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Cashman: “I’m going to be hard-pressed to find anything better”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m not at the HOPE Week event today, but Brian Cashman is, and he told reporters that he doesn’t expect to make a move before Sunday’s trade deadline.

“I’m going to be hard-pressed to find anything better than getting Bartolo Colon and Phil Hughes off the disabled list,” Cashman said. “I can’t imagine I’m going to run into anything, but you’ve still got to go through the motions.”

Obviously this could be nonsense, but that’s the way it goes with a general manager on the record at the trade deadline. Given the current team and the current marketplace, I wouldn’t be stunned to see the Yankees hold off on making a move. It’s not all that difficult to get a piece after the deadline, and I’m not sure the Yankees can say with absolute certainty what they need. There are some obvious parts of the roster that could be upgraded, but there are also a lot of in-house pieces that could provide those upgrades.

It’s the Yankees, so it’s hard to be shocked one way or the other.

“I go into the marketplace with a team that’s a championship-caliber team as it sits,” Cashman said. “It’s hard to upgrade on that.”

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217 Responses to “Cashman: “I’m going to be hard-pressed to find anything better””

  1. West Coast Yankee Fan July 28th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    BREAKING NEWS VIA JON HEYMAN TWEET:

    Jerkface has been dealt to the Bleacher Report for a rusty abacus and a 45 of Edwin Starr’s song, “War What Is It Good For – Absolutely Nothing.”

  2. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    NYYrumors

    Yanks official “Japan sucks”

    8 minutes ago

  3. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Obviously this could be nonsense, but that’s the way it goes with a general manager on the record at the trade deadline

    Agreed – there’s not a GM out there who is going to say, “yeah our team is in real trouble, we have to make a deal” or “Sure, I would be willing to part with all my top guys for a mid-level player”

    Getting lathered up about what a GM says (or what he’s reported to have said) is silly. Not just this time of year, but any time of year. It makes absolutely zero sense for the GM of any team in any sport to put out for public consumption what his plans are.

  4. stuart a July 28th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    good news. now call up montero and let him hit…

    they are losing jorge and minimum 1 catcher this offseason and they need romine and montero to replace theat as a minimum..

    jiminez would be an upgrade for sure but if the price does not fall pass….

    colon and garcia will be gone next season so that is 2 starter spots also…. they have the peices within un less a true stud is avaialble but to trade for kuroda for what? he is absolutely worth no top end prospects…

  5. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Nothing out there is better than Phil Hughes? Is he talking about Phil Hughes 2010 or the one we have now which looks like a more lost, out of shape version of that 2010 Phil Hughes?

    Wonder if Grienke would have fared well here…?

  6. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    NYYrumors

    Yanks official “Japan sucks”

    ———-

    Hey – keep it classy Bret.

  7. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Which catcher are the Yanks losing? I would be happy tho, if they dropped Cervelli.

  8. austinmac July 28th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    I believe Cashman. He seems to truly believe what he says. If true, bring up Montero and hope he hits.

    I bet the Sox will not stand pat despite a .800 plus winning percentage over the past month.

  9. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    Nothing out there is better than Phil Hughes? Is he talking about Phil Hughes 2010 or the one we have now which looks like a more lost, out of shape version of that 2010 Phil Hughes?

    Wonder if Grienke would have fared well here…?

    —————-

    Do you really expect the GM of the team to say “geez, Hughes stinks – I don’t trust Garcia at all in a big spot; we really need to make a move”? Does that help the team in any way?

  10. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Chip,

    I’m throwing that out there so nobody else has to.

  11. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Why would Garcia and Colon be sure fire losses next year? There’s something out there that says they can’t resign them? (Assuming they’d want to of course).

  12. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    2 great jokes that definitely needed to see another thread! Japan is a great country full of hardworking people and one of the best yankees ever was japanese.

  13. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I’m going to leave you alone now. I can see there is some hypersensitivity
    when it comes to Montero. I won’t be stoking the fire. Trade deadline’s
    supposed to be fun for everyone. But dang, please drop the Kuroda stuff.
    —————————-
    Sorry Bret-

    But I and many others, not just Jerkface, don’t see the need to include
    your #1 offensive force in Montero for a #2 pitcher, with red flags swirling
    around him. Now if it were a trade
    for another young hitter OK.

  14. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Didn’t say I expected the GM to say anything. But I did wonder if there was anything better out there than Phil Hughes… and there probably is. The real question is – is it worth the cost (in prospects)?

  15. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Ok, well I hope he’s just BSing

  16. Vineyard Yankee July 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Sometimes the best moves you make are the ones that you don’t. Free Jesus !

  17. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    I hope they do keep Montero. I’d also like to see him called up before July 31 to see if he can hit at the ML level.

  18. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    It’s a baseball joke, not real life. Baseball is just a game. I harbor no ill feelings towards Japan, it’s culture or its people. It was merely a short way to echo sentiment around the game that Japanese pitchers tend to tank more than they excel.

  19. CompassRosy July 28th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 11:50 am
    When is Seattle going to acknowledge that they have no choice but to go into full-blown rebuilding mode?
    ============================================

    They ARE in full-blown re-building mode. You don’t start 13 rookies before the All Star Break if you’re not ;-) Anyhoo, this was my reasoning re: keeping Felix prior to the game yesterday…

    FWIW ~

    Here’s my teal two cents on why it doesn’t make sense for the M’s to trade Felix…

    Any trade involving a pitcher of his caliber would demand major league proven talent in return – and a LOT of it (not necessarily in terms of quantity but definitely quality). The M’s are rebuilding (that is a fact known from the start of ST), that they were able to compete a bit in May and June was a tribute to their pitching staff. A rebuilding team isn’t necessarily in a position to acquire top notch veteran talent (at least not in the middle of a season where it is apparent they are going nowhere fast). Their top priority is to assess the talent they have – bring up the kids who are excelling in the minors and see what you’ve really got – in order to determine what they need going forward and how best to get it – who has value in trade, who adds value to the team.

    Some have mentioned teams don’t usually build around pitching. Well, that may be true or not, I don’t really know. What I do know is that Safeco Field is a pitcher’s park and that has to be considered as the rebuilding progresses. The strength of this team (despite their blip on this road trip) is pitching. IMO – you find ways to strengthen your weaknesses without weakening your strengths. You find a way to keep Felix and Michael (25 and 22 respectively) at the top of your rotation while getting creative in improving the offense. You don’t flush top notch pitching for veterans that really aren’t going to make a difference or unproven minor league talent.

  20. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    It was merely a short way to echo sentiment around the game that Japanese pitchers tend to tank more than they excel.

    Every race of pitcher tanks more than they excel.

  21. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Joelsherman1
    BTW, not just #Yankees #Redsox I hear #Reds #Tigers also unwilling to load up multiple big prospects for Jimenez #Rockies

    not shocking. Something smells fishy over there in Colorado.

  22. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Peter Gammons
    Rocks, M’s have Yanks vs. Red Sox on Jiminez, Bedard. Will Yanks do Banuelos or Betances, Tigers Turner? Sox Wieland, Middlebrooks, A kids?
    3 minutes ago via web

  23. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    If you can get get Kuroda for spare change, sure, do it. But if you have to put any top talent in the deal it doesn’t make a lot of sense for another #3 pitcher.

  24. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Sox Wieland, Middlebrooks,
    Yanks do Banuelos or Betances

    Does not compute, does not compute

  25. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    But if you have to put any top talent in the deal it doesn’t make a lot of sense for another #3 pitcher.

    I think its pretty clear Cashman isn’t giving up top 5-top 10 guys for Kuroda. I’d expect phelps/warren/mitchell/noesi that group to get the bump.

  26. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Posting fees are pretty gay though. oops, another slur.

  27. Mike Ri July 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    What big prospects do the Red Sox have ??

  28. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Gammons is an idiot. The Yanks will not be giving up either of the Killer B’s for either UJ or EB. Sounds like Cash wouldn’t even give the Rox either for UJ alone. Just Montero and a lesser prospect.

  29. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Bret, you should probably check yourself, lest you wreck yourself.

  30. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Andrew Marchand
    As usual during trade season, I would take Cashman’s public comments with a grain — or a pound — of salt. #trades
    1 minute ago via

  31. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Bedard if he stays healthy (repeat: if) would be very handy vs the Red Sox in the post-season. In 189 PAs current Red Sox hitters have a .549 OPS against him.

  32. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Wieland and Middlebrooks. Tho they’re not ranked nearly as high as Montero, Betances or Banuelos.

  33. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    …the condition of Viciedo’s thumb at AAA. Would replace Quentin for #WhiteSox. Hasn’t played since Saturday. #Braves #tradedeadline #MLB

  34. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    “I think its pretty clear Cashman isn’t giving up top 5-top 10 guys for Kuroda. I’d expect phelps/warren/mitchell/noesi that group to get the bump.”

    Well that’s what they are there for, apparently.

  35. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    In 189 PAs current Red Sox hitters have a .549 OPS against him.

    Any of that recent? Bedard had a great curve in b-more, but every time I’ve seen him in a mariners uniform he has been dead or dying. I went to the may game at yankee stadium where he got shellacked.

  36. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    ESPN:

    Here is what we’ve got.

    The Yankees are waiting for the Rockies price to go down on Ubaldo Jimenez, according to a baseball official with knowledge of the situation. They like Jimenez, but they aren’t going to pay Felix Hernandez prices for Jimenez.

    On Hiroki Kuroda, the Yankees like him, too. Buster Olney and I have reported that Kuroda will consider waiving his no-trade clause, however the Yankees don’t know if he will come to New York or not.

    Brian Cashman, as Matt Ehalt wrote in the previous post, is playing down the idea of a trade. He does this every year and then makes a trade so I would stay tuned.

  37. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Wonder, when Cashman gets into the dunktank today for Hope week, f he’ll be wearing a waterproof bluetooth earpiece to continue his trade talk? :)

  38. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    It?s a baseball joke, not real life.

    ************

    good one. :roll:

  39. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    I love it when the trade deadline approaches and I learn all about these new top prospects the red sox have conjured up out of peter gammon’s yellow, stank mouth.

    Kyle Weiland, 3 ERA and 4 bb/9! Super prospect!

  40. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    “Any of that recent? ”

    We are talking Erik Bedard here.

  41. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    He’s the best they got. I don’t consider him a super anything.

  42. bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    If Cashman stands pat……..so does the Yankees number of championships (27)…..not a chance in hell this team wins a playoff series (if they make it) with the pitching it has

  43. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    BTW, I’ve read how Bedard’s personally is about 25x worse than Mussina’s was.

  44. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Can’t wait for this:

    JimmyTraina Yankee fans, here’s an extended trailer for the Derek Jeter documentary airing on HBO at 9pm tonight. http://itsh.bo/nW6dpD

  45. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    not a chance in hell this team wins a playoff series (if they make it) with the pitching it has

    Every team has a chance in the playoffs. The Yankees went into 09 with CC, AJ, and Pettitte. AJ and Pettitte = Colon, Garcia 2011

  46. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Playoffs isn’t about the best team on paper, it’s about who’s the hottest at that moment. (see Giants, San Francisco).

  47. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    BTW, I’ve read how Bedard’s personally is about 25x worse than Mussina’s was.

    ==========

    CompassRosy
    5-4-3-2-1

  48. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Cashman should try to get Pavano back.

    End joke.

  49. bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Every team has a chance in the playoffs. The Yankees went into 09 with CC, AJ, and Pettitte. AJ and Pettitte = Colon, Garcia 2011

    That’s IF Colon and Garcia stay healthy and hold up during this stretch run, by the way….

    Red Sox have a better rotation come playoff time than New York…. period.

    CC > Lester
    Colon < Beckett
    Garcia < Lackey

  50. hardwired7 July 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    “Gammons is an idiot.”

    He’s actually anything but an idiot. He’s an invaluable member of the Red Sox propaganda machine.

    Year-in and year-out he dramatically overvalues Boston’s marginal prospects through his never-ending hype machine to the point that rival GMs simply can’t help themselves, invariably falling into the “What the hell did I just do?” trap. He’s a marketing genius.

  51. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Bedard absolutely hates the media, but I’ve not heard he is a bad teammate persay. He is from a small town in canada and just likes to be alone. I felt like Mussina was more antagonistic, where as Bedard would simply try to shut everything down. Moose was too smart for the dudes covering him.

  52. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Red Sox have a better rotation come playoff time than New York…. period.

    And the twins had a better rotation in 09 and the angels in 09 and the phillies in 09. Blah blah blah.

  53. G-C July 28th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    How in the world is John Lackey better than Freddy Garcia?

    Are you kidding?

  54. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    How in the world is John Lackey better than Freddy Garcia?

    Are you kidding?

    3 era vs 6 era, Lackey is obviously twice as good, he is worth 2 Garcia’s.

  55. austinmac July 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power. Plus they have stocked up on draft picks. They can swing a deal if they choose. Just because they are the enemy doesn’t mean we should overlook reality.

  56. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Looking at Baltimores troubles with their pitching. Would you trade Hughes for Markakis? What would it take to land someone like that?

  57. bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Every team has a chance in the playoffs. The Yankees went into 09 with CC, AJ, and Pettitte. AJ and Pettitte = Colon, Garcia 2011

    —-

    Also, the 2009 Yankees lineup was exponentially better than the 2011 version

    Jeter was not a joke in 09 — now he is

    ARod was a 30, 100 guy

    Teixeira was about the same then as now

    Posada could hold his own — not anymore

  58. G-C July 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    I don’t see the Yankees pitching as being consequential in the playoffs this year one way or the other.

    Regardless, its the offense that will decide this team’s playoff fate, just like they do every single year.

    In 2009, we won a World Series because the bats didn’t go into what has become an all too typical postseason slumber against pitchers like Colby Lewis, Kenny Rogers, and Paul Byrd.

    If they hit, we’ll win.

  59. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Breaking news:

    Cashman says that its going to be difficult to find someone better at their role than Serge Mitre and Ramiero Pena but that he’s obligated to look anyway.

  60. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Shoulda got beltran. We can still salvage this by calling up Montero.

  61. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Cash is using the media to downplay his stance.
    Great move. Genius!

    Look for a trade before Sunday or two now that Cash had basically said the opposite.

  62. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    “Shoulda got beltran. We can still salvage this by calling up Montero.”

    Shoukda got Rasmus……I wouldn’t have matched the price for Beltran..

  63. bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    G-C

    pitching is what wins in the playoffs

    in 2009, CC, AJ, Pettitte all pitched lights out (save for a couple starts)

    obviously you need to hit, but pitching is ALWAYS the most important factor

  64. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    People who think “gammons creates a buzz” for the Red Sox prospects are dillusional. He’s a reporter. General managers don’t make decsioins based on a stroke ridden old man who works for the Red Sox; all of them have scouts, advanced scouts, talent evaluators, and professional coaches who see these kids before they trade for them.
    Nobody makes a trade because Gammons said they’re great. If they did, we’d have seen Montero gone two years ago.

  65. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    So glad the Yankees did not trade for Rasmus.
    The guy is not a great clubhouse guy. Yankees usually like to keep the clubhouse positive.
    Cards could not wait to get rid of this guy and vice versa.
    Rasmus basically disqualified himself from playing in The Bronx.

  66. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    If the Yanks were going to give Montero meaningful playing time in 2011 I think they would have by now.

    We should hope that Montero is traded by Sunday because that means the Yanks will have gotten a player they will use for one that they won’t.

  67. bruceb July 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Championship-caliber team. Really?

  68. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    People who think “gammons creates a buzz” for the Red Sox prospects are dillusional. He’s a reporter. General managers don’t make decsioins

    Some teams make decisions based around PR. Not saying Gammons makes this happen, but its not like teams ignore the media 100%. There were a bunch of tweets this deadline about teams not making moves because of media backlash on giving up too much/getting too little

  69. yanks 27 July 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    “And the twins had a better rotation in 09 and the angels in 09 and the phillies in 09. Blah blah blah.”

    The Twins never had a better rotation than the 09 Yankees. Pavano was their ace. A guy out of the bullpen was their game 1 starter vs. CC (because of game 163). Blackburn, Slowey, etc. are slider-speed mediocrity that pose no threat to us.

    The Angels ace was Jon Lackey. Joe Saunders was their #2 starter. Weaver had a 3.7 ERA that year.

    The Philly had Cliff Lee and a bunch of question marks. Pedro? A burnt out Hamels? Blanton?

    Competition is much stiffer this year.

  70. jacksquat July 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Peter Gammons
    Rocks, M’s have Yanks vs. Red Sox on Jiminez, Bedard. Will Yanks do Banuelos or Betances, Tigers Turner? Sox Wieland, Middlebrooks, A kids?
    3 minutes ago via web

    Look at this douchebag try to equate the RS remaining scraps to top prospects in the game.

  71. Phranchise July 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    The Sox don’t have any prospects of note to offer in a trade that are anywhere close to helping a team. AA guys hold limited value no matter who you are, the same is true of the Yankees guys. And the Yankees guys are far better as it stands. That’s the price of a Gonzales trade.

    The Sox top two are better than the Yankees top two as it sits today. Lester/Beckett and CC/whomever. That’s the sole issue with the playoffs. Two stud starters drives your chances of success up quite a bit. Sox bullpen isn’t better. And with Bucholz potentially with a serious back issue, the rest of their rotation is nothing to boast about. Overall rotation the Yankees have a better five and six if you include Nova. Miller, Wakefield, Lackey, Aceves or AJ, Garcia, Nova, Hughes and Colon.

    The Yankees at least need a reliable Andy Pettite type. A Mark Buerhle I would feel very comfortable with in the playoffs. You know he has been there, is a lefty and competes. I am being realistic on what they could hope for.

  72. Tabbert July 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    yea, but the red sox have a much better offense as well.

    If cashman honestly thinks that this current team is better than boston, or texas, or philly, he doesn’t deserve to be a GM in major league baseball. It’s one thing to be confident in your team but yo just have blind faith in them is ridiculous.

    Yankees pitching <<<Boston
    Yankees Offense Boston

    Yankees pitching = RAngers pitching, could give yanks a sligh nod.
    Yankees Offense Rangers

    Yankees Pitching <<<<<<<<<< Phillies offense
    Yanks pen > Phillies Pen.

    If we played either of the teams in the playoffs we would currently not have home field advantage. Do you really trust anyone on our staff outside of CC to shut down the rangers and the sox? Didn’t think so.

    Cliff lee has dominated us and there is no reason to think that we would start hitting him now. Not to mention how our offense will just shut it down for a week at a time. Talk about facing LEE, Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, even Worley. Offense will be dead the entire world series.

    Don’t get me wrong… yanks have a really good team but for him to honestly believe that we have the advantage over any of those teams is absolute crazy talk. We do not match up well vs any of those teams.

  73. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Johan Santana anyone?

  74. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    http://seattlesportsnet.com/20.....-washburn/ (Eric Bedard stuff)

  75. G-C July 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    “obviously you need to hit, but pitching is ALWAYS the most important factor”

    _________________________________________

    One isn’t any more important than the other.

    Just as many teams over the past decade have slugged their way to championships as ones that have pitched their way to championships.

    The Yankees have to do both reasonably well in the postseason to have a chance. Last year, they pitched reasonably well and didn’t hit at all.

    Their biggest “problem” the past decade has been an inability to hit playoff pitching. I’m not talking about elite playoff pitchers. I’m talking about fungible guys like Colby Lewis, Paul Byrd, and Kenny Rogers, the types of guys who have made handling the Yankees look all too easy the past ten years.

  76. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    # bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    If Cashman stands pat……..so does the Yankees number of championships (27)…..not a chance in hell this team wins a playoff series (if they make it) with the pitching it has
    ———————————————————–
    interesting I would say..

  77. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    Cashman should try to get Pavano back.

    End joke.

    ————-

    Cashman did try to get Pavano back.

  78. G. Love July 28th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Howard,

    You’re completely wrong. Gammons brings names of Red Sox prospects into the conversation that were otherwise unknown. His incessant praise and pimping of them create an aura that the Red Sox have gold in their hills. His grandiose projections for them peak people’s interest.

    Gammons keeps their names in the national forefront. No other team in baseball has a national reporter pimping their prospects and their potential.

    He creates buzz where there is none and he usually creates it to help the Red Sox make a deal. He’s a front office shill. It’s a competitive advantage no other team possesses.

    A GM who trades for a highly buzzed Red Sox prospect can turn to their fanbase and say, “we got the guy everyone was buzzing about!” when a team trades a good player to Boston.

    Yes, they scout the Red Sox and should be able to tell you know what from shinola, but his hype and his declarations about where these prospects slot in the game are for real.

    If the Red Sox get Ubaldo w/a package centered around Middlebrooks & Weiland somehow, Gammons should get the credit for the trade.

    Those are 2 names they’ve been promoting for over a month now that seemed to truly come out of nowhere.

  79. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    I guess we’re lucky then that we actually play games on the field instead of on paper eh?

  80. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Chip – I meant now.

  81. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Kenny Rogers was playing dirty. >:-(

  82. bayerbl July 28th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Yankees have not improved from last years team that lost in 6 games to Texas….

    The dumbest thing you can do is….doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result

    That’s basically what Cashman is doing with this year’s team…

    Has not even improved the rotation

    He has 1 reliable pitcher —- if they make it to October

    Last year he at least had 2 guys you could theoretically trust (granted CC had 1 bad start and 1 good one)

  83. MaineYankee July 28th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    austinmac July 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power. Plus they have stocked up on draft picks. They can swing a deal if they choose. Just because they are the enemy doesn’t mean we should overlook reality.

    —————————————————————————————-

    I think he’s the one the RS radio guys were saying would end up playing somewhere other than catcher.

  84. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Cliff Lee can be got. Game 5 of the world series. And phillies offense/bullpen is terrible
    Texas better than the Yankees? No way.

    In any red sox yankee matchup you can toss out the paper stats because it always ends up evenly matched.

  85. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Last year he at least had 2 guys you could theoretically trust (granted CC had 1 bad start and 1 good one)

    -

    Hey look you’ve just self-discovered the answers to your own worries.

  86. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Overall rotation the Yankees have a better five and six if you include Nova. Miller, Wakefield, Lackey, Aceves or AJ, Garcia, Nova, Hughes and Colon.

    I agree with this, but in the last month, they’ve had Lester, Beckett, Buchholz all miss significant time and have gone 19-3 in their last 22. They’ve bludgened teams, and that includes teams with good pitchers like last week.
    If they were to add a 3 starter to replace Buchholz, it’s not a good thing, as 90% of the time, they don’t need them anyhow.
    I think if the Red Sox include Bard or Ellsbury in any trade, they get whomever they want.
    It would hurt their major league team somewhat,, especially Ellsbury, but Bard has been down right disgusting, and if you’re getting back an Ubaldo or that ilk, I think it probably levels out.
    Likewise, I think moving Robertson makes every deal more plausable. Teams would much rather have DRob than Nova.

  87. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 18 mins #rangers making progress on heath bell. if they get him, it’ll be up to wash who closes –bell or feliz. #tradedeadline

  88. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power. Plus they have stocked up on draft picks. They can swing a deal if they choose. Just because they are the enemy doesn’t mean we should overlook reality.
    ____________

    Yes, but much like Montero, he’s not as valuable to a NL team since he’s not said to be good defensively (scouting report). I agree that he is killing the ball though.

  89. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Why would the Yankees want to give up on
    Banuelos or Benantes for Jimenez?
    Thanks, but no thanks.

    Once again, teams asking price is out of control. Far too high.
    Better to leave well enough alone and let some other team
    get ripped off.

  90. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    So who would you have Cashman get?
    Hiroki Kuroda? (never pitched in the AL)
    Ubaldo Jimenez? (Three ML ready prospects – or Montero, Betances, and Banuelos required)
    Eric Bedard? (scouting him tomorrow – M’s want a top flight prospect in return – Montero).
    Jeremy Guthrie? (O’s won’t trade him in the AL east)
    James Shields? (Rays either)
    Beltran? (got traded for some seriously high prospect – Beltran didn’t want to DH).

    as far as I can tell Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Jon Lester, David Price, Tommy Hanson, Clayton Kershaw, Jered Weaver, Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda, Brian Matsuz, Chris Carpenter, or any of those other ace like pitchers aren’t available…

    (did I miss anyone)?

  91. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Red Sox are jumping in on Ubaldo to try to drive the Yankees to include Montero and Betances.

  92. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    The Bell to the Rangers thing is sketchy.
    When has the two closers thing worked for anyone? Unless they’re flipping Bell?

  93. mainesoxfan July 28th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    austinmac July 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power.
    —————————————

    Ryan Lavarnway: .364/.435/.722/1.157/13 HR’s in 151 AB’s in AAA. He played college ball at Yale and since joining the RS has put up very good offensive numbers. He’s also throwing out base runners at a 35% clip. Having said that, there are questions about his ability to be a MLB catcher. Keith Law is not a fan.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....38;cid=533

  94. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Joelsherman1 16 mins NFL/MLB frenzy is too much, I now think #Yankees are going after Ubaldo Umenyiora

    Sherman is really well connected and right quite often on this stuff

  95. bruceb July 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Tabbert

    Don’t get me wrong… yanks have a really good team but for him to honestly believe that we have the advantage over any of those teams is absolute crazy talk. We do not match up well vs any of those teams.

    You’re dead right…but admitting that on this blog is akin to heresy. How many posters here spent the entire winter telling us how overrated the Red Sox were – even with the addition of Gonzalez and Crawford – and how much better the Yankees would be in every position? Not looking that way right now.

  96. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Red Sox are jumping in on Ubaldo to try to drive the Yankees to include Montero and Betances.
    =-=-=-=

    then they can have him.

  97. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Bell woukndt have a problem setting up….pretty tough 8/9

  98. Chambliss July 28th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    It may be a cliche, but it is also true. Good pitching will be good hitting everytime.

    You can bash your way to a division title by beating the crap out of lesser opponents, but it is pretty difficult to hit your way to a World Series title.

    Weather and the pressure associated with being eliminated make it motr difficult to hit in October as opposed to July.

    If the Yankees want to win this year they have to improve the quality of their starting pitching. Cashman is doing his job, but we all know that he is full of it. The Yankees do not have a championship caliber starting rotation. Colon and Garcia have been great, but there is no way that a reasonable person would expect them to continue to perform at this level. They are too old and have too many miles on their engines. A.J. Burnet is an All-Star from the neck down. Hughes is feeling the impact of a huge innings increase from 2009 to 2010. That leaves you with CC as the only starter that you can count on going into the 2011 postseason. Unless you are going to use him on two or three days rest (something that he could probably handle), you need other options in the rotation. Cashman won’t confirm this publicly because it kills his leverage, but I certainly feel that it is true.

  99. Joe from Long Island July 28th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    blake – when you read that Plaxico Burres is meeting with Tom Coughlin, anything’s possible……

  100. kd July 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    here’s my two cents about red sox prospects: it’s fools gold and completely short sighted. the yankees suffered from this when drew henson was the best the farm had. once casey kelley turns out to be what he really is: aaa fodder or at best a bullpen piece, then the media will start talking about how the genius theo got one over on the padres. that will hurt more than it’ll help.

    they’ve got to be so scared at the proposition of cc, ubaldo, and bartolo in a short series.

  101. blake July 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Joe,

    Lol. Yea.

  102. Pat M. July 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Montero & Betances would be the front end of any real conversation with The Rockies….The question is what else will they want & what will Cashman counter offer……Later guys

  103. 108 stitches July 28th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Cashman says similar words every trading deadline. Only the names change from year to year.
    He’ll watch the team intently for the Oriole series with constant communication from other GM’s and his top organizational people.
    Early Sunday afternoon is when he’ll make his moves.
    The curiosity factor is who pitches the 2nd game on Saturday. What if Nova throws a 1-hit gem ?
    Does that change the package of players ?

  104. West Coast Yankee Fan July 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power. Plus they have stocked up on draft picks.

    *************

    Shhhh! How dare you spew forth logical, realistic and intelligent baseball thoughts here!

  105. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    kd July 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    here’s my two cents about red sox prospects: it’s fools gold and completely short sighted. the yankees suffered from this when drew henson was the best the farm had. once casey kelley turns out to be what he really is: aaa fodder or at best a bullpen piece, then the media will start talking about how the genius theo got one over on the padres. that will hurt more than it’ll help.

    they’ve got to be so scared at the proposition of cc, ubaldo, and bartolo in a short series.

    —————-

    I’m pretty sure that if we went over to a Red Sox fan page they would be saying the same thing about Yankee prospects.

  106. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    AndrewMarchand
    RT @DKnobler: One scout on Phil Hughes yesterday: “Stuff was fine, results bad. He should be OK.” (Another POV)

  107. rr212 July 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    If this is true and that’s a big IF, then wildcard it is. If they face Texas, I don’t feel confident in beating them in a short series, however, this team has outplayed my expectations all year. Hopefully they continue to do so.

  108. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 2 mins next few days will tell #chisox tale. could buy, sell or in between. $ concerns. #quentin, #danks, #floyd, #tradedeadline SI_JonHeyman 12 mins

  109. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan July 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    Howard July 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    The Sox have a AAA catcher who is killing the ball. The last I checked he was hitting over .370 with a lot of power. Plus they have stocked up on draft picks.

    *************

    Shhhh! How dare you spew forth logical, realistic and intelligent baseball thoughts here!

    ————

    The guy you’re talking about is Ryan Lavarnway – he’s 25 and is considered less likely to stay at C than Montero is. He really is knocking the stitches off the ball at Pawtucket.

  110. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    AndrewMarchand
    RT @DKnobler: A different scout on Hughes, same game: “Stuff dropped off [after first 2 inn], Too many hittable pitches and mistakes.”

  111. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I have to believe the Yankees are going to make a big push for King

  112. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I?m pretty sure that if we went over to a Red Sox fan page they would be saying the same thing about Yankee prospects

    _______________

    Exactly. We’ve hyped all of them, and look around baseball.. The least hyped are the ones with even a little success.
    The kids the Red Sox were “over hyping” five years ago, are not all stars on thier own team. Teams notice that.
    Every team has this issue, not just NY and Boston.

  113. Mike Ri July 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I have to believe the Yankees are going to make a big push for King

    what makes you think that joeman ?

  114. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    The Red Sox don’t have any prospect as highly rated as Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. Nor.do they have a young tradeble starter like Nova that could immediately go into their rotation….so as it pertains to acquiring Ubaldo the Sox don’t have the juice if the Yanks really want him. Their #1 is a no bat SS and the Rockies certainly don’t need a SS.

  115. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I have to believe Cashman offered up the farm for the King and got a dialtone back.

  116. BTX July 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    AndrewMarchand
    RT @DKnobler: A different scout on Hughes, same game: “Stuff dropped off [after first 2 inn], Too many hittable pitches and mistakes.”

    —————

    That sounds more like it.

  117. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    I tend to agree with the 2nd scout regarding Hughes…..

  118. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    yeah – me too. Sigh. :-(

  119. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    An NL source tells Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald the Red Sox are “not hot as of now” for Jimenez.

  120. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    The Sox had one player in BA’s midseason top 50 and he’s a pitcher in A ball.

    Lavarnway does not compare to Montero as a prospect.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ects-list/

  121. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I’ll state this again
    A) the fact that Ubaldy is even available sends red flags up. An extremely affordable high end starter? For the next 2 years?? Teams like the M’s and Rox covet these types of pitchers. Why on earth is he available???
    B) His delivery is all sorts of wonky.
    C) The Rox’s asking price is WAY to high.

  122. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Oh – and D) His velocity dropped from 96-97 to 93-94. And since the second half of last year – he’s been meh.

  123. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Mike Ri July 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I have to believe the Yankees are going to make a big push for King

    what makes you think that joeman
    ——————————–
    they have been on Sea a lot about him & will give it another shot….

  124. Mike Ri July 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Sunny615 —

    We can “picky” with every pitcher in the league .. ( Arm Delievery , Age , Health , can he pitch in the AL east , Velocity , )

    I ‘ll agree with you on C .. …. but not A and B.

  125. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Hughes is not right!
    Easy to see that his arm is not strong enough to be a MLB starting pitcher
    in the AL East.

  126. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Ubaldo the Sox don?t have the juice if the Yanks really want him.

    I disagree completely. They have Bard and Ellsbury, both proven, young, and affordable (though Ellsbury is arb eligible I think). The have Reddick and Kalish, but better than our OFers, and both with service time – Reddick is raking right now. They have Lavarnway and Middlebrooks, and other misc pieces.
    To think they can’t make the move, I think, is shortsighted. Id rahter see them move Bard or Ellsbury, but I don’t think they will.
    For Colorado, having Cargo and Ellsbury locked up long term would be a very good thing. Or to have Bard closing games for them.
    I agree they don’t have the higher rated prospects in their system, but I think they can change their ML roster and not take the hit with a good return.

  127. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    I enjoy how some of you treat the trade deadline
    as a video game, LOL!!!

  128. West Coast Yankee Fan July 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    “The Yankees or any team could basically offer their whole farm system and Seattle Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik said he will not trade reigning American League Cy Young Award winner Felix Hernandez by this Sunday’s trade deadline.

    “You can say nine guys,” Zduriencik told ESPNNewYork.com. “You could say 12 guys. What does it matter? The deal is we have a guy who we relish. We want to get to a point where we are competitive and as good as any club in baseball. To get to that point, you have to have top-of-the-rotation starters. We’ve got it. Your best asset, you ought to keep, and that is what we intend to do.” — h/t prosportsdaily.com

  129. Joe from Long Island July 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    WTP – it’s one big game of poker.

  130. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Sunny -

    I’m not arguing against any of what you’re saying – however:

    1) Reports are that Ubaldo’s been unhappy with the org for not giving him a long term deal like they did with his teammates CarGo and Tulo

    2) CC Sabathia’s weight was supposed to make him a big risk – funky delivery doesn’t mean there’s a potential problem

    3) Agree completely but if you’re going to offer up a very good player you’re naturally going to want a lot in return

    4) It could have to do with lack of focus going back to point 1.

  131. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Reports are that Ubaldo?s been unhappy with the org for not giving him a long term deal like they did with his teammates CarGo and Tulo
    _______________

    I haven’t seen that…where did you read that?

  132. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    The Sox are not trading Ellsbury.

  133. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    NotHankStein Hal & Cashman shut me out of trade war room. Levine hid me inside a cake & rolled me into room. Running out of air. Send help!

  134. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    People need to stop dreaming about Felix in pinstripes.

    The Mariners have absolutely zero motivation to trade him.

    He’s young
    They can afford him
    They can afford to add players around him
    He’s probably the best RH pitcher in the American League

    The only way they even entertain dealing him is when his contract is running out if he starts to say there’s no chance he re-signs with the team. Check back with them sometime during the 2014 season.

  135. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    I wouldn’t waste my time with Ubaldo…..Sea isn’t going to go anywhere this team stinks, the Yankees can give them a future with a nice package….

  136. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Howard -

    My mistake – that rumor was shot down: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ml.....l-of-sense

  137. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    The Sox are not trading Ellsbury
    ————————-
    or Bard

  138. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    The Sox are not trading Ellsbury.

    Again, that depends on what you think they value right now. Do they want a top pitcher, and will include Ellsbury in the deal, or no?

    If they want Ubaldo, they’ll have to include Ellsbury or Bard becuase they simply don’t have the MLB ready talent that NY does, and if they do include Ellsbury, we can’t match that without adding the third prospect.
    It’s a game. I actually think that if the Sox traded Ellsbury and prospects for Ubaldo, they’d be better off come October. Unless of course you think Crawford will never be himself again, then that’s a net loss for sure.

  139. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    I wouldn’t waste my time with Ubaldo…..Sea isn’t going to go anywhere this team stinks, the Yankees can give them a future with a nice package

    =============================

    They aren’t trading him. Cashman’s inquired……more than once.

  140. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    I wouldn’t waste my time with Ubaldo…..Sea isn’t going to go anywhere this team stinks, the Yankees can give them a future with a nice package….

    —————

    They have a nice future already. One that centers around young pitchers like Felix, Fister and Pineda.

  141. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    The Sox are not trading Ellsbury.

    Again, that depends on what you think they value right now. Do they want a top pitcher, and will include Ellsbury in the deal, or no?

    If they want Ubaldo, they’ll have to include Ellsbury or Bard becuase they simply don’t have the MLB ready talent that NY does, and if they do include Ellsbury, we can’t match that without adding the third prospect.
    It’s a game. I actually think that if the Sox traded Ellsbury and prospects for Ubaldo, they’d be better off come October. Unless of course you think Crawford will never be himself again, then that’s a net loss for sure.

    —————–

    With JD Drew hurt the Red Sox are looking to add outfielders, not subtract them.

  142. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    or Bard

    Why? Because he’s supposed to be a closer? You don’t trade the guy who’s “supposed” to be the closer for a top flight starting pitcher? Hint – the answer is yes.

    The Sox can easily add a closer, even Papelbon if they choose, come year’s end. IF the Rox wanted Bard and three or four other players, the Sox would be stupid to not do it.

  143. UnKnown July 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Billy the Kid Butler. 3 -2 KC

    I will say this at least the Royals have made these 4 games somewhat interesting. They do have offense. They just absolutely can not pitch.

  144. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    NotHankStein Trapped inside cake. Getting dizzy. Life flashing before my eyes. Tell Arod I loved him.

  145. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    With JD Drew hurt the Red Sox are looking to add outfielders, not subtract them.

    Drew isn’t hurt, he sucks, and is saving face because Reddick took his job from him. That’s why they waited to put him on the DL retro, so they can activate him at any time next week.
    Reddick is their second OFer, as Kalish is the more highly touted one.

  146. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    They do have offense.

    =================

    5th or 6th in the AL in runs. Butler and Hosmer are terrific young hitters. Gordon isn’t quite as good, but he’s a nice player too. As you say, they need some arms.

  147. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    bw51official Very excited for my discussion with co author Bob Thompson and signing tonight in Madison, CT at 7:00 PM at the… http://fb.me/Avo1OWWZ

  148. Hassey July 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    I know he hates the Yankees, but when it comes to actually playing baseball, you can’t deny that Joe Morgan knows what he’s talking about. He always reminded us that good pitching beats good hitting, but GREAT hitting beats good pitching.

    That’s what we, and the rest of MLB, face this year in the Sox and that;s why they continue to pound top flight starters. The Sox lineup has all equalizers just right this season.

  149. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

  150. UnKnown July 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    One thing about the Yankees is that they can afford to give up too much in a trade in terms of prospects.

    Where there payroll sits they always have a great shot at getting a proven star to replace the prospect lost in a trade.

    It is fun to keep your home grown talent and win with them however. Ex. Pettitte, Jeter, Mo, Jorge.

  151. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    MLBTR:
    The Dodgers want a true baseball deal, and would prefer a starting pitcher close to the big leagues. The Dodgers are “acting like they can trade Kuroda, and not just to the Yankees or Red Sox,” tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports. The Dodgers have a scout watching the Tigers’ A-ball team.

  152. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    # Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    or Bard

    Why? Because he’s supposed to be a closer? You don’t trade the guy who’s “supposed” to be the closer for a top flight starting pitcher? Hint – the answer is yes.

    The Sox can easily add a closer, even Papelbon if they choose, come year’s end. IF the Rox wanted Bard and three or four other players, the Sox would be stupid to not do it.
    —————————-
    not going anywhere

  153. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

    ==================================

    2004

  154. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

    Melky Cabrerra.

  155. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Nomar Garciaparra

  156. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Howard,

    I meant without touching big league rosters the Sox don’t have the juice if the Yanks are serious…..thy aren’t trading Ellsbury for him.and they aren’t reading their closer next year in Bard either. Boston doesn’t match up nearly as well as the Yanks.do for this deal.

  157. Triple Short of a Cycle July 28th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    LGY,

    Manny,Nomar,Masterson

  158. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    2004

    —–

    So it has been a while.

    Don’t really think the Melk Man counts. He was a salary dump to offset Javy.

  159. BTX July 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?”

    At the deadline?
    Scott Proctor 07

  160. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    There must be other things more important than winning because both Aramis Ramirez and Kerry Wood are refusing to waive their no trade clauses. Why would you want to stay on the 20 games under .500 Cubs? I just don’t get it.

  161. 86w183 July 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I realize the Mariners have no intention of trading King Felix, but I don’t agree that they have no reason to consider it.

    They are a poor team without much on the way. They could get 3-5 guys who might help them in 2012 for Felix and they are dealing from strength in moving him with the other arms they have.

    If I were in charge there I would put the word out that Felix is available… but be prepared to offer up 2 position players and 2 arms that are likely to perform in the Majors in 2012.

    I’d also make it clear the caliber of player could be slightly reduced if a team is willing to eat the last two years on Chone Figgins’ contract.

  162. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    # Mell July 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

    ==================================

    2004
    ————————————-
    7 years ago so it doesn’t happen often

  163. GoldGlove9486 July 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    2008 they traded Farnsworth for Pudge.

  164. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Both Manny and Nomar were personality issues. Esp Manny. Nomar was “pouting” about injuries. Masterson was traded for Vmart, not a middling guy like Kuroda. And the Sox didn’t think much of Masterson at the time.

  165. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Melky Cabrera wasn’t going to play in 2010 because he wasn’t any good. The Sox could trade Ellsbury and Bard for Ubaldo……I hope they do because they’d be worse 4 out of 5 games.

  166. GoldGlove9486 July 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    So it happened just 3 seasons ago when we were still in it.

  167. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    # 86w183 July 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I realize the Mariners have no intention of trading King Felix, but I don’t agree that they have no reason to consider it.

    They are a poor team without much on the way. They could get 3-5 guys who might help them in 2012 for Felix and they are dealing from strength in moving him with the other arms they have.

    If I were in charge there I would put the word out that Felix is available… but be prepared to offer up 2 position players and 2 arms that are likely to perform in the Majors in 2012.

    I’d also make it clear the caliber of player could be slightly reduced if a team is willing to eat the last two years on Chone Figgins’ contract.
    ———————————————————————–
    King will be gone by the time this team is any good…

  168. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    2004
    ————————————-
    7 years ago so it doesn’t happen often

    =====================

    Since corrected by Trip, who cited Ramirez being moved by Boston during the ’08 season.

  169. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Howard,

    I meant without touching big league rosters the Sox don?t have the juice if the Yanks are serious?..thy aren?t trading Ellsbury for him.and they aren?t reading their closer next year in Bard either. Boston doesn?t match up nearly as well as the Yanks.do for this deal.

    __________

    And, I agreed with you inasmuch. But, my reply was more to the point that if Boston wants Ubaldo bad enough, they can go get him just as fast as we can. I guess it would just depend on Colorado rating our prospects as highly as their ML talent that’s already proven and thinking the difference in cost is worth the risk on the younger players.
    If you assume that Carl Crawford is going rebound this year, the Red Sox can afford to lose Ellsbury and just move Pedroia to the leadoff role.
    Just a thought was all. I don’t think we’re disagreeing.
    If they value a great SP more than a great bullpen guy or great OFer?

  170. brownies July 28th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Oh Cashman! I just threw up my lunch. This team is not championship caliber. Pitching concerns, lack of clutch hitting vs good pitchers, aging stars. If he truly stands pat its wild card, maybe, barring significant sox injuries. Unbelievable

  171. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    The Mariners should trade Felix…..they just aren’t because Jack Z likes the attention he’s getting for having him……ok maybe that’s not the reason but they are a terrible team and tradijlng him for a haul of prospects and having 20 extra million per year to spend elsewhere would get them competitive faster.

  172. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    No way they give up Ellsbury and Bard, but one of them with prospects make their offer much, much more credible.
    Denying that much means you should put down the kool-aid. We have absolutely nothing that we could offer in terms of a player that matches Ellsbury. It just depends on exactly what Colorado would see it.

    FWIW, I don’t think Ubaldo gets traded anywhere, and all this fantasy talk is just that :)

  173. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Edit: absolutely nothing short of sheer numbers. We’d have to include that third prospect, then, maybe, but that would be a big risk for Colorado given the available baseball cards to look at – or lack thereof.

  174. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Homer Bailey just coughed up 9 ER’s today. Safe to say, Reds out on Jimenez.

  175. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Hocheaver doing a good job keeping Boston quiet today through 4

  176. Hassey July 28th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    if anyone can call what the final Sox-KC score will be today, drinks are on me

    I say 9-8 KC

  177. sunny615 July 28th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Anyway – it doesn’t really matter what WE or Gammons think’s of the Red Sox’s prospects… it’s what the other teams think of them that really matter.

  178. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    FWIW, I don’t think Ubaldo gets traded anywhere, and all this fantasy talk is just that

    ————

    Agreed. And Bret will shed some tears yet again because his newest trade target won’t be a Yankee on Mon.

  179. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

    —————-

    Winter after the 2009 season – sent Melky to Atlanta in the Javy deal and Phil Coke to Detroit for Granderson.

    Red Sox did it during the 2008 season – sending Manny away in the Bay trade.

  180. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    I don’t put any stock into the stuff Cash says in public. Remember, this is the same guy who said that Bubba Crosby was going to be the Yankees starting CF.

  181. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    Homer Bailey just coughed up 9 ER’s today. Safe to say, Reds out on Jimenez.

    ————

    My guess is that O’Dowd’s impression of Bailey (or anyone else) isn’t going to be swayed by one start – good or bad.

  182. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Ellsbury…talking about a kid right now with his stats is a top 5-6 player in the league and should get a lot of MVP votes…not going anywhere

  183. blake July 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I actually think Ubaldo is getting moved…..I don’t know if it’ll be to the Yankees but there has been too much smoke around this thing for there nit to.be some.fire and the Rockies have been in deep in the rumors for too long ……..I didn’t think a week ago that he would be traded…..but it just seems to keep going which means they have real interest in moving him now……the reason I have no idea but they seem motivated.

  184. Triple Short of a Cycle July 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I’m sure the Boston score will stay 4-2 :)

  185. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    # Laura – I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    I don’t put any stock into the stuff Cash says in public. Remember, this is the same guy who said that Bubba Crosby was going to be the Yankees starting CF.
    ——————————————–
    also said we’ll be OK with Cody at 3rd until Arod gets back

  186. Howard July 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    if anyone can call what the final Sox-KC score will be today, drinks are on me

    I say 9-8 KC

    ————-

    12-7 Boston

  187. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    if anyone can call what the final Sox-KC score will be today, drinks are on me

    I say 9-8 KC

    =========================

    11-6 Boston

  188. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    4-2 KC?

  189. Mgumpher July 28th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    This Ubaldo talk reminds me of the first time it was talked about that Halladay was going to be traded. While it eventually happened, it wasn’t in season.

    I think the same type thing might happen here.

  190. Triple Short of a Cycle July 28th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Mgumpher,

    I remember listening to Francessa yelling at the Mets to trade for him

  191. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    LGY July 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
    When was the last time the Yankees or Sox subtracted from their major league roster in a trade?

    —————-

    I think the better question is when is the last time the Yankees made a major move at the deadline?

    Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte?

    Obviously this is just my opinion as an outsider but I think deadline trades go against Cashman’s nature. He’s a very cerebral guy who likes to think out all the angels and it’s possible that he feels with the deadline that he doesn’t have the time to review a deal the way he would in contemplating an offseason move. There’s that ticking clock and he’s afraid of making a move that looks good today but keeps him up at night a year from now.

  192. Against All Odds July 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Lol at Mike pushing the Mets to get Doc. He begged them for months and was so upset when he went to the Phils

  193. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    with the NFL player moves my head is spinning

  194. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Chip

    He tried to trade for Lee last year.

  195. jpb173 July 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    There must be other things more important than winning because both Aramis Ramirez and Kerry Wood are refusing to waive their no trade clauses. Why would you want to stay on the 20 games under .500 Cubs? I just don’t get it.

    ==============================================

    Some guys would rather be hunting or fishing in October than playing baseball. Once you’ve got enough money then baseball becomes secondary to many players.

  196. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Too damn quiet today. We need MLB trades to be like NFL trades. Everytime we press the refresh button.

  197. blake July 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    If your the Rockies this might be the best market to trade Ubaldo in…..the memory of his start to last season in still in peoples minds, there is nothing else on the market, and teams are sometimes more motivated to buy mid season for the stretch run. If they wait then sure they might could get more later…….but if he gets hurt or has a mediocre finish to the season then his value drops……and also you’d at least be competing with CJ Wilson this winter and a few other options for teams and the class next year is really strong for pitching. There coukd be an argument made to get the max you can get for him now…especially if he wants out anyway.

  198. yanks4ever July 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    If Yankees don’t find anything better than Hughes they aren’t catching the Red Sox and they aren’t making the playoffs.

  199. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Here’s something to consider too:

    Kevin Towers is back in the league.

    Cashman and Towers love making trades with each other.

    Could/Would the Yankees send Arizona a couple of B prospects for Joe Saunders?

  200. ac1 July 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Hideki Irabu found dead?

  201. Mell July 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    If your the Rockies this might be the best market to trade Ubaldo in

    ===========================

    Best would be the offseason. More teams likely to get involved. Right now, pool’s pretty much contenders and that’s it.

  202. pat July 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    AkitoKYODO: Former #Yankee Hideki Irabu found dead near LA. Police investigating it as a possible suicide. http://bit.ly/q3WssY

  203. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    LGY July 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Chip

    He tried to trade for Lee last year.

    ——————-

    And if you look at his comments since that deal fell apart I think it was making him sick the entire time and that he was fine with the end result (not the losing in the playoffs part, but the not making the deal part).

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock July 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Chip July 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
    People need to stop dreaming about Felix in pinstripes.

    The Mariners have absolutely zero motivation to trade him.
    ///

    I ain’t dreamin’ about Felix, not when may have our own version of King Felix on the way:

    Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers, who spent last season scouting with the Yankees, offers yet another ringing endorsement for the Yanks’ top pitching prospects — and actually likes right-hander Dellin Betances even better than lefty Manny Banuelos.

    Betances, 6-foot-8 and 245 pounds, “might be King Felix,” Towers says.

    Banuelos?

    “Teddy Higuera in his prime,” Towers says, “but with a better arm.”
    “Might be King Felix”? Those are words that are bound to make every Yankees fan happy.

    If you’re not familiar with Higuera, here are his career numbers. From 1985-1988 (his prime) he went 69-38 with a 3.25 ERA. Injuries, including back surgery in ’88 and a torn rotator cuff in ’91, put a quick end to his career.

    :D :D :D

  205. Chip July 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    ac1 July 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Hideki Irabu found dead?

    ———-

    Geez…sympathies to his family and friends.

  206. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    RiverAveBlues RT @AkitoKYODO: Hideki Irabu found dead near LA. Police investigating as a possible suicide. Kyodo story (in Japanese) http://t.co/WSADdEG

  207. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    fudome to the Indians. Great on base guy.

  208. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    And if you look at his comments since that deal fell apart I think it was making him sick the entire time and that he was fine with the end result (not the losing in the playoffs part, but the not making the deal part).

    ——

    What else would he say after the deal fell through?

  209. igotid88 July 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    He may be talking nonsense but there isn’t anything out there better than Hughes. They need a bat and a bullpen guy. Most of that we can get from within.

  210. Hassey July 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    And, on top of everything, our teams those years couldn’t touch Higuera

  211. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers, who spent last season scouting with the Yankees, offers yet another ringing endorsement for the Yanks’ top pitching prospects — and actually likes right-hander Dellin Betances even better than lefty Manny Banuelos.

    =========

    Boston has Gammons. We counter with Towers. Now if he can only hand us Upton for Dellin all would be good.

  212. Erin July 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    New Post: Have the Yankees missed out?

    :arrow:

  213. ac1 July 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    i think the yankees should look at ichiro.
    We are looking for another hitter, a better right fielder, swish can DH.
    Ichiro can still play, but going to a contender may be good for him and he can definitely handle NYC.

  214. hornblower July 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    I hate this time of the year with all the silly posting and fake reporting. Cash knows his stuff. Let him do his job. To recall 1995, let’s trade this kid Jeter and that pitcher with the funny first name for David Cone. They got him for three kids that never made the bigs.

  215. Dill Pickler July 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    The Red Sox are not going to offer Ellsbury to colorado for Jiminez. Ellsbury is having a near MVP-type season (if not for Gonzalez on his own team). Jiminez has been a mediocre pitcher since the All-Star break last season. That is just insane. I wish they were that dumb.

  216. BD (Boston Dave) July 28th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    by the way, this was a good post Chad.

    nice work.

  217. pft2 July 29th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    My hopes for a Red Sox-Yankees ALCS rematch are pretty much over if Cashman stays on the sidelines. No way I can see the Yankees getting past the ALDS against the Rangers with that rotation, and even if they did manage to get past the Rangers, they have no hope against the Red Sox who beat up even CC, and would eat Hughes, Garcia and AJ for breakfast (Colon has a chance against them).

    And Posada at DH is begging for an upgrade. 3 HR since April does not cut it. Use your imagination Cash. This team is not championship caliber, it’s a good WC team looking at an early exit in the playoffs. Upgrades are in order.

    Buchholz injury might be worse than thought, so Red Sox definitely looking to make a splash for a SP’er. Theo does thank Cashman for Aceves with all his heart since he might be their 5th starter if a trade is not made.

    Red Sox SP’ing has it’s issues given Beckett has not finished strong in Septmber/October since 2007, but their offense is incredible even with Crawford underperforming.

    The August schedule seems to favor the Yankees if they can find a way to beat the Red Sox H2H.

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