame Spencer July 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    blake – I’m with you!! Jackson for Rasmus is ridiculous! People on here were talking Hughes + for him… Cash should get on the horn asap.

  54. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    “They empower you to have choices when say, a Cliff Lee, decides to go to Philly instead.”

    Except the choice of the Yanks is usually to go out and get a veteran instead.
    _____
    Only because we haven’t had the player in the system. Baseball has changed; teams are locking up their young players long-term. We will always sign viable free agents to complement our team, but Cash has stated over and over again that he doesn’t want to be dependent on other teams’ players and FA’s. It is the new mlb. We won’t win if we don’t shed the outmoded way of thinking about player personnel. Thus, the reason we rebuilt the farm. Cash knows this, now let’s see if Hal and Hank let him do his job for the good of the Yankees present and future.

  55. austinmac July 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    I don’t see how any moves today, rumored or otherwise, suggest Ubaldo to the Yankees.

  56. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    bruceb July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    Has anyone considered just how much pressure Phil Hughes is under today? Not only is he up against one of the game’s premier pitchers but he’s also facing a team that has lost 17 games in a row. No one wants to be the guy to end the Mariners’ streak, yet looking at today’s matchup – at least on paper, Phil must be favorite to do so. His confidence can’t exactly be sky high either. So in many ways, it’s a make or break game for him, at least as far as this year is concerned. Good luck fella.
    *****************************************************************
    Hughes is his own worst enemy. I have already began to wonder if he is better suited to come out of the bullpen for the Yankees.
    Sooner or later Yankee fans have to admit that all the hype that came with Hughes several years ago was “hype”.
    Maybe he’s not the savior or the kind of pitcher that can win 20 games often.
    Maybe he’s not the type of starting pitcher that can be counted on during the course of a season.
    Maybe he will never be the type of starter that earns the role as the ace or #2 starter.

  57. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Joelsherman1 1 hour Like may others hear buzz Jackson is being re-directed to the Cardinals, perhaps with a reliever with Rasmus involved. But not official

  58. Chip July 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
    What is all of the drooling about Rasmus about? In 3 years, he hasn’t come close to the hype and was really nothing special in the minors, either. He’s a slightly more than decent outfielder, doesn’t produce runs, doesn’t hit for a lot of power and doesn’t steal bases. He’s more of a projection than anything and I prefer the projections of the kids on the farm over Rasmus.

    —————–

    Um…I think you’re thinking of the wrong player.

    Rasmus – in a bad rookie year – had 16 HR & 52 RBI

    Last year he upped that to 23 & 66 while posting an OPS+ of 133

    This year he’s been down again.

    Congratulations, he is to position players what Phil Hughes is to pitchers.

  59. SoS July 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I dont know about you guys but I think this means Felix is going to pitch for the Yankees today.

  60. upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    In some respects it could be less pressure on Phil:
    The Yankees have already won the series
    They are facing last year’s Cy Young winner, so expectations should be lower
    The Ms are going to start winning again at some point, they have had some close games

  61. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Nova (DL) is definitely in a pending deal for a starter. Once he comes off, we’ll know who. Might be Ubaldo, might be someone else.

  62. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Blake-

    I love us dealing with Williams. He’s easy to fleece. What a dope. Proves it over and over again.

    The way it seems to work with him it should be easy to get Danks for a song and a dance.

    :)

  63. CountryClub July 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Out of all the pitchers that are rumored to be available, I’d prefer Danks. Young, left handed, has pitched in AL and has a good contract.

  64. Captain Clutch July 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    I hope Cashman calls the W.Sox about Floyd or Danks. They are both young so the W.Sox will probably hang onto them but both are very good. They wouldn’t have to give up any of the top prospects for either one. Colon and Garcia have been very good but I think the chances of both of their arms being around in Sept-Oct is very slim.

  65. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Except Zach Stewart is more of a back-end of rotation starter. He is in no way in the class of a Betances or Banuelos. Or even a Nova. Stewart is not even a top 50 overall prospect.

  66. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    pcaldera King Felix Hernandez hasn’t allowed a run in his two career starts (both wins) at new Yankee Stadium (17 IP).

  67. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Anthopolis is a smart dude…..and he has more $$ to work with than Tampa. If he pulls of a trade for Rasmus …..by basically trading Jason Frasor then man……that’s quite a nice job.

  68. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I really don’t think it’s fair to say that if Cashman deals highly rated prospects it’s the owners to blame for the deal. If Cashman doesn’t want to make the deal he usually lets the world know it. He also should walk away if he is making deals he doesn’t want to make.

    I understand what happened with Soriano in the offseason wasn’t his choice, but to suggest a trade he makes involving young talent isn’t his idea/fault isn’t fair.

    I’m sure he’s quite happy with the deal he made for Granderson.

  69. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    MTU-

    Dust hasn’t settled yet. Just posted about Zach Stewart who some had rated in 2010 as having better command of his pitches than Kyle Drabek.

    Maybe Eric Thames is going along with Jackson. Who knows?

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    “….Cash has stated over and over again that he doesn’t want to be dependent on other teams’ players and FA’s.”

    **************

    Then the new Yankee mantra will be “making the post season” not winning it all, and we can watch the Red Sux from behind.

  71. bruceb July 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    upstate kate July 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    The Ms are going to start winning again at some point, they have had some close games

    I actually expect today’s game to be close. The one big advantage for Hughes is that he’s facing the worst offense in the AL so as long as doesn’t walk too many, he should get away with a few bad pitches (I hope!).

  72. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Joelsherman1 41 mins Heard 1 player who could move in #Mets #Giants Beltran deal is LH Jonathan Sanchez. Mets control thru 2012 so can keep or spin

    That’s would be a great return for the Mets.

  73. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Looks like the Yanks don’t see Montero as a catcher. They’re DHing him today.

  74. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Hughes is 24 years old. Hughes is 24 years old. Hughes is 24 year old.

    Keeping telling this to yourself. No one has to assume anything with him as he isn’t in his prime years yet and is a developing pitcher.

    What is there to hype? He utterly dominated the minors. Send him back down and he will do the same. He preformed better than all his peers. He has shown flashes of dominance as a starter. It’s consistency and development he needs. Will he be a top 10 pitcher in this league for year? Few guys are, but don’t know if anyone expects he will ever bump CC out of that spot.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Chambliss July 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    G. Love, I hear ya. Yankee fans cannot have their cake and eat it too. If they want to keep all of their prospects, they need to prepare for a few years of not making the postseason….
    ______
    Except this is a fallacy. We won with our prospects in 2009. Who do you think filled out the bullpen: Aceves, DRob, Joba, Hughes. This idea that you lose playing your prospects is a prospects “haters” flawed refrain. I would argue you win because you are not locked into long term contracts that block players and don’t allow for player development. If Bumgarner had been on the Yankees he would have been shipped out for decreased velocity. Fans would have been calling for Verlander to be traded too, when his velocity dipped. And there is nothing exceptional about collapsing all prospects and making some categorical statement about prospects. It just reveals a fan who hasn’t done his homework. Prospects don’t prevent you from winning. Repeat. Prospects don’t prevent you from winning. They empower you to have choices when say, a Cliff Lee, decides to go to Philly instead.
    ///

    Bumgarner is Joba, to me. The Giants saw the plan through with him, the Yanks cut Joba’s lifeline to the rotation.

    On fans not doing their homework: same group cried that Nova was being banished for privileged Phil, same group likes Noesi & Robertson, same group sucks up to Cano but wanted him dealt.

    It seems if you are still “literally” a prospect or a young player going through a tough time (Joba/Cano) you will fail & you should be dealt for somebody else’s better alternative.

    But if you’ve actually survived the Steinbrenner impulse & fan demand to turn a prospect or young player hitting a speed bump into someone else’s player, & have actually become a competent to great MLB player (Joba, Nova, Noesi, Robertson, Cano), then somehow you were never a prospect to begin with, & it was always obvious from “go” that you of course should be kept a Yankee & that you were bound for success.

  76. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Buster_ESPN 51 mins It’ll be interesting to see what STL gets for Rasmus, because sources say Cards were offered one of three TB SP: Niemann, Davis,Cobb.#trades

    Buster_ESPN 1 hour Source: Cardinals continue to talk about Rasmus deals with TOR, other teams. Rival executives say he is very much available.#trades

    Cash……get on the horn and leave the Jays stuck with Edwin Jackson…..unfortunately they likely never make the deal with the White Sox.unless something was close to already in place to spin him.

  77. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    YT-

    Not impressed at this point.

    I’m sure Williams will revert to form anyway:

    He’s traded for Rios, peavy, and Dunn, given away Swisher, traded away Gio Gonzalez, etc.

    The guy has a horrible track record IMO. Complete dork in general IMO. Should have been canned a long time ago.

    Hope he sticks around long enough for us to steal Danks from him too.

    ;)

  78. Captain Clutch July 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    It seems like the W.Sox gm loves to make moves….just to make a move.

  79. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Well except he just turned 25

    HAHA

  80. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    The way it seems to work with him it should be easy to get Danks for a song and a dance.
    ————————————
    MTU-

    One small detail-the WS are down to FA Buehrle, oft-injured Peavy, Humber, Floyd and Danks. Do they make Chris Sale a starter and trade Danks or Floyd, or do they ask for a starter in return.

    Surprised they gave up on the season even though the next 5 games are against Tigers and Red Sox.

  81. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    blake,

    Don’t the Jays make strange moves just to acquire draft picks? I’m sure they’re trying to flip Jackson, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they saw his move as a way to get some picks after the season when he’s a free agent.

  82. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    YT-

    The WS are a team that just does not make any sense to me.

    Of course the fact that they have Williams as their GM and Guillen as their Manager does explain a lot.

    Too funny.

    :)

  83. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Jays new GM is a sharp guy. I thought the Bautista contract was a bit insane, but he is playing at a tremendous level again. He somehow got rid of the Wells contract. He has made some very nice moves.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    I really don’t think it’s fair to say that if Cashman deals highly rated prospects it’s the owners to blame for the deal. If Cashman doesn’t want to make the deal he usually lets the world know it. He also should walk away if he is making deals he doesn’t want to make.
    ///

    You mean, like when he let the world know he didn’t want to deal that No. 1 draft pick for Soriano??? Did he have the chance to “walk away” from that? I think not.

    He has said over & over again that he wants to upgrade, but he doesn’t want to pay the price, & that he “has bosses.” I don’t think that’s a man looking for someone else to be the fall guy. I think he realizes he has owners who may see things differently & acknowledges that these decisions aren’t only his to make.

  85. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    You can be “down” on Rasmus, but to claim him overrated or not worth the trouble is completely dishonest.

    Rasmus SLG was .498 last year, with a .222 ISO (.185 over 2 1/2 seasons)… saying he has no power is ridiculous… especially as a lefty in YS. He’ll steal 15-20 bags over a full season. He has a 10% walk rate and if he ever cuts down his K’s he’ll be one of the top 20 OF bats in the league.

  86. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    I don’t care if Hughes is 24 or 25.
    How many opportunities will it take for Hughes to prove he is NOT a top flight MLB
    starter?
    And if that proves to be true, there is room for him out of the pen in the future.

  87. Mike Ri July 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    A trade of Rasmus to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Dotel, and Rzepczynski is imminent, reports Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He says an announcement could come early this afternoon.

  88. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    G.Love,

    That’s probably their plan B with him.

  89. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Jay Cards rumor is

    Jackson, Dotel and Rzepcynski for Rasmus

    A steal for the Jays and a big push for Cards to try and win it this year with Big Al’s pending free agency.

  90. CompassRosy July 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Rosy no matter what happens today it’s always a pleasure having you.
    Saw your post. Sorry about Hasselback.
    =======================================

    Thanks, Bronx.

    Hey, the ManU game aside, at least the Sounders are doing well :-)

  91. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    So Rasmus for an Edwin Jackson rental, Dotel, Rzepcynski and 2 draft picks for EJAX after the season is over.

  92. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    The Bautista contract is a steal if he keeps playing like he has.

  93. Captain Clutch July 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Very weird trade for Cardinals. But maybe they are trying to “go for it all” this year not knowing what will happen with Pujols? How do you trade a good, young, cheap CF for Jackson and a bunch of bullpen guys?? Very odd.

  94. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Mike Ri – if that’s accurate, that’s not bad for StL. While Jackson and Dotel are both serviceable, and likely gone after this year, Rzepcynski has good potential and will be under team control for longer. So, the Cards get significant pitching help for this season, as well as a shot at a good young pitcher going forward – all for a guy who was not a fit over there.

  95. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Joelsherman1 27 secs Lind, Snider, Arencibia has chance be young, controllable, powerful for while #Bluejays

    Joelsherman1 2 mins If Anthopolous gets high-ceiling OF (Rasmus) for mainly fungible pen arms coup for #Bluejays Future lineup Bautista, Rasmus, Lawrie (cont)

    Yup…..

  96. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    How many opportunities does it take for him not to be a top flight MLB pitcher?

    He dominated for half a season last year and made the All Star team. He dropped off second half.

    His struggles and wearing down is nothing new when you look at most pitchers his age. Guys like Verlander included.

    I mean come on. You act like he has never shown anything ever. He won 18 games last year. Even on the great Yankees teams with run support how many guys were winning 18 games consistently?

  97. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Edwin Jackson should be a Type A, so the Cards will get too picks on top of this in the next draft.

  98. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    WC, no, they are not diametrically opposed. You should win it all more often with a solid, talented, and young (resilient) core. How did winning it all with Jason Giambi, Sheffield and Kevin Brown pitching a 7th game work out for us?

  99. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Yanks can justify a lot of non – trades with getting Soriano and Chavez back, plus Alex in a few weeks… And regarding pitching, our top competitor is also struggling to find good and healthy starting pitching….

  100. Against All Odds July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I forgot who it wasn’t but wasn’t there a poster on here touting the Jays as the next team to look out for?

  101. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Jay Cards rumor is

    Jackson, Dotel and Rzepcynski for Rasmus

    A steal for the Jays and a big push for Cards to try and win it this year with Big Al’s pending free agency.
    ———————————————-
    Cards needed pitching. Now I think the Reds will go all in and try to get Jimenez to keep up and have a chance to win the central.

  102. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Nova could’ve been used to acquire Rasmus.

    He had better be in a pending deal for something better.

  103. Captain Clutch July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Buster_ESPN Assuming that the Jackson/Rzepczynski/Dotel for Rasmus deal is done,at year’s end,STL will have a lefty reliever/draft pick for Colby Rasmus

  104. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    I really don’t think it’s fair to say that if Cashman deals highly rated prospects it’s the owners to blame for the deal. If Cashman doesn’t want to make the deal he usually lets the world know it. He also should walk away if he is making deals he doesn’t want to make.
    ///

    You mean, like when he let the world know he didn’t want to deal that No. 1 draft pick for Soriano??? Did he have the chance to “walk away” from that? I think not.

    He has said over & over again that he wants to upgrade, but he doesn’t want to pay the price, & that he “has bosses.” I don’t think that’s a man looking for someone else to be the fall guy. I think he realizes he has owners who may see things differently & acknowledges that these decisions aren’t only his to make.
    ______
    Exactly.

  105. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    ESPN NY is reporting the Yankees have “TBA” listed for every single game this weekend
    vs the o’s.
    Very interesting!!!

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan July 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Uncle Heyman is all over the trade deadline proving again why he is the most connected national baseball reporter out there.

  107. Phranchise July 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    By the same token

    Jiminez hasn’t proven to be a MLB starter either, pitching in a lesser dividision and league

  108. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

    Best of luck Phil.

  109. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    Looks like the Yanks don’t see Montero as a catcher. They’re DHing him today.
    _________
    Then best to ship him out of town immediately. ;)

  110. MTU July 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Joe-

    Rep whatever his name sucks.

    Soft tosser with a low ceiling.

  111. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Bret-

    Edwin Jackson: The Scott Boras client will head to free agency after the season most likely as a Type B. He has about $2.9MM remaining on his contract this year.

  112. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Perhaps one of the bigger issues with Rasmus is the interference of his father….from going to the press about playing time to hitting and everything inbetween. No team is going to deal with that for long, regardless of talent level. If young Rasmus isn’t mature enough at age 24 to tell his father to but out of his life, he won’t be anytime soon. This won’t be the last time Rasmus gets traded.

  113. Shame Spencer July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    One team we know we won’t be reading about today: the Angels.

  114. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Trader,

    I think Jackson will be a Type A because he was an ALL star last year and the best pitcher on the White Sox. Now he’s going to dominate in the NL, land where Karstens is king.

  115. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Look at the two teams that made offers for Rasmus……Rays and Jays. Two organizations that know what they are doing.

  116. Mike Ri July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    ESPN NY is reporting the Yankees have ?TBA? listed for every single game this weekend
    vs the o?s.
    Very interesting!!!

    ———-

    Whats the reason ?

  117. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Wow. Considering we were trading Nova and Gardner or Hughes and Gardner for Rasmus, I think some of you were clearly overpaying for the guy.

    The Yankees and Red Sox must not like Rasmus much since that haul is pretty awful for him.

  118. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    Looks like the Yanks don’t see Montero as a catcher. They’re DHing him today.
    _________
    Then best to ship him out of town immediately.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Yep, I agree. Ship him from Scranton to NY’s Yankee Stadium. It’s time.

  119. G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    For the record I really wanted Rasmus just for the potential that his Dad would come to the blog and spar with us.

  120. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    A few nights ago Romine, Sanchez and Murphy were kept out of their games.

    Have any of them played since being pulled?

    Are any of them still MIA?

    I wonder if Nova (DL) is in a pending deal with one of them included.

    Also, have Betances or Banuelos pitched since Romine, Sanchez and Murphy were kept out?

  121. Kelvin July 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Beltran to giants for Sanchez or prospects. Not a bad deal for metropolitans

  122. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    G. Love July 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    For the record I really wanted Rasmus just for the potential that his Dad would come to the blog and spar with us.

    *****************************

    :lol:

  123. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I_JonHeyman 4 mins #sfgiants in position to land beltran. #phillies not quite giving up. but deal with sf could get done soon. #tradedeadline

  124. Betsy July 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    We actually don’t know what Hughes is capable of doing – we don’t even know if his arm is truly healthy. In 2/3 starts, he had zero swings and misses with his FB – that’s alarming, regardless of velocity.

    This is only a big game if he pitches badly because if he does, I think he’s going to be sent down to the minors – for more rehab on his arm, perhaps, or to work on things. If he pitches well, it’s not going to tell us anything. It’s a start by start thing for Hughes until he shows some consistently solid work.,

  125. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Could it be Nova + (pick one) Romine/Sanchez/Murphy + (pick one) Betances/Banuelos are in a pending deal for John Danks?

  126. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    Look at the two teams that made offers for Rasmus……Rays and Jays. Two organizations that know what they are doing.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If Tampa had gotten him, can you imagine that clubhouse with both Rasmus and Upton?

  127. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Brett, Sanchez and Romine played yesterday. Murphy is on the DL.

  128. UnKnown July 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Is Posada OK batting 8th today?

  129. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    *Bret* sorry, one “t”

  130. blake July 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    GB,

    I don’t think Upton will be around much longer in Tampa.

  131. yankeefeminista July 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Bret, Cash would never make that deal.

  132. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Ok thanks for the info.

    Like I said, Nova better be in a pending deal for something better than Rasmus.

  133. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Could it be Nova + (pick one) Romine/Sanchez/Murphy + (pick one) Betances/Banuelos are in a pending deal for John Danks?

    __

    too much for Danks.

  134. blake July 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Sanchez.would be a really nice return for Beltran.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    The two Trenton Bs are on their regular turn. Banuelos pitching tonight on road, Betances tomorrow at home.

  136. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    Could it be Nova + (pick one) Romine/Sanchez/Murphy + (pick one) Betances/Banuelos are in a pending deal for John Danks?

    ****************************

    that seems like a lot for Danks

  137. Erin July 27th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Game Post up

    :arrow:

    (best of luck to those of you going into said game post) ;)

  138. ac1 July 27th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    felix has NOT been lights out this year…
    yankees should watch film of his last start vs. bsoton and figure out how other teams are hitting him.

  139. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    I don’t think Upton will be around much longer in Tampa.
    //

    Certainly looking that way. He’s the guy they probably are afraid to trade, because he might figure it out elsewhere, but sounds like it may finally happen.

  140. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    YankeeFem, has TY said anything about the Yanks changing Cody Johnson’s stance at the plate? Another homer today. Now hitting .400 with 3 doubles and 3 homers in now 9 games. Has to be the ugliest stance and hand position in baseball. He is still striking out, but, at least it’s dropped from 50% to 33% so far.

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