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If the Yankees could get them back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A look back at the players the Yankees have traded away in the past two years, and how they might fit with the Yankees if they were still in the organization.

Chase Weems
Independent league, C
Released by the Reds in May

Strange to start with this one, but technically this was the Yankees only deadline deal in 2009. In the year the Yankees won the World Series, they traded for Eric Hinske in June but didn’t do any significant roster tweaking at the deadline. They purchased Chad Gaudin after the deadline.
With the Yankees then: Weems was a sixth-round pick in the draft that also brought Austin Romine. The Yankees had catching depth even then, and they shipped Weems to Cincinnati for Jerry Hairston Jr.
With the Yankees now: If Weems had stayed in the Yankees system, he might have met the same fate that he ultimately reached with the Reds. He was released in May and now plays for the Rockland Boulders.

Brian Bruney
White Sox, RHP
2.16 ERA, 1.50 WHIP

After seven saves with Triple-A Charlotte, Bruney earned a call-up and has stuck in the White Sox bullpen. He’s been more or less the guy the Yankees remember with pretty high walk and strikeout totals.
With the Yankees then: The Yankees tried Bruney as a setup man after his terrific 2008 season, but he didn’t stick in that role and by the 2009 playoffs, Bruney was an extra guy. He was traded to Washington for the rights to the No. 1 pick in the Rule 5 draft — Jamie Hoffmann — who didn’t stick with the Yankees out of spring training.
With the Yankees now: Had he stuck with the Yankees, all of the early-season bullpen injuries might have opened a door for Bruney to get another chance in the big league bullpen, but Luis Ayala, Hector Noesi and Cory Wade have all emerged as better options.

Austin Jackson
Tigers, CF
.247/.317/.363

Struggling to live up to his rookie year, Jackson’s numbers are down across the board (except for home runs). He’s still a guy with a lot of speed, a lot of strikeouts and not a lot of power.
With the Yankees then: Jackson was coming off a tremendous Triple-A season and was considered the Yankees most advanced position prospect when they traded him as the center piece of the Curtis Granderson deal. The Yankees believed they were getting a better version of what Jackson might become, and that’s certainly played out this season.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, Jackson’s reverse splits would make him a bad fit as the Yankees right-handed outfielder off the bench. Given this year’s numbers, Jackson might be in Triple-A if he were still with the Yankees.

Ian Kennedy
Diamondbacks, RHP
12-3, 3.22 ERA, 127 K

The ace of the Diamondbacks rotation, Kennedy has improved on his good 2010 season to post legitimately impressive numbers this year. He’s not a huge strikeout pitcher, but he has more than three strikeouts for every walk, and opponents are hitting .232 against him.
With the Yankees then: Kennedy made just 12 big league starts spread across three seasons with the Yankees. He had surgery  to repair an aneurysm in 2009. Large chunks of the fan base seemed to have given up on him when Kennedy was traded in the Granderson deal.
With the Yankees now: Given the rotation situation this spring, Kennedy probably would have been a favorite to win a starting job out of spring training, and if he’d pitched like this, he certainly would have kept that job. It would have been more interesting to see what the Yankees would have done with Kennedy had they still had him in the system last year.

Phil Coke
Tigers, LHP/spot starter
1-8, 4.57 ERA, lefties hitting .184

Most of Coke’s appearances have been as a starter this season, but his left-right splits are drastic, suggesting he’s better left in the lefty specialist role that he filled for the Yankees a few years ago.
With the Yankees then: Developed as a starter, Coke moved to the Double-A bullpen late in 2008 and rose very quickly to the big leagues. His prospect stock had pretty much evaporated as a minor league starter, but the Yankees got some value out of him as a lefty relievers and shipped him in as part of the Curtis Granderson deal.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, it’s hard to imagine Coke would have gotten another shot in the rotation, but Coke certainly could have helped in his familiar left-handed relief role. He’s given up one homer in 100 at-bats vs. left-handers this season.

Melky Cabrera
Royals, CF
.297/.333/.453

Approaching career-highs in hits, home runs, doubles and runs scored — he’s already set a career high in stolen bases —  Cabrera has basically been Robinson Cano with a little less power.
With the Yankees then: Cabrera was traded away in the 2009 Javier Vazquez deal, which left Brett Gardner with ample opportunity to win his everyday job in the Yankees lineup. Cabrera was basically viewed a good fourth outfielder, but a borderline everyday guy. 
With the Yankees now:
If he were still with the Yankees, Cabrera’s current production would give the team four legitimate outfielders to mix and match. His best fit would probably be in right field, letting Nick Swisher take the bulk of Jorge Posada’s DH at-bats.

Mike Dunn
Marlins, LHP
Lefties hitting .171/.306/.243

Second among Marlins relievers in innings and appearances, Dunn has become more than a lefty specialist. He’s faced more right-handers than left-handers, but still carries better numbers against lefties. He has a 3.47 ERA overall.
With the Yankees then: A converted outfielder, Dunn was another part of the Javier Vazquez deal. The Braves then shipped him to Florida in the Dan Uggla trade. Dunn was well regarded, but never a huge prospect.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, he’d be an easy choice as a second lefty in the bullpen, and might have pushed Boone Logan out of a job when Logan struggled earlier this season.

Arodys Vizcaino
Braves, RHP (Triple-A)
3.26 ERA at three levels

Called up from Double-A earlier this week, Vizcaino opened the year in High-A and was dominant through nine innings, which led to a move to Double-A where he had a 3.81 ERA before being moved up again to Triple-A.
With the Yankees then: Widely considered the Yankees best lower-level pitching prospect, he was the key prospect involved in the Vazquez trade. He immediately had a terrific first season in the Braves organization.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, Vizcaino would still be among their top pitching prospects, probably a notch below Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos (and he’d probably make that Double-A rotation even more of a must-see group). Baseball America ranked him as the 93rd overall prospect in baseball this winter.

Mitch Hilligoss
Rangers, INF (Double-A)
.271/.321/.385 at two levels

You’re forgiven if you don’t remember this name. He was shipped to Texas for Greg Golson and hasn’t climbed above Double-A in either the Yankees or Rangers organizations.
With the Yankees then:
A nice 2007 season in Charleston put Hilligoss temporarily on the prospect map, but utility types like Kevin Russo and Corban Joseph made him easily expendable for a player who’s been useful in a supporting role.
With the Yankees now: He’d probably be a utility infielder in Trenton, bouncing around as a part-time player. He’s just never replicated that ’07 season.

Zach McAllister
Indians, RHP
8-3, 3.11 ERA in Triple-A

McAllister was the player shipped to Cleveland for Austin Kearns, and he’s put together a very nice Triple-A season that’s earned him one spot start in the big leagues where he was teammates with — of all people — Austin Kearns.
With the Yankees then: McAllister really struggled in Triple-A last year, and given the surge of pitching talent all around him, he became expendable. Obviously, Kearns didn’t work out, but at the time there wasn’t much outrage at losing McAllister in the deal.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, McAllister would be right in that Phelps/Warren/Mitchell group of Triple-A starters begging for a call-up. This has been a significant rebound year for McAllister, and even in this pitching-rich organization, his numbers would be hard to overlook.

Mark Melancon
Astros, closer
3.17 ERA, 9 saves

Moved into the closer role after Brandon Lyon was hurt, Melancon has been a good piece of a bad team. Houston’s bullpen has a total of 13 saves, and Melancon has nine of them.
With the Yankees then: A highly touted relief prospect, Melancon made a total of 15 big league appearances with the Yankees, but his minor league success never carried over and he was shipped to Houston in last year’s Lance Berkman deal.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, this season might have been exactly the opportunity Melancon was waiting for. Given the early season uncertainty in the late innings, Melancon would surely have figured into the Yankees plans, or at least gotten a chance to win regular work in the seventh inning.

Jimmy Paredes
Astros, INF (Double-A)
.267/.296/.424 while playing second and third

The minor leaguer shipped to Houston in the Berkman deal has a spot on Houston’s 40-man roster, but he already has 82 strikeouts to go with his 10 Double-A homers.
With the Yankees then: Always a kind of under-the-radar, might-do-something prospect. He was pretty good the previous two years, and that boosted his stock enough to help the Yankees made a deal. Probably the biggest role he was ever going to play in this organization.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, Paredes would probably have spent the year playing second base in High-A. He’s a significant prospect in the Astros thin system, but he’d been pretty far off the radar if he were still with the Yankees.

Matt Cusick
Angels, 2B (Double-A)
.301/.414/.418

Traded to Cleveland as a player to be named later in the Kerry Wood deal, Cusick wound up released by the Indians only to sign with the Angels. He’s had a nice year for them. The other PTBNL in the Wood deal was a pitcher named Andrew Shive, and he’s been released without signing elsewhere. Basically, the Indians got nothing in that trade.
With the Yankees then:
Cusick is the guy the Yankees originally got when they shipped LaTroy Hawkins to Houston in 2008. He’d become a kind of organizational guy.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, he’d probably still be an organizational guy, trying to get at-bats anywhere from High-A to Triple-A.

Juan Miranda
Diamondbacks, 1B (Triple-A)
.213/.315/.402 in the big leagues

Miranda was the D-Backs regular first baseman when the season started, and he was pretty productive for a while, but after a horrible month of June and a rocky start to July, he was DFA and assigned to Triple-A.
With the Yankees then: This winter, Miranda was shipped to Arizona for minor-league pitcher Scott Allen. Miranda was out of options and have no obvious place on the big league roster.
With the Yankees now: If he were still with the Yankees, Miranda would be serving the familiar role as first base insurance. The Yankees wouldn’t have been able to carry him out of spring training and would have had to try to get him through waivers. He never had a role when he was with the Yankees before, and he wouldn’t have a role if he were with them now.

Adam Olbrychowski
Nationals, RHP (High-A)
4.68 ERA as reliever and spot starter

In a largely forgotten deal, Olbrychowski was shipped to the Nationals for Justin Maxwell just before the start of spring training.
With the Yankees then: He was a fifth-round pick in 2007, but Olbrychowski never really set himself apart in the Yankees system. He had a nice 2009 and a solid 2010, but he still remained fairly anonymous in this organization.
With the Yankees now: If he were still in the organization, he’d probably the same as before: A solid pitcher with solid numbers that are easy to overlook. He made a few Double-A appearances for the Yankees, but the Nationals haven’t pushed him beyond High-A.

Sergio Mitre
Yankees, RHP
4.46 between New York and Milwaukee

The last player the Yankees traded away is a guy who’s currently on their 40-man roster. Mitre was traded for Chris Dickerson this spring, then the Yankees claimed him when the Brewers put him on waivers this summer.
With the Yankees then: When the Yankees traded Mitre, there seemed to be no room for another long reliever/fifth starter. Bartolo Colon had emerged in spring training, and Mitre was shipped away to add some outfield depth, which has come in handy.
With the Yankees now: So hard to guess what would happen if some of these traded guys were back with the Yankees, but for Mitre, I’d have to say that he’d make roughly four appearances in some sort of middle-relief, long-relief role. I’d guess that fans would generally despise him until an injury ultimately sent him to the disabled list, opening the door for more regular appearances for Hector Noesi. But that’s just a guess. No way to know for sure.

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240 Responses to “If the Yankees could get them back”

  1. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I don’t believe in looking back – what’s the point? I’m happy for IPK, but I’m thrilled we have Granderson

  2. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Great post Chad.

  3. Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    I reach for them, but I hug only air. :cry:

  4. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I don’t believe in looking back – what’s the point?

    Nostalgia, what could have been, introspection. Human things.

  5. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Chad-
    Only one I miss is Melancon. Keeping him and letting him stay on the big league roster might have given the Yankees enough depth in the bullpen to forego signing Soriano.

  6. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Bedard is a WASTE OF TIME AND PROSPECTS.

    So is everyone of these pitchers the Yankees have been rumored with.

    When are you all going to understand that?

  7. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    No love for Jose Veras on the Pirates???
    HAHAHAHA

  8. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Kennedy is finding his success in the NL West. And with all due respect to the reigning Champion Giants, the NL West is a joke offensively compared to the AL East.

  9. vinny-b July 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Chad: excellent piece

    my favorite to date.

    thanks.

    _

  10. m July 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Great post, Chad.

    Bruney-NO!

    Dunn-Would have loved to have kept him.

    Melky-grew into his own in KC, not sure that would have happened in the Bronx.

    Kennedy-numbers speak for themselves, BUT it’s the NL, and the West to boot. I always knew
    he’d be a complete SP with his college pedigree.

    Jackson would be on the Yankee bench…or LF if LoHud had its way. :lol:

    Miranda demoted already?

    Melancon with a 3+ ERA in the NL? Sounds like the guy he was with the NYY.

    Mitre’s name needs to be banned here.

  11. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    Of course Jack Z will demand Betances for Bedard
    ————————————–

    Or in the mind of Bret a 3 way trade is cooking!!
    Betances + reeses pieces for Pineda + gumdrops with Michael Pineda sent to the Rockies for Ubaldo Jimenez!! LOL

  12. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Chad with some serious research today. Nicely done.

    I didn’t realize just how much Jackson has struggled this season. #betterthangranderson

  13. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    That wasn’t my point anyway –he’d be here and we’d field an old, not that great of a team behind him. So, what’s the point?

    —–

    Betsy

    Montero and Betances are the difference between an old not that great team and a good or great team?

    Ubaldo is cheap. He leaves plenty of money for free agents.

  14. G. Love July 28th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Nick,

    Hold on to the night. Hold on to the memories….

  15. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Yankees Rotation on Sept 1st:
    CC
    AJ
    Hughes
    Colon
    Garcia

    Possible Exception: Substitute one of Hughes/Colon/Garcia with Ivan Nova.

    Get used to it folks because no one else is worth the asking price via trade.

    And no rings for NYY this season.

  16. fantasygame101 July 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I do not know if by substituting joba for kennedy then, we will be able to not include coke or jackson. But the one that I really like to be back is clippard, how in the world did the yankees missed on him as a reliever, they always tried him as a starter then.

  17. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    lets look ahead …Arod coming back,return of Sori, trade for UJ ( possible hitter coming here with him) and a LHRP…bring on Tex,Bos & Phil

  18. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    “Hold on to the night. Hold on to the memories….”

    If only they could have gave us more ;)

  19. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    LGY, I just wouldn’t do it……..I’d give up Betances, but not Montero and Betances……and that’s without adding more players. Since I don’t think he’s going to be traded, it’s not something I’m all that invested in. I don’t see us making a big splash

  20. Triple Short of a Cycle July 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    joeman,

    Sunshine Soriano coming back could hurt more then it helps

  21. Villa Nova-Ya July 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    I have hesitancy over ANY NL pitcher coming to the AL East, Ubaldo included. Is he not also in that AL West division that IPK is being somewhat diminished for having success in?

  22. Kevin Not That Kevin Brown July 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Not to inject a sad note, but have you seen this? Hideki Irabu committed suicide.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  23. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    wonder if Sori and A Jones get along…talk about opposite ends of the spectrum

  24. G. Love July 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    My Yankees Rotation on Sept 1st:

    CC
    David Cone
    David Wells
    Roy Hobbs pre-Barbara Hershey shooting him
    Rudy Stein from the original Bad News Bears

    Possible exception: Brendan Fraser’s character from The Scout if he’s really conquered his stage fright.

  25. Villa Nova-Ya July 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Chad,

    Really good post. Food for thought, even if one doesn’t necessarily look back as a matter of course.

    Certainly all things are not equal, but it is an interesting exercise especially on an off day.

  26. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    For Ubaldo to come to NY, his price will have to drop significantly.

    I am not one to overvalue prospects, but this is a guy you have to be wary about dealing your top guys for.

    Cliff Lee was a guy that you should be more flexible with and the Yankees were by and large.

    Ubaldo, however, lacks the pedigree. If they want Nova and Montero, fine. If they those two and another, no thanks. Just say no, its that simple.

    Colorado wants to trade him, that much is clear. Why so eager with a friendly contract such as he has? Read between the lines.

  27. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I don’t diminish IPKs success…….its still the big leagues. He might have a little but higher ERA in the AL but he’s still good……I don’t buy in to the NL/AL stuff that much.

  28. ericns1 July 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Thanks for the info and detail on an off-day good job

  29. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Betsy

    If you think the future is that grim you should want the Yankees to go all in now.

  30. m July 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    People making compelling arguments for and against Ubaldo.

    Is the consensus that he’d be a great acquisition if we didn’t have to give up a top pitcher or Montero? Or some of you willing to let Montero go as long as it doesn’t include either of the B’s?

  31. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    My rotation

    CC
    Darvish
    Betances
    Banuelos
    Warren

  32. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Is the consensus that he’d be a great acquisition if we didn’t have to give up a top pitcher or Montero? Or some of you willing to let Montero go as long as it doesn’t include either of the B’s?

    I’d trade one of the B’s for him, not Montero. Like for like.

  33. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    anyone paying attention to all the NFL moves…head is spinning

  34. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    G. Love,

    How dominant was Brendan Fraser’s character in that movie?!

    I’d love him in this rotation.

  35. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    LGY, I don’t think the future is that grim………..but I don’t want to mortgage the future for this guy. He’s good – he’s not THAT good. It doesn’t really matter, though – I’d be absolutely shocked if he’s traded.

  36. Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    The only flaw with Chad’s post is that Chase Weems is not an actual human being, but a composite of former pitchers that were brutalized in their brief appearances in pinstripes.

    Nice try, though.

  37. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    2013 rotation
    C

    CC
    Ubaldo
    Hamels
    Noesi/Hughes
    Banuelos.

    AJ traded to the Cardinals for whoever Tony Larussa is mad at at the time.

  38. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    how about these two on the same team…Vick & V Young

  39. joeman July 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi heard from a source Thursday that it’s “more likely than not” outfielder Hunter Pence is traded at Sunday’s July 31 trade deadline.
    ———————–
    would be a nice add for now and future

  40. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    CC
    Ubaldo
    Hamels
    Noesi/Hughes
    Banuelos.

    —–

    Yes please.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya July 28th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I don’t think he’d be a “great” acquisition, but a very good one. So I don’t think the package should be full of blue-chippers. I suppose I could see Betances going, but not Montero.

    If Ubaldo is as good as some believe he is, he could be for the Yankees now what they hope from from Betances in a year or two. But it’s a big if, to me. (I liken it to the rationale behind letting Jackson go and getting Granderson).

    But overall, I’m not seeing Jimenez being that difference maker and that could just be a blind spot of mine.

  42. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    LGY and I have joined forces to get that rotation :)

    I like Pence……he’s a hard nosed player…..he plays goofy but hard.

  43. m July 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I think he’d be a great acquisition in the sense that he’s better than anyone after CC. He’s got good historical numbers. The mph loss is a concern, but maybe it’s the same thing as Verlander?

    I’m not married to the idea of Montero, but I wouldn’t give up Romine. I think I’d be inclined to keep both B’s. So, more likely than not, Ubaldo doesn’t land here. And if he does, then there truly might be something wrong with him.

  44. Median July 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Another blast from the past:

    Chien-Ming Wang to start tomorrow for Nats vs. Mets.

  45. Villa Nova-Ya July 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Median -

    Thanks for that news. That’s must-see TV for me. Good luck to CMW.

  46. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 2 mins #dodgers scouting for prospects. telling teams want “significant piece” for kuroda. but will hiroki agree? #tradedeadline

    Good luck……no thanks.

  47. m July 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    I think there’s much more likelihood that Kuroda would agree to a trade than the Dodgers receiving significant pieces. :?

  48. blake July 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Joelsherman1 1 min Scout from #Rockies (Jimenez) in to see #Yankees Betances start at Double-A tonite #Mariners #Phillies also there

    Phillies? Betances for Halladay :)

  49. Jerkface July 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Dodgers are fools. They are going no where and Kuroda is on a 1 year deal and would re-sign with them anyways. Trade him to the Yankees for Phelps.

  50. RayVT July 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made. I don’t care to see any of the B’s or Montero leave.

  51. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Joelsherman1 1 min Scout from #Rockies (Jimenez) in to see #Yankees Betances start at Double-A tonite #Mariners #Phillies also there

    ——–

    Nice.

    Dellin needs to dominate!

  52. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Joelsherman1 2 mins Among scouts/execs seems momentum now #Whitesox Quentin will be dealt and team I hear as frontrunner most is #Braves

    Unless they send Heyward down…..not sure where he will play. I guess white Sox are selling……..get Danks.

  53. Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Dellin tanks start ‘cos his heart pumps with pinstriped blood?

  54. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 3 mins no sign of #rockies lowering steep price on ubaldo yet. w/ #reds only on fringe of race, #yankees best fit. #tradedeadline

    No mystery team?

  55. BTX July 28th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Please Dellin, just one 7 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 10 K start!

    Romine or whomever else is playing tonight needs to put on a good show as well

  56. Kelvin July 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Ubaldo will be a yankee just hate to see montero traded smh

  57. RayVT July 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Would you trade 1 or 2 minor prospects for Danks if you had to take Adam Dunn & his contract as well? Funny line for Dunn last night, 1 for 1 with 3 walks.

  58. Villa Nova-Ya July 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I want them all to have stinky nights!!!!

    Ha ha.

  59. heyman_sux July 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Srsly though, why are the Mariners/Phillies watching Betances pitch?

  60. kd July 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    blake,

    there’s only a mystery team if scott boras is involved and tells heyman to talk about one

  61. MTU July 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    “why are the Mariners/Phillies watching Betances pitch?”

    Because they want to know what a stud looks like.

    ;)

  62. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    So far, so good!

    1 IP, 2 Ks, no hits, no walks.

  63. kd July 28th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    maybe the yankees are trying to trade for king felix.

  64. MaineYankee July 28th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    heyman_sux July 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    Srsly though, why are the Mariners/Phillies watching Betances pitch?

    ——————————————————————————————

    Is it possible they are watching someone on the other team?

  65. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Im sure they are trying to trade for Felix……but Jack.Z wont trade the only reason anyone has to talk to him.

  66. jbranson06 July 28th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    What about Karstens? He’s having a pretty good year in Pittsburgh.

  67. kd July 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    i was joking. there’s really no way that seattle lets him go.

    that’s funny blake.

    what would you give up or king felix though? montero, betances, corban, heathcott?

  68. heyman_sux July 28th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Is it possible they are watching someone on the other team?
    ********

    Unless I’m mistaken, theyre playing the Giant’s AA team…don’t think they’re looking to trade with either Mariners/Phillies

  69. igotid88 July 28th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    No trades. Unless it’s Felix. But not for Hughes. I want two 26 year old established starting pitchers next year

  70. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    LOL Burnett

    “I’ve went five [innings] every start,” Burnett said. “Knock on wood. I’ve made strides.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6812974

  71. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Kd,

    I think it would take Montero, Betances Banuelos, Nunez, and Nova if they ever gave in and traded him……and at that price I don’t think I would do it….

  72. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Seattle watching Trenton? Memo to the Mariners. Its the AAA that we will hand to you.

  73. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    MaineYankee,

    Mariners because the Yankees have looked at Bedard.

    Phillies perhaps because of someone like Blanton, although he may be injured, I have no clue.

    Or perhaps a three team trade is in the works.

    If they Yankees can’t get Danks or Felix, no point in making a trade.

  74. Benny Blanco July 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Lgy, I said the same thing regarding dellin. Lmao!!!
    Make us proud betances. :)

  75. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    RayVT,

    The Yankees would be crazy not to be willing to take Dunn’s contract if they were able to get Danks in a deal.

    Didn’t Dunn sign a 1 year contract?

  76. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 3 Ks.

    Go Dellin!

  77. champ809 July 28th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    the Yanks should focus in on Bedard who will not cost u any of the group of Jesus, Nova, Bettances, Banuelos or Slade but rather something like Romine straightup or 1 of Warren, Phelps, Mitchell + a B level bat.

    Looking at the current construction of this roster Jesus should not only be off limits for anybody not named King Felix he should be on his way up to the BX asap….

  78. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 28th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    champ809,

    Bedard is not an upgrade over anyone in our current rotation. Period.

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    Make us proud so he can be traded away?????

  80. luis July 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Chad,

    Really good post, probably the best two posts I’ve ever read from you.

    The only trade I regret not making is Beltran’s, but not for the price of Betances.

    About the prospects traded, the one I would really want to have kept is Vizcaino, but at the time it seemed the right thing to do. Another prospect that I would have liked to keep is Melancon, I thought they never gave him the chance in PS.

  81. Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Maybe Dellin is pitching to say ‘don’t trade me, I want to do this in pinstripes!’

  82. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    3 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 3 Ks.

  83. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Dunn is in the 1st year of a 4/56 albatross…….though I do think he will probably be better next year.

  84. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Go Dellin!

  85. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    31 pitches, 22 strikes.

    Sitting 93-94, getting up to 96.

  86. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    *23 strikes*

  87. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Dellin is on the block folks. Keep Dealin Dellin’!

    Hopefully the Rockies come away impressed.

    I have no idea why the Phillies are there.

    And the Mariners have to be looking at Corban Joseph.

  88. luis July 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Chad,

    Very good post, probably your best two posts to date.

    The only trade I regret not making is Beltran’s, but not at the expense of Betances.

    The prospects I would have liked to keep is Vizcaino, but at the time seemed like the right thing to do, to a lesser degree Melancon, because I think he was never given the chance to succed in PS.

    Keep it up!

  89. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Lgy

    Thanks for the updates

  90. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    So people are rooting for Betances so the Rockies will be impressed?

  91. MTU July 28th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Where’s the damn WS scout ?

    :(

  92. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Star Ledger @Ledger_Yankees Rival exec told me earlier this week that if the Yankees were to trade a prospect, he got sense that Betances would be the one.

  93. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Betsy, yes I am. I want Ubaldo mowing down Red Sox. He owns Adrian Gonzalez. The rest of the Sox are SSS.

  94. champ809 July 28th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Mad Prince

    Assuming Bedard stays healthy he is an instant upgrade over A.J. Hughes and in fact everybody not named CC and Bartolo…

    Plus as a LHP who is very familiar with pitching in the AL East and in fact having thrived here before I’d feel better about him ( again assuming health which is the wildcard with him ) than Kuroda.

  95. blake July 28th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    In just rooting for him to pitch well

  96. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    For Bedard I’d offer offense. Seattle is desperate for it.

    Hopefully Corban Joseph plays well tonight.

    I’d offer Adam Warren + Corban Joseph + Brandon Laird for Bedard.

    The Red Sox simply can’t top that package.

  97. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Mike Ashmore @mashmore98 Betances through four: 38 pitches/29 strikes. 7 pitches/6 strikes that inning. Wow.

  98. MoRings42 July 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Kennedy wouldn’t have pitched like that here. He’s always been a great AAAA pitcher. The NL is the league for him not the AL.

  99. Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I’ve heard that Bedard is a bad clubhouse presence.

    Can anyone comment?

  100. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    4 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 3 Ks.

  101. Tar July 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I say no to Dealing Dellin, Manny or Jesus.

    Dellin is a Bronx Born kid! why does anybody want to trade him! :mad:

  102. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Blake, yeah me too. I can’t root for any Yankee/farmhand to do well just so he might be traded. Since the Rockies have no incentive to trade Jimenez, they can stand firm on whatever they’re asking for………I just don’t see them trading him.

  103. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Wrap him up.

  104. m July 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    When’s the last time Bedard actually pitched a significant stretch of games?

  105. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Nobody in baseball is saying the Rockies have “zero” incentive to trade him. They’re caught in a firestorm here with the market for pitchers being so favorable to sellers. They have zero incentive to deal him for crap or B prospects or anything less than 2-3 top prospects if that’s what you mean Betsy.

  106. The Iron Horse July 28th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    hate to be critical but shouldnt we have a post about irabu and DJ3k tongiht

  107. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    We can appreciate Betances and his potential.

    But how do the Rockies explain that?

    Sounds like they’re open to moving him, but you got to have something you can sell your fanbase on.

    Maybe they just wait until the winter. Or maybe they get something done because there’s an issue. His availability is a headscratcher for sure.

  108. Ghostwriter July 28th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Chad,

    This was a really interesting post. A natural companion piece to this post on players that we’ve shipped away in trades would be to examine the consequences of trades not made. It might be a little too soon to understand the ramifications of not completing the deal for Lee last year, but some of the other near-misses of years past would be interesting to revisit.

    For my part, I can’t think of a single trade not made that I regret. Of the players included in the above discussion, the only one that I wish we hadn’t done was shipping off Melky for Vazquez. The other deals worked out fairly well for the Yanks.

  109. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    It’s an inflated market for staring pitchers. This winter it could remain inflated or it could come down. There’s no guarantee though. Right now, inflation is guaranteed.

  110. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Brett,

    In this case maybe Betances does go. All these good pitching prospects aren’t going to end up in the Bronx.

    At some point, they’re going to cash in some chips.

  111. antisocial scrooge July 28th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    hate to be critical but shouldnt we have a post about irabu and DJ3k tongiht

    got your wish :arrow:

  112. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    This thread leads me to believe that none of the prospects are UNTOUCHABLE. Name the last prospect that we traded away thats comeback to haunt us? Cash go get us some reinforcements!

  113. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    m,

    I definitely agree. Somebody at CBS reported the Yankees took Manny off the table in the Ubaldo Jimenez negotiations…but that’s the only one. I think the Yankees are open to dealing everyone else.

  114. Betsy July 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Bret, I mean exactly what I said; I do not believe the Rockies have any interest in trading Jimenez – they are just exploring possibilities in case some sucker team caves

  115. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    As great as would be for a guy like Betances to become a MLB pitcher in the Yankee org. you gotta think that he has a better chance to do it as a Rockie.

    AJax, Melancon, Clippard etc. A lot of guys are possibly on their way to a career as an MLB player because they got traded.

  116. luis July 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Ghost,

    Very good post on your part, I agree that it would be interesting to analize those trade that were never made. Props

  117. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    I also think the Rockies want to send Jimenez far away from the National League…so that kind of favors the Yankees. That and they probably love Montero’s swing for Coors.

  118. NYY fan in NH July 28th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Ubaldo is intriguing, but will he be as consistent here in NY. I can barely take AJ’s up and down, mostly down career here so having another guy like him doesn’t qualify him as #2 starter. On the other hand, he could come here and thrive and get NY back to a WS and at a cheap cost. Giving up Dellin would be tough. He’s a dominant pitcher getting better and is from NY. Whatever happens will take a couple years to determine the grades of the trade.

  119. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    So, the Rockies do have an interest in trading Jimenez.

    If you’re a GM, and you pull stuff like this you get a bad rep in my opinion.

    If there have been any talks, if there has been any scouting by the Rockies, if there has been no “We are not trading Jimenez”, then they are open for business.

  120. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    Melky career year probably not happening in NYC with Robbie, Alex, Melky and pornstars all monkeying around.

  121. Against All Odds July 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Nick in SF July 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I’ve heard that Bedard is a bad clubhouse presence.

    Can anyone comment?

    —————————-

    Jack Curry: I remember after a start Bedard told reporters you have 10 questions and I’m done. One reporter said are you serious and Bedard replied now you’re down to 9.

  122. Pat M. July 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    By the Dellin hits the Bronx, both Derek & Mo will be starting their speech drafts for the HOF

  123. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    m,

    Yeah, they’re scouting Betances because he’s being offered along with Montero for Jimenez. That’s the base of the deal as reported by Pat M. The sticking point is the complimentary pieces. They also like Corban Joseph so they’re getting to watch him tonight as well. Same goes for Austin Romine.

  124. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Brett,

    Great thought on sending him out of the league. That’s kind of an obvious one, and you’re the first I’ve seen mention it.

    As for the consistency, etc. I predict Ubaldo will pitch fine here. We have (on most days) pretty good defense. Especially in the OF, which he might need as a flyball pitcher.

  125. LGY July 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    :arrow:

  126. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Against All Odds July 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Jack Curry: I remember after a start Bedard told reporters you have 10 questions and I’m done. One reporter said are you serious and Bedard replied now you’re down to 9.

    *********

    :lol:

  127. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    I’m not sending Romine and Montero. Let alone to the same team. I get that they would turn Montero into a 1B, but we need one of those 2 in the Bronx.

  128. Ghostwriter July 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Why did the Rox lock down Tulowitzki and Gonzalez in the offseason but not Ubaldo? What does it say that they are now looking to shop him?

  129. m July 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    GW,

    Isn’t he “locked up” for a while? No sense re-do a contract you’re in the middle of. Especially for a pitcher. Although I may be wrong as to when his contract expires.

  130. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    m,

    Maybe the Yankees think they can use Martin/Cervelli to bridge to Gary Sanchez?

    Would you prefer to trade Gary Sanchez instead of Romine?

  131. SoS July 28th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    2013

  132. Ghostwriter July 28th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    SoS July 28th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    This thread leads me to believe that none of the prospects are UNTOUCHABLE. Name the last prospect that we traded away thats comeback to haunt us? Cash go get us some reinforcements!
    =====================
    Nobody is untouchable. However, this doesn’t suggest that the Yanks should go out and make a deal. The fact that there aren’t many trades that we regret speaks well of Cashman and his willingness to forgo making a deal. How many folks torched him for not going after Santana?

  133. Ghostwriter July 28th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    m July 28th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    GW,

    Isn’t he “locked up” for a while? No sense re-do a contract you’re in the middle of. Especially for a pitcher. Although I may be wrong as to when his contract expires.
    ===============
    Tulo was locked up through 2014. There was no reason to do his either. Why Tulo and not UJ?

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    A lot of hard work on that post to get to the punch line. Nicely done.

    I must say it is interesting watching the Lohud posters for my first trading deadline here.

    I haven’t seen so many so coo-coo over stuff so over-rated since Coco-Puffs.

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